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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-01-04

---Logopened Fri Jan 04 00:00:06 2019
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00:27<iriscredo>Hello.
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11:14<PMT>If I want to fetch all the binary packages for a certain older version than what's currently in stretch-backports (e.g. I want to fetch all the things emitted from the source package zfs-linux at version 0.7.11-1~bpo9+1, but the repo currently has 0.7.12[...]), is there a convenient way to do that short of wget on an archive dir with a URL filter?
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11:25<Brigo>PMT, snapshot.debian.org
11:26<PMT>Ah, I knew that snapshot existed, but not that it exposed a repo of what was on it. Thanks.
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12:05<beth>Possibly a newbie question: I can git clone from salsa over HTTP, but not over git:// -- am I doing something wrong?
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12:35<furrymcgee>yes
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12:39<bremner>git:// is not supported on salsa
12:40<beth>Okay, thanks! Just wanted to make sure that was it, and not something being wrong.
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13:07<broken_guitar>everytime i boot up my computer i get a "skype failed to mount" message. even though i've uninstalled skype
13:07<broken_guitar>i checked on the terminal and got this:
13:07<broken_guitar>snap-skype-66.mount - Mount unit for skype, revision 66
13:07<broken_guitar> Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/snap-skype-66.mount; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
13:07<broken_guitar> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2019-01-04 15:59:51 -02; 5min ago
13:07<broken_guitar> Where: /snap/skype/66
13:07<broken_guitar> What: /var/lib/snapd/snaps/skype_66.snap
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13:08<broken_guitar>sorry i only pasted the message that i got from terminal
13:10<annadane>use paste.debian.net in future
13:11<annadane>the last we saw was "What:"
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13:45<retrospectacus>delete this file. /etc/systemd/system/snap-skype-66.mount
13:46<retrospectacus>and whatever else you can find re: skipe and that error message
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14:50<Sleaker>what's the best way to add custom tasks to a custom disk? would it be to add a new task definition into the initrd - or is there a way to make d-i read custom tasks from a file on the disk?
14:51<Sleaker>or do those normally go into one of the udebs?
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15:02<rwp>Sleaker, tasks are simply metapackages. Run '# tasksel -t' (-t is test mode, won't do anything) and see the output it produces.
15:03<Sleaker>rwp: aren't they defined in a .desc file in /usr/share/tasksel though?
15:03<rwp>Oh... I guess I don't know! Sorry.
15:03<Sleaker>I'm looking at how to define my own to manage installing a bunch of packages.
15:04<Sleaker>right now we just parse in a giant line into a preseed template file. which I'd prefer to just use a single tasksel for instead
15:04<Sleaker>like I could generate a separate package completely for it to install everything, but that seems like using a sledgehammer for a nail kind of method.
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15:05<Sleaker>I did also ask in debian-boot cause it's probably more relevant there, but.. less activity :P
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15:06<bremner>you don't need to use tasksel, just make a metapackage which depends on the things you want
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15:07<Sleaker>bremner: yah, that was my other thought. just seems easier to use a single tasksel file if that's possible than having to generate a full package.
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15:16<Dxxt>Hello and happy new year. i've been trying to install xtables-addons-source on latest stable debian. Is it not supported?
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15:18<jhutchins>gh.v xtables-addons-source
15:18<jhutchins>,v xtables-addons-source
15:18<judd>Package: xtables-addons-source on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42-2; jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; buster: 3.2-1; sid: 3.2-1
15:22<itd>Dxxt: Looks like it should be available. What happens if you try to install it?
15:24<Dxxt>Getting make: *** [kdist_build] Error 2
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15:26<Dxxt>Thats when i use module-assistant autoinstall xtables-addons-source
15:28<jhutchins_wk>Dxxt: What happens if you just do apt install xtables-addons-source?
15:29<dtw>Dxxt: Package xtables-addons-dkms should automatically compile the modules. But perhaps you have a good reason to not use it?
15:30<Dxxt>i tried dkms but it just failed with no useful information. Just a start entry.
15:30<Dxxt>jhutchins_wk that works
15:31<dtw>Dxxt: And linux-headers package is installed for your kernel?
15:32<Dxxt>apt installed a bunch of headers and dependencies
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15:37<Dxxt>http://paste.debian.net/1058694/
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15:49<zmitya>hi guys... A few years ago I use "jailer" to create chroot envs.. I have just installed a buster.. What is the alternate way doing chroots these days ?
15:57<itd>zmitya: buster -> #debian-next
16:04<Dxxt>dtw am i doing something wrong?
16:05<jhutchins_wk>itd: I can't imagine it would be any different between stretch and buster.
16:06<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: What are you using chroots for?
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16:17<furrymcgee>debootstrap+schroot http://paste.debian.net/1058699
16:18<furrymcgee>maybe you like try devuan in schroot
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16:47<zmitya>jhutchins_wk: I usually have a few different envs for my apaches .. I am thinking about a VM now ... maybe a bit more modern way to do this right ?
16:48<zmitya>furrymcgee: thanks
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17:15<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: Possibly VMs. Possibly containers, although I wouldn't consider that for production systems.
17:16<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: It really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Why do you need multiple instances of apache in the first place?
17:16<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: It's not unusual to run more than a dozen different sites on the same instance.
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17:23<zmitya>jhutchins_wk: well, there are a few "external" sites.. those are developed and maintained by others.. it would be nice to isolate them..
17:23<zmitya>jhutchins_wk: in the other hand one site requires perl, the other python, but the majority of the would not need those...
17:24<zmitya>jhutchins_wk: so they could be isolated as well...
17:24<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: There are ways to do that with a single instance.
17:24<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: A serious VM host with a real hypervisor is how we'd do it for work.
17:25<jhutchins_wk>zmitya: 'course we have almost 1500 servers.
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17:25<zmitya>jhutchins_wk: what do you mean by "real hypervisor" ?
17:26<jhutchins_wk>In decending order of reliability, VMWare, Parallels, RedHat's Hypervisor stuff, kvm/Virtualbox
17:27<jhutchins_wk>I'm not realy familiar with the RedHat or kvm stuff, VirtualBox works well for me, but it's just personal use and testing.
17:31<broken_guitar>adoes nyone know if it is possible to make Qualcomm Atheros QA9377 rev31 wifi card work?
17:32<broken_guitar>i found no non-free firmware in the repositories. however, it works on Ubuntu
17:33<jhutchins_wk>!atheros
17:33<dpkg>Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB wireless LAN device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros
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19:14<user01>hi my /var/log/kern.log shows a lot of this, is it a concern?: https://paste.debian.net/1058718/
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19:15<user01>also, i have a kernel bug message at start-up can't seem to find it in dmesg
19:16<user01>i think it was with regards to a iwlwifi bug with firmware
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19:18<user01>running this version: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/firmware-iwlwifi
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19:24<user01>going to take a pic i guess since i cant find the message in logs brb
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19:29<user01>ah i think i found the issue . . . needs intel-microcode installed to fix . . . going to try that . . . brb
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19:44<user01>hi how can i troubleshoot a 2 minute delay between logging in (not the first time) and desktop appearing in xfce?
19:45<user01>takes about 2 minutes from logging in to desktop appearing . . . seems slow
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20:08<mnuhmnuh>user01: systemd-analyze - i get 6.057s (kernel) + 24.325s (userspace) = 30.383s
20:09<mnuhmnuh>wdm+openbox here.
20:11<user01>mnuhmnuh, Startup finished in 2.498s (kernel) + 2min 33.264s (userspace) = 2min 35.762s graphical.target reached after 12.344s in userspace
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20:14<lhvf>Hello. I'm suffering a problem since one day before yesterday, and I guess that this is a Bug. It's related to Cliboard, which is impregnated with a insistent transference Area, that's not go away.
20:15<lhvf>sarnold passed to me a workaround, but it don't fixed the problem in my case.
20:16<lhvf>I'll pass a Screencasting to illustrate the problem. <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOLF32F5hEW5tgQ-Wi9I2H9MlaY0Nfs0/view>
20:16<user01>mmm systemd-analyze blame seems to implicate tor@default.service
20:23<user01>mnuhmnuh, let's see if disabling tor daemon helps brb
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20:26<lhvf>*Only Copy/paste from Gedit to gnome-terminal (or vice-versa) don't have suffered with the problem. Useful Article about the possible Bug <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence>.
20:27<lhvf>*< https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence >
20:27<lhvf>< https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOLF32F5hEW5tgQ-Wi9I2H9MlaY0Nfs0/view >
20:35<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: What is the source of the problem in your opinion? Or anyone available;
20:36<lhvf>?
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20:39<lhvf>Note: Is still Debian 7.11 GNU/Linux my installation.
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20:40<lhvf>How to clean the Cliboard copy/paste Transference Area? This persistence on Clipboard is also occuring with KDE, another Interface, not only GNOME.
20:42<lhvf>*And is persisting also after a Reboot, when I go to copy a specific file. Maybe a process needs to be killed?
20:42<mnuhmnuh>LTS for wheezy ended may 2018
20:43<watchcat>bleachbit?
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20:44<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: I know. But if it is not a Bug, maybe a process neeeds to be killed. I only acknowledge only two command: 'ps ax' and 'kill -9 PROCESS_ID'.
20:45<user01>mnuhmnuh, i purged tor but it still takes as long . . . only now it doesn't report anything:
20:45<mnuhmnuh>also see pgrep and pkill
20:45<user01>mnuhmnuh, Startup finished in 2.454s (kernel) + 11.714s (userspace) = 14.168s
20:46<mnuhmnuh>user01: fixed.
20:46<user01>mnuhmnuh, but it still takes 2 1/2 to load
20:46<user01>minutes
20:47<user01>mnuhmnuh, should i try another reboot?
20:47<user01>mnuhmnuh, the report didnt reflect the experience
20:49<user01>will try another reboot, brb
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20:53<user01>mnuhmnuh, don't know what it is :/ still slow 2 min about to boot
20:54<user01>mnuhmnuh, not boot but . . . login page to xfce desktop
20:55<mnuhmnuh>user01: try a different dm? wdm, lightdm, ...
20:55<user01>mnuhmnuh, i just see a pointer that moves for that time
20:56<lhvf>watchcat: If I reboot, and switch to KDE 4 Plasma, and copy a given text from a file, the problem also occurs. bleachbit don't fixed (Copy Transference Area selected).
20:56<lhvf>*imited user account mode.
20:57<lhvf>*limited
20:57<user01>mnuhmnuh, will try wdm already doing lightdm
20:57<mnuhmnuh>user01: less /var/log/messages and journalctl -b may help
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21:01<lhvf>How to close inactive or remaining processes to be closed on Debian? I've seen many lot of them as root last time that I openned from this mode.
21:03<lhvf>It's might be related to X.org, because is also occuring with KDE same way.
21:03<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: control what starts up, and you won't need to look for things that need to be euthanized.
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21:05<mnuhmnuh>i look at htop and see three or four screens of firefox-esr processes extant. they're not all active at once, is my only consolation.
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21:06<lhvf>mnuhmnuh, watchcat: Need I to X, to resolve this annoying problem? (I guess that some of you have saw the my shared Video).
21:06<lhvf>*to kill X?
21:07<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: no, run top/htop, verify everything there is stuff you want or need, and turn off what's unnecessary.
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21:12<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Some time ago I saw a way to debug, or filter background processes. Other time I've saw that I could pip any processe Kernel background processes level to LPT, when I was having bugs with 'mutter' in Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, and print.
21:13<lhvf>Can I pip the background level to a Text Editor?
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21:15<user01>mnuhmnuh, i think it has something to do with the backports kernel
21:15<user01>mnuhmnuh, i had installed the intel-microcode earlier to fix the error message, something is going on there
21:15<user01>mnuhmnuh, i tried the 4.9 kernel and it was fast
21:17<user01>mnuhmnuh, after i tried the 4.9 and went back to 4.18 it was slow between login and xfce displaying, but not 2 min 30 sec slow as before
21:17<user01>mnuhmnuh, maybe, 30 sec slow
21:17<user01>mnuhmnuh, over 4.9
21:17<mnuhmnuh>i've stuck with stock stretch so far, no backports, 4.9.0-8-amd64, no firmware nor microcode needed.
21:18<user01>mnuhmnuh, yeah i might try to remove backport
21:19<mnuhmnuh>seems to me a lot are reporting probs w > 4.17.
21:21<lhvf>When a software is running is running, is there a way to know the background, or linked processes? I saw something before for discover a problem when searching the origin of a process that won't to run.
21:21<user01>mnuhmnuh, it give me warning not to remove it, should i boot into 4.9 and remove it from there?
21:21<lhvf> When a software is running, is there a way to know the background, or linked processes? I saw something before for discover a problem when searching the origin of a process that won't to run.
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21:24<mnuhmnuh>4.17 kernel? don't remove it, just boot the 4.9, leave 4.17 there.
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21:26<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: top/htop, ps fax
21:26<user01>mnuhmnuh, ok it is back to its speedy self again thanks
21:26<user01>user01, just removed 4.18 this is old hardware so shouldnt make a difference
21:27<user01>mnuhmnuh, i still had 4.9 in grub
21:27<mnuhmnuh>user01: that would be spectre/meltdown fixes bogging you down.
21:28<mnuhmnuh>i suspect.
21:28<user01>mnuhmnuh, oh, those arent patched in 4.9?
21:29<user01>2 1/2 minutes is a lot to gain
21:29<mnuhmnuh>if i was running a datacenter on-line, i might care about spectre/meltdown.
21:30<mnuhmnuh>user01: yes, they should be backported to stable kernel.
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21:34<mnuhmnuh>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 # ?
21:35<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Have I to collect something on 'dmesg' command, to know if I'll find an error on the system? How to let dmesg command running until it be ended when needed?
21:35<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: ps fax an top doesn't both found anyything suspicious.
21:35<lhvf>*anything
21:36<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: dmesg output is done at end of boot sequence. after that, /var/log/* and journalctl.
21:36<lhvf>*and top
21:38<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Even if Debian 7 EOL, could you say to me a way to look at logs outputs, filtering with | grep maybe?
21:39<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Will try help at #xorg at Freenode Network.
21:40<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: as root in a terminal, "less /var/log/messages", or same for any files in /var/log. also "journalctl -b" shows logging since start of this boot.
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21:41<mnuhmnuh>less is a pager. use spacebar to page through, "/blah" to search for "blah" ...
21:42<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: I already told Debian 7 is now EOL. I'm trying to migrate to a new installation with Debian 9 Stretch, but the most near Distribution, the Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 was *buggy* on my tests with _mkusb_.
21:42<lhvf>I was already
21:46<mnuhmnuh>*buntu may look a lot like debian, but it's not debian. they're unrelated systems. then gnome 2/3, cinnamon, mate, xorg/wayland ... complexity.
21:47<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Maybe the experience with Nouveau Gallium will a lot different to NVIDIA, but some bug can be still yet there. NVIDIA Proprietary Graphics Driver (legacy for my GPU) maybe will be needed.
21:48<mnuhmnuh>some here say nouveau's fine for them. great.
21:50*mnuhmnuh what's mkusb?
21:51<lhvf>I know that Debian is extensive tested, with a long Battery of Tests during two years, for state that it to be considered as *Stable*. I prefer Debian at the top, even having to use Debian-Live, but sometimes I need Ubuntu, even for test something on the OS.
21:52*coruja hints at virtual machines
21:52<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Is a Ubuntu installer for persistent/non-persistent installers. Is (I guess, because I'm uncertain) mainly for Ubuntu. Used the same in Ubuntu.
21:52<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: < https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb >
21:52<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: i'm not so bleeding edgy, nor do i need to connect to non-linux systems much. happy me.
21:54<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: ah. i just use tails to get that. :-)
21:56<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: I use Windows 7 Professional dual-boot to Debian 7.11, but sometimes I need Windows, specific software. When I'm ensure about functionality, I use Windows, in the Professional and with good solution for a problem. I use the best between of the two worlds..
21:57<lhvf>*Or I use Linux, as for resolve Filesystem issues.
21:57<mnuhmnuh>whatever floats your boat.
21:59<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: One time, the Memory Card of my brother was being detected as 'unknown filesystem'. FORMAT F: don't worked (Windows 7 said that the Device was not ready). Then I got fixed the problem with 'fsck.vfat' and 'mkfs.vfat' and GParted.
22:01<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: sort of why i don't even bother with win*. :-)
22:05<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: After I get fixed, (after many researchings on the Internet), I'll ask a RFP to MultiBootUSB, because 'sundar_ima" is making the dependencies of his Software synchonizing with Debian Stable, for sanity linthian errors, I'll told him about this detail, for he become a Debian Maintainer
22:05<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: (Get fixed the Clipboard issue).
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22:07<lhvf>sarnold: said to me to I discover where is the Clipboard of the utilized program.
22:07<lhvf>I don't know where the _buggy_ clipboard is coming from.
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22:10<mnuhmnuh>i don't even really understand clipboard. i use terminal cut+paste w mouse, gkrellshoot to grab window images, a couple of perl progs for cut+paste --> html formatted. clipboard? what for?
22:13<lhvf>Clipboard transference area is impregnated with a persistent copy paste, for a given file. Have you viewed my Shared Video on the passed link? I use both Copy/Paste with mouse and with Keyboard (CTRL+C/CTRL+V), and don't matter, the result is the same (Persistence on the Clipboard). Ubuntu says that it's a Bug. Only Clipboard Managers helped in someway.
22:14<lhvf>*According with the Documentation. < https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence >.
22:15<mnuhmnuh>lhvf: i've had trouble with vim cut+paste, so i went to nvi; problem solved. also had to re-learn how firefox does it recently, and now that works again.
22:16<mnuhmnuh>win* devs building win-ish stuff on linux. :-P
22:17<coruja>there is primary (mark with mouse) and secondary selection (ctrl+c), which may be synchronized by e.g. clipboard software
22:18<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Debian is really Stable, but is decepting me, because never suffered anything like before. GNOME 3 causing Bugs on Xorg, is reflecting also on KDE, and after a Reboot?!
22:20<lhvf>*disappointing me (wrong cognate -- I'm not English Native speaker..).
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22:23<lhvf>coruja: I can select which one copy/paste (with glipper/parcellite software) I want, but recently it stopped to working for given specifc file, even when renaming, or placing in another place,
22:25<mnuhmnuh>clipit, xclip, clipman.
22:26<lhvf>coruja: Watch this Video until the end, and say to me what do you thinks about this annoying issue: < https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOLF32F5hEW5tgQ-Wi9I2H9MlaY0Nfs0/view >..
22:27<lhvf>coruja: Only copy/paste from any software to gnome-terminbal works correctly.
22:30<lhvf>coruja: The rest of the softwares that I tested stays with the mentioned issue (Persistence of Clipboard). Maybe I'll have to kill X.org, or a annoying related process that is causing the issue.
22:35<lhvf>coruja, mnuhmnuh Is not there a practical/trivial solution here?
22:37<mnuhmnuh>practical/trivial solution is --> reportbug.
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22:38<mnuhmnuh>if nothing else, dev may explain what's going on.
22:39<mnuhmnuh>not if you're running wheezy, though.
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22:39<lhvf>coruja, mnuhmnuh: (Text fix: *There's not practical/trivial solution here?) Maybe open an exception, because Kernel 3.2 is EOL even passed LTS period, and Wheezy too..? Will talk with Rafael Hertzog in ELTS. Maybe, but I'll not put Kernel 3.16 on my installation (it's buggy for my GPU ).
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22:41<lhvf>Or the Maintainer : Ben Hutchings
22:41<lhvf>Via Mailing-Lists.
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22:42<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: *What annoying issue, if it isn't yet a Bug. Never I've seen it before, even on Ubuntu..
22:46<lhvf>@carcardo help me to Report properly a Bug on Debian BTS. He is now a Linux Kernel Developer on Kernel Team of Canonical. Will talk also to him, complaining my issue, in an attempt to fix my system. He is Brazilian, like me, and in contact to Canonical.
22:49<lhvf>Will start the discussion of the issue on Debian Mailining-Lists, when I be inspired.
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22:56<lhvf>Note: ubuntuforums.org has a section for Debian there too. I'll try to find some help on there too, and I also have a register on launchpad.net (with right to enter to login alternatively there).
22:56<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: coruja I'll try other ways for get help. Bye.
22:57<lhvf>Thanks for the assitance offered.
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23:02<lhvf>mnuhmnuh, coruja GOT FIXED!!! It's the font of 'O' that looks like '0' on both GNOME 3.4 and KDE.. Damn! Discovered copying the text on the Browser from Google Drive. 0 has a cut in the middle in Google Drive..
23:02<lhvf>The Clipboard was being correct..
23:02<mnuhmnuh>haha.
23:04<lhvf>Link of the text: < https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VDWvM_0VoErPfkwJA1xDFcqpB21UB0WC >
23:04<mnuhmnuh>you bang your head on it, narrow it down, zero in, ... and out of left field comes a zinger! where'd that come from?!? font? font! bleahh.
23:06<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Will be smarter other times. But this font is a cosmetic issu in both GNOME and KDE.
23:06<mnuhmnuh>had to be clipboard, and persists across reboots, and bleeds into other non-gnome stuff. scary monsters.
23:07<lhvf>*issue
23:07<mnuhmnuh>glad you found your fix.
23:08<lhvf>I'm not too newbie. People that I know, when see log message on the boot "guess that the System is giving errors". Ubuntu put plymouth to not scary the beginner users coming from other Systems..
23:09<lhvf>*Commercial Operaring Systems.
23:13<lhvf>mnuhmnuh: Will tomorrow talk about 'MultiBootUSB' Debian RFP. Maybe someone could be a Debian Maintainer, and a Core participant a Developer.
23:17<lhvf>< http://multibootusb.org/ > < https://github.com/mbusb/multibootusb > . He Sundar, says that Debian (Stable) is the him 'main productive OS' or something like that he stated on GitHub.
23:17<lhvf>And the dependencies are near to Stable.
23:20<lhvf>Link about I'm saying: < https://github.com/mbusb/multibootusb/pull/358#issuecomment-385449068 >, about issues with Python that not occur with Debian, only for another Distros.
23:20<lhvf> **Link about what I'm saying**:
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