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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-08

---Logopened Mon Oct 08 00:00:16 2018
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00:38<queen>hello
00:38<queen>i need some help
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00:43<nyov>!ask
00:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:45<Lucas_M>Hey
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00:46<Lucas_M>anyone here?
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03:00<at0m>babilen: maybe makes sense to add "don't ask to ask, just ask" to /topic. so many just "hello" or "anyone here?"
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03:11<jm_>as if anyone reads the topic :)
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03:45<username>Hello!Could some one advice me a safest mail-service?
03:47<sney>what exactly are you trying to do
03:47<sadrak|work>i guess the Deutsche Post (german postal service) is very good
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03:47<nyov>not very safe though
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03:59<at0m>username: what's your threat model? who or what are you trying to be safe from?
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04:09<sney>error: questions too hard
04:09<SpeedyG>cannot compute? :D
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06:06<Eightynine>I have installed package from Snap store but it didn't show up in menu and it couldn't be launched from terminal. How to fix that?
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06:15<itd>Eightynine: How did you try to launch it? ("snap run $package"?)
06:16<Eightynine>No, just typed package name. Thank you for asnwer.
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06:21<itd>And does it start if you use 'snap run'?
06:21<archer>Am I able to have a desktop environment in chroot?
06:23<jm_>archer: in general yes, but getting all the pieces to work might be more challening with some DE-s
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06:24<archer>jm_: I was able to get some things functional through command line from a 9.5 install but it resulted with the 7.11 install; thanks for the response. Noone until now told me it is able to be done.
06:29<Eightynine>itd, Yes, forgot to say it helped. But is it possible to add it to menu?
06:31<itd>Eightynine: Good. You can try to create a file like https://paste.debian.net/plainh/2e8ad0be (location see first line; replace 'whatever'; more details: https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ )
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06:33<Eightynine>I found that this package still in development and can run only on some Ubuntu versions, Debian Jessie and any Fedora or OpenSUSE.
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06:37<archer>Does anyone have any references that could help me build a desktop environment in my chroot? I was able to do a base install, just haven't seemed to be able to find any references on the further construct.
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06:46<jm_>does this help? https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/chroot-with-second-desktop-environment-howto-and-notes-4175614913/ http://www.math.cmu.edu/~gautam/sj/blog/20140716-viber.html
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06:47<archer>jm_: hope so! thanks
06:55<Eightynine>Why is LXQT not working? I hate that shit XFCE for it's stupid file manager and window management system but when I install LXQT it shows "Choose window manager" but list is empty. This is an old bug why didn't they fix it?
06:55<bremner>archer: generally speaking, you chroot into your newly created chroot and manually install packages
06:55<bremner>i.e. with "apt install"
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06:59<jm_>Eightynine: install lxqt how?
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07:00<Eightynine>jm_, I tried both Synaptic and terminal. Maybe I should install full package, not base?
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08:30<tuxtimo>Hi, I'm having problems with -dbgsym packages, is any one here who can quickly help me with that?
08:30<tuxtimo>It's not about the usage but the creation of those!
08:31<itd>tuxtimo: Just ask.
08:32<tuxtimo>https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages states that debhelper >9 supports the automatic creation of -dbgsym packages, however, that doesn't seem to work for me. I'm trying it on a debian jessie with the debhelper from backports
08:33<tuxtimo>It works with the same version of debhelper on Ubuntu but ONLY IF pkg-create-dbgsym package is installed
08:33<tuxtimo>Is there an equivalent package available on debian jessie?
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08:34<tuxtimo>The exact debhelper version is 10.2.5~bpo8+1
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08:42<itd>tuxtimo: Is debian/compat >= 9? No -dbg in debian/control? Not sure if there's something similar.
08:43<tuxtimo>itd: yes, compat is 10 and no -dbg in debian/control
08:44<tuxtimo>itd: I could quickly share the example project with you if you want to give it a try.
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08:47<tuxtimo>itd: https://github.com/timofurrer/debian-dbgsym-demo
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08:52<archer>bremner: thanks, i've got zero education behind my short time period of trying to use it for what i want it to do
08:53<itd>tuxtimo: Example sounds good. But I think you should try #packaging (unless you are packaging for a Debian repository?). Not sure what's wrong here, sorry. (Maybe pass --automatic-dbgsym to dh_strip?)
08:53<archer>im pretty sure this uname -r should be providing more information than 4.15.0-36-generic so ill get back to the books
08:54<tuxtimo>itd: i've tried passing --automatic-dbgsym but didn't help
08:55<tuxtimo>itd: I'm packagining for an in-house debian repository. Is #packaging still the correct place to ask?
08:56<itd>tuxtimo: AFAIK, yes.
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09:00<tuxtimo>itd: can you join this channel?!
09:00<tuxtimo>itd: #packaging?
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09:01<tuxtimo>itd: I can't ... but can all the other debian channels ...
09:03<bremner>tuxtimo: are you registered?
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09:03<tuxtimo>bremner: that's the problem ..
09:04<bremner>yep. Channels without active ops are probably still +R
09:04<peter1138>Is that stuff still going on?
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09:04<bremner>at this minute, no.
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09:15<archer>how do i adjust my locale in the command line?
09:15<tuxtimo>bremner: I'm actually registered and identified by password but can't join packaging .. why is that? How can I get verified?
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09:17<at0m>tuxtimo: go to the website and log in.
09:17<at0m>there, do a captcha then you're verified
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09:19<bremner>tuxtimo: you're not showing as identified with nickserv
09:20<at0m>tuxtimo: identification is with nickserv or through sasl, and iirc, https://services.oftc.net/ to log in and verify.
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09:21<tuxtimo>at0m: bremner: seems to have worked! Thanks!
09:22<nyov>archer: spawn a new shell like so: LC_ALL=<newlocale> /bin/bash
09:23<archer>nyov: ty, but its telling me no such file or directory
09:23<nyov>well, you'll have to replace locale & shell with something valid
09:24<archer>TY
09:24<nyov>LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 /bin/sh
09:24<nyov>for example
09:25<archer>if i nano into the locale.gen i just delete the # right?
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09:26<nyov>yes, but you should rather do `dpkg-reconfigure locales`
09:27<archer>nyov: you dont even want to see what that shows
09:27<nyov>since you'll have to generate them afterwards anyway I think
09:27<nyov>ok then do it the manual way :p
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09:28<archer>i dont have dpgk installed, and aptitude cant find it one moment ill provide context
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09:29<nyov>...
09:30<nyov>if you have apt and can install packages, then you have dpkg
09:30<bremner>heh. either you have dpkg installed, or you need to reinstall from scratch
09:30<archer>sorry, i wont copy and paste line sequences; perl is saying to set language lc_all and that lang are supported and installed
09:30<arto>Debian and no dpkg...
09:31<nyov>you mean perl is saying something about missing locale?
09:32<archer>nyov: yes
09:32<nyov>that will disappear once you built the missing locale.
09:33<nyov>the one it complains about. though I wonder why you can't reconfigure locales
09:33<archer>and termbin isnt capturing the errors
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09:34<rober>archer: you should probably think of them as warnings, not errors
09:34<archer>written logs cant because of a failure of /dev/pts not mounted; perl settings
09:34<rober>die you try to set LC_ALL=C to see if they go away?
09:35<archer>if i try to do a aptitude install <example> it cannot find the packages
09:35<archer>i set my sourcelist.conf did i miss something?
09:35<rober>archer: networking works?
09:35<archer>chroot
09:36<nyov>did you mount /dev into your chroot?
09:36<rober>/etc/apt/sources.list has useful content?
09:36<rober>apt update works?
09:36<rober>...
09:36<archer>rober: i can access interwebs on it
09:37<archer>nyov: nyov not yet, i cant seem to find resources that can define the difference between rooting into host and being autonomous due to my lack of knowledge of the terminology and flat out inexperience in linux
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09:39<archer>apt & apt-get does not work, only aptitude; i cannot install systemd for services (not sure if a pure debian uses systemd for say systemctl being all i know)
09:39<rober>archer: sorry, i just read some backlog, you're trying to do strange things in a chroot
09:40<archer>rober: im trying to run an orphan from my host machine with a desktop environment
09:40<archer>autonomously to prevent orphan to host access
09:41<nyov>chroot is only file-level isolation
09:41<nyov>I think you should look for lxc, or docker or some such
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09:42<archer>nyov: can i not chroot an image?
09:43<archer>nyov: because im in a chroot that i installed debian to; just caught up on some kinks
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09:58<nyov>you have to provide the required environment though, if you want it to work. which means access to /sys and /dev for example
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09:59<archer>nyov: i see; is that the copy of home dir process i've been reading about?
09:59<nyov>and then it won't be an isolated environment as such. depending on your requirements of course
09:59<nyov>no idea
10:00<archer>nyov: as long as i can use my full system resources; and it cannot access host root i am fine with that
10:00<archer>sorry, a bit vague; resources suggested to copy the home dir simply put as what i think youre saying about /sys and /dev
10:04<nyov>can't compute. ehm, I think you'll just have to try and learn
10:04<archer>lol, sorry i have a dental dam on my terminology
10:04<nyov>see if it works somehow
10:05<archer>its somehow working, but with no environment
10:05<archer>and the 9.5 debian install didnt take; it only installed 7.11
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10:31<bremner>archer: I think virtualbox would be easier than trying to do this in a chroot. More secure as well
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10:35<archer>bremner: i agree, but it also consumes more resources and i dont learn anything
10:35<archer>bremner: just got told theres a linux book so im going to beat my head off that for a few days have a good one
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10:36<bremner>you might read up on security flaws in chroots at the same time
10:36<psyndrome>hi
10:36<arto>hi psyndrome
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10:39<psyndrome>i have few troubles with MATE desktop
10:39<arto>!ask
10:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:44<psyndrome>I just have no control over the items in my menubar and also problems with installing new themes
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11:03<psyndrome>Is anyone know how can i upgrade my desktop environment if that will fix anything?
11:05<blast007>can you be a bit more specific with the problems you're encountering?
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11:09<psyndrome>The first one is when i click right button on menubar there is no Edit Menus button as it is explained in the User Manual
11:10<psyndrome>The second problem is when i install themes different then the default once i get big icons or missing colors and many things are messed up in general
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11:11<arto>psyndrome: which user manual are you following?
11:12<psyndrome>When i click right on the menu theres a help button which opens bunch of instructions of how to use the environment
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11:13<arto>psyndrome: so right click works somewhere
11:14<psyndrome>its working everywhere
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11:16<arto>psyndrome: seems there are no MATE users aroung right know, you can try later, or forums.debian.net
11:16<jhutchins_wk>!mate
11:16<dpkg>The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net.
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11:20<bloobier>For questions about installing debian, should I refer to here or #debian-live?
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11:22<arto>bloobier: you can ask hire, live is different
11:22<psyndrome>But i am using the thing and the links provided dont explain how tu upgrade in fact they are old installation instructions
11:22<psyndrome>and mate channel is require registration in some sort
11:23<arto>psyndrome: so is this #debian
11:23<psyndrome>yes
11:26<bloobier>Alright. I have been using Debian for a little while through WSL, but it is really slow and was only meant to be a temporary solution. I backed up all of my important files and made a 20GB partition for Debian, but I haven't been able to get the installer working. I've tried putting the contents of the live CD on an external hard drive and booting from there, but every time I try to boot from it, it just
11:26<bloobier>goes to Widows after a bit. When I go to advanced startup settings and select "continue Debian GNU/Linux installation" it doesn't boot properly, showing somethingfrom Windows saying that there's an issue with g2ldr.mbr
11:26<arto>psyndrome: have you checked mate-desktop.org? And stable does not have the newest packages
11:26<blast007>psyndrome: are you sure you joined the Freenode server when you tried joining #mate? you're on OFTC right now, not Freenode.
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11:27<blast007>oh, I guess their channel is +r right now
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11:28<psyndrome>Yes they have a link in their site and when i try join the freenode thing is require to make a registration to let me in
11:28<arto>bloobier: I don't know if the debian-live cd:s have install to hd option, but you can get normal install images from debian.org
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11:31<bloobier>Alright. And if I install to that partition, I should be able to boot from it?
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11:32<arto>bloobier: basically yes, but newer computers have some UEFI settings that may need some modifications
11:33<bloobier>My computer has legacy boot mode as well, but I'll look into that
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11:33<arto>bloobier:i it's good to read install instructions too
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11:35<bloobier>Alright. Thank you. So in order to do that, I should use the complete installation rather than the small one right
11:35<arto>bloobier: oh, just read also live-images have option to install
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11:36<arto>bloobier: perhaps grub installation failed, or something
11:37<arto>bloobier: network-installation images can be very small
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11:38<arto>bloobier: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=93059
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11:41<bloobier>I've read that thread. I tried tried installing from boot media, but unfortunately, it didn't work
11:41<bloobier>I tried placing the contents of the iso on an external HDD and booting from there
11:42<arto>bloobier: it's quite old, sorry
11:42<bloobier>but yes, that was identical to my error
11:42<arto>bloobier: installation does not go that way
11:42<arto>bloobier: select install from debian-live cd, and it should instruct you there on
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11:45<arto>bloobier: iso images are burnt to opctical media, they don't work as such on hd
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11:46<jhutchins_wk>!ig
11:46<dpkg>from memory, stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>.
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11:47<bloobier>Makes sense. So where would I be selecting install from debian-live cd
11:48<jhutchins_wk>bloobier: Did you check the CRC of the iso image?
11:48<arto>bloobier: never used, but if yóu cant find, go debian.org, and download installation image
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11:49<partcybo1g>arto: they work on usb drives, so why not hard drives?
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11:50<arto>partcyborg: iso images?
11:50<partcyborg>arto: the debian installer ones sure do
11:50<arto>partcyborg: you can mount loop,
11:50<blast007>arto: yes, the installer and live images are hybrid images and can be written directly to a flash drive
11:51<partcyborg>and yes, you can also mount them loop in grub and boot them from a hd
11:51<arto>seems I'm old styler
11:51<jhutchins_wk>bloobier: The installation images are iso9660, not ext or hard disk images, I'm not surprised if they don't work.
11:51<partcyborg>now, if ANY of them would actually boot a kaby lake system, id be ecstatic :(
11:51<blast007>but in this case I think bloobier is trying to go with a normal install
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11:53<partcyborg>https://imgur.com/a/DdlAzwx <-- this is what i get when i fire up the installer on any 8th gen core intel system, of which i have 2 :(
11:54<partcyborg>d-i's installer is doing something very wacky, as every other medium i have put in there works fine
11:54<partcyborg>and ive tried stable, buster testing, and buster sid install medium
11:55<jhutchins_wk>blast007: I don't see any known issues with kaby lake, other than graphics and hyperthreading support.
11:55<bremner>I just installed on an 8th gen a few weeks ago
11:55<jhutchins_wk>!errata
11:55<dpkg>Last minute notes regarding Debian 9 ("Stretch") are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/#errata
11:55<bremner>no real weirdness, just problems with the kernel support for the networking hardware (too new)
11:55<bloobier>ok, so I've downloaded the debian 9.4 netinst iso, but I don't have any cds (my laptop doesn't even have a cd drive)or flash drives
11:55<partcyborg>everything works fine but the debian installer
11:55<bremner>partcyborg: is that the text installer?
11:56<partcyborg>bremner: both the text and the graphical one do the same thing
11:56<partcyborg>except the graphical one you can see it scrolling as its trying to start xorg and failing
11:56<partcyborg>lol
11:56<bremner>huh. like I said, didn't see anything like that on the desktop I just installed on
11:57<partcyborg>both my nuc (core i5) has this problem and my notebook (core i7) have this
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11:57<partcyborg>the laptop i had to debootstrap from a grml cd
11:57<bremner>I forget, maybe I installed before the point release.
11:57<blast007>partcyborg: what about with this one? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso (if you start that one in expert mode, it gives you the option of installing stretch, testing, or sid)
11:57<partcyborg>i was hoping to avoid doing that
11:57<partcyborg>blast007: Ill try it right now, thanks
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11:58<sqrt{not}>boobier: copy the .iso onto a USB flash drive, the instructions tell you how
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11:59<blast007>if the age of the kernel in stretch is the issue, you might have to chroot into the install afterwards (from that ISO) and activate stretch-backports and install the backports kernel
11:59<jhutchins_wk>partcyborg: That was meant for you, no known issues with kaby lake and the installer. Possibly your download is corrupt. Check the CRC.
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11:59<sqrt{not}>boobier: oh, i just saw no optical and no flash drives......hmm
11:59<gostforest>ok
11:59<gostforest>so
11:59<gostforest>i need help
11:59<Celelibi>sqrt{not}, you may be missing an l in his nickname. :D
12:00<Celelibi>(Not that I have a highlight on "boob" or anything.)
12:00<sqrt{not}>(my advice not usefule anyway)
12:00<jhutchins_wk>!ask gostforest
12:00<jhutchins_wk>!ask
12:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:01<gostforest>sorry, i meant to say i was trying to connect to ubuntu server but i couldnt,and yes, i know that wasnt debian related but i accidently clicked this
12:02<jhutchins_wk>gostforest: Ok, well, good luck.
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12:04<partcyborg>jhutchins_wk: nope, image is fine. ive also downloaded like 10 different ones :)
12:04<bloobier>No, I understand. ... thanks for your help so far everyone
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12:09<sqrt{not}>bloobier: for info on booting from your hard disk, see https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ especially sections 2.4.4 and 4.4 and and 5.1
12:14<partcyborg>blast007: thanks, but it get the same pattern after selecting a menu option in grub
12:14<blast007>fun.
12:15<blast007>someone else had that same issue here. can't recall if we solved it.
12:15<partcyborg>for example, the clonezilla bootable installer boots just fine
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12:37<blast007>partcyborg: do you know if you're booting it via UEFI or legacy boot?
12:37<sqrt{not}>bloobier: for info on booting from your hard disk, see https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ especially sections 2.4.4 and 4.4 and and 5.1
12:37<arto>sqrt{not}: he went
12:38<sqrt{not}>and returned
12:38<arto>:)
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12:39<bloobier>sorry about that
12:40<bloobier>sqrt{not}: thank you
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12:47<bloobier>alright. so I guess I should restaart and try booting from legacy mode
12:47<bloobier>just a momentt
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12:56<jimpop>does anyone know of a pkg or service that will auto add/del IP blocks like spamhaus DROP or Team Cymru?
12:57<jimpop>i know it can be scripted+cron'ed, but is there a maintained pkg that does same/similar
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13:00<juko>hi all 1
13:00<arto>hi juko
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13:01<juko>anybody knows how to publish gpg key ?
13:01<juko>hi arto: what's up !
13:02<arto>juko: try net serach: gpg server
13:02<jimpop>juko: gpg --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net --send-keys KEYID
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13:03<arto>jimpop: fail2ban, I don't know those
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13:03<jimpop>fail2ban won't automatically download and apply thos IP block lists
13:03<arto>jimpop: ok
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13:05<juko>i tried to put my id but it's not working
13:05<bloobier>still didn't work, unfortunately
13:06<juko>jimpop: i got bash error commande
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13:06<jimpop>do you have gnupg installed?
13:11<partcyborg>blast007: UEFI
13:11<partcyborg>I have to, my nvme is GPT
13:13<sqrt{not}>bloobier: what hardware is it, and what OS are you running on it now ?
13:13<bloobier>just a second
13:15<blast007>partcyborg: I'm legacy booting 6TB GPT drives at home
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13:17<bloobier>https://imgur.com/a/gqrYqYE
13:17<blast007>bloobier: I wasn't suggesting you to legacy boot if you got that from me. I was talking to partcyborg.
13:17<bloobier>Oh. I did legacy boot anyway
13:17<bloobier>I didn't think it would hurt to try either wy
13:17<blast007>:)
13:19<bloobier>sqrt{not}: that is my hardware
13:19<arto>bloobier: can't you boot from that live-debian?
13:19<blast007>partcyborg: though either way, I'm halfway curious if the graphical issue occurs with both UEFI and legacy boot
13:21<bloobier>I'm pretty sure I can't
13:22<arto>bloobier: oh sorry, you had that image on hd, you should chnage boot order
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13:24<sqrt{not}>bloobier: what OS are you running there, some kind of unix inside of windows 10 ? are you in some kind of VM ?
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13:24<arto>he told it, debian runnin in win10
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13:29<sqrt{not}>sorry, not a debian I'm familiar with, I don't know what to suggest, don't know about VMs or emulation or whatever under windows
13:29<arto>bloobier: any particular reason you can not boot from optical media, is there one?
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13:30<arto>bloobier: optical drice
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13:30<arto>sqrt{not}: he told it felt sluggish, so wanted to install real Debian
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13:40<sqrt{not}>arto: reading back I see he is in WSL, sluggish, but also he has no optical drive or media, and no USB sticks, but does have an external harddrive
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13:44<bloobier>apparently it's something called WSL
13:44<bloobier>windows subsystems for linux
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13:45<bloobier>and it's debian running in windows 10
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13:48<sqrt{not}>bloobier: OK, what happens when you say "still didn't work" what did you try, and what was the result ?
13:49<arto>bloobier: just out of interest, how you run debian-live then?
13:51<arto>bloobier: lot of questiosn, but were you able to boot frotm that hd you installed iso?
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13:55<bloobier> I tried the installer from the page that was linked
13:55<bloobier>to install to hd
13:55<bloobier>I was not able to boot from the external hd that I put the debian live iso on
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13:56<arto>bloobier: must be confusing when so many different advice
13:56<partcyborg>holy crap i got it
13:56<partcyborg>i booted into a grub install on another external drive, and loaded the xen kernel/initrd with gfxmode=keep
13:56<arto>bloobier: did you get some messages?
13:58<bloobier>yes
13:58<bloobier>one second
13:58<partcyborg>oh, and i booted a buster install with 4.18.0
13:58<bloobier>are you talking about private messages?
13:59<arto>bloobier: no, from the failed boot
13:59<bloobier>nothing
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13:59<bloobier>it just goes right to windows
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13:59<arto>bloobier: did you change the boot order?
13:59<bloobier>I'll try that
14:00<bloobier>one second please
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14:05<bloobier>Hi
14:06<arto>hi
14:06<bloobier>Just went right to Windows again
14:06<bloobier>Unfortunately
14:07<arto>for some reason by passes your external hd, I suppose, or the image is not right
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14:07<arto>bloobier: secure boot enabld?
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14:09<arto>bloobier: secure boot enabld?
14:09<bloobier>I think I disabled it but I can check
14:10<arto>bloobier: if there is lights or something that indicates it's spinning
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14:11<arto>in the external hd
14:13<bloobier>Yes there are lights etc
14:13<bloobier>That also might just be windows though
14:13<arto>so when pc boots, see if the extrnal hd spins at all
14:14<arto>bloobier: did you find boot order menu?
14:14<bloobier>Yes and I changed it
14:14<arto>ok
14:14<bloobier>To external hd first
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14:30<bloobier>Ok now something else boots
14:31<arto>bloobier: progress
14:31<bloobier>Intel UNDI PXE
14:31<bloobier>something
14:32<arto>bloobier: does not sound windows :9
14:32<bloobier>Then it says exiting PXE ROM
14:32<arto>bloobier: waits for network boot, blah
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14:33<arto>bloobier: you managed to change boot order, not I suspect the image is not right
14:34<arto>now I suspect...
14:34<bloobier>Should I try the PXE loader thing
14:34<arto>bloobier: it refers to network boot, different
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14:35<bloobier>Ok
14:35<arto>hmm
14:35<bloobier>What I did was mount iso and copy and paste all files to root of external her
14:36<arto>don't you have any usb-memory stick
14:36<bloobier>Nope
14:36<arto>bloobier: I'm not sure, but think there shoud be only one file
14:37<arto>but I know next to nothing about that hybrid boot
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14:38<arto>bloobier: I must go, but I wish good luck and that get your problem solved!
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14:38<bloobier>Alright. Thanks for your help!
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14:43<partcyborg>lol its the xen kernel/initrd
14:43<partcyborg>i think it lets it boot in a dumbed down enough video mode or something
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15:47<zleap>hi
15:47<zleap>i an trying to get flash working in debian 9 , mainly for chromium
15:48<zleap>any suggestions as it chromium says "the plugin is not supported"
15:48<annadane>condolences
15:48<abrotman>Didn't we just cover this on Freenode?
15:49<cc>pepperflashplugin-nonfree is the name of the non-free package I think
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15:52<zleap>ok
15:52<zleap>cc: i'll try that too
15:52<mnuhmnuh>browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
15:53<annadane>or not go to websites that still need flash
15:53<annadane>seriously...
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15:53<zleap>annadane: i am trying to use scratch
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15:53<zleap>i think scratch 3 uses something otehr than flash anyway but that is not out till january
15:55<blast007>I know at least Chrome blocks flash on most sites even though it has it installed, so maybe you just need to allow flash on the site
15:56<zleap> some of those options are greyed out
15:56<zleap>unless I am looking in the wrong place for this
15:58<zleap>i have options for allow and block and NO obvious way to add websites under those
15:58<zleap>unless something isn't displaying properly
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16:01<hansvh>Hi, I am having problems connecting to my server via ssh
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16:01<hansvh>I always get a connection refused error
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16:02<hansvh>I checked if openssh server is running
16:03<hansvh>ps aux | grep sshd
16:03<hansvh>I get a line mentioning sshd
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16:04<rtaw>hi
16:07<rtaw>can anyone tell me working RewriteRules to redirect the local apache 2.4 reverse proxy from http to https on the same machine?
16:08<zleap>abrotman: this site may be helpful for others, https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6258784?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop not sure if the bot can include that or a shorter link to it
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16:13<hansvh>I am getting messages all the time on my terminal screen. How can I stop this?
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16:13<annadane>try clear
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16:13<annadane>or um, wait a sec
16:13<annadane>if it's actual output from something try control + c first
16:14<hansvh>nope still showing up
16:15<itd>hansvh: What kind of messages?
16:17<hansvh>on the terminal for example dropping connection attempts
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16:19<itd>hansvh: Can you paste some of them on paste.debian.net, please?
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16:24<user01>chromium crashes for me on CNN and today it just started crashing on Amazon . . .chrome works fine. Is there some technology not supported in chromium?
16:30<zleap>i give up
16:32<cc>I told you the exact package name that you need to install
16:33<user01>going to try on my debian testing system
16:34<user01>bleh chromium works fine on my debian testing system for loading amazon.com something up then with this jessie machine
16:35<user01>ohhh wait . . . maybe this is an old stable system let me check on that
16:36<user01>yep its jessie . .. better upgrade this one i guess
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17:18<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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19:36<k-man>how does one restart solr?
19:36<k-man>it doesn't seem to have the usual systemd service unit
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19:53<annadane>k-man, i don't know but here's some hints https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22321035/restarting-solr-without-restarting-whole-tomcat-service
19:54<k-man>thanks annadane
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19:59<annadane>the nice thing with debian stable is being able to reasonably link 4 year old threads
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20:16<ebrasca>Can I install debian in 1 subvolume? ( No formating )
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20:16<ebrasca>I have other systems in diferent subvolumes.
20:17<ebrasca>Can I install debian in 1 btrfs subvolume? ( No formating )
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20:18<annadane>!crosspost
20:18<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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20:19<ebrasca>dpkg: Sori I have think freenode irc is only to go to OFTC.
20:19<dpkg>ebrasca: okay
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20:19<ebrasca>dpkg: Like qemu channel
20:19<annadane>dpkg: forget Sori I have think freenode irc
20:19*dpkg smooches qemu channel on the forehead
20:19<annadane>dpkg: forget Sori I have think freenode irc
20:19<dpkg>annadane: i forgot sori i have think freenode irc
20:19<annadane>ebrasca, dpkg is just a bot which i invoked
20:20<ebrasca>annadane: ^
20:20<annadane>dpkg: are you a bot?
20:20<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
20:21<ebrasca>dpkg: help
20:21<annadane>!search dpkg
20:21<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
20:21<annadane>but anyway, just wait for an answer on freenode; if you're not answered within about 30 minutes feel free to ask again
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20:28<ebrasca>annadane: I think I need to write better english too.
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20:32<ebrasca>annadane: Why is it rude to ask in 2 irc channels?
20:33<annadane>the dpkg bot provided the reasoning above, basically we just don't want people in one channel solving a problem that's already been solved in the other channel
20:33<annadane>also if everyone did that there'd be a lot of spam
20:34<ebrasca>I have whait and 0 help in freenode.
20:34<mnuhmnuh>ebrasca: i've never understood the taboo about xposting either.
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20:43<bremner>it's the same reason offtopic chatter in a quiet channel is annoying to some people
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20:56<ebrasca>Can I install debian in 1 btrfs subvolume? ( No formating )
20:56<ebrasca>I have other systems in diferent subvolumes.
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21:21<k-man>in gnome, i want to use the compose key to be able to enter utf8 characters
21:21<k-man>is there a prefered key to assign as compose?
21:21<k-man>on a US keyboard
21:22<bremner>k-man: I used to use menu. But my new keyboard doesn't have one :sadface:
21:22<k-man>bremner, oh
21:22<k-man>that's annoying
21:22<bremner>yep. And I didn't think about it when buying.
21:23<bremner>I _mostly_ use TeX input method in emacs to do the same stuff, so I'm surviving
21:23<k-man>bremner, fair enough
21:23<k-man>i'm new to the whole compose key concept
21:24<bremner>I have a right-windows key. that could work for compose.
21:24<k-man>yeah that should do it
21:25<k-man>can i use compose key to enter, for example the not equal symbol? or is compose mostly for accented characters?
21:26<k-man>
21:26<k-man>it's less than ideal having to remember the unicode number of a special character
21:26<bremner>man 5 Compose
21:26<bremner>basically it's configurable
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21:29<k-man>thanks
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21:34<k-man>ah, this list is useful: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libX11/plain/nls/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.pre
21:34<k-man><compose> /= -> ≠
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21:36<k-man>£
21:36<k-man>hours of fun!
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21:40<k-man>which terminal do you prefer to use?
21:40<k-man>gnome terminal seems a bit buggy with utf8 characters
21:41<k-man>when i try to edit a line with some UTF8 on it, it goes weird
21:41<bremner>hmm. I use urxvt (rxvt-unicode). xterm seems pretty good with utf8 these days too. But really I mainly display it, not edit it
21:42<ebrasca>annadane: Noting , in Arch like system it is like 5 comands and you have installed your system.
21:42<ebrasca>annadane: I need to sleep , thank you.
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22:17<ach>fuck ogg ebrasca
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22:17<ach>ff
22:18<annadane>ach, not nice, please don't
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22:44<axeon>Hey what's up?
22:44<annadane>hi axeon
22:45<axeon>What's up?
22:46<annadane>not much. do you have a question?
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22:46<axeon>No, I was just here to see if anyone has a question.
22:46<annadane>nope, pretty dead atm
22:46<axeon>:)
22:46<axeon>When is the IRC active?
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22:47<annadane>this one is less active than freenode by quite a bit, but it's obviously a bit more active during the north american day
22:47<annadane>and moreso during weekdays as opposed to weekends
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22:47<annadane>#debian on freenode does get quite a lot more activity
22:47<axeon>Yeah, I understand.
22:48<axeon>Are you guys using just plain Debian or are you using different Distros based on Debian?
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22:50<annadane>just plain debian. we tend not to support derivatives because we don't know what changes there are
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23:14<administrator>someone anywhere ?
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23:14<annadane>hi administrator
23:14<annadane>ask away
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