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---Logopened Tue Nov 15 00:00:06 2005
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00:00<[|^__^|]>anyway, it's not true spatial browsing
00:00<cmantito>breezy...that's ubuntu, no?
00:00<[|^__^|]>things don't stay put
00:00<[|^__^|]>yes.
00:00<cmantito>EW
00:00<[|^__^|]>let me guess: you use gentoo
00:00<cmantito>nope
00:00<[|^__^|]>you ought to
00:00<[|^__^|]>it would fit your personality
00:00[~]mikegrb guesses redhat or centos
00:00<cmantito>I'm all for gentoo, but I don't have time for compiling.
00:00<cmantito>mikegrb: nope.
00:01<[|^__^|]>SuSE?
00:01<cmantito>nope.
00:01<[|^__^|]>SCO Linux!
00:01<cmantito>ew
00:01<[|^__^|]>Linspire!
00:01[~]cmantito should be insulted by that one.
00:01<[|^__^|]>yes.
00:01<[|^__^|]>You should.
00:01<npmr>Mandriva
00:01<cmantito>no.
00:01<[|^__^|]>Please. be insulted
00:01<[|^__^|]>npmr: don't say slackware. It's actually likely.
00:01<taupehat>one of you goons version me or I'll start kicking shins
00:01<npmr>heh
00:01<cmantito>Slackware on my servers, and ArchLinux on my workstations.
00:02<cmantito>and OS X on the rest of my workstations.
00:02<@mikegrb>slackware, the best 1993 has to offer
00:02<npmr>the best 1995 has to offer
00:02<taupehat>hehe
00:02<taupehat>gawsh
00:02<cmantito>mikegrb, npmr, yup and good enough for the servers :)
00:02<taupehat>didn't know there were that many people in here
00:02<taupehat>shoulda done /names...
00:02<[|^__^|]>because auto-upgrades for security fixes are for wimps who will get all scaredy-pants when they're hacked
00:02<[|^__^|]>a Real OS just gets hacked, and you take it like a man
00:02<fo0bar>debian on servers, gentoo on laptops (and my media center), ubuntu on desktops
00:03<cmantito>[|^__^|]: err, no.
00:03<[|^__^|]>debian on servers, ubuntu on everything else
00:03<[|^__^|]>cmantito: better go shaboom then
00:03<taupehat>heh
00:03<[|^__^|]>alias shaboom='sudo sh -c "apt-get update && aptitude dist-upgrade && apt-get clean"'
00:03<taupehat>debian on servers, SuSE on desktops, OSX on laptops
00:03<taupehat>that's been my solution, and I like it
00:03<[|^__^|]>ha ha SuSE
00:03<taupehat>eh
00:03<taupehat>I've distro-whored enough
00:03[~][|^__^|] worked for SuSE USA once
00:03<cmantito>taupehat: nice choice on laptops.
00:03<fo0bar>boom shakalaka!
00:04<gpd>[|^__^|]: Dapper yet?
00:04<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: I know.
00:04<[|^__^|]>gpd: no, I wait until freeze to upgrade.
00:04<[|^__^|]>gpd: I stay with backports/updates/etc
00:04<taupehat>oh
00:04<[|^__^|]>or rather, I wait until the gnome release day
00:04<fo0bar>speaking of which, now would be a good time for backports.org to start up again
00:04<[|^__^|]>yeah it would
00:04<taupehat>anyone here know a good backports source for php for a sarge box? I'm bloody well SEGFAULTING my apache box right now on deb's 'stable'
00:05<[|^__^|]>wow
00:05<[|^__^|]>you sure you have security updates in there?
00:05<fo0bar>taupehat: I have about 20 sarge boxes running stable php, no problem
00:05<taupehat>yeah
00:05<fo0bar>but once sec, I have a source for php5
00:05<taupehat>updated as of an hour ago
00:05<taupehat>ahh
00:05<fo0bar>I don't really use it though
00:05<taupehat>hmm
00:05<taupehat>it's this silly blogware
00:05<taupehat>typepad
00:05<[|^__^|]>hahaha
00:05<taupehat>or whatever it's called
00:06[~][|^__^|] uses pyblosxom in batch mode
00:06<taupehat>I think I'm gonna roll my own and learn rails at the same time
00:06[~]cmantito wrote his own blogging software
00:06<[|^__^|]>it updates the static HTML pages
00:06<[|^__^|]>so you survive a slashdotting
00:06<cmantito>and when I post on it, it also posts to my livejournal & deadjournal.
00:06<[|^__^|]>and your mtime actually reflects the content
00:06<[|^__^|]>people can cache
00:06<[|^__^|]>etc
00:06<fo0bar>deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5.0 sarge
00:06<fo0bar>deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5.0 sarge
00:06<fo0bar>deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter pear-package sarge
00:06<fo0bar>deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter pear-package sarge
00:06<taupehat>fo0bar: THX
00:07<[|^__^|]>fweet
00:07<[|^__^|]>anyway, ruby on rails has some strong PR
00:07<cmantito>I've been meaning to get around to RoR
00:07<taupehat>I wouldn't care
00:07<fo0bar>on a related note, I love how he's a debian developer, but has the release/section parts backwards
00:07<[|^__^|]>I may look at TurboGears since that uses a language with useful libraries
00:07<cmantito>fer know, perl and php own me :)
00:07<taupehat>except that I've seen a lot of geeky people going nuts about rails
00:07<taupehat>so I oughta give it a shot
00:08<[|^__^|]>taupehat: yeah, it's a good amalgam of things
00:08<[|^__^|]>taupehat: and people are all scrambling in the popular languages to implement what rails gives you
00:08<fo0bar>whenever I hear "... on rails", I think of the quake railgun
00:08<cmantito>me too.
00:09<[|^__^|]>there are lots of bad ports, poor marketing attempts at binding shit with wire, and a few real gems that are providing nice idiomatic toolsets
00:09<[|^__^|]>I think about subways
00:09<[|^__^|]>but that's because I am a transit nerd
00:09<[|^__^|]>I also think about people complaining about a story-based game that is "on rails" meaning that you can't affect the plot
00:09<psykoyiko>turbogears is supposed to be the shit.
00:09<fo0bar>taupehat: there seems to be a php5.1 section too
00:10<[|^__^|]>psykoyiko: yeah, I've looked at a lot of cherrypy-based rails-wannabes, but turbogears seems to be making it all click
00:11<psykoyiko>but hey, I hear the mono asp.NET 2.0 stuff is getting good!
00:11<[|^__^|]>comedy.
00:11<taupehat>har
00:11<cmantito>ewww
00:11<cmantito>asp
00:11<[|^__^|]>cmantito: You big man you. You should posture more so that the chicks in the room can see how studly you are.
00:12<cmantito>[|^__^|]: uhh...what?
00:12<cmantito>on top of that, no chicks, thanks.
00:12<psykoyiko>what the hell's wrong with asp?
00:12<psykoyiko>web controls are HOT
00:12<[|^__^|]>cmantito: sorry, boys
00:12<cmantito>ASP makes me want to hurt myself.
00:12<cmantito>[|^__^|]: much better. now what the hell are you on about? ;)
00:13<psykoyiko>asp is powerful.
00:13<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search powerful | wc -l
00:13<[|^__^|]>481
00:13<[|^__^|]>^-- SEE HOW POWERFUL UBUNTU IS
00:13<cmantito>o.O
00:13<taupehat>apt-get moo, motherfucker!
00:14<taupehat>oof
00:14[~]taupehat should get some rest
00:14<cmantito>cowsay!
00:14<cmantito>cowsay moo!
00:14<taupehat>hehe
00:14<taupehat>nah
00:14<taupehat>try this one
00:14<fo0bar>ryan@cromulent:~$ apt-cache search powerful | wc -l
00:14<fo0bar>566
00:14<fo0bar>EAT IT UBUNGU
00:14<[|^__^|]>yeah
00:14<[|^__^|]>that's debian
00:14<taupehat> /exec -o cowsay OMGWTFBBQ | figlet -n
00:14<taupehat>dare you!
00:14<fo0bar>$ apt-cache search versatile | wc -l
00:14<fo0bar>70
00:14<cmantito>ps aux | figlet | cowsay | figlet
00:14<taupehat>hehe
00:14<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search framework | wc -l
00:14<[|^__^|]>564
00:15<[|^__^|]>^-- motherFUCK
00:15<psykoyiko>!!
00:15<fo0bar>hahaha
00:15<taupehat>grep -irw 'chainsaw' /usr/src/linux
00:16|-|Tzadik [~433e3534@linode.com] has joined #linode
00:16[~]taupehat notices all the linodes have begun thrashing
00:16<[|^__^|]>all?
00:16<[|^__^|]>or all on your host?
00:16<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: didn't mr. bad do a "debian is powerful" article for pigdog?
00:16<taupehat>dunno
00:16<taupehat>it got all quiet in here
00:16<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: no, for linux-elitists or crackmonkey I think
00:16<[|^__^|]>haha
00:17<fo0bar>http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/1088724859.12896.103.camel@unicorn.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us.html <-- there we go
00:17<Tzadik>well, i followed the advice (given here) to use postfix instead of sendmail
00:17<fo0bar>libgander0-dev: a half-built framework for goose-farming apps
00:17<Tzadik>and it is working fine
00:18<[|^__^|]>I love when people can't figure out that he's taking the piss, and end up arguing HEY WHO DECIDES HOW POWERFUL IT IS HU HUH?
00:18<fo0bar>I don't ever take him seriously, which I guess is his intention
00:19<[|^__^|]> a-remove: strip most 0x61 chars from an ASCII stream
00:19<[|^__^|]> firstthree: show first three frames in a MNG animation
00:19<[|^__^|]> libgander0-dev: a half-built framework for goose-farming apps
00:19<[|^__^|]> openoffice.org-bork: Swedish Chef l10n files for OO
00:19<[|^__^|]>^-- best. package. trolls. ever.
00:19<fo0bar>"we're pregnant" "yeah, ha ha, whatever"
00:19<@mikegrb>>ONE THIRD of the drinking water produced by $CompanyNamedAfterLondonRiver
00:19<@mikegrb>>is lost through leaky pipes before it can reach the end user.
00:19<@mikegrb>That's what we call "pre-emptive recycling".
00:19<[|^__^|]>my brother was with me when I first read this one
00:19<[|^__^|]>and he pointed out the first one
00:19<[|^__^|]>that it says "most" 0x61 chars
00:19<[|^__^|]>like
00:19<[|^__^|]>is it random?
00:20<[|^__^|]>I still laugh
00:21<fo0bar>oh heh, I kept reading that as "strip at most 0x61 chars"
00:21<fo0bar>as in "strip somewhere between 0 an 97 characters from the beginning"
00:22<[|^__^|]>haha
00:22<[|^__^|]>no!
00:22<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search simple | wc -l
00:22<[|^__^|]>1353
00:22<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search simple powerful | wc -l
00:22<[|^__^|]>74
00:22<[|^__^|]>^-- THE CREAM OF THE CROP
00:23<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search easy | wc -l
00:23<[|^__^|]>884
00:23<psykoyiko>[dave@doublethink(~)] apt-cache search cheese | wc -l
00:23<psykoyiko>1
00:23<psykoyiko>!
00:23<fo0bar>ryan@cromulent:~$ apt-cache search simple powerful cheap | wc -l
00:23<fo0bar>0
00:23<fo0bar>:(
00:24<fo0bar>guess you can't pick any two
00:24<[|^__^|]>deedeed root # emerge search powerful
00:24<[|^__^|]>Searching...
00:24<[|^__^|]>[ Results for search key : powerful ]
00:24<[|^__^|]>[ Applications found : 0 ]
00:24<[|^__^|]>^-- emad
00:24<psykoyiko>good one.
00:24<[|^__^|]>Poor Sun, a Solaris 9 OEM install has only a single powerful
00:24<[|^__^|]>program, and it's uudeview.
00:24<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: that would be because "emerge search" sucks ass
00:25<fo0bar>and yes, I'm ruining the joke
00:25<[|^__^|]>ha ha tomduffy: you searched for applications whose name contains
00:25<[|^__^|]>'powerful', which would surely indicate breathtaking hubris. What you
00:25<[|^__^|]>want is
00:25<[|^__^|]>emerge -S powerful | grep -c available 43
00:25<[|^__^|]>Of course this does take 30 seconds to run...
00:25<[|^__^|]>^-- fixing the joke
00:25<psykoyiko>I would say augmenting the joke
00:27<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search suck | wc -l
00:27<[|^__^|]>7
00:27<psykoyiko>ok, this troll has lost its steam.
00:27<fo0bar>gentoo's package systems needs a major overhaul. just fetch the ebuilds as they are needed
00:28<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(~)] apt-cache search troll | wc -l
00:28<[|^__^|]>230
00:28<[|^__^|]>^-- !!!!!!!!!!!
00:28<fo0bar>now, I'm all for keeping a 300MB portage tree... no wait, that sucks
00:28<Tzadik>but sendmail is still around
00:28<Tzadik>sort of
00:28<[|^__^|]>haha
00:28<Tzadik>i did apt-get remove
00:28<[|^__^|]>man
00:28<Tzadik>but it's still there
00:29<[|^__^|]>I wish sendmail would just go away
00:29<fo0bar>Tzadik: apt-get --purge remove
00:29<Tzadik>i get cron emails saying that there is an error
00:29<[|^__^|]>so that people would stop reading special pleadings rants about qmail
00:29<Tzadik>ok great i will
00:29<fo0bar>if you're already removed it, dpkg -P will clean it up
00:29<[|^__^|]>and going "OH GREAT QMAIL IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SENDMAIL I GUESS IT IS THE THING TO USE"
00:30[~]mikegrb would prefer sendmail to qmail
00:30<[|^__^|]>likewise
00:30<[|^__^|]>but I'm always amazed when people argue special pleadings in ignorance
00:30<fo0bar>my main reasons for using qmail: 1) I already know how to configure it, 2) I'm lazy, and 3) I'm a bastard
00:30[~]mikegrb would prefer death to sendmail
00:30<[|^__^|]>like "YOU SHOULD USE C++ BECAUSE IT IS BETTER THAN PASCAL"
00:30<Tzadik>dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove sendmail which isn't installed.
00:30<[|^__^|]>"um I use python and--"
00:31<[|^__^|]>"--BUT C++ IS OBJECT-ORIENTED!"
00:31<[|^__^|]>"Boy, where do I begin..."
00:31<fo0bar>EVERYTHING IS AN OBJECT
00:31<fo0bar>also
00:31<psykoyiko>look, all the world's problems can be solved by the c preprocessor
00:31<fo0bar>SNAKES ON A PLANE
00:31<[|^__^|]>SNAKES ON A MUTHAFUCKIN *PLANE*!
00:31<[|^__^|]>And there ain't a GOT-damn thing you can do about it!
00:32<Tzadik>i get emails like this:
00:32<Tzadik>Subject: Cron <smmsp@li9-10> test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp
00:32<gpd><random interjection>How to you convince aptitude curses to forget that it wants to uninstall all of gnome </ij> other than rm -rf .aptitude && not using aptitude curses in the first place... </wibble>
00:32<fo0bar>http://www.finnie.org/software/logger.py <-- probably the most useful python script I've made, before I forgot everything about the language
00:32<[|^__^|]>heh
00:33<fo0bar>it allows you to log to files, destriptors, or syslog... cascading log dependencies... and best of all, you write to something that looks like an open filehandle, no matter what the "backend" is
00:34<Tzadik>root has nothing in its own crontab
00:34<[|^__^|]>oh yeah
00:34<[|^__^|]>that's like one of yosemite's hacks
00:34<[|^__^|]>very cool
00:34<psykoyiko>BUT DYNAMIC TYPING SUCKS
00:34<Tzadik>how do you see all the crontabs for all the users
00:34<[|^__^|]>psykoyiko: I know.
00:35<Tzadik>(debian)
00:35<[|^__^|]>Tzadik: my guess is that what you're seeing is somewhere in /etc/cron.hourly/ or something
00:35<fo0bar>I also made a web server in python whose backend is CORBA
00:35<fo0bar>lord help me if it's still in production
00:35<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: sonofa...
00:35<[|^__^|]>fucking ORBs
00:35<[|^__^|]>because what the world REALLY NEEDS is to have SPREADSHEETS INSIDE YOUR E-MAIL PROGRAM
00:35<fo0bar>it was for $LIKE_3_EMPLOYERS_AGO
00:36<Tzadik>aha!
00:36<Tzadik>i found something in /etc/cron.daily
00:36<Tzadik>called sendmail
00:36<Tzadik>should i just move it out of that dir?
00:38<[|^__^|]>yeah, it's probably safe to move it out of the way
00:38<[|^__^|]>are those mails coming daily?
00:38<gpd>'Will free 864MB of disk space'... grr - even after rm -rf .aptitude
00:38<Tzadik>i did i find from /etc for sendmail
00:38<[|^__^|]>aha
00:38<[|^__^|]>cool
00:39<Tzadik>and i found /rc3.d/S21sendmail
00:39<Tzadik>./init.d/sendmail
00:39<[|^__^|]>huh
00:39<Tzadik>apt-get remove doesn't do a complete job
00:39<Tzadik>:)
00:39<Tzadik>just move all of those?
00:40<[|^__^|]>eh, those are harmless
00:40<[|^__^|]>the cron.daily one is probably your culprit, if you're getting the mails *daily*
00:40<[|^__^|]>22:38 <[|^__^|]> are those mails coming daily?
00:40<Tzadik>well i just got 2 so far
00:40<[|^__^|]>in how many days?
00:40<Tzadik>the first was tonight (half hour ago)
00:40<Tzadik>then the second was after i rebooted
00:41<[|^__^|]>hmmm
00:41<Tzadik>so it could be one was from daily
00:41<Tzadik>and one was from init.d
00:41<Tzadik>or rc3.d
00:41<[|^__^|]>possibly, although I believe debian distros run at rc2.d
00:41<taupehat>ok
00:41<taupehat>new knowledge in life
00:42<taupehat>when one has a broken thumb in a splint, and the splint starts itching really bad, it is NOT wise to remove the splint and resume typing!
00:42<Tzadik>well it's in rc2 .. rc5
00:42<[|^__^|]>hmmm
00:42<[|^__^|]>odd
00:44<Tzadik>well i guess it makes sense if i installed sendmail first
00:44<Tzadik>and apt-get remove does not completely remove
00:44<Tzadik>argg... i just got another email
00:44<Tzadik>but cron.hourly is totally empty
00:45<Tzadik>hmmm.... what is cron.d
00:45<Tzadik>there's a sendmail in there
00:48<Tzadik>i'm looking more closely at the email subject
00:48<Tzadik>it says Subject: Cron <smmsp@li9-10> test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp
00:48<Tzadik>so it looks like it is testing if usr/share/sendmail/sendmail exists
00:48<Tzadik>and it does
00:48<Tzadik>so it may be checking if sendmail is installed and it is deciding that it is
00:49<Tzadik>so what if I rename the /usr/share/sendmail directory ?
00:49<Tzadik>then it won't find it
00:49<Tzadik>will that break anything?
00:49<bob2>why does that dir exist after you removed sendmail?
00:49<Tzadik>very good question
00:49<Tzadik>what is wrong with apt-get remove?
00:49<bob2>nothing
00:49<bob2>if sendmail doesn't remove itself, that's a bug
00:50<Tzadik>ahh
00:50<Tzadik>could be
00:50<Tzadik>would it be safe to rename /usr/share/sendmail ?
00:50<Tzadik>(then remove it after a while if everything is working)
00:51<[|^__^|]>try "dpkg -l '*sendmail*'"
00:51<bob2>what does 'dpkg -l sendmail | tail -n1' print out?
00:51<[|^__^|]>okay
00:51<[|^__^|]>I think the trick is this
00:51<[|^__^|]>Tzadik: you were told to apt-get --purge
00:51<[|^__^|]>but apt-get thought it was done
00:51<[|^__^|]>try dpkg --purge sendmail
00:51<Tzadik>i think i did that
00:51<Tzadik>i will do it again
00:51<[|^__^|]>do you see what i am saying?
00:51<[|^__^|]>22:51 <[|^__^|]> Tzadik: you were told to apt-get --purge
00:51<[|^__^|]>22:51 <[|^__^|]> but apt-get thought it was done
00:51<[|^__^|]>22:51 <[|^__^|]> try dpkg --purge sendmail
00:52<Tzadik>it said: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove sendmail which isn't installed.
00:52<bob2>17:51:04 bob2 | what does 'dpkg -l sendmail | tail -n1' print out?
00:52<Tzadik>pn sendmail <none> (no description available)
01:01<Tzadik>ok i did:cd /usr/share
01:01<Tzadik>mv sendmail _sendmail
01:01<Tzadik>then rebooted
01:02<Tzadik>and i didn't get the cron email
01:02<[|^__^|]>hmmm
01:02<Tzadik>and i tested that postfix is still working
01:03<Tzadik>hope that does not do any damage
01:03<Tzadik>i recorded what i did, so i can undo it if needed :)
01:04<[|^__^|]>yeah
01:04<[|^__^|]>good practice
01:04<[|^__^|]>although in my experience, you could have safely deleted them
01:04<[|^__^|]>my favorite tactic is to move stuff into /tmp
01:04<Tzadik>this time, i also kept track of what i did to set up the linode
01:04<[|^__^|]>cool
01:04<Tzadik>unlike last time
01:05<Tzadik>i really hate figuring out the same work multiple times
01:07<[|^__^|]>haha yeah I know
01:07<[|^__^|]>I should find Rick Moen's list of tips for new sysadmins
01:08<[|^__^|]>he totally recommended keeping a notebook
01:11<Tzadik>yeah... nothing worse than hacking yourself into a whole
01:12<Tzadik>(i.e. messing up the system and not remembering how to undo it)
01:12<Tzadik>most things can be undone if you just keep track of what you did
01:13<Tzadik>or make backups of config files, etc.
01:49<[|^__^|]>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338153 <-- npmr: we're narrowing it down a bit
01:50<[|^__^|]>npmr: whoops, wrong bug
01:50<[|^__^|]>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334430 <-- real npmr-relevant bugz0r
01:55<linbot>New news from forums: limiting user privileges with phpmyadmin in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1955>
02:04<@mikegrb>better then my bug
02:04<@mikegrb>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338653 <-- hilarity
02:04<@mikegrb>unfurtunatly the package is unmaintained
02:05<[|^__^|]>heh
02:05<[|^__^|]>I'm really impressed with the postgrey maintainer
02:06<[|^__^|]>he totally tracked this down up the toolchain
02:06<[|^__^|]>without going "oh it's libdb's problem; they can deal with you! *PLONK*"
02:08<[|^__^|]>what I interpreted as silence was actually just they forgot to Cc me
02:13<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: Triplates?
02:15<@mikegrb>host ip, envelope sender, destination
02:16<@mikegrb>the package maintainer is the author of the softwares
02:32<[|^__^|]>ach, cool
02:32<[|^__^|]>like triple-tuples
02:32<[|^__^|]>ha ha
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06:38<punjabpete>Hi. I'm trying to order a Linode, but I want to make sure my phone number is correctly inputted. I'm in the UK, so am I right in thinking I need to put "01144" at the start of my phone number?
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09:50<eurozip>http://pastebin.ca/28802
09:50<eurozip>anyone got a clue?
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11:40<taupehat>mv /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/nofreakinwayman; ln -s /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/perl
11:45<[|^__^|]>as if.
11:45<taupehat>hehe
11:45<taupehat>wanna guess how many scripts running out of cron are perl?
11:45<taupehat>that would be an interesting way to find out
11:45<[|^__^|]>yeah
11:47<taupehat>whee!
11:47<taupehat>err
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12:50<linbot>New news from forums: Sticky: Free MySQL Database in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1460>
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13:57<@caker>wow .. this LCD is so much nicer than my old panasonic 21" CRT
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14:02<tjfontaine>21"!
14:02<@mikegrb>tjfontaine: it's not the size that counts
14:02<tjfontaine>it's the drule'y ness of your WM/DE
14:04<@mikegrb>or $PS1
14:04<@caker>tjfontaine: yeah, bought it in ... let's see ... 1995?
14:04<tjfontaine>oh good lord it lasted that long?
14:04<@mikegrb>har
14:04<@caker>I'm blown away .. this is nuts! 1920x1600 :>
14:04<@caker>yeah
14:04<tjfontaine>amazing
14:04<@caker>er 1920x1200 rather
14:04<@mikegrb>one of heidi's 17" montiros is that old
14:04<@mikegrb>the other is much newer
14:05<@caker>LCD rocks my socks
14:05<@mikegrb>it was a "broken" monitor that was given to me
14:05<Redgore>I want a couple of new monitor's
14:05<@mikegrb>very much functioning now
14:05<Redgore>fed up of my pathetic 15" tft
14:05<@caker>this LCD weighs about 1/10 what the CRT weighs
14:05<@mikegrb>it took extensive repairs
14:05[~]Redgore wants dual 19'2
14:05<@caker>1/5th the depth
14:05<Redgore>19's ^
14:05<@mikegrb>I had to insert a power cord into the back of the monitor
14:05<@caker>if not thinner
14:05<@mikegrb>and then into the wall
14:05<@mikegrb>and then press the power button
14:06<@caker>mikegrb: har
14:06<@mikegrb>I was pleasently surprised
14:06<@mikegrb>I took it hoping there would be a blown fuse or similiar
14:06<@mikegrb>turned out it was much easier
14:07<@caker>http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/images/products/large/24053YR.jpg
14:07<@caker>:)
14:07<@caker>$700 new; good deal from a friend of mine
14:08<fo0bar>caker: you suck
14:08<@caker>muhahaa
14:08<@mikegrb>connected via DVI-D?
14:08<@caker>mikegrb: of course
14:08<@mikegrb>mmm
14:08<@caker>weird. .. it does picture in picture
14:09[~]caker reads some docs
14:10<fredy_>I just booted my linode after signing up 15 minutes ago. Very cool.
14:10<@caker>fredy_: welcome!
14:11<fredy_>Now to figure out if I should partition this thing before building it up...
14:11<@caker>fredy_: you can do filesystem resizes after the fact, btw
14:11<fredy_>Via some web tool?
14:12<@caker>fredy_: yeah -- click on Disk Images, then the disk image title, enter new size, submit
14:12<fredy_>(I've used LVM on real servers, but have never been brave enough to resize in place.)
14:13<fredy_>So I could shrink my / partition with that, then build partitions for /usr, /var etc and move stuff to them?
14:14<@caker>fredy_: if you decide to partition, that's part of the process, yes.
14:17<tierra>might be switching out these (about 2 year old) 19" CRT monitors at work for some dual LCDs soon... probably 19" LCD
14:21[~]npmr wants fewer apostrophes
14:29<psykoyiko>are there backreferences in gawk?
14:29<npmr>http://www.oddcast.com/sitepal2/ <-- [|^__^|]
14:29<[|^__^|]>Yes.
14:29<psykoyiko>please demo.
14:29<[|^__^|]>psykoyiko: you have to use the proper sub routine though
14:29<psykoyiko>ah
14:29<psykoyiko>I'm using gsub
14:29<[|^__^|]>npmr: what am I looking at?
14:30<[|^__^|]>psykoyiko: there's another one that does backrefs
14:30<npmr>[|^__^|], talking heads for web sites
14:30<[|^__^|]>npmr: all I see is a puzzle piece
14:31<npmr>it's really bizarre
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14:31<npmr>some goofy thing you can put on a web site and it's an animated head that does text to speech on text that you give it
14:31<[|^__^|]>psykoyiko: try gensub. Also look at section 8.1.3.1 of the gawk texinfo docs
14:31<npmr>literally: talking heads for web sites
14:31<[|^__^|]>npmr: like that ananova site?
14:32<npmr>i must have missed that part of ananova
14:33<[|^__^|]>I never saw it myself, but I remember when they opened all the press releases were about how it was a site where a computer-generated woman named ana-nova read the news to you
14:33<[|^__^|]>I was in fact surprised to see text on an ananova link a while ago
14:33<npmr>http://www.ananova.com/video/ <-- this?
14:33<npmr>yeah, something like that
14:33<npmr>but a flash doodad
14:34<[|^__^|]>that's the face image that was in all of the press releases
14:34<[|^__^|]>it was like 1999
14:35<npmr>looks like ananova's s00per s3kr1t technology has been cloned, then
14:35<[|^__^|]>http://www.pigdog.org/auto/crazy_ivan/link/1646.html <-- okay, it was 2000
14:36<[|^__^|]>The digital broadcaster rocked back and forth with faux-human motions, moving her head in imitation of blinks and nods, and told me that the polar ice caps were melting. That a woman had disrobed in front of Bill Clinton ("HE was visib-ly sur-prised when...she...DISROBED.")
14:43<psykoyiko>[|^__^|]: gah, texinfo.
14:55<fo0bar>http://www.oddcast.com/sitepal2/whyuse/case/ <-- Goldfish Software LLC increased sales by 33% by annoying the hell out of their customers
15:02<@mikegrb>--
15:02<@mikegrb>"Rack mount machines look nice, no doubt about it, but they were never
15:02<@mikegrb>meant to be worked on. If the fellow who invented them were anywhere
15:02<@mikegrb>near me last night, he would be 1U high right now." - Tom Liston
15:03[~]BB wonders what his problem is with em
15:04[~]fo0bar has considered 1U boxes rather easy to work on
15:05<@mikegrb>I thought the making him 1U tall bit was funny
15:05<fo0bar>YOU WERE WRONG
15:06<@mikegrb>YOU WERE WRONG
15:06<fo0bar>el oh el zee
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15:13[~]BB is slow tonight... i only just got that
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15:28<ascott>hello. Anyone about? I'm looking to buy two linode 80s today. Any word on availability?
15:28<ascott>(page says today)
15:30<[|^__^|]>Holy cow!
15:30<[|^__^|]>Andrew Scott!
15:30<ascott>ci. who's this? :)
15:30<[|^__^|]>Nick Moffitt, Star of Stage and Screen!
15:30<ascott>ah, hahahaha. :)
15:30<ascott>cool. What are you doing?
15:31<[|^__^|]>I'm typing on teh InteRChat!
15:31<ascott>right right. but are you a linode customer or employee?
15:31<[|^__^|]>customer
15:31<efudd>dogs love trucks.
15:31<ascott>what do you have?
15:31<fo0bar>"unpaid advocate"
15:31<[|^__^|]>320 or whatever
15:32<[|^__^|]>zork is running on one now
15:32[~]efudd pondering upgrading at some point
15:32<efudd>so, uh, what happened to your filesystem?
15:32<ascott>oh, cool.
15:32<[|^__^|]>but it's on host37, which is wheezing a little
15:32<[|^__^|]>efudd: fsck did me right
15:32<[|^__^|]>just took half an hour, what with the I/O limiter
15:32<efudd>Ok. But what happened to it?
15:32[~]fo0bar still hasn't rebooted since caker pumped up the ram on all accounts
15:32<fo0bar>hence, I still have 192 :)
15:32<efudd>i gave in foobar.
15:32<[|^__^|]>efudd: uh, it was fixed?
15:32<efudd>(and i immedately started swapping. how odd is that.)
15:32<efudd>no no no. what caused the fsckin' corruption.
15:33<efudd>:)
15:33<fo0bar> 13:32:44 up 89 days, 2:27, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.12, 0.04
15:33<[|^__^|]>host37 crash
15:33<efudd>oic.
15:33<[|^__^|]>it was mostly deleted inodes sans dtime, etc
15:33[~]efudd nod
15:34<@mikegrb>fo0bar: I've got you beat by 20 days
15:34<@caker>ascott: hold a sec and I'll see if I can open a slot
15:34[~]mikegrb cackles and runs away
15:35<fredy_>I just created a disk image for tmp. Does it get a /dev name that I can mount on /tmp?
15:37<@caker>fredy_: edit the config profile -- you can place it at a dev node there
15:37<fredy_>Ah, got it.
15:37<fredy_>Tx.
15:37<linbot>New news from forums: Solaris 8 / PAM in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1956>
15:38<@caker>??
15:38<[|^__^|]>okay, off to do laundry
15:39<ascott>see you.
15:40<fredy_>Are we limited to 7 logicall devices, /dev/ubda thru /dev/ubdg?
15:43<fredy_>Never mind ... 7 would be enough.
15:45<tjfontaine>...
15:45<npmr>just use lvm, man
15:45<npmr>hey ascott
15:46<@mikegrb>fredy_: you can actually treat those disk images as hard drives rather then partitions and partition them if you need more
15:46<fredy_>LVM, yeah, I wondered about that.
15:46<npmr>you moving tathata to linode?
15:47<fredy_>mikegrb: I'll have to look into that.
15:47<fredy_>Can I run fdisk on a "hard drive image"?
15:47<@caker>yup
15:48<fredy_>cool
15:48<fredy_>I'm starting to get the zen here.
15:48<linbot>New news from forums: Google Releases Web Analytics in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1953>
15:48<npmr>fredy_, you can use /dev/ubda in all the same ways you can use /dev/hda
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15:51<@mikegrb>ascott: you are good to go
15:57<ascott>k. I'm all set up. But the seond linode 80 got taken before we could get it.
15:58<ascott>hi nmpmr.
15:58<npmr>hi
15:58<ascott>npmr. :)
15:59<tjfontaine>ink a dink a doo
15:59<ascott>hahaha. hey nate.
15:59<npmr>goose is, unfortunately, on a backwater private network now
15:59<npmr>but i've got everything except bbc builds running on a linode
15:59<npmr>;)
16:00<npmr>so let's see
16:00<npmr>you, me, nick, and dave are all linoders now
16:00<fredy_>Is there any point to using LVM on a linode? Seems like disk images already work kind of like LVs.
16:00<npmr>fredy_, symbolic naming?
16:00<fredy_>(Or like a PV, I suppose)
16:01<fredy_>npmr: ?
16:01<npmr>//dev/vggoodstuff/lv_porn vs. /dev/ubdc8
16:01<fredy_>got it
16:02<BB>i like the naming scheme there npmr
16:02<fredy_>Does LVM slow things down much? Seems like Yet Another Virtual Layer.
16:02<fo0bar>LVM can do snapshots, if you're so inclined
16:02<fredy_>I'm going to incline right now.
16:03<fo0bar>be sure to clean up after yourself
16:06<npmr>it's some overhead
16:06<npmr>i don't really notice it
16:06<npmr>but then i'm not using it on my linode, either
16:06<npmr>i'm not sure whether that would make a difference or not
16:07<npmr>i'm inclined to think not
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16:21<fredy_>Is there a config* file somewhere in my linode that shows the kernel config? I'm used to looking in /boot/config-* on debian.
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17:38<LokiLV>hallo when will linode 80s be avail?
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17:45<raven>i'm sure this is going to be a stupid question but i have done entirely way to much work to let this go
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17:45<raven>do you or dont you allow for irc web based chat clients to be run on your servers?
17:45<@mikegrb>we do
17:46<raven>thank you
17:46[~]BB returns from the poor ipv6 corner of the interweb
17:46<raven>thank god
17:46<@mikegrb>it's not forbidden in the tos and aup
17:46<@mikegrb>and as you can see, our own site has such
17:46<LokiLV> hallo when will linode 80s be avail?
17:46<raven>yes thank you
17:46[~]raven is off to register
17:46<@mikegrb>LokiLV: when someone cancels or upgrades
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17:47<LokiLV>so no ETA?
17:47<@mikegrb>not yet
17:47<LokiLV>it says for the 80s and 120s eta today
17:47<taupehat>...
17:47<LokiLV>but as you can see it is not there so just wondering
17:48<@mikegrb>that obviously didn't work out
17:48<LokiLV>also do you offer other payment terms then monthly and annually?
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17:55<@mikegrb>no
17:59<@caker>freaky .. tornados here in Nashville
18:00<@caker>been following the news for a few hours
18:02<LokiLV>hey caker how are you?
18:06<fo0bar>caker: those tornados will stalk you, send you threatening phone calls, then finally kill you and your entire extended family
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18:18<Witigonen>Hey all.. I'm having some trouble with imapproxy. It hangs on startup and never goes anywhere. How should I start diagnosing this problem?
18:19<Griswald>wtf
18:19<Griswald>as soon as I ban phpbb
18:20<Griswald>I get an unknown email :o
18:20<Griswald>not from any user on my machine, and it's broken english
18:20<@mikegrb>lolz
18:20<Griswald>lol
18:20<Griswald>From : Dragon <Draganus@t-online.de>
18:20<Griswald>Subject: PHPBB ERRo
18:20<Griswald>Hi \xE4mm... sorry i can not on you Side ask for you help.
18:21<@mikegrb>lolz
18:21<Griswald>lol
18:21<Griswald>[BUH-LEETED!]
18:21<Griswald>http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html
18:22<[|^__^|]>you banned phpbb?
18:22<[|^__^|]>what does that mean?
18:23<Griswald>I don't allow phpbb on my linode
18:23<Griswald>at all
18:23<Griswald>if a user uses it, they get their account deactivated on my node
18:23<Griswald>http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail127.html
18:23<Griswald>that one is HILARIOUS :D
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18:24<[|^__^|]>ah yeah
18:24<[|^__^|]>sorry, I don't do proprietary software
18:25<@mikegrb>lolz
18:25<Griswald>lol
18:25<@caker>PHPBB is GPL
18:25<Griswald>and extremely buggy :(
18:25<@caker>works for me
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18:26<Griswald>works if you keep it updated, etc :P
18:27<Griswald>buggy if you have users who never want to update
18:27<@caker>yup
18:27<Griswald>and if they refuse to update, I refuse to let them even touch it :)
18:28<BB>thats what the phpbb annoucne list is for ;)
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18:29<Griswald>again, thats effort on my users side that they won't do
18:29<Griswald>:P
18:29<BB>your users suck :p
18:30<Griswald>yip
18:30<Griswald>:)
18:31<npmr>it's buggy even if you update it
18:31<npmr>the bugs are what necessitate the updates, after all
18:32<Griswald>yip
18:32<Griswald>Certain users of my machine: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail3.html
18:33<[|^__^|]>adblocking *.swf oh whoa
18:33<[|^__^|]>the GNU flash library now plays homestar runner
18:33<[|^__^|]>wtf
18:34<[|^__^|]>when did that start working?
18:34<@mikegrb>lolz
18:34<Griswald>lol
18:35<[|^__^|]>it's not perfect
18:35<Griswald>homestar rules :P
18:35<[|^__^|]>like, you can see what he's typing before the cursor moves over it
18:35<[|^__^|]>but it plays audio and everything
18:35<[|^__^|]>creepy
18:35<@mikegrb>lolz
18:35<Griswald>lol
18:35[~][|^__^|] used to adblock *.swf
18:35<Witigonen>server_hostname in imapproxy.conf should be set to localhost, right?
18:36[~]npmr wishes he could right click on swf ads and "Block images from this server"
18:36<[|^__^|]>npmr: you can
18:36<npmr>eh?
18:36<[|^__^|]>npmr: adblock gives you a tab to click on
18:36<npmr>hmmm
18:45<Witigonen>I'm going to assume that I don't actually need imapproxy and just not use it.
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21:33<gpd>mikegrb: is your Mac slow as a goat recently? Damn thing is developing MacRot :(
21:34<@mikegrb>negatory
21:34<@mikegrb>did you upgrade?
21:34<@mikegrb>I haven't yet
21:34<gpd>hmm... yes.. 10.4.3
21:35<@mikegrb>10.4.2 here
21:35<gpd>is there a way to turn spotlight off... i suspect it is eveil
21:35<@mikegrb>what's your uptime? perhaps it's time for a reboot to take care of any memory leaky applications
21:35<@mikegrb>yes
21:36<gpd>uptime in 2 hrs after updating...
21:36<@mikegrb>system preferences, I'd imagine
21:36<@mikegrb>II think it has a pref panel
21:37<gpd>yeah, just turned off a bunch of stuff....
21:37<gpd>things like adobe acrobat reader 7.05 seem to just pause for ~20 seconds for no apparent reason :(
21:51<taupehat>heh
21:51<taupehat>load acroread with a load monitor running
21:51<taupehat>you'll see why it appears to pause
21:51[~]taupehat thinks it's bloody well compiling itself each time it's launched
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21:58<@caker>!quote goog
21:58<linbot>caker: The current price of GOOG is 392.80, as of 4:00pm EST. A change of -4.17 from the last business day.
21:59<[|^__^|]>I want to be able to take nice field recordings this weekend
21:59<[|^__^|]>mcm
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22:57<cmantito>I. absolutely. love. lish.
22:57<cmantito>What language is it written in
22:57<cmantito>?
22:58<npmr>perl
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22:59<Newsome>wouldn't that make it plish?
22:59<cmantito>heh.
22:59<npmr>only for people with a language fetish
22:59<Newsome>it's cakerlishious
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23:40<@caker>huh .. sourceforge got a facelift
23:44<encode>ahh so it did
23:44<encode>that was reported on digg.com the other day, but when i checked it was still the old skin
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