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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-05

---Logopened Fri Oct 05 00:00:11 2018
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00:52<s988g696>hi
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00:59<s988g696>hi
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02:16<melvin>I just installed a fresh copy of Stretch and my /dev/sd0 is owned by root at boot. How do I make the owner myself?
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02:19<itd>man chown; why would you want to do that?
02:23<jm_>melvin: probably best not to mess with the owner, also what is /dev/sd0? in debian disks are usually root:disk, so if you think that's smart to do, add yourself to group disk
02:24<melvin>jm: Thanks, I'll try that...
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02:40<melvin>jm: When I insert an SD card the owner becomes root and I can't access files or create directories...I added myself to the disk group and it didn't make any difference.
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02:41<jm_>melvin: did you logout and login again after group changes?
02:41<melvin>jm: no, I'll try that, thanks!
02:42<jm_>melvin: either that or use sg/chgrp
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04:30<polos>has anyone have problem with lounching tor browser on Parrot
04:30<arto>!parrot
04:30<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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05:14<^Midway^>need help
05:14<Anarka>dont we all
05:14<Anarka>!ask
05:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:44<Eightynine>How can I find out why is Firefox slow at loading pages at every OS although download speed it up to 10 MB/s?
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06:46<arto>Eightynine: check this: https://paste.debian.net/1045998
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06:48<Eightynine>Thank you. So this feature causes Firefox to lag?
06:48<arto>Eightynine: atleast it worked for me, lag is gone
06:49<Eightynine>A bunch of idiots. Pushing some shit to browser instead of optimizing it. Which browser is better? Maybe Brave?
06:50<arto>Eightynine: Debian supports only chromium and firefox
06:50<arto>Eightynine: but there are other browsers too in repo
06:50<DNS>like midori which is very lightweight
06:50<Eightynine>But Chromium is owned by Google as well as Chrome.
06:51<arto>Eightynine: no, chromium is FOSS version of chrome
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06:51<arto>I use qupzilla in my low end notebook
06:51<Eightynine>I understand but isn't it tied to Crome services?
06:52<at0m>Eightynine: like LineageOS is Android but stipped of google's closed blobs - and then some.
06:52<at0m>*stripped
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06:52<arto>Eightynine: well, if you have ideological problems, you don't have to use it.
06:53<arto>Eightynine: I don't like it has google as default search, have not searched if it can be changed
06:53<Eightynine>I didn't have such ideas before but I'm tired of Mozilla's lies, shitty progects and Google constantly "enhances" it's projects.
06:54<arto>Eightynine: options are few, unfortunately
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06:55<at0m>Eightynine: use whatever floats https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
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06:57<Eightynine>I tried Falkon both on Linux and Windows 7, for some reason on Linux it works pretty good (maybe because of optimizations?) but it can't play some YouTube videos. On Windows 7 it works very bad. from 0 to 54% CPU load. I wondered why my battery gone from 45% to 7% after 30-35 minutes use and thought it's system's fault and then I checked CPU load and understood it's because of browser.
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06:58<arto>Eightynine: falkon is next version of qupzilla, it's not in stable, but you were using Buster
06:59<arto>Eightynine: and perhaps you'd need some codecs for better YouTube experience
06:59<Eightynine>Probably you haven't notice but I used it on other distributions. But I don't blame you.
07:00<arto>Eightynine: so I read, but this is Debian support channel
07:00<at0m>youtube-dl for better youtube experience :>
07:00<at0m>or NewPipe on android :>
07:00<Eightynine>I know, sorry for offtopic messages.
07:01<at0m>Eightynine: on top, Buster is #debian-next
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07:13<Eightynine>Nobody is answering there.
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07:14<arto>Eightynine: for me it's ok you are here, but you have to understand some thing are changed in Buster
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07:15<Eightynine>So it's mistake to use it on daily basis?
07:15<arto>Eightynine: I'd say your mileage may vary, if it works for you, why change
07:16<Eightynine>It works in general but with few issues.
07:16<arto>Eightynine: stable most likely has not those issues
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07:17<Eightynine>Which kernel is currently installed in Stretch?
07:17<arto>Eightynine: 4.9.0-7
07:18<Eightynine>But why isn't it latest LTS?
07:18<arto>Eightynine: but stable has backports, for example if you need newver kernel
07:20<Eightynine>OK. I wanted to ask about XFCE too. Is that possible to disable transparent icons, minimize window with only bar left?
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07:21<arto>Eightynine: I might be wrong, but I think current LTS is Jessie
07:21<arto>Eightynine: latter (minimize to bar) works
07:21<Eightynine>I mean LTS kernel, not LTS distribution (just to be clear)
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07:22<bremner>because debian has it's own release schedule
07:22<arto>Eightynine: I understood
07:22<bremner>imagine if every package designated some "LTS version"
07:22<bremner>it's bad enough that it happens for browsers
07:22<Eightynine>arto, maybe I told wrong I mean I want to disable minimize to bar.
07:23<bremner>security patches are are backported to stable, because the linux kernel makes that possible, unlike the browsers
07:23<arto>Eightynine: oh, the opposite, maybe in the settings, never thought of that
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07:24<Eightynine>I'm using XFCE only because it feels very lightweight and because MATE has a bug on my PC. But I didn't find anything better for me.
07:24<arto>Eightynine: and transparency was stripped pretty much in strech XFCE, i don't think it's even possible to make transparent icons
07:25<Eightynine>I mean icons in XFCE has something like transparent shades, I don't need that.
07:25<arto>Eightynine: settings, settings
07:27<arto>Eightynine: and that bug in MATE is those testing issues
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07:31<Eightynine>By the way yesterday I asked about tearing issues, I opened Arch wiki (someone here gave me a link) and then created 20-intel.conf and pasted there settings with TearFree options. Today I turned my PC on and tearing is gone. Also people here told me to disably Vsync. I checked and it's disabled my default.
07:32<Eightynine>Sometimes when screen turns off in MATE (standby mode) I can't turn it on again. I have to reboot. Please confirm it's not MATE bug but Testing issue.
07:33<arto>Eightynine: you should search Debian bugs, I use stable XFCE
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07:34<Eightynine>I didn't guess how to make search. When I write DE name there it finds nothing.
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07:34<arto>Eightynine: search py package name
07:35<arto>which in this case is close
07:36<arto>Eightynine: there is mate-desktop, and mate-common, those I'd try first
07:37<Eightynine>56 bugs total in XFCE4
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07:38<Eightynine>And 11 bugs in mate-desktop.
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07:46<Eightynine>So I found that the same bug is present both in Testing and Stable. Why is that?
07:47<arto>Eightynine: black screen?
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07:47<Eightynine>Yes. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=stable;package=mate-screensaver
07:48<arto>Eightynine: mate-screensaver, I don't know, interesting
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07:49<Eightynine>I didn't found answers there, only reports. Not sure if it'll be fixed.
07:50<arto>Eightynine: maybe root cause is different, the one you linked was about kerberos
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07:53<arto>Eightynine: black screen is very general symptom, there are many many possible reasons. That also very common topic on forums.debian.net
07:54<Eightynine>What could be causing that?
07:54<arto>Eightynine: I just said there are many possibilities
07:54<Eightynine>It's not possible to fix that?
07:55<arto>Eightynine: it's hard to fix many bugs with one patch, you have to identify the cause before it can be fixed
07:56<arto>Eightynine: sometimes certain bug is not in next version
07:56<Eightynine>But where is that bug? In Debian or in MATE itself?
07:57<arto>Eightynine: There are many DE in Debian, also MATE, I'm trying to tell that just black screen is too general
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07:58<Eightynine>https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-screensaver/issues/76 Oh, here it is.
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08:00<arto>Eightynine: so the bug is in mate-screensaver, if you think that's the same
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08:02<Eightynine>It's a bug from 2015. Probably regression appeared.
08:02<arto>Eightynine: I would think three years old bug would have been fixed
08:04<Eightynine>https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-screensaver/issues/123 I think they should rewrite/refactor it to fix that.
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08:22<Eightynine>Thank you for advice about Accessibility, now it's much better.
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10:27<silver>.v lightspark
10:28<silver>dpkg: lightspark
10:28<dpkg>Lightspark is an experimental, high-performance <Flash> player and browser plugin, aiming to support newer formats and the AVM2 virtual machine. The Mozilla browser plugin is packaged for Debian 7 "Wheezy" as browser-plugin-lightspark. http://lightspark.github.io/ #lightspark on irc.freenode.net.
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12:56<Guest634>When I try to run apt upgrade I get the message "The following packages have unmet dependencies"...how do I fix this using aptitude?
12:57<petn-randall>!bat
12:57<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:57<petn-randall>Guest634: Can you provide the complete info from above? ^^^
12:57<Guest634>petn-randall: I'll get it...
12:59<Eightynine>After booting my PC and typing my login and password I saw weird screensaver. Why did it show me it right after login?
12:59<Guest634>Here is the error message from apt upgrade...http://paste.debian.net/1046064/
13:00<Guest634>petn-randall: Here is the error message from apt upgrade...http://paste.debian.net/1046064/
13:00<petn-randall>Guest634: Read the factoid again, you're missing quite a lot of it.
13:01<petn-randall>Right now you cherry-picked 5 lines from 1., making it useless.
13:02<arto>Eightynine: still Buster :) perhaps it was running when you locked of
13:03<Guest634>petn-randall: That is the error information...there are over 1500 packages in the entire output...I don't think you want to go through that many:)
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13:04<petn-randall>Guest634: Let that be my problem.
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13:04<petn-randall>Guest634: And don't forget 2. and 3.
13:04<arto>Guest634: apt-cache policy
13:06<petn-randall>Guest634: For 2., you only need those three packages from the error, not the complete 15000 packages.
13:06<arto>Eightynine: i'd sugget trying stable, far less issues
13:08<arto>Eightynine: altough you'd loose falkon, but there is qupzilla
13:08<Eightynine>Thank you. And I think I'll switch back to KDE5. Or if I change window manager I will change XFCE behavor? I mean disable minimizing window to bar.
13:08<arto>Eightynine: XFCE settings can change quite a bit how it behaves
13:09<Eightynine>I didn't found such option.
13:09<arto>Eightynine: and why you minimize windows if that irritates you
13:10<Eightynine>Sometimes I click it accidentally instead of clicking Minimize button.
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13:13<arto>Eightynine: also I could not find when I quicky checked, but might be somewhere, have you googled
13:13<Eightynine>No, I haven't.
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13:21<Guest634>petn-randall: Here is the output for 1-3 of your request... http://paste.debian.net/?pnew=1046068
13:22<arto>Guest634: franken something
13:23<petn-randall>Guest634: It's because you're mixing stable, testing, and unstable. That's not supported.
13:23<petn-randall>!frankendebian
13:23<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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13:23<petn-randall>Guest634: I recommend either reinstalling, and only using stable, or fully upgrading to testing.
13:23<petn-randall>Guest634: If you added testing/unstable to get newer packages, you should know that there is stretch-backports, which does just that, but without the risk of breaking your system.
13:24<Guest634>petn-randall: This is a fresh install of Knoppix 8.1...
13:24<arto>Guest634: why are you on #debian then
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13:24<Guest634>?
13:24<petn-randall>!knoppix
13:24<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
13:24<Guest634>petn-randall: Thanks...:)
13:25<petn-randall>Guest634: In that case, you can ask the support channel above. ^^^ But I'd be very surprised if they really ship with such a broken setup.
13:25<petn-randall>Guest634: You're welcome!
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13:26<petn-randall>Guest634: Oh, knoppix is indeed shipping with that, oh wow! That's broken beyond explanation.
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13:26<arto>I guess knoppix is not meant to be installed to hd
13:28<Guest634>arto: It has Install to HD in the menu :)
13:28<arto>Guest634: that's new to me
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13:29<arto>Guest634: but anyways your situation cannot be repaired withou reinstall
13:30<arto>Guest634: and I'd suggest Debian
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14:02<Eightynine>That advice about Firefox helped only temporarly.
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14:05<arto>Eightynine: still on Buster? I wonder, FF should be same version
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14:07<Eightynine>Yes. I have Quantum 58. Why doesn't it update itself or why it doesn't update when doing apt upgrade?
14:09<jhutchins_wk>!ru
14:09<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:12<somiaj>Are you running Buster?
14:13<jhutchins_wk>,v firefox-esr
14:13<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.2.2esr-1
14:13<arto>Eightynine: well, you have noted some 'issues' while on Buster, you'll see them more and more
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14:14<somiaj>the browers are just things that are very low to migrate, there is often a lot of rc bugs with them keeping them from migrating correclty
14:15<somiaj>very low = very slow
14:15<Eightynine>somiaj, Yes. jhutchins_wk Why do you send me to Russian channel? I typed in English here and didn't type any word in Russian. And usually Russian channels have less users.
14:16<jhutchins_wk>Eightynine: Just wanted you to be aware it was out there. Your English is fine, no problem being here. I do wonder what you've got on your system though.
14:17<jhutchins_wk>somiaj: There are bugs in Firefox' history routines that were reported back when it was mosaic.
14:17<somiaj>Eightynine: Buster support is over on #debian-next, and you should read some buster and sid FAQ about how transitions from sid to buster work. Side affect is browers are often slow at migrating.
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14:18<somiaj>jhutchins_wk: yea, there are so many bugs, I'm unsure on if they give firefox special permsision to migrate, but the automigrating tools don't usually work with it.
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14:18<jhutchins_wk>Users should also note that stretch-security is more recent than buster.
14:19<Eightynine>jhutchins_wk, Some people tell me that. One person in Slack surprised when I said that English is not my native. He sad "Nonsense!". I have issues in grammar and lexicon, I have to think which word fits in statement or can forget simple word.
14:20<arto>Eightynine: please keep it related to Debian
14:20<Eightynine>arto, I understand but I had to answer him.
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14:21<ach>!dpkg ship
14:21<ach>!well
14:21<dpkg>That's a deep subject, ach.
14:21<arto>Eightynine: we are just people here, I've been called autistic here, better talk only about Debian so now will feel hurted
14:21<arto>no one
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14:26<sqrt{not}>anyway, a little autism can be a good thing, especially around software
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14:27<arto>sqrt{not}: especially if you are kernel dev (;
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14:38<Eightynine>Why is graphical system bad in Linux? Is there any attempts to fix that?
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14:39<arto>Eightynine: and you refer to?
14:39<jhutchins_wk>For the same reasons it's bad in Windows and Mac: Lots of moving parts.
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14:39<somiaj>works just fine for me here, YMMV
14:40<arto>Eightynine: I don't think that even amon linux users that % is high, which only use console on desktop
14:41<jhutchins_wk>Most advanced graphics production and rendering is done on some sort of linux systems.
14:41<arto>Eightynine: net is so important in manyways these days
14:41<Eightynine>arto, Google said that because of bad drivers and different versions of packages in Linux they can't enable hardware acceleration in Chrome for Linux. There's patch exists but they say that on some systems it causes problems with stability, so they won't enable it by default. And they have no plans to do that.
14:42<arto>Eightynine: you should, or could not obey Google, especially if you are running Debian
14:42<jhutchins_wk>Eightynine: Works on mine.
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14:42<Eightynine>jhutchins_wk, by the way Windows can have tearing to and as I noticed Intel drivers buggy even on Windows, especially Windows 10.
14:42<somiaj>yea, webgl and hardware acceleration works just fine in chromium here for me too
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14:43<Eightynine>arto, But Google uses Debian theirselves. I wonder why they switched from Ubuntu to Debian.
14:43<somiaj>now google-chrome I haven't checked, and myabe google disables it due to bug reports form users
14:43<jhutchins_wk>somiaj: I'm on Chrome. No problems.
14:44<arto>Eightynine: because there are some smart ppl in Google, Ubuntu has loosed a lot of popularity
14:44<jhutchins_wk>(Except the annoying keyring password prompt.)
14:44<Eightynine>They say that they have priority for stability and security, not performance.
14:44<somiaj>most like debian provided what they needed more than ubuntu. Could be due to the DFSG or the stability release cycle, or the single repo that provides all the software they need.
14:45<Eightynine>jhutchins_wk, I hate that thing in Chromium-based browsers. And I hate they don't have codecs by default.
14:45<somiaj>ubuntu focuses on the desktop a bit more and debian on the server side.
14:45<arto>Eightynine: I guess they are using stable there
14:47<Eightynine>They told that their employees can use any OS they want but they should ask for permission if it's not Linux. They should use Debian by default with any DE they like.
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14:48<arto>Eightynine: you don't like Chrome/Chromium, but still you know so much of Googles internals
14:49<somiaj>I don't think forcing an os on users laptops/workstations is that useful, users should use what they like the best (provided the software they need is avaialble -- windows seems to get used just because the software being used on the coorp is only available on windows)
14:49<somiaj>but this is drifting away from debian support
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15:28<katerino>Hello! I'm trying to get uim to work with anthy, but the toolbar isn't showing up. I think I need to install a package called uim-toolbar-qt, but my machine claims no such package exists in the repositories and I can't find it online.
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15:30<katerino>Also notable: I could access uim via the desktop menu seemingly from the defaults of the debian install, yet from the command line the machine claimed that uim wasn't installed. I installed it again and nothing broke as far as I can tell?
15:30<katerino>But I had to install a whole bunch of dependencies.
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15:32<katerino>Uim is still doing my compose key customizations just fine, it just won't switch to anthy.
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15:34<katerino>Also possibly related: The software manager has been acting really weird. Even tho I clearly have at least the uim customization gui program installed because I can run it, the manager has no results for "uim" when I search for it.
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15:35<mnuhmnuh>katerino: looks to me that both uim-qt and uim-qt5 provide /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt[45]
15:35<katerino>Huh.
15:36<katerino>I tried "dpkg -s uim-toolbar-qt5" and it said that not only is it not installed, but that it has no information about the package.
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15:37<mnuhmnuh>apt-file search uim-toolbar-qt
15:37<katerino>Yet when I run the same command with uim-qt5, it does say that it's installed.
15:37<katerino>Is that a command? I'll try it.
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15:38<katerino>"apt-file: command not found"
15:39<mnuhmnuh>apt-get apt-file && apt-file update
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15:39<katerino>Heh, okay.
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15:42<katerino>It looks like the apt-file command found it in "/usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt5".
15:42<katerino>Not sure what to do with that information.
15:42<katerino>apt-get install uim-toolbar-qt5 says "E: Unable to locate package uim-toolbar-qt5".
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15:45<mnuhmnuh>apt-file search says it's two vers. in package uim-qt and uim-qt5, "_uim-qt_: /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt4 _uim-qt5_: /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt5" ; diff. basenames.
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15:46<katerino>Different basenames?
15:46<katerino>Like, I see there are two versions.
15:47<katerino>I was assuming it would be better to use the version 5 one.
15:47<mnuhmnuh>already installed. /usr/bin/uim-toolbar-qt5 &
15:47<katerino>Oh, I think I get it.
15:48<katerino>So you're saying this isn't a case of a missing package, it's something wrong with uim?
15:49<mnuhmnuh>wrong? config? user error? i've never used it.
15:49<katerino>Okay.
15:49<katerino>Well that at least narrows down the possible problems.
15:49<katerino>Thanks.
15:49<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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16:15<denniso>hello
16:16<ach>!hello
16:16<dpkg>Hi, ach!
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16:35<Miro>i have problem applying for konversation mic on somez bout?
16:36<annadane>Miro, somez bout?
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16:38<annadane>if you mean "is someone about" like "are people online to help me", yes
16:38<annadane>i'm not sure how to diagnose problems with konversation so someone else can try to answer it, or i think there's a #debian-kde channel
16:38<annadane>(there is.)
16:40<Miro>there is an inline channel protocol
16:41<Miro>but i crashed against it
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16:43<itd>Miro: A mic for an irc client?
16:43<Miro>mic add as whatsapp
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16:44<itd>Miro: No sense you make.
16:44<Miro>fuck the blue im telling grün
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16:45<jhutchins_wk>!es
16:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:46<mnuhmnuh>!ro
16:46<dpkg>Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net.
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16:46<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: His ISP is in Spain, I think Spanish is a better bet.
16:47<fdelapena>!ca
16:47<dpkg>somebody said ca was Certificate Authority. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. Also ask me about <ssl> and <rootca>. It has been observed that "Commercial certificate authorities protect you from anyone from whom they are unwilling to take money." (http://www.crypto.com/blog/spycerts/)
16:47<fdelapena>well, no language prefix for #debian-catalan ;)
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16:48<Mikaela>!cat
16:48<dpkg>methinks cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>.
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16:50<itd>Miro: Que parla català?
16:51<mnuhmnuh>if you ask dpkg catalan, it says it wishes it knew. so, ... "/msg dpkg no dpkg catalan is ..."
16:51<Miro>una mica
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16:56<itd>Miro: Perdó. No entenc el català. :/ (Parla anglès/espanyol/...?)
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16:58<annadane>i know there is a catalan mailing list
16:58<itd>#debian-catalan
16:58<annadane>debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org
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17:00<itd>Muzer: Quina llengua parles?
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17:00<itd>Sorry.
17:00<itd>Miro: Quina llengua parles?
17:01<Miro>portugues
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17:01<itd>Miro: Excelente :)
17:01<itd>dpkg: pt
17:01<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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17:02<Miro>claro claro o conto e que eu no vou ir dar o paseo
17:03<Miro>non
17:03<itd>Miro: As you wish.
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19:02<deb_>I want to make fixes to the Debian repository. I'm working on a Mac and I want to know whether it is necessary to change my system to a dual boot or whether I can make these fixes via a VM?
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21:11<vrd1>using mailx for sending mail with command line
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21:12<vrd1>When NOT using relay (only specifying smtp host, but no user authentication), mail works during daytime, but for some reason fails during nightime with error
21:12<vrd1>550 acces denied invalid helo name
21:12<vrd1>If using relay by specifying authentication it works
21:13<vrd1>I'm not using relay becausde im sending email to addresses of the same domain
21:13<vrd1>any help?
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21:17<vrd1>no one here
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