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00:00<error>i didnt know they had chat rooms
00:00<error>hello everybody im fairly new to really learning linux
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00:03<mome>error: Hi, do you have a question?
00:04<error>yes i do
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00:04<error>i am fairly new but ive been training my skils on parrot os
00:05<mome>!parrot
00:05<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
00:05<error>im wanting to learn how to create my own dict for wpa cracking
00:05<error>i was using kali linux for the past 3 months
00:06<error>and parrot os is much better in my opinion so far with the smoother options i guess
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00:07<mome>error: We do not promote those practices, you can use google to seek whatever you need.
00:07<mome>!ask
00:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:08<error>i have a problem with trying to delete files from my file manager when i make a mistake
00:08<error>how to i get premission to delete these files?
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00:11<error>?
00:12<error>could u help me with my question?
00:12<error>how can i delete locked files from my file manager?
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00:23<Ionic>can I find build logs for non-unstable packages somewhere?
00:24<Ionic>buildd.debian.org has unstable ones, but I'm interested in one for a stretch package for instance
00:25<mome>Ionic: Do you mean this? https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php
00:26<Ionic>in theory yes, but it doesn't have the information I'm looking for
00:26<mome>Ionic: I can see stretch-backports there
00:27<Ionic>I'm actually looking for firefox-esr builds for stretch - and those don't seem to exist there
00:27<mome>Ionic: You right
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00:29<Ionic>FWIW, I don't understand how firefox-esr 60.2.2esr1~deb9u1 ever made it into stretch-security for ppc64el
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00:30<Ionic>the source package build-depends on rustc and cargo, both of which are not available for ppc64el
00:30<Ionic>that's why I'm desperately looking for build logs
00:32<Ionic>(for that matter, even if I make both dependencies amd64- and i386-specific in control.in, that'll only lead to configure failing later on)
00:33<Ionic>so I seriously have no idea how these packages were ever built successfully for that platform and that dist
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00:34<mome>Ionic: Do you mean firefox-esr 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1?
00:35<Ionic>yes, I do
00:35<mome>Ionic: Do you need it?
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00:36<Ionic>I... uh... what? I want to rebuild this package from source (targetting stretch on ppc64el), but it doesn't work due to the aformentioned problem
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00:37<mome>Ionic: Check over here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr
00:37<Ionic>the only explanation for why it even is in the repository I could come up so far is that someone cobble-hacked that together with a local rustc/cargo installation and then uploaded it to the archive directly
00:37<mome>Ionic: I can see ppc64el at the bottom
00:37<Ionic>I know that the binary packages are available - but I don't understand how that's possible
00:38<Ionic>yes, so do I, and there's no way this is possible if it was built cleanly via debian's buildd infrastructure
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00:39<Ionic>the source package explicitly build-depends on rustc and cargo (uncondtionally): https://salsa.debian.org/mozilla-team/firefox/blob/debian/60.2.2esr-1/debian/control.in#L64
00:39<Ionic>and these packages are not available in stretch for ppc64el
00:40<mome>Ionic: Interesting. If they were able to build from source, don't see why you can't
00:40<Ionic>well, that's the mystery
00:40<Ionic>I wonder WHO built that package and uploaded it to the archive and HOW the user made that successfully
00:42<mome>Ionic: Maybe we are missing something
00:43<Ionic>I'm pretty sure I haven't, but... who knows
00:43<Ionic>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rustc rustc only has amd64, arm64 and i386 packages (albeit the last two arches are outdated)
00:44<mome>Ionic: God, there is no cargo package available for stretch.
00:44<Ionic>which would also be problematic for an i386 build because the firefox-esr control file depends upon rustc >= 1.24
00:44<Ionic>yeah
00:44<mome>Ionic: Wow
00:44<Ionic>so how was that package built? I'm running against a wall here
00:45<Ionic>like I said, the only explanation I have so far is that the DD coobble-hacked rustc and cargo packages on a ppc64el box locally and then built the package and uploaded the binary packages manually to the archive
00:45<Ionic>I have no idea if that's possible in debian (policies and such), but it's the only explanation I've got so far
00:46<Ionic>I'd assume that official binary packages must go through the debian's buildd infrastructure (minus non-free packages)
00:46<mome>Ionic: I suspect from buster
00:46<Ionic>or maybe force-installed from buster, yeah
00:47<Ionic>buster does have ppc64el packages for rustc and cargo in a recent enough version
00:47<mome>Ionic: there are ppc64el builds for both on buster, but didn't check dependencies
00:48<Ionic>but that would also mean that the maintainer used ugly, cross-dist package pinning
00:48<Ionic>and that the buildd infrastructure wasn't used for these builds
00:49<mome>Ionic: Look
00:49<mome>Ionic: I have stretch with firefox-esr 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1 on it
00:49<Ionic>yeah
00:49<mome>Ionic: There is no cargo o rustc package in my system
00:50<Ionic>well of course not, because they aren't run-time dependencies
00:50<Ionic>just build deps
00:50<mome>Ionic: So it is mabey somehow already build into the firefox package
00:51<Ionic>so it maaaaaay be okayish from a packaging standpoint, but it still means that people are not able to rebuild the package from source directly (on some arches at least)
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00:51<mome>Ionic: May be
00:52<mome>Ionic: I have no ppc64el, this make me curious.
00:53<Ionic>if need be I'll also install rustc and cargo from buster in my sbuild chroot, but uh... that just doesn't sound right
00:53<Ionic>well, yeah, but even on amd64 you'd have no cargo
00:54<Ionic>not in stretch, anyway
00:54<mome>Ionic: ^^
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01:10<jm_>have you looked at the build log? https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=firefox-esr&arch=ppc64el&ver=60.2.2esr-1&stamp=1538575922&raw=0
01:11<jm_>hmm that can't be the right build log, that's for unstable
01:12<jm_>can't see build log for stretch yet, maybe because it's from security
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01:14<Ionic>jm_: yes, that's the point - there no stretch build logs whatsoever
01:15<Ionic>and yeah, firefox-esr is part of stretch-security
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01:16<mome>Ionic: You know what, I did a quick check of dependencies for you.
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01:18<Ionic>and? rustc and cargo should be pretty self-contained AFAIK
01:18<mome>Ionic: I know this is not recommended, but if you feel like with enough experience dealing with dependecies and want to assume risks, I think you should be able to pick rustc and cargo from buster manualy, then fix dependencies manualy also.
01:19<Ionic>yeah, I know I could do that, but it sounds hacky and I wonder how that's not a QA problem for debian since the maintainer must have done that for a binary package build
01:19<mome>Ionic: I didn't find any dependencies problem from stretch.
01:19<jm_>!check-backports firefox-esr
01:20<jm_>,check-backports firefox-esr
01:20<Ionic>firefox-esr isn't in backports, it's a stretch-security backport
01:20<jm_>that's not the point of the above check
01:20<Ionic>oh
01:21<jm_>,checkbackports firefox-esr
01:21<jm_>hmm let me fight correct command
01:21<jm_>,checkbackport firefox-esr
01:21<judd>Backporting package firefox-esr in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.19~), libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.36.4~), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.22.0), libhunspell-dev (>= 1.5), cargo (>= 0.25).
01:21<jm_>,checkbackport cargo
01:21<judd>Backporting package cargo in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cargo (>= 0.17.0) <!pkg.cargo.mkstage0> | cargo:native (>= 0.17.0) <!pkg.cargo.mkstage0>.
01:21<Ionic>and for ppc64el, that would also be rustc
01:22<jm_>so apparently not a trivial task
01:23<Ionic>I guess the maintainer has just used pinning for cargo and rustc when building firefox-esr, but I'm still a bit stumped as to how that's not a huge QA issue
01:23<Ionic>(i.e., pinning in order to pull in cargo and rustc packages from buster)
01:24<mome>Ionic: But, what you need, is to be able to rebuild firefox-esr right?
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01:24<Ionic>well, yeah, I'm actually tasked to rebuild it and then also build older versions to find out which version started to crash upon startup first
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03:33<itd>Ionic: You could try to ask #debian-rust how to (re)build rust/firefox. Just be nice, please. :) (IIRC updating firefox/rust for stretch was a lot of work. Caught on the wrong foot, people will probably get worked up easily.)
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04:05<Ionic>mh, since rust is now mandatory, I believe that...
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05:22<fantasmo>debian rocks!
05:23<SpeedyG>d0h ^_^
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05:32<GoGi>firefox seems to download a binary blob to /home/x/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/gmp-gmpopenh264/1.6/libgmpopenh264.so
05:32<GoGi>at least I do not know where it comes from
05:32<GoGi>what is this?
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05:43<arto>GoGi: what did you do?
05:45<GoGi>I do not know. I have read that there is a media.gmp-gmpopenh264.enabled setting which is false by default on debian
05:45<GoGi>it is still false here
05:45<GoGi>I also created a new empty home directory and still firefox downloads this file
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05:46<GoGi>I also found several old bugs that this was downloaded by default in the past but they are all fixed
05:46<GoGi>at least I think it is the same thing
05:47<arto>GoGi: yea, I saw them too. Perhaps firefox needs that to show some content, I can't say more, sorry.
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05:53<olspookishmagus>ummm... I need to be "on-line" in order to be able to purge a package?
05:53<arto>olspookishmagus: no
05:53<jm_>no
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05:54<olspookishmagus>I tried: sudo apt-get purge tracker after it couldn't connect to the internet it didn't complete the process
05:55<jm_>GoGi: cat /home/x/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/gmp-gmpopenh264/1.6/gmpopenh264.info
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05:57<arto>olspookishmagus: I installed tracker, then purged it, nothing refers it would need net access
06:00<olspookishmagus>arto: now that freaks me out
06:00<arto>olspookishmagus: can you paste your purge command and it's output to paste.debian.net?
06:01<olspookishmagus>sure, give some time to boot-up my laptop and I will get back to you with a link, thanks
06:01<arto>olspookishmagus: ok
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06:13<olspookishmagus>arto, here: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/52670339
06:14<arto>olspookishmagus: that really confirms what you say, interesting
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06:15<olspookishmagus>apt-cache policy tracker shows the installed version is: 2.1.4-1
06:17<arto>olspookishmagus: installs retroarch and other packages, hmm
06:18<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: If you have a close look, your apt run tries to *install* packages, and your internet is broken.
06:18<olspookishmagus>petn-randall: and?
06:18<olspookishmagus>maybe there's some functionality of the packages being purged that apt tries to keep on-going
06:18<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: Try `apt-get purge tracker retroarch`, it seems like you marked those packages for install in aptitude or somehow else.
06:19<olspookishmagus>good call petn-randall how can I check whether I've marked packages for installation?
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06:19<arto>olspookishmagus: what is libminiupnpc17?
06:19<arto>olspookishmagus: not in i386
06:21<jm_>it's in sid
06:21<arto>oh boy
06:21<olspookishmagus>if this boils to my system being frankendebian, pardon me already
06:23<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy'?
06:23<olspookishmagus>$ dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -u
06:23<olspookishmagus>deinstall
06:23<olspookishmagus>install
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06:26<olspookishmagus>petn-randall, here: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/f6f61579
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06:30<olspookishmagus>nevermind, I'll have a look @ it when I'm back @ home
06:32<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: That is a Frankendebian, yes. So good luck.
06:33<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: I recommend reinstalling either stable, or fully upgrading to buster/sid.
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07:19<GoGi>jm_: It is version 1.6.0
07:20<GoGi>and the file was created yesterday
07:20<GoGi>which is even stranger since 1.7.1 is already available
07:20<GoGi>my other user accounts have 1.7.1 with *earlier* dates
07:21<GoGi>and how can I make sure this is not malware or something?
07:21<GoGi>there seems to be no way to find an official url for these binaries
07:21<jm_>GoGi: yeah I have 1.7.1 in that dir :)
07:21<GoGi>the standard cisco binaries are different
07:21<GoGi>they are a few bytes larger, for 1.7.1 and for 1.6.0
07:21<jm_>but using mozilla's firefox
07:22<GoGi>what is the right mailing list to ask about this problem?
07:22<jm_>if you are using debian packages then simply submit a bug - I have looked and haven't seen one for firefox-esr (but I did not look deeply)
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07:27<jm_>lookin in omni.ja my copy of firefox comes with, it has this URL http://ciscobinary.openh264.org/openh264-linux64-0410d336bb748149a4f560eb6108090f078254b1.zip and yes, my md5sum also differs from that one
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07:28<jm_>ahh no wonder, that one is 1.6.0 - would need to try it with a clean profile to see where it fetches it from
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07:39<GoGi>what is omni.ja?
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07:39<jm_>ls -l /usr/lib/firefox-esr/omni.ja
07:40<jm_>found references to gmpopen in there
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07:41<GoGi>thank you
07:41<GoGi>I see it too
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07:41<jm_>no worries
07:41<GoGi>altough I do not know what format this file has I found the string
07:41<GoGi>the good news is that this is the version that was downloaded
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07:42<GoGi>so something triggered the download of this file
07:42<jm_>yup
07:42<GoGi>while on the other accounts something triggered the download of the 1.7.1 version
07:43<Ali>i have issue in tp link v3 please help
07:43<GoGi>thank you for finding this. Now I am not worried about malware anymore
07:43<GoGi>I will still file this as a bug
07:44<jm_>Ali: this channel is for help with debian issues only
07:44<archer>Does anyone know of a minimal installation disk that debian may or may have not released? I am looking for something similar to archlinux but debian based.
07:45<Ali>Oh!
07:45<jm_>heh do installation floppies from 1990-s count?
07:46<archer>jm_: as long as the kernel can support modern modules and hardware i careless :D
07:47<jm_>archer: is netinst iso not small enough?
07:47<archer>jm_: so netisnt is what i need to find, thank you!
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07:48<Ali>I Know Bro But I want to Solve the issue plz have any idea about my problem
07:48<jm_>archer: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
07:49<archer>jm_: thanks just needed to know if one existed!
07:49<jm_>archer: no problem
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10:52<someusername>mnuhmnuh: Oct 18 14:46:52 kernel: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x25 (or later)
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10:53<someusername>Oct 18 14:46:52 kernel: r8169 0000:02:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control
10:54<someusername>and Oct 18 14:48:17 kernel: ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [^^^RP05.PEGP.PRST], AE_NOT_FOUND (20180531/psargs-330)
10:54<someusername>Oct 18 14:48:17 kernel: ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed \_SB.PCI0.LPCB.EC0._Q0F, AE_NOT_FOUND (20180531/psparse-516)
10:54<petn-randall>someusername: Do you have any questions with that, or are you just quoting randmly from dmesg?
10:55<someusername>i was responding to mnuhmnuh
10:55<someusername>(earlier)
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10:55<someusername>because my debian install keeps freezing(the computer itself freezes, i cant go to the tty or ssh)
10:55<someusername>and i can't determine the cause
10:56<someusername>and it doesnt even freeze under stress, just reading a pdf or listening to something on mpv is enough to freeze it
10:56<petn-randall>someusername: Did you have a different username? I can't find anything in the backlog.
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10:57<blast007>by 'earlier' they mean something like a day ago
10:57<someusername>petn-randall: it's the one i have currently
10:57<someusername>someusername:
10:57<petn-randall>Ah, I reconnected yesterday, I don't have it in the backlog.
10:58<someusername>i can provide you my logfile if you need it
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10:59<someusername>i'm considering reverting to stable, as upgrading to testing has been giving me nothing but issues ( computer freezes/gpu driver issues)...
11:00<grove>Hi. I've gotten a new laptop, and of course I've installed Stretch on it, just like I had on the old one. But for some reason xterm's (x-termq
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11:01<grove>Sorry, got confused by having three keyboards in front of me
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11:05<grove>For some reason xterm's on by new laptop have black text on a white background, where as they had white (or something close) text on black background on the old one that was upgraded from Jessie (and possibly from Wheezy before that). Both have the x-terminal-emulator alternative set to lxterm. Which file have I forgotten to copy? (or is this a - IMHO: bad - chance in stretch)
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11:19<arto>grove: apparently you have not searched net, I found many hits
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11:21<petn-randall>someusername: Well, you surely upgrade to testing to help with testing, right?
11:21<petn-randall>Lots of bugs to triage and report/fix!
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11:28<GoGi>how could an upgrade from firefox 5x to firefox 60 happen in debian stable?
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11:29<arto>GoGi: as root: apt install firefox-esr
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11:32<GoGi>No i mean why did they do it?
11:32<petn-randall>GoGi: Firefox 52 ESR was end of life, unsupported, and backporting any bugfixes was considered to intrusive.
11:32<petn-randall>*too
11:32<arto>GoGi: oh, you have not followed sombe bitter discussion here and elsewhere
11:33<GoGi>can the discussion be read somewhere?
11:34<petn-randall>arto: I don't recall there being bitter discussions, wasn't it decided several months in advance?
11:34<arto>GoGi: #debian is logged, and also forum.debian.net has had some threads
11:34<arto>petn-randall: some were very angry about it
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11:35<arto>petn-randall: because old extensions did not work anymore etc.
11:35<arto>*forums.debian.net
11:36<GoGi>and what is this about firefox needing rust to compile? Does firefox 60 need it? Or only newer versions?
11:36<petn-randall>GoGi: Yes, FF 60 needs rust to build.
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11:53<archer>I just updated a machine from wheezy to stretch. In wheezy my user had sudo access. Since the update it is no longer able to execute "sudo" rights giving me sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified.
11:54<archer>I've ran the $group command and indeed the user is in sudo group, I also read to add the user to /etc/sudoers both of which haven't resolved the issue. Any recommendations?
11:56<manojkumar>i am config debian apache in laravel but it not work for me can any help me??? Thank You.
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11:59<petn-randall>manojkumar: You have to explain your issue for someone to help you.
11:59<petn-randall>!ask
11:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:02<arto>archer: did you logout, group changes don't work before
12:02<manojkumar>sure
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12:03<archer>arto: Since the updates yes, its been powered off. I've since attempted those changes and rebooted with no prevail.
12:04<elliot>test
12:04<elliot>hello
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12:04<arto>archer: to me all it required was to add my user-name to sudo group
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12:05<archer>when i did $useradd -G sudo <user> its output read user is already in group sudo
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12:14<arto>archer: I don't know what is your problem, have you checked wiki.debian.org/sudo
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12:17<arto>(funny there is that page, I recently added page, and next the sudo paragraph I wrote was removed :))
12:17<arto>*next day
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12:20<someusername>petn-randall: the computer freezing ocasionally throughout the day isnt a bug, it's just broken :/
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12:28<arto>someusername: you ranted also about gpu problems, I would recommend stable anyway
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12:34<sqrt{not}>someusername: it seems also that your kernel wants newer microcode and/or bios. have you tried to iunstall the newest microcode from debian repos ?
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12:40<lyknode>Hi
12:40<arto>hi lyknode
12:40<lyknode>I've got a technical question regarding lists.debian.org. What is the best chan to ask?
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12:40<arto>lyknode: try here
12:41<someusername>sqrt{not}: yes, either with or without the intel microcode it complains upon booting and on the messages
12:41<lyknode>Ok. When I send a mail to a list, lists.debian.org forward it to all the list's recipients on behalf of me.
12:42<lyknode>Thing is, my mail domain is protected with SPF, DKIM and DMARC
12:43<lyknode>So SMTP recipients bound the mail, as defined in the DMARC policy
12:43<lyknode>How can I make it work
12:43<lyknode>?
12:44<jimpop>s/bound/bounce/
12:44<jimpop>short answer is: you can't
12:44<lyknode>long workaround :) ?
12:44<jimpop>long answer: you need a 2nd email address without DMARC to use for lists.debian.org
12:45<jimpop>add a subdomain to your domain, publish a DMARC p=none on the subdomain, and use the user@sub.domain to subscribe/post to lists.debian.org
12:45<jelly>Debian's list servers don't do SRS?
12:46<jimpop>lots of receivers just look at DMARC policy of From and ride with that
12:47<jelly>good grief
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12:47*jelly adds yet another subdomain
12:47<jimpop>yeah, try posting from a dmarc p=reject addr sometime, you'll get a good list back of who else subscribes
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12:47<jelly>:-D
12:48<jelly>privacy issue!
12:48<lyknode>jimpop: yes, I've already recived discard reports.
12:48<jimpop>jelly: yep
12:48<jelly>at least it's fun
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12:50<lyknode>Would it be possible for lists.d.o to re-issue a DKIM signature. By including lists.d.o smtp server to your SPF and the pub key to pour DKIM DNS record, it would be possible to make it work?
12:51<jimpop>you don't want to do that
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12:51<lyknode>Don't trust lists.d.o?
12:52<jimpop>do you trust them to manage your domain's reputation?
12:52<lyknode>true that.
12:53<jimpop>the only real current solution is for l.d.o to wrap dmarc'ed posts
12:53<jimpop>somewhere in the future ARC will help out
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12:55<lyknode>oh well, tricky subject the email exchange. Thanks for your anwsers jimpop!
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12:59<jelly>mail used to be simple
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12:59<jelly>then the big three broke forwards and lists forever
13:00<virus>bonsoir
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13:00<jimpop>jelly: systemd appeared around the same time... conspiracy?
13:00<jimpop>:-)
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13:02<virus>comment ça se passe ici??
13:03<arto>!fr
13:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
13:03<virus>dpkg
13:04<virus>ici c'est seulement en Anglais??
13:04<bremner>oui
13:05<virus>je me bas juste unpeu en anglais hein??
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13:12<virus>gar ca dit quoi??
13:12<retrospectacus>!fr
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13:54<mnuhmnuh>someusername: might need "contrib non-free" in your sources.list? aptitude search microcode
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14:03<mnuhmnuh>someusername: apt search microcode is even more chatty.
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14:12<sqrt{not}>someusername: in my dmesg I see "[ 0.476001] microcode: sig=0x506e3, pf=0x2, revision=0xc6
14:13<sqrt{not}>someusername: of course the numbers depend on exactly which CPU you have onboard
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14:16<archer>Anyone have experience with kodachi? Curious as to some user feedback
14:19<mnuhmnuh>someusername: in case it hasn't been mentioned, testing/buster and sid is #debian-next
14:21<sqrt{not}>someusername: mnuhmnuh's suggested `apt search microcode` gives me this result (among others):
14:21<sqrt{not}>intel-microcode/stable,now 3.20180807a.1~deb9u1 amd64 [installed]
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14:25<mnuhmnuh>i don't have _any_ of them installed here. box works great. :-) i do see "microcode: sig=0x6fb, pf=0x10, revision=0xb6" in dmesg, but from initial install (days ago).
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14:33<mnuhmnuh>archer: what is kodachi?
14:34<archer>mnuhmnuh: the debian answer to tails
14:34<mnuhmnuh>archer: i'll look into that, thanks. :-)
14:34<archer>face value to me was amazing, i havent got to dissect it to see how i can improve my debian machine yet but i love the face value
14:35<archer>mnuhmnuh: https://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=a3cb9e530ec47f650f8ea3cc2bdd30efaea8f4fb
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14:51<Cerebral>Hello.
14:52<Cerebral>Do metapackages have .dsc files?
14:52<Cerebral>Or just the sources and packages?\
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14:55<Guest820>kk
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14:56<Guest820>how much majny to commit suicide )
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15:02<mnuhmnuh>brings on many changes, not recommended.
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15:12<Cerebral>Do metapackages have .dsc files?
15:12<Cerebral>Or just the sources,packages and sections?
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15:45<project2501a>hey guys, sorry to bother you but i have this problem: when i lock up my workstation (not laptop, not on UPS), all the process i have started in gnome are killed as well
15:45<project2501a>and then when i log back in, i got to restart them
15:46<project2501a>i googled around a bit, but didn't find anything, maybe my searching sucks
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15:53<itd>project2501a: How do you do "lock up" that machine?
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15:54<EmleyMoor>When I'm running amarok, I can't access the storage on my phone in Debian's file manager... why would that be?
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15:58<itd>dpkg: mtp
15:58<dpkg>Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is a Microsoft protocol for transferring images, music (etc.) between a computer and a portable device. Standardized as a USB device class in 2008. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; <jmtpfs> provides conventional filesystem access. See also <PTP>.
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16:00<itd>EmleyMoor: Maybe you need to teach amarok how to talk to your phone? ^
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16:01<dboles>or do you mean that you can normally see it in the FM, but that stops working when Amarok is running?
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16:47<znoteer>Since an update/upgrade, I can't start sshd anymore. Here's a paste of "systemctl status ssh.service" https://paste.debian.net/hidden/769d94d1/. If I run /usr/sbin/sshd -t, I get the message "ignoring unknown attr section aeabi\nSegmentation fault". I haven't found anything useful on the web. Can anyone help me figure out why sshd won't start?
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16:48<znoteer>I grep'd aeabi in all files in /etc/ssh, but turned up no results, so I don't know what the error message is talking about
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16:49<dboles>AEABI is an ABI for the ARM infrastructure, afaict
16:49<dboles>*architecture
16:50<znoteer>that makes sense since this is on an arm box, but I don't understand how that affects sshd
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16:54<EmleyMoor>itd: Or teach it not to
16:54<dboles>znoteer: can't you get the debug symbols and get a backtrace?
16:54<EmleyMoor>dboles: Can normally see it, but not if Amarok is running
16:55<dboles>hm, is MTP an exclusive protocol? i can't remember from whenever i had MTP devices years ago
16:56<znoteer>dboles: what are debug symbols and how do I do a backtrace?
16:57<znoteer>oh crap, I just noticed the time. I'll have to come back to this problem. Thanks, dboles, maybe later
17:01<itd>EmleyMoor: Right. :) Maybe try to disable 'MTP Collection' - https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/b/bb/Amarok_2.8_ConfigurationDialogPlugins.png ?
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18:00<ullbeking>if i use apt-get --reinstall then will this change a package's "auto" mark to "manual"?
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18:26<nyov>ullbeking: good question. But I think not
18:27<rander2>I'm using 8.11 , and the ping don't go, the answer is : icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
18:28<rander2> ls -l `which ping `
18:28<rander2>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44104 nov 8 2014 /bin/ping
18:28<nyov>ping must have CAP_NET access. (or is that CAP_NET_RAW?)
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18:28<nyov>in short, use it as root, setuid root, or setcap it
18:29<rander2>is it normal ? I may ping only as root, strange
18:29<nyov>ping used to be setuid root, afaik. but I think it did ask at install time whether to set it or not
18:30<ullbeking>nyov: ok, thanks... this whole auto/manual apt-mark thing is extremely confusing
18:30<rander2>in past was possible ping as normal user , setuid is a security problem. In a linux system could be possible as a normal user ping a host as test
18:30<nyov>rander2: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow iputils-ping
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18:30<nyov>ullbeking: you can set it back to auto if it's manual
18:31<rander2>thanks I try
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18:31<nyov>ullbeking: apt-mark auto <package>
18:31<rander2>Setcap worked! Ping(6) is not suid!
18:32<rander2>ok, now go
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18:34<ullbeking>nyov: yes, i understand the syntax of how to mark the packages. but i have about 50 packages that got installed as NEW packages and were dependencies of the half-dozen manually specified packages. for some reason, they are showing up as manually installed when i run `apt-mark showmanual`
18:34<ullbeking>there is a twist...
18:35<ullbeking>i did interrupt the installation
18:35<nyov>ullbeking: aptitude is still the best bet to set many packages (back) to auto, in a short time
18:35<ullbeking>around the time the packages were unpackages and "mostly installed" but the configuration scripts obvsiously hadn't finished running
18:36<rander2>here many are really debian hacker
18:36<rander2>high level , compliment
18:36<ullbeking>nyov: i'm think about purging the packages the got auto-installed and then simply running apt-get install again on the half-dozen manual packages
18:37<ullbeking>nyov: and yes, it looks to me that aptitude has a lot fo very sophisticed way to manage these things
18:37<ullbeking>problem is, i don't know if it keeps a different set of flags and metadata than APT does
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18:40<nyov>ullbeking: it has it's own cache-thingys, but that shouldn't be a problem
18:40<nyov>packages marked auto are the same for apt and aptitude
18:40<ullbeking>cool
18:42<virus>you speack French??
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18:51<mnuhmnuh>they don't grok anglais?
18:52<bremner>dpkg: tell virus about fr
18:53*mnuhmnuh nice handle. nah, i'm not touching that.
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