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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-01-12

---Logopened Sat Jan 12 00:00:17 2019
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03:52<mnuhmnuh>i finally got ~/.fehbg working correctly (not eventually clobbered by $whatever), so openbox startup is _perfect_. snoopydance, woohoo.
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05:57<kalos> /msg dpkg paste
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06:32<xxzz>hello, is Debian aide package same like Ubuntu version?
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06:52<datamke>itd bremner jimpop markvandenborre Hi guys, my prayers has been answered: https://salsa.debian.org/nginx-team/nginx/merge_requests/4/diffs Thank you for your help. :-)
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06:56<itd>datamke: Very nice. :)
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06:59<datamke>Now we just need to wait and hope they will merge it. :-)
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07:37<traumschule>this looks like a bug in python3-software-properties (triggered by apt) https://share.riseup.net/#C_thZqAnd3A4pqr5by5gqg
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07:39<traumschule>(happened only on first run)
07:40<traumschule>could be #867681
07:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/867681 in software-properties-gtk (open, d-i): «software-properties-gtk: trusted.gpg file created by this package produces gpg error for 'apt-get update'»; severity: critical; opened: 2017-07-08; last modified: 2017-10-19.
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07:58<traumschule>bad: E: The repository 'tor://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion/debian-security stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file.
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08:02<traumschule>better now, thanks!
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10:12<hazaardinari>hey guys
10:12<hazaardinari>i have a question
10:12<hazaardinari>if i type cd tiger
10:12<hazaardinari>and then press tab
10:13<hazaardinari>its supposed to autocomplete it right?
10:13<hazaardinari>to a directory available
10:13<hazaardinari>like tigervnc-1.9 (1).0
10:13<hazaardinari>right?
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10:15<jmcnaught>if there is a directory whose name starts with 'tiger' in the current working directory, then yes
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14:14*mnuhmnuh how many ways are there to run virtual machines? tigervnc, directvnc, gvnc, linuxvnc, novnc, ssvnc, x11vnc, xtightvncviewer, ... aii.
14:14<InvisibleRasta>any idea why this message is spamming in my xorg log Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front
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14:18<mnuhmnuh>dict gbm - "Generalised Bitmap Module (DLL, Windows, Linux, OS/2)"
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14:19<mnuhmnuh>generic buffer management API
14:20<mnuhmnuh>Generalized Boosted Regression Models
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14:36<rwp>mnuhmnuh, All of those are ways to run remote graphical desktops and none of those are virtual machines.
14:37<rwp>mnuhmnuh, For virtual machines libvirt is very popular. I am using it to manage KVM. Xen. LXC, LXD, Docker and also chroot are all other virtualization technologies.
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14:51*mnuhmnuh apt show libvirt-daemon - "This package contains the _deaemon_ libvirtd ..." # that's a new spelling.
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15:10<rwp>As you say "deaemon" is a surprising spelling!
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15:59<babilen>mnuhmnuh: It's a common spelling in the context of software
16:04<mnuhmnuh>No definitions found for "deaemon", perhaps you mean: gcide: Daemon wn: daemon foldoc: daemon deamon jargon: daemon vera: daemon moby-thesaurus: daemon
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16:27<ppc64>is there a recent test/sid installer for a ppc64 Apple PowerMac G5 ?
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16:45<mnuhmnuh>dunno. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
16:56<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/PPC64
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17:06<rkw_inspiron>mnuhmnuh: looks like they caught it in 3.6.0-1 https://salsa.debian.org/libvirt-team/libvirt/commit/f974bd9c0f140beea5857b00bd75c3998d109295
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17:30<mnuhmnuh>hypvervisors
17:30<mnuhmnuh>:-)
17:31<mnuhmnuh>document a fix, introduce error, fix error, document fix, ...
17:33<mnuhmnuh>that's a helluva word, hype vervisors.
17:34<mnuhmnuh>sublime, even.
17:37<ppc64>this https://wiki.debian.org/PPC64 is not useful .. there is no installation info there
17:38<ppc64>should be criminal to have a debian page related to an architecture with no info for installation
17:39<jhutchins>ppc64: The population of PPCs is getting pretty thin.
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17:39<jhutchins>ppc64: It's hard to find people to maintain the info.
17:39<ppc64>and yet Red Hat runs on IBM Power9 like mad and even runs the Summit supercomputer
17:40<sdk>ppc64: feel free to edit the wiki :)
17:40<ppc64>can't
17:40<ppc64>no access as a ordinary user
17:40<rkw_inspiron>mnuhmnuh oh nice I didn't see that
17:41<ppc64>anyways .. I have sid running on ppc but it is 32-bit world .. not 64
17:41<jhutchins>I know there was documentation out there somewhere.
17:41<jhutchins>ppc64: Same methods should apply.
17:42<ppc64>hrmmm .. however Debian 8.10 is the last install dvd out there
17:42<sdk>hmm the wiki is open to everyone normally
17:42<jhutchins>ppc64: Well, install that and upgrade.
17:43<ppc64>I did --> Linux eris 4.19.0-1-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.13-1 (2018-12-30) ppc64 GNU/Linux
17:43<ppc64>results is a 32-bit userland and a 64-bit kernel and .. just a weird mix
17:44<jhutchins>ppc64: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki
17:55<mnuhmnuh>ppc64: lots of people have said 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userland (or the reverse) performs better. ymmv.
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18:05<rkw_inspiron>mnuhmnuh this will teach 'em bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=919130
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18:11<mnuhmnuh>beating back entropy r us! my hero. :-) "spelling error?!?" some day, there may be no bugs, and then what're we gonna do?
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18:20<abrotman>ppc64: did you try asking the PPC channel?
18:22<abrotman>dpkg: powerpc
18:22<dpkg>PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
18:22<abrotman>see the channel at the end, though, no idea if it still exists on both networks
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19:03<Synthea>I've made a mistake in bumping to backports gpg packages, how can I turn them to stable?
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19:13<rmotao>Hi! Is it possible log in with 2 graphical desktop at same Debian?
19:13<mnuhmnuh>apt-get remove $pkg (-purge?) && apt-get install $pkg # ?
19:14<rmotao>I mean... I have a Debian with XFCE. This system has two account: user_A and user_B. user_A logged in using grahical enviromment. user_B can do the same?
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19:15<rmotao>at the same time that user_A?
19:15<mnuhmnuh>rmotao: sure. they both end up on their own tty/pty. DISPLAY=0.N?
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19:17<rmotao>user_A uses tty/1... I guess. user_B are not looged.
19:17<rmotao>and...
19:17<rmotao>how can I do this?
19:18<rmotao>CTRL+ALT+F8 doesn't show anything
19:18<at0m>rmotao: on kde/plasma, i could log in as yet another user on the next tty: first would be on tty7, next on tty8. not sure how it does that
19:19<at0m>not even sure if it's tty8, but Ctrl-Alt-F8 would take me there
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19:19<rmotao>ctrl+alt+F8 doesn't show anything... just strange a blink cursor
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19:20<rmotao>that don't obey any command.
19:20<rmotao>(really weird)
19:20<rmotao>you guys see the same at yours?
19:21<rmotao>anyway...
19:21<at0m>yes. ok, KDE did this from log-out/shutdown/reboot menu, there was an option "log in as another user" that would take me to that "tty8 desktop"
19:21<at0m>not on kde now so can't tell
19:22<at0m>i just wanted to confirm that it IS possible to get different users simultaneously on different tty/desktops
19:23<mnuhmnuh>rmotao: if you had a monster machine that your piddly desktop/laptop could use, *it* could do all the apps (displaying said apps guis on your desktop), leaving all local resources yours.
19:23<rmotao>I see.
19:23<at0m>how kde does it, or if xfce can, i don't know. maybe something for #xfce (on freenode?)
19:24<mnuhmnuh>rmotao: here, ctrl+alt+f1 gets to console, then alt-f2 to -f7 leads back to x.
19:25<rmotao>I know that... and else?
19:25<rmotao>I need lightdm to log in, right?
19:27<rmotao>I don't want log in at console session. I want log in at graphic session.
19:27<rmotao>with both users.
19:27<rmotao>at same time.
19:28<mnuhmnuh>lightdm, wdm, xdm, ... then tell monster down the hall to do $blah displaying its output on your DISPLAY, in your GUI (gnome, kde, openbox, ...).
19:29<mnuhmnuh>sory, i'm making it more complicated than it is.
19:33<rmotao>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
19:34<rmotao>I found this article at Ubuntu. I think this can be done at Debian.
19:38<rmotao>oops. This is not the same that I want. Article says two users with their own set of keybords/mouse/monitor. The article goes a little further that I want.
19:41<rmotao>I found it. Man... I feel stupid. It is so simple.... just @startx.
19:43<rmotao>sorry to bother you.
19:50<mnuhmnuh>do not be troubled. :-)
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