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00:28<mnuhmnuh>this's what i love about xconsole. wth is this (atril babbling) going into journalctl? https://paste.debian.net/1052086/
01:03<cef>atril is a form of evince (it's a PDF viewer. It's watching to see if the file changes so it can do stuff if it does.
01:04<cef>err.. form = fork
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08:42<Synthea>How can I have a syslog daemon that can save logs from different daemons on different locations?
09:00<Brigo>Synthea, i think any syslog can do that.
09:00<Synthea>Brigo, even outside /var/log?
09:01<Brigo>Synthea, i think so, what would be the problem?
09:02<Synthea>Brigo, I want to store some of the logs in /var/log with some daemon that writes them into specific files and some onto an encrypted partitions
09:03<Brigo>i think you have to modify the syslog configuration then.
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09:11<Synthea>Brigo, but can rsyslogd to that?
09:12<Synthea>*do
09:13<Brigo>Synthea, yes, read the man page, and syslog.conf man page and logger man page.
09:13<Synthea>Brigo, nice
09:13<Synthea>What's the main difference between rsyslogd and syslog-ng?
09:14<Brigo>Synthea, differents approachs to the same problem.
09:14<Brigo>I really don't know/remember if there are any practical differencies.
09:15<Synthea>Irc syslog-ng can receive logs from other machines by mantaining a port open, idk if rsyslogd also can do that
09:15<Brigo>it can
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10:39<mnuhmnuh>cef: okay, but why's its babbling going into journalctl? .xsession-errors seems more apropriate.
10:40<mnuhmnuh>if anywhere.
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11:05<dondelelcaro>mnuhmnuh: it likely just rights out to stderr, so if it's started by systemd, then its output will end up in journalctl
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11:54<Synthea>I've not get a thing, what exactly is a "syslog facility"? Why it has strange names like "local0" "local1" yadda yadda?
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11:58<sqrt{not}>Synthea: that way, any weird program can keep logs via syslog -- my weather station uses some local1 facility, which ends up in /var/log/weather.log (& .1 .2.gz etc)
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11:59<Synthea>sqrt{not}, how many local$n facilities there are?
11:59<Synthea>10?
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11:59<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: syslog facility is the traditional *nix service or daemon which collates and stores system software logging statements. syslog, syslog-ng, rsyslog, journalctl, ...
12:00<sqrt{not}>Synthea: idk what limit
12:00<mnuhmnuh>many machines can send logging to a central log server instead of running syslog locally.
12:00<Synthea>Thx anyway
12:02<Synthea>Btw I'm still stuck with that ngircd-doesn't-accept-cert thing, if I self-cert the crt file it accepts it, otherwise it won't
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12:04<mnuhmnuh>man 5 rsyslog.conf. ugh, i avoid wbbish dev stuff. bon chance.
12:07<mnuhmnuh>(r)syslog can even send to mariadb, postgres, ...
12:07<sqrt{not}>my (maybe old) syslog.conf(5) says: The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, authpriv, cron, daemon, ftp, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news,
12:07<sqrt{not}> security (same as auth), syslog, user, uucp and local0 through local7.
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12:09<sqrt{not}>So I added this line: local0.* -/var/log/weather.log
12:09<sqrt{not}>in /etc/syslog.conf
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12:14<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: all you've said is true here too w rsyslog. /etc/rsyslog.conf (i added -/dev/xconsole).
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13:30<sqrt{not}>It looks like the local facility could become more than 0-7, up to any number that fits it 28 bits, if you are bold enough to change /usr/include/sys/syslog.h and recompile probably many many things.
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13:47<furrymcgee>why is this difference in du -sh and df -h output: 567M /tmp/;tmpfs 5.0G 3.5G 1.6G 69% /tmp ?
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13:51<blast007>furrymcgee: did you get any permission denied messages when you ran the 'du'?
13:52<furrymcgee>no this was su, but there was overflow
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13:52<blast007>https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/du-vs-df-huge-difference%3B-disk-space-vanishing-539185/
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13:55<blast007>(as mentioned at that URL, there could be deleted files that some program still has open, so it's still taking up space on the filesystem until that program releases them)
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13:58<furrymcgee>there must be something else than reboot
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14:06<mnuhmnuh>furrymcgee: sync ; syc
14:06<mnuhmnuh>flush buffers
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14:15<blast007>furrymcgee: did the lsof they mentioned show anything?
14:15<furrymcgee>got it with losetup -D
14:15<furrymcgee>thanks
14:21<furrymcgee>dont know if lsof shows files used in losetup
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19:17<Synthea>Does a irc server know from what domain name you contact it? Or it doesn't matter from it's point of view if you contact it from oftc.net or oftcaefgrss.onion?
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: i thought oftc had recently chosen to refuse tor connects.
19:20<abacate>Hello. I need to be sure if my corrupt Debian install is efi or bios. How to check that?
19:20<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, I don't refer to oftc specifically, it's only an example
19:22<mnuhmnuh>abacate: can you get into setup (bios?) at boot time? ESC key or F1-N key?
19:22<abacate>mnuhmnuh, I'm currently at Debian live, to try to reinstall grub. It's best to restart the system?
19:23<abacate>I'm not sure if any config at bios/efi is wrong right now.
19:24<mnuhmnuh>abacate: perhaps i don't know what you want. restate your q?
19:25<abacate>mnuhmnuh, nevermind, restarted and checked setup through F2
19:25<mnuhmnuh>ah, no, use live to fix grub. sorry for noise.
19:26<abacate>OK mnuhmnuh, but how to know if I will need to install grub or grub-efi?
19:27<mnuhmnuh>sorry, i'm the wrong one to ask. are you dual-booting? if not, you don't need/want efi.
19:27<abacate>mnuhmnuh, I don't have dual-boot, and don't want to have it.
19:28<abacate>Yesterday I used IRC, and through the directories of the root partition, it seemed the system was at first installed as efi.
19:28<abacate>But I'm not really sure if it was checked properly.
19:28<mnuhmnuh>so do you now have to disable efi in bios then carry on as normal from there? i'd guess so.
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19:29<abacate>That is, the command to check it returned no response
19:30<mnuhmnuh>i don't know efi, never wanted it or stumbled onto it yet.
19:30<abacate>OK mnuhmnuh, I opted, on "boot device control", to "Legacy OpROM only", instead of the previous "UEFI and Legacy OpROM".
19:31<abacate>That's on "Compatibility Support Module".
19:32<abacate>I'll now try the rescue mode of the debian normal installer (not live image), as it seems to be easier
19:33<Synthea>So mnuhmnuh do you know that?
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19:49<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: know what?
19:49<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, if an irc server knows what domain are you using to connect
19:50<Synthea>An http server knows it because browser insert it in the request
19:50<bremner>is this a debian question in some way I can't see?
19:51<mnuhmnuh>i can do /wi in irssi, and it says server, nick, some Synthea123...@...oftc.net, ...
19:52<mnuhmnuh>i imagine ops can see anything they want re connection, save tor.
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19:55<Synthea>bremner, yes cuz I'm struggling against ngircd on debian
19:55<Synthea>Certificates and yaddayadda
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19:58<Synthea>Moreover idk if all irc server and client implementations supports x509 extendend implementations and Subject Alternative Name in particular
19:59<mnuhmnuh>"To operate the network, we store
19:59<mnuhmnuh>14:09 -!- - and process information about IRC connections, nicknames,
19:59<mnuhmnuh>14:09 -!- - and channels.
19:59<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, I don't get what this means
20:03<Synthea>Hexchat seems to support x509v3 specifications and so probably SAN (so I guess some servers use it) https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/blob/master/src/common/ssl.c but does the hexchat provided in debian support it?
20:07<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: apt show hexchat: "... multiple authentication methods including SASL."
20:07<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, I don't get what has to do sasl with x509v3
20:08<mnuhmnuh>find out what "multiple authentication methods" means.
20:09<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, I'm talking about server SSL certificates, not client
20:10<Synthea>Btw also hexchat seems to support it (?) https://salsa.debian.org/debian/hexchat/blob/master/src/common/ssl.c
20:10<Synthea>*on debian
20:15<Synthea>I've probably get why ngircd hasn't accepted my certificates, they had x509v3 extensions and ngircd doesn't seem to support it https://github.com/ngircd/ngircd/blob/fb760d94736897aea32bf81a864d87a150015276/src/ngircd/conn-ssl.c
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20:28<abacate>!grub
20:28<dpkg>GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>.
20:28<abacate>!fixmbr
20:28<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
20:31<abacate>mnuhmnuh, I still can't reinstall grub, it gives modinfo.sh error
20:31<abacate>I already disabled efi
20:32<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: http://ngircd.barton.de ... and apt show ngircd says it supports ssl.
20:33<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, but I don't see the x509v3 module called
20:35<abacate>How frustrating
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23:19<tomnz888>Hi, I upgraded to buster, then ctrl-t doesn't work any more. It's okay when returning back to 9.5. Any advice?
23:27<awal1>ctrl-t where?
23:27<awal1>gnome?
23:27<awal1>i guess for open a terminal?
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