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06:36<gnumonk>Hi
06:37<gnumonk>question regarding xterm, how to see math char in xterm like (alpha, beta, gamma ) etc and math expression. I have tried adding utf-8 but didn't help
06:38<bremner>you need a good font for that.
06:38<bremner>Deja Vu will work.
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06:41<gnumonk>bremner: Thanks, do you have any example ? which might work?
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06:55<gnumonk>bremner: nope its not working , it showing box instead of symbol.
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06:56<bremner>well, depends on the codepoint I guess. αβγ works for me in xterm with deja vu sans mono
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06:57<gnumonk>what is your xterm setting and how did you typed those .
06:57<gnumonk>I am looking something like https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs-fonts.html
06:59<bremner>I don't know why one would want to use those old bitmap fonts, but *shrug*
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07:00<gnumonk>I am okay with new fonts , only thing is to get the math symbol read and write :)
07:00<gnumonk>and even paste from PDF .
07:00<bremner>I used emacs to enter those characters. I don't know about entering straight into xterm.
07:00<bremner>I don't think I have any special xterm settings, just the font.
07:01<gnumonk>bremner: ok
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07:39<Bartosz1>Hello Debian enthusiasts. I hope I will not bother you much with my problem, if here's not the right place then please correct me and send to the right one. I'm looking for fast and efficient linux distro for slow computer. I need to install it on my samsung N150 netbook - 8 years old already. It has 1 GB DDR2 RAM, Atom Intel 1,66 GHz (2x) and 160 GB SATA storage. What I use it for will, be
07:39<Bartosz1>only LibreOffice and web browsing. Those two are most essential. And I need it to be fast as possible. Until now I installed Debian 9 full which is too slow (unable to do anything). Thank you in advance for any advices and tips. Kind regards
07:42<DNS>Bartosz1: use lxde as desktop
07:43<DNS>this is light weight
07:43<DNS>https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE
07:45<DNS>xfce might be an option too
07:46<DNS>https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce
07:46<SpeedyG>yeah, gnome is bogging it down most likely, use xfce or lxde instead :)
07:46<DNS>Bartosz1: also see if you can upgrade your ram to at least 2GB
07:47<DNS>you can buy used ddr2 at ebay for example
07:49<grove>Desktop environments matter a lot more than distribution, but in here you shouldn't be surprised at what distribution we recommend, and on Debian it's easy to get the DE/WM you want.
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07:52<SpeedyG>debian with xfce/lxde works awesome on old hardware :) so good that I havent tried anything else for it :P
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08:01<gnumonk>Hi, How do I read math expression from PDF ?
08:02<DNS>with a pdf reader like evince?
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08:03<gnumonk>DNS: he he, my question is from Terminal?
08:03<DNS>gnumonk: try less
08:03<DNS>less file.pdf
08:04<gnumonk>ok
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08:09<Bartosz1>DNS SpeedyG Thank you guys, you made my day now because I don't have to go with new distro. I'll try with new WM. Also DNS upgrading ram is a good idea, I'll try it later as well. If I get stuck with installing new WM I'll ask here again, would that be ok?
08:09<DNS>sure its ok
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08:13<gnumonk>Hi
08:13<gnumonk>Sorry got disconnected .
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08:14<gnumonk>DNS: Less is pager, it can not work with pdf
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08:16<gnumonk>Asking again, how to read math expression from PDF in terminal. pdftotext does not convert those ?
08:16<gnumonk>any idea would be helpful.
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08:21<gnumonk>?
08:21<DNS>hm i thought less will work, then try pdfgrep
08:22<petn-randall>gnumonk: I don't think it'll work, as those aren't always displayable on the terminal.
08:22<DNS>pdfgrep i just tried and it worked for me to grep text at least
08:24<gnumonk>pdfgrep will grep just the text not the math symbol like , vector , square root etc ?
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08:25<grove>gnumonk: It probably depends on how the PDF was made, either those expressions are included as images in the pdf (in which case you have no chance) or as text in some strange font with a lot of placement (I don't think that's easy to convert to something viewable in a terminal either)
08:25<gnumonk>Ok
08:26<gnumonk>grove: any other way to parse this from PDF ?
08:26<DNS>if its an image in the pdf then this will be hard
08:28<bremner>gnumonk: you could try inkscape convert to svg
08:28<bremner>then hack the svg somehow
08:28<gnumonk>bremner: let me try .
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08:38<gnumonk>bremner: nope, it didn't worked well. is there any text utility which I can be used assuming that pdf has only symbol and not images .
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08:39<bremner>offhand, I don't know.
08:47<gnumonk>any other idea guys ...
08:48<DNS>there is software for that but not free software
08:49<DNS>like mathpix or inftyeditor
08:49<DNS>:|
08:53<DNS>inftyreader i meant
08:57<gnumonk>Ok
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09:03<hau63n>anyone had any success installing openscad on Buster manually as it is not available in apt ?
09:04<bremner>hau63n: #debian-next for buster support
09:05<hau63n>Ok, thanks @bremner
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09:58<Bartosz1>DNS SpeedyG Thank you for help, I'm running the Xfce on my machine with Debian 9 and it works much faster.
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10:04<DNS>Bartosz1: yw :)
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11:02<SpeedyG>hm, Im running irssi in screen but somehow, unless I use -U specifically, it doesnt use UTF8. a short google didnt give me a direct answer, how can I enable this by default? Should I put something ina .screenrc file or somth?
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11:24<Anarka>defutf8 on in /etc/screenrc ?
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12:17<sqrt{not}>gnumonk already left, but I have had good results with the tools in package poppler-utils for dealing with pdf files from the command line. In his case I would be trying `pdftotext`
12:17<SpeedyG>Anarka: will try that, thanks :)
12:18<arto>sqrt{not}: +1
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12:32<grove>sqrt{not}: gnumonk said he already tried pdftotext
12:32<grove>To provide a full quote "13:16 < gnumonk> Asking again, how to read math expression from PDF in terminal. pdftotext does not convert those ?"
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12:40<sqrt{not}>grove: correct, sorry, missed that the first time through
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12:49<bloodman>!help
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12:54<bremner>bloodman: do you have a question about using debian stable?
12:59<bloodman>No thanks, I was just testing the commands, Sorry if i had disturbed anyone.
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13:04<itd>dpkg: tell bloodman -about selftell
13:04<itd>;)
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13:33<bloodman>Lol thanks ^_^
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13:37<toff>hi, anyone updated his sid today ? looks like perl is broken
13:39<annadane>perl is undergoing a large transition now, yes
13:40<annadane>channel for testing/sid is #debian-next
13:42<petn-randall>toff: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/10/msg00006.html
13:43<toff>OK thanks for the information
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13:51<shirish>hi all, does anyone know where iso images of debian with date and time are kept ?
13:51<shirish>I vaguely remember using the service but don't remember the URL for it :(
13:51<petn-randall>shirish: What do you mean with "date and time"?
13:53<shirish>petn-randall (IRC): something like for e.g. 20180101160443
13:54<shirish>while it's partially a made up thing, the idea being AFAIK debian ftp master's do 3-4 times push
13:55<shirish>so if I want to find a package from a certain date and time to find out what the iso or package was on a certain date, I should be able to find it.
13:55<shirish>for e.g. I'm looking to find info. on 9th January 2018 in connection with a bug.
13:55<shirish>The PTS does help but not much.
13:55<petn-randall>shirish: Oh, I think you're thinking of https://snapshot.debian.org/? That's for packages, not for ISOs though.
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13:57<shirish>petn-randall (IRC): exactly, that's exactly what I was thinking for. Thanx.
14:03<shirish>petn-randall (IRC): how do I get package list say from https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180109T094022Z/
14:04<petn-randall>shirish: Did you read the instructions on the main page yet?
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14:47<Doctor_Pi>dpkg tell Doctor_Pi -about selftell
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14:49<petn-randall>!tell Doctor_Pi -about selftell
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14:49<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell petn-randall about msg the bot
14:50<Doctor_Pi>Yes I know, I just told myself.
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14:52<petn-randall>Ah, I thought it didn't work without the comma.
14:53<petn-randall>Good to know!
14:54<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: thanks for checking, :-}
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16:08<grove>I'm trying to backport libtest-mojibake-perl to Stretch using the proedure dpkg tells with !ssb, but the resultant deb puts files in ./home/grove/perl5/ instead of somewhere sane. What am I doing wrong? (Is that for this channel or for #debian-next or is there a better channel?)
16:11<mnuhmnuh>"./home/..."?!? dot slash home?
16:13<retrospectacus>how did you "Install the resultant debs"?
16:18<annadane>dpkg -i foo.deb
16:18<dpkg>package foo.deb is already installed
16:19<annadane>oh, god. i seriously can't read. just ignore me entirely
16:21<mnuhmnuh>woke up too quick? :-)
16:22<mnuhmnuh>do, did, who's counting?
16:23<grove>retrospectacus: I did `sudo dpkg -i <path_to_deb>`, but that's irrelevant. Since I discovered the problem, I've tried building it again, and checks the generated .deb with `dpkg-deb --contents <path_to_deb>`
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17:53<itd>grove: what was the problem?
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18:03<grove>itd: The deb file that results from running `apt-get -b source libtest-mojibake-perl`, has files that go in ./home/grove/perl5/ - and that's according to `dpkg-deb --contents libtest-mojibake-perl_1.3-1_all.deb`
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18:05<itd>how did you fix it? :)
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18:10<grove>itd: I haven't yet (and I'm about to go to bed, so it will have to wait, but hints on how to fix it, are welcome)
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18:28<itd>grove: Maybe some perl related env variables? (Doesn't happen here.)
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18:37<itd>(You could try something like: "env - apt-get -b source ...")
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19:22<Dkeagle1911>Hello everyone! I'm trying to install a software to my computer (Debian 9 Stretch), i got the tar.gz file with a readme about how to install the soft, but i don't understand it...
19:22<Dkeagle1911>i copied the readme on paste.debian: https://paste.debian.net/1050042 Could anyone help me install the soft please ?
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19:24<Dkeagle1911>i forgot to tell the software is DBMain
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19:31<retrospectacus>Dkeagle1911: what part are you having trouble with?
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19:33<Dkeagle1911>errrr, i started using linux 2 days ago so i'll say... Every part ? XD
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19:33<retrospectacus>did you complete line 1?
19:33<Dkeagle1911>the 2 first parts are easy, but i don't get the last part with the bash profile
19:34<Dkeagle1911>i don't understand the part with $DB_MAIN_BIN and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
19:35<retrospectacus>you don't have to. Just do it and see if it works
19:35<Dkeagle1911>ok i'll try
19:42<Dkeagle1911>so, if i understand well, i need to type the first line (export DB-MAIN...), then the second line (export PATH...) and the line with export LD library for 64 bits ?
19:43<Dkeagle1911>i need to copy those line in my bash.bashrc ?
19:44<mnuhmnuh>i disagree w export PATH=$DB_MAIN_BIN:$PATH - it should be added to end of PATH, not begining. devs are paranoid.
19:45<Dkeagle1911>am i supposed to copy the lines at the end of my bash.bashrc file ?
19:46<mnuhmnuh>i don't know what's a bash.bashrc; never seen one, nor needed it.
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19:47<Dkeagle1911>well, the readme file in DBmain tell to change de bash.bashrc file...
19:48<retrospectacus>/etc/bash.bashrc is correct
19:50<Dkeagle1911>i'm editing it, and after that i'm supposed to create a script to execute the software... yeaaah
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19:51<retrospectacus>maybe too late now but it is worth noting that it is not recommended to use software that you got from a website in tar.gz file - use the software in debian's extensive repositories instead
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19:52<Dkeagle1911>i don't think DB main is in the repositories, and it's a software i need at school so i don't really have the choice
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19:52<mnuhmnuh>strongly agree; apt-get > 50k pkgs.
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20:04<Dkeagle1911>so, i did everything they said in the readme, and i got this: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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20:09<itd>judd: file libpng12.so.0
20:09<judd>No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
20:10<itd>judd: file libpng12.so.0 --release jessie
20:10<judd>Search for libpng12.so.0 in jessie/amd64: libpng12-0: lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0, usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0
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20:12<itd>Dkeagle1911: That software depends on a library (libpng). It requires a(n old) version which is not in Debian stable (but only in Debian oldstable).
20:13<Dkeagle1911>i'm a big noob with linux (started using it 2 days ago) what should i do then ?
20:15<itd>Dkeagle1911: Talk to the people distributing that software and ask them to release a version that depends on a newer version of libpng (libpng16-16).
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20:17<itd>Dkeagle1911: You can try to work around that issue by installing an old version of that library.
20:17<Dkeagle1911>was thinking about adding jessie in my sources list, and then apt get libpng12.so.0, but i'm not sure
20:20<mnuhmnuh>possible - https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian
20:20<itd>Dkeagle1911: Yeah, create a file, e.g. /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jessie.list, with content 'deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main'. And then 'apt update && apt install libpng12-0'.
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20:20<Dkeagle1911>itd: i'll try that ^^ Thx
20:21<mnuhmnuh>i wouldn't mix releases (woody, jessie, stretch) in sources.list though. madness be there, maybe.
20:22<itd>mnuhmnuh: True.
20:22<Dkeagle1911>should i use ftp.be.debian.org ou deb.debian.org ?
20:22<itd>Dkeagle1911: Shouldn't matter.
20:23<Dkeagle1911>Ok ^^
20:23<mnuhmnuh>deb.debian.org - new debian dns magic will do right thing, usually.
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20:28<Dkeagle1911>it works! Thx a lot itd
20:29<Dkeagle1911>all i need to do now is a desktop entry, cause i can only run db-main with the dbm.sh script XD
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20:37<TobiX>Dkeagle1911: btw, the problems you are having might suggest that that software is shipping with an old version of Java, probably with security issues...
20:37<itd>Dkeagle1911: You could try to add a file with this content https://paste.debian.net/plainh/6de6e3d4 at the location mentioned in the first line. You need to replace 'full-path'.
20:39<Dkeagle1911>TobiX, it's a soft i need to work at school, nothing really important, i don't thing i'll have any problem...
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20:42<Dkeagle1911>itd, i made this https://paste.debian.net/1050055/ and it works perfectly xD (i moved the dbm.sh in a PATH directory, so just "dbm.sh" works)
20:43<mnuhmnuh>Dkeagle1911: just mash old version of java, security problems, and net/wifi connectivity, plus lots&lots of kids who understand tech better than you; see what you end up with.
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20:44<Dkeagle1911>mnuhmnuh, with my teacher, we're the only two using linux at school, the others students can't even use correctly windows, so i thing i'll be okay xD
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20:46<mnuhmnuh>bon chance. have fun.
20:47<Dkeagle1911>mnu
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20:47<Dkeagle1911>mnuhmnuh, Thx ^^
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