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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-11

---Logopened Thu Oct 11 00:00:20 2018
00:01<geoffs>thanks for your suggestions annadane and Osmel. Since the package works I'm going to table this for now before I go craaazy
00:01<ach>!ok
00:03<ach>thanks for muse
00:03<Osmel>geoffs: Did you try to ckech the package with lintian package.deb ?
00:04<annadane>geoffs, also despite what i said about crossposting try #packaging i guess
00:04<annadane>oh, yeah. lintian
00:04<annadane>i should've thought of that
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00:04<geoffs>I have not. that sounds like a really good idea :D
00:05<Osmel>geoffs: maybe you get some interesting output
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00:06<Osmel>geoffs: Just install lintian if you don't have it.
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00:08<geoffs>heh, there are quite a few problems found
00:08<Osmel>geoffs: It could be the procedure during the build process.
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00:12<geoffs>Osmel: definitely could be. my app is a clojurescript web app, and I wrote my own plugin to automate building everything and then calling `dpkg-deb`
00:12<geoffs>So, the lintian output is here: http://paste.debian.net/1046829/
00:13<annadane>yeah, ok. lesson learned: always recommend lintian first when dealing with these kinds of problems (because even if we spot one problem, it's just safer so lintian can spot others)
00:13<geoffs>Some of those errors seem like policy violations that shouldn't cause this. I wonder about the md5sums-lists-nonexistent-file and no-priority-field though
00:14<annadane>of course, if you don't intend to actually package *for* debian some of the lintian output may not apply
00:14<Osmel>geoffs: Nice, you should try to fix each Error, there is a lot of documentation about. We can help anyway
00:14<annadane>for reference, the channel for help packaging things for the debian archive is #debian-mentors, for general packaging it's #packaging
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00:15<Osmel>geoffs: #debian-mentors sounds great
00:16<annadane>!new maintainer's guide
00:16<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
00:17<geoffs>cool. I'm not intending to get this package included in the debian archives, just for personal distribution
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00:38<Osmel>geoffs: There is a possibility that those Errors are not the cause of your problem.
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06:00<Cerebral>Hello.
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06:00<Cerebral>Is Debian non-rolling or half-rolling?
06:01<peter1138>It does not roll.
06:05<fphome>Cerebral: stable is fixed, testing and unstable are rolling
06:07<petn-randall>testing/sid are *not* a rolling release, as they don't get enough QA. They are pre-release. That's an important distinction.
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06:14<Cerebral>And why isnt Debian Stable considered a rolling or half-rolling release?
06:15<petn-randall>Cerebral: Because there's nothing that rolls. It just gets security updates and other fixes for grave bugs after release, no feature updates.
06:17<Cerebral>A frind says it s half-rolling cause it needs a change in ther sources.list every couple of years.
06:17<petn-randall>Cerebral: That's not true, and doesn't make sense.
06:18<Cerebral>Thats what i said.
06:18<petn-randall>Cerebral: You can *upgrade* from one release to the next, but that has nothing to do with rolling or not.
06:20<Cerebral>I see.
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06:25<peter1138>You can upgrade without a full reinstall. That's not a rolling release, though.
06:26<petn-randall>Cerebral: Kali is an example of a rolling release. They'll constantly update packages and libraries, which of course comes with a high risk of breaking other packages. So you really can't rely on a particular piece of software to work all of the time. The "advantage" is that you've constantly got the latest stuff.
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06:26<e-lary>the topics
06:27<e-lary>who is around here
06:27<petn-randall>Cerebral: So if something's broken in Kali, you can report it and someone will eventually fix it. With Debian testing/sid this is not the case. It can be that it's broken due to a library transition, and that it won't be fixed until that's through.
06:27<petn-randall>e-lary: Do you have a Debian support question?
06:28<Cerebral>petn-randall: I kinda see thanks.
06:28<e-lary>yeah how can i use command prompts in Parrot
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06:28<Cerebral>If i wanted a rolling Debian would i just go with testing?
06:28<e-lary>like Does Sudo also work in Parrot like in ubuntu
06:28<Cerebral>And unstable repo on a lower pin?
06:29<petn-randall>e-lary: Try asking in the right channel. This is a Debian support channel, not a Parrot support channel.
06:29<petn-randall>!parrot
06:29<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
06:29<petn-randall>Cerebral: If you want a rolling release, you'd pick a distro that supports that.
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06:30<Cerebral>petn-randall: I see.
06:30<e-lary>thank you
06:30<petn-randall>Cerebral: You can run testing/sid, and that's completely fine, though it comes with no guarantees that it works. You're willingly beta-testing the upcoming release, and you'd do that to report and/or fix bugs in it.
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06:31<Cerebral>I see.
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06:32<petn-randall>Cerebral: If you want newer software, that's where you'd use stretch-backports.
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06:43<Synthea>I cannot manage to git clone https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/?h=linux-4.9.y, someone can help me?
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06:44<Synthea>I want to clone the 4.9 version of the linux kernel
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06:51<jm_>you clone the repository then checkout the 4.9 version
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11:48<ach>?
11:48<ach>!esp
11:48<dpkg>I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
11:49<ach>!well
11:49<ach>!meal
11:49<dpkg>That's a deep subject, ach.
11:52<mnuhmnuh>ach: "/msg dpkg $whatever", and it talks only to you. go to town.
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12:22<nyov>what could be the reason for an apt gpg error ("InRelease: The following signatures were invalid"), other than an invalid key?
12:22<nyov>apt spouts an "E: The repository... InRelease' is not signed." but I manually verified the InRelease file using /etc/apt/trusted.gpg as the keyring, and it's ok
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12:25<nyov>repo also works on another system, and I think I did a thorough crosscheck of the key between those systems
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12:27<arto>nyov:https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/387053/debian-9-apt-and-gpg-error-inrelease-the-following-signatures-were-inva
12:28<arto>oh, end was truncated away, but I guess you find it
12:29<nyov>ah! no more SHA1
12:29<nyov>thanks, arto
12:29<arto>nyov: yw
12:29<nyov>i was wondering if it had something to do with the working system still having jessie, while the "broken" one using stretch
12:30<nyov>... dang
12:31<arto>nyov: I don't even remember reading about this in stretch relase notes
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12:33<arto>nyov: but my memory, would not count on it :)
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12:42<nyov>it makes sense to consider SHA1 broken. I just didn't actually check the file header hash for that %) only saw the 'BEGIN SIGNED MESSAGE' header
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12:42<nyov>but apt's error message is rather ugly in that regard. thing was obviously signed
12:42<arto>usually there are good reason when Debian does something
12:43<nyov>if only it could be less vague about those reasons ;)
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12:44<arto>nyov: well espesiall this year, littel sharpeningn might have needed
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13:07<nyov>can aptitude show package lists by repository?
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13:14<mnuhmnuh>i wonder if debtags can do that.
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13:19<retrospectacus>See <which repo> and related factoids for ridiculous apt search commands and scripts
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13:21<nyov>well, i used the "new" package hack in aptitude now. seems <which repo> has no idea how to list all packages of only a specific repo
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13:22<nyov>but has some scripting possibilities that look interesting
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14:25<grummund>what's the right way to start/stop/enable/disable a service, not knowing if it is managed via /etc/init.d or systemd ?
14:25<bytes>systemctl can handle either case.
14:26<Osmel>grummund: systemctl (status|start|stop|reload) service
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14:27<grummund>ok, great. thanks :)
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14:28<Osmel>grummund: systemctl (status|start|stop|reload|restart|enable|disable) service for example
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14:39<grummund>so the 'service' command is defunct now?
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14:48<mnuhmnuh>"service network-manager --status" --> "Usage: /etc/init.d/network-manager {start|stop|restart|force-reload|status}"
14:49<mnuhmnuh>service network-manager status shows same output as systemctl shows.
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14:50<kiteless>If I've sent a question to debian-user@lists.debian.org, should I expect a direct reply?
14:51<grummund>mnuhmnuh: but it seems 'service' command will not accept enable/disable, right?
14:51<mnuhmnuh>kiteless: not unless you've cc'd yourself.
14:52<kiteless>Ok, how soon after posting will it become searchable online?
14:52<mnuhmnuh>grummund: appears so.
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14:53<azamet>hello all im new in linux can anybody PLS help me
14:54<kiteless>With what?
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14:54<azamet>i have linux KDE installed on my windows laptop i dont have dualboot i only have linux but the problem is i cant change the manuel proxy settings if i change and save it and go to another menu and come back again to manuel proxy settings i see it is not saved and it is on default again
14:55<azamet>im new on linux but linux haves soooooooo many problems without end! every second comes another problem i need help man
14:55<danopa>azamet: windows laptop with only linux? what does that mean?
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14:56<kiteless>It means (s)he's not dual booting
14:56<azamet>i dont know everybody is doing dual boot i just saying that i have only linux on my windows laptop to inform u maybe it helps im noob
14:57<danopa>kiteless: what is a windows laptop? an acutal windows branded computer?
14:57<azamet>i mean MSI laptop
14:57<at0m>azamet: you installed linux on the windows partition? or an a free partition on that disk?
14:57<azamet>no i did clean install
14:57<kiteless>danopa don't be obtuse
14:57<azamet>sorry for my bad english
14:58<danopa>kiteless: thanks for clearing that up for me. yikes
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14:58<at0m>azamet: dont be sorry, i think we understand. so, clean install, means you wiped the windows and installed linux on that partition.
14:58<mnuhmnuh>azamet: what name of distribution did you install? debian?
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14:59<azamet>i just downloaded the Kali linux KDE from the official site and make a bootable usb and wipe everything and install it im very noob if u need any information pls say me what i have to put to terminal and i give u
14:59<mnuhmnuh>!kali
14:59<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
15:00<azamet>i just want to learn linux but if everything gives problem i cant learn it if i get this OS work without error i will start buy books or something like that to learn it
15:00<azamet>!kali
15:00<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
15:00<azamet>so what should i do to fix it did i install wrong linux? the KDE interface was good actually
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15:01<mnuhmnuh>azamet: "Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/"
15:01<at0m>azamet: kali is not meant to run installed as main OS. i suggest you install one of the main distributions, like debian, or hell why not, ubuntu
15:01<bytes>azamet: if you want to learn linux, don't start with kali. pick debian or ubuntu.
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15:01<at0m>^
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15:02<azamet>but in internet they r saying with kali linux we can do so many things wich ubuntu cannot do hard or easy is not problem for me my problem is to fix that problem first before i start learning
15:02<bytes>what things?
15:02<at0m>azamet: when your network doesnt work, you're not going very far
15:02<azamet>i dont know what things if i will learn it i can answer that question but how can i fix that problem first :D
15:03<kiteless>Also, azamet, if you want to learn Linux, don't expect everything to go smoothly. That's part of the experience of learning in general. Specifically, with linux, it is powerful because there are lots of different ways to do things, so there are many ways things can go wrong. Accept it.
15:03<azamet>if my network is not working how do i chat with u :d
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15:03<azamet>okay im accepting it but i cant change my proxy right now wich is very stupid :d
15:03<at0m>azamet: ok so it's the proxy that is not remembered/saved
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15:04<kiteless>azamet, get ready to start over many times. Start over this time with Debian or Ubuntu
15:04<at0m>+1
15:04<grummund>azamet: this channel is for debian, if you insist on kali try in that channel, please.
15:04<Osmel>azamet: What desktop environment are you using? Gnome?
15:04<azamet>to start with debian or ubuntu i need to learn how to create bootable usb on kali linux it is long story for me now :D
15:04<Osmel>geoffs: Ohh, thanks.
15:05<azamet>how to find my desktop enviromnment?
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15:05<azamet>huh?
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15:06<Osmel>azamet: Clean Install of Kali Linux?
15:06<GhostReborn>hi
15:06<mnuhmnuh>azamet: it's kde, yes?
15:06<azamet>i did clean install
15:06<azamet>kde yes
15:06<grummund>azamet: please ask in #kali on irc.freenode.net
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15:06<at0m>azamet: see, you're trying to run before you can walk. first, take time to learn how to walk. with a distribution (debian and ubuntu were suggested) that works for you. which doesn't need you to fix it first.
15:07<balohack>Hi my hackers friends
15:07<bytes>another one. ^^
15:07<balohack>kkksksksk
15:07<mnuhmnuh>#kali-linux is what dpkg says.
15:07<azamet>how to change the room to kali linux?
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15:07<at0m>azamet: see, you're trying to run before you can walk. first, take time to learn how to walk. with a distribution (debian and ubuntu were suggested) that works for you. which doesn't need you to fix it first.
15:07<balohack>how i'm configure no ip >_> in parrot
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15:08<at0m>balohack: what distribution?
15:08<mnuhmnuh>azamet: connect to freenode (chat.freenode.net) or http://forums.kali.org/
15:08<balohack>one second
15:08<balohack>Mate
15:08<mnuhmnuh>!parrot
15:08<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:08<Osmel>azamet: Can you type commands using the terminal?
15:09<at0m>balohack: parrot? not debian
15:09<balohack>ah ok
15:09<balohack>sorry
15:09<balohack>debian
15:09<balohack>>_>
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15:09<at0m>!next
15:09<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:09<azamet>im on freenode but it is not connecting
15:10<GhostReborn>Guys ... one small question ....
15:10<azamet>it says something . /join
15:10<GhostReborn>Where is a guide to learn debian?
15:10<GhostReborn>I'm a complete newbie.
15:10<GhostReborn>And I ended up finding out about IRC by luck.
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15:10<Osmel>azamet: Can you type some commands using the terminal?
15:10<azamet>yes i can
15:11<mnuhmnuh>try /help nickserv or identify
15:11<azamet>say me i copy it
15:11<Osmel>GhostReborn: There is a lot to learn, depend what you need.
15:12<Osmel>azamet: Can you give the output of "ls /usr/bin/*session" without the double quotes
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15:12<GhostReborn>I'm a complete newbie.....multiplied by 10..
15:12<grummund>azamet: if you on freenode network please join #freenode and ask there, this has nothing to do with #debian.
15:12<Osmel>GhostReborn: Just to begin using Debian is a good start.
15:12<bytes>GhostReborn: you can start with the FAQ and pick what you want to learn about. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/
15:12<azamet>this is what i get
15:12<azamet> /usr/bin/dbus-run-session
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15:13<azamet>what should i do with this?
15:14<bytes>huh, the faq hasn't been updated for stretch?
15:14<Osmel>azamet: That's the only output, the full line that you get?
15:14<grummund>azamet: -------> http://forums.kali.org/ <------
15:14<azamet>this is the only thing what i get from that command
15:14<Osmel>azamet: Ok
15:14<azamet>is it bad?
15:14<azamet>should we do private chat?
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15:15<Osmel>azamet: The output is not bad.
15:16<azamet>okay but what do i need to do now?
15:16<azamet>this code is not fixing my problem :D
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15:19<mnuhmnuh>azamet: http://forums.kali.org/ would be a bandaid fix, re-install with debian would be better, and supportable by us, solution. kali --> http://forums.kali.org/
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15:20<kiteless>I tried submitting a question to debian-user@lists.debian.org on Oct 9th, but it hasn't shown up in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/10/threads.html . I must be doing something obviously wrong but for the life of me I don't know what it is.
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15:21<kiteless>Do I have to be subscribed to a list before a question submitted to the list actually will be accepted?
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15:22<bremner>no
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15:23<kiteless>There doesn't seem to be a delay. I see more recent posts up online. So maybe I got greylisted out and my company mailserver just didn't redeliver or something?
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15:24<bremner>or your post just got dropped as spam for $reasons. Do you have a copy of the sent message?
15:24<kiteless>Are there human moderators that have to screen the emails and mine just got dropped?
15:24<kiteless>Yeah I have a copy. I could resend.
15:25<kiteless>I just didn't want to spam the list if I'm missing something obvious.
15:25<bremner>well, you could resend, or you ask on #debian-lists with the message-id and the date and time, and maybe someone can see what happened
15:25<kiteless>Ok, I'll try that first
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15:28<archer>Trying to close my terminal and its prompting me that a process is still running and I would have to kill it. How do I determine what process that is?
15:33<mnuhmnuh>kiteless: subscribe to whitelist@$research.debian.org
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15:33<bremner>that's an odd address
15:33<kiteless>Is the dollar sign a typo?
15:35<mnuhmnuh>perl variable. you look up the subscribe address; i've forgotten what it is.
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15:39<mnuhmnuh>http://lists.debian.org/whitelist/
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15:41<kiteless>Ok, I just signed up there
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17:56<grummund>Hi, dhcp server fails to die when stopped - https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a68e4ba2 - anyone have an idea why?
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18:06<itd>grummund: kill dhcpd, remove the old pid file and try again? (service failed to start -> it is not running -> no need to stop it?)
18:06<grummund>ps shows it is running
18:07<itd>service != process
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18:34<mnuhmnuh>systemctl restart dhcpd
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18:36<mnuhmnuh>systemctl stop isc-dhcp-server ?
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18:38<grummund>it fails to start properly for some reason, however the pid file is created and matches the running process.
18:39<grummund>systemctl stop isc-dhcp-server fails to kill it
18:39<grummund>systemctl restart isc-dhcp-server complains it is already running
18:40<mnuhmnuh>service stop isc-dhcp-server ?
18:41<grummund>"service isc-dhcp-server stop" also fails to kill it. in fact no output from that.
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18:41<mnuhmnuh>pkill dhcpd
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18:42<grummund>yes that kills it
18:43<mnuhmnuh>rm /var/run/dhcpd.pid
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18:45<grummund>yes, it can be manually killed and the pid file removed. not sure how that helps though?
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18:46<mnuhmnuh>i was just wondering if pkill was magical enough to know to rm the pid file itself. it knows it just killed it, so ...
18:47<mrbeanie>hi
18:47<mrbeanie>Are you interested in cyber security?
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18:47<mnuhmnuh>got my own, tx.
18:48<itd>mrbeanie: Depends. kali, parrot or debian?
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18:48<mrbeanie>my os kali
18:49<itd>dpkg: tell mrbeanie -about kali
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18:53<itd>grummund: What complains that "it"(?) is already running? dhcpd or systemd?
18:54<grummund>itd: i believe it's the init.d script that reports it.
18:55<grummund>itd: although i fixed the reason why it would not start up properly and now the issue is solved, it can be started and stopped at will.
18:56<itd>hooray :)
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18:58<SuperDome>whooookadooo
19:00<mnuhmnuh>apropos whooookadooo - whooookadooo: nothing appropriate.
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19:00<SuperDome>just fucking dissapered or wtf
19:02<SuperDome>you dont even know
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19:02<grummund>can systemctl be made more verbose whe starting/stopping a service?
19:03<grummund>calling /etc/init.d/foo directly emits "[ ok ] Starting/Stopping service ..."
19:03<grummund>but systemctl is silent.
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19:08<mrbeanie>Do you know a nice forum where I can hang out in the dark web
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19:13<kiteless>I think a public IRC channel which has searchable logs in Google would be a really cool place to discuss that!
19:13<mnuhmnuh>mrbeanie: download an iso of tails to a usbkey (8 gb recommended) and boot it. all tor'd up from the get go, debian derivative/downstream based on sid.
19:14<itd>mrbeanie: Try this: '/msg dpkg kali' and join that channel. And tell them to update the default IRC channel.
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19:28<mnuhmnuh>grummund: systemctl status ...
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19:31<grummund>mnuhmnuh: that is after the fact and very verbose.
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21:37<mnuhmnuh>what is a "Beanbag Emulation Device"? some usb message in dmesg.
21:38<mnuhmnuh>Formosa21 Beanbag Emulation Device
21:40<mnuhmnuh>ah yes, mceusb.
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23:11<maxrazer>Well I just tried to run the MellowPlayer appimage from their website and it won't run, so not that great.
23:13<maxrazer>It just blinks a window on the screen and disapears, similar to the Snap for Spotify.
23:15<maxrazer>On a general note I've noticed Gnome desktop always causes audio stuttering on my system and I have a high performance computer. Simple window managers don't do that.
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23:19<Osmel>maxrazer: It Seems to be working for me
23:19<maxrazer>Osmel, It is a problem I've had with all versions. Nothing new.
23:20<maxrazer>It also does it not just with integrated RealTek sound, but even a dedicated SoundBlaster card I bought.
23:20<maxrazer>But, just fine in DWM, IceWM, and XFCE too I believe.
23:21<maxrazer>It causes an occasional audio glitch like static which is a super quick stutter.
23:22<maxrazer>Actually I found a post somewhere about changing a Pulse Audio server setting which might fix it. I think I like to not use Pulse Audio though.
23:23<maxrazer>Osmel, This may be the post: https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/20/stuttering-audio-in-linux-pulseaudio-strikes-again/
23:25<Osmel>maxrazer: So, what is your main concern. Sound issues, or MellowPlayer not working?
23:26<maxrazer>Osmel, I pretty much decided I'll just give up and ignore the MellowPlayer when it didn't work.
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23:26<maxrazer>I don't really need help with the sound issue, but I think people should be aware of it.
23:27<maxrazer>It is pretty ridiculous I think.
23:27<maxrazer>It may be something about my system. On windows it did the same thing unless I set power management to performance instead of energy efficient mode. But I don't know how that would be done on Linux or if that is the same cause.
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23:28<Osmel>maxrazer: Got it, but just as an opinion, most of the times that I face that kind of situation there is something that I am missing, and finally find a solution.
23:29<maxrazer>Osmel, I'm not totally sure what the issue is. I'm not using pulse audio now which avoids it and I also don't use Firefox which requires pulse audio.
23:29<Osmel>maxrazer: So your are using only alsa
23:29<maxrazer>Yes
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23:30<Osmel>maxrazer: And with alsa, the same happen or not?
23:31<maxrazer>Osmel, Actually now I'm not totally sure if switching to Alsa alone fixes it, because when I install those desktops that use Pulse Audio it installs pulse audio. But, if I don't have pulse audio and don't use those desktops there is no issue I know for sure.
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23:32<maxrazer>If I just do a basic no desktop install and install xorg and a window manager then audio works fine.
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23:33<Osmel>maxrazer: Can you give me some info about your sound card?
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23:34<maxrazer>I have an integrated Realtek ALC1220 and a Sound Blaster Audigy 5 RX.
23:35<Osmel>maxrazer: Both at the time?
23:35<maxrazer>The Realtek is integrated. I bought the Sound Blaster to see if dedicated sound would fix the problem. It did not.
23:36<maxrazer>They are both active at the same time, but Alsa can only use one. It defaults to the Realtek.
23:36<maxrazer>I'd have to edit a config to use the soundblaster with ALSA and haven't done that yet.
23:37<Osmel>maxrazer: Ok, so if you get the same issue with any of both cards, the problem is somewhere else.
23:40<maxrazer>Osmel, Yeah, I'm not sure, but I suspect some motherboard issue almost because like I said the same thing happened in Windows until I figured out I had to set Windows to performance mode. It was power saver mode by default.
23:40<maxrazer>Set the power profile to High Performance.
23:40<Osmel>maxrazer: Looks like power supply not enough.
23:41<maxrazer>Osmel, I don't think so, I got more than needed I'm pretty sure.
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23:42<maxrazer>Ok, so in windows "High Performance" doesn't lower the CPU's speed when it isn't being used.
23:42<maxrazer>So, maybe it is something like my CPU power saving is interfering with audio going through the CPU/motherboard.
23:42<maxrazer>I believe I have a 7700k, so it is a robust CPU though.
23:43<maxrazer>Deezer is working fine in Chromium with IceWM in Debian Unstable.
23:44<Osmel>maxrazer: Mmmm, well we have the CPU Scaling Governor in linux that is something like, but I dont think that will help, Linux Kernel does a good Jod already
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23:47<Osmel>maxrazer: An easy test, is to have an USB audio stick or USB Speakers that you can try and check if you get the issue
23:48<maxrazer>Osmel, How would that be different than the Sound Blaster card?
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23:48<Osmel>maxrazer: Sound Blaster looks like more professional, look What kernel Version do you have?
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23:50<maxrazer>Linux debian 4.18.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.18.10-2 (2018-10-07) x86_64 GNU/Linu
23:53<Osmel>maxrazer: That may be good enough. Another Test can be to try a different Kernel like liquorix https://liquorix.net/ for example, so you can discard.
23:53<maxrazer>Osmel, Oh, I've never heard of that.
23:55<Osmel>maxrazer: I have tried before in some multimedia oriented machine and you can notice the difference.
23:55<maxrazer>Oh, is the kernel tuned for server if you don't install desktop environment during install?
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23:55<maxrazer>I've had the same issue with Fedora actually and that is right with a regular install.
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23:55<Osmel>maxrazer: Don't know about that.
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23:56<maxrazer>Yeah, so at least it isn't the cause. but I've heard of linux distros that did that. Tuned for server if you didn't install a desktop or something like that. Well I installed after.
23:56<maxrazer>I'll bookmark the kernel. It might be interesting either way. thanks
23:56<Osmel>maxrazer: It will improve performance
23:57<Osmel>maxrazer: And also consume a bit more, nothing important.
23:58<Osmel>maxrazer: you can installed and try, anyway you can always remove it if you there are no results.
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