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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-12-12

---Logopened Wed Dec 12 00:00:24 2018
---Daychanged Wed Dec 12 2018
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01:16<cpaelzer>bzed: yeah the profile can be licensed as needed, I'm ok to re-license it under BSD-3-clause
01:17-!-ach [~spooky@ipb218f20c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has left #debian [Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is]
01:21<cpaelzer>bzed: and yes gpsd is usually only a symlink today and for now it will be covered via the rules that cover the usual targets of that
01:21<cpaelzer>bzed: but there is no guarantee that no one did implement it as mknod which would need that rule
01:22<cpaelzer>lesson learned from the past, programs often think "this was a link I accessed before so I can as well use the same path for a file" and such rule in advance helps to not break on it immediately
01:22<cpaelzer>and the path in this example looks rather safe IMHO
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05:17<bzed>cpaelzer: no, its /dev/gps[0-9]+, not /dev/gpsd... (or I'm blind and fail to parse the udev rule)
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05:52<cpaelzer>bzed: in the code is only /dev/gpsd0
05:52<cpaelzer>but for the sake of compatibility the rule is for [0-9]+
05:53<cpaelzer>matching #define MAGIC_LINK_GPS "/dev/gpsd0"
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11:43<synthet>Hi. I need to create a debian installer image from stable but with the backport kernel from testing. I already have a preseed.cfg, but it needs to be both UEFI bootable (target system) and DOS bootable (testing on VM). Debian creates installer images regularly and they just work - where can I find how these images are created?
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11:45<itd>synthet: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build
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11:52<synthet>idt: Thanks - I tried that route before but it failed to build anything. I will retry and see where it gets stuck
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12:07<synthet>itd: When I try to build as per the instructions I get "Unable to locate package acpi-modules-4.18.0-0-amd64-di" - any idea how to move forward?
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12:13<_kab>Are there any official guidelines on usage of deb.debian.org vs. ftp.[.cc-tld]debian.org?
12:14<_kab>Outside of older versions of apt not being supported I don't see any downsides and actually a benefit: A more consistent setup on the mirror side
12:16<_kab>We're (rarely) encountering issues with HTTP pipelining. A possible explanation could be a caching proxy on the mirror side. We discussed switching over before, but this might actually be a good reason
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12:17<_kab>The wiki doesn't suggest any disadvantages, but of course I want to make sure before switching over 4k machines
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12:21<petn-randall>!deb.debian.org
12:21<dpkg>deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details.
12:21<petn-randall>_kab: deb.debian.org is a CDN that cycles out broken mirrors. So in theory you should have a higher reliability on it.
12:22<petn-randall>That being said, I haven't had any issues with it yet.
12:24<jmux>synthet: "However, in some cases it may be necessary to create a sources.list.udeb.local." My guess: you need to do this, so the script finds the packages.
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12:28<_kab>petn-randall: Yeah I knew what it is. It's just the matter of larger deployments
12:29<_kab>I do appreciate the information on broken mirros and your experience though
12:29<petn-randall>_kab: Do a rolling deployment if you're paranoid, but I don't expect anything to change.
12:29<petn-randall>well, anything interesting to happen.
12:32<itd>synthet: I'm guessing you want to set DEBIAN_RELEASE and USE_UDEBS_FROM. (Looks like sid is the default, which is not what you want.)
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12:43<synthet>itd: So the LINUX_KERNEL_ABI needed a ".bpo.1" appended to it - I found that out by scanning the Packages.gz file...
12:44<synthet>itd: It downloaded a bunch of packages and now says: Needed libnewt0.52 not found (looked in apt.udeb/cache/archives/, debugudebs/)
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12:49<synthet>itd: Looking at the mirror, I see debs for libnewt0.52 but no udebs - is this the cause of that problem?
12:51<itd>synthet: Not sure, but I don't think so. (Those packages always end with -di, AFAIK.) Did you see the warning in build/README that suggests to use "apt-get source debian-installer" on/for stable?
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12:52<itd>synthet: not sure if you'll receive user support there, but you could try to ask #debian-boot
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12:56<iStrive>I having a weird behavior in Debian Stretch, after the latest update the ethernet card is reporting ens5: hw chsum failure at boot and my connection is very unstable from that point on! what should I do?
12:57<iStrive>sorry, the correct message in the journalctl is ens5: hw csum failure...
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13:00<petn-randall>iStrive: Latest update of what exactly?
13:01<iStrive>system update, apt update / apt upgrade
13:02<iStrive>I'm currently using 4.9.0.9-amd64 SMP Deian 4.9.130-2
13:02<petn-randall>iStrive: /var/log/apt/history.log will tell you what exactly you updated.
13:05<iStrive>it's mustly php7 stuff, but somehow it started conflicting with my ethernec connection
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13:07<iStrive>my cifs mounts works upon boot, but shortly after trying to copy content out of it to an USB flash drive it reports E: File read error, then the connection to the shared folder is lost, cant even ls the folder (path /mnt/share/content)
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13:12<iStrive>I have two nas drives (both WD) one linux based (WD ShareSpace) and the other Windows (WD Sentinel [Server 2008 R2]), both mounted with CIFS, I cant make the fstab to properly mount the NTFS for the Windows Share, is this the cause of my problem? CIFS on Win Serv has some SMB issues (researched
13:12<iStrive>online about it), but how to fix the NTFS mound?
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13:36<sqrt{not}>iStrive: are you saying that the CIFS problems also just started after your latest upgrade, same time the ethernet problems started ?
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13:51<synthet>itd: Thanks - I'm chatting with the debian-boot folks now
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14:45<daurnimator>Is there info around on "reserved" uids/gids?
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14:59<grove>daurnimator: What kind of information do you seek, and what kind of reservation do you talk about
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15:03<daurnimator>grove: I'm thinking about istio, and how it "reserves" port 1337
15:03<daurnimator>uh not port, uid
15:03<daurnimator>and that it needs to not conflict with *any* distro
15:04<daurnimator>How does debian make sure that uid 1337 doesn't get used by anyone? (I'm pretty sure it doesn't). and how *should* that work
15:05<grove>daurnimator: I've never heard of istio, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't reserved uid 1337 in any official way. I'm also pretty sure there are places that use debian and have assigned uid 1337 to some ordinary user
15:05<daurnimator>grove: right, so that seems very problematic!
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15:12<grove>It might be a problem for that program if it's really poorly coded and assumes it will always have uid 1337 for itself
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15:15<daurnimator>grove: it uses uid 1337 to detect itself in iptables rules
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15:16<daurnimator>where that iptables rule is shared across *multiple* running containers (in the same network namespace)
15:16<grove>A program making that kind of assumptions would make me look for alternatives, I simply wouldn't like maintaining something making assumptions that silly. And it would probably never get packaged for any distribution having sane rules for uid usage
15:16<watchcat>that's istio's problem, not linux's.
15:17<daurnimator>watchcat: essentially it's the sysadmin's proble,
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15:17<watchcat>a good sysadmin wouldn't i stall it, then. problem solved.
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15:18<daurnimator>it's hugely popular.... and becoming almost "standard" in most corps
15:18<localhorst>What's the recommend apt-ish tool in stable? apt, apt-get, aptitude or another one?
15:19<daurnimator>localhorst: for scripts to use or for a human?
15:19<watchcat>so is windows, for similar reasons.
15:19<grove>Debian policy (section 9.2.2) talks a little about reserved uids on Debian systems. I'm sure many other distributions have rules, and that what you say istio does would be a problem with almost every distribution
15:20<daurnimator>localhorst: apt is recommended for humans. apt-get/apt-cache/etc are recommended for automation/scripts.
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15:20<localhorst>Thank you. I'm interested in both ways if there's an actual difference.
15:21<daurnimator>localhorst: apt is essentially nicer to use. however the output/flags are not yet "standardised" to make it useful for scripts/
15:21<localhorst>So mixing them is OK I guess?
15:22<daurnimator>localhorst: yep
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15:22<grove>daurnimator: As I said I had never having heard of it, and now having learned it does something that stupid I seriously doubt it's becoming a "standard" in any way. It also sounds quite superflorous, I guess the company I work for is far from the only one that has tooling that could do that
15:25<daurnimator>grove: https://github.com/istio/istio.io/blob/master/content/docs/setup/kubernetes/spec-requirements/index.md#L32 see last line
15:28<grove>daurnimator: A reason to avoid that particular piece of cra^H^H^Hsoftware
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16:02<daurnimator>grove: so looks like to match debian policy they should be using something in 60000-64999 range.
16:02<daurnimator>how do you get an allocation in that range?
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16:09<bzed>cpaelzer: please change the appmor license then. gpsd was uploaded to experimental, waiting in NEW now
16:09<bzed>cpaelzer: and I think I'll move the git to salsa so I can create some pipelines to rebuild all dependencies
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16:15<somiaj>daurnimator: is this a package you are making for debian? You may want to write a patch that better handels what uid is used in debian (and key it to a name rather than a number, though there are alist or reserved uid's in debian)
16:15<daurnimator>somiaj: no. it runs outside of debian
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16:16<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html -- There is the debian policy on uid's (9.2.2)
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16:17<daurnimator>somiaj: yes I saw that. "Globally allocated by the Debian project, but only created on demand." => how can I make that happen?
16:17<somiaj>Unless you have manually added 337 users, you could just use the 1337 one, users uids start at 1000 and work up when users are added with adduser. Though in your network, you may have another way you can assign uid's and not let adduser just pick one, to ensure 1337 doens't get used.
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17:54<choumat>hi, i'm looking for assistance as my debian-stretch boot does not support my gpu
17:54<choumat>where should i find some?
17:55<Brigo>choumat, what gpu is that?
17:55<choumat>nvidia geforce gtx960m
17:56<choumat>in fact, i'm stuck at driver installation, bc of a package nvidia-legacy-check
17:56<Brigo>choumat, is that a laptop?
17:56<choumat>yep, from msi
17:57<Brigo>choumat, there is a wiki about that, you can try it: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus
17:58<choumat>oh thx Brigo
17:59<Brigo>choumat, good luck
18:00<choumat>^^'
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