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00:23<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1 broken.
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00:36<nyov>oh no, you broke the internet :(
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00:49<mnuhmnuh>it's been like that since i complained about svga to dpkg.
00:50<mnuhmnuh>it's huffy.
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06:49<Cerebral>Hello.
06:49<Cerebral>Are Stretch .onion repos down atm?
06:49<Cerebral>Or is there a wa yto check?
06:50<Kemopan>is it possible to get repos thru tor? o_o
06:50<Cerebral>Of course.
06:50<at0m>Cerebral: telling from last days reports, some are down indeed
06:50<at0m>havent checked myself
06:50<Kemopan>neat, I should try it o_o
06:51<Cerebral>Damn.I guess maintenance?
06:52<at0m>https://blog.torproject.org/tor-heart-apt-transport-tor-and-debian-onions
06:52<at0m>Kemopan: ^
06:52<Kemopan>thanks
06:52<Cerebral>at0m: How to test?nslookup and shit?
06:52<at0m>tbh i dont see why .onion for debian repo's, since the server nor its location is secret
06:53<at0m>Cerebral: no shit
06:54<Cerebral>at0m: I asked lol
06:54<at0m>using tor to the http d.o repo's yields same result - and if it's for security concerns over no https, .deb's are signed so can be gotten from untrusted sources - long as they're signed
06:54<at0m>using debian trusted keys, ofc
06:55<at0m>Cerebral: you can always just use your (tor)browser and visit the onion to try. it's just http so..
06:56<at0m>and no, nslookup will not give you the IP of an .onion
06:56<Cerebral>Ah right yeah.Kudos
06:56<Cerebral> Not the IP just to see if it works
06:58<Cerebral>BTW onion repos give in fact a better security or anonymity
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06:58<at0m>care to elaborate?
06:58<Cerebral>A user cannot be uniquely targeted for malicious updates
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06:59<at0m>you would get the same using normal debian repo's over tor
06:59<at0m>no need for .onion there
06:59<Cerebral>The package repo or observers watching cannot track what programms are instaalled
06:59<at0m>same for apt over tor, no need for .onion there either
06:59<Cerebral>The ISP cannot easily learn what packages are fetched
06:59<at0m>same for apt over tor, no need for .onion there either
07:00<Cerebral>E2E auth and encryption provides protection against MITM attacks
07:00<at0m>so does package signing
07:00<Cerebral>I disagree
07:02<at0m>put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf and send any apt via polipo over tor. Acquire::http::Proxy "http://$polipoIP:8118";
07:03<Cerebral>Why not just use offficial onion repos from Debian?
07:03<at0m>cos they seem to be down lately
07:03<at0m>package signing is there to remove the trust responsability from the mirror
07:04<Cerebral>Yeah they are down.
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07:07<Cerebral>I dont like polipo
07:08<Cerebral>And i am on Whonix so i dont think it wikl work that well
07:08<at0m>then use any other socks to http proxy
07:08<Cerebral>IDK something seems weird
07:08<at0m>whonix? talk to the whonix folks eh
07:09<Cerebral>Yeah lol
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07:28<tomg>eh!
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11:22<mceier>should hibernating work with full disk encryption and lvm ? when I try to suspend/hibernate (with resume kernel parameter pointing to lvm swap volume) the screen goes black and I can only force-power off the laptop
11:22<mceier>on my 2 other laptops and desktop without lvm and encryption it works as expected
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16:41<nyoron>what's up with the Debian onion repos?
16:43<at0m>nyoron: haven't tried, but you're not the first to ask
16:43<nyoron>Cerebral asked that 10 hours ago
16:43<nyoron>where can I contact the person responsible for maintaining them?
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16:45<nyoron>long and unannounced downtime is not fun
16:45<at0m>https://onion.debian.org/ has a name at the bottom. a websearch leads to his personal website.
16:46<localhorst>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909355
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16:48<nyoron>at0m, localhorst: I see, thanks
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17:11<nyoron>sent him an email
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17:15<at0m>nyoron: telling from the bugreport, i'm guessing the onions won't be back till onionbalance works with tor again (in their respective versions)
17:26<nyoron>> It's something to do with tor 0.3.4.x and onionbalance. My colleages are looking into it. I'm traveling this week and not really around to check on things.
17:27<nyoron>he replied quite fast
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19:16<sqrt{not}>nyoron: I see today a new onionbalance in stretch backports
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19:53<nyoron>sqrt{not}: cool
19:53<nyoron>let's hope they fix it soon
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20:20<nyoron>can I make apt fail quicker?
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20:20<nyoron>i.e. after the first network error
20:22<petn-randall>nyoron: what issue are you trying to resolve?
20:23<nyoron>right now, when I do apt source package, it first tries to fetch .dsc, times out, then it tries to download .tar, times out, etc.
20:23<nyoron>petn-randall: I just want to periodically check if the onion mirrors are up
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20:24<nyoron>and I want every check to be as fast as possible
20:25<at0m>nyoron: you can use any other tool to check - it's a http server.
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20:25<at0m>or, better, a link to it
20:25<nyoron>at0m: yeah, probably
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20:26<nyoron>but it's easier for me to check automatically the same way I check manually
20:26<nyoron>I usually notice the first network error and ^C
20:26<nyoron>apt failing quicker can be useful in other situations
20:26<nyoron>so I'm still curious
20:31<petn-randall>nyoron: 'man 5 apt.conf', then grep for timeout.
20:32<abrotman>Wouldn't it be easier to fix it?
20:34<petn-randall>abrotman: the official onion Debian repo is currently down.
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20:36<nyoron>petn-randall: 'man apt-transport-http.1' is more relevant
20:37<nyoron>I added '-o Acquire::http::Timeout=1', it times out faster, but still tries to download other files after the first timeout
20:37<abrotman>petn-randall: so change repos?
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20:39<nyoron>and because Tor is slow, 1 second (or any other smaller number) may be not enough to detect a real failure
20:41<nyoron>abrotman: I'm not trying to solve a real issue
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20:41<nyoron>I'm just trying to figure out if I can make my script more efficient
20:41<nyoron>i.e. make it fail faster
20:41<nyoron>apparently, I can't
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20:45<Synthea^>How can I share files with a basic http server (no config, something like >put the file URI in the process >http://localhost:port >list of files shared)?
20:49<petn-randall>abrotman: you probably meant nyoron.
20:53<nyoron>Synthea^: python3 -m http.server
20:53<nyoron>shares your current dir
20:57<nyoron>if you want, you can create a bunch of symlinks in a dir and share that
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21:16<nyoron>mceier: it should work
21:17<nyoron>describe your setup in more detail
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21:46<nyoron>the onion repos are up
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