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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-12-13

---Logopened Thu Dec 13 00:00:35 2018
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00:09-!-carnil is "Salvatore Bonaccorso" on #debian #debian-lts #debian-devel-changes #debian-alpha #debian-gnupg #debian-perl
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01:51<cpaelzer>bzed: I opened a PR with the relicensing
01:52<cpaelzer>I didn't add an Author statement, let me know if you need or even just prefer one to be added
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08:15<EmleyMoor>One of my systems, which is a satellite for mail purposes, sometimes produces very big logcheck mails that fail to be delivered due to size. What do I adjust and how in order to make them get through? (mainly so I can adjust the filtering of the logs)
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08:34<itd>EmleyMoor: Maybe try MAILASATTACH=2 (send a gzip mail attachment)?
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09:46<EmleyMoor>itd: Where?
09:47<itd>EmleyMoor: In logcheck's configuration.
09:47<EmleyMoor>Yes, just found. Will see if it helps
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16:52<Dkeagle>Hey everyone, i'd like to know if it's possible to change de command behind the lock button in the top-right menu ? (Debian 9 Stretch - Gnome)
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18:31<quarkstone>Hey everyone, just considering switching to Debian from Fedora/RH.. But I couldn't find a simple answer on vast ocean of Debian docs on how package updates work after stable. Does Debian try to follow semver in any way? Do minor/patch versions still get upgraded, or are they frozen as well, with only security updates?
18:32<quarkstone>Debian does say only bugfixes are accepted, but what defines a bugfix, and who decides it?
18:35<Brigo>quarkstone, semver?
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18:36<Brigo>quarkstone, patchs are only allowed for bug fixes, but you have backports too.
18:37<quarkstone>Brigo, please forget the "semver" remark. I suppose I just too keen to know if there's any discussions involving sematic versioning. But I suppose that's a pipe dream as far as a distribution is concerned.
18:38<quarkstone>So, who decided what's a patch? The package owner?
18:39<quarkstone>And also, regarding minor feature updates, how do the backports work exactly? How and by who's decision do they get forked into the backports repo from testing?
18:39<Brigo>quarkstone, when you report a bug against a package tha maintainer send it to the source maintainer for patching it.
18:41<quarkstone>Brigo: Ah, so unless a bug is filed in the debian bug tracker, minor patch/bugfix versions will get never be accepted into Debian?
18:41<Brigo>quarkstone, about backports first it is not always possible but most of the time is. As almost everything in Debian the "do yourself" politics applies.
18:42<Brigo>"do it yourself" better. :)
18:42<Brigo>quarkstone, about patches, it is a package maintainer decision/problem.
18:44<quarkstone>Regarding backpors, am I correct in understanding then, the package owner/maintainer is the one who controls, if my updates go into backports repo of a stable release or just stay in testing for the next stable freeze.. ?
18:44<Brigo>quarkstone, no, you control it. You have to choose if you are in stable, testing, etc.
18:45<Brigo>If you are in stable you have backports availabe for some packages, but you have to install it explicity, it won't update automatically from stasble to stable-backports.
18:46<quarkstone>Brigo: I'm a bit confused.. Let's say I'm the owner of package X. And say for the sake of this, I'm also the deb maintainer.
18:46<quarkstone>Now I release v0 which has made it's way to stable
18:46<quarkstone>Now, I have a minor feature update, say v1.
18:46<quarkstone>But I decide that it doesn't break anything, so I want it to go on backports.
18:47<quarkstone>So, I put it into unstable first..
18:47<Brigo>quarkstone, you can't decide it.
18:47<quarkstone>Moves to testing..
18:47<quarkstone>Now from testing, how does it work for backports?
18:48<Brigo>quarkstone, someone (the package maintainer ideally) has to make the backport and put it available in the stable-backports repository
18:49<Brigo>but the new program version will get in unestable automatically without the package owner intervention.
18:50<quarkstone>So, here in the release life-cycle, once in testing.. the package maintainer has to explicity add this into stable-backports?
18:50<Brigo>yes
18:50<quarkstone>Got it. And bugfixes, follow the same route, as well, yes?
18:51<quarkstone>Regardless of there's an explicit issue on the bugtracker or not..
18:51<Brigo>no, you can add a patch to a program in stable and update it without put it in unestable.
18:51<Brigo>only for fixing bugs.
18:51<Brigo>and security, of course.
18:52<Brigo>the difference betwen debian 9.0 and debian 9.6 is a lot of bug fixed.
18:52<quarkstone>Ah.. I think I get it now..
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18:53<quarkstone>Thank you for the bearing with me, and all the detailed explanations :)
18:53<Brigo>some times a new version in some program is allowed when the bug it fixes worth the change
18:53<Brigo>quarkstone, np :)
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18:54<quarkstone>Just one quick in the context of a package creator though --- I usually develop in rust.. which follows semver. So, in order for me to be able to send bugfixes.. I have to manually create a "patch" file, for each of those patch versions?
18:55<quarkstone>As, in I can't just mark a full package as patch, and call it a day?
18:56<Brigo>quarkstone, i think you can, but i am not sure. Development is not my thing. The channel debian-mentors has a lot of wise people you can ask.
18:57<quarkstone>Okay, got it. Thanks again Brigo: for the all the pointers :)
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18:57<Brigo>quarkstone, np :)
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21:08<octa>Does anyone know how I go about getting glx-alternative-nvidia 0.9+? It's required by experimental nvidia-driver, but the latest version in the repo is 0.8.8 in unstable.
21:10<octa>I assume the (experimental) 410 version of nvidia-driver is just incomplete and unusable right now, but it seemed good to check here if there's a way to get a newer glx-alternative-nvidia. <3
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