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---Logopened Tue Dec 18 00:00:42 2018
00:10-!-hekatei [~hekatei@200116b8262f4600264440a32f168eea.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #debian
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00:19<voltagex>any idea what would be making mutt hang on quit? How would I go about debugging this?
00:20<dondelelcaro>voltagex: are you sure it's hanging? it might be writing the index to disk
00:20<twb>voltagex: are you using imap or maildir or what
00:20<dondelelcaro>voltagex: anyway, best way to debug is to attach strace or gdb to it and see what it's doing
00:21<twb>dondelelcaro: before that even, I'd look at top/ps and see if it's in D state or 100% CPU
00:25<voltagex>twb: IMAP and an old GMail config that I can't remember anything about but don't want to touch because it works...ish
00:26<twb>it might be trying to move all the mail from inbox into read or something
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00:26<twb>it should ask if you want to do that, these days
00:26<twb>(mutt can't actually do an IMAP move, so it has to download the entire message, re-upload it to a new folder, then mark it for deletion in the original folder)
00:27<voltagex>...damnit.
00:27<voltagex>twb: "D state"?
00:27<twb>unlikely in this case
00:27<twb>"D" means the process is waiting for the kernel to return control from a syscall
00:28<twb>most typically, waiting for the something to be written to the hard disk ("D" for "disk")
00:28<twb>as opposed to "R" (running) or "S" (sleeping)
00:31<voltagex>S+, twb
00:31<voltagex>not using any CPU according to htop
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00:34<twb>if it's mostly waiting for gmail to answer it, that makes sense
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00:44<voltagex>ah, went afk and came back and it's gone, so you are probably right
00:44<voltagex>but it shouldn't be locking up, I should get some kind of "Connecting to imap.gmail.com" status. Don't tell me mutt is single threaded.
00:46<voltagex>sigh. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=105030
00:48<twb>of course mutt is single-threaded
00:48<twb>mutt's dumb as bricks
00:49<voltagex>yeah...but it's the most distraction-free email reader I've found, and it works with reportbug
00:49<voltagex>maybe I'll just trim the config down to use it to send mail, and use something else to read it.
00:49<twb>voltagex: if you JUST want reportbug to be able to send mail, use msmtp
00:50<voltagex>twb: eh, idk what I want. I want to not sysadmin my own box so much, but that's not going to happen.
00:50<twb>msmtp-mta is what I use to get emails from unattended servers into gmail
00:52<voltagex>I'm tempted to script something over SSH so I don't have to fling credentials everywhere
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00:55<voltagex>apparently neomutt is a thing
01:00<voltagex>dondelcaro: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PLCsT135/
01:00<voltagex>dondelelcaro I meant.
01:00<voltagex>so it's just...waiting.
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01:07<voltagex>pabs: created bug 916741 btw
01:08<twb>that seems to be saying it was waiting for input
01:09<voltagex>twb: no idea, it wasn't asking for any
01:09<voltagex>or at least, the screen hadn't updated
01:10<voltagex>heh, neomutt doesn't have this problem
01:10<twb>my (wild-ass) guess is you did something like foo | mutt
01:10<twb>so mutt wasn't properly connected to a tty
01:12<voltagex>oh, no I see it now
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01:12<voltagex>but the backtrace literally has emails from 2016 in it
01:15<voltagex>twb: there's something I've never seen in a backtrace before https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rS4JuzBk/
01:16<twb>Those are IMAP queries and answers
01:16<twb>I'm pretty sure that's mutt trying to download the message
01:16<voltagex>blah, even if it does need to check with the server, it doesn't need to go back that far
01:16<twb>I reckon you've accidentally told mutt to move all your mail from where it is to where it isn't
01:17<twb>The other case you'd hit that would be if you searched (l key) for something by client-side body search (~b)
01:18<jm_>there's nothing really unusual in that backtrace
01:18<twb>If you're using mutt with imap you should probably set imap_keepalive=120 header_cache=~/.cache/mutt/ message_cachedir=~/.cache/mutt/
01:18<twb>(Those help mutt do IMAP more efficiently, at the cost of a small amount of local persistent storage)
01:19<twb>75MB for me, right now
01:19<twb>ah, move (on quit) changed from ask-yes to *no*, not *yes*, in 1.5.19. So that's unlikely to be the problem
01:19<voltagex>yep, already done.
01:20<voltagex>let me remove the credentials from muttrc and post it
01:22<voltagex>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IX1sWwRm/muttrc
01:26<twb>$folder isn't a substring of postponed/trash
01:27<twb>suggest e.g. set postponed = "=[Gmail]/Drafts"
01:27<twb>I can't see anything else interesting
01:28<voltagex>either way, neomutt is faster and I'll work out how to only look at the last ~1000 messages
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01:34<voltagex>oh. there's 50 000 emails in that one "folder"
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18:44<mattcen>voltagex: Re. credentials:
18:45<mattcen>set imap_pass=`python -c "import netrc; print netrc.netrc().authenticators('imap.gmail.com')[2]"`
18:45<mattcen>set imap_user=`python -c "import netrc; print netrc.netrc().authenticators('imap.gmail.com')[0]"`
18:45<mattcen>To pull credentials out of netrc. (of course, you can pull them from anywhere that'll return them on stdout via a command)
18:46<mattcen>(Also, hi)
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19:46<voltagex>Hi mattcen!
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20:00<k-man>hi voltagex
20:00<k-man>in gnome i can capture a screenshot with alt+printscreen
20:00<k-man>but i need an app i can quickly launch that I could paste that image into
20:01<k-man>any suggestions?
20:03<voltagex>There's a fork of Paint.Net that I've forgotten the name of
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20:10<mnuhmnuh>k-man: your description is poor. lots of things can take screenshots. what do you want to do with the result? feh can view them, libreoffice can embed them, gimp can manipulate them, ... quick? what's that mean?
20:10<ach>!dropbox
20:10<dpkg>Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see bug #610257). The non-free but distributable <Nautilus> plugin is packaged for Debian as nautilus-dropbox (amd64 and i386 only), ask me about <non-free sources>.
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20:17<mnuhmnuh>k-man: ah. you want to do it that way. well, you could just cd to the dir the file resides in and "feh filename &" # you don't _have_ to use a mouse to do everything.
20:22<k-man>mnuhmnuh, sorry for my poor description. i want a quick way to grab a screenshot of an app and view it side by side with the currently running ap.
20:23<k-man>i can save the screenshot to a file, then open the file - but i want to do it faster than that. ie, 1. take screenshot, 2. launch some fast to load app, 3. hit ctrl+v in the app and see the screenshot. btw, i don't consider gimp viable as its too slow to load
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20:24<mnuhmnuh>k-man: i use gkrellm's gkrellshoot, and feh to view, gimp to "photoshop", ...
20:26<mnuhmnuh>once something's loaded, it doesn't need to load. fire it up, leave it running. # bu/install more ram?
20:26<mnuhmnuh>s/bu/buy/
20:27<k-man>mnuhmnuh, doable but not my ideal scenario
20:28<mnuhmnuh>80% rule. the last 20% won't be worth the cost to get it.
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20:48<mnuhmnuh>k-man: feh is fast, and can minimally edit (rotate) pics. depends what you want to do with it.
20:50<mnuhmnuh>k-man: it'll display one file, or icons of a dir's contents for clicking.
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20:51<k-man>thanks, checking it now
20:51<k-man>i found another way, gm import JPG:- | gm display -
20:51<k-man>thanks to twb
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22:05<watchcat>this is a workaround for inability to configure mouse speed/sensitivity in debian stretch, in case anyone is interested: http://dpaste.com/0WB2RC0
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23:26<kitsunyan>hi! i'm trying to rebuild libopenal1, but debuild yields this error during build: CMakeFiles/bin2h.dir/build.make:61: *** target pattern contains no '%'. Stop.
23:26<kitsunyan>line 61 contains CMakeFiles/bin2h.dir/bin2h.c.o: /home/primary/Documents/Projects/Packages/Modified/libopenal1/1:1.19.1-1/openal-soft-1.19.1/native-tools/bin2h.c
23:28<kitsunyan>does anyone know how to avoid this error?
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23:37<mnuhmnuh>kitsunyan: my understanding is add a deb-src line for sid in sources.list, then "apt-get source -t sid --compile ...", and cross your fingers hoping lib complexity doesn't fsck it up.
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23:40<kitsunyan>mnuhmnuh: well, I just found the solution..
23:41<mnuhmnuh>yay.
23:41<kitsunyan>I tried to search before asking, but the problem was : in path. I thought that it was used somewhere under package dir so I decided to ask here, but..
23:41<kitsunyan>1:1.19.1-1 is the dir i created -_-
23:45<mnuhmnuh>kitsunyan: manpage says apt-get source dl's to $PWD (.).
23:46<kitsunyan>yes. so I created the dir named 1:19.1-1 and ran apt-get source there.
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