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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-12-11

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09:46<ach>How can i tell apt to deny remove the dns client and how can i tell ip addr to hold the address i have given?
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09:49<grove>ach: Why do you want to do either? Both sounds like work-arounds for the real problems you're having
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09:50<duclicsic>ach: on the 'ip addr' question, nothing configured interactively through iproute2 is persistent. persisting an IP address between reboots is a matter of putting it in /etc/network/interfaces
09:50<duclicsic>or i assume you could use networkd or something, but i've been avoiding touching that stuff
09:50<ach>both not done but correct
09:51<ach>i didn't
09:51<ach>oh no i didn't
09:51<ach>it didn't
09:51<ach>oh no i didn't
09:51<ach>why the fuck not it
09:52<ach>so far i don't understand a computer
09:54<duclicsic>i'm not sure we can help you thereā€¦
09:54<itd>ach: need more details. apt removes dns client? -> paste.debian.net
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10:00<ach>i just do my own get done with it but also would later show worst is not worst bug ever
10:02<grove>!de
10:02<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
10:06<ach>just for remove the network manager it has no dns client
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10:12<grove>ach: You're not making enough sense for me (at least, I can't speak for others) to actually have any idea how to help you. In general a good first step is to describe the actual problem ou're seeing, not what you think is the solution
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12:19<EmleyMoor>When I try to print multiple copies of the same document on my printer (Lexmark CS410) from my Debian systems, it seems to take a long time processing between copies, as though they were not being printed as copies but individual documents. I'm printing from LibreOffice. Is there anything I can do to speed things up?
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15:30<cpaelzer>bzed: I saw you merged the second gpsd branch, let me know if it succeeds for you or if there are any issues due to that once you upload it
15:31<cpaelzer>bzed: also thanks for the open-vm-tools accept - I hope we can talk a bit about all of these packages on the DBSP
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16:01<bzed>cpaelzer: you're welcome! I'll upload gpsd in a few minutes. Thanks for your work!
16:02<bzed>cpaelzer: well, actually I think I will not because it needs a transition...
16:09<bzed>cpaelzer: hmm, would it be possible to release the appamor file under the same license as gpsd?
16:09<bzed>cpaelzer: I'd prefer to upstream it
16:10<bzed>cpaelzer: also: # gpsd device to share
16:11<bzed> /dev/gpsd[0-9] rw,
16:11<bzed>does such a device really exist?
16:13<bzed>there are /dev/gps symlinks from udev, but no /dev/gpsd imho.
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16:31<Riteo>hi
16:31<Riteo>is there where i can find support for debian?
16:32<annadane>sure, here's a good place
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16:33<Riteo>Well, if this is the right place then, I need some help regarding pulseaudio and the front headpone jack as it doesn't automatically switch the speakers with the headphones
16:33<Riteo>Is there any known issue?
16:34<annadane>more specifically this is for debian stable and testing/unstable is #debian-next
16:35<Riteo>i installed the latest stable iirc
16:36<Riteo>my card is identified as HD-Audio generic and the chip is Realtek ALC892
16:37<Riteo>can anybody help me?
16:38<Riteo>i also checked, and it identifies the audio jack as i can see the status set to "plugged", but the output isn't switched
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16:48<Riteo>so it's there anybidy to help me?
16:48<Riteo>anybody*
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16:52<watchcat>Riteo: it might take a while for someone who knows the answer to your question to notice it. best bet is be patient and stick around.
16:53<Riteo>ok
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17:08<mnuhmnuh>Riteo: see if this's any help - https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Zotac/Zbox/CI547?highlight=%28ALC892%29
17:11<Riteo>let me see
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17:14<Riteo>i don't see anything special, it sasys autoconfig for ALC892
17:18<Riteo>mnuhmnuh: what did you meant?
17:19<bit_flipper>Riteo: My HDMI monitors have built-in speakers. I just plug the headphones into the jack at the back of the HDMI monitor and the speakers swithc off
17:19<Riteo>i do the same thing
17:19<Riteo>i have my hdmi speaker and an audio jack
17:19<Riteo>but the jack simply doesn't work
17:19<Riteo>no wait
17:19<Riteo>i mean the switching
17:19<Riteo>the actual jack works
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17:20<Riteo>is the switching that doesn't work
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17:42<blast007>Riteo: because it's two completely separate audio devices, I don't think it will switch automatically. Do you use Gnome?
17:43<Riteo>no, i use kde
17:45<blast007>hmm, okay. I have an audio switcher that I manually use to flip between my internal soundcard and my USB headphones.
17:45<Riteo>so it's normal that it doesn't switch? that seems strange to me
17:47<annadane>my experience with pavucontrol is if i set a sound source to headphones, plugging in my headphones will switch the sound, but if i don't then it will keep playing in the speakers
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17:49<Riteo>well, if the switching isn't already there(thing that looks way too strange to me) there seems that someone made it himself
17:50<bit_flipper>Riteo: Go to - Settings > System Settings > Multimedia > Audio & Video > Device Preference TAB
17:50<bit_flipper>Move the Headphones device to the top of the list
17:51<Riteo>ok
17:51<bit_flipper>Move the HDMI device below that ie: second item
17:51<Riteo>ok
17:51<bit_flipper>go to Audio Hardware TAB
17:52<Riteo>ok
17:52<bit_flipper>Under the Audio Hardware TAB, you will need to experiment
17:53<Riteo>well, with HD-Audio Generic when i set it as audio duplex it made my audio also the mic, so i think that's not the right profile
17:53<Riteo>i think it would be the Out "Analog Stereo"
17:54<Riteo>do i have to reboot my pc after that?
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17:56<bit_flipper>I think logout/login should be good enough
17:56<Riteo>something for now has deefinitely changed
17:56<Riteo>the settings need to be saved when i plug my jack
17:57<Riteo>i'll reboot just for safety and tell you
17:57<bit_flipper>I'll wait
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17:59<Riteo>ok, here i am
18:00<bit_flipper>so, does it work?
18:00<Riteo>nop
18:00<Riteo>still the jack is the only thing that works
18:00<Riteo>no swtiching
18:00<Riteo>i need to set the source manually
18:00<Riteo>then the hdmi works
18:00<bit_flipper>yes, you will need to do that
18:01<bit_flipper>I think you have a defective jack
18:01<Riteo>no, it works
18:01<Riteo>the status is set correctly
18:01<Riteo>and on windows it works
18:01<Riteo>is on debian that i get this issue
18:01<Riteo>on pavucontrol i get the update
18:01<bit_flipper>What, exactly is your setup?
18:02<Riteo>a custom built rig
18:02<Riteo>with a CtEsports Vela as the case
18:02<Riteo>i think this is what matters, right?
18:02<bit_flipper>How is your speaker system connected?
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18:02<Riteo>an hdmi out and a jack out
18:02<Riteo>the jack out i use is the front oe
18:02<Riteo>one
18:03<Riteo>on windows it works flawlessly, the status on pavucontrol is set, i don't know why with debian it doesn't work
18:03<bit_flipper>front jack on what? the computer case or the speaker system?
18:03<Riteo>oh sorry, the case
18:03<Riteo>i didn't specify it
18:04<bit_flipper>is your speaker system stand-alone or built into the monitor?
18:04<Riteo>it's built into the monitor
18:04<Riteo>i have a dual screen setup
18:04<Riteo>i use two HDMIs and one is for the second one, with the speakers
18:05<Riteo>it has an NVidia video card, to use the dual monitor i had to download the non-free drivers(i would sincerely have preferred to not use them but since i got also this problem i decided to install them)
18:06<Riteo>also got*
18:06<bit_flipper>try plugging in your headphones into the monitor with the speakers. the speakers should switch off
18:07<Riteo>oh well, it works
18:08<bit_flipper>what works?
18:08<Riteo>i would have preferred to use my pc's audio card, but if this is the only choice, i'll use this
18:08<Riteo>the monitor's card
18:09<bit_flipper>do the speakers switch off when you plug the headphones into the monitor?
18:09<Riteo>yes
18:09<Riteo>but still i'm wondering why with windows it works without problems
18:09<Riteo>and pavucontrol reports some changes
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18:16<Riteo>well, i think this is enough for now, at least now i have something i can use without manual setting
18:16<Riteo>and i can keeep it like this
18:16<Riteo>thanks a lot
18:16<bit_flipper>If you want to use your pc's audio card for headphones, you will need to manually mute the sound from the speakers, perhaps by turning the volume down on the speakers
18:16<bit_flipper>if you don't want to diddle with the configuration every time
18:17<Riteo>yeah, but i think this is good, my only question is why pulseaudio won't switch, it detects everything and also asks me to save the settings!
18:18<blast007>the problem is likely that when you unplug the front headphones, the audio device doesn't completely disappear - it just switches to the rear audio output
18:18<blast007>it *might* auto switch if you had USB headphones, or more likely would work if you had speakers plugged into the rear audio jack on your computer
18:18<Riteo>ohhhhhhh, now i think i'm understanding
18:18<Riteo>maybe the drivers or the logic itself might not work totally with hdmi
18:19<Riteo>thanks a lot
18:19<blast007>the HDMI audio is done through the video card, not the onboard motherboard audio, so it's completely separate devices
18:19<Riteo>ohh, now i understand
18:19<Riteo>thanks a lot
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18:21<blast007>Just tested unplugging my USB headphones here (with Gnome) and it auto switched to the onboard sound card, but it didn't switch back to USB when I plugged them back in. But I also don't have any device priority setting like it sounds like KDE has.
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18:24<scientes>how do i record both my mic and what is coming out of my headphones?
18:24<scientes>I am trying to record a Google Voice call (via Firefox)
18:24<Riteo>interesting, i think i will test tomorrow, thanks a lot. Now i need to go. Bye
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20:35<ryblade>i'm trying to find out why i don't have an /etc/aliases file. my partner's installation has one, all set up and with an alias to her username. could something i installed have removed it?
20:37<ryblade>the only mail-related things i've installed are msmtp, msmtp-mta, getmail4, procmail and mutt. her installation is very fresh, just installed a few hours ago, all she's installed to my knowledge is xfce4.
20:38<ryblade>oh and smartmontools + smart-notifier, but i have those, too.
20:42<ryblade>the only other big difference between my system and hers is mine is 64bit, hers is 32bit. other than that, both are running debian 9.
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20:55<mnuhmnuh>ryblade: look into msmtp, msmtp-mta; perhaps they don't use aliases. some (postfix?) don't, some (exim) do.
20:56<ryblade>exim, huh... yeah, i actually just noticed that was pulled in by smart-notifier, on the 32bit system, but not on the 64bit system. could have been that, then.
20:56<mnuhmnuh>ryblade: what's your partner have for smtp?
20:57<ryblade>she just uses thunderbird for all her mail stuff so she didn't set up anything specific.
20:59<ryblade>in any case, the reason why i ask is because i want SMART to notify me if there's trouble.
21:03<ryblade>it seems msmtp does use aliases, but i'm not sure if it uses /etc/aliases in particular.
21:06<ryblade>anyway, i guess i'll just create the /etc/aliases file, put 'root: ryblade' in there and hope for the best.
21:06<ryblade>there's some other defaults in my partner's /etc/aliases but i don't think i'll need any of them, i'm not running an outward-facing mail server or anything.
21:08<ryblade>thanks though, i thought it was a bigger deal that it was missing, i suppose it isn't.
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