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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-13

---Logopened Sat Oct 13 00:00:23 2018
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02:52<m_g_lewis>When I try to run a GUI program from a terminal as root I get "qxcbconnection could not connect to display 0"...what is wrong?
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03:05<m_g_lewis>Nick color test...
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03:08<m_g_lewis>Nick color test...
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03:11<nyov>m_g_lewis: don't run it as root
03:11<nyov>root has no access to your X server session
03:12<m_g_lewis>nyov: I need to run some programs as root to get them to work (luckybackup)...in Linux Mint 19 Tara I can do it...it's based on buster...
03:13<nyov>then you need to use sudo or some means of propagating your user environment to the X application you're trying to run
03:15<m_g_lewis>nyov: How do I do that? I log in to a terminal as root and try to run "krusader" and that is when I get the error message...
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03:18<nyov>m_g_lewis: run a user-shell/terminal instead, and then use "sudo krusader". This may or may not work depending on your existing configuration of sudo
03:20<m_g_lewis>nyov: OK, I'll try that...
03:21<m_g_lewis>nyov: melvin is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
03:21<nyov>if it doesn't work, you'll have to configure your /etc/sudoers file
03:22<m_g_lewis>nyov: OK, I'll google that and get back afer I configure that...Thanks...
03:23<nyov>or: `adduser melvin sudo`
03:23<m_g_lewis>OK
03:23<nyov>without the quotes (and as root)
03:23<nyov>then you may need to relogin to your desktop, after which you should have sudo access
03:25<m_g_lewis>OK, Thanks again...
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03:28<at0m>m_g_lewis: for what it's worth, i may not be the only one to think root has no business running desktop programs
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03:38<m_g_lewis>That worked...now I can run sudo krusader and the GUI application starts...Thanks!
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05:00<nobelheaven>Hello,world!
05:00<nobelheaven>Is anybody here?
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05:01<nyov>((sound of wind blowing tumbleweed through the desert))
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05:03<arto>nyov: in Debian?
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05:09<nyov>arto: apparently people are certain the channel is deserted after less than a minute of sticking around
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05:15<arto>nyov: ok, that way :)
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05:37<arto>amnesia_: hi, just ask if it is about Debian
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08:12<dragon12>how can i allow only net group connect to the internet?
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08:32<substreamz>5:25]<substreamz> Help me Out I want to establish obfs4 bridges connect like if tor is censored
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09:11<dragon12>I want to restrict access some programs to filesystem such as nginx, znc, postfix, dovecot etc. For example, if we have running uwsgi, nginx and Tor on my server, then uwsgi should be ran in the its own sandbox, nginx should be also sandboxed and belong to the net group and finally all traffic from a net group should be routed over Tor. Only tor user should have access to the public internet. How can I do this?
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09:14<egy>substreamz: if you're looking for web browsing, then TBB (Tor Browser Bundle) has a built-in interface to enable and choose bridges. Otherwise, you'll need to have a look at /etc/torrc and #tor @ OFTC network
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09:37<nyov>where would I report a bug against salsa? there doesn't seem to be a debian.salsa.org pseudo? https://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages
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09:40<bremner>nyov: I think you can file an issue on salsa
09:41<nyov>bremner: assuming I have an account on salsa, where would I do that?
09:42<bremner>dunno. #alioth is the place for salsa support
09:42<nyov>ok
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10:30<pamaury_>hi, I have a practical question: I am trying to report a bug with reportbug, but it seem gmail is blocking any attempt to send an email with STMP (it says "login using the web interface" but it doesn't change anything). Any tip/idea on how to proceed?
10:31<bremner>pamaury_: you can configure reportbug to use direct smtp submission to a debian server
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10:33<bremner>pamaury_: there is also documentation on using gmail at https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug?action=show&redirect=ReportBug
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10:34<pamaury_>bremner: I followed the gmail specific instructions for reportbug but it doesn't work for me, gmail is blocking the connection attempt. Your suggestion to use direct smtp submission sounds interesting, is it documented somewhere?
10:35<bremner>in /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.Users.gz
10:37<pamaury_>thanks, I will have a look
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11:01<romo>Hey guys, I'm on a fresh 9.5 install. After completing netinst I did run apt-get update|upgrade|dist-upgrade and got 'possible missing firmware': https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9a18ba57/ network is still up though.
11:01<romo>Afterwards I tried to install my nvidia GT 1030 according to the debian wiki via backports (worked before) and got this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/75f20973/
11:01<romo>Could you take a look?
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11:08<Osmel>romo: You need to activate non-free in your sources.list and then install firmware-realtek
11:10<mnuhmnuh>romo: aptitude search firmware, and you'll need contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list - decide if any of the firmware mentioned relate to the device mentioning missing firmware.
11:10<Osmel>romo: Add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list then apt update && apt install firmware-realtek
11:11<mnuhmnuh>^^
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11:13<Osmel>romo: In Your file /etc/apt/sources.lit at the end of each line containing something like this "stretch main contrib" add the non-free like this "stretch main contrib non-free"
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11:18<romo>Damn it. Okay, although my face has changed slightly in colour... it seems I've been cured. It's a miracle. I thought I'd forgotten something... Thank you very much, everyone. I'll restart this shortly and should be fine. Now.
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11:20<mnuhmnuh>shouldn't need restart until you're about to restart w new kernel.
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11:23<mnuhmnuh>romo: ignoranc, not knowing something, is not evil and is easily fixed. blushing not necessary. you should hear some of the things i've done to myself.
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11:30<romo>nvidia-driver mentioned it'd like a restart during install...
11:30<romo>mnuhmnuh: Thank you very much. It's just, I install so rarely on actual metal...
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11:32<mnuhmnuh>romo: get a second box, a tower, two drives; one for linux, another for easy storage, backups, /home. never wipe /home, just tell the installer to use it.
11:34<mnuhmnuh>my core ii quad spent four years languishing in an unheated garage until someone thought to offer it to me.
11:34<mnuhmnuh>best box i've ever owned.
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11:37<arto>I seng gpg keys using --send-keys option, and it essentially empitied my .gnupg dir, no keys left, what happened?
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11:40<bremner>arto: did you maybe just upgrade gpg versions?
11:40<arto>bremner: nope, stable 9.5
11:42<romo>mnuhmnuh: That does sound like a fun setup indeed. I'll be taking it into consideration, next time I change hardware/find money.
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11:48<mnuhmnuh>arto: "... --send-keys key IDs" ; "If no key IDs are given, gpg does nothing." otherwise, it should send only "key IDs".
11:49<mnuhmnuh>emptying keydir isn't in that list.
11:49<arto>private-keys-v1.d pubring.kbx trustdb.gpg: pubring.kbx was created when I sent keys, private-keys-v1.d is empty, trusted.gpg was created when I did 'gpg -k' after, no keys, no gpg.conf, they all went
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11:50<mnuhmnuh>wonkiness.
11:50<arto>key server was in that gpg.conf
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11:52<bremner>arto: those symptoms sound a lot like migrating from gpg 1 to gpg 2.x
11:53<mnuhmnuh>these things usually inter-communicate well, but most of my gpg experience was auto-handled by mutt for me. too deep & wide to understand.
11:54<arto>bremner: I deleted expired keys, made new, maybe old key were from gpg 1, but I did not sent those to server.
11:55<arto>blah, better make new, and will not sent them anyway this time
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11:56<kwork>hello, what could be wrong with my apt configuration if apt-get update doesnot try to use Packages.gz/bz2
11:56<kwork>i get error about Packages file being 404 but as i understand that is to be expected ?
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11:56<kwork>there are Packages archived files present in the repo but for some reason they seem not to be used
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11:56<kwork>running on jessie, tryng to access jessie-backports repo
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11:57<arto>kwork: jessie blacports is closed
11:57<kwork>oeh
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11:58<kwork>arto: since the realese of stretch-backports ?
11:58<arto>kwork: I guess
11:58<kwork>somehow i managed to miss the announcemt, what mailing list is used for that ?
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11:58<kwork>althought as of jessie is still oldstable its a bit strange that the backports is closed :(
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12:01<arto>kwork: sorry, it was squeeze backports which was closed
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12:03<arto>For jessie add this line
12:03<arto>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main
12:03<arto>that was from bpo
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12:33<nico>hello everybody
12:33<nico>I'm new here
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12:34<arto>hi nico
12:34<nico>hi~
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12:35<nico>I'm from china , where are you from , guys?
12:35<arto>nico: this is Debian support channel, so if you have something to ask, go ahead. Or you can just stay lurking, as most of us are. :)
12:36<arto>nico: only Debian suppor questions
12:36<nico>I want to ask who run Kali Linux on your laptop
12:36<arto>!kali
12:36<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
12:37<nico>Kali Linux is the one of the Debain Linux , if my right
12:37<nico>they has same core, I learn
12:38<arto>nico: kali is based on Debian, just like 130 others, we don't know them, go to kali's own channel
12:38<nico>ok, sorry
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12:40<severus>hi
12:40<arto>hi severus
12:40<severus>wow i like this
12:41<severus>nice place
12:41<arto>severus: if you say so, this is Debian support channel
12:42<severus>how many people are in this place
12:42<severus>?
12:42<arto>severus: only Debian support questions
12:43<mnuhmnuh>close to 500 lurking last i looked.
12:43<severus>good
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12:44<severus>get me a channel about hack
12:44<arto>severus: kali or parrot?
12:45<severus>parrot
12:45<arto>!parrot
12:45<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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12:45<severus>!kali
12:45<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
12:46<severus>!adafe
12:46<severus>!google
12:46<dpkg>Google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. http://www.google.com/ See also <chromium>, <gmail>, <googledns>, <googleearth>, <googletalk>, <gsoc>, <gtalk>.
12:46<severus>so
12:46<severus>good
12:47<severus>how many hackers are here?
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12:47<arto>severus: *only* Debian support questions
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12:49<severus>what di fack
12:49<severus>!
12:49<severus>blue hat?
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12:53<arto>mood changed quickly
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12:58<mnuhmnuh>so, what's a debian support question? dpkg doesn't know. how to use a piece of software common to debian/kali/parrot? that fits.
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13:01<arto>mnuhmnuh: something related to Debian, I thing question about hacking is too wide
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13:03<mnuhmnuh>we're always trying to get people to narrow down their focus to _the problem_. hacking's just another type, and there's a correct ans. for every q.
13:05<mnuhmnuh>one great thing about re-installing - irssi beeps at me again, not just blinks the window! i missed that.
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13:07<narendra>hii
13:07<arto>mnuhmnuh: I'm getting allergic to all beeping devices, to mee it is enough xfce-terminals header changes color when there are new lines
13:07<arto>hi narendra
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13:10<mnuhmnuh>arto: i'm reading and smoking and drinking coffee on the other side of the room between beeps. :-)
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13:11<arto>mnuhmnuh: I do that near my laptopv :) washing machine beeps, and new frige beeps, really irritating
13:11<arto>fridge
13:12<mnuhmnuh>headphones!
13:13<arto>mnuhmnuh: using those, just don't want to spoil my ears using high volume
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13:15<arto>not really Debian related as such
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13:15<arto>me police
13:15*mnuhmnuh moving along officer.
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13:17<yol>hola
13:18<arto>hi yol
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13:18<arto>see, just two words :)
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13:37<mnuhmnuh>y'all?
13:37<mnuhmnuh>suthuhnuh.
13:38<arto>mnuhmnuh: this is Debian support channel!
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13:40<mnuhmnuh>has the stock (?) stretch 4.9.0-8-amd64 kernel been backfitted w meltdown & spectre yada yada?
13:41<arto>mnuhmnuh: there was kernel update just a few days ago, did not check what was the backgroung
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13:42<mnuhmnuh>i am looking for the release notes ...
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13:43<arto>mnuhmnuh: there has been many kernel upgrades during last few months, I would think that (and some other bugs) have been fixed
13:44<mnuhmnuh>arto: i know 4.18 is on backports, but i've held off on bpo so far. stock stretch now.
13:44<annadane>meltdown yes as of several releases ago and at least one spectre variant, the most recent update was quite minor (and had nothing to do with spectre/meltdown)
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13:45<mnuhmnuh>annadane: but in 4.9 stock kernel?
13:45<annadane>yes
13:45<mnuhmnuh>ty.
13:46<annadane>4.9 obviously doesn't get less security updates because it's older
13:47<annadane>you'll probably get faster security updates using the stable kernel than the backported one because the backported one is taken from testing and testing has security updates with a delay
13:48<annadane>anyway, AFAIK they keep finding new things in spectre so it's a mistake to assume it's patched. meltdown is easier
13:49<mnuhmnuh>the programmer in me just sees a vast difference between a fix that is implemented in 4.18, then somehow shoehorned into 4.9
13:49<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSecurity/SpectreMeltdown
13:49<archer>Is it possible to upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
13:49<annadane>archer, yes. read the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes
13:50<annadane>of course, the latest is stretch, but if you want stretch (and you should, for most cases, unless there's a reason not to) you'd have to first update to jessie and only after that stretch (which of course has its own release notes)
13:51<annadane>(you can't skip stable releases, thus you can't directly go from debian 7 wheezy to debian 9 stretch)
13:52<annadane>jessie is still under LTS for server-side packages, but the distribution as a whole is now EOL, which means user facing applications mainly don't get security fixes
13:52<annadane>!lts
13:52<dpkg>Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
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13:56<annadane>mnuhmnuh, also it depends what architecture you're on, i know for amd64 at least what i said holds true, but the page i linked indicates it's not uniformly fixed across all arches
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13:59<tarzeau>does anyone know how to get to tag debtags ? i'm having trouble to SSO
13:59<arto>on that page it was recommended to add amd64 multiarch to i386, but I wonder does that work that way, 16 vs. 32 bit
14:00<arto>or 32/64
14:00<arto>tarzeau: what are you trying?
14:00<tarzeau>arto: i want to tag: https://debtags.debian.org/edit/fonts-gnutypewriter
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14:01<annadane>but the point still stands, whatever architecture you're on, keep on top of updates
14:01<tarzeau>but my sso cert expired. i am so lost creating a new one. if someone has a working login, i can help fix some untagged packages
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14:04<arto>account registration is disabled, unafortunately that means sso.debian.org accounts cannot be created by users anymore.
14:05<arto>If an account is needed create a ticket in the SSO RT queue either by emailing mailto:sso@rt.debian.org (the email needs to include the string "Debian RT" in subject) or via RT webfrontend. Please include reasoning for your new account
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14:07<mnuhmnuh>arto: 2.2.7. Move to "Modern" GnuPG - in stretch release notes?
14:08<arto>mnuhmnuh: thank's, have to check out, still tough I did not moved, just created new key, which I tried to send to gpg key server
14:09<mnuhmnuh>and times change; sha1?
14:11<Mikaela>Are there plans to add ESNI support to apt(-transport-https)?
14:11<arto>mnuhmnuh: no, https://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html
14:11<tarzeau>arto: i've read that. cumbersome
14:12<arto>tarzeau: you have reason, why don't send email
14:12<tarzeau>arto: i only wanted to tag two packages, and drop the unreviewed from file
14:12<tarzeau>the package file
14:13<arto>tarzeau: understand, but seems you don't get what you need here, or keep lurking
14:16<arto>mnuhmnuh: everything went smoothly until I sent the keys to server
14:16<arto>mnuhmnuh: but I kind of gave up
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14:16<traumschule>which options do i have to install debian with full disk encryption and want to put a key file on a usb during installation?
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14:17<tarzeau>you'd need to patch the bios to support reading the key file from the usb... first?
14:17<ismail>hello
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14:17<arto>hello ismail
14:17<tarzeau>i'm also failing adding screenshots.debian.net for packages only in experimental...
14:17<Guest452>hello arto
14:18<arto>tarzeau: must be frustrating, trying to do good
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14:18<Guest452>i hope your fine
14:18<tarzeau>ah half that bad, arto
14:18<arto>Guest452: yes I'm, thanks. This is Debian support channel
14:18<traumschule>tarzeau: i want grub to pick it up, is that possible?
14:19<tarzeau>but i'm looking for musical people who would like to try some new (well rather old, but new in debian) trackers for testing
14:19<tarzeau>traumschule: i've no idea. i've only seen encryption work well with macOS (not even windows)
14:19<Guest452>yes
14:19<tarzeau>traumschule: i know some linux people encrypt a bunch of file, directory only
14:19<traumschule>aha, should switch to macOS then. maybe.
14:19<Guest452>i don't know how my name changed
14:19<tarzeau>traumschule: or just encrypt, what's really really secret
14:20<arto>traumschule: I would say it is possible, but don't have first hand experience
14:20<traumschule>no actually i want to prevent anyone tampering with boot during my absence
14:21<arto>traumschule: boot password to bios and grub
14:21<tarzeau>arto: remove the disk, and you got the data
14:21<traumschule>could use checksum tools but i dont really trust them if the kernel has been modified
14:21<tarzeau>traumschule: i wouldn't trust ANY pc bios
14:21<tarzeau>they're way too easy to hack/replace
14:21<traumschule>ya ok :)
14:22<traumschule>that leaves me with what?
14:22<arto>traumschule: I've installed Debian so many times, that it will not take more than 30 minutes to install again, then there are packages like tripwire and such
14:22<Guest452>who willing to lerning me hack
14:22<tarzeau>traumschule: keep the secrets remotely on a machine that's not physically accessible to anyone but you
14:23<tarzeau>Guest452: #nethack
14:23<arto>traumschule: lock in a closet
14:23<Guest452>what
14:23<Guest452>hhh
14:23<traumschule>okee
14:23<annadane>Guest452, this is not the channel for that
14:24<arto>traumschule: security is never one silver bullet, I do everything I can
14:24<annadane>and no one can "teach you hacking" anyway, it's a methodology with many pieces
14:24<Guest452>How you can replay
14:24<Guest452>as you did
14:25<tarzeau>arto: i wrote the s.d.n guy, but no replies yet, maybe i'll have to put the package into sid, put the screenshot, remove it from sid, and keep it in experimental again, but not sure if the screenshot will be removed when it's not in sid anymoer
14:25<tarzeau>arto: UGLY, but it might work
14:25<Guest452>surly this is the first time use this app
14:25<arto>tarzeau: I wish you good luck, sorry can't do more
14:25<tarzeau>Guest452: learning something is always easier if you start with easy things...
14:26<Guest452>thakns
14:26<traumschule>my goal would be to have a paragraph on https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#partman-crypto because this is where i point ppl to
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14:28<tarzeau>traumschule: if you use a non-common filesystem (like ufs2) is that not secure enough? (say with kfreebsd)
14:28<traumschule>they already are frustrated about the installer forcing them to reboot ~10 times trying to have two OS encrypted on the same disk
14:28<traumschule>what would that help with?
14:29<tarzeau>90% of people stealing your disk, could not do anything with it, but format it
14:29<arto>traumschule: for reasons I've told, I only crypt /home partititon, but I understand ppl have different needs
14:29<traumschule>i dont trust security by obscurity and even ufs2 has a manpage i guess
14:31<traumschule>so my advice was to have a shared unencrypted boot with at least 1gb and add separatedly encrypted volume groups after
14:32<traumschule>taking it even farther to also encrypt /boot with a keyfile would be nice but this seems to be a niche not (yet) supported
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14:35<itd>traumschule: never done it, but: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Trusted_Boot
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14:55<traumschule>so debian has https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot but seems to be something else
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15:01<traumschule>https://wiki.debian.org/SetupGuides/SecurePersonalComputer#Partitioning is not very elaborate and the disable swap recommendation is confusing
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15:05<test>hello, i'm new debian user :(
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15:06<test>:)
15:06<at0m>hi test (:
15:06<nyov>:(
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15:10<nyov>traumschule: you may not be able to encrypt /boot, but you could have it on the usb stick together with your keyfile?
15:10<traumschule>that sounds interesting.
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15:11<traumschule>currently investigating if https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick would accept a preseed.cfg with full disk encryption and keyfile
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15:17<mnuhmnuh>reinventing tails? dunno about keyfil. they' disapprove likely.
15:18<traumschule>i dont want to have the os on a stick also this is 32bit hardware
15:21<traumschule>the final setup will be my existing tftpd serving a preseed file for automatic netboot installation. the tricky part is when to write the keyfile to the stick - before or during installation
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16:12<at0m>markcom: if you have a question, just ask away!
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16:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:24<archer>I have a problem with updating my wheezy to jessie; When i try to update + upgrade using the jessie debs on my sourcelist its giving me this http://termbin.com/zz94
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16:33<Osmel>archer: do also apt dist-upgrade
16:34<archer>Osmel: yes, ty i've attempted taht as well
16:34<archer>It gives me this for example; E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. and this; http://termbin.com/qzzb
16:35<Osmel>archer: did you try apt-get install -f ?
16:36<amacater>Are you using your Debian machine to send and receive mail?
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16:37<archer>amacater: i havent tried to send emails from it yet but it accesses the internet
16:38<archer>Osmel: just tried and 118 not upgraded
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16:39<Osmel>archer: Are you still in wheezy? can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on https://paste.debian.net/
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16:41<Osmel>archer: Do you have a normal output when apt update?
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16:42<archer>Osmel: sure, give me a moment
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16:43<archer>https://paste.debian.net/1047161/ and the update output is normal
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16:48<Osmel>archer: Try to add this to your sources.list at the top of the file https://paste.debian.net/1047162
16:48<archer>Osmel: thanks ill give it a shot brb
16:48<Osmel>archer: Then apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist upgrade
16:49<Osmel>archer: Then apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade Sorry :)
16:49<mnuhmnuh>don't know what httpredir is. deb.debian.org works for all. http://paste.debian.net/1047163/
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16:49<archer>Osmel: well, immediately i can see where the problem is now that ive seen what the debs are supposed to be
16:49<archer>LOL, thanks! i only had the security updates
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16:50<archer>Osmel: 739 upgraded, 281 newly installed, 17 to remove and 0 not upgraded. thanks dude
16:51<Osmel>archer: Yes, well I gave you the USA mirrors, you can use what you want https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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16:51<archer>Osmel: i didnt know what those are until just now, thank you
16:51<Osmel>archer: Yes, You are welcome :)
16:53<Osmel>mnuhmnuh: If your system moves around a lot, you may be best served by a "mirror" that is backed by a global CDN. The Debian project maintains deb.debian.org for this purpose and you can use this in your apt sources.list
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16:54<Osmel>mnuhmnuh: https://deb.debian.org/
16:56<mnuhmnuh>hadn't noticed security.d.o before, still working out kinks. http://paste.debian.net/1047165/
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17:20<netvor>folks, I'm running out of ideas here.. on Stretch I have this realtek eth card that used to work fine but now I can't get it to connect
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17:21<netvor>in dmesg -w it's just saying "carrer on" and "carrier off", around and around
17:22<netvor>I tried: booting from testing livecd, using backported kernel *and* firmware, and even actually using another card
17:23<netvor>(the other is also realtek and unlike the old one this other one is connected via usb)
17:25<netvor>next idea i have os to try fedora live cd but if that's the only thing that woked i guess i'd have to replace debian with fedora which i don't like
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17:26<netvor>(i mean i don't like the step, not fedora, fedora is fine but ofc i want to keep the current installation)
17:30<mus9>hi
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17:33<at0m>dpkg: tell mus9 about ask
17:33<mnuhmnuh>netvor: lspci -nn | grep -i ether
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17:35<mus9>Why, after closing the terminal (root), it no longer opens?
17:35<mnuhmnuh>netvor: do you have firmware installed? contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list?
17:36<netvor>mnuhmnuh: yep, i have ... I'll give you the lspci, though i remind that two (realtek) cards with 2 firmwares behave the same
17:36<mus9>mate destkop environment 1.16.2
17:36<netvor>one r8152 and r8169
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17:38<netvor>mnuhmnuh: 06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
17:38<netvor>the other card I don't have
17:38<mnuhmnuh>mine's RTL8111/8168/8411 on mboard gbit. never any prob.
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17:38<netvor>also now I'm trying the fedora live cd and same prob
17:38<mnuhmnuh>i've no firmware installed.
17:39<mnuhmnuh>bad cable.
17:39<netvor>i also tried other ports on the switch, and also other machine (w/ intel eth card) connects just fine via eth orwifi
17:39<netvor>^^ the above is via the same cable
17:40<netvor>and I also tried new cable -- still the same
17:40<mnuhmnuh>we have the same eth.
17:41<netvor>what could die on mainboard that would prevent all eth (or all networking -- i shudder at that) from working
17:42<netvor>or, iow, is there a more-or-less common type of error that would express this symptom: "carrier on", "carrier off" in dmesg just repeating forever in about 1sec interval
17:44<netvor>the strange thing is that it *did* happen roughly around time when i upgraded kernel ... but by trying Fedora I'm already outsie that part of troubleshooting (...right?)
17:45<mnuhmnuh>can you still boot orig. kernel?
17:46<netvor>I'm not sure, will try
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17:48<netvor>one more case popped in my head: try the usb card in the laptop (the one I'm writing this)
17:49<netvor>the laptop succ connects via its intel eth, maybe the issue could be that the switch somehow magically started hating all realteks
17:51<sqrt{not}>netvor: do these realteks have loadable firmware, and if so do you know what version is loaded in them now, or do you know when these various boots have or haven't tried or succeeded to replace the firmware ?
17:52<netvor>sqrt{not}: i don't know, can i check? i have url with modinfo from one of them if that helps
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17:53<netvor>btw just tried the oldest kernel i have and it's the same
17:55<netvor>here's all i have, (that's without the usb eth card---i purchased that believing that it will workf fine): http://file.vornet.cz/tmp/boot-haiku-on-tamten/from-deb9/
17:56<jhutchins>netvor: You still haven't posted the chipset.
17:56<netvor>jhutchins: how do i do that
17:57<sqrt{not}>,v firware-realtek
17:57<judd>No package named 'firware-realtek' was found in amd64.
17:57<sqrt{not}>,v firmware-realtek
17:57<judd>Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1
17:59<netvor>(maybe i'll try uninstalling the firmware-realtek and using newest kernel)
18:02<annadane>netvor, lspci -nn
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18:02<mnuhmnuh>already got that.
18:03<mnuhmnuh>using same as me, no firmware necessaey.
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18:06<netvor>i remember the thing was that I upgraded, and i remember that apt said i could remove the firmware-realtek, so i did. then later (i wanna say it was on *second* next reboot but really I'm not sure) the card stopped working. SO i looked at dmesg and saw an error about missing firmware
18:07<netvor>so i thought, packaging error? (in stable) so went and installed the firmware-realtek.deb manually via usb drive
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18:07<netvor>now the dmesg error disappeared, but the card still does not work
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18:09<mnuhmnuh>netvor: how do you manage it, with nm-applet? is it turned on, configged?
18:10<netvor>nm-applet, defaults
18:10<netvor>tried using manual IP, no help
18:12<netvor>just noticed in dmesg: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
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18:13<netvor>i'll try removing it and see --- guess it's possible that the fw actually breaks the card (and via some magic currents, also another card that's on usb, and even if the cable is in the usb card...)
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18:18<netvor>ok so the "failed to load" dmesg message is back .. but the onboard eth still misbehaves
18:19<netvor>both .. still .. up, down, up, down ...
18:20<netvor>I'mma test the "switch now hates all realteks" theory, which means i have to disconnect from irc
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18:24<netvor>illuminati confirmed
18:24<netvor>i did something and now the switch hates all realteks
18:25<netvor>not that it's particularly nice to the intel either, it does take 20s or so to connect as well (though then it works fine)
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18:27<netvor>mnuhmnuh, and all who helped -- thanks for now .. I'm just going to replace the switch bitch ... or put something in between if i can find something around the house
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18:29<sqrt{not}>netvor: you might try installing the stretch non-backport version of the firmware package, just to rule out version weirdness....
18:29<netvor>this router is clearly possessed by the devil ... it's not the first time it made my brain hurt in a weird way
18:29<sqrt{not}>theoretically it's the same firmware in both packages, but you never know, some kind of bit-rot....
18:29<netvor>sqrt{not}: I kinda started with that ..
18:31<netvor>I think i've been through that. first thing i did was i installed that (still purely in stretch, no bpo)
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18:32<netvor>anyway, connecting the usb realtek while plugged into a bystanding laptop still brings up this up/down weirdness
18:33<netvor>it's now only matter of coming up with some horrible way how to destroy this TPLink router
18:33<netvor>(oh and also getting replacement)
18:35<netvor>it's already tortured me for years with completely different, wifi issue: weird undocumented (i even tried to look in android's java files) error that I could get only sometimes, w/ only single device and this tplink
18:36<netvor>and the device would just stop connecting, and never connect again... yes to all other routers, yes all other devices to this router, but nope these two
18:37<netvor>(explain that to your 70yo dad who even paid thousands CZK for post-warranty hw renewal, which DID NOT F..KING HELP)
18:38<netvor>sorry for ranting :D
18:38<netvor>i had lots of "fun" with this thing
18:38<netvor>esp. given i live 3.5 hrs away from it
18:40<netvor>by the way only thing that worked with the wifi weirdness was (remember this): switch to airplane, delete the remember network, then *without* going back from airplane mode, enable wifi (yes that's possible) and try to connect -- it will connect now, and you can disable the airplane mode then
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18:57<Luckyman>hello everyone
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19:22<Radar>Hello, I'm having an issue and was wondering if somone could help?
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19:25<sqrt{not}>Radar: many here might be able to help, go ahead and tell us what your issue is ?
19:27<Radar>I'm trying to install steam and it came out with a few missing packages. libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:ii386, and libc6:i386.
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19:29<Radar>Someone told me to add contib and non-free to my repositories but I'm not too sure how. I'm on Debian 8 Jessie with AMD
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19:32<annadane>consider upgrading to stretch. jessie is EOL except for the long term support initiative and i'm 99% sure steam is no longer supported with security updates
19:32<annadane>anyway,
19:32<annadane>!bat
19:32<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
19:32<annadane>oh, contrib and non-free, sorry, i'm rushing
19:33<annadane>in a terminal, as root, "nano /etc/apt/sources.list", and just add contrib non-free to every line
19:33<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
19:33<annadane>and then to save your changes with nano, control + x to close, y to confirm, and enter when it asks you what filename to write it as
19:34<Radar>Alright. I tried /etc/apt/sources.list but it says permission is denied. My device is not rooted and I'm not sure how to do that either
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19:35<annadane>i'd definitely not use steam on a jessie system, in any case
19:35<annadane>there is *some* security support but it's basically stopped at this point for user facing applications
19:37<annadane>using steam itself also implies desktop use which means you probably have other applications you're using which now no longer receive security support
19:37<annadane>should you decide to upgrade, read the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
19:37<Radar>Yeah, figured that. Only OS I have that will run some newer games. Maybe not run well but will run. Other than that I'm using a Dell 5150 with windows XP and as usual, I cannot use it for raspberry pi or the games I want. No SD card slot, and no support other than NFSU 2
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19:38<Radar>Can't even run flight simulator well
19:38<annadane>anyway, you can't root?
19:39<Radar>Not sure how
19:39<annadane>su -
19:40<Radar>Su before commands? I use sudo but yeah. Is that what you mean?
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19:41<Radar>Ah, asks for password
19:41<Radar>I forget it already lol. Is it raspberry?
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19:41<annadane>my crystall ball is broken
19:41<annadane>also, my spelling ability
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19:42<Radar>Oh wait... Su and type root, then a password.. Man this confused me lol
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19:43<annadane>su -, enter, password
19:44<annadane>one can also use su but it's good habit to just use su - anyway, i think for buster they want to switch to su - completely, or something
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19:47<Radar>K, got into root. So now I use /etc/apt/sources.list?
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19:48<annadane>yeah.
19:48<Radar>Permission is denied again :P
19:48<annadane>nano /etc/apt/sources.list?
19:50<Radar>Oh... I forgot that too... Dang, I'm not doing well so far lol
19:50<annadane>that's okay, everyone learns sometime
19:50<annadane>(i still recommend upgrading to stretch first, though)
19:50<annadane>the only reason one wouldn't at this point really is if they run a server
19:51<Radar>Oh yeah. I'm trying but I gotta wait for my cousins windows 7 HP to upgrade it's SD chip
19:51<Radar>Also, got in now. So what would I do to add contrib and non-free to it
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19:52<annadane>add contrib and non-free to the end of the lines in your sources list, next to "main". see wiki.debian.org/SourcesLiat
19:52<annadane>err.
19:52<annadane>wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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19:55<sqrt{not}>FWIW, i think the 3 packages Radar is looking for, are all in main
19:56<annadane>yeah, i agree. possible multiarch isn't enabled
19:57<annadane>er, well then it wouldn't show up? not sure
19:57<annadane>showing the exact output would be helpful, paste.debian.net
19:57<Radar>Alright, kinda confused again. Next to "main"? Here, I'll use that pastebin quick
19:58<annadane>yeah, you have deb <url of mirror> debian main, make it so it says debian main contrib non-free
19:58<annadane>on every line
19:58<annadane>as the SourcesList wiki entry says
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20:02<Radar>alright, pasted it. Do I share a link or can you see it?
20:04<annadane>post the link here
20:04<archer>annadane: this may help out https://paste.debian.net/1047189/
20:05<annadane>that's missing stretch-updates
20:05<annadane>!sources list
20:05<annadane>!sources.list
20:05<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
20:05<Radar>http://paste.debian.net/1047188
20:05<archer>annadane: ty
20:06<annadane>oh. uhh, raspbian?
20:06<annadane>!raspbian
20:06<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
20:06<annadane>i don't know about raspbian and my advice could be bad, so...
20:06<archer>this is a debian im trying to build in a chroot
20:07<Radar>Oh, ok. all good lol. do I join that irc channel then?
20:07<annadane>connect to the freenode network and /join #raspbian
20:08<Radar>alright. thanks for the help so far. Learned a lot :)
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23:44-!-alumno is "Alumno" on #debian
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23:45-!-Jan\ is "KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian
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---Logclosed Sun Oct 14 00:00:24 2018