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---Logopened Wed Nov 02 00:00:43 2005
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08:25<linbot>New news from forums: Fax required Activation in Sales Questions and Answers <>
08:41<linbot>New news from forums: Diagnosing Slow Page Loads in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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09:27<JonR>host17 just blipped, but it's back
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10:39<kvandivo>anyone know off the top of their head how to change the munin update frequency? Such as making it do its thing every 10 minutes instead of every 5
10:40<@caker>um, change your munin-cron cron job?
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10:40<@caker>that's on the collector, not each node
10:41<bendy24>munin isnt a daemon, is it?
10:41<kvandivo>it is a daemon
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10:43<bendy24>config file somwheres
10:44[~]bendy24 runs
10:44<kvandivo>that's what i would have thought.. but its either a default with not config value specified, or not there
10:44<bendy24>run time option?
10:44<SupaZubon>munin runs from cron
10:44<bendy24>its teh Supa!
10:47<kvandivo>so it seems to
10:49<kvandivo>munin-node is the daemon that is always collecting some data, i guess.. and munin itself collects the data every 5 minutes.. i see now.. i'll get this munin schtuff figured out eventually
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11:56<futhin>so i moved a site to another server, same distro, copied the setup, pointed the domain at it, and i'm getting connection refused
11:56<futhin>whats going on
11:57<futhin>did i forget something
11:57<futhin><VirtualHost *> etc..
11:57<bendy24>how long ago?
11:57<futhin>i restarted the server too and all..
11:58<bendy24>give the domain time to change?
11:58<kvandivo>try it via ip
11:58<futhin>its already pointed at the server ( didn't change the dns server, just the ip the domain points to)
11:58<futhin>plus, both sites support the domain
11:58<futhin>so i should see something when i go to the domain..
11:58<bendy24>whats the ip?
11:59<bendy24>and the domain
12:02<bendy24>yeah, something is wrong with apache
12:02<bendy24>even the ip doesnt work
12:02<bendy24>is it even running?
12:02<futhin>woops heh
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13:18<[|^__^|]> <-- "For those of you who think the chosen names could be improved, you might be relieved to know that the "Breezy Badger" was originally going to be the "Bendy Badger" (I still think that rocked). There were others..." <-- bendy24
13:18<Beirdo>should use Bitchy Beagle
13:19<kvandivo>Beirdo: buy more real estate!
13:19<Beirdo>oh good GOD
13:19<kvandivo>you can never have enough
13:19<Beirdo>got enough stress with one mortgage starting up :)
13:20<[|^__^|]>and the housing bubble is about to burst
13:20<[|^__^|]>so suddenly you'll be paying too much
13:20<kvandivo>i'd like to invest in that crystal ball
13:20<kvandivo>because if you know, you're already a rich man
13:20[~][|^__^|] shorts kvandivo's housing
13:20<tjfontaine>if I were a rich man
13:20<[|^__^|]>I'll take put options on some condos
13:23<Beirdo>if I were rich, I'd have bought a bigger house :)
13:23<kvandivo> if you had a million dollars, you'd be rich
13:24<Beirdo>not for long
13:24<kvandivo>or so i hear
13:24<futhin>you would?
13:24<kvandivo>i have that on good authority, yes
13:24<Beirdo>the barenaked ladies, I assume?
13:24<kvandivo>of course
13:24<Newsome> If I had a million dollars (if I had a million dollars)
13:24<Newsome>I'd buy you a monkey (haven't you always wanted a monkey?)
13:24<tjfontaine>fiddler I presume
13:24<Beirdo>silly Torontonians.
13:25<gpd>So predictions for Ubuntu 6.10? Eager Eagle / Easy Egret / Effervesent Emu / Evangelical Eland / Evicerated Elephant...
13:25<Beirdo>Dumbass Donkey?
13:26<Beirdo>I dunno, I suck at coming up with names
13:26<kvandivo>Elated Eel
13:27<gpd>not that many animal names begin with E...
13:27<Beirdo>why use E then?
13:27<gpd>good point
13:27<Beirdo>Zonked Zebra
13:28<tjfontaine>Raped Rabbit
13:29<tjfontaine>Shagged Sheep
13:29<Beirdo>Gregarious Gerbil
13:29<gpd>dapper drake is the current unstable so I assmued alphabetical progression... but warty... hoary... breezy... dapper... is clearly not sequential - DOH
13:30<Beirdo>I like the "Shagged Sheep" option.
13:30<Beirdo>that would go over well in... Scotland
13:30<futhin>Shagged or Shaggy
13:30[~]Beirdo hides from any flying cabers
13:30<gpd>doesn't fit with the gramatical rule iirc
13:30<Beirdo>sure it does
13:31<Beirdo>adjective... animal
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13:32<gpd>adjective that describes the animal's mood ...??? maybe not... warty
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13:41<Beirdo>the wascally wabbit wan away?
13:41<efudd>Please move me to a new host.
13:41<[|^__^|]>efudd: you on host37?
13:41<efudd>yes i am.
13:42<[|^__^|]>load in the 20s and CPU at 93% wait?
13:42<efudd> 14:41:38 up 16 days, 3:18, 7 users, load average: 4.38, 2.83, 1.46
13:42<[|^__^|]>I get the same thing
13:42<[|^__^|]>someone on 37 tends to thrash burstily
13:42<efudd>fucking rediculous. I'm doing no fucking IO.
13:42<efudd>... I /can't/ anyway.
13:43<[|^__^|]>my tokens are at full
13:43<[|^__^|]>and yet I get no I/O
13:43<[|^__^|]>someone on 37 needs to be put on probation
13:43<Beirdo>one of my coworkers needs a smack
13:44<efudd>October 27, 2003
13:44<efudd>2 years now....
13:44<efudd>i'm so damned close to pulling the plug on linode. :?
13:44<efudd>Yes. MyOwnOpinion and all that. see /rant above.
13:44<efudd>Please tlel me you are a -192 or higher?
13:45<[|^__^|]>I'm a 320
13:45<[|^__^|]>or whatever that is
13:45<[|^__^|]>was a 256 before the upgrades
13:46<[|^__^|]>caker once came in here and asked me if I could tone down my load
13:46<[|^__^|]>I checked, and I wasn't making any
13:46<efudd>i'd upgrade to a 512 to stop this if he'd offer it
13:46<[|^__^|]>and that host has had some bad host kernel/hardware problems
13:46<efudd>last email requesting that got ignored (or lost i guess).
13:46<efudd>i used to be on host 3 or something
13:46<[|^__^|]>so I wonder if there is something on the host that's causing this
13:47<efudd>when my irssi window hangs.. well...
13:47<[|^__^|]>well, when SupaZubon times out, that's an issue
13:47<[|^__^|]>when [|^__^|] times out, it's usually firefox's fault
13:48<efudd>Support Ticket 15767 has been updated by 'caker'
13:48<efudd>Sorry, meant host53.
13:48[~]efudd boggle
13:48<@caker>efudd: there's another one before that
13:49<efudd>didn't get it(yet).
13:49[~]efudd prepares to shutdown
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13:50<[|^__^|]>er, why did he shut down?
13:50<[|^__^|]>is the host going down?
13:51<futhin>caker: so was someone hogging all the resources or something
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13:52<[|^__^|]> :: :: Load average WARNINGs: load is 28.02 (outside range [:10]).
13:52<@caker>futhin: the kernel is just acting odd .. heavy into swap (without overcommiting the box even), bugs in the io schedulers add up to slowness
13:52<[|^__^|]>usually munin doesn't get a chance to run until it's dropped back down to around 14
13:53<@caker>I've been testing 2.6.14-host
13:54<kvandivo>(that's why i dropped munin's updating back to every 15 minutes on my linode)
13:54<kvandivo>so it doesn't have to do as much
13:54<bendy24>kvandivo: i take it you figured out cron?
13:54<kvandivo>yes. :)
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13:55<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: ah, good idea
13:55<Beirdo>* * * * * echo "you suck" | mail coworker
13:55<efuddalso>beirdo, easier to just hit them with something.
13:55<Beirdo>true nuff
13:55<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: how did you do that?
13:55<kvandivo>granted.. from looking at the graphs right now, it looks like they aren't getting updated since i did that.....
13:55<kvandivo>i just changed the cron entries.. but apparently that isn't enough
13:56<kvandivo>all of my graph updates stopped as of when i did that.. the graph is still moving to the left.. it just has bunch of blank space at the end now
13:57<[|^__^|]>yeah, it has an implied resolution wotzit
14:03<[|^__^|]>I'm actually tempted to just shut munin off
14:03<[|^__^|]>it makes more load than it measures in the end
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14:05<kvandivo>yes.. its usefullness has been of dubious value to me as well
14:05<[|^__^|]>yeah, off it goes...
14:16<efuddalso>caker/mikegrb, I presume the data copy is in progress and not hung?
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14:20<@caker>efuddalso: it's moving
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14:20<@caker>efuddalso: 8G moved so far
14:23<efuddalso>obkb. :)
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14:29[~]efudd really needs his manager to stop sending him business email @ his personal account
14:39<bendy24>you like it orly, dont you?
14:40<dngrmouse>AMEX called me today about "Christopher S Aker" :)
14:41<efudd>caker, once again; thanks.
14:41[~]efudd shuts up for another few months
14:41<@caker>efudd: hopefully that'll be it...
14:42<dngrmouse>I'm sure you say it someone on but my linode charge was reported as a full name.
14:42<@caker>It's supposed to read shore net tech .. weird
14:43<dngrmouse>hmmm... odd indeed. now, I have to explain it to my wife. :)
14:44<bendy24>hes a goner
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16:46<alienz>Any reccomendations on a Wiki for a linode? maybe one that runs on SQLite? :)
16:47<@caker> <-- ?
16:47<@caker>mediawiki is good stuff
16:47<alienz>:) I am searching the forums
16:48<alienz>mediawiki runs on MySQL only it seems at first glance
16:50<TehDan>phpwiki is pretty light, and I think you can use sqlite (you can use flat files with it as well...)
16:52<[|^__^|]>mediawiki is a bear
16:54[~]caker just got xen3 and Linode to play along again
16:54<alienz>congrats :)
16:54[~]caker looks at todo list
16:54<TehDan>so public beta starts tomorrow?
16:54[~][|^__^|] hopes host37 does better with xen than UML
16:54<[|^__^|]>TehDan: haha
16:56<Battousai>pubic beta?!
16:56[~]Battousai freudian
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16:59<@caker>Linux version ( (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Tue Nov 1 14:48:50 EST 2005
16:59<@caker>Brought up 4 CPUs
17:00<TehDan>where did they come from?
17:00<[|^__^|]>TehDan: Shreveport.
17:00<Battousai>their cpu parents
17:00<Battousai>see, they were in love
17:00<[|^__^|]>TehDan: you see, when a mommy CPU and daddy CPU love each other very much...
17:09<tierra>they tend to overheat, sucks...
17:11<@caker>xennode:~/linux-2.6.14# make distclean; make defconfig; time make -j4
17:12<@caker>Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready (#1)
17:12<@caker>real 3m59.791s
17:12<@caker>user 8m49.490s
17:12<@caker>sys 1m18.660s
17:12<linbot>Kernel Build Times -- Host(noXen): 5m5.993s, dom0: 5m19.758s, domU(Xenode): 5m49.133s, UML(Linode): 15m24.464s
17:14<alienz>TehDan: phpWiki looks like it'll do nicely, plenty of options
17:15<TehDan>glad to be of service...
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17:38<LokiLV>does #linoe offer ipv6?
17:40<@mikegrb>the kernels have support
17:40<@mikegrb>so you can use a tunnel broker
17:42<LokiLV>have you ever done tunnels with OCCAID?
17:44<ronpoz_>What OS do the hosts run?
17:44<LokiLV>ronpoz_: the host base?
17:45<LokiLV>iirc it is redhat
17:45<ronpoz_>yeah like
17:45<ronpoz_>just curious
17:45<LokiLV>iirc it is redhat
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18:30<taupehat>oh my
18:30[~]taupehat got busted
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18:41<thelsdj>love this one:
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18:43<Guest16>Wow, so many people
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19:33<dngrmouse>are the subnets 70.x.x.x and 64.x.x.x on the same provider?
19:34<@caker>I believe so
19:35<@caker>(out of our IPs, anyway)
19:35<thelsdj>woo, ebay was dead in the water for 20 minutes
19:35<dngrmouse>or, am I trying to 'split access' or 'load balance' when I get two IPs on different subnets?
19:35<@caker>no, that was just the luck of the draw
19:35<linbot>... but that is a couple of days ago... like the 30th or the other thing, caker ...
19:35<@caker>forget that
19:35<@caker>linbot: sush
19:36<thelsdj>hehe good ol infobot
19:36<thelsdj>piping up at the worst times
19:36<taupehat>forget what
19:37<thelsdj>linbot: who?
19:37<taupehat>remember this
19:38<taupehat>linbot: thelsdj can be found in the subject of this discussion:
19:38<linbot>I don't have a clue, taupehat.
19:38<thelsdj>linbot: taupehat is the subject of this discussion:
19:38<linbot>Okay, thelsdj.
19:39<thelsdj>linbot: taupehat?
19:39<linbot>Somebody said taupehat is the subject of this discussion:, thelsdj
19:39<taupehat>dang it
19:39<thelsdj>or are
20:07<linbot>New news from forums: Which distro and the differences between each of them in General Discussion <>
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20:31<linbot>New news from forums: Multple IPs on FC2, route table sample (and the LARTC) in Linux Networking <>
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21:40<cmantito>what smtp daemon do you guys all like?
21:42<Battousai>postfix here
21:42<Battousai>anyone who says sendmail is a communist
21:43[~]cmantito is considering exim
21:43<@mikegrb>I use exim but postfix is good too
21:44<cmantito>can it output to maildir format?
21:45<bob2>any MTA can
21:45<bob2>as long as yo ucan tell it to use procmail
21:45<@mikegrb>or maildrop
21:45<@mikegrb>or any other mda that supports maildir
21:46<cmantito>thanks guys
22:02<tierra>I use qmail simply for the ease of configuration, but others would argue for it's security and speed... neither of which is a valid argument over postfix or exim under my circumstances, so ease of configuration won
22:04<bob2>how hard is it to configure to not send out bounces to random people when qmail accepts forged mail for users who don't exist?
22:04<@mikegrb>security and qmail don't mix
22:05<@mikegrb>and I doubt anybody actually uses qmail these days
22:05<@mikegrb>more like qmail + ajillion patches
22:05<@mikegrb>since it hasn't been maintained in quite a while
22:13<tierra>that's it... I've decided to stop using linux... look at the massive amount of patches! ... must be horrible
22:14<@mikegrb>except linux is still being maintained, qmail isn't
22:14<@mikegrb>nor is it free software
22:15<@mikegrb>so nobody else can take on maintaining it
22:15<psykoyiko>check and mate.
22:15<taupehat>was worried you were going on the road to a gpl jihad
22:15<taupehat>but nevermind =]
22:16<@mikegrb>well that keeps binaries out of debian
22:17<Battousai>mikegrb: i believe gentoo uses qmail
22:17<Battousai>or at least they did
22:17<Battousai>wouldnt be surprised if they still do
22:18<@mikegrb>that doesn't really suprise me
22:18<taupehat>consider where the founder of gentoo now works...
22:18<tierra>you're going to have to clear that one up... (the site) or are you saying the distro?
22:18<Battousai>actually, they use exim now
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22:18<Battousai>tierra: i'm saying the infrastructure
22:19<bob2>debian used qmail at one point
22:19<bob2>now there are a variety of Free mtas, tho
22:19<bob2>there's no real reason to use one that's a) unmaintained b) non-free and c) annoyingly configured by default
22:20<Battousai>the rockettes are going on strike?!
22:27[~]mikegrb rocks Battousai's vette
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23:12<cmantito>anyone here familiar with dovecot?
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