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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-20

---Logopened Sat Oct 20 00:00:33 2018
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01:12<bnw>Hi there, what's the difference between Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Depends when packaging?
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02:15<soji>hello
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04:14<erkan>Hello everyone, I am having trouble with my MSI GT62 on Debian Stretch, installed few days from stable branch. Problem is nvme timeout according to /var/log/messages and causing root fs to be read only which crashes all running VM's on virtualbox.
04:16<erkan>This is happenning overnight for 2 times in a row now, and I have installed this machine 3 days ago, so basically problem occurs every night
04:17<erkan>Oct 20 04:36:39 gt62 kernel: [25892.825142] nvme nvme0: I/O 577 QID 7 timeout, aborting
04:17<erkan>Linux gt62 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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04:36<hack>hi
04:37<hack>helo
04:37<arto>helo hack
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04:55<bzf>Hi! I recently bought a laptop (Thinkpad x260) and installed Debian 9.5 stable onto it. It seems that it won't boot unless I pass either the nolapic or acpi=off flags in grub when booting. If I do that the system boots, but it only recognizes one core of the CPU. Does anyone have any ideas what it could be?
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08:12<laptop>what is the best distro that someone would recommend for an old hp pavillion amd dual core 1.7 ghz 4 gb ram and geforce video card
08:16<laptop>also is debian 8 faster than debian 9
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08:18<bremner>installing debian 8 now sounds like just asking for hassles (out of date software).
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08:19<laptop>will it run faster than debian 9
08:19<bremner>laptop: I suspect debian can run OK on such a slow machine, but probably not GNOME, KDE, or XFCE
08:19<laptop>I tried xfce with mxlinux and it was too fast
08:20<laptop>I tried installing manjaro/lubuntu and no go despite 4 gb ram
08:20<laptop>I then installed antix and the fan is not railing but it plays lotro fine
08:20<laptop>which is amazing that I can play lotro
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09:40<AleksejShilin>Hi! Where does /etc/profile come from? 'dpkg -S' doesn't know.
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09:46<vezult>I'm unable to verify the SHA1SUMS for jigodo files
09:46<vezult>https://dpaste.de/TE6m
09:46<vezult>what am I doing wrong?
09:47<vezult>https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Verify_the_downloaded_ISOs
09:48<vezult>I'm doing that, and verification fails
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09:48<vezult>I've installed all the debian-keyring related packages
09:48<vezult>and using any of them like: gpg --keyring /path/to/keyring --verify ...
09:49<vezult>doesn't find a signature
09:49<vezult>what's the deal?
09:49<vezult>I would have assumed that the debian CD signing key would be easy to find/use
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09:50<vezult>Anyting else would be highly surprising, so it seems more likely I'm just doing something stupid
09:50<vezult>I just don't see what it is
09:51<vezult>also...weechat seems to be unable to verify the letsencrypt cert used by irc.debian.org
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09:52<vezult>it's pointed at /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
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09:52<vezult>is letsencrypt not a trusted CA in debian yet?
09:53<nyov>(hahaha, I remember having the same verification issue, the one time I tried burning jigdo isos. But that's ages past)
09:53<nyov>vezult: letsencrypt should be trusted
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09:54<nyov>by default*. if you manually handle your ca-list you might have not enabled it
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09:56<nyov>since it's in the mozilla trust root. but I do seem to have a hard time finding it now... huh
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10:01<nyov>vezult: you can find signing keys in the debian-keyring package, under /usr/share/keyrings/
10:01<nyov>did you try all those?
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10:04<oo_miguel>after removing my nvidia card, should I update-altertnatives for glx, or how can I get openGL working on my onboard intel chip?
10:05<nyov>vezult: gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.sign works for me
10:06<vezult>nyov: gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify ...
10:06<vezult>that did the trick
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10:09<oo_miguel>ok setting glx to mesa-diverted made it work
10:10<nyov>nice
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10:16<juko>hi all
10:17<juko>what's up ?
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10:44<GenTooMan>greets using shred should wipe a hard disk enough for proper disposal correct? IE shred -vfz /dev/sd? (slow but on smaller drives fast enough)
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11:01<whoami>ola
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11:03<whoami>onde estao os outros ?
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11:19<bremner>!es
11:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:26<laptop>quick question about debia
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11:26<whoami>salve galera huhehue
11:27<laptop>this command syndaemon, I have to keep typing it
11:27<laptop>in each time the computer loads in order to disable touch typing
11:27<laptop>any permanent solutions, it works after I enter the command but it takes time
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11:27<whoami>Debian é muito bom uso a interface grafica xfce
11:28<bremner>dpkg: tell whoami about es
11:28<bremner>laptop: "disable touch typing"?
11:29<laptop>yes that is right
11:29<bremner>I don't know what that means. Hence the question mark.
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11:31<bremner>laptop: I'd try starting syndaemon from .xsessionrc. Desktop environment users might have other ideas.
11:33<whoami>debian is very good i am learning iptables. is very productive iptables with shell scripting.
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11:52<laptop>how do I start syndameon in the manner that you suggest
11:52<laptop>I have a barebone debian installation
11:53<laptop>I need a script that does that maybe?
11:55<whoami>I recommend udemy's courses great!
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12:00<bremner>laptop: the details are in "man xsession"
12:00<laptop>is there any package that can solve this?
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12:04<laptop>also is there any way to turn off swap or delete it
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12:06<bean9916>Hello! I'm trying to create a dual-boot w10 system and whenever I select debian from the boot manager it throws me into GRUB with a fairly unhelpful message
12:09<bean9916>Try (hd0,0): NTFS5: No ang0
12:09<bean9916>Try (hd0,1): NTFS5:
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12:09<bremner>laptop: did you try removing the swap partition from /etc/fstab?
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12:11<laptop>no I did not do anything yet, too afraid to remove swap partition, I have two gigs of ram. I took out the other 2 gbs since I never use it. Even with chromoium latest version running picture in picture and two videos at a time it never goes above 2 gb
12:11<laptop>also even playing lotro never goes above 2 gbs
12:12<laptop>the processor hits 100% before it could ever use 4 gb
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12:14<bremner>why would you take out memory?
12:15<bremner>I'd say it's pretty unlikely that more memory makes things slower.
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12:15<bremner>_maybe_ slightly more power consumption, but I'd want to see measurements.
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12:16<laptop>well I can tell you that the processor hits 100% with the amd 64 1.7 core2duo before the memory does.
12:16<laptop>I am tried a heavier distribution and still the most I got to was 2.5 gb but no need to go heavier everything is just really slow
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12:18<laptop>the support on this channel beats anything I can ever get with microsoft it is insane
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12:48<nyov>laptop: unless you're 2gb limited because of physical 2GB memory barrier, it makes much sense to keep the rest of the RAM, since linux will use it for caching
12:49<nyov>laptop: and then your machine also won't be slooow because of it swapping out to disk
12:49<laptop>swap is like zero, I opened up 15 webpages on chromium
12:50<laptop>and foxit pdf and libre office with a few documents and was still under 2 gb
12:50<laptop>not sure how but was
12:50<laptop>and swap was zero
12:50<nyov>it should be, usually
12:51<nyov>I was thinking more about you running those games there
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12:52<laptop>lotro runs under 2 gb and it cannot really play anything else
12:52<laptop>I tried path of the exile
12:56<laptop>2 gb goes far in linux
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12:59<bremner>laptop: if you have another use for the 2G stick, fine. But otherwise it seems like you're just being stubborn for no reason.
12:59<laptop>I want to sell the other stick on ebay to be honest. I am going to put the 512 mb stick in there I agree
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13:00<laptop>with you honestly I will need more memory eventually
13:00<laptop>with the 2 gb
13:00<laptop>I have tried everything I can do to hit the 4 gb to be honest
13:00<laptop>the processor is ancient amd turion dual core 1.7 ghz from 2003
13:02<laptop>I will keep playing around and see about putting the other stick in there, you might be right but it seems when I do memory intensive task the cpu hits 100% first and then I cannot even it to use the remaining amount of memory
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13:03<TobiX>I don't think a 2GB memory stick will sell for much anyways...
13:03<TobiX>If a system is swapping like hell you will also get 100% CPU...
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13:04<laptop>it is not
13:04<laptop>that is what so is weird
13:04<laptop>I have conky monitor on
13:04<laptop>and there is like no swap for what I need to do wit the laptop
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13:04<laptop>my i5 eats memory like crazty
13:04<laptop>but this cannot seem to handle it
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13:11<shekho>how to hack
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13:18<archer>first, go to a hardware store; then buy an axe / hatchet; after that go to a local logging company and go to town
13:19<bean9916>then download more ram
13:20<archer>Has anyone had user issues when conducting upgrades in reference to group access? Specifically sudoers?
13:20<nyov>and wire a faster clock into the cpu
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13:21<bean9916>Not that I know of
13:21<bean9916>It should work fine so long as you're root
13:22<nyov>hahaha good one. must remember that one
13:23<bean9916>Is it complaining about $USER not being in sudoers?
13:23<archer>bean9916: thats what i thought, but when i tried to do a simple sudo command it told me tty + askpass program
13:23<archer>since, ive deleted the user added a new one and get the same issue
13:24<bean9916>Try $su
13:24<mnuhmnuh>su -
13:24<sqrt{not}>bean9916: what boot manager are you using, and what version of debian did you install ?
13:24<archer>i can change to the users easily, the users arent able to use sudo
13:24<archer>ok be right back
13:25<bean9916>I'm using the Windows Boot Manager which points at a partition with Debian 9.5.0
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13:26<archer>i think i broke it :D
13:26<archer>i might have to just nuke this
13:26<bean9916>On the same partition partition is grub4dos
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13:30<sqrt{not}>bean9916: all my dual-boot windows/debian installations, i have windows installed first, and then let the debian installer install grub itself as the boot manager. works great. I don't know about Windows Boot Manager
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13:33<mnuhmnuh>and what is grub4dos? don't wanna know.
13:35<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader?highlight=%28grub4dos%29
13:36<mnuhmnuh>"Not supported by Debian."
13:37*mnuhmnuh yup, the wiki works. :-)
13:37<bean9916>yeah it's a bit of a mess
13:38<bean9916>I'm going to try something a bit different, will follow the advice on debian wiki
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13:38<mnuhmnuh>follow sqrt{not}'s suggest. installer works well, so's grub.
13:40<olspookishmagus>ummm... how come there's no cinelerra package?
13:40<olspookishmagus>non-free software or what not?
13:41<mnuhmnuh>what is cinelerra?
13:45<mnuhmnuh>ah. "Audio-Video_Editing"? according to fvwm-crystal.
13:45<bean9916>Hmm
13:45<bean9916>try adding debian-multimedia to your repositories
13:46<bean9916>Add the line
13:46<bean9916>deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free
13:46<bean9916>to /etc/apt/sources.list
13:46<bean9916>then run apt-get update and cinelerra should be there
13:48<olspookishmagus>no no no no no
13:49<olspookishmagus>bad experiences with that repository in the past
13:49<olspookishmagus>but thanks :D
13:49<bean9916>Bad experiences?
13:49<annadane>!debian-multimedia
13:49<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
13:49<annadane>do NOT USE.
13:49<bean9916>oh i see hmm
13:50<bean9916>well uh there's always compiling it from source
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13:51<annadane>sure. can put it in /opt or /usr/local (or just use stow which does it for you0
13:51<annadane>) *
13:51<annadane>i think stow is actually preferable generally speaking
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13:59<mnuhmnuh>never heard of stow. sheesh.
14:02<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/UserTips?highlight=%28stow%29
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14:02<mnuhmnuh>ignore that.
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14:28<bean9916>Ok, so the method I eventually used was detailed here
14:28<bean9916>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/X1%20Carbon%204thGen%20PCIe_SSD/jessie
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14:28<bean9916>Main thing that fixed it was manually installing grub
14:28<bean9916>only took me eight hours in total, wtf
14:29<bean9916>And also turns out using the windows boot manager is a silly move, don't be doing that
14:30<whoami_>bye
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14:52<nyov>annadane: is stow easier to use than checkinstall? do you know, by chance?
14:52<annadane>dunno
14:53<annadane>i guess one is an actual .deb install and the other is just symlinks, personally i think i prefer the latter (stow) as a concept
14:53<nyov>I always forget the way to do stuff with checkinstall so I don't bother anymore
14:53<nyov>ah okay
14:53<annadane>because of trust
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14:54<annadane>also a nicer way of navigating the file tree but i haven't really used them
14:56<nyov>I'll have to take a look when I get the chance.
14:56<annadane>from a quick internet search stow is apparently also a bit simpler
14:56<nyov>ah, and there is xstow. confusing
14:58<nyov>maybe I shall rather get better at #packaging my stuffs ;D
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15:02<SteKru>!why not dmm
15:02<dpkg>The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
15:03<SteKru>!dmm list
15:03<dpkg>To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
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15:03<mnuhmnuh>nyov: that is fascinating, just comparing the output from apt show stow and xstow. perl --> c++, oodles of sophisticated addons to a relatively simple concept, ... :-| woof.
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15:06<mnuhmnuh>try "!hi"
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15:38<nyov>to re-create a cowbuilder env, can I just manually rm -rf kill the cow dir?
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15:39*nyov needs new cows to build stuff, old ones going lame
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15:41<nyov>suppose I'll just have to try and hope there wasn't any potent magic involved with that cow stuff to go boom in my face
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15:45<jrtc27>nyov: yes, cowbuilder just uses hardlinks under the hood, so deleting the .cow directory is fine
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15:45<jrtc27>you only need to be careful about rm -rf'ing the copies in build/ as they might still have bindmounts from the main root fs
15:50<mnuhmnuh>i'm reading https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Buster/Architecture and it talks about, but never defines, LTSP Servers. what does that acro. mean?
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15:52<nyov>jrtc27: thanks!
15:52<nyov>that helps a lot
15:52<mnuhmnuh>"thin client servers" is as close as it goes.
15:55<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: wiki.debian.org/LTSP
15:55<mnuhmnuh>you gotta be kidding me.
15:56<sqrt{not}>maybe not the same thing.....
15:56<nyov>it is the same thing
15:57<mnuhmnuh>yeah, now the light's coming on, thanks.
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16:36<nyov>wow, this is friggin weird. why does pbuilder prefer values in ~/.pbuilderrc over values passed through ENV and cowbuilder?
16:41<nyov>running pbuilder with cowbuilder using cowdancer, running from git-pbuilder instead of pdebuild, using dpkg-buildpackage and gbp buildpackage. Awesome stuff. BUT. Did nobody figure out yet how to make this any more complex, it's not challenging enough?
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16:55<mnuhmnuh>"why does pbuilder prefer values in ~/.pbuilderrc ..." because the rc file clobbers, or goes last? mv rc --> elsewhere, compare ...
16:57<libregeekingkid>Anyone using Emacs to read mails?
16:57<bremner>libregeekingkid: sure. but you'd probably get more help in #emacs on freenode
16:59<bremner>anyway, ask your question?
16:59<libregeekingkid>thanks bremner I'll move there
16:59<libregeekingkid>Just not being able to configure it properly yet.
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17:00<libregeekingkid>Did once or twice. but need to configure GPG as well
17:00<bremner>what's "it", there's a metric tonne of choices
17:00<libregeekingkid>kept moving back to Thunderbird for reading mails.
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17:00<libregeekingkid>bremner: I am looking for a sane choice
17:01<mnuhmnuh>mutt's best.
17:01<libregeekingkid>most choices require me to configure multiple programs and scripts.
17:01<bremner>well, notmuch is definitely like that, so you probably don't want it.
17:03<libregeekingkid>yep.
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17:07<libregeekingkid[m]>test from matrix
17:07<libregeekingkid>works
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17:19<mnuhmnuh>matrix?
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17:20<annadane>chat client thingy
17:20<nyov>https://matrix.org/docs/projects/as/irc-bridge.html I think
17:20<archer>lol, i know what you mean libregeekingkid[m]
17:20<annadane>well, protocol specifically
17:20<annadane>for which probably the most well known client is riot.im
17:27<mnuhmnuh>weren't we introduced to that pos about a mo. ago here, yeah. not #debian's prob.
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17:39<laptop>anyone know how to get clamav to work
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17:41<mnuhmnuh>laptop: maybe explain your problem? /var/log/messages, clamav logs, journalctl, ... use paste.debian.net
17:42<laptop>ok
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17:45*mnuhmnuh *everyone* should install pastebinit. "pastebinit file" or "command | pastebinit" - magic. :-)
17:46<laptop>done
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17:48<at0m>mnuhmnuh: careful what you | pastebinit since there's no review of the data. might have private stuff. that's why i prefer to at least review first, then re-run the same with | pastebinit
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17:54<mnuhmnuh>brave new world. proofreading never should have gone out of fashion.
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18:50<bw>hello. I seem to have messed up the trusted keys for apt in Debian 4.9.110-1 (2018-07-05)
18:50<bw>is someone here available for help?
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18:53<nyov>thats not how it works, bw. you must provide intel up front, and *then* someone can help you. hopefully
18:53<nyov>:)
18:54<nyov>!ask
18:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:55<bw>intel?
18:57<bw>scince i was confused last time i messed with sources.list i changed it via GUI-Frontend
18:58<bw>i was trying to disable stretch/update
18:58<bw>apt-get returned that trusted.gpg wasn't readable by user _apt
18:58<nyov>bw, stretch is version 9.5 not 4.9.110
18:58<bw>i'm sorry that's what uname -a returned
18:59<nyov>okay, kernel then
18:59<bw>yes. So there seem to have been some changes with stretch/update last year
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19:00<nyov>"stretch/updates" is the path for security updates
19:00<bw>i moved /etc/apt/trusted and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/* to Backup and put it back in place
19:01<bw>changed it to 744 but i still get error when trying apt-get update
19:01<nyov>hm. indeed the switch to the _apt user is pretty new.
19:01<bw>ok thanks for this information
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19:02<nyov>but I seem to have no issues with the files being owned by root, and permissions 644
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19:03<bw>there are 2 errors that apt-get update return right now on my machine
19:03<bw>Err:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease
19:03<bw> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
19:03<bw>Err:4 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release.gpg
19:03<bw> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 NO_PUBKEY EF0F382A1A7B6500
19:03<nyov>ok
19:04<bw>i don't know how to solve this issue right now
19:04<ach>!apt-key
19:04<nyov>do you have /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d restored from your backup?
19:04<bw>i did
19:05<ach>!apt
19:05<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
19:06<ach>apt update
19:06<ach>apt-key
19:06<nyov>bw: force reinstall the package "debian-archive-keyring"
19:07<bw>thanks i didn't know the exact name of that package
19:07<nyov>or get it from a mirror securely https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/debian-archive-keyring/download
19:07<nyov>and then hope that those files are all that's wrong
19:08<nyov>since you have no trust anchor there right now, it would be sensible to verify at least the checksums of the downloaded deb
19:08<bw>would dpkg-reconfigure help?
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19:10<ach>!dpkg
19:10<dpkg>methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
19:10<nyov>either download manually and `dpkg -i *.deb` install it, or `aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring` it
19:10<bw>ok thx
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19:16<bw>aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring downloaded version 2017.5. As dpkg-query showed me before 2017.5 was allready installed. I might not fully understand what i'm doing though
19:17<nyov>that's okay. we're just trying to restore files in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d here
19:18<nyov>when you did that, apt-get/aptitude update and hope things can verify now?
19:18<bw>right now
19:19<nyov>if not, I'd try another mirror next
19:19<nyov>(as it seems we had a bad apple in cdn today already. you never know)
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19:22<bw>I didn't apt-get update for a few months now, maybe this is an older issue
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19:24<bw>i don't know how to verify exactly scince apt-key update is obsolete
19:24<nyov>there is nothing you need to do with apt-key
19:25<bw>ok
19:25<nyov>the debian-archive-keyring package should drop in all the necessary keyrings into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
19:25<nyov>or restore them there. I hope
19:27<bw>mode 744 is ok?
19:27<bw>chmod*
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19:28<nyov>644 for files and 755 for directories
19:28<bw>ok
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19:32<bw>should i try to download and install the package with dpkg?
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19:33<nyov>bw: I don't know where you're at now. didn't you yet?
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19:36<bw>i checked with dpkg-query what version of debian-archive-keyring i have. It said 2017.5. I installed aptitude and ran aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring wich installed version 2017.5. I changed etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d to 755 and etc/apt/rusted.gpg.d/* and etc/apt/trusted.gpg to 644 When i run apt-get update i still get the same errors.
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19:37<Brigo_>bw, delete the apt cache archives
19:38<bw>you mean rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?
19:38<bw>Brigo_?
19:38<Brigo_>i think they are in /var/lib/apt/lists
19:39<Brigo_>the list of the packages you can download from a server.
19:39<Brigo_>delete and apt-get update again.
19:40<bw>where is documentation on this?
19:40<bw>i hear that for the first time in my life
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19:42<bw>to be clear: is the list of packages to be upgraded on my system in '/var/lib/apt/lists/' ?
19:42<bw>Brigo_ ?
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19:43<Brigo_>bw, they are the list of available packages as you configured /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:44<bw>Brigo_ ok thx. But i don't know what file exactly. This is new to me
19:45<Brigo_>bw, you can delete all of them, they will be created again when you run apt update
19:47<bw>Ok Thank you for the support i will check back tomorrow maybe
19:48<Brigo_>bw, as you wish
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20:11<darsparx>any one know how to get snaps to show up in the xfce menu? I was able to get install them but can't seem to get them to show up in the xfce app menu
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20:42<mnuhmnuh>what are snaps?
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20:43<bremner>a cross distro bundle/packaging thing
20:44<mnuhmnuh>as in, don't.
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