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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-15

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03:04<jm_>hmm codesearch site used to work reliably for me in the past, but today some simple search yields no results, anyone else noticed issues with it?
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04:57<nyov>jm_: what site is that?
05:00<jm_>nyov: https://codesearch.debian.net/
05:02<nyov>works for me I think? https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%23!%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2
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05:02<nyov>lot's of results
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05:04<nyov>(but I wouldn't know about issues with specific search terms)
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05:05<veek>How do you preseed with file=/dev/sdb3/fileS/preseed.txt(ISO partition)
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05:08<EmleyMoor>In a typical split config setup of exim on Debian, is there an easy way to enable "allow_fail" for user filters? Failing that I'll need to set up a system filter, which I know how to do, but enabling "allow_fail" would make things a little easier
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05:40<veek>anyone tried preseeding?
05:40<veek>file=... with an ISO..
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06:07<jm_>nyov: I searched for "initiator reported error", even adding pkg:open-iscsi does not find it, not sure what the catch is (maybe since it's not in jessie?)
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06:15<nyov>jm_: ah, looks like there is a serious lack of information about that - can't find what "codebase" that search is running on or any stats. you think it only has data for jessie?
06:15<nyov>err. post-jessie
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06:16<nyov>damn, *not post-jessie. double fail
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06:20<jm_>nyov: it was just a guess, I looked at status of open-iscsi and it's missing from jessie, but some other searches worked OK, so I would need to do the same for another package that is not in jessie to confirm, but no time right now :)
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06:32<nyov>jm_: I opened an issue at dcs for this, hope you don't mind i used your example in it https://github.com/Debian/dcs/issues/96
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06:41<jm_>nyov: thanks
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07:40<armin>can anyone tell me which package provide the file "brother_ldpwrapper_HLL2300D"
07:43<jm_>brother's cups driver which you get from their web page, not debian
07:45<avu>armin: generally, to answer questions like "does any debian package (if any) have this file", you can use apt-file
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08:00<Blacker47>why is git://anonscm.debian.org/... not working any more?
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08:14<HiTree>Blacker47: more information https://anonscm.debian.org/
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08:21<Blacker47>HiTree, ok. but at the websites like https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/sane-backends are still the old URLs. (sane-backends is migrated to salsa.. but it has some divergence in history to my local...).
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08:34<HiTree>Blacker47: This is information read from the package itself. Newer versions contain new links: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/sane-backends
08:35<HiTree>Blacker47: https://jff.email/cgit/sane-backends.git
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09:06<Blacker47>hmm, ok.
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10:39<vaughn>Good day, I'm currently seeing packet loss (RX) packets using Intel Corporation 82574L, Debian jessie, driver is e1000e version 2.3.2-k kernel 3.16. Also seeing the same on my Debian stretch servers. Also using the same intel nic, kernel 4.9, e1000e version 3.2.6
10:40<vaughn>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ************
10:40<vaughn> inet addr:******** Bcast:************* Mask:*************
10:40<vaughn> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
10:40<vaughn> RX packets:416221076 errors:7965 dropped:18409 overruns:0 frame:7965
10:41<vaughn>thats the errors i'm seeing. I have tested the ethernet cables, ensured the switch configuration is correct. duplex and speed.
10:41<vaughn>I only see these issues when pushing the speed to 1gbps
10:42<vaughn>I've also noted that this particular nic had performance issues with e1000e drivers in the past, however am wondering if anyone here has the similar problem or experience?
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10:57<mome>vaughn: I think is a bug. Can you provide the output of "modinfo e1000e" through https://paste.debian.net/?
11:03<vaughn>I think so too. This is the jessie version https://paste.debian.net/1047373/ this is the stretch version https://paste.debian.net/1047375/
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11:06<mome>vaughn: There is a newest driver version from intel https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/15817/Intel-Network-Adapter-Driver-for-PCIe-Intel-Gigabit-Ethernet-Network-Connections-Under-Linux-?product=32209
11:09<mome>vaughn: You can try to Build the new module.
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11:11<mome>vaughn: Not sure if this is going to improve your situation, just an idea to try.
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11:19<petn-randall>vaughn: Have you checked if you're missing firmware? You can see it by running 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' as root.
11:22<vaughn>Mome: will give that a shot. I've also just come across an article (https://support.unitrends.com/UnitrendsBackup/s/article/000003306) which refers to the nic being vulnerable to ASPM faults
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11:23<mome>vaughn: You can test using some kernel parameter.
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11:24<mome>vaughn: pcie_aspm=off
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11:26<petn-randall>vaughn: Also, I don't see a problem here. Less than 1 in 50,000 ethernet frames is throwing an error.
11:28<mome>vaughn: Seems to be a good article, anyway you should beware about downloading unknown scripts, review carefully that script before try it.
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11:29<mome>vaughn: This is happening only under heavy load, I guess.
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13:17<somiaj>!chat
13:17<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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13:19<somiaj>Reason it is quite here is there is no current debian support question. If you have one, just ask. Also no need to have the bot say the exact same thing again.
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13:35<dust>apt and aptitude is really crap... if 1 program like chromium upgrade fails u cant do the other upgrades
13:35<somiaj>what do you mean by fails?
13:36<dust>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911056
13:36<somiaj>You can still use apt to upgrade things indvidually, apt install foo, but yes, if there is a problem with a package on your system, apt won't let you upgrade, because you should fix that problem first.
13:36<somiaj>,v chromium
13:36<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; buster: 69.0.3497.92-1; sid: 70.0.3538.54-2
13:37<dust>u mean deabian should fix their bugs first
13:37<at0m>,v mpd
13:37<bremner>good luck with that attitude.
13:37<judd>Package: mpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.16.7-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie-backports: 0.19.12-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.19.21-1; buster: 0.20.21-1; sid: 0.20.21-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.19.21-dmo4; buster-multimedia: 1:0.20.21-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.20.21-dmo1
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13:37<somiaj>you are running sid, you should be in #debian-next and get use to debian sid will have broken packages.
13:38<dust>if u would read what i wrote its about apt and aptitude... the chromium bug is just the actual reason
13:39<somiaj>So downgrade chromium to a working version, pin it, and then upgrade normally. Or use apt-listbugs to try to catch stuff like this during the upgrade.
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13:40<somiaj>There are ways to work around this, but apt's basic policy is if you have borken packages, to not upgrade and cause more possible breaks. It wants you to fix the broken packages first.
13:42<dust>nope... i just gave a hint of a problem which u confirmed... but yes, if there is a problem with a package on your system, apt won't let you upgrade... and instead of fixing user should do workarounds... but i dont wonder about it as its normal debian behavior like the gnome people lol
13:43<dboles>if apt did what you wanted, other people would be in here complaining that debian lets them do incomplete upgrades that break other things in unexpected ways
13:43<somiaj>if running debian stable these issues don't happen.
13:43<dboles>it's easy enough to pin that it's not worth letting apt steam ahead by default, thus annoying other users
13:43<somiaj>this is an issue due to running a development release (or mixing repos causing broken dependencies/package scripts)
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13:47<dust>dboles, is it the base os or an end user program? no difference is part of the problem...
13:48<dboles>it's not a problem to me, and you're in the wrong channel
13:48<dust>and where is the apt and aptitude support channel?
13:48<somiaj>apt is working as designed, and in my opinion the way I would prefer it.
13:49<bytes>has there been information on what's going to happen with php in debian stretch once 7.0 reaches EOL? similar problem with jessie and php 5.6.
13:51<bytes>probably have to switch to sury's repo i suppose.
13:51<somiaj>bytes: jessie is managed by the LTS team, so maybe check the LTS maling list (or send them a mail) to see if they have any ideas.
13:52<bytes>will do, thanks.
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13:52<somiaj>bytes: I'm unsure what debian mailing list would be best to deal with stretch. It might depend on when the EOL hits, and if any major security bugs hit while stretch is still supported.
13:53<bytes>checked the bts, but found nothing.
13:53<somiaj>it most likely won't be a bug until after the EOL and security bug hits
13:54<somiaj>according to php's website, 7 as security support for another year, and by then stretch will hitting its EOL. So it could be that it becomes a package the LTS team chooses not to support.
13:54<somiaj>I expect EOL stretch summerish 2020
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13:55<somiaj>(before beccoming LTS)
13:55<bytes>7.0 has only support for another month or so iirc.
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13:55<somiaj>http://php.net/supported-versions.php -- there is a difference between 'active support' and 'security support'
13:56<somiaj>and my guess is that will get drug out, as it is slow to get some software to migrate, so there will be companies willing to put money into security support for php7
13:56<bytes>yes, "in 1 month"
13:57<somiaj>but security support goes for another year, debian stable just provides securty support anyways, so there is at least a year until that ends, and as I said, there is a chance it continues (it really depends on what security vulns are discovered)
13:57<bytes>do you see a different chart than me?
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13:58<somiaj>oh sorry, no I just missread it, it is 7.1 that has another year of security support.
13:58<bytes>heh, no worries.
13:58<somiaj>my eyes didn't follow the columns correclty
13:58<somiaj>,v php7
13:58<judd>No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
13:58<somiaj>,v php7.0
13:58<judd>Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.30-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 7.0.30-0+deb9u1
13:59<somiaj>Anyways, you can look at the debian mailing lists. It may depend on what security vulns are discovered. Keep an eye on CVE
13:59<somiaj>and that should get you bug reports at a time a vuln is discovered.
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14:04<bytes>mhh, yeah. this just sucks in so many ways. gonna have to check what i can move to php7.2.
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14:10<ankur>HI
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14:10<ankur>I AM UNABLE DOWNLOAD VIDEOS FROM YOUTUBE
14:11<dboles>lose the caps lock and explain what version of debian you're on, which browser, what you tried, and why that is debian's fault
14:11<ankur>I am using Debian 9.5
14:11<ankur>latest version
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14:13<somiaj>how are you trying to download videos from youtube (in general youtube doens't want users doing this)
14:13<futune>trying to use youtube-dl? i remember that was in the repos for jessie, at least
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14:15<somiaj>most likely the stretch version is out dated, and one would need to stretch-backports version.
14:15<somiaj>,v youtube-dl
14:15<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2018.09.10-1; sid: 2018.09.10-1; buster-multimedia: 2018.10.05-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2018.10.05-dmo1
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14:16<somiaj>hmm, seems there is no stretch-backports version, maybe the stretch version still works.
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14:16<bytes>pip can install a recent version.
14:16<dboles>looks like they already left
14:16<bytes>the one in the repo is close to unusable.
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15:13<jhutchins_wk>bytes: You should also be aware that many distros, possibly including Debian, backport the security fixes to the earlier version (of PHP) so that they don't break the code features by pushing the latest release.
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15:13<jhutchins_wk>bytes: RedHat, for instance, will patch security support for 5.4 for the lifetime of RHEL6.
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15:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:00<ach>!all
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17:01<ach>come on hack me?????
17:02<ach>!losers
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17:03<dat28>i take it back
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17:04<dat28>do you need assfucked get down the town
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17:05<annadane>!chat
17:05<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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17:11<gst568923>Hi guys I have talked with mpv irc channel for to use mpv video hardware decoding with a GPU Intel HD. There is a problem with debian package vainfo
17:11<gst568923>https://pastebin.com/McdyxgRG
17:11<ach>!FUCK OFF
17:11<dpkg>you too, you cunt
17:11<ach>!SEX
17:11<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
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17:13<annadane>ach, you know to stop doing things like this, so stop doing it
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17:13<annadane>particularly when someone has a support question
17:14<annadane>judd, checkbackport vainfo --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
17:14<judd>Backporting package vainfo in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libva-dev (>= 2.1).
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17:17<annadane>nothing in the BTS unfortunately
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17:21<annadane>possibly a nouveau error, which if that's the case, good luck...
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17:22<ach>!<3
17:22<dpkg>methinks <3 is I love you too
17:22<annadane>gst568923, do you have mesa-va-drivers installed?
17:22<annadane>anyway, i'm not sure what the issue is here
17:23<ach>!ok
17:24<gst568923>annadane mpv technicians told me to uninstall together va-driver-all, libvdpau-va-gl1, vdpau-driver-all
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17:24<annadane>i guess what i'm trying to do here is "fix a problem" when it may well be a bug
17:24<ach>!<3
17:24<dpkg>methinks <3 is I love you too
17:24<annadane>if in doubt, and no one else answers, file one i guess, but i don't know what package is to blame
17:25<annadane>possibly also try asking #nouveau on freenode
17:26<annadane>oh, intel, sorry
17:26<annadane>anyone else have an idea?
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17:27<gst568923>annadane they told me to ask here, it's a problem with Debian packages, because they work
17:27<annadane>OK. i think the best course of action is to file a bug, then. at the very least the debian folks will reply to it and give you a direction even if it's not a bug
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17:33<itd>annadane: intel?
17:34<annadane>they say they have an intel GPU. i just can't read.
17:34<itd>annadane: thanks, me neither. :)
17:35<gst568923>@itd yes Intel HD
17:36<ach>!tv
17:36<dpkg>i heard tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out). See also <bttv>, <ivtv>, <dvb>, <atsc>.
17:36<ach>!itd
17:37<annadane>HD is not the same as GPU though
17:37<annadane>well, HDD. assuming the HD is "hard drive"
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17:38<gst568923>annadane is a dell inspiron 3847 with nvidia 705 gt + intel hd...
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17:40<annadane>ok. lemme google the error message in that paste. it's either a bug in debian packages or a soluable problem
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17:42<annadane>wait for an answer here, but you may also want to try asking #nouveau on freenode as well
17:42<annadane>i feel they might have a better idea
17:43<annadane>(or use the proprietary nvidia driver if all else fails, i guess)
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18:01<annadane>see, i'm not sure if i helped, but if i didn't answer that i doubt anyone would
18:01<annadane>and now they're gone. *shrug*
18:02<annadane>whatever, i'll leave it to the experts then
18:03<kiteless>Is there any reason why creating an /etc/sysctl.conf in preseed should fail? The command seems to run (I see it in the installer file) but I get no file.
18:05<kiteless>Follow-up: How might I get a script to run in the background during preseed?
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21:20<sim590>My laptop can't go to sleep anymore. It seems it is linked to my last kernel upgrade (on buster). /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/wakeup_reason says 0, therefore reason for waking up is unknown according to documentation... Here is the dmesg log starting from the last message before sleep http://paste.debian.net/1047440/.
21:21<sim590>How can I debug this further?
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22:35<tux>someone?
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23:02<annadane>sim590, if you're on buster #debian-next is the right channel
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