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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-01-11

---Logopened Fri Jan 11 00:00:16 2019
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00:19<ach>!dpkg friends of you to unfriend
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00:42<rwp>sarnold, I am running Stretch and Sid and it is fine.
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02:57<das>Hello. Seems that upgrading from 4.18.0-3 to 4.19.0-1 broke something for me, when booting the new kernel I get "Voume group hostname-vg not found"
03:00<das>Then "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device UUID=..." with the UUID from /etc/crypttab
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03:01<das>so I'd guess that the cryptsetup luksOpen portion of the boot is broken?
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06:08<ach>sudo -u user gtk no display simply no idea?
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06:17<furrymcgee>I dont know why this is working as expected with <&0 not <&4 http://paste.debian.net/plain/1059708
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07:03<xxzz>morning everyone
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08:37<Kohlrabi>Is there a dedicated channel for Python related questions?
08:37<Kohlrabi>I'd like to contact the Debian Python Modules team regarding ipython3.
08:37<bremner>Kohlrabi: there's #debian-python
08:38<Kohlrabi>Thanks
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08:38<bremner>it's more of a developer channel than support, but *shrug*
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12:44<raindev>I want to install a package dependent on some (non-critical) dependencies that are nor provided from the sources configured on my installation.
12:44<raindev>How do I tell apt to ignore those?
12:44<oweh>What is your error message you get?
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12:45<oweh>If they are indeed dependencies and not just Recommends: or Suggests:, then they are "critical"
12:46<raindev>Depends: ... but it is not going to be installed
12:46<oweh>meaning: without rebuilding the package or doing some trickery with equivs you are not going to convince apt to ignore them.
12:46<raindev>For the main package.
12:46<oweh>If they are Depends:, then they are needed. You can't not install them.
12:47<raindev>Traversing down the tree and installing those dependencies I get Package is not available, but is referred by another package.
12:47<raindev>oweh: I want to install a metapackage.
12:47<oweh>what package are we talking about here?
12:47<raindev>And I'm fine having some things slightly broken.
12:48<raindev>gnome
12:48<oweh>on what version of Debian? on what Arch?
12:48<oweh>what version of the package?
12:48<raindev>E.g. I don't have tracker package available.
12:49<raindev>It's a corporate distribution based on Debian.
12:49<oweh>Then they messed up.
12:49<raindev>And some packages are not provided intentionally.
12:49<oweh>Then you need to talk to them to fix their meta package.
12:49<raindev>Well I'll have to put up with that.
12:50<oweh>Or you parse the meta package manually and install the dependencies that *are* available manually.
12:50<oweh>Downside is of course those packages will no longer automagically get removed once they are no longer needed.
12:51<oweh>Or you can use equivs to create "fake" packages, satisfying the dependencies.
12:51<oweh>But attention: this is of course totally outside of any supported paths. Stuff may break in "interesting" ways by doing this.
12:51<raindev>I'm in for that :)
12:52<oweh>Just be careful. equivs has a very large "Here be dragons!" label on the front.
12:52<raindev>I was hoping for apt --i-accept-responsibility flag.
12:53<oweh>dpkg has several --force-foobar switches
12:53<dpkg>oweh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:53<raindev>Installing available dependencies only seems like less work.
12:54<oweh>you can get everything installed that way, BUT this will make dpkg and apt very very [...] very unhappy down the line.
12:54<raindev>oweh: thanks for all the suggestions.
12:55<raindev>You mean the option to replace dependencies with fake packages?
12:55<oweh>no, by using the force with dpkg.
12:55<oweh>Because this creates inconsistencies in the local package database.
12:56<oweh>by installing a package via dpkg --force-depends (or the like), the next time you run apt, it will want to resolve the missing dependencies and fail miserably.
12:56<oweh>After that, you basically can't update the system anymore without fixing this.
12:57<raindev>Oh, I see. Missed your message about --force.
12:58<oweh>"dpkg --force-help" will give you the nitty-gritty here. But again: Normally no user serviceable parts in there.
12:58<raindev>And apt doesn't have a way to mask packages I guess to be excluded from any dependency computations?
12:58<oweh>not that I know of. This would defeat the purpose.
12:58<raindev>E.g. like Gentoo's /etc/portage/package.mask
12:59<oweh>If a package is declared a dependency, then it is needed for the operation of the declaring package.
12:59<raindev>Well, not if you know what you're doing.
12:59<oweh>Debian has Recommends: and Suggests: to declare non-strong dependencies.
13:00<oweh>Well, Gentoo being a Source distribution has more options than Debian, being a binary distribution.
13:00<raindev>I guess so. And unresolvable Portage dependency tree happens time to time.
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13:02<oweh>In Gentoo, every user is essentially a developer, choosing which features to enable. In Debian, this decision is made by the DD and recorded in the package meta-data, resulting in Depends:, Recommends: and Suggests:.
13:03<oweh>But even in Gentoo there are hard dependencies, for example if you mask GTK3, you won't be compiling Gnome stuff, because it obviously needs it.
13:03<oweh>Debian as a Distribution has the mantra of "enable all the things". Which sometimes create big dependencies chains.
13:03<oweh>This is just the way things work.
13:04<raindev>I understand that. And it makes sense. Just sometime you're pushed to not play by the rules.
13:04<oweh>Of course. In your case the real bug is in the third party package provider not doing their due diligence, creating a broken package.
13:05<raindev>E.g. on Gentoo you can always edit a package and remove dependencies as you please. Than see the build fail (or world burn).
13:05<raindev>oweh: I don't disagree.
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13:39<raindev>To follow up on my risky adventures: I ended up extracting list of dependencies of gnome-core and installing all of them (with gnome-software and tracker removed) which brought me where I wanted to get.
13:40<raindev>Thanks again to oweh (who just disconnected).
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13:57<furrymcgee>my shell commands get corrupted using sudo -C5 script 4<<.. but no problem with fd 0 http://paste.debian.net/plain/1059708
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14:02<rwp>Corrupted in what way? (The layers in that example pasted have me wanting to dig into it, but no time at the moment, but it looks fascinating.)
14:07<furrymcgee>some keys are ignored during input I dont know
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14:08<rwp>I didn't investigate but... That symptom feels like two processes reading from the same tty at the same time. That will have that effect.
14:11<furrymcgee>its not schroot same happens with bash
14:14<furrymcgee>I will use 0 for now, still curious
14:15<rwp>What to you mean when you say "use 0 for now"?
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14:17<furrymcgee>replacing the "4" with "0" in my script
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14:26<mnuhmnuh>i just found this ("GPU HANG") in journalctl - https://paste.debian.net/1059805/ (and /sys/class/drm/card0/error is empty).
14:26*mnuhmnuh i'll just do without glplanet.
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15:54<furrymcgee>rwp: If I understand correctly this is already documented in man script bugs
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18:27<Dxxt>Hello, i got two proccesses running all the time on a regular user. /lib/systemd/systemd --user and (sd-pam) is this normal?
18:29<petn-randall>Dxxt: I'd go with yes if you have working session management.
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