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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-10

---Logopened Wed Oct 10 00:00:19 2018
00:04-!-dboehmer__ [~quassel@p5DD9DF6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:04-!-dboehmer__ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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02:23<dimitri>hello
02:24<dimitri>kkk
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04:58<_kab>So my virtual machine just jumped to year 2190 I assume because the host went to standby
04:58<_kab>Usually not an issue, you can just resync with ntp or manually set the time with timedatectl
04:58<_kab>Apparently I can't: https://pastebin.com/NyHnKK1A
04:58<dreamer>how is the vm still up if the host is in standby ?
04:59<_kab>"suspend to RAM"
04:59<_kab>The copy above is from after the host went back up
05:00<_kab>A restart fixed my clock issue, but I'd like to know why I couldn't set the date to year 2018
05:00<_kab>The threshold appeared to be 2140
05:00<_kab>Couldn't go any lower than that
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05:02<dreamer>what kind of vm is it?
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05:02<_kab>VirtualBox, host is on Ubuntu 18.10, guest on Debian Stretch
05:03<_kab>The RTC was correct even when the guest's clock was messed up
05:03<_kab>18.04*
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06:53<cookins>Hey folks
06:53<arto>hi cookins
06:53<cookins>Gotta small issue with proftpd...
06:53<arto>cookins: just ask
06:58<cookins>When I login sftp I got whole Debian drive. How to limit ftp user for just one dir? I got checked limit all to their home dir in proftpd prefences. Same as user have their home dir. Still I can see whole drive. Thanks.
07:01<arto>cookins: I have not used, but found this: http://proftpd.org/docs/howto/Chroot.html
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07:02<cookins>arto: thanks dude. Appreciate.
07:03<arto>cookins: no problem!
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07:51<cookins>arto: by the way it's not helped.
07:51<cookins>Guess will try something harder.
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09:58<Synthea>When I type ls -al in a folder I get this: ?????????? ? ? ? ? ? tk6f1oC
09:58<Synthea>When I try to delete it it says that it doesn't exists, what should I do?
09:59<petn-randall>Synthea: That sounds like a broken fuse/NFS mount.
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10:02<Synthea>petn-randall, thx I've understand what was the cause
10:03<petn-randall>Synthea: Ok, what was the issue then?
10:04<Synthea>petn-randall, I was working on an sshfs instead of perform operations directly on the machine
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10:30<Human_G33k>hello, there is a way to know how many disk space will be take if i install *-dev (or other regexp) packages ?
10:30<bremner>lots
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10:34<jhutchins_wk>Human_G33k: 50,000+ packages.
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10:37<arto>aptitude show [package] tells how much it will be extracted, you could write a script which is total disk space needed
10:38<Human_G33k>jhutchins_wk, yes and ?
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10:39<arto>Human_G33k: I guess no one knows it, but I guess the sum would be *quite large'
10:39<Human_G33k>ok
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11:07<jhutchins_wk>Human_G33k: It's better to install the specicific packages you need for a specific purpose.
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11:09<Human_G33k>ok
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12:15<psyndrome>hi
12:16<arto>hi psyndrome
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12:17<psyndrome>A text file was on my desktop and i tried to place a folder with the same name and asked me to replace it why is that?
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12:19<petn-randall>psyndrome: No to entities with the same name can exist in a folder. Doesn't matter if one is a file, or a folder, or a socket, or a symlink.
12:19<petn-randall>*two
12:20<psyndrome>oh so the desktop is actually a folder?
12:21<petn-randall>psyndrome: Yes, it's just ~/Desktop.
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12:25<psyndrome>I also have a program complaining about bunch of missing directories and files
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12:28<psyndrome>https://paste.debian.net/1046770/
12:29<psyndrome>this is some kind of an example
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12:31<petn-randall>psyndrome: Standalone like this it's not really useful. What program are you trying to run? Is that the complete output?
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12:35<psyndrome>The program im using is Wine + playonlinux and this is just a small part of debug log file which is changing any time i try to install something different to help that program to just start
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12:35<psyndrome>Antihack Launcher in this case
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12:45<psyndrome>I guess its not a topic for here but the things are sometimes very connected and confusing :D
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12:50<petn-randall>psyndrome: Hard to say, you'd have to post the actual command + output to https://paste.debian.net for us to take a look at it. But as a rule of thumb, expect a lot of things not to work with wine, especially anti-cheat code in games.
12:51<psyndrome>Are those paste files delete by itself or i should do that?
12:52<petn-randall>psyndrome: If you have a close look, you can set the expiry time. By default it's 24h.
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12:57<psyndrome>Thanks a lot ill probably try to get reach a state i was at before where the program actually did started but did some check and then an error pop out
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13:03<cookins>My ftp user in webmin that I created throught System>Users and Groups can't write anything is his home dir, that located in /var/www/site
13:04<cookins>Can somebody hint me where I can set this user or this group rights to write
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13:06<kevinprada>hola
13:06<optimus>what is this place
13:06<kevinprada>hablan español
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13:07<ach>!esp
13:07<dpkg>I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
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13:11<optimus>my meterpreter sessionis not starts
13:11<ach>!you
13:11<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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13:12<blast007>optimus: are you running Kali or Parrot?
13:12<ach>!vmware cpu fail
13:12<optimus>parrot
13:12<blast007>!parrot
13:12<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:13<blast007>try their IRC channel or community pages / mailing lists
13:14<optimus>ok
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15:12<seb__>hello are, and helo you, good night
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15:14<ach>no you affirmitive is their a facebook? *hugs*
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15:15<seb__>facebook, lol is a good idear for us
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15:16<seb__>what is commit the game over ?
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15:17<ach>set affirmitive :<
15:17<petn-randall>seb__: Do you need help with Debian?
15:17<seb__>what?
15:18<seb__>l don't no, soft is Redentoralisy*
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15:19<bremner>!chat
15:19<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
15:19<seb__>Réalisy, sorry
15:19<petn-randall>seb__: Are you a machine of some kind mimicing human language?
15:19<undependent>hi people i have a question about dependencies
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15:19<undependent>is it possible to have two versions of a library installed at once separately
15:19<seb__>ok, l"m comprehensible
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15:19<bremner>undependent: if they have different package names (which is usual for different SONAMES)
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15:20<petn-randall>seb__: I'm not sure if english is a foreign language for you or if you are a bot.
15:20<undependent>a package i want to install says it requires libglib.2.0-0 (>= 2.4.0)
15:20<undependent>does that mean i currently have 2.4.0 installed?
15:21<petn-randall>undependent: At first approximation it says nothing about your installed package.
15:21<seb__>no sorry for you my english ok, yes ne very good, l'm lect only
15:21<petn-randall>undependent: If you have an actual problem installing packages, can you provide the following:
15:21<undependent>ok
15:21<petn-randall>!bat
15:21<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:21<undependent>what does (>= 2.4.0 mean
15:22<petn-randall>undependent: "larger or equal to 2.4.0"
15:22<undependent>ok
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15:23<seb__>Command on basic for the r&solution, of break, if possible
15:23<undependent>i'm trying to install from a .deb with dpkg -i
15:24<undependent>if it has missing dependencies, is it enough for me to simply get those dependencies from apt?
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15:24<petn-randall>undependent: What package are you installing with dpkg -i? There's seldom a reason to do so.
15:25<psyndrome>Hi again my log file is changed again
15:25<seb__>oh oh oh, l dont endansten your english for the d&pendencies, you say the r&solution
15:25<undependent>that's not strictly true is it
15:25<bremner>undependent: "apt install ./foo.deb" is better
15:26<undependent>what difference will that make
15:26<seb__>why?
15:26<petn-randall>seb__: Are you a bot?
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15:26<seb__>no
15:26<bremner>undependent: it resolves dependencies for you
15:26<petn-randall>seb__: Because none of your words make sense.
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15:27<petn-randall>seb__: You might want to join a support channel in your language. This is not a general chat channel.
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15:28<undependent>says i have held broken packages
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15:29<psyndrome>Here is the full tracing from the starting of the application to the error and the close of the app
15:29<psyndrome>https://paste.debian.net/1046791/
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15:29<seb__>what if your délirum in us ?
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15:31<seb__>l'm consulte
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15:34<seb__>vous spas branler la chose; fg=ais ce que tu veux
15:34<delarge>wtf
15:34<retrospectacus>!fr
15:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
15:35<seb__>french in dev and vth e raison youjr distRIB IS UNERVEL
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15:37<seb__>t depuis 25 ans
15:38<ach>!chat
15:38<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
15:38<retrospectacus>seb__: cliquez sur "X" svp
15:38<undependent>ok narrowing it down, i need a package libpng12-0:i386
15:38<undependent>but repo only has libpng16-16
15:38<seb__>X
15:39<annadane>undependent, don't just dpkg -i a random .deb package you found on the internet. what are you trying to install?
15:39<seb__>déconné pas
15:39<undependent>thats ok, i understand your concern but this is not random
15:40<retrospectacus>what is it
15:40<seb__>ys l'm see, noettore ggrikffif
15:41<ach>!LOL
15:41<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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15:42<seb__>si tu as l'oppRtu<nté
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15:47<seb__>the jeown, celui qui apporte la moRt
15:48<seb__>va& œte faire mrttre
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15:51<seb__>je suis n aprentit sous Slack
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15:58<seb__><<<<<<<<trouVE, je' ne veux rien
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16:05<undependent>i foudn the missing file here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/libpng12-0/download
16:05<undependent>but if i just download it, how do i link it up to apt
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16:06<retrospectacus>undependent: same way bremner mentioned to you before but it's a bad idea
16:07<undependent>but this isn't a .deb
16:07<retrospectacus>if you want to use old software, consider a virtual machine with a proper install of an old release
16:07<undependent>well i just need one lib now
16:07<undependent>which is hosted here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/libpng12-0/download
16:07<undependent>but how do i connect the lib to the repo
16:08<retrospectacus>Click any of these links and you will get a deb file
16:08<undependent>ah ok
16:08<retrospectacus>The small text at the top tells you how to do it using apt
16:08<undependent>got it
16:10<seb__>yes aolo my début, l'm 42
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16:11<seb__>fuck all
16:12<annadane>!ops seb spam
16:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
16:12<seb__>^^
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16:12<retrospectacus>spam? or just old fashioned idiocy
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16:13<undependent>it worked, thanks everyone
16:13<undependent>happy days
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16:20<blast007>undependent: are you running Debian Jessie?
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16:22<undependent>no
16:22<undependent>stretch
16:22<blast007>then you don't want to be installing Jessie packages
16:23<undependent>i know, but this one package relied on a version that wasn't in stretch
16:23<blast007>then run it in a VM
16:23<undependent>no thanks
16:24<blast007>!don't break debian
16:24<dpkg>somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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16:24<undependent>it isn't broken
16:24<blast007>not yet
16:24<undependent>its one library, with a different name to the stretch version
16:24<undependent>one program relies on it
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16:25<blast007>one library compiled against other Jessie libraries
16:26<undependent>it didn't pull in any dependencies
16:30<blast007>did you install it with dpkg?
16:32<undependent>ya
16:32<blast007>for instance, it does depend on libc6 and zlib, and I have no idea if newer versions of those binary libs will work with the old binary for libpng
16:33<undependent>but i have libpng16-16 also installed
16:33<undependent>and, this is libpng12:i386
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16:39<retrospectacus>I guess you can break your system if you want, just don't ask here for help fixing it
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16:39<undependent>you're right i can
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16:40<undependent>but not doing exactly what you tell me does not = breaking my system
16:40<undependent>i got my emulator working. gens... the one in the repos, dgen, doesn't work
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16:40<undependent>i understand the concern for caution
16:40<undependent>thanks for your guidance and help
16:40<retrospectacus>it will work until the next upgrade
16:41<undependent>then what will happen
16:41<retrospectacus>or until it tries to do something that the new ABI does not handle
16:41<retrospectacus>If you're lucky, it will just get removed
16:41<undependent>it isn't conflicting with anything
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16:49<mnuhmnuh>it's real easy to break your system if you don't do the research. i just broke mine by blindly installing and enabling compiz. now, can't pass rescue login.
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16:49<jhutchins_wk>undependent: You may have the skills to manage this properly. We have to be pretty harsh about mixing packages, because in general it DOES eventually break the system, and most of the people at this level of knowledge can't keep it from breaking or fix it when it does. Usually it means a clean install and probable dta loss.
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16:50<undependent>i do understand the need to be harsh about this sort of thing
16:51<undependent>i have broken many a system myself
16:52<somiaj>also better to learn proper ways to deal with mixing, such as building your own packages/backports if none are available.
16:53<undependent>yeah that's a good point. this is a fresh install so i'm not too worried but i think in this case as it is literally one library, and only one package that relies on it
16:53<undependent>i might be ok
16:56<undependent>anyway thanks guys, until next time
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17:42<david_>buenas nochas
17:42<david_>buenas noches
17:43<david_>bueno acá ya se obscureció porque está nublado
17:43<mnuhmnuh>!es
17:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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22:09<my> How to query the memory manufacturer
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22:10<awal1>my, "query memory manufacturer" means?
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22:12<awal1>memory card he meant i guess
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22:33<somiaj>lshw lists most info about ones hardware
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22:41<wolfs1>can you help me please ?
22:42<annadane>wolfs1, sure
22:43<wolfs1>i use parrot os and the tor browser don't open
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22:44<wolfs1>i use in live mode with persistence
22:44<my>How to query memory information
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22:45<annadane>my, maybe lshw
22:45<annadane>!parrot
22:45<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:45<annadane>wolfs1, ^
22:46<wolfs1>thanks
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22:54<mnuhmnuh>my: free
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22:59<awal1>my, check the /sys directory
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23:00<geoffs>hi all, I'm build a deb package to manage personal distribution of an app I
23:00<geoffs>built, and I noticed that apt thinks it always needs to be updated. That is, if
23:00<geoffs>I install say version 0.2.0-1 of my-package, and then immediately call `apt
23:00<geoffs>install my-package` I get `the following packages will be upgraded: my-package
23:01<geoffs>...<snip>... Unpacking my package my-package (0.2.0-1) over (0.2.0-1)`. any
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23:03<ach>!paste
23:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
23:04<annadane>well !paste is really for console output
23:04<ach>!tutors
23:04<annadane>just state your question in one line
23:04<geoffs>yeah, I was trying to. my editor broke it into multiple lines and I pasted without thinking about it...
23:05<geoffs>any ideas on what I might be doing wrong, or what to look at?
23:05<ach>!apt
23:05<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
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23:06<annadane>ach _please_ stop spamming dpkg
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23:07<annadane>you can just /msg it
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23:08<annadane>i'm not sure, geoffs. i'd see what apt-cache policy has to say about your package
23:09<geoffs>thanks annadane, I'll look into that
23:09<ach>!cruelz
23:12<annadane>or it may be in some sort of half installed state, if you apt update it will tell you something like x number of packages not installed or removed
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23:13<annadane>maybe dpkg --configure nameofpackage is the way to go
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23:17<annadane>geoffs, also, try not to post your question in multiple places
23:18<geoffs>will do
23:21<annadane>or it's also possible there's something screwy with your package's install scripts
23:21<annadane>i'd probably post those to paste.debian.net so we can look at them if none of my prior solutions worked
23:21<Osmel>geoffs: Did you try apt install /path/to/the/package.deb ?
23:23<geoffs>I bet it's the install scripts :) I totally hacked those together by hand and am likely doing something insane
23:24<geoffs>Osmel: I have installed the package with `dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb` didn't know you could use apt with a path like that
23:24<Osmel>geoffs: Try and tell us.
23:25<geoffs>I don't see anything that seems wrong with `apt-cache policy`, and `dpkg --configure` reported that it was already installed.
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23:25<geoffs>I'll put all the output up in a paste, and my install scripts in another
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23:26<Osmel>geoffs: You can also try dpkg -E -i package.deb (-E --skip-same-version)
23:27<geoffs>outputs of annadane's suggestions: https://pastebin.com/YDFqVk31
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23:27<annadane>for future reference, we do prefer paste.debian.ne
23:27<annadane>t
23:27<annadane>!pastebin.com
23:27<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
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23:28<geoffs>ah, good to know
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23:30<geoffs>and here's my `postinst` script. I forgot this package actually doesn't really do anything in the install scripts http://paste.debian.net/1046826/
23:31<geoffs>the "application" is really just static web files and an nginx config, hence restarting nginx
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23:33<geoffs>it occurs to me that maybe doing `set -e` in the postinst script is a bad idea?
23:35<annadane>i'm taking a gander through the debian policy for scripts
23:35<annadane>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html if you want to find anything faster than me
23:37<geoffs>hmm, I see this right at the top "For shell scripts this means that you almost always need to use set -e"
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23:39<geoffs>and that command runs fine on the system. the output during install doesn't seem to indicate it's failing either
23:40<annadane> /var/log/dpkg.log might have some hints
23:43<geoffs>Osmel: just saw your suggestion. I think that will work, but I'm really trying to set up a user triggerable app update mechanism using apt
23:45<geoffs>annadane: dpkg.log does have some interesting output. but I'm not quite sure what to make of it: http://paste.debian.net/1046827/
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23:46<annadane>well if the last line says "installed" then it indicates it did its job properly so idk what the issue is, still.
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23:49<geoffs>ah, I was wondering if the "half-configured" lines might indicate an issue, but that makes sense.
23:49<annadane>no, half-configured is normal
23:50<Osmel>geoffs: But, Where is the 0.3.0-1 coming from?
23:51<geoffs>Osmel: I released a new version to make sure the issue was still happening. I built the 0.2.0-4 several months ago
23:51<Osmel>geoffs: Ohh, thanks.
23:56<geoffs>also, in case this is helpful, I build the package essentially by gathering the source files into a folder, and calling `dpkg-deb --build /path/to/folder /path/to/package_<version-etc>.deb`
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