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01:18<k-man>for some reason U+1F92A doesn't render for me on linux
01:18<k-man>in debian
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01:20<ach>*g
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03:52<TotallyNotKim>when using stress --hdd, where do the writes go?
03:57<jm_>char name[] = "./stress.XXXXXX"; so apparently current dir
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03:58<jm_>try running it with --verbose
03:59<rudi_s>strace
03:59<jm_>yeah that's your option too, strace -e trace=file
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04:54<babyf>Can anyone point on some documentation on how multiple providers of the same binary are handled in Debian based distributions?
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04:54<babyf>eg. /usr/bin/sendmail, if I'd want to depend on just something that provides it, how do I do that
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04:55<fmneto>Hey there
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04:56<fmneto>Is there anyway I can download a new package from the ftp-masters?
04:58<Anarka>heres incoming
04:58<Anarka>incoming.debian.org
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05:02<fmneto>Thanks, I didn't know where to find it
05:02<itd>babyf: 'depend on just something that provides it' https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual-pkg
05:02<itd>babyf: packaging for the debian archive?
05:03<fmneto>Hmm. Although the package I'm looking for is not there.
05:03<babyf>itd: Nope, just curious. Thank you for that (and I guess that is what Provides: is for?)
05:07<itd>babyf: yes
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07:27<Synthea>I've noticed that libpam-smbpass doesn't exist anymore, does that mean that samba itself cares about the wole sync-when-you-update-pass-with-passwd thing?
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09:55<Synthea>Can I sync samba passwords with unix so that if someone changes his password through passwd it changes also the password for the samba daemon? Does it require libpam-smbpass?
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10:08<grove>Synthea: I haven't touched samba for more than 15 years, but back then I couldn't make it work. It kind of worked to configure login etc. to query the samba, that happened through pam, possibly using some module, I simply don't remember if it was called libpam-smbpass. The only quirk I remember was that changing passwords had to happen either through one of the windows boxes (that were teh ...
10:08<grove>... reason we had samba running) or though some special script
10:09<Synthea>grove, can you help me then (?)
10:10<Synthea>It was with jessie?
10:10<Synthea>Ah sorry, you couldn't make it work
10:13<grove>It was with potato (I think)
10:15<grove>(I said 15 years, that only brings us to woody, but that was for touching samba, this happened earlier)
10:20<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: python-smbpasswd help any?
10:21<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, idk
10:22<mnuhmnuh>idk samba, btw. just drillin'.
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13:23<petn-randall>Synthea: Yes, it's possible. Though I don't recall how it was set up, sorry.
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13:37<Devastator>I'm setting up openvpn and wonder where can I find logs to see why it is starting and exiting almost instantly
13:40<fdelapena>journalctl -xe --unit openvpn maybe
13:40<fdelapena>or systemctl status openvpn
13:41<Devastator>fdelapena --xe unrecognized option, systemctl status openvpn just says it is inactive
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13:45<itd>Devastator: not '--xe' but '-xe'
13:45<petn-randall>Devastator: Not that you didn't use the same option as fdelapena said.
13:45<petn-randall>*Note
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13:51<Devastator>itd, petn-randall sorry
13:52<itd>Devastator: no harm done. :)
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13:52<Devastator>ok, the command works, but I still can't figure out why openvpn stops after being started..
13:53<Devastator>is there a interactive way of starting it?
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13:57<fdelapena>check how the systemd unit file launches it
13:58<fdelapena>when you do the systemctl status, the loaded line shows the full path
13:58<fdelapena>you may cat, vi, less, etc. the file to check how it works
13:59<fdelapena>in that file, take a look to the ExecStart line
13:59<Devastator>fdelapena ExecStart=/bin/true
14:01<fdelapena>hmm...
14:03<fdelapena>sane distros have something different there
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14:03<Devastator>I consider debian a sane distro..
14:03<Devastator>it is me that is losing my sanity
14:03<fdelapena>I ceased using Debian 10 years ago because I want more vanilla settings for packages
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14:04<fdelapena>e.g. for apache httpd, it is actually called httpd but Debian still calls it apache2 for some insane reason
14:04<petn-randall>openvpn service is a template.
14:04<fdelapena>then you need to read two documents: upstream and distro, instead of a single documentation
14:05<fdelapena>and that makes everybody unproductive
14:05<petn-randall>fdelapena: and now you're using ... ?
14:06<Devastator>I would follow openvpn official guide, but I don't wanna break debian and make my life miserable maintaining it in the long run
14:06<petn-randall>Devastator: `systemctl` should show you a service like "openvpn@foo", check that. "foo" being the name of the config you chose.
14:07<Devastator>petn-randall systemctl status?
14:08<Devastator>well, systemctl alone only gave me openvpn.service
14:08<fdelapena>I use some lsb based distro currently, the name does not matter
14:09<petn-randall>fdelapena: is it a secret?
14:09<fdelapena>no, it's fedora
14:09<annadane>aha! *commences hacking*
14:10<petn-randall>fdelapena: The reason Debian calls it apache2, is because httpd is a virtual package, as there are many different http daemons out there.
14:11<fdelapena>that looks a possible good reason, if other vanilla supported packages share the same binary name
14:12<Devastator>petn-randall as you could guess, this is my first time setting up openvpn, my first problem was where to put server.conf, as openvpn install creates /etc/openvpn/client/ and /etc/openvpn/server/, which I assumed /etc/openvpn/server/ is where server.conf should be
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14:13<Devastator>then I tried moving it to /etc/openvpn/ but I still can't figure why it fails to start
14:15<jmux>Synthea: you should be able to do this with libpam-winbind. python-smbpasswd is for generating old (samba3) NT and LM hashes, which are easy to crack.
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14:17<petn-randall>Devastator: `openvpn --config <configfile>` is easy to test. If you want to know where to dump the config, first thing I'd check it the README.Debian.
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14:18<Synthea>jmux, but winbind irc does things like telling NBNS matchings domain-ip ._.
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14:20<Devastator>petn-randall it seems /etc/openvpn is the right place, according to README.Debian, but then I fail to see a point in having both folders, which seems a more organized way of managing conf files
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14:22<jmux>Synthea: I'm not sure there is a way to change a Samba password without a trusted host.
14:23<Synthea>jmux, oh, can you give me documentation/tutorials on how to do that?
14:27<jmux>Synthea: haven't used Samba since Samba3 with OpenLDAP..
14:28<jmux>You can check, if you can use the "net rap password" without a trusted host: https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/current/man-html/net.8.html
14:30<jmux>If that works, there is something like python-pam, so eventually you can write a little python script to do the sync via a net call.
14:32<jmux>But still it's probably easier to just auth to AD using pan_winbind. What happens if a user of your ad changs it'S password via Windows?
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14:35<jmux>Samba3 was ble to sync with Linux via "unix password sync". You can store plaintext passwords in Samba4.
14:36<jmux>I'm not sure something like https://github.com/baboons/samba4-gaps is a good idea, but it seems to work until someone steals your plaintext passords…
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14:44<jmux>Synthea: And then there is something like FreeIPA if you really don't want to keep your data in Samba4
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14:49<Synthea>jmux, does this work on both directions? I mean, if I set the pwd trough smbpasswd it works, but what about when I change it with /usr/bin/passwd?
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14:56<jmux>Synthea: both directions? I don't have any knowledge of Samba4. I guess pam_winbind would update the the Samba password and whatever other pam module is listed would update their passowrds.
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15:00<jmux>There wouldn't be any smbpassword involved unless you write something like a python pam module, which would just call smbpassword with the users credentials.
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15:36<Dkeagle>Hey everyone! i'd like to know which option in easier: install windows first then Debian, or Debian first and windows after ? (for a dual-boot oc)
15:36<annadane>pretty sure the former
15:37<annadane>i've heard horror stories of windows deleting the linux partition
15:37<Dkeagle>so windows first then debian ? XD
15:37<annadane>yeah. from what i know, anyway - other opinions welcome
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15:40<Devastator>afaik, if you install windows first, debian installer will be able to recognize it and add windows as boot option automatically
15:41<mnuhmnuh>other opinions? don't bother installing win*?
15:41<mnuhmnuh>at all.
15:42<Devastator>he might game, so Windows is needed
15:42<fdelapena>libvirt + virtio scsi driver on installation
15:43<fdelapena>suggestion: virt-manager
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15:44<fdelapena>dedicated 3d card? you may even do pci passthrough if needed
15:44<mnuhmnuh>if you need win*, get another box. annadane has an nvidia based box he'll be happy to unload.
15:44<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle: Yes, windows first is the default method. Windows tends to assume it's the only thing on the drive.
15:45<fdelapena>don't expose your boot, I've lost several times the boot and never happened again since doing virtualization
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15:46<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle: Since most people started out with a Windows box they used to download a linux iso, the installer has pretty much always supported dual-boot and resizing the Windows partition.
15:46<Dkeagle>i was thinking about a complete Debian install and launch windows in virtualbox, but i can't
15:47<Dkeagle>old computer, cpu doesn't allow virtualization
15:47<fdelapena>really old it seems
15:47<Dkeagle>tried to launch virtualbox, got an error from windows, 0x00000260 (you'll need a compatible cpu)
15:47<fdelapena>there are even some Pentium 4 with virtualization support
15:48<Dkeagle>it's not "that" old, that's the funny part
15:48<Dkeagle>windows 10 home 64bits is installed on the disk and i don't have any problem with it, i just wanted to install only Debian et run windows in vbox
15:49<Dkeagle>in windows, i can run a linux vbox, but in debian i can't run a windows vbox
15:51<Synthea>jmux, then how it's synced samba and unix password?
15:52<fdelapena>Dkeagle, try virt-manager, maybe it works
15:52<Dkeagle>fdelapena, i'll give it a try
15:52<fdelapena>but don't forget to install it with virtio as hard disk and provide the virtio ISO
15:52<fdelapena>otherwise I/O performance will be really bad
15:53<fdelapena>win installer won't detect the hard disk, then you need to provide the driver from the mounted virtio iso
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15:54<jmux>Synthea: there is no sync. PAM will just forward the password to all modules registered as type password in the pam configuration. Each can do whatever it want with the credentials.
15:56<Dkeagle>fdelapena, i'll try that later, i'm having an issue with codeblocks right now xD
15:57<jmux>Synthea: If you already have Samba4, then I would just use it for auth and password change, so there is no need for a sync.
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15:58<Synthea>jmux, samba version is 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9
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15:58<Synthea>So I should use smbpasswd instead of passwd or what?
16:00<jmux>Synthea: and while at it use Kerberos everywhere for SSO.
16:01<Synthea>jmux, I was thinking of setting ldap
16:02<jmux>Synthea: No - just use pam + nss + winbind.
16:02<Synthea>jmux, nss = ?
16:03<jmux>Synthea: Name Service Switch - man nsswitch.conf
16:04<Synthea>Okay I will clarify my goal, the more I talk about these things the more I got confused
16:04<jmux>Synthea: :-)
16:05<Synthea>I have machines, one is a little static machine which I want to config mysql, samba and a little webserver
16:06<Synthea>I want passwords for this static machine between samba, mysql and unix/sshd to be related
16:06<Synthea>And then there's my laptop, I want the passwords only between unix and samba to be related
16:07<Synthea>unix/sshd of course
16:08<Synthea>Someone has given me this about unix/mariadb password relation https://mariadb.com/resources/blog/configuring-pam-group-mapping-with-mariadb/
16:08<Synthea>I've not finished it because I can't manage to get it to work, altough I've compiled this module by myself
16:09<Synthea>With the samba/unix thing I'm totally in high sea
16:09<Synthea>jmux
16:11<jmux>Synthea: and then you mentioned LDAP.
16:12<Synthea>jmux, I thought it can be a nice way of setting password sync on the static machine
16:12<Synthea>Since I'm in high sea
16:12<jmux>Synthea: so instead of further stuff, please read some documentation how PAM and NSS work.
16:12<Synthea>jmux what docs do you suggest? Something simple please
16:13<Dkeagle>is there a specific channel about coding in debian
16:13<Dkeagle>?
16:13<jmux>Synthea: then you normally don't want to sync passord. Many services have a connector to a an identity service, like LDAP, which provides users and passwords.
16:14<Synthea>Dkeagle, > #debian-mentors > #packaging
16:14<jmux>Synthea: for your setup this would be your Samba4, which provides and AD, which includes LDAP and Kerberos
16:14<Synthea>jmux, yeah, I want only them to share the same password dynamically
16:14<Dkeagle>Synthea, thx
16:15<Dkeagle>Synthea, you sure about the channel ? i'm talking about C and C++ coding
16:15<Synthea>jmux, samba4 provides active directory?
16:15<fdelapena>Dkeagle, I'd suggest trying gnome-builder as an alternative to code::blocks
16:15<Synthea>Dkeagle, ah sorry then > #c++
16:16<Dkeagle>fdelapena, the thing is that i have a compatibility problem with my code
16:16<Dkeagle>Synthea, thx haha
16:18<jmux>Synthea: syncing passwords and users is most times a bad idea. Just tell the service to get the users and password from your identity provider, which would be the AD in your setup.
16:18<Synthea>jmux what component give active directory exactly, smbd, nmbd or winbind?
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16:19<jmux>Synthea: I don't know Samba4, but I know it implements AD.
16:20<jmux>Synthea: just read the docs @ https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/User_Documentation
16:21<Dkeagle>fdelapena, i'm coding with codeblock on windows at home, and with codeblocks on linux on my laptop (at work), but a code i made under windows won't compile on linux, and a code made on linux won't compile in windows, i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status"
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16:24<jmux>Synthea: I guess you have a lot to learn. While at it also look for Kerberos and eventually SSO.
16:25<jmux>Synthea: And normally you would not attach MySQL auth to an identity provider, because you have a service, which needs a DB and uses a service user.
16:26<jmux>But the service itself can use authentification and eventually users from an identity provider like an AD
16:26<Synthea>jmux, I would connect only a group of system users and give them total access, other users are only inside db
16:27<Synthea>jmux, you're right I guess, please let me know about the more understandable docs about them
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16:28<jmux>Synthea: MariaDB for example can use LDAP for auth; https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/authentication-plugin-pam/
16:28<shuber>Hi. Is CONFIG_R8822BE in buster linux-image-amd64 set?
16:28<Synthea>jmux, does it mean I have to setup ldap server or ActiveDirectory is sufficient?
16:29<shuber>I have a Thinkpad E480 here and stretch (incl. stretch-backports) has not, so I cannot have wifi running
16:31<jmux>Synthea: I don't have explicit docs: I just throw the keywords into my preferred search engine and post the stuff here for you.
16:31<jhutchins_wk>Synthea: It doesn't sound like you're dealing with a lot of users. Are you?
16:31<Synthea>jhutchins_wk, yeah, just 4 or 5 maybe
16:32<jhutchins_wk>Synthea: Not hard to manually synchronise then.
16:32<jmux>Synthea: I would start reading about Samba4. Then general knowledge about the technologies involved (Kerberos / LDAP / DNS / DHCP)
16:32<Synthea>jhutchins_wk, too tiresome
16:32<jhutchins_wk>Synthea: DB user accounts are usually NOT the same as shell accounts.
16:33<Synthea>jmux, is 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u3 samba4?
16:33<jmux>Synthea: Then read documentation on connecting services like MySQL, Linux clients etc. to AD. 4.5.12 is your Samba version.
16:34<jmux>Synthea: 2: it just a package epoch
16:34<piper>shuber: last I knew # CONFIG_R8822BE is not set if it changes no clue
16:34<shuber>just found the answer by downloading the deb file, unpacking and grepping the /boot/config* file
16:34<Synthea>Thx jmux
16:34<shuber>piper: CONFIG_R8822BE=m
16:34<shuber>in config-4.18.0-2-amd64
16:36<piper>shuber: ok, i see, thanks, someone asked this before, where I seen it and made note of, and from a post on reddit :(
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16:37<piper>but, i see now 4.17
16:37<piper>shuber: sorry for the noise
16:37<shuber>piper: it is not set for the 4.18 kernel in stretch-backports, however
16:37<jmux>Synthea: you can also have a look at products like https://www.univention.com/products/ucs/. They have a free "core" license. Maybe that's sufficient for your use case.
16:37<shuber>piper: not at all, thanks for the reply
16:38<piper>yeah, looking at a thread with backports i see that
16:40<jmux>Synthea: or look at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianLAN
16:44<piper>shuber: plus i looked here https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/staging/rtlwifi/rtl8822be and https://packages.debian.org/buster/kernel/
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16:54<jmux>shuber: you can compile it yourself. copy the directory of the source, change the Makefile from obj-$(CONFIG_R8822BE) to obj-m and run make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-… M=`pwd`
16:55<jmux>If the source is from the same kernel, this should simply compile
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17:27<shuber>jmic: thx. I think I will just install Buster
17:27<shuber>Easier to maintain in the future
17:33<jhutchins_wk>shuber: Well, at least until it breaks.
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18:33<insufficient-entropy>Is there a preferred way to get PECL modules on testing? I need PHP 7.something, but it looks like php-pear is only 7.2 and the rest of testing is 7.3 (or did I miss something?)
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18:46<sqrt{not}>insufficient-entropy: the testing people are at #debian-next
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18:56*mnuhmnuh i thought our job was beating back entropy. :-|
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