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01:14<cpaelzer>bzed: that is unfortunate - do at least the few examples of a working rebuild show that the fix works with old&new version?
01:15<cpaelzer>so can we fix it one by one staying at 3.17 for now
01:15<cpaelzer>to later on bump gpsd and then rebuild all?
01:18<cpaelzer>bzed: if you do the mass bug filing let me know the list, I can try to look into some of them as time permits
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01:51<grove>WoC: subversion is still in Debian (stable at least, haven't bothered checking testing/unstable but I guess it's there, it's probably far from obscure enough not to be maintained), package is called (surprise, surprise) subversion
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03:04<shadow42085>I need to download multiple files of 1 type from a site for a project using wget
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05:10<furrymcgee>what package is /bin/su in stretch?
05:12<Anarka>util-linux: /bin/su
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05:15<furrymcgee>q
05:15<furrymcgee>q
05:15<furrymcgee>ok
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05:21<furrymcgee>why I cant find it https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/util-linux/filelist
05:25<petn-randall>furrymcgee: 'apt-file search -F /bin/su' will tell you the package, and it's not util-linux.
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05:27<bzed>cpaelzer: gps.h defines its api version, its no problem to have code that is compatible with all version. right now I'm trying to figure out what the change actually needs/does. Since esr is doing ntp stuff only, the code and documentation quality of gpsd is not as good as it was.
05:29<Anarka>apt-file search -F /bin/su gives me both login and util-linux, dpkg -S only util-linux
05:30<codingquark>Does Debian provide a version of firefox that is stripped of the parts that phone home and do other unnecessary things?
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05:37<itd>Anarka: apt-file lists all packages known containing that file; dpkg queries only installed packages
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05:38<Anarka>yep, i know but im using sid and thats probably why i get diff results, no worries
05:38<jm_>codingquark: the wiki page has some notes on that -- https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox
05:41<codingquark>jm_: thanks! That page seems to be having good starting point info
05:44<EmleyMoor>Molly just spent another few seconds outside - this time without my help
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Erk, wrong window... now I do have something for here
06:38<codingquark>I felt I should not inquire, an outsider may not be welcome :-P
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06:43<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to filter out some messages from logcheck mails from one of my machines, but having trouble finding an expression that works. I know I need it to start "^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ asterisk\[[[:digit:]]{2,5}\]: ", but thereafter I want it to match < followed by anything - and thereby exclude these messages from the file. I can't work out what to write to make it work
06:48<jm_>are you saying that's not specific enough?
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06:50<EmleyMoor>jm_: That would filter *all* messages from asterisk out. I only want to filter out the ones that begin with <
06:51<jm_>EmleyMoor: just add < at the end then?
06:52<EmleyMoor>jm_: I'll try it but I'm sure I've tried it before and found it worked for an hour
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07:10<EmleyMoor>Just one further query - if I made it a more specific expression, is there a way to say "filter out the next two lines as well"?
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10:20<svki_0001>Hi. I currently have to make an expert survey for a student project about open source development. I thought this channel might be in the right place to find experienced developers. Would it be ok to drop the google form link here?
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10:21<ach>!mentors
10:21<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
10:22<ach>nah but just i think it's ok but it's support not developement
10:24<svki_0001>The survey is about participating as beginner in open source. So, I guess it could be fine.
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10:28<ach>as long no computers got stolen by the trojaner police. but fine.
10:32<svki_0001>No bad stuff, I promise: https://goo.gl/forms/gyXjytXesplpIrn83
10:32<svki_0001>Would be really thankful.
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10:53<itd>svki_0001: re alternatives for google forms, e.g.: https://alternativeto.net/software/google-forms/?license=opensource&platform=self-hosted ; not sure if those suite your needs.
10:55<svki_0001>I will have a look. Thanks.
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12:59<freanki>Hey, ssh-add -l shows me two old keys which are in none of the default locations and I have no idea where they are from... When I delete all identities they don't get deleted. After a restart they are still there. It's a problem since some devices disconnect me after 3 unsuccessful login attempts. Someone has an idea?
13:00<freanki>Any help is appreciated since I can't find a solution for weeks now :(
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13:02<ais-admin>you can edit the authorized_keys file by hand to remove them, but that won't help you with your unsuccessful login attempts. Thats a different problem.
13:03<freanki>those keys are in none of my authorized_keys files anymore =)
13:03<freanki>Furthermore I can't find those two private and/or public files
13:04<freanki>files = keys
13:05<blast007>freanki: are you using Gnome?
13:06<freanki>blast007: no, i3
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13:08<blast007>and the keys are not in your ~/.ssh/ directory?
13:09<freanki>no, they are not
13:10<ais-admin>ssh-add -D will clear out all you keys from the ssh agent - you can start over at that point
13:10<freanki>it's three ED25519 fingerprints. I guess two old ones and the one I am using now
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13:12<freanki>ais-admin: diff <(ssh-add -l) <(ssh-add -D && ssh-add -l)
13:12<freanki>All identities removed.
13:12<freanki>No other diff... Before and afterwoods the output is really the same
13:12<ais-admin>also check your /tmp dir for any subdirs that start with ssh
13:13<freanki>there is only the pid of the agent :/
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13:14<ais-admin>out of ideas - sorry
13:14<freanki>I guess it's time for a bug report :/
13:17<blast007>is the gnome-keyring-daemon package installed on your computer? cuz I did find a bug that sounds similar to your issue, but it was related to gnome-keyring-daemon
13:18<freanki>blast007: gnome-keyring is indeed installed
13:18<blast007>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472477
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13:25<freanki>it looks a bit like that... I deinstalled gnome-keyring, killed the daemon, killed all other daemons (i.e. gpg) but no help :/
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13:27<freanki>though I think the gnome-keyring got only installed when I installed seahorse for futher investigation of my bug
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13:50<freanki>Does anybody know how specifically connect to a machine via a ssh-key from a gpg-smartcard? An option like identityfile but for fingerprints or other destinations
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14:11<freanki>anyway, thanks for your help! l8r
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18:26<pgimeno>How do I backup the database that gets updated with apt-get update?
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18:33<furrymcgee>/var/lib/apt/lists contains files with packages and sources
18:36<pgimeno>thanks, so if I want to do a temporary apt-get update and roll it back later, can I e.g. make a copy and then copy the old one back?
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18:41<furrymcgee>yes but make a backup just in case
18:43<pgimeno>thanks
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19:32<user01>why isn't the keyboard configuration dialogue during install the same as dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration?
19:33<user01>i always seem to need to run that after install to get the options I want
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21:01<lhvf>Hi, to all! I've been experiencing problems with HDD mount, and need help to remount a filesystem on my PC. Someone is available to help here for now?
21:03<lhvf>*If I insist to mount in the wrong mount point (mistake of the OS because there are two HDD with boot flag, or my brother are kidding here, for prejudice me).
21:04<lhvf>*the auto-write will damage windows partition, in something. I want to learn with this case at the moment. Plugging and unplugging the HDD resolved superficially the problem.
21:06<lhvf>Someone is available to help, at the moment? This may be a very practical to resolve problem.
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21:19<lhvf>Hello again. Remote host closed, without no notice on WebChat. Is there someone available here at the moment? Read previous messages.
21:20<lhvf>*Hi, to all! I've been experiencing problems with HDD mount, and need help to remount a filesystem on my PC. Someone is available to help here for now?
21:21<lhvf>The my need, is to unmoint a mount point, and mount on the correct mount point, for don't cause damages on my Windows 7 installed partition (if it not occured already).
21:22<lhvf>*unmount a mount point
21:31<lhvf>annadane, are you available to help?
21:34<awal1>ask!
21:35<awal1>!ask
21:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:36<lhvf>Oh, right! How can I unmount a mistakely mounted partition (bigger) on the overwritten mount pint, and mount it on the correct place, the same as the partition (/dev/sdb1 is mounted on /dev/sda1)?
21:37<lhvf>*mount point
21:38<lhvf>It's the now EOL Debian 7.11 GNU/Linux, but the problems remains as being from Debian related. It's not Stable, I know this.
21:39<lhvf>How can I easyly fix this mistake (maybe my brother does this, kidding, for prejudice me). Maybe nothing was overwritted.
21:39<lhvf>?
21:41<lhvf>There are two HDDs with noot flag. Or Debian confused the partition to the wrong one, or the my brother altered the fstab file, for the damages goes to occur (what I believe that doesn't occured).
21:41<lhvf>*boot flag
21:41<lhvf>Only the mount point is wrong. How can may fix this issues?
21:42<lhvf>How can I may fix these issues?
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21:44<lhvf>Any output for commands is needed to investigate the problem? I could provide a screenshot illustrating the problem for now.
21:45<awal1>lhvf, if you don't get an answer , means= no body knows, people are busy and so. just ask later or use mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org
21:46<awal1>you see many people connected but that doesn't mean they are all online. you know, different time zones...
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21:46<awal1>also you can try asking in #debian on freenode server
21:46<awal1>now you in oftc server
21:48<lhvf>The /dev/sdb1 is mounted under the /dev/sda1. This might not be common to occur. I've register in Freenoed to Unofficial Debian Chat Room, and ##debian, but on Smartphone with Riot Android App Mobile Client.
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21:48<unfo>lhvf: Hi! Do you have easy access to a tablet, or -- better yet -- a computer?
21:50<lhvf>Yes. I'm writting these phrases with a computer. I'm not on Smartphone. I don't meant it. I mean that if nobody is available, I've another options on Smartphone parallely.
21:51<unfo>lhvf: Ah OK good.
21:51<unfo>lhvf: In general, Freenode #debian is much bigger and busier, so you may get answers more quickly.
21:51<lhvf>The Freenode and Matrix.org Unofficial Chat Rooms, I mean, actually.
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21:53<lhvf>Is not someone available here at the moment, then, I guess.
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21:56<lhvf>I'll quit, to dinner. I'll try again the Support by the Smartphone, because there, according that you unfo said, there are more people involved onm Freenode (##debian), and the answers will be more quickier.
21:56<unfo>lhvf: good!
21:56<blast007>!uuid
21:56<dpkg>A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
21:58<lhvf>Do you see the needed of blkid, with 'termbin' output, for you analyse the my case?
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22:00<blast007>lhvf: just sounds like it's something that would avoid this issue in the future
22:00<blast007>is the partition mounted with the wrong file system or something, or is it just at the wrong mount point?
22:01<lhvf>I only did the following command: 'umount /media/sda1/ -l' but the problems still remains, to auto-mounting in wrong point after a Reboot.
22:02<lhvf>Its a wrong point. I'll provide two Snapshots.
22:03<lhvf>fstab file, maybe was touched by my brother, kidding with me, Or the two HDD with boot flag (the second bigger clonned), did the mistake on OS auto-mounting on boot.
22:06<lhvf>I guess the problem is that the mount point seems like that (GParted /dev/sdb1 is mounted as /dev/sda1), nothing else more. I openned this wrong mount time only a singfe time. Now unmounting, GParted doesn't show it for a while, But after a reboot, does.
22:08<lhvf>If unplugg the bigger one SATA HDD, the mount point goes correct. But if the HDD are connected at the same time, the problems start to occur.
22:08<lhvf>*the two HDD
22:09<lhvf>On this scenario, the original '/dev/sda1' is not mounted anymore.
22:09<blast007>does your /etc/fstab use UUIDs or stuff like /dev/sda1?
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22:10<lhvf>I'll see. Wait some seconds. Please ask the 'termbin' output to facilitate the problem illustration.
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22:11<lhvf>The fstab file uses UUID.
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22:13<blast007>then verify they are the correct ones. check the output of blkid.
22:14<lhvf>http://termbin.com/x0ju
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22:16<lhvf>What is the mount point to the /dev/sdb1 on the correct place? I mean under a partition that doesn't will overwrittes the '/dev/sda1', as maybe be occuring.
22:16<blast007>so what exactly is the problem? just the fact that the drive shows up as sdb but it getting mounted as sda?
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22:17<lhvf>blast007: Yes, I guess. I want the /dev/sdb1, mounted on some other mount point. But I don't know to do this properly.
22:17<lhvf>*how to do this properly.
22:17<blast007>so.. change your fstab? I don't understand the issue
22:18<lhvf>After a Reboot, the OS maybe is insisting in mount /dev/sdb1 under /dev/sda1, not letting the used HDD to mount the correct Windows 7 partition.
22:19<blast007>maybe?
22:19<blast007>the sdX names can change, so that's not a good name for your mount points anyway
22:19<lhvf>The other HDD is only a cloned HDD, is secondary, doesn't (or actually not should be used as default, but it is doing).
22:20<lhvf>Can you detect in some configuration file the trace of the wrong mount point, to it be eliminated?
22:22<lhvf>I still guessing that it was a kidding of my brother, using Ubuntu to alter some configuration file, and make this mess.
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22:23<blast007>run blkid as root to see the UUIDs, and then verify your fstab is mounting the correct partitions at the correct mountpoint
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22:27<lhvf>http://termbin.com/1pb7
22:28<lhvf>How can I might discover the correct UUID of the cloned partition? Or Clonezilla does this mess, clonning also the UUID?
22:29<blast007>I don't know if cloning copies the UUID
22:29<lhvf>I now guess that I need to alter the UUID, because Clonezilla copied this also, maybe.
22:30<blast007>sounds like cloning does keep the same UUID
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22:31<lhvf>The Windows 7 will ask to Repair the Partition, and so then will alter the UUID?
22:32<lhvf>I'll perform a "in-place Upgrade" on this Windows 7 cloned partition (2TB against the 1TB original), and something will be altered.
22:33<lhvf>*It's only a guess mine.
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22:37<lhvf>So, the recommendation here, is to avoid to plug the two HDDs at the same time, because the Windows 7 Acitivation problem (the ms bother with these things, and my Windows 7 is genuine)?
22:40<lhvf>I was to be using the GParted Live, but the Activation problem makes me stay with the Clonezilla solution.
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22:44-!-twb is "Trent W. Buck" on #debian #debian-au
22:45<twb>I have a Seagate USB3 HDD at a remote site. It's not working reliably. After eliminating more likely things (e.g. hardware faults), I've fallen back to trying to disable UAS (USB attached SCSI).
22:45<twb>I have physical access to another system that uses UAS by default, I'm trying to disable UAS there, and failing.
22:45<twb>My reference is https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:USB_3.0_Hard_Drive_troubleshooting
22:46<lhvf>blast007: Any thoughts?
22:46<blast007>no
22:47<twb>I tried "options usb-storage quirks=u" and "options usb-storage quirks=0bc2:231a=u" in /etc/modprobe.d/uas.conf, doing a "sudo update-initramfs -u -k all" and a reboot in between
22:47<twb>In all cases, "lsusb -t" continues to report Driver=uas
22:47<lhvf>blast007: The only remaining task, is to resize the Debian partition of the cloned SATA3 HDD to be smaller, and the windows 7 to be bigger. resize2fs and ntfsresize will do the work.
22:47<twb>What am I doing wrong?
22:48<lhvf>I don't experience with this, and should do it on LiveDVD Session, for don't make mistakes,
22:48<lhvf>*don't have
22:50<lhvf>Actually, I need to make the Debian with the same size as the original partition, and resize the NTFS partition to be bigger as the whole possible partition size available.
22:50<lhvf>*Clonezilla make all proportional to the new HDD size, dloubling the windows 7 and Linux partitions in size.
22:51<lhvf>*doubling
22:52<lhvf>Tomorroy I'll be back, on LiveDVD Debian Live Session, to ask help with the (maybe?) easy resize2fs and ntfsresize commands.
22:52<lhvf>*Tomorrow
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22:55<lhvf>blast007: The 'swap' partition is easy to resize?
22:55<twb>aha, the last test I did actually worked
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22:59<walking>hi folk what vmlinux flag should i use to boot into text console, instead of a broken X
23:01<twb>walking: I don't know how to do that anymore, but adding "rescue" will do more than that
23:01<twb>I think to start everything EXCEPT X, you have to do something complicated like systemd.default-target=multi-user.target
23:02<walking>yeah, downside of the rescure console is that, i cant get network manager up working, i can only see loopback interface, but i need network for apt install
23:04<walking>oh, yeah. i remeber its these keywords , mutiuser target. any idea, how should i do that?
23:05<twb>systemd.directives says man 7 kernel-command-line 7 bootup
23:06<twb>but kernel-command-line(7) isn't in debian AFAICT
23:07<twb>Ah, I think it must be systemd.unit=multi-user.target
23:13<lhvf>Thanks for the assistance. During this week I'll be back to ask help with reparitiotioning/resizing with resize2fs / ntfsresize command, when possible, and I get free time. Bye ;)
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