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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-10-27

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01:41<an3as>Hi buildd.d.o returns "Internal Server Error" and tracker.d.o "Server Error (500)"
01:41<an3as>Something seems to be severely broken. Did I missed some announcement about scheduled outage?
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01:56<annadane>an3as, i think it's known maybe? #debian-devel topic has Topic for #debian-devel is: major storage outage at Bytemark
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02:00<annadane>thing is, these get used often enough that if it's not known now it will be very soon
02:00<annadane>it's not in "file bug report" territory or anything
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03:30<user__>hello
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03:32<laptop>hello
03:32<laptop>I need help
03:32<laptop>I was told to add a command to my bash file
03:32<laptop>and despite deleting the command the problem is that the file continues to have the same command everyime I load up
03:32<laptop>can I delete my bash file in home folder
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03:34<laptop>hi
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03:42<annadane>hi laptop
03:43<annadane>which bash file?
03:43<laptop>hi
03:43<laptop>one sec
03:44<laptop>.bashrc
03:44<laptop>this is the one that keeps locking up the mouse
03:44<annadane>if you delete the command you may need to "source .bashrc" after editing it
03:45<annadane>not doing that may be why it keeps running
03:45<laptop>how do I do that
03:45<annadane>just type: source .bashrc
03:45<laptop>can I just delete .bashrc
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03:46<annadane>i don't know whether that's safe or not, dot files are only configuration but i'm not sure in the case of bashrc
03:46<annadane>...whether it's safe or not
03:46<annadane>it should be? but don't take my advice
03:47<laptop>well if I delete bashrc what will happen the system will just rebuild it
03:48<annadane>https://askubuntu.com/questions/725106/what-if-i-delete-bashrc-file-of-a-user says it's fine, though it's ubuntu, i suspect the same is true of debian
03:49<annadane>dot files AFAIK are basically always safe to delete, i just wanted to exercise caution
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03:52<annadane>(that was stupid. of course deleting .bashrc is safe, it'd be a huge security risk if it wasn't)
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04:47<madonius>ashen: did you here how the hubble engineers fixed their Gyros?
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06:03<EmleyMoor>How can I, in a reasonably automated way, compare two directories and the files they contain, to find any content differences? One is on a regular filesystem, the other on an mtp device
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06:04<EmleyMoor>(or even efficiently copy any different stuff from the mtp)
06:07<TobiX>EmleyMoor: There is nothing efficient about mtp
06:08<EmleyMoor>TobiX: I know that... but can I be efficient despite its inefficiency
06:09<EmleyMoor>(this wouldn't be an issue but I am required to stay remote from my home network for another night)
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06:11<TobiX>EmleyMoor: Well, you can mount the mtp with any of the fuse drivers in Debian (jmtpfs or go-mtpfs) and use standard tools like rsync, unison, diff, etc.
06:12<TobiX>But most operations will be slow since mtp can only transfer complete files
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06:18<EmleyMoor>Depending on how big a compressed copy of the data is, may be able to scp it from home - but there's not a lot of spare space on my laptop
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06:23<arto>EmleyMoor: if your mtp device is an android phone, it's much more convenient over wifi
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06:25<ach>!huwai
06:25<EmleyMoor>arto: That's an option... if I can work out how best to proceed
06:26<ach>is rpc for mtp needed?
06:26<arto>EmleyMoor: I used jmtpfs before, but don't miss that anymore
06:27<arto>EmleyMoor: there are many andoid apps that work as an ftp server
06:27<EmleyMoor>Not entirely sure how I could do this over wifi
06:27<EmleyMoor>Especially as it may be easiest to work out what needs doing
06:27<ach>my phone has direct wifi
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06:28<arto>EmleyMoor: is your phone connected to wifi?
06:28<EmleyMoor>ach: Not sure that's helpful
06:29<EmleyMoor>arto: Yes
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06:29<ach>if you have an home google drive?
06:29<ach>put the phone as folder in google drive
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06:29<arto>EmleyMoor: then you need app from google play, there are many, I use FileManager+
06:30<TobiX>EmleyMoor: Maybe use something like https://f-droid.org/de/packages/org.amoradi.syncopoli/ to rsync directly from the phone?
06:30<EmleyMoor>arto: I'll look into that... but will that give me command-line access to the phone as a filesystem?
06:31<arto>EmleyMoor: then I start that FileManager+, select start ftp server, it gives address, and I use mc to connect, like mc ftp://192.168.x.x:xxxx
06:32<EmleyMoor>arto: That's ftp access which may help...
06:33<TobiX>Ugh, people still use ftp? ;)
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06:33<arto>EmleyMoor: yes, there are many ftp clients in Debian repo
06:33<arto>TobiX: sftp
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06:36<EmleyMoor>arto: Yes, I know that... but it's possibly not efficient in this case
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06:37<arto>EmleyMoor: like curlftps
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06:38<arto>EmleyMoor: then you could use any standard linux tool
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06:44<arto>curlftpfs
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06:47<milad>hi
06:47<arto>hi milad
06:47<milad>where am I ?
06:47<arto>milad: this is Debian support channel
06:47<milad>Who R U ?
06:47<milad>cool
06:47<arto>milad: only Debian related questions please
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06:53<arto>!kali
06:53<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
06:53<arto>!parrot
06:53<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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06:57<arto>kali and parrot user, used private mesages :)
06:58<milad>:xD
06:59<arto>milad: now you should see above ^^
06:59<milad>yeah :)
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08:12<einfair>what is "sid" (https://www.debian.org/releases/sid/) ?
08:13<einfair>Does it have a separate directory in repository? (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository)
08:15<ach>!sid
08:15<dpkg>well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
08:16<einfair>If I want to create my own repository, do I need to create "sid" directory and "unstable" symlink to it ?
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08:17<luc1f3rr>hi
08:17<ach>!case
08:18<ach>you should just build a updateable reporsitoryi think an extra for sid is not needed
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08:21<einfair>why then exists http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/
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08:22<ach>for dummy
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08:23<ach>!debian-next
08:23<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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08:50<at0m>einfair: if you want to mirror debian's packages locally, have a look at apt-cacher-ng
08:50<at0m>einfair: if you want to distribute your own packages, that's not the way though
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08:53<einfair>at0m: I want to distribute my package from my site. Which directories I should have? One for each distribution (stable), one for next version (testing), one for latest minor version (sid), one for latest commit (experimental)
08:54<abrotman>einfair: only the ones you build the package for
08:54<abrotman>dpkg: tell einfair about own repo
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09:04<libregeekingkid[m]>are the repositories down?
09:05<abrotman>that's vague ..
09:06<libregeekingkid[m]>deb.debian.org was not working for me like 5 hours back
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09:10<arto>libregeekingkid[m]: that might have been your ISP or something in the middle
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10:50<EmleyMoor>When I plug my phone in, something claims it so I can see it in the file manager. However, this blocks jmtpfs seeing it. How do I reverse this situation
10:50<EmleyMoor>?
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10:52<arto>EmleyMoor: years since I've used it, but I think the procedure was somehti
10:53<arto>write to console jmtpfs, but don't press enter, plug the phone, open it, then press enter. I think it required also in the phone to enable file viewing from outside
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10:54<EmleyMoor>Open it - open what?
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10:54<arto>EmleyMoor: pin lock, or whatever
10:55<mome>Hi, Do I still have to add "cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1" to my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in order to get cgroup memory limitation support? Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 (stretch). Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:55<EmleyMoor>Ah - got there anyway
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12:53<einfair>what is difference between "full package archive" and "Private Package Archive (PPA)" ?
12:54<bremner>PPA is a ubuntu term
12:54<einfair>bremner: I got it from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup?action=show&redirect=HowToSetupADebianRepository
12:54<einfair>I.e. it's not from Ubuntu
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12:55<bremner>I see. So, it's used informally there, just to mean what it says.
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12:55<bremner>a full archive has all the packages (at least for some architecture)
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12:57<einfair>where are the source packages in the full archive (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/) ?
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12:59<arto>deb-src at the beginngin of line in sources.list, rest is the same as for packages
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13:00<einfair># cat /etc/apt/sources.list
13:00<einfair>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main
13:00<einfair>deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main
13:00<arto>!paste
13:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:02<arto>einfair: to get sources, add lines: deb-src deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main
13:03<arto>einfair: and ditto for security
13:03<einfair>http://deb.debian.org/debian gives "
13:03<einfair>The requested URL /debian was not found on this server."
13:04<arto>einfair: me bad, sorry, replace 'deb' with 'deb-src'
13:04<einfair>because of missing /
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13:05<einfair>I want to see archives with sources through webbrowser to understand the structure of repositories
13:06<einfair>for now i don't see the difference between deb.debian.org/debian and ftp.debian.org/debian
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13:06<einfair>for me it looks like both contain binary archives
13:06<arto>einfair: if you get it correct in sources.list, you see in apt update where it is downloading
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13:11<einfair>no, i don't see what i want to see. It just enumerates the same urls. I want to see some archive via firefox
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13:11<arto>http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian/dists/Debian9.5/main/source/
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13:12<arto>for example
13:13<arto>but even there is not actual sources...
13:13<einfair>but there are few files (2 archives and 3 files with hashes). I expected to see many .orig.tar.gz files and diff.gz files (one per package)
13:14<arto>Sources.gz is 8.5MB
13:15<einfair>it's size don't say me anything
13:17<arto>einfair: it lists every package availabe in main
13:17<arto>some have git sources
13:18<bremner>uh, now I think you're muddying the waters/
13:18<bremner>source packages exist for everything in main
13:18<arto>this is all new for me :)
13:18<arto>I've donwloaded sources, but newer thougt where do they come
13:18<einfair>bremner: in main there are the similar Sources.gz and no separate archives
13:19<bremner>einfair: well, if you add source urls, you can download with apt
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13:19<einfair>I don't need to download them. I want to understand how to prepare them for downloading
13:19<bremner>otherwise someone(TM) has to grub around on the mirror and figure out where the sources packages are
13:19<bremner>einfair: you mean to make a package?
13:20<einfair>no
13:20<einfair>I mean "to create repository with package sources archive"
13:20<einfair>and want to see an example
13:20<Heiki>einfair: if you want to browse sources, have a look at https://sources.debian.org
13:20<bremner>so just dput an appropriate changes file to reprepro
13:20<bremner>(for example)
13:21<einfair>I want my own repository, not a standatd one. So dput will not work for me
13:22<einfair>Heiki: I don't want to browse them
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13:24<bremner>einfair: I use dput to add files to my own repository, managed by mini-dinstall
13:24<einfair>My understanding is following: apt connects to ftp or http server and downloads the Sources.gz during update, and then downloads separate archives for each package during "source" command execution. I want to see that separate archives via firefox in their download location
13:25<bremner>what is the high level problem you are trying to solve?
13:25<einfair>To obtain the understanding of infrastructure, to setup my own
13:26<bremner>the short answer is choose one of the available tools, learn how to configure it
13:26<einfair>May I ask you to give URL of your repository?
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13:26<bremner>if you want to use mini-dinstall, you can find the same blog posts I did.
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13:27<bremner>deb http://apt.tethera.net/debian unstable/
13:27<einfair>I just want to see the archive file with sources for some package. Why this is so diffucult?
13:27<einfair>403 forbidden
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13:28<bremner>it works from apt. that's what I care about.
13:28<einfair>Files from Debian will be ok for me too
13:29<arto>einfair: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup
13:30<einfair>that's a tutorial, not the example of the working online repository
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13:33<arto>einfair: well, I guess you have to do some searching yourself, not spoon feed
13:37<einfair>this is vary bad phrase after "this is all new for me :)". Because it prevents other participants from answering
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13:41<arto>einfair: Heiki gave you https://sources.debian.org, bremner told who he setup local apt, wiki page I gave had many options
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13:46<einfair>I visited sources.debian.org, but didn't fugured the final URL for specific package
13:46<arto>einfair: did you search some package?
13:47<arto>https://sources.debian.org/src/cmus/
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13:53<einfair>arto: yes, I did. I tried gnat version 6.1. But it shows the sources via web site, not the archive as a stock item
13:54<einfair>I want to see the URL for the archive with sources
13:55<arto>einfair: this is spoon feeding: https://sources.debian.org/src/gnats/4.1.0-3+deb9u1/
13:58<einfair>I still don't see archive as the single .gz file
13:58<arto>einfair: click one link, and you see source
13:58<einfair>I DONT WANT TO SEE SOURCES AS SEPARATE FILES
13:58<arto>einfair: what would you expect sources to be?
13:58<einfair>I want to understand where arhive is placed
13:58<danopa>ow, my ears!
13:59<einfair>i said that to him more than 3 times, i was forced for yelling
14:00<arto>einfair: I tried to help, that's all.
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14:00<itd>einfair: I disagree. "What 'apt-get source' does.": https://sources.debian.org/src/apt/1.7.0/apt-private/private-source.cc/?hl=301
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14:01<itd>einfair: What's wrong with creating a repo using standard tools to inspect how it looks like?
14:02<einfair>I want to see already made repository, to be sure that mine looks similar
14:02<itd>einfair: Then use a tool that's known to work.
14:03<einfair>I will not be sure, that i used that tool properly, until i get full understanding of final expected result
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14:12<zleap>my pi seems to have stopped responding to keyboard / mouse input, i can ssh in is there a command i can use to see if anything has crashed please
14:12<zleap>pi is running debian stretch 9.4
14:12<zleap>raspbian
14:12<arto>!raspbian
14:12<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
14:13<zleap>ok
14:13<itd>einfair: As file 'Sources' suggests, look in 'Directory' of 'pool' for sources of that package.
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14:20<itd>'Package: gnat' has 'Directory: pool/main/g/gnat', so 'https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnat' (and then everything listed in 'Files:')
14:20<einfair>itd: yes. That is exactly what i wanted to see
14:21<einfair>itd: thanks
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15:29<mome>Hi from Debian 9. Do I still have to add "cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1" to my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in order to get cgroup memory limitation support? Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 (stretch). Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u5 (2018-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:25<rafael>hi guys
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17:00<charpent>J'ai besoin d'aide pour confgurer bluez sur un système buster récent : mon téléphone "voit" mon PC comme un casque audio...
17:00<itd>dpkg: fr
17:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:00<itd>dpkg: buster
17:00<dpkg>The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html
17:01<charpent>I need help to configure bluez on a ren=cently installed buster system : my phone "sees" my computer as a headphone...
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17:02<itd>charpent: Oh, okay. :) (Buster support is in #debian-next - sorry.)
17:03<charpent>Sorry for the confusion. I'll join #debian-next...
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17:03<Krennic>hello i got a problem i update debian and i got this
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17:03<Krennic>W: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
17:03<Krennic>?
17:03<Krennic>??????
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17:04<itd>Krennic: So, what exactly is your question?
17:04<Krennic>why i get that messege
17:05<Krennic>after updating
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17:05<Krennic>i dont know if is something wrong or is somthing normal i just install debian yesterday i knew in debian
17:06<itd>Krennic: Did you install any other non-Debian software?
17:06<charpent>It seems that I can't send to #debian-next. So I'll ask anyway : how to correctly configure bluez ? My phone "sees" my PC as a headphone...
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17:07<itd>charpent: What happens if you try to join #debian-next?
17:07<Krennic>well the only thing could be that i install just geany and hexchat
17:08<Krennic> only those two the rest i got them on installation
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17:11<itd>Krennic: What does 'ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg' return?
17:12<charpent>When I try to send something, the system answers that I have to register my nickname as indicated by yjhe MOTD, but "/motd" does nothing...
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17:13<itd>charpent: https://www.oftc.net/Services/#register-your-account
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17:15<charpent>idt : Thanks, I'll try that
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17:18<Krennic>let me see itd sorry i was on the phone
17:18<Krennic>-rw------- 1 root root 32 Oct 26 23:20 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
17:18<Krennic>that
17:18<Krennic>i got in return
17:20<itd>Krennic: The problem is, that currently only root is allowed to read (and write) that file. You need to allow the '_apt' user to read it. Do you know how to do that?
17:21<charpent>idt : I successfully checked my nickname, but still " #debian-next Cannot send to channel".
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17:23<Krennic>so how do i do that as i said i knew in debian i just change from win 10 to debian i used to test on virtual box debian ubuntu and linux mint un til i decide for debian
17:23<Guest1552>I run ifconfig and my ethernet connection does not show up...what do I run to find the name of the interface?
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17:25<itd>Krennic: You need to run 'chmod o+r /etc/apt/trusted.gpg' either with sudo, or as root. ('chmod o+r' CHanges the MODe of the file to allow Others to Read it.)
17:25<charpent>idt : Aaaarghh : I pu a typo in my email address... How to change it : this is absolutely not obvious in OFT IRC Services pages...
17:25<itd>charpent: Ask #oftc? No idea, sorry.
17:26<itd>Guest1552: Tried 'ip link'?
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17:27<laptop>hello
17:28<laptop>I am afraid I have completely messed up my bash file
17:28<laptop>can I just delete bashprofile and bashrc
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17:29<Krennic>ok
17:29<itd>laptop: Should work, original templates are in /etc/skel/
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17:29<laptop>how do I delete the bash files
17:29<Guest1552>itd: OK, I'll try that...
17:29<itd>Krennic: Once you've done that updating should work without that warning
17:29<laptop>also it is amazing
17:29<Krennic>ok
17:29<laptop>that I can install debian again and again without deleting my home files
17:30<itd>laptop: Don't delete. Rename them.
17:30<laptop>ok
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17:39<charpent>Okay. I still can't send to #debian-next. So my question becomes : where can I get user-level information on the care and feeding of Bluez to help it to identify as a computer, not a set of damned headphones...
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18:37<scar>hELLO ??
18:38<scar>Hey whats pooping +
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18:42<bremner>ftr, charpent is now able to post on #debian-next. Probably after registering their nick
18:44<itd>thanks. :)
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19:32<Redentor>cannot run php in public_html userdir with debian 9
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22:23<leosemilie_>hi
22:24<leosemilie_>which kernel does stretch use
22:24<petn-randall>leosemilie_: 4.9
22:24<leosemilie_>petn-randall: isn't there a supported debian using 3.16
22:25<petn-randall>,kernels
22:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
22:25<judd>backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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22:25<petn-randall>leosemilie_: wheezy-backports? That isn't supported anymore, though.
22:25<petn-randall>leosemilie_: Why do you ask?
22:25<leosemilie_>looks like ubuntu broke free of debian
22:26<petn-randall>err, not sure what you mean with that.
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22:26<leosemilie_>petn-randall: it is hard to find 32bit support and it looks like ubuntu can backport to utopic which uses kernel 3.16 and I recalled debian astill supporting 3.16
22:26<leosemilie_>this way while building the kernel it gives an out from ubuntu onto debian
22:26<petn-randall>leosemilie_: Why do you need 3.16?
22:26<leosemilie_>if needed
22:27<leosemilie_>there is no support for the atom cpu
22:27<leosemilie_>a near i686
22:28<leosemilie_>the only choice is to use i386 and build it custom
22:28<leosemilie_>it is either this or use a stale lunar cd
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22:30<petn-randall>leosemilie_: AFAICS Atom is fully support in stretch.
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22:31<petn-randall>*supported
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22:32<leosemilie_>an atom kernel build?
22:33<leosemilie_>or a generic i386
22:33<petn-randall>leosemilie_: Atom has the full Pentium Pro instruction set and more, and P6 is the minimum CPU requirement.
22:34<leosemilie_>what is P6
22:34<leosemilie_>i686
22:34<petn-randall>Pentium Pro
22:34<sqrt{not}>leosemilie_: see this webpage, look for your computer model: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/
22:35<leosemilie_>I have kali linux but something is funny about it
22:35<petn-randall>leosemilie_: We can't help you with Kali.
22:35<petn-randall>!Kali
22:35<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
22:36<leosemilie_>yeah
22:37<leosemilie_>I dont see hp mini 110 but 220 petn-randall
22:37<petn-randall>leosemilie_: So if you want to get Kali to run on your Atom netbook, ask in their support channel. It runs fine on Debian.
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22:39<leosemilie_>does anybody know how to edit bios
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22:39<leosemilie_>there is some wifi card whitelist programmed in
22:39<petn-randall>leosemilie_: If you don't have a Debian support question, please take it to the proper channel.
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22:39<leosemilie_>th machine does not boot if any other wifi card is installed
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22:43<leosemilie_>do you have a minimal install cd I can boot from android cd mountr
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22:44<petn-randall>leosemilie_: All Debian ISOs are linked directly on the debian website.
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22:48<leosemilie_>is 9.5 stretch
22:49<leosemilie_>395 mb for the net install
22:49<leosemilie_>is that installable without a network
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22:50<petn-randall>leosemilie_: There is a description to it, read it.
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22:52<leosemilie_>it isn't clear
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22:54<petn-randall>leosemilie_: You can get a minimal install from it, that's bootable. But if you want more than that, you need a working network connection.
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22:55<leosemilie_>petn-randall: does it support 945 gma intel gpu
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23:11<leosemilie_>didnt anybody consider billing federal reserve currency for redundant transferr of data to stagnate at any point
23:11<leosemilie_>they bill for nothing
23:11<leosemilie_>to allow a machine to relay binary
23:12<leosemilie_>do you need every driver in a kernel
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23:13<leosemilie_>why didnt they ever remove billing from the internet
23:13<leosemilie_>it doesn't make sense to have communications hampered by the federal reserv
23:14<at0m>leosemilie_: feel free to discuss such in #debian-offtopic
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23:14<at0m>and yes, 945 gma should be supported. but it's usually wireless/network firmware that can give headaches during installation.
23:16<at0m>leosemilie_: cos that's when you need the network to install extra stuff. if that happens to be firmware, there's non-free installation .iso's that includes such firmware.
23:16<at0m>nn
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23:19<leosemilie_>this is something being considered for kernel development
23:19<leosemilie_>gentoo was in use but it has some funny code repository that keeps pushing new code
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23:21<leosemilie_>something where the source code is accessible like gpl calls for
23:21<leosemilie_>android is gpl but all of those selling it use the "advanced tech support" popoint at somebody else
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23:22<themill>leosemilie_: do you have a Debian user support question we can help you with?
23:22<leosemilie_>yeah so after installing the minimal does debian provide the source code or does it download a new version like gentoo
23:23<leosemilie_>go for the gpl source code and get pushed an entirely different system
23:23<themill>You can download the source code for your packages with "apt-get source $packagename"
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