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---Logopened Mon Sep 10 00:00:43 2018
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00:24<nyoron>mnuhmnuh: because essential is not a priority, it's a separate attribute, which can be yes or no
00:24<nyoron>though it's almost never no
00:26<nyoron>info about packages available for installation is located at `/var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages`
00:27<nyoron>you can extract the list of all essential packages with: `cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | grep -e '^Package: ' -e '^Essential: yes$' | grep '^Essential: yes$' -B1 | grep '^Package: '`
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00:30<nyoron>no need for fancy frontends like aptitude
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00:42<nyoron>mnuhmnuh: idk, but it may be related to 5% being reserved for system needs (only root can use that portion)
00:42<nyoron>(417 * 1024 * 0.95 - 3922) / 1024 = 392.3
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00:43<nyoron>to change the percentage, use tune2fs, the -m option
00:44<tomg>you can tune a filesystem but you can't tunafish
00:45<nyoron>if you use that partition to store your personal files, there is no much sense to reserve any space for root
00:45<nyoron>you can safely set it to zero
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11:19<Tamarindo>Hey, hello
11:20<Tamarindo>I just run "apt-get update"; and "apt-get dist upgrade" for upgrading my debian 9 system
11:21<Tamarindo>And I just found that firefox updated to 60.2.0esr
11:22<Tamarindo>Is there a way to know when (exact date and time) this package began to be available?
11:22<arto>Tamarindo: I think it was last saturday, not many day ago anyway
11:23<petn-randall>Tamarindo: You can check that on the package tracker, but it was recent (IIRC yesterday).
11:23<Tamarindo>I see; thank you
11:23<petn-randall>Tamarindo: Firefox 52 ESR has reached its end of life, so then newest ESR was uploaded to stable.
11:24<Tamarindo>I was looking here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr
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11:24<Tamarindo>But I can't find the date and time when the package was added by the debian team
11:26<Tamarindo>Well, if it was yesterday I undertand some things
11:26<Tamarindo>Thank you guys!
11:26<petn-randall>Tamarindo: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr
11:26<petn-randall>Tamarindo: It's a bit verbose, but under "news" you will see: [2018-09-07] Accepted firefox-esr 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 (source) into stable->embargoed, stable (Mike Hommey)
11:27<petn-randall>So it was uploaded on Friday, probably took until Saturday to build and sync to all mirrors.
11:27<Tamarindo>Oh, i didn't know that
11:27<Tamarindo>Thank you a lot :)
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17:30<sicelo>something a bit odd here: http://paste.debian.net/1041724/
17:31<sicelo>this machine has 4 network interfaces, but lspci only see 3 now. the odd thing is - the 4th one worked when i setup the machine (few minutes ago, via tftp). i have no idea why it's completely 'disappeared'
17:31<sicelo>any ideas?
17:33<sicelo>for completeness, Linux zenith 4.9.0-7-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) i686 GNU/Linux
17:33<sicelo>root@zenith:~# cat /etc/debian_version
17:33<sicelo>9.5
17:34<sicelo>the 4th nic is the one i used when installing :-/
17:36<ach>!lspci
17:36<dpkg>well, lspci is a utility to display information about PCI buses in the system and their connected devices, provided by the pciutils package. Ask me about <lspci -k>, <pciids>, <pciid> or <hcl>. Use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to match pciids to devices for the latest kernel.
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17:38<sicelo>i think i might know now what happened. seems the BIOS on the machine has weird pxe boot settings. i disabled pxe after the install, and perhaps this somehow diabled the entire nic
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17:41<sicelo>solved
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21:59<ppc64>is is not possible to de-install ( purge ) java from a Debian system? I try to apt-get purge openjdk-10-jre-headless and automatically openjdk-8-jre-headless gets installed. Try to deinstall that and I get openjdk-10-jre-headless thrown back at me
22:00<bremner>ppc64: if you have aptitude installed, run aptitude why openjdk-10-jre-headless
22:00<dvs>ppc64, probably not. There's bound to be some dependency on it.
22:00<bremner>basically something you have installed depends on it
22:02<ppc64>well the real problem is that I have software to install which demands Oracle JAVA JDK and thus I seem to be stuck mangling symlinks in places like /etc/alternatives/java
22:03<ppc64>I can manually do the unlink and then re-create symlinks to the actual /usr/jdk/latest/bin/foo stuff
22:03<ppc64>however that will bork up future stuff
22:04<dvs>ppc64, how about "update-java-alternatives" ?
22:04<ppc64>what is update-java-alternatives ?
22:05<ppc64>hrmmm update-java-alternatives: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable
22:07<ppc64>looks like a script to do what it says it does .. I will manually unlink the stuff in /usr/bin that has anything to do with java and then recreate the symlinks to point to /usr/jdk/latest/bin/java etc etc .. not elegant but works
22:08<ppc64>this is for Atlassian Jira which needs some funky requirements like MySQL and not MariahDB and only MySQL 5.6 at the most
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22:36<twb>I'm doing this: debsecan --only-fixed --suite=stretch --status=<(cat images/*/dpkg.status)
22:36<twb>...but because several images have the same package installed, debsecan output contains duplicates
22:37<twb>I can solve that by shoving it through |sort -u, but I'd rather reduce debsecan's workload by de-duplicating the merged dpkg.status files
22:37<twb>This is /var/lib/dpkg/status I'm talking about
22:38<twb>I guess this devolves to "what tools can manipulate debian rfc822-like files?"
22:38<twb>!deb822
22:39<twb>python3-debian looks like the least wrong option...
22:40<ach>!o
22:40<dpkg>rumour has it, o is OH!
22:41<twb>Bleh, this is going to end up being at least five lines of code
22:43<twb>debian.deb822.Sources(itertools.chain(open(p) for p in glob.glob('/srv/netboot/images/*/dpkg.status'))) ===> TypeError: bytes or unicode/string required, not <class '_io.TextIOWrapper'>
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22:44<twb>Yeah sod this. I probably need to ensure there's a blank line between cat'ed dpkg.status files, though
22:47<twb>Apparently not
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23:08<ach>!o
23:08<dpkg>o is, like, OH!
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23:16<twb>http://ix.io/1mrA --- good enough for government work
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