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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-12-23

---Logopened Sun Dec 23 00:00:49 2018
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00:39<bremner>pl43c: is there some reason you don't ask in #debian-next where sid is actually supported?
00:39<bremner>ah cross posting. Now we know why it is annoying
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00:43<pl43c>bremner: both channels seemed inactive and the solution to fix the system can come from both channels :p
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05:58<qqz>how can I download debian oldstable?
05:58<qqz>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/8.10.0/amd64 seems to be empty
06:00<grove>Possibly because 8.11 is out
06:01<qqz>correct url: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/8.11.0/amd64/jigdo-bd/
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14:24<mnuhmnuh>interesting what shows up first hit with "download debian oldstable" on duckduckgo; exactly what qqz wanted. wonder why that isn't what so many try first.
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14:29<rwp>For creating any specific installation iso the jigdo-lite tool using snapshot.debian.org as the backing store is perfect.
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14:56<mnuhmnuh>rwp: it would be perfect if jigdo wasn't so chatty. other than that, jigdo's great.
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16:17<in1t3r>hi
16:19<mnuhmnuh>lotsa people lurking, fwiw. problem, ask.
16:19*annadane wave
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16:30<mnuhmnuh>how do we nix xwayland? i'd prefer to stick w xorg; i don't need what wayland offers. almost installed openbox-gnome-session (which would've dragged in xwayland if i wasn't looking).
16:31<awal1>openbox-gnome-session without gnome? mnuhmnuh
16:32<mnuhmnuh>that's what i'm using now, openbox-session.
16:32<awal1>but you have gnome desktop?
16:33<annadane>apt-mark hold xwayland?
16:34<mnuhmnuh>i have mate installed, but just running openbox, no gnome session DE, yadayada.
16:34<awal1>that pkg supposes that you have gnome, but you want an openbox session instead of gnome-session mnuhmnuh
16:34<annadane>you can just install 'openbox' without the gnome
16:34<annadane>i don't even know what openbox-gnome-session even is, though
16:35<annadane>yeah so package description basically told me what i already knew; if you don't need gnome don't use openbox-gnome-session
16:35<awal1>mnuhmnuh, without gnome, that pkg is useless at all
16:35<awal1>and I am almost sure it is broken
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16:36<awal1>gnome fault evidently
16:37<awal1>dpkg: wayland
16:37<dpkg>Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net.
16:37<awal1>dpkg: xwayland
16:37<dpkg>awal1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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16:39<awal1>mnuhmnuh, if you just use openbox, you will have just xorg, no wayland
16:40<awal1>buster yeah, gnome will default to wayland
16:40<awal1>not sure other de/wm
16:40<mnuhmnuh>awal1: so far, so good. researching apt-mark now. tx annadane
16:41<awal1>mnuhmnuh, apt-mark what?
16:41<mnuhmnuh>"apt-mark hold xwayland"
16:41<annadane>anyway just use openbox instead of the gnome session thing and you won't need apt-mark
16:43<awal1>I don't have xwayland installed , pure X with openbox
16:43<mnuhmnuh>yabut, apt-mark would put a stake in its heart. :-)
16:43<awal1>just remove xwayland mnuhmnuh if not needed
16:43<awal1>xwayland--┬╗ "This package provides an X server running on top of wayland"
16:43<mnuhmnuh>not installed.
16:43<awal1>:D
16:44<annadane>i found what i like about xfce so i basically stick with that and experiment with some WMs
16:44<mnuhmnuh>trying to make sure it stays that way.
16:44<awal1>probably sooner or later we will all have to use wayland
16:46<awal1>looks like the developers of X are the same ones that develop wayland
16:46<awal1>if I am not wrong
16:46*mnuhmnuh "rage, rage against the darkness of that night!" :-|
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16:48<awal1>looks like only gnome, kde and enlightenment have support for wayland right now
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17:09<mnuhmnuh>i've done the ~/.fehbg.sh thing for openbox, but something (theme?) is over-riding it. where do i find that to disable it and let fehbg work instead?
17:14<awal1>mnuhmnuh, just use a ".fehbg" then insert something like:
17:15<awal1>#!/bin/sh
17:15<awal1>feh --bg-center 'path-to-your-image.png'
17:16<awal1>then via your openbox autostart file (~/.config/openbox/autostart) call it as follow: (sleep 2s && sh ~/.fehbg) &
17:17<mnuhmnuh>i did. something comes along after and clobbers it with gray screen backdrop. :-P
17:17<awal1>if waiting needed just use sh ~/.fehbg &
17:17<awal1>if not needed ^
17:17<mnuhmnuh>(0) hellboy /home/keeling_ cat .fehbg
17:17<mnuhmnuh>#!/bin/sh
17:17<mnuhmnuh>feh --image-bg black --bg-center '/home/keeling/grf/debian049_1600.jpg'
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17:19<awal1>that is how openbox works, there are other ways to load a background image sure, but that is what I use. not sure what happens there in your $HOME
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17:20<awal1>maybe you have some weird conf somewhere
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18:08<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins: please confirm irssi syntax - autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv identify PWORD mnuhmnuh; wait 2000"; # _still_ trying to make it work (sigh).
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18:42<abrotman>mnuhmnuh: the irssi docs cover this
18:44<mnuhmnuh>abrotman: found it's correct - https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/#server-and-channel-automation
18:45<mnuhmnuh>wonder if irssi stumbles over special chars in my pword.
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18:46<mnuhmnuh>/reload won't take that line without reporting syntax errors.
18:49<abrotman>try quoting it?
18:50<mnuhmnuh>i have in the past, and tried escaping (\), but will try again.
18:51<abrotman>or ask #irrsi on freenode
18:54<mnuhmnuh>you'd think if i can handle perl (fsvo handle), this would be simple.
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18:58<ppc64>curious if anyone here is familiar with the ASUS TinkerBoard Rockchip RK3288 armv7-A Quad-core ARM Cortex-A17 little thingy ... it has a weird baseline config
19:00<ppc64>in any case .. firstly the root filesystem is way way too small to be of any value and am curious if one may simply point the boot option to another partition after doing a copy over of everything ?
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19:09<mnuhmnuh>ppc64: i used to boot from 5.25" floppies. pxe(?) can netboot, no local storage.
19:10<ppc64>mnuhmnuh: I used to boot a mainframe from tape :-) but anyways ... I am messing with the partition table to get more space
19:11<bremner>ppc64: you might also ask on #debian-arm
19:11<ppc64>hrmmm .. good idea .. thank you
19:12<ppc64>for the moment this is just a weird user focused implementation where the thing boots up and instantly logs in as a user called 'linaro' and you get a LXDE desktop. Very annoying. Also static networking seems to be a real pain to implement. Not sure why.
19:15<ppc64>anyways .. one problem at a time .. so any idea why LANG=en_US.UTF-8; export LANG works fine but LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8; export LC_COLLATE fails with warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) ???
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>you should not play around with those. just (as root) "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and be happy, unless you've a special case to handle.
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19:21<ppc64>" you should not play around with those " <-- I use multiple locales all the time
19:22<mnuhmnuh>isn't that what utf was meant to eliminate/obviate(?)?
19:23<ppc64>no ... utf-8 is a binary encoding subset of the unicode standard
19:24<ppc64>the locale config of a given session or exec environment merely clarifies to executables how to process ( or not ) real world data that isn't in the 7-bit sixty year old ascii chars etc
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19:43<mnuhmnuh>easy for you to say. to me, it's telling your term what to tell apps so they know how to speak to you in a language you'll understand, including metadata such a accent grave and umlauts which your LANG doesn't even use.
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19:44<mnuhmnuh>may not even use.
19:46<ppc64>to be honest an app may process in flight data any way it pleases however the input and output may be an issue. Certainly output web traffic is all utf-8 these days. Once upon a time it was some msdos crap or just plain ascii. Anyways .. it isn't an issue and I resolved it.
19:49<mnuhmnuh>snoopydance.
19:49<ppc64>indeed ! \o/
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20:29<mnuhmnuh>autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv mnuhmnuh 'PWORD';wait 2000" OFTC;
20:29<mnuhmnuh>Warning: missing ';' # where?!?
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22:49<mnuhmnuh>abrotman: grr. i just fiddled around with network add, server add, ... and .irssi/config syntax error (/reload) magically disappeared. what? gahd. love this stuff.
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22:51<awal1>weechat seems more advanced/have more features, mnuhmnuh
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22:54<mnuhmnuh>i like irssi. i just hope i'll eventually learn how to control it/grok irc.
22:55<mnuhmnuh>i will look at weechat too, tx.
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