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07:30<nyoron>is there something like apt-file search, but for source packages?
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07:32<bremner>nyoron: afaik only a web based one, sources.debian.org
07:34<arto>I neither know any program for source-package search
07:35<arto>but if there is source, there is binary package in almost any case
07:37<bremner>arto: yes, but how does that help find the files in the source package?
07:37<bremner>in some simple cases like pure python packages, it works, but otherwise...
07:38<arto>bremner: never mind, maybe I was carried too far when I was thinking
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09:00<k-man>i've been having issues with bluetooth. i connect my headset and it says its connected, but pulse audio mixer doesnt give me the headest as an output i can select
09:03<k-man>how do i restart pulse adio in stretch?
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09:04<FLD>k-man: check dmesg / syslog for errors
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09:07<k-man>i can't see aything obvious - except if I do pulseaudio --kill, in syslog I see Sep 16 23:06:19 sage pulseaudio[23092]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
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09:08<k-man>which seems a little odd
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09:13<FLD>do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed?
09:17<k-man>yes
09:18<k-man>I've had bluetooth working they other day. i'm not sure why it has stopped now
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11:16<lomig>Hi, I own a laptop that seems to loose too much power while in suspend state, any idea on how to troubleshoot this ?
11:21<arto>lomig: perhaps time to get a new battery
11:21<arto>or what I they called
11:22<lomig>arto: it's alsmot a new laptop
11:22<arto>anyway, they have limtid amount of recharge cycles
11:22<arto>lomig: oh, that's interesting
11:23<lomig>the battery capacity is good but for example upower tells me it lost 1.400 Wh in 40min while in suspend mode
11:24<arto>lomig: suspend or hibernate?
11:24<arto>lomig: hibernate is deep freeze, writes mem to swap, and powers off
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11:25<arto>lomig: are there any leds on while in suspend?
11:25<lomig>arto: STR, since it's an ultrabook, I expect it to be power efficient
11:26<lomig>arto: it seems to loose more power in suspend to ram than while being awaken
11:26<arto>lomig: long ago I had a Sharp Zaurus running Debian, one kernel consumed battery when if was off, but I don't think this is the same
11:27<arto>lomig: wow, that's a problem
11:27<arto>lomig: suspend to ram is suspend, power is on
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11:28<arto>sorry, when suspending to ram, power is on
11:28<lomig>arto: though it should be only RAM which is powered
11:28<arto>lomig: computers don't work that way, if RAM is powered, then quite a lot else
11:29<lomig>arto: I know but a latest gen ultrabook processor with LPDDR should be more efficient in S3 state that a 6th gen laptop in suspend mode, no ?
11:30<arto>lomig: the idea is that it will wake up quickly, when powered
11:30<arto>lomig: you should seek S4 I think
11:31<arto>lomig: maybe you need some nonfree firmware
11:31<lomig>arto: any idea on how to achieve this ?
11:31<lomig>arto: that could be a nonfree firmware thing, though many ultrabooks nowadays share the same architecture
11:32<arto>lomig: if UEFI has settings, wich modes S3/S4 are enabled
11:32<lomig>arto: a way to check this without rebooting ?
11:33<arto>lomig: I own only older computers wich have bios, and I can't go to bios without rebooting
11:34<arto>lomig: same has been in all uefi pc's I've used
11:34<lomig>arto: maybe uefi settings could be reached through some interfaces, dunno ;)
11:34<lomig>ok
11:34<arto>lomig: I have no info of that, might be
11:34<lomig>arto: well let me check this then ;)
11:35<arto>lomig: sure
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11:47<lomig>arto: no option to know anything about S3 / S4 in the uefi bios
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11:49<arto>lomig: ouch, maybe firmware then, what is make and model of your laptop?
11:51<lomig>arto: Asus Zenbook Deluxe 3, should be the latest firmware available
11:52<danopa>lomig: it is considered a bit rude to cross post here and at #debian on freenode
11:53<arto>lomig: intel chipset?
11:54<arto>danopa: I think no one would know if did not tell
11:54<danopa>heh
11:54<danopa>doesn't make it any less rude
11:55<arto>lomic: Fedora and Ubuntu seem to work, but did found nothing on suspend
11:56<arto>lomic: paste dmesg to paste.debian.net
11:56<lomig>danopa: did not know it was, since ppl on each are not the same
11:57<danopa>lomig: now you do ;)
11:57<lomig>arto: Intel chipset yes
11:57<danopa>lomig: mostly the same people most of the time, anyway
11:57<lomig>danopa: would it be rude to ask why ? 1100 ppl on freenode, 350 there
11:58<danopa>lomig: irc rules. asking two groups is a waste of time for at least one of the groups, if not both
11:58<arto>lomig: do you have intel-microcode installed?
11:58<at0m>^
11:59<lomig>arto: not sure, installed some intel wifi firmware but probably nothing about microcode
12:00<arto>lomig: aptitude search intel
12:01<lomig>arto: ok got it intel-microcode
12:01<lomig>arto: could be a good start
12:01<arto>lomig: might be
12:08<arto>lomig: now you need to test, if you need more help, come here, or try forums.debian.net
12:09<lomig>arto: thanks, i'm testing this and i'll give u some feedbacks
12:10<arto>lomig: good plan
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12:46<nightshift>How safe are unofficial/third party repos?
12:47<bremner>that's like asking "how safe is software"?
12:47<danopa>nightshift: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
12:48<nightshift>I'm specifically looking at sury (for php 7.2) and blobfolio for the associate phpmyadmin
12:50<arto>nightshift: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian that might worth reading
12:50<nightshift>Working on it
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12:50<danopa>pretty simple concept ;)
12:51<arto>nightshift: F-secures research boss Mikko Hyppönen has said, whatever you do, don't touch php :)
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12:52<arto>sorry danopa, you said it first
12:52<danopa>arto: worth saying again ;)
12:53<arto>danopa: I agree (,
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12:53<bremner>please try to keep in mind this is a support channel, not a nerd-ranting channel.
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13:27<nightshift>So, I checked the backported packages, and it looks like what I need isn't available there either.
13:28<arto>nightshift: then i suggest take backup of all important, download just what you need from 3rd party repo
13:30<nightshift>thank you arto, good news is, I'm on a fresh install.
13:30<arto>nightshift:sounds good
13:31<nightshift>quite a bit of work to do now. thanks again
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13:32<arto>nightshift: no problem, and might be while take notes, what you do
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16:11<onryo>Did "something" happen to firefox-esr. My plugins are gone. Think it happened after the last upgrade. I am on stable.
16:15<onryo>Looking at "apt changelog firefox-esr" I see something on about a 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 but not sure that would do it.
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16:42<onryo>back from a reboot. Nope seems something has changed in firefox-esr. NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere are no longer supported.
16:43<onryo>what happened?
16:43<onryo>Debian 9 GNU/Linux stable.
16:43<bremner>onryo: mozilla.org no longer provides security support for firefox 52,
16:44<onryo>fair enough. That mean we are now using rust =)
16:44<bremner>yes, and a different kind of extension
16:44<bremner>anything with xul in it's name is dead
16:44<nyoron>onryo: both NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere are supported, but you need to update them
16:45<onryo>they in bpo ?
16:45<onryo>nyoron, are they in the repos?
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16:49<Sagi>I'm having problems succesfully using dropbear-initramfs to decrypt root on boot remotely. I can ssh in, cryptunlock_root complains about a askpass timeout. Yet I can manually decrypt the root using cryptsetup luksOpen. I think I could even manually boot, if I would know how to proceed in the normal boot sequence.
16:50<Sagi>Can someone knowledgeable about initramfs point me to a resource explaining where I should mount the new root and/or how to proceed on a normal boot?
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16:53<Sagi>I can't seem to find what I'm looking for in the man pages included with initramfs-tools, nor in the various initramfs-related pages on the debian wiki.
16:57<nyoron>onryo: I'm not sure
16:57<nyoron>they may be
16:57<nyoron>if they are not, you can install them from addons.mozilla.org
16:58<onryo>nyoron, working on them in pbuilder now =P
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16:58<onryo>Sagi, you can see what is what like this
16:58<onryo>mkdir tmp/initramfs
16:58<onryo>cd tmp/initramfs
16:58<onryo>gunzip -c -9 /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -i -d -H newc --no-absolute-filenames
16:59<onryo>Sagi, wondering if it is not a permissions issue you have.
16:59<Sagi>might well be
16:59<Sagi>this is a debootstrapped system, I might have messed something up
17:00<Sagi>any obvious ones I should be on the look out for?
17:02<onryo>Sagi, Doing stuff like that normally requires root. Might be you are not able to ssh in as root
17:02<Sagi>I'm in as root
17:02<Sagi>in the initramfs stage, that's what dropbear-initramfs provides.
17:03<Sagi>there's the cryptroot-unlock command, which exits complaining 'Error: Timeout reached while waiting for askpass.'
17:03<onryo>Sagi, You could try testing in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount with a script?
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17:10<Sagi>not sure if I understand your suggestion
17:11<Sagi>I'm trying to understand the controlflow of the initramfs stage of the boot process, because somehow I'm stuck half way.
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17:17<onryo>Sagi, on the phone with my wifes mother. Give me about 15min... she is a real yacker!
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17:32<Sagi>ah, I fixed it. /etc/fstab had quotes after the UUID= surrounding the actual UUID, from the copy/paste output of blkid. That tripped it up somehow.
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17:39<Sagi>thanks for thinking along onryo!
17:39<Sagi>afk, my son just woke up.
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17:44<onryo>Sagi, zomg... that lady can talk your ears off @.@ Did you get it sorted?
17:45<onryo>Sagi, ah see above. Yes having a working fstab is prolly a good idea =)
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18:06<ejr>hi. i have recently upgraded to debian 9 from 8, and notice that my system is slower now than it was before. i also used a 32 bit version before, now 64 bit (which is supported). still debian seems to be slower. what could be the reason for this?
18:06<ejr>when i check for cpu-consuming processes with htop i find none
18:07<ejr>particularly when i copy files via usb devices it is extremely slow, much more than before
18:07<ejr>but also during e.g. installations
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