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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-17

---Logopened Wed Oct 17 00:00:22 2018
---Daychanged Wed Oct 17 2018
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00:36<mnuhmnuh>why is my eth going down for ca. 3 sec. regularly? enp2s0: link down ... enp2s0: link up ca. 2300h, 0300h.
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03:39<test>hi
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04:13<at0m>mnuhmnuh: dhcp or static? anything in journalctl?
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05:31<JoanMorgan>Hello everyone! I was looking at apt-daily.service and consequently set up /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic with Enable, Update-Package-Lists and AutocleanInterval set to daily. How do I know if it works?
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05:43<jm_>JoanMorgan: systemctl status apt-daily.service ; journalctl -u apt-daily.service
05:44<jm_>you could also try setting APT::Periodic::Verbose and it will send mails
05:45<JoanMorgan>Hey perfect! It says starting and started!
05:45<JoanMorgan>How do those emails work? Do I need to have my email account set up somewhere?
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05:54<jm_>it says mail is sent to root
05:57<jm_>ahh of course, it's run from cron
05:57<jm_>(or not if systemd is used)
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05:58<jm_>not sure if mail is sent if systemd is used, but in that case it should be at least visible in journal
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05:59<JoanMorgan>@jm_ just have to use mail as root apparently!
06:00<bremner>JoanMorgan: forwarding roots mail to a human admin is a usual first step of setting up a computer
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06:00<jm_>JoanMorgan: normally mail for root is sent to a regular user account
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06:01<JoanMorgan>I'll set it up and just use both. Do I have to reboot for apt-daily to reread 10periodic?
06:01<jm_>no
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06:02<JoanMorgan>Awesome!
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06:17<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to "write/verify" test an SD card on Debian?
06:18<EmleyMoor>Can get one today, less than three miles away, with a 10 year guarantee - so I might!
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06:18<EmleyMoor>Alternatively the A1 certified ones are less than half that price on Amazon
06:21<JoanMorgan>There's a benchmark option in the Disks app
06:21<JoanMorgan>Not sure if that's good enough though
06:21<EmleyMoor>JoanMorgan: I don't want to benchmark it, I want to verify it correctly working (I have one that may be faulty)
06:23<jm_>tried using badblocks on it?
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06:34<EmleyMoor>jm_: Not yet, but will
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08:39<user_>hey
08:39<arto>hey user_
08:40<user_>so whats ur name
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08:41<arto>!ask
08:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:41<arto>!chat
08:41<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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09:12<StarkNet>Hello World, I'm computing manager in enterprise and I would install Debian OS on my computer park. would it be interesting?
09:12<bremner>I think you're actually confused.
09:12<bremner>or a troll, since yesterday you were a teacher.
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09:18<petn-randall>heh :)
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09:23<SynrG>nice to see the average interaction by random new drop-ins hasn't changed much since i was last active on irc. gives one a sense of stability & normalcy.
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09:24<vaughn>Anyone here running debian jessie on kernel 4.9? I've noticed an increase in i/o from 3.16 to 4.9 on a few of my servers.
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09:24<vaughn>just wanted to find out if anyone here had a similar experience
09:25<bremner>SynrG: yeah, I had that same criticism of myself. But really, it's a bit bizarre to hear about student projects one day and enterprise the next
09:26<SynrG>vaughn: does such a kernel version# bump mean you were on jessie before on 3.16 before the upgrade? or that you upgraded other things at the same time, too? and is this a standalone server or one in a cloud deployment, so you're really talking about the underlying kernel of the host was upgraded?
09:28<vaughn>SynrG: we were on Jessie 3.16 and upgraded the kernel to 4.9. We then started observing an increase in i/o wait. These are standalone machines
09:29<petn-randall>vaughn: Are you sure it's kernel related? So if you go back to 3.16 the load drops again?
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09:33<vaughn>petn-randall: I'm not entirely sure. It may be configuration we set. I haven't tested with a roll back as yet. I will do those testing and revert. Just thought I'll find out if anyone had a similar experience
09:33<vaughn>thank you guys!
09:34<SynrG>it certainly sounds counterintuitive that such an i/o performance drop would occur with such a kernel upgrade. however, i have no experience doing what you're doing, so can't compare.
09:34<SynrG>if the problem is "well known", you might find some bug# talking about it
09:35<petn-randall>vaughn: There are no known issues like that to my knowledge, but a lot of things have changed, so it's not impossible. i'd do some A/B testing to narrow it down to the kernel, though.
09:35<SynrG>vaughn: anything else special about the hardware? exotic disk controller, etc.?
09:37<SynrG>vaughn: you say "on a few of my servers", so does that imply the kernel has been upgraded on other servers and you are not experiencing degradation of i/o, or you only upgraded the kernel on a few of your servers, and all of them exhibit degraded i/o?
09:38<SynrG>i may be muddling the terms, too. you said "an increase in i/o", i.e. the workload stayed the same but the i/o is dramatically higher for the same workload (as per iostat or similar)?
09:38<SynrG>could be a misnegotiation of dma or some such ...
09:39<SynrG>in which case, i'd suspect some hardware/driver/firmware-specific issue
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09:41<core84>I'm having a problem with gnupg... When I'm trying to generate the new key pair it gives me:
09:41<core84>gpg: agent_genkey failed: No such file or directory
09:41<core84>Key generation failed: No such file or directory
09:46<vaughn>SynrG petn-randall: I'm running the kernel on around +2000 host. They unfortunately have different hardware. However the ones experiencing the increase iowait, have the same work loads. I will need to do some further testing and process elimination to narrow it down. However I suspect its some tuning on the kernel, which we've done in the past, catching up to us now.
09:47<petn-randall>vaughn: Have you updated other things like CPU microcode, too? The latest CPU bugfixes come with some performance penalty, not sure that would affect iowait, though.
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09:54<core84>the GPG problem is if you've deleted the .gnupg dir then you have to kill the gpg agent and generate keys again
09:55<core84>the problems solved
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10:18<TEK>Hi all !
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10:18<arto>hi TEK
10:19<core84>hi TEK
10:19<arto>almost in sync
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10:21<Ghashgar>hi
10:21<arto>hi Ghashgar
10:22<Minecon724>hi
10:23<arto>hi Minecon724
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10:23<Minecon724>hi arto
10:23<arto>there should be a bot...
10:23<Minecon724>?
10:23<arto>Minecon724: never mind
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10:24<arto>Minecon724: I just been saying 'hi' for many minutes
10:24<Ghashgar>i'm not a bot
10:25<Minecon724>i know
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10:29<Ghashgar>hello word, i have a question, why my Debian is low to start ??
10:29<petn-randall>Ghashgar: What does "low to start" mean?
10:29<arto>Ghashgar: can you be more spesific ?
10:29<Ghashgar>after a grub
10:30<Ghashgar>my config is Dell Optiplex 3010
10:31<avu>Ghashgar: have a look at `systemd-analyze blame` to get an idea what exactly takes long (assuming that you meant 'slow', not 'low' ;))
10:32<Ghashgar>sorry i'm french
10:32<Ghashgar>;)
10:33<arto>Ghashgar: nah, everyone makes typos
10:34<avu>Ghashgar: sorry i'm German (and thus couldn't let the typo go) ;)
10:34<Ghashgar>i'm student
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10:34<arto>Ghashgar: nah, everyone makes typos1
10:34<arto>!chat
10:34<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
10:36<Ghashgar><avu> Thanksfor your answer
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10:46<Ghashgar>I have a other problem. i would change my password with "passwd", but i have a error with the access token in Debian. Can you help me ??
10:47<blast007>try searching for the error online or ask your teacher
10:48<sqrt{not}>Is your teacher "StarkNet" ?
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10:48<Ghashgar>No, it's a comrade
10:49<petn-randall>Ghashgar: StarkNet is a comrade?
10:49<blast007>along with TEK and Vegetai?
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10:49<sqrt{not}>yes, all 4 from same IP
10:49<Ghashgar>yes SarkNet is my comrade
10:49<petn-randall>Ghashgar: So, are you using Parrot or Kali?
10:50<Ghashgar>blast007> yes
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10:51<mome>Ghashgar: What is exactly the output error when you try passwd?
10:51<TEK>blast007 why you write my FUCKING NA
10:51<TEK>ME
10:51<TEK>??
10:51<Ghashgar>manipulation error of the access token
10:51<Ghashgar><mome> manipulation error of the access token
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10:52<Vegetai>"Sorry, passwords do not match"
10:52<chrono>hello Vegeta lol
10:52<Vegetai>"passwd: Erreur de manipulation du jeton d'authentification"
10:53<Vegetai>french version
10:53<Vegetai>hi
10:53<chrono>g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"PLgenerator\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"plgenerator\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"0.1.0\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"PLgenerator\ 0.1.0\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE_URL=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"plgenerator\" -DVERSION=\"0.1.0\" -I. -Wall -Werror -Wextra -Wshadow -Wduplicated-cond -Wunused-parameter -Wuseless-cast -fstack-protector -std=c++11 -I/usr/include/postgresql -g -O2 -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/main.Tpo -c -o main.o main.cpp
10:53<chrono>mv -f .deps/main.Tpo .deps/main.Po
10:53<Vegetai>-_-
10:53<mome>Ghashgar: The first thing to try is a reboot
10:53<chrono>hey ho
10:53<TEK>try to unplug your computer
10:54<TEK>it's solve the issue of your code ^-^
10:54<chrono>I think is a rooter
10:54<chrono>firewal
10:54<chrono>l
10:54<Ghashgar><mome> it does'nt work
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10:55<Vegetai>Plz admin don't ban the IP school ... juste chrono and TEK
10:55<chrono>hello iphonex
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10:55<chrono>tais toi axelledepoulet
10:55<mome>Ghashgar: Try then pam-auth-update as root
10:55<iPhoneX>hola chrono
10:56<iPhoneX>como te llama realmente ?
10:56<mome>!es
10:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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10:56<chrono>Vegetai j'invoque le magicien des ténèbres en mode attaque qu'est ce que tu vas faire
10:56<Ghashgar><mome> thanks, i try
10:56<sqrt{not}>chrono & iPhoneX same source as other 4
10:56<duclicsic>can you lot maybe go and shit up a different channel?
10:56<iPhoneX>No es bueno, eningle es ok
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10:57<iPhoneX>goor mornong "tout le monde"
10:57<chrono>sorry I don't repeat these mistakes
10:57<iPhoneX>*morning
10:58<iPhoneX>\join #python-malraux
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10:58<core84>hello iPhoneX
10:58<core84>lol
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10:58<Vegetai>we can kick chrono and TEK ??
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10:59<iPhoneX>bonjour tout le monde
10:59<mome>!chat
10:59<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
10:59<duclicsic>Vegetai: I'm quite sure a *@80.82.238.198 ban will be incoming soon enough
10:59<Ghashgar><mome> What will do pam-auth-update
10:59<Vegetai>:s
11:00<TEK>Vegetai, what is your problem ?? why you're angry vs us
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11:00<TEK>anyone can launch a ddos attack on my ip??
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11:01<mome>Ghashgar: Set Correct PAM Module Settings.
11:01<arto>TEK: how does that relate to Debian?
11:01<annadane>TEK, if you're using kali/parrot, #debian may not be the right channel for you
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11:02<annadane>just an educated guess
11:02<arto>!kali
11:02<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
11:02<arto>!parrot
11:02<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:02<mome>Ghashgar: One possibility is a wrong PAM (Pluggable Authentication Module) settings. This makes the module unable to obtain the new authentication token entered.
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11:03<blast007>Ghashgar: are you sure you're typing your current password correctly?
11:03<mome>^^
11:03<EmleyMoor>No output from badblocks on that SD card
11:04<Ghashgar><blast007> yes
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11:04<Ghashgar>mome> ok thanks
11:05<annadane>as for ddos attacks i think modern irc networks protect you somewhat from that? i have no clue
11:05<annadane>feel free to google "how to prevent ddos on irc", though
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11:07<mome>Ghashgar: Please don't use <Name>, just use Name:
11:07<annadane>in general being able to just hack or ddos anyone is pretty rare. basic security principles go a long way
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11:10<Ghashgar>mome: OK
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12:31<jimpop>are there any debian pkgs that utilize libssh and provide public facing login capabilities? I'm trying to determine what impact the recent libssh vuln/update has.
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12:33<jimpop>libssh isn't used by openssh, etc. so what uses it and is vulnerable to an "autentication bypass"
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12:47<jhutchins_wk>jimpop: The answer is "almost nothing uses it".
12:48<jhutchins_wk>jimpop: github uses it, but has a diffrent authentication method, so wasn't vulnerable (but has been patched).
12:50<jimpop>ok, thx jhutchins_wk
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12:51<Blacker47>jimpop, "apt rdepends libssh-4"
12:52<somiaj>that may not list what is vulnable, some things only use libssh for the client, and not the server.
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12:53<somiaj>My understanding it is mostly third party software that was using libssh to implement an ssh server.
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12:54<jimpop>yep. curl uses it, but thats not a server implementation
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13:29<p6cu>yo
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13:29<p6cu>whatsup
13:30<somiaj>!chat
13:30<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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14:15<project2501a>hey guys. I am trying to compile Nvidia's CUDA 8.0_GA1 in Buster. What channel should i skiddadle off to, please?
14:16<somiaj>Why compile it, are the libaries provided by debian not good enough?
14:16<somiaj>also buster support -> #debian-next
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14:31<retrospectacus>!nvidia
14:31<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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14:37<somiaj>in this case it is more likely nvidia-cuda-toolkit
14:37<somiaj>,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit
14:37<judd>Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 9.1.85-4~bpo9+1; sid/non-free: 9.1.85-4+b1; experimental/non-free: 9.2.148-1
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16:32<kiteless>In wheezy or jessie, if I created a script in /tmp/script.sh in early_script and ran during preseed in 'partman/early_script', it'd run. If I do the exact same thing in stretch, I get an 127 exit code indicating the script wasn't found. So what changed?
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17:05<nezZario>hello ladies and gents... just curious, ... not asking HOW but more or less, as an overview -- as long as I have 50% free space in a vg group it should be pretty easy to transition to a encrypted boot volume, right?
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17:14<kiteless>I wish I could tell you, nezZario
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17:16<mnuhmnuh>nezZario: physically, i'd guess yes, crypto shouldn't double space used. on the other end, who's the threat you worry about most, fsb or nsa or revolutionary guard or saudis or ...
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17:21<nezZario>some guy named mnuhmnuh
17:22<nezZario>he's out to get me
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17:22<kiteless>Whatever he suggests you do, do the opposite of the opposite-- because he *expects* you to do the opposite.
17:23<somiaj>what is your reasoning for wanting an encrypted boot? Academic (want to just if you can make it work) or have a legimit security concern? My standard suggestion is to not encrypt boot to make things generally easier.
17:23<mnuhmnuh>nezZario: no worries there. i've never wanted to know what my users were doing. none of my damned business, as long as they were using it as it should be used. atacking others, no, but have fun otherwise.
17:24<nezZario>I mean i'd prefer the boot volume to be encrypted but if it's really that much of a large difference I could just go with encrypting not-boot-everything-else
17:24<mnuhmnuh>kiteless: you can't deke out murphy's law.
17:24<somiaj>but you should only need about 100-200megs for /boot in many situations. with three kernels installed /boot can take up about 100megs, so 250megs is confortorbal for most reasons.
17:24<nezZario>there's a bit of both -- academic and legitimate. it's a laptop, i travel a lot, border patrol agents are known to search laptops, that kind of thing.
17:25<nezZario>i already use luks on some partitions but it just tends to get cumbersome ... "oops, i didn't save that to the right partition - now i have to delete + wipe and hope that it's not easily recoverable since it's SSD"
17:25<somiaj>nezZario: my understanding is though grub2 now supports booting off an encypted boot, it still isn't that standard and may require a bunch of extra work to get it to actually work. Since nothing personal is in /boot, it being unecyprted isn't too much of a security issue. Yes there is a concern someone replaces your kernel with one to key log you (they need physical access), but if they have physical
17:25<somiaj>access they could also replace the firmware to log your passphrases for the encryption.
17:27<somiaj>tldr; in most cases you don't get that much actual secuirty also encrypting /boot (but there are use cases you may get a slight advantage, like someone tampering with your machine and returning it)
17:28<mnuhmnuh>when everything on the system but /home can be got from debian, why's encrypted /home not enough?
17:28<somiaj>often there is personal info in /etc
17:28<nezZario>... /var too!
17:28<somiaj>like wifi passwords, configuration setups for networks, hashes of user passwords.
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17:29<kiteless>and /usr, and /opt
17:29<nezZario>I'll do some reading
17:29<somiaj>depending on the use case, most of /usr should be stuff from debian packages. Though thrid party software in /usr/local or /opt could be a concern. Hence why encrypting everything but /boot is the common method I see.
17:30<kiteless>Best of luck. Make a backup.
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17:30<nezZario>well i might use my desktop as a test bed first although it uses raidframe for raid1
17:31<nezZario>not raidframe, i'm sorry... the normal linux/debian software raid software, the name escapes me at the moment
17:31<somiaj>mdraid
17:31<somiaj>I think is the common software raid used in linux
17:32<nezZario>yeah mdadm!
17:32<nezZario>wait so the actual software is called mdraid
17:32<nezZario>you're right
17:32<nezZario>mdadm = md + adm(in)
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17:32<mnuhmnuh>i see now why dmesg was locked down by kernel devs. i would not expect much stuff that i do as user would leak down into system logging.
17:33<nyov>nezZario: have you considered a /boot partition on usb stick?
17:33<nezZario>curious why would I do that?!
17:33<nyov>that way you can have full disk encryption I believe
17:34<somiaj>nezZario: yes mdadm in the admin tool for mdraid
17:34<mnuhmnuh>a start key for your pc.
17:34<nyov>you could even encrypt the disk without any luks header info, so it's not detectable as a luks encrypted disk
17:35<mnuhmnuh>not plugged in, not gonna boot.
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17:40<nyov>just make damn sure you have a few keys, a header backup, and a few copies of the usb stick. if you value that data
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17:41<nyov>(I still have a usb-disk lying around which I hope I might eventually remember that password for ....xD)
17:41<nyov>it's probably gone bad by now
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17:43<nyov>and I'd also recommend keeping unencrypted backups in a safe location. nothing worse than trying to restore from an encrypted disk gone bad
17:44<somiaj>in terms of backups, the standard policy I try to use is the data coppied onto three differnt mediums, and at least one offsite
17:48<nyov>yeah. but otherwise full disk encryption is probably the best plausible deniability if you're really paranoid about those border guards, or whomever
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17:51<sqrt{not}>some of those border guards can fine you now (*cough* NZ) if you don't give up the decrypt key. Some others will just keep your device until you give up the key, some will keep you and your device until you give up.
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17:57<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: so, you show up at customs with a usbkey with nothing on it but an encrypted /boot, and it's not going to find anything it can boot, ... what's border guard say?
17:58<sqrt{not}>they say: we're not giving this back until you show us what's REALLY on it ---- something they can understand.
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18:00<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: debian.org.
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18:00<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: wiki.debian.org.
18:01<sqrt{not}>so you say, it just needs a standard windows box to boot on, and either fake-decrypt some wares and .mp3-s, or else infect their box with virus.
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18:05<sqrt{not}>best to just stego your sooper-sekrit data into several TB of cat videos, with no obvious crypto
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18:06<nyov>^.^
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18:12<m_g_lewis>Can I have more than one wireless adapter on my system?
18:12<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: best to just snail mail your usbkey to your destination bypassing border guard completely.
18:12<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: sure.
18:14<nyov>but why would you turn up with your usb cryptoboot stick at border guards, that's suspicious as fuck. don't you know you're supposed to swallow it! (:
18:14<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: What determines which adapter a system uses for a specific purpose?
18:14<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: I think some countries' customs/mail-service/spooks inspect/seize incoming snail mail...
18:15<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: snail mail your encrypted /home on another key sent separately.
18:15<nyov>or hide it on some server and set up a PXE boot
18:16<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: you do. if you just want double the pipe, cofigure that. if you want all X traffic to go over X iface, config that.\
18:16<sqrt{not}>encrypted-anything makes them think you have something to hide, but everybody loves TB of cat videos.
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18:18<nyov>or hack you hdd firmware and hide stuff in the service area...
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18:18<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: OK, Thanks...I'm trying to get a Netgear Wireless-N Dual band adapter working so that I can have 5GHz Internet...
18:18<nyov>tinfoil hat fell off. I'm out
18:18<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: yeah, some countries are evil. usa, iran, prc, saudis, israel, burma?/myanmar, ...
18:20<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: correct. and the list gets longer, and the list-members get worse.
18:20<at0m>mnuhmnuh: https://www.businessinsider.com/new-zealand-border-customs-get-your-phone-password-or-face-3200-fine-2018-10
18:20<bremner>I'm waiting for the fine for not having a phoen
18:21<at0m>they can call my landline
18:22<kiteless>Just tell them that you can't carry a cellphone because you're allergic to electromagnetic radiation. They'll lose all interest in anything else you have to say.
18:22<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: _maybe_ (research) add "contrib non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list then "apt-get update && apt-get search firmware" and install whichever pkg seems relevant.
18:23<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: OK, I'll try that...Thanks!
18:24<fcrs>whatever happened to exaile (the iTunes like GTK media player similar to KDE's amarok)? i see it's only in oldstable. did something replace it?
18:24<mnuhmnuh>at0m: saw it on techdirt a week ago. sad.
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18:29<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: There is no such thing as apt-get search...
18:29<bremner>apt search
18:29<bremner>or apt-cache search
18:29<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: "lspci | grep Network" or maybe "lsusb | grep Network", and "ip a" might help.
18:30<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: OK, I'll try that...
18:30<at0m>dpkg: tell m_g_lewis about wireless
18:30<m_g_lewis>bremner: OK, I'll try that...Thanks
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18:32<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: yeah, sorry, i use "aptitude search ...", but you may need to install aptitude first to use it. "apt-get install aptitude && aptitude update && aptitude search ..."
18:33<m_g_lewis>mnuhmnuh: OK...
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18:39<mnuhmnuh>gee, "/msg dpkg wireless" doesn't say anything even remotely similar to "Netgear Wireless-N Dual band adapter". drat. hence lspci, lsusb, hwinfo, inxi, ...
18:43<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: "lspci -nn | grep Network"
18:43<mnuhmnuh>m_g_lewis: "lsusb -nn | grep Network"
18:43<mnuhmnuh>both.
18:44<mnuhmnuh>or maybe lsusb -v?
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18:49<mnuhmnuh>i do not know how to use lsusb. :-P
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19:06<mnuhmnuh>nyov: last i heard, win* can't see multiple ptns on a usbkey. so customs can't see the ext4 linux ptn2 ...
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19:10<nyov>mnuhmnuh: when you trust in them being that stupid, I wouldn't even bother actually
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19:12<mnuhmnuh>stupid is as stupid does, maam.
19:12<nyov>i mean, I wouldn't put my valuable hidden data there in hopes of them being ignorant enough to not find a 2nd partition
19:13<mnuhmnuh>good 4 you, two steps ahead.
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19:29<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: testing your theory: I plug in my 23GB USB stick with debian-live ISO9660 in first partition, and a 28 GB ext4 3rd partition -- stretch says it is MBR partition table disk, and automounts both those partitions for me.
19:29<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: Win10 says: You need to format the disk in drive E: before you can use it. Do you want to format it?
19:30<sqrt{not}>s/23GB/32GB/
19:31<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: when I tell windows "cancel", it next says: E:\ is not accessible. The volume does not contain a recognized file system.
19:32<mnuhmnuh>q.e.d?
19:32<mnuhmnuh>fun stuff, yeah?
19:33<dboles>security through the world's most paper-thin layer of obscurity
19:34<dboles>that is punched through as soon as someone has a macbook or just knows more about computers than how to check their email
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19:36<sqrt{not}>true, exactly what nyov + mnuhmnuh were saying, and we are all correct (but probably all of us are not actually paranoid enough)
19:36<mnuhmnuh>dboles: i know! but nine times out of ten, it's going to be more than enough. feature of the system. the more "crap they bolt on", the more it fails miserably.
19:38<mnuhmnuh>competent computer users are not that frequent out there in the wild.
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19:38<dboles>someone walking around with a usb key which, when plugged in, prompts that there's an unrecognisable partition on there? yeah, nothing suspicious there! plenty of people walk around with just genuinely corrupted drives
19:39<mnuhmnuh>dunno what could be the problem officer.
19:40<dboles>'well, i did microwave my porridge yesterday. can that do it? boy howdy. i *thought* there werent as many cat videos on there as there were last week!'
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19:44*mnuhmnuh wtf is it about cat videos?!? how the hell did we end up with a cat video meme!?!
19:46<sqrt{not}>yup, probably more secure to smuggle the cat videos on betamax tapes.
19:46<dboles>i was trying to think of what normal people do on the computer and panicked
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19:48*mnuhmnuh this chatting ought to be in #debian-offtopic. eof.
19:48<nyov>lol. but really, microwave?
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19:48<dboles>yes, the mention of microwaving porridge should be red flag enough. i'm fleeing the country now
19:49<nyov>here is how you might find data on my usb sticks... dd if=/dev/usbstick bs=512 count=4 skip=4
19:49<nyov>but psst
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19:50<eamanu>Hi!
19:50<retrospectacus>hey
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20:44<misha>Всем привет.
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