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07:56<DNS>i have a problem that SA doesnt scan messages after migratin my server (debian 9), and i am a bit lost where to look at... i get always "SA: Action: SA didn't successfully run against message" ... i installed spamassassin fetchmail sa-exim... got in my sa.exim.conf # SAEximRunCond: 0 and the systemd service is runnin ct 01 12:38:26 proper.host spamd[23026]: spamd: setuid to Debian-exim succeeded
07:56<DNS>any ideas?
07:59<guardian>hello, I want users to be added to a group by PAM. To that extent, I edited /etc/security/group.conf
07:59<guardian>now, is there a way to use pam-auth-update so that "auth optional pam_group.so" get added to common-auth or login?
07:59<guardian>I never know if I should do that manually or use a command
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08:03<guardian>in fact I'm surprised this directive is not in /etc/pam.d/sshd while it is in /etc/pam.d/login
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08:48<alfred_mains>hey guys, quick one for you
08:48<alfred_mains>if i have a version of software installed from repository on my system... would using a PPA conflict with that? would i need to remove the repository version first
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08:49<itd>dpkg: dontbreakdebian
08:49<dpkg>methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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08:52<alfred_mains>that is great advice that i would usually fully adhere to
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08:53<alfred_mains>but i need a particular package later version than is in repositories
08:53<itd>alfred_mains: name?
08:54<itd>(and version you need)
08:54<alfred_mains>nvidia-driver :)
08:54<alfred_mains>late as possible
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08:55<itd>alfred_mains: How about stretch-backport?
08:56<alfred_mains>has version 3.90
08:56<alfred_mains>PPA has version 3.96
08:56<itd>judd: versions nvidia-driver
08:56<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.87-2; sid/non-free: 390.87-2; experimental/non-free: 396.54-1
08:57<alfred_mains>experimental non free huh
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08:57<towo^work>alfred_mains, this PPA is fopr ubuntu, not debian
08:57<alfred_mains>my understanding was it would work because ubuntu is debian based... is that not the case?
08:57<towo^work>no
08:57<alfred_mains>gutted
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08:58<towo^work>the packaging is absolute different to the debian packaging
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08:58<alfred_mains>ok
08:58<alfred_mains>if i enable experimental, can i pull in 396 from debian repo?
08:58<alfred_mains>i only want experimental for that one package though
08:58<itd>alfred_mains: Don't enable experimental
08:58<alfred_mains>ok
08:58<DNS>this can break your whole system
08:59<itd>alfred_mains: Read the "Don't break Debian"-wiki page.
09:00<itd>alfred_mains: This sounds like "Shiny New Stuff Syndrome". Why do you need that new version?
09:01<alfred_mains>normally i am absolutely fine with older software. but in the case of this, i mainly installed debian to try getting into steam proton gaming and i believe the latest graphic drivers have performance difference
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09:11<QnA>wow
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09:13<QnA>my other pc is running debian
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09:17<QnA>must be nap time @ debian
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09:17<alfred_mains>it is nap time
09:17<dreamer>is your pc sleeping?
09:17<dreamer>it's always naptime
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09:24<alfred_mains>well guys ive been a naughty boy and didnt listen
09:24<alfred_mains>enabled experimental and 396 is working with a noticeable performance boost
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09:35<DNS>alfred_mains: if some libs (dependencies) where installed this still can break your system
09:35<alfred_mains>i am sure you are right
09:36<DNS>but sometimes everybody needs to make mistakes to learn from it ;D
09:36<alfred_mains>it is a fresh install i am experimenting, if something does break i will reinstall with lesson learned
09:36<DNS>hehe:)
09:36<alfred_mains>nothing important on here i will lose. thanks for the warning though! safety first
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09:37<itd>alfred_mains: Also monitor backports. 396 seems to be "short lived", 390 "long lived". Whenever the next "long lived" (whatever that means) release appears, I'm guessing it'll appear in backports "soon".
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09:38<alfred_mains>ok, will do!
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09:38<alfred_mains>what do you guys think of steam proton
09:38<alfred_mains>it's very exciting imho
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09:48<arto>!chat
09:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
09:49<alfred_mains>fair enough
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10:19<DNS>what can be the cause of "SA: Action: Not running SA because SAEximRunCond expanded to false"?
10:20<DNS>if spamassassin is running
10:20<DNS>sorry
10:20<DNS>i mean "SA: Action: SA didn't successfully run against message, accepting"
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10:25<DNS>i wish i could see better error msgs somewhere >_>
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11:05<melvin>I'm looking for a good backup program for debian to do incremental backups
11:08<madonius>melvin: I can recomment borg
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11:08<madonius>Packagename: borgbackup
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11:45<melvin>madonius: Thanks
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11:58<egy>Hello debian users, I've just switched to debian from Ubuntu and I am liking its speed so far. There's, however, a sensor driver that is not included (isn't shipped with) debian.
11:59<egy>I'd like to know if there's a debian repository for hardware drivers/sensors
12:02<Nemoder>unless it's specialty hardware that's usually solved by updating the kernel
12:03<Nemoder>and some firmware is in non-free though I'm not sure if that would effect sensors
12:04<cc>it might
12:04<madonius>what sensor would that be egy ?
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12:15<egy>madonius: thanks for your quick answer. It's supposed to be my fan controller via pulse-width modulation (PWM). I use `pwmconfig` to generate a config file for the `fancontrol` utility, however, no sensors are found
12:16<egy>I ran `sensors-detect` but no such package exist (it exists on ubuntu)
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12:17<jhutchins_wk>egy: You have to install it.
12:17<blast007>the sensors-detect program is part of the lm-sensors package
12:17<jhutchins_wk>!sensors
12:17<dpkg>lm_sensors (Linux-monitoring sensors) is a hardware health monitoring package for CPU temperature, fan speed, etc. Packaged for Debian as lm-sensors. http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.lm-sensors.org/ #linux-sensors on irc.freenode.net.
12:19<egy>oh, thanks for the reminder. I have lm-sensors already installed (version 1:3.4.4)
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12:19<egy>I only have `sensors` and `sensors-conf-convert`, am I missing something
12:19<egy>?
12:21<blast007>those would be the only two in the path of a normal user. root would have sensors-detect in their path.
12:21<Nemoder>egy: since it needs full permissions to run it is installed in /usr/sbin/ which by defualt is only in root path, not user
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12:23<egy>ah, I see. This wasn't apparent for me enough. Thank you all! I am running `sensors-detect` now
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12:27<egy>Thank you again, finally my fan is less noisy
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12:49<jhutchins_wk>Yay!
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13:48<Knaldgas>Hmm, installed some packages to support an industrial USB camera, then uninstalled them, and now videos on Facebook cannot play in browser, youtube works fine. I played the very same video on FB some days ago on the same machine, but now it wont.
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13:49<Knaldgas>Firefox complains (in console): The video on this page can’t be played. Your system may not have the required video codecs for: video/mp4; codecs="avc1.4D401E", video/mp4;
13:49<petn-randall>Knaldgas: How did you install them?
13:49<Knaldgas>I guess the installation and uninstallation has broken something. How can I get videos to work again in Firefox?
13:49<Knaldgas>petn-randall, aptitude
13:50<Knaldgas>and purge through aptitude
13:50<Knaldgas>I checked which packages was installed in apt/history.log
13:50<Knaldgas>then purged them
13:50<blast007>were they packages provided by Debian, or from some third party repository? what packages did you remove?
13:51<Knaldgas>All from debian repo
13:51<petn-randall>Knaldgas: What blast007 said. Can you provide the last few entries from /var/log/apt/history.log that include the installation?
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13:51<Knaldgas>https://pastebin.com/ndXs4Gm5
13:52<Knaldgas>Ahh include the installation, sec...
13:53<Knaldgas>This is the installation, and uninstallation: https://pastebin.com/AdRVt1gx
13:55<Knaldgas>blast007, http://www.deb-multimedia.org is also in the sources.list
13:56<Knaldgas>vlc seems to work fine, youtube in firefox also works fine.
13:57<mnuhmnuh>don't need or want http://www.deb-multimedia.org
13:57<mnuhmnuh>according to some.
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13:58<petn-randall>!deb-multimedia
13:58<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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13:59<Knaldgas>petn-randall, so you will recommend just removing packages from this repo (and remove it from sources)?
13:59<petn-randall>Knaldgas: I'm guessing you either removed a different set of packages than you installed, *or* you have a combination of deb-multimedia and stock Debian packages that don't work together.
14:00<petn-randall>Knaldgas: Yes, I recommend not using deb-multimedia. It had its purpose in the past, but it's not really needed nowadays.
14:00<blast007>for whatever software you were compiling for your industrial USB camera, did that at any point involve a 'make install'?
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14:01<Knaldgas>blast007, yes it did, and I ran make uninstall. I then ran "find . -mmin '-120' -delete" (or something close
14:02<blast007>it's possible that process overwrote or removed something important as well. hard to say.
14:02<Knaldgas>Yeah...
14:03<mnuhmnuh>where are, or are, the messages managed by libnotify after the reporting mini-window disappears? gone? are they recorded anywhere?
14:04<petn-randall>Knaldgas: What? If you really ran "find . -mmin '-120' -delete" that would have killed a lot on your system.
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14:04<petn-randall>Knaldgas: If in doubt, you can use debsums to verify if any binaries got overwritten that shouldn't have been.
14:05<Knaldgas>petn-randall, I checked the find output before running with delete. It was only something related to the package installed with make install
14:06<Knaldgas>Can I deduct anything relevant from the fact that Facebook videos wont lay, but Youtubes will?
14:06<Knaldgas>s/lay/play/
14:09<blast007>youtube might be using WebM (VP8/VP9) instead of MP4
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14:11<Knaldgas>blast007, I just downloaded the video from the FB link, and it plays fine with vlc
14:11<Knaldgas>Using youtube-dl
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14:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:22<mnuhmnuh>thankyou thomas schmidtt for sorting out https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd - good to have definitive answer.
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16:26<innominatus>Hello everyone! Just testing IRC :)
16:27<juko>hi , me too im testing IRC
16:27<juko>:D
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16:28<petn-randall>Congrats to the Kali users ;)
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16:31<innominatus>I don't know if there is anyone here who is interested in programming, but I am learning how to code and I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with raspberry pi. I am looking for a cheap system just to run linux with nano and g++. Is raspberry pi a viable option to have some fun with learning to code?
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16:34<petn-randall>innominatus: Sure, though if you want to build larger existing projects, you'll run out of power quickly.
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16:35<petn-randall>innominatus: Except for that the RPi is a nice platform to get your feet wet.
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17:13<mnuhmnuh>there's a page on the wiki flatly dis recommending pi. other options are better.
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17:23<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
17:24<mnuhmnuh>not the same page, but good place to start.
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17:26<petn-randall>IIRC most issues are resolved with the current RPi3.
17:26<mnuhmnuh>search for Unsuitable --> https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware?action=show&redirect=FreedomBox%2FTargetedHardware
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17:44<mnuhmnuh>reading through that, i'd go with Intel DE3815TYKHE, $160. much better (8gb ram, 4gb sata, wifi, enet), a bit more than twice the price, but well worth it.
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17:48<mnuhmnuh>discontinued, of course.
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17:53<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: It's not really the same price league. A RPi3 is ~35$, a Pi Zero < 10$.
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17:55<mnuhmnuh>aii. yeah, i'm not seeing prices like that in what i read.
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>search https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi?highlight=%28rpi%29 for "A number of similar boards are available, generally at slightly higher prices", 1st in list is $35.
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18:09<mnuhmnuh>jeebus, that ODROID-XU4 is gorgeous. i'll take three.
18:10<mnuhmnuh>We guarantee the production of XU4 to year 2020, but expect to continue production long after.
18:14<mnuhmnuh>spoke too soon, i'll take three https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/iMX233-OLinuXino-MINI/
18:14<mnuhmnuh>24 eu.
18:16<mnuhmnuh>30 w wifi.
18:18<mnuhmnuh>64 mbram, er, no.
18:23<mnuhmnuh>jeebus, that ODROID-XU4 is gorgeous.
18:23<mnuhmnuh>just sayin'
18:30<mnuhmnuh>$59. still reasonable.
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