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07:21<avar>When using apt pin priorities, is there some way to express "I want packages from testing, this one from experimental, *and* if the one in experimental needs any deps in unstable/experimental pull them in too"
07:22<avar>git was recently upgraded in experimental to need libpcre2 from unstable, and deb resolved it by uninstalling git since I pin everything except git to testing
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07:43<itd>avar: you're on debian testing?
07:45<itd>(If yes, you want #debian-next.)
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07:48<ttaat>Yesterday i asked why iceweasel is outdated, can't see chat logs
07:49<ttaat>so why is iceweasel outdated in testing and why stable use a newer version?
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07:50<arto>!iceweasel
07:50<dpkg>Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/>
07:50<itd>ttaat: newer version in stable since stable follows upstream esr versions. (re testing: that update is a security update; no guarantees for security updates in testing)
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08:04<ttaat>ok i think i get this
08:05<ttaat>it's not actually the newer version but it just follow security updates from the newer version
08:05<ttaat>right?
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08:09<itd>ttaat: it (firefox-esr 60) is a newer version (newer than firefox-esr 52).
08:15<ttaat>but i thought testing always use newest packages?
08:16<dreamer>that depends on what you consider 'newest'
08:17<dreamer>it'll have the latest packages that are _in_ testing :P
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08:42<TobiX>ttaat: The reasoning is in the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security
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12:26<metallic>Hello everyone. I have a question about tasksel. Since tasksel manages metapackages to actually install tasks, and the program itself provides only a very narrow selection of tasks, is managing them via APT the recommended way of handling tasks?
12:27<metallic>most of the tasks are only available via APT repositories, but only a few from tasksel.
12:27<arto>metallic: you can use both as you wish
12:29<metallic>arto: yes, I know, let me be more precise: what is the point in using tasksel if apt (or aptitude or the like) gives access to more tasks than tasksel and offers more control over them (like uninstallation)?
12:30<arto>metallic: you don't have to use tasksel, apt can install metapackages too, as you have noted
12:30<arto>metallic: tasksel is more to help newbies IMHO
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12:32<annadane>the only tasksel i'd really install is xfce (and i haven't tried lxde/lxqt or whatever debian 9 has), other DEs just have too much bloat
12:33<annadane>that said the only *desktop* i'd use is xfce so that's a bit of bias
12:33<arto>annadane: I don't use any task, I think xfce task pulls too much aswell
12:33<annadane>desktop environments anyway, not counting window managers
12:35<metallic>mmm... I see, I thought so arto, but I wanted to check this with someone.
12:35<metallic>It feels weird to me to not show all the available tasks on tasksel though :/
12:36<arto>metallic: I think it's purpose is to get running system easily
12:36<annadane>not sure what you mean but you can apt search tasksel to see all tasksel's or apt show foo where foo is the name of the task you want - say task-xfce-desktop - and in its depends/recommends it will show you what would be installed
12:37<annadane>(apt installs depends and recommends by default though you can --no-install-recommends)
12:38<metallic>annadane: not a single localization tasks is available on tasksel, though one can get them via apt or the like. That is what feels weird to me. But I just wanted to make sure I was not missing something here :)
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12:44<TobiX>metallic: I might remember wrongly, but I think l18n tasks are installed automatically if you run the Debian installer in a specific language
12:45<TobiX>And "tasksel" has "simple" in its package description, so it makes sense its curated and doesn't list all available tasks...
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14:48<dust>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=912721
14:49<dust>no sound in sid
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15:09<annadane>dust, the right channel is #debian-next
15:09<annadane>#debian is for stable and sometimes oldstable
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15:59<dust>right annadane but as there was no reaction in #debian-next i thought its better to keep the attention here up too... not that such a bug gets into stable...
16:02<annadane>well, i replied in that channel, so there's your reaction :P
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17:20<wayside_iguana>Howdy! New to IRC. I have a question regarding wpasupplicant and Buster
17:21<annadane>wayside_iguana, try #debian-next
17:24<wayside_iguana>Thanks!
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17:30<bartosz1>Good evening. I need an advice for choosing an application to run flash (.swf). I will appreciate any suggestion. To make the task a little bit more complicated I must add that, I'm using the N150 Samsung Netbook with low resources (that's the reason why I use XFCE as a WM), and also I have the internet from hotspot established on my phone so I must use as low as possible of my broadband.
17:31<bartosz1>The thing about low resources I wrote to suggest some lightweight program.
17:31<bartosz1>Thank you in advance.
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18:09<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: you might want to look at package get-flash-videos
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18:26<bartosz1>sqrt{not} This packaged I found out is for downloading videos, I'd like to play a game in the .swf format.
18:27<bartosz1>And until now I've installed gnash but when I try to open the file I get only one picture which doesn't move without any options.
18:29<bartosz1>And gave me about 13 errors in the terminal.
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18:42<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: maybe you should look at the actual adobe flash player, as debian package flash-plugin-nonfree but I think you have to run it inside a browser like firefox or chromium
18:43<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: it is non-free in the sense of free software, but I think it is free as in paying money.
18:44<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: were you running gnash inside a browser ?
18:50<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: correction, i think the package name is flashplugin-nonfree and it looks like it has no version for stretch, probably because firefox doesn't like it now ?
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18:56<bartosz1>sqrt{not} I run gnash from the terminal - gnash <file>, I also install flash plugin as you adviced by following instructions from wiki debian and it gave no help. While I tried to run it in firefox it just asks to download the file.
18:56<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: sorry -- I personally gave up on SWF long ago as a security nightmare... If absolutely necessary, i download flash videos and convert them to a more civilized format to play them.
18:57<sqrt{not}>bartosz1: maybe someone more knowledgeable than I am, will give you a better answer if you wait longer.
18:58<bartosz1>No problem, but thank you very much for spending your time on that.
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