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06:42<anon1>Hey I could use some help with setting up network interfaces on a fresh install, is anyone able to help with that?
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06:46<at0m>dpkg: tell anon1 about networking
06:46<at0m>anon1: or do you have any specific issues with your interface?
06:49<furrymcgee>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
06:52<anon1>I'm relatively new to debian, so take from that what you will. The issue that I'm having is that I can't set up the wlan0 interface. I recently got a new laptop, and after installing iwlwifi firmware, wlan0 is still unrecognized. I can provide more information if necessary. One thing of note is that when setting up, network autoconfiguration failed, saying "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP
06:52<anon1>server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly."
06:54<anon1>To add to this: I have never had this problem before on other computers. I know my network card works on this laptop because I have internet access when dual-booting Windows
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06:59<at0m>dpkg: tell anon1 about wireless
07:00<at0m>anon1: dpkg's factoids can get you started, feel free to return with any questions you may have after that
07:01<anon1>The card I have is Intel Wireless-AC 9560, which is supported by iwlwifi
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07:02<anon1>at least according to https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
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07:03<at0m>anon1: my apt show firmware-iwlwifi doesn't show that card though..
07:03<at0m>,v firmware-iwlwifi
07:03<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1
07:04<at0m>i'm running buster here, that would be the latest firmware-iwlwifi available
07:04<anon1>Well that's odd. It's literally the first device to come up on Intel's list of compatible devices
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07:05<at0m>anon1: maybe also the latest addition, if their list is reverse chronological
07:06<at0m>apt show firmware-iwlwifi | grep 9560
07:06<at0m>9460/9650 are in the list
07:07<at0m>but 9560 is not apparently
07:08<at0m>anon1: does "ip a" show your wireless interface?
07:08<anon1>No. It shows lo and enp3s0
07:09<at0m>:s maybe someone else can hop in, but i don't know where to go from there apart from waiting for firmware update
07:09<anon1>Alright, well thanks for making sense of this all
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09:21<datamke>Hi, MaxMind is discontinuing GeoIP as of 2019-01-01 (and no updates since 2018-06-01) and there is no package for GeoIP2 for Nginx. Sam has posted a request to include GeoIP2: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905639 however I would like to know if someone knows when this new package can be included in Debian (and maybe backports)?
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10:18<guardian>hello, what's the recommended way to install node.js based tools, I would like to install svgo
10:29<itd>datamke: Someone (you?) needs to package it. Once packaged (and accepted into the archive), the package can be included in a future stable release or backports.
10:39<datamke>@itd Thank you. What is the timeframe from submission to getting the package into lets say backports?
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10:42<bremner>anywhere from 5 days to infinitiy
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10:42<datamke>bremner Great. :-D
10:44<jimpop>ll
10:44<itd>datamke: It depends. stretch-backports packages are from testing (buster). you need to package it ?days. you need a sponsor to upload to unstable ?days. transition unstable->testing >=5days. backport of package ?days.
10:44<jimpop>hah!
10:45<itd>see https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
10:45<datamke>The problem with this specific package though, it depends on nginx and thus needs to be compiled when nginx is compiling. I tried to contact the maintainers of the nginx package back in May but no response yet. Am I dependent on that maintainer to build it?
10:45<jimpop>datamke: i don't know what the official debian policy is on that, but the recent wireshark update now depends on libmaxminddb0 which seems to be GeoIP2 ready
10:45<jimpop>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libmaxminddb0
10:46<bremner>datamke: lot's of packages depend on other packages, but don't need to be compiled at the same time
10:46<itd>datamke: how did you contact them?
10:47<datamke>jimpop I will look into that. It seems like something I can work with.
10:47<datamke>@brenn
10:47<datamke>bremner Thank you. When I look into the Wireshark package as jimpop pointed out I might figure it out.
10:47<datamke>itd Via e-mail.
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10:48<datamke>itd I just went to this page: https://packages.debian.org/stable-backports/httpd/libnginx-mod-http-geoip and clicked on the Maintainer.
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10:52<itd>https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-nginx-maintainers/2018q2/000562.html
10:53<datamke>itd Not me. I wrote directly to his "personal" e-mail.
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11:00<datamke>Now that I look at it, it seems like I am not able to add my own module as all the libnginx-mod-http-* is part of the nginx package. It reads: "[ Source: nginx ]". Is that a correct assumption itd?
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11:03<itd>datamke: Ok. AFAIK such private communication is unusual in Debian. I would recommend the bug tracker.
11:04<itd>datamke: I don't think so. Since the module readme suggests that a dynamic module is just a library, you should be able to build it in a new package (and runtime depend on nginx).
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11:16<itd>datamke: Ah, maybe you're right. :) https://salsa.debian.org/nginx-team/nginx/blob/master/debian/ngxmod (also merge request 1).
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11:19<itd>I'd recommend you open a whishlist bug against nginx. Ask for that module and (if possible) provide a patch that enables the module.
11:20<datamke>I was actually also looking in that repo and I can see that it can be added, but the maintainer has to do it. Fx. https://salsa.debian.org/nginx-team/nginx/commit/ff8b896b2bee270864cf2421e46e8dc551e3eaac I can try to reach him in the bug tracker as you suggested. :-)
11:20<datamke>Thank you itd, your help is very much welcome. :-)
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11:23<markvandenborre>datamke: they also have their own irc channel
11:24<markvandenborre>see https://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Debian_IRC_channels
11:24<markvandenborre>#debian-nginx
11:25<markvandenborre>you might want to speak to them there about possible ways to get the geoip2 stuff in
11:26<itd>datamke: no problem. :) (would be awesome if you could summarize your findings in the rfp bug #905639 :))
11:27<datamke>markvandenborre Thank you, I will definitely try that channel as well.
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12:30<holgerw>Hi, I just installed Sid, and /sbin is missing in the PATH for root user.
12:30<holgerw>Want to file a bug.
12:31<holgerw>Which package is responsible for this?
12:31<bremner>holgerw: use su - or su -l
12:31<bremner>I guess there's probably already a bug on su, but I don't think it will be "fixed"
12:32<annadane>i'm heard mumblings that they're going to make su - required in buster, so...
12:32<holgerw>Hmm, it seems to there different behaviour in stable and sid?
12:33<annadane>s/i'm/i've
12:33<holgerw>Normally I use stable, did not face that ptoblem there.
12:33<bremner>right. so #debian-next for sid support
12:33<holgerw>Now see this in sid
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12:35<jhutchins_wk>holgerw: That's the kind of thing you might want to ask about in #debian-next
12:35<holgerw>Ok, thanks for pointing me to #debian-next
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12:48<markvandenborre>datamke: I'd definitely add some info to @905639 about why this would be useful!
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12:49<Dkeagle>Hi everyone
12:50<Dkeagle>my brother shutdowned the computer by holding the button, and since, at boot, it takes 2 minutes to boot, showing something like "ata2.00 revalidation errno-5"
12:51<Dkeagle>it finally boot after 2 minutes, but it does it at every boo
12:51<Dkeagle>+t
12:51<Dkeagle>anyone know how to solve that ?
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13:02<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle: Tell us something about your hardware and your partition setup.
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13:12<Dkeagle_>Anybody? I've tried ''fdisk -l''
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13:12<Dkeagle_>The computer frooze and is not starting anymore
13:13<Dkeagle_>I got exception emask 0x40...
13:13<Dkeagle_>Irq_stat 0x40000001
13:14<Dkeagle_>SError (hostInt 10B8B)
13:14<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle_: I would say you have a hardware problem.
13:15<Dkeagle_>I had no problem this morning, until my brother stopped the computer with the bug button
13:15<Dkeagle_>Can a hard drive break just for this?
13:15<jhutchins_wk>So you had no problem until the hardware failed, but now you have a problem.
13:16<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle_: Yes, it's possible to kill a hard drive by powering off like that, but you haven't told us anything about the hardware to begin with.
13:17<Dkeagle_>It's a acer aspire 5733z
13:17<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle_: It's also possible that a system would appear to be running normally because everything you were doing was in RAM or was from an undamaged part of the hard drive, but rebooting revealed the problem.
13:17<Dkeagle_>I have a windows 10 with dual boot and windows start with no problem at all
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13:20<jhutchins_wk>Dkeagle_: Can you boot to a rescue disk?
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13:21<kiniou>Dkeagle_: 2 minutes is close to the default systemd's timeout on service start (which is 90s)
13:21<jhutchins_wk>A six-year-old hard drive could very well be failing. Why did your brother use the power button to shut it down? Did it freeze?
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13:22<Dkeagle_>No, he don't know how to use a computer and needed to clean the table
13:22<Dkeagle_>So he shut it down and put it in my bag like the cunt he is
13:23<Dkeagle_>And now this
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13:24<amacater>If windows works - use a Debian Live .iso to boot from RAM and then fix from there. Running an fsck from an image running in memory is a good idea anyway
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13:25<towo`>amacater, those errors are not filesystem related, so fschk won't help at all
13:26<amacater>You might find a log or three ...
13:28<jhutchins_wk>I think you might try re-installing the kernel and making sure it rebuilds the initrd.
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13:33<Dkeagle_>How do I do that?
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13:36<Dkeagle_>arnacater, how do I do that?
13:36<Dkeagle_>I'm on the installer boot menu of debian, with a live usb
13:36<Dkeagle_>With '' graphical install'' etc
13:36<Dkeagle_>How do I run the fsck?
13:37<amacater>Don't use the installer - use the rescue mode ...
13:38<amacater>If you boot from the live USB, then everything runs in memory
13:38<Dkeagle_>Well, I'm new on Linux, if you don't tell it, I can't guess it xD
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13:45<amacater>If you're running in rescue mode, then you may be able to mount the drive inside the machine and run an fsck / look for logs / find out what happened. If you don't have significant data on the machine, it might be easer to reinstall. If you've another machine: use Google or similar to work out what to do.
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14:01<Dkeagle_>Amacater, did the fsck. Sda5 clean
14:01<Dkeagle_>Rebooted
14:01<Dkeagle_>No problem on boot, I restarted it 3 times to be sure
14:01<Dkeagle_>Works perfectly now
14:01<Dkeagle_>Thx XD
14:02<amacater>That's OK - you've now got another thing you've done that solved a problem and a bit more knowledge. Pass it on / help other people - everybody has to learrn somewhere and a non-booting machine is a nasty place to have to start.
14:04<amacater>If you can explain that you've done something / what you've tried as clearly as you can, then other people are bette placed to help you
14:12<rwp>Regarding Dkeagle_'s issue I thought if the system needed fsck at boot that it would ask interactively for it by default. The old /etc/default/rcS FSCKFIX setting. I always set that to FSCKFIX=yes so that it happens automatically. Otherwise servers are stuck.
14:13<rwp>I know systemd doesn't use that setting anymore. What does it do at boot time with a filesystem needing fsck now?
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14:23<Arcade>Hi there: it seems I am having some issues sending mail to submit@bugs.debian.org or the bug directly. Is there someone I can reach to see what may be an error
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14:54<jhutchins>Arcade: Telling us what's happening would be a good start.
14:55<jhutchins>Arcade: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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15:01<Arcade>Hi jhutchins : I had forwarded a message to 917390@bugs.debian.org. So far I have yet to see any reply that it actually added a comment
15:01<Arcade>I am looking at: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917390
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15:06<Arcade>I noted last week also that I had issues with trying to send an email to subscribing to a debian list
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15:19<jhutchins>Arcade: It might be moderated. Been a while since I used it.
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15:19<jhutchins>What does your mailer chain look like?
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15:24<Arcade>The only thing that is returned is the message id: I don't see any other details
15:26<Arcade>as for lists I do see its passed to bendel.debian.org
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15:37<rwp>How are you sending the mail? For example I use mutt, which uses /usr/sbin/sendmail which is Postfix, which then sends the mail. Can look at /var/log/mail.log for information about messages. What about you?
15:37<Arcade>I am using gmail directly
15:37<rwp>Many other people do silly things like use Google's gmail.com for mail. Hey! I was just going to ask about that! :-)
15:38<rwp>So in other words you are in the web form at gmail.com and sending to the bug address. And you see nothing in response?
15:38<rwp>I think you just need a lot of patience. Because you don't know if it is queued within the system and for how long. It might take a long time (days?) for gmail to deliver or bounce any particular message.
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15:39<Arcade>yep I just was wondering only because I never got a response from my last email on a list join. I use google's custom domain services
15:40<rwp>Also note Arcade that Gmail is notorious for a feature interaction with mailing lists. It files your outgoing messages tagged Sent. When the mailing list sends you your own copy back it has the same Message-Id and is therefore discarded silently by Gmail since you already have it in your Sent folder.
15:40<rwp>You won't see it in your Inbox because it is tagged Sent not Inbox. Unless you add special handling rules to tag it Inbox too.
15:41<Arcade>I have had no problems with prior email lists. I will poke around just to confirm
15:41<rwp>People often think their messages are not going to the mailing list when it actually is but Gmail is just not showing it to you in Inbox because of Sent.
15:41<rwp>Then *later* when someone replies to a message of yours then that gets tagged Inbox and being a reply your original message then gets pulled in as a reference.
15:41<rwp>This confuses people repeatedly. I hate that behavior.
15:42<rwp>Sorry I had to rant about it for a moment but it is good to keep people informed of this odd behavior.
15:43<Arcade>yeah it shows sent: no email in other labels: looking the server never even ack my message
15:45<Arcade>I will wait in #debian-lists to see what goes there first. The only think I know I have is SFP and DKIM enabled thanks
15:46<rwp>I think patience is needed. If an appropriate amount of time passes you can get the Debian listmasters involved to help by looking at their mail logs and see if your message-id is found and the status (reject, accept).
15:46<Arcade>yep: that is what I thought I would do next as per discussion last week. Thanks
15:47<rwp>Because I am ranting... I once debugged a user who had sent multiple messages to a list and there was less than a minute passed between the first sending and the repeat sending becuase they had not seen it in the mail archive yet!
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15:48<Arcade>lol: yeah I was just trying to offer a fix: I am trying to learn a little bit about debian packaging being a newbie
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15:53<rwp>Another FYI about bug reports. Old bugs get archived. Archived bugs are read-only until unarchived. The read-only status prevents them collecting spam.
15:54<rwp>So if one wants to add something to an old archived bug for whatever reason they need to unarchive it to make it writable first.
15:54<rwp>That doesn't apply here. But perhaps a useful FYI...
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16:23<r3muxd>question: how do I make it so backports don't require me to type -t stretch-backports?
16:23<r3muxd>/etc/apt/preferences does not exist, and /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty
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16:30<jhutchins>That's a very bad idea, I hope he doesn't figure it out.
16:39<Arcade>got my email fixed I think admin* does not work well thanks
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