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10:50<someusername>So, I ended up narrowing down my issue, when I unplug any USB mass storage device, it appears the kernel goes haywire and the computer fully freezes for good ( if I close the lid nothing happens, same with trying to get to the tty or other keyboards shortcuts, and if it was playing any music it'd loop the last 3 seconds in an infinite manner); how can I extract any logs of this or kernel messages
10:50<someusername>right at the freeze moment? (I can reproduce this consistently)
10:51<someusername>It's worse with more recent kernel versions as it fully freezes out of the blue, even if I don't uplug anything, on 4.9.0.8 it just freezes if I eject any USB/external HDD
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11:04<mnuhmnuh>someusername: i'd ssh into it then unplug and try to capture what it says --> p.d.n; also journalctl -b -1 after reboot to see last boot's messages
11:10<someusername>mnuhmnuh: the boot message are "recovering ext4 journal" since the panic was sudden
11:10<someusername>Also, ssh to it and capture what?
11:10<someusername>what am I supposed to monitor?
11:11<sqrt{not}>someusername: do you cleanly unmount the mass storage filesystems before you unplug the device ?
11:11<someusername>Yes.
11:12<someusername>Either via thunar unmount or with unmount on cli.
11:12<someusername>thunar can be a bit finnicky sometimes, but I doubt that's the cause.
11:13<mnuhmnuh>someusername: traditional is "tail -f /var/log/messages" then unplug and ...
11:13<someusername>Alright, I'll give that a go.
11:17<mnuhmnuh>this sounds very odd, but mfgrs keep coming up with novel ways to screw up hardware.
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11:28<someusername>mnuhmnuh: ?
11:29<mnuhmnuh>you'd think usb was old tech., easily handled by now.
11:30<someusername>No, what is mfgrs?
11:30<mnuhmnuh>computing ages quicker than dogs.
11:30<mnuhmnuh>manufacturers
11:31<someusername>Ah, alright.
11:31<someusername>But this didn't happen on previous kernel versions, that's what's boggling me.
11:34<mnuhmnuh>any chance you've a mix of usb 1/2/3 hardware involved. there are rumors re how they work with each other.
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12:21<someusername>mnuhmnuh: one usb 3.0 external hdd on the usb3.0 port and another external hdd on the 3.0 port with a 2.0 cable.
12:23<duncan>The issues with USB3 is often down to hardware behaving badly
12:36<someusername>It's with several mass storage devices :-/
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13:43<mch>is there any good tutorials or advice for getting kali repos to show up on debian stretch? All i've found is katoolin which seems like a hack at best
13:47<piper>!kali linux
13:47<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:47<piper>!kali-magic
13:47<dpkg>Kali Linux is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian> and <they don't know>.
13:48<annadane>you'd probably also break your system
13:48<annadane>!frankendebian
13:48<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
13:48<annadane>post ALL the factoids!
13:53<piper>annadane: i only have one hand/arm atm, i'm not fast enough
13:53<piper>:P
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14:11<mch>the frankendebian one is the most helpful. So this #debian channel won't give any help regarding unofficial repos because they are prone to breakage and etc?
14:13<sney>blending various debian derivatives together is a bad idea and unsupported
14:13<sney>if you want to do it, you are on your own
14:13<annadane>there are *some* unoffcial repos one can use but they're exceptions to the rule
14:14<mch>!unnoficialrepos
14:14<mch>!unofficialrepos
14:14<annadane>why not put kali tools in other places in the file system hierarchy? https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable
14:14<annadane>see also "man hier" in your terminal
14:14<sney>iirc, the kali developers are also debian developers. I'd be very surprised if most of those tools are not already in main
14:15<mch>cool, I will check the repo and read that page
14:16<mch>ty for all the help
14:16<annadane>generally people use /opt for commercial software, /usr/local for things that involve multiple locations (/usr/local/bin, /usr/local/share etc) or .local for per-user
14:16<annadane>well "commercial software", more like system-wide installed things where they can all be put into that directory instead of multiple locations
14:17<annadane>those don't interfere with the packaging system or pull in unwanted dependencies
14:18*mnuhmnuh i liked kali-magic :-|
14:19*mnuhmnuh i liked !kali-magic :-|
14:21<mch>makes sense, i'll try to follow that heuristic once i figure out what I need and what I dont
14:24<sqrt{not}>you'll probably find that regular debian has many many abilities, more than any one of us will probably ever use (but a different subset for each individual)
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15:43<someusername>mnuhmnuh: didnt help
15:43<someusername>/var/log/messages doesnt show anything related to the freeze
15:43<someusername>just ejected one of the drives, fully froze the system without any message appearing
15:44<someusername>...because the system is fully froze upon ejection
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15:48<chungy>hrm, I just used reportbug and it didn't ask me for my mail address... sent off to the list with chungy@turanga.lan. I hope that's not an issue with getting it submitted :/
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15:54<bremner>chungy: it might be an issue getting any answer / acknowledgement
15:55<chungy>aye, but I can at least watch bugs.debian.org to see it go in
15:55<chungy>assuming it does, I think I can subscribe to the issue thread?
15:56<bremner>chungy: yes, you can subscribe
15:56<bremner>you can also change the "owner" of the bug to a correct address, if you want
15:57<chungy>cool. I know it can take a while to get submitted, I'll be patient :)
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