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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-09-20

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07:02<simula>So /usr/bin/info isn't a standard system utility?
07:03<simula>I would have thought that the default tasksel selections would install it
07:03<simula>Or did we move on to a better tool for viewing GNU documentation?
07:04<bremner>it's in the package info
07:04<simula>I know, I just thought it came standard with Debian
07:04<simula>I don't ever recall having to install it before
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07:05<bremner>it's priority optional, so something would have to recommend it
07:05<bremner>or depend on it.
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07:05<simula>Strange
07:06<bremner>only if you think that info won the documentation format war
07:06<bremner>or that Debian is a GNU project
07:06<simula>Plenty of GNU manpages whine that the full doc is in info
07:06<bremner>yes.
07:06<simula>I don't personally have a preference
07:07<simula>I was just surprised that "standard system utilities" didn't install it
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07:10<bremner>iirc debian policy prefers manpages to info pages
07:10<bremner>or at least it specifically mentions that every binary should have a man page
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07:22<facelessloser>hi im having problem with my fresh install of debian 9 on thinkpad x220, I added my user to group dialout. After doing this when I got to log back in it hangs at "failed to start light display manager"
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07:26<jm_>anything more in logs?
07:27<facelessloser>ive wiped my system since it happened
07:28<jm_>so you don't have the problem anymore?
07:28<facelessloser>i need to add my user to dialout group to use arduino IDE, I havent installed it yet
07:29<jm_>maybe come back when you have the problem so it can be examined further
07:30<facelessloser>ok Ill have to install it when log into irc from phone
07:30<facelessloser>thanks
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10:08<znoteer>anyone know a service like paste.debian.net, except for posting screenshots instead of textual output?
10:08<petn-randall>!paste
10:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
10:08<petn-randall>znoteer: It has two suggestions here ^^^
10:08<znoteer>petn-randall and dpkg: thanks!
10:10<chaos>fuse_common.h:33:2: error: #error Please add -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 <-- how do i fix that?
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10:19<itd>dpkg: xy
10:19<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
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10:23<petn-randall>chaos: You need to add a lot of context for us to be able to answer that.
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11:22<tansly[m]><_oftc_chaos "fuse_common.h:33:2: error: #erro"> What are you trying to compile? You are trying to compile a program that uses libfuse, right?
11:28<tansly[m]>You are most likely missing the proper cflags and ldflags. Use pkg-config to get the proper flags.
11:28<tansly[m]>That's all I can say, it's not possible to provide detailed help unless you give some context.
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12:17<nyov>what's the max password length for nickserv? anyone? :D
12:22<jhutchins_wk>nyov: #oftc
12:22<nyov>jhutchins_wk: yessir
12:23<annadane>except i just asked that in order to answer here
12:23<annadane>so actually don't do that :P
12:23<annadane>(they haven't replied yet)
12:24<annadane>aaaand never mind.
12:24<annadane>sorry i probably should have mentioned i already asked
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12:47<nyov>okay. I didn't know. thank you for askin annadane
12:47<nyov>~400 chars :D
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18:01<s_20>hi! i couldn't find any quick information on it, but can someone tell me why the mariadb version in debian (also testing and sid) is rather old?
18:04<annadane>for debian stable it's because stable means unchanging
18:04<annadane>i can't speak to testing/sid but either contact the maintainer or ask in #debian-next
18:04<s_20>..yes, i know
18:10<annadane>debian isn't true rolling, it's possible that if they don't deem it necessary they won't upload it to sid
18:10<annadane>("they" being the maintainer)
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19:04<at0m>,v mariadb
19:04<judd>No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64.
19:05<at0m>,v mariadb-serve
19:05<at0m>,v mariadb-server
19:05<judd>No package named 'mariadb-serve' was found in amd64.
19:05<judd>Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2; sid: 1:10.1.29-6; buster: 1:10.1.35-1; sid:
19:05<judd>1:10.1.35-1
19:05<at0m>hmm no bpo
19:06<at0m>and buster has a newer version than sid
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19:40<mnuhmnuh>besides, what's wrong with old? would you prefer to run the least, or most, tested version?
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