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00:24<Tzadik>hi there... got an apache question
00:24<Tzadik>don't worry... i've spent hours banging my head against it before resorting to asking
00:24<Ty>*drum roll*
00:25<Tzadik>i can't seem to get it to access anything in a subdirectory
00:25<Tzadik>of the doc. root
00:25<Tzadik>i keep getting "requested url ... was not found on this server"
00:26<Tzadik>i don't have that problem on my first linode
00:26<Tzadik>only on the latest one
00:26<Tzadik>do you have to do anything special in the httpd.conf to get it to go into subdirectories?
00:26<Tzadik>as a result, it's not picking up any images, since they are in /images
00:27<Tzadik>it's only seeing what's in the doc. root itself
00:27<Tzadik>in case it matters, i'm using virtual servers on this linode
00:27<Tzadik>whereas on the first, I'm not
00:28<Tzadik>ever heard of this problem?
00:29<Ty>I'd try asking when there's more people active, heh.
00:31<Tzadik>i wish i was not active right now
00:31<Tzadik>but i can't stand going to bed with a problem unsolved
00:31<Tzadik>bad habit
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00:39<Tzadik>npmr... got any ideas?
00:39<npmr>what's your DocumentRoot for the vhost you're trying to reach?
00:39<Tzadik>it's /var/linode/www
00:39<npmr>and that path exists?
00:40<Tzadik>yes... i can hit files in there fine
00:40<npmr>files but not directories?
00:40<Tzadik>it's just the subdirectories that don't show up
00:40<psykoyiko>so, um
00:40<Tzadik>by the way, the same thing is hapenning in /var/www
00:40<psykoyiko>what are the permissions on said subdirectories?
00:41<npmr>hi dave
00:41<Tzadik>right... it's working fine on another linode i have
00:41<npmr>Tzadik, anything in your error log?
00:41<Tzadik>except the one it's working on does not have virtual servers
00:41<Tzadik>good idea
00:43<Tzadik>the error log has errors like:
00:43<Tzadik>File does not exist: /usr/share/images/foo.gif
00:43<Tzadik>so it's somehow looking in the wrong dir!!
00:43<Tzadik>so i made 2 blunders in my troubleshooting
00:43<Tzadik>1- not thinking to check the error log
00:43<npmr>check for "Alias" directives
00:44<Tzadik>2- always trying the same subdir (images)
00:44<npmr>it'd be like:
00:44<npmr>Alias /images/ /usr/share/images/
00:44<npmr>i may have those backwards
00:45<npmr>nope, i had it the right way around
00:46<Tzadik>yes!!!! it's working!!!!
00:46<Tzadik>i commented out the alias
00:46<Tzadik>thanks so much!!!
00:46<npmr>good move
00:47<Tzadik>pretty newbie mistake to make... not looking in the logs
00:47[~]npmr shrugs
00:47<Tzadik>ok thanks
00:47<npmr>happens to the best of us
00:47<npmr>and you're welcome
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03:28<tekmav>caker or mikegrb: are we having some technical difficulties? i cannot login via the linode website, but i can with lish. i cannot restart my linode
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04:37<bbtux>Hi.. all, I have a problem setting up my new Linode disk.. trying to setup a minimal debian 3.1 but when I boot it fails
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04:38<bbtux>I tried with the 2.4.29-linode39 and kernels
04:38<bbtux>can some one please help
04:41<tekmav>are you getting any error messages when you are connected via lish?
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04:44<bbtux>tekmav: didnt try lish. I used the ssh client
04:44<bbtux>do i need to goto single user mode for that?
04:45<cast>alright, having mild issues logging into the site. under the forgotten password dialog is 'Invoice or Payment ID' the same as the 'Payment Number: #####' that one gets in the Payment Receipt emails?
04:46<tekmav>cast: glad to see i am not the only one having problems logging in
04:46<cast>tekmav: ahh, here i was thinking my [saved] password had magically changed :\
04:46<tekmav>bbtux: you should be able to ssh to the host with your username/password and watch the console as it boots
04:47<cast>i won't worry about this for today if someone else is having the same problem :>
04:47<tekmav>cast: yeah, i was trying to reboot my linode and it would not come back up. tried going into the website but could not login. i sent an e-mail in since i could not make a trouble ticket
04:52<tekmav>cast: are you able to hit lish with ssh?
04:52<cast>never used lish
04:52<cast>servers still running fine though
04:53<bbtux>Ok logged into list and i got the # prompt
04:53<bbtux>then i tried turning on the machine but it failed
04:53<tekmav>lish is working for me still with my password just cannot boot up and my pass will not work on the website
04:53<bbtux>lish] There is no screen to be resumed matching thinckuber.
04:53<bbtux>Your Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active.
04:54<tekmav>bbtux: at the prompt type boot then return to twice to connect to the console and see if you get anything
04:55<bbtux>[thinckuber@host55 lish]# boot
04:55<bbtux>[thinckuber@host55 lish]#
04:55<bbtux>[thinckuber@host55 lish] There is no screen to be resumed matching thinckuber.
04:55<bbtux>Your Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active.
04:56<bbtux>btw this is the first time i am doing this. I setup using the wizard a debian sarge minimum with the default hard disk images (2 - root and swap)
04:56<tekmav>what host are you on?
04:58<bbtux>The host message on the interface is..
04:58<bbtux>Host Message Account suspended. Job aborted
04:59<tekmav>i think they are having some technical difficulties. you may be suffering from the same problem i am having, although i am on hos45
05:05<bbtux>i am on host55
05:10<tekmav>again, i think it is a technical issue and not your setup. give it an hour or two then try again.
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05:24<@caker>I did a bad thing. I think it's fixed for mostly everyone now
05:26[~]tekmav grins evily at caker. "Did you mislabel plug the servers and the coffee pot in the same outlet again?"
05:27<tekmav>er scratch the mislabel. was trying to two wisecracks at once
05:27<@caker>Try not highlighting ALL of the query I ran earlier (I missed the freaking WHERE clause) ....
05:28<tekmav>that would do it. WHERE? Not here? Maybe over there? Did you check under that rock?
05:28<bbtux>yeah its working now
05:28<tekmav>i've done that a few times too, no worries
05:28<@caker>I have daily backups, but was able to run some fancy queries to fix my goof ...
05:29<tekmav>well it all seems groovy now
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05:30<tekmav>you can just ignore the virus i e-mailed you now
05:34<cast>sweet, working.
05:35<tekmav>too bad it did not magickally fix my qmail issue
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06:13<bbtux>hi.. just wondering if Linode provides dns servers...primary or secondary?
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06:24<bbtu1>hi.. just wondering if Linode provides dns servers...primary or secondary?
06:24<tekmav>bbtu1> i recommend using
06:24<tekmav>its free and works great for me
06:26<bbtu1>thanks for te tip
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07:02<tronix>Dear Host28 CPU Pig, please quit hogging things!
07:02<tronix>0700 then 0800...
07:03<tronix>5-10 mins to wait for shell to return. let's see if it happens again at 0900 ;)
07:03<tronix>(io_status shows 0 tokens used, and uptime shows load at 15+ by time I get a prompt again)
07:04<tronix>with none of my tools hogging the CPU, so pretty sure it's a hog in another Linode on same host.
07:04<cast>then why is your load up?
07:04<tronix>load average shows what's on host.
07:04<tronix>another linode chewing through CPU
07:05<tronix>it's a shared resource.
07:05<cast>where are you getting this load average from? :\
07:05[~]cast is missing something in this plot
07:05<cast>from your own linode?
07:05<tronix>when I get a shell back :)
07:06<cast>i was under the impression load averages for a linode were for that linode, rather then he whole host
07:07<tronix>could be someone is swap-thrashing.
07:07<tronix>which likely explains the huge disk i/o hit
07:07<tronix>(one of my files being written, 2K file, from 10 mins ago hasn't finished yet)
07:08<tronix>swap thrashing also has a side effect of resulting in high load too
07:08<cast>so when my uptime says 08:07:55 up 50 days, 6:19, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
07:09<cast>that means the entire host is hardly being used?
07:09<tronix>that's my impression. I could be wrong, though.
07:10<tronix>average Linode probably isn't cpu hungry. couple idle cycles listening
07:10<tronix>on various ports
07:10<tronix>I've seen loads of 7-10+ in past, even when none of my processes
07:10<tronix>were eating much CPU (from ps -efl output)
07:11<tronix>ditto swap usage or io_status tokens
07:14<tronix>heh, still out to lunch, 15 mins later. naughty swap thrasher, whomever it is. ;)
07:14<tronix>sent in a ticket.
07:14<cast>my brief search just then shows that the Host load going from low to medium did not change my load avg's of 0.00
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07:16<tronix>hmm. all can say is that ps -efl didn't show CPU hogs on my linode
07:16<tronix>not just % of CPU but also total accumulated time
07:17<tronix>had it been hogging CPU, latter would also have run up impressively
07:17<cast>hmmm :/
07:17<tronix>most likely mem shortage on another linode
07:17<tronix>doesn't really hog cpu *per se*
07:17<tronix>mostly slams I/O
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07:24<jlinos>anybody knows what is happening with
07:25<jlinos>i have a linode there that just doesn't reboot any more
07:25<tronix>same problem here...
07:25<tronix>think another linode is swap-thrashing
07:25<tronix>not much can be done (if that's case) until caker or mikegrb looks
07:26<tronix>and i/o-limits the thrasher
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07:27<jlinos>hmm, that is too bad, i assume it is night there in america where caker resides, it can be 4-5 hours untill he gets up
07:27<tronix>it's morning now.
07:28<tronix>about 8:29am Eastern time
07:28<tronix>might be up soon.
07:28<jlinos>aa, perfect
07:28<jlinos>do you happen to know what he checks first ? an email, this channel, the forums ?
07:29<tronix>not sure. but do have a support ticket already submitted
07:29<tronix>so they'll probably see it here or in support tickets
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07:49<cinnamon>Morning - any known probs with host 28 at all, cos I can't SSH to it, and it seems to be taking an age to reset my pass/reboot etc?
07:51<tronix>think it's a swap thrasher, possibly
07:51<tronix>can't do much til caker/mikegrb looks.
07:51<cinnamon>Ahh, buggery :/ Cheers
07:51<tronix>aye :) sorry. :(
07:51<@mikegrb>on ticket update
07:51<tronix>i'm in same boat if it helps, cinnamon
07:51<cinnamon>Will park up here for a while then
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07:52[~]cinnamon passes out the biscuits - chocolate anyone?
07:52<tronix>hahaha :)
07:52[~]tronix nibbles on tasty chocolate biscuits
07:54<jlinos>i am still here tronix, wondering if i can do anything to raise up my linode, looked into lish, they say it is as if you have a keyboard and a screen in front of your linode, maybe i see some message errors
07:54<jlinos>unfortunately that lish thing doesn't work either
07:55<tronix>the Linode folks do a fine job on the whole.
07:55<tronix>this is just...
07:55<tronix>one of the achilles heels.
07:55<tronix>they do partition out CPU and I/O usage
07:55<tronix>but it's not 100% a 'complete brick wall'
07:55<tronix>between each Linode
07:56<tronix>so there's a small window where 'malcontents' can cause problems.
07:56<jlinos>yeap, i know, i had very few problems with them since i started
07:56<tronix>(same here)
07:56<tronix>so I don't mind too much for rare problems.
07:56<jlinos>1 year and 3 months, and only 2 issued untill now, this is the third
07:57<tronix>aye, about same amount for me, too.
07:57<tronix>most of the issues has been related to silly ThePlanet data center/centre techs :-)
07:58<jlinos>yeah, remember the day when there was a power outage thing, even didn't work
07:58<tronix>heh, memorable.
07:58<tronix>never seen IRC so active. ;)
07:58[~]tekmav screams into the morning. damn qmail.
07:58<jlinos>yeah, me too :)
07:58<tekmav>anyone here using qmail, vpopmail on gentoo?
07:58<jlinos>i think there were 1000 users on this channel that day
07:59<tronix>tekmav: I use gentoo, but not either tool. I used both once on Gentoo (non-Linode)
07:59<tronix>for a friend I was helping out with
07:59<tronix>was a while ago.
08:00<tronix>only thing I remember is I found a small bug relating to
08:00<tronix>how ebuild was built for vpopmail and user passwords
08:00<tronix>so had to redo with a custom ebuild for a changed option and redo user passwords
08:01<tekmav>everything is working grand except for damn smtp
08:01<tronix>hmm. how so?
08:02<@mikegrb>that fact that qmail is 8 years old with no changes doesn't help
08:03<tronix>it's usually the colorful personality of its author
08:03<tronix>that most people seems to take umbrage at ;)
08:03<tekmav>either i am getting an issue stating that my server is not in rcpthost file or when i attempt authenticate i just a nada just connection failed
08:03<@mikegrb>that doesn't help either, but no need to poke fun at him when the software is so easy to
08:04<tronix>tekmav: hmm, are all of names for your server listed in rcpthost?
08:04<tekmav>tronix: yep.
08:04<tronix>might have to strace a connecting qmail session or something
08:05<tronix>to see if it's checking that file
08:05<tronix>strace -f -p <pid> or some such
08:05<tronix>or up debug log level (if possible)
08:05<tronix>I'm just rusty with qmail because I normally use postfix (or sendmail at work)
08:05<@mikegrb>linodes comming back up now
08:07<tekmav>i argued with myself about postfix or qmail. it just seemed the documentation for gentoo forums for qmail was a little more par.
08:08<jlinos>tronix, i found on forums that on newer servers there was a pathced kernel that as this post says , i quote: The newer hosts have CFQ on the host kernels, which from what caker has said, has a good effect
08:08<tronix>tekmav: that's true.
08:08<jlinos>out host28 linode has this newer and better kernel ?
08:09<tronix>I've only had to set up postfix with trimmings once and forgot about it, so good deal for me.
08:09<tronix>tekmav: I did ok with following general postfix config tips; most of it isn't Gentoo specific. mostly have to edit, and pretty much it.
08:10<tronix>but did ok with qmail too the one time I used it for a friend's debugging
08:10<tronix>jlinos: ah! forgot about CFQ. that's a good question (host28); mikegrb would probably know.
08:11<jlinos>he is online, maybe he can tell us live here
08:12<jlinos>mikegrb: does host28 has CFQ, and if not is there an upgrade planned ?
08:12<tronix>yay, my linode's up on 28 :)
08:12[~]tronix goes to finish that email, which hung at the final :wq! earlier
08:13<bendy24>mikegrb: host 0 is having trouble?
08:16<jlinos>actually host28 is an old one, i think the distributions installed there have all the crontab problem, starting all at the same hour updatedb and every day that is
08:17<jlinos>i should put a post on the forums for the host 28 members
08:19<cinnamon>Aye, please do, but please put it in English for the not so tech-knowledgable (ie me) among us :)
08:20<jlinos>my linode is still down :(
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08:20<jlinos>now it is up :)
08:21<@mikegrb>jlinos: updaedb shouldn't be a problem
08:26<jlinos>then what happened ? what caused this service interruption ?
08:27<@mikegrb>syslogd + cron
08:27<@mikegrb>what it looked like
08:27<jlinos>anything we can do , so it won't hapen in the future ?
08:27<@mikegrb>not really
08:28<@mikegrb>updatedb problems might be better
08:28<@mikegrb>we put in a helper script that disabled updatedb unless turned off, don't know if host28 had been rebooted since then
08:46<tekmav>tronix: four score and nine cigarettes later. i figured out the issue for smtp. it was thunderbird wanting to authenticate one way and not the other.
08:48<tekmav>bye every1
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09:02<@mikegrb>efudd: From: Borked Pseudo Mailed <> <-- you should complain to his news service
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09:04<@mikegrb>broked vs borked
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10:26<cristi>For theLinode 120 account are database limitations?
10:27<chris>You can install pretty much whatever you want
10:30<cristi>Can you set up a CPanel or Plesk aplication for non-experienced Linux users to manage the server?
10:35<bendy24>you can use webmin
10:36<@mikegrb>or plesk or cpanel, you can install anything you want
10:38<cristi>Webmin comes by default?
10:39<cristi>sorry if I ask too many questions..I want to set up an account and I am new
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10:48<bendy24>mikegrb: i want to use you
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11:13<[|^__^|]>Wow, we haven't swapped yet
11:13<[|^__^|]>Mem: 316616k total, 275896k used, 40720k free, 5404k buffers
11:13<[|^__^|]>Swap: 263160k total, 0k used, 263160k free, 46336k cached
11:13<[|^__^|]>laptop mode is actually working
11:20<Ximbiot>laptop mode?
11:21<[|^__^|]>tells it not to swap until it absolutely has to
11:21<Ximbiot>what's it do? (googling)
11:22<[|^__^|]>09:21 <[|^__^|]> tells it not to swap until it absolutely has to
11:22<[|^__^|]>in /etc/sysctl.conf
11:22<Ximbiot>why is that called laptop mode?
11:22<Ximbiot>ah. battery life.
11:22<[|^__^|]>because laptops use it to save battery power
11:22<Ximbiot>good for linide too.
11:22<Ximbiot>er, linode. :)
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11:36<fredy_>Running 'reboot' from the shell seemed to hang my linode.
11:37<fredy_>Must reboot be done from the web UI?
11:37<@mikegrb>doesn't hang it, just shuts it down
11:37<@mikegrb>from the web or from lish
11:38<fredy_>Right. So why does 'reboot' have the same effect as 'halt'?
11:38<@mikegrb>the host has to do things between boots
11:39<fo0bar>fredy_: it's a limitation of UML, unfortunately
11:40<@mikegrb>fo0bar: no, not a limitation of uml, just our implementation
11:40<fredy_>Thanks for the URL mike. I wondered what 'lish' was.
11:41<@mikegrb>fredy_: you can add an ssh key for lish access from the website
11:41<@mikegrb>then alias reboot= ssh reboot
11:41<@mikegrb>then typing reboot from your linode will preform a reboot
11:44<fo0bar>mikegrb: buh? "reboot" on any uml client I've tried has just exited the kernel
11:44<@mikegrb>fo0bar: where those kernels from caker?
11:44<fredy_>Is it normal for /var/log/dmesg to have a bunch of "Can't open "<NULL>": errno = 14" lines?
11:44<@mikegrb>fo0bar: he has them patched
11:45<@mikegrb>fredy_: most likely, what's the line before?
11:45<fo0bar>mikegrb: no, regular -um kernels
11:45<fredy_>ubd7: Can't open "<NULL>": errno = 14
11:45<@mikegrb>fo0bar: as far as I know that's not the case, hasn't been for other people anyway
11:45[~]fo0bar checks
11:46<fredy_>I get 16 of those for each of ubd3 through ubd7.
11:46<@mikegrb>the kernel is trying to probe those devices but they don't exist
11:46<fredy_>OK. Just checking that I didn't hose things up.
11:50<fo0bar>mikegrb: well I'll be damned. I guess I'm just used to typing "halt" no matter what when I'm in UML
11:50<@mikegrb>you are warped
11:50<fo0bar>os/2 warped
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11:56<cinnamon>Hiya - host28 having probs again?
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12:10<jlinos>my linode on host28 is down, anyone has an explanation ?
12:10<cinnamon>hey jlinos
12:10<cinnamon>Mine's down too
12:10<@caker>we're working on it
12:11<cinnamon>Cool - anyone for tea while we wait?
12:11<jlinos>see also that it won't happen again, it was down 3-4 hours ago too
12:19<linbot>New news from forums: Google Releases Web Analytics in General Discussion <>
12:25<linbot>New news from forums: Host28 Problem in System and Network Status <>
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12:48<fredy_>If I boot single-user, how do I access the console?
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12:52<@caker>fredy_: via Lish
12:53<fredy_>Where do I find my hostXX name?
12:53<@caker>on the Overview page or cat /proc/cpuinfo
12:54<fredy_>got it . thanks.
12:54<FireSlash>Something may be wrong with me....
12:55<FireSlash>Instead of using EditPlus's built in FTP file editor magic thingy, I'm being "lazy" and editing my files in vi.
13:03<fredy_>Ah, crap. I should have saved some space for a backup-root disk image.
13:06<FireSlash>You can always resize your primary or swap partitions later if you need .
13:07<fredy_>I used all remaining space for an LVM partition. I don't think I can resize that without rebuilding all the LVs.
13:08<fredy_>I suppose I could use the swap device as a temporary backup root.
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13:12<adamg>most people do
13:17<linbot>New news from forums: Host28 Disk Failure / Migration Information in System and Network Status <>
13:18<anderiv>is it possible to have more than one linode associated w/ a username?
13:18<@caker>anderiv: not at this time
13:19<anderiv>caker: mmmkay. I'm outgrowing my 80 and would like to upgrade to a 120 on the annual payment plan...what's the best way to do this?
13:19<@caker>anderiv: submit a support ticket and we'll set up a migration for you
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13:21<anderiv>caker: great! thanks. Will I still be able to get in on the extra disk space if I pay annually? Or is that for new customers only?
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13:22<@caker>anderiv: absolutely
13:22<@caker>(you can get it)
13:22<anderiv>caker: right
13:23<anderiv>caker: and I assume the IP and disk images transfer over as well? Or will I need to re-build the machine.
13:23<@caker>anderiv: everything moves over, then you'll resize to occupy the new space, and boot up ...
13:23<anderiv>caker: great - thanks for the quick response. I'll submit a ticket shortly.
13:23<@caker>anderiv: also, you can migrate when you're ready ... it's just a new button that appears in the LPM (The Magic Migrate button)
13:31<anderiv>caker: that was quick...thanks!
13:31<@caker>anderiv: np
13:32<anderiv>caker: when will that get billed?
13:32<@caker>anderiv: on the 1st
13:32<anderiv>okay - thanks
13:33<anderiv>I assume the migrate does something like: 1) shutdown 2) copy images and configuration to new host 3) boot?
13:34<@caker>Well, you need to issue the boot, but yeah
13:34<anderiv>okay - so it would be best to wait and do the migrate late evening.
13:34<@caker>that's up to you
13:34[~]anderiv is just talking to himself :-)
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13:36<dilcher>anyone know where the config file is that iptables loads when a Gentoo system boots?
13:36<@caker> ?
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13:43<dilcher>ok, looks like /etc/conf.d has a file that contains a pointer to /var/lib/iptables/rules-save.
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13:54<@caker> slow to respond, or is it just me?
13:55<anderiv>caker: I was just going to mention something about that.
13:56<anderiv>seems a bit better now...
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14:08<tronix>dilcher: it gets created when you run /etc/init.d/iptables save
14:09<tronix>caker: seems like a rash of recent drive failures. hope you've got a pallet of new drives. ;)
14:09<@caker>tronix: just one new one .. the rest were less recent
14:09<@caker>and I do :)
14:09<tronix>hahaha cool
14:10<fo0bar>caker: you may want to install one of those tinyurl programs and feed it to linbot
14:10<linbot>No idea.
14:11<fo0bar>linbot: you are not part of this conversation
14:11<linbot>But you are Bob, fo0bar.
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14:12<@caker>fo0bar: to what end?
14:12<@caker>oh, like fcol or whatnot?
14:13<@caker>dunno .. that was one what sighup used
14:13<fo0bar>I just mean for long forum announcements like the one above, it got cut off
14:14<tronix>just curious... how long does it normally take to migrate about 6 gigs worth of diskspace?
14:14<@caker>tronix: the last migration took 11 minutes
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14:15<tronix>not bad. I'll hang tight then and wait for host to accept the job
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14:15<tronix>probably competiting with others for migration services at moment
14:16<@caker>tronix: where are you migrating to (or username) and I'll tell you the status
14:19<dilcher>I'm using Ksirc for an irc client. wouldn't mind if anyone has a better irc client they could recommend.
14:19<dilcher>been about 3 years since I used IRC
14:20<dilcher>looking for something Linux compatible of course
14:20<fredy_>Chatzilla (Firefox extension) is good enough IRC client for me.
14:20[~]tronix highly recommends irssi for text mode stuff, else x-chat is great (gui)
14:20<@caker>irssi + screen
14:21<dilcher>cool. Thanks. I'm familiar with screen, but haven't used it in conjunction with irc
14:21<tronix>both supports ssl and UTF-8 (great for internationalization stuff)
14:21<tronix>screen too :)
14:21<tronix>no ssl support with screen but does UTF-8
14:22<@caker>no ssl support with screen?
14:22[~]caker ponders
14:23[~]bendy24 sees smoke
14:23[~]caker fumes
14:23<[|^__^|]>caker: I hear that vi doesn't have SSL support either!
14:23[~]tronix orders fire extinguishers via fedex first overnight ;)
14:23<[|^__^|]>bendy24: do you have a copy of ls that has ssl support?
14:24[~][|^__^|] works on sslrm
14:24<[|^__^|]>it's the ssl-enabled rm utility
14:24<bendy24>[|^__^|]: yes! i eve have a torrent available of it
14:24<[|^__^|]>bendy24: <3
14:24[~]tronix prefers 3des-enabled rm, though ;)
14:24<bendy24>thats just overkill
14:25<fo0bar>tronix: go UPS instead, they have same-day delivery for only about $200/lb :)
14:25<dilcher>when you guys talk about irc / screen, your just running a text based irc in a second window in screen?
14:25<tronix>fo0bar: hahaha nice! didn't realize that. that could come in handy for company sometimes. *makes mental note*
14:26<tronix>dilcher: that's exactly what I'm doing at moment, btw. makes life very easy as I hop around on different machines all day long
14:27<[|^__^|]>dilcher: yeah, and irssi has ssl support, so I don't know what tronix was talking about
14:27<[|^__^|]>dilcher: the bonus is that screen persists across disconnects
14:27<[|^__^|]>dilcher: so you can detach and log off and go somewhere else to reattach, and your sessoin will still be there
14:27<tronix>was mentioning both xchat and irssi had ssl and utf-8 support
14:27<[|^__^|]>dilcher: also there's screen support in irssi to automatically set you away when you detach. i use it.
14:28<[|^__^|]>I just only have public_autoaway set for one channel
14:28<dilcher>cool, time to 'emerge irssi' then...
14:28<[|^__^|]>be sure to get all the extra scripts as well
14:28<[|^__^|]>they're useful
14:28<tronix>dilcher: if you use utf-8 support, need to use ~x86 for irssi
14:28<tronix>otherwise, irssi (x86) is fine
14:28<bendy24>make sure to load the updike script
14:28<fo0bar>tronix: you're basically paying UPS to have some guy pick up your stuff and get on the next outbound plane with it
14:28<bendy24>its a must
14:28<dilcher>utf-8 I am guessing is some kind of internationalization support?
14:28<[|^__^|]>wait, are you trying to say that irssi can't do utf8 on a PPC or amd64>
14:29<tronix>dilcher: it is
14:29<tronix>lets me read cyrillic, french, greek, etc. along with ascii
14:29<tronix>it's pretty slick
14:29<@caker>[|^__^|]: that's some gentooism
14:29<tronix>(I've got a co-worker who used to live in Moscow and still does cyrillic copy-n-pastes)
14:29<tronix>[|^__^|]: oh, didn't mean to imply that. my bad
14:30<tronix>it's in the ~ stuff, probably ~ppc and ~amd64 too
14:30<[|^__^|]>also 日本語
14:30<tronix>haven't reviewed arch flags for irssi
14:30<tronix>know it's in ~x86 for sure
14:30<@caker>must. get. food.
14:31<bendy24>caker: since you are up...
14:31[~]tronix boots Linode on host27... looks sharp.
14:32<@caker>bendy24: you guys still need that netfilter extention, and do you know if it's finally in vanilla?
14:32<linbot>New news from forums: Sendmail: how do you send mail from localhost only ? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
14:33<bendy24>caker: no, not anymore. unless there are others that need it
14:33<@caker>ok .. makes my life easier
14:33<[|^__^|]>Mem: 316616k total, 298212k used, 18404k free, 10928k buffers
14:33<[|^__^|]>Swap: 263160k total, 0k used, 263160k free, 64952k cached
14:34<[|^__^|]>^-- I like it like that.
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14:38<npmr>[|^__^|], u rote ur killer app and made $$$e6 yet?
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14:39<@caker>bad, root .. bad
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14:40<Clapper>looks like I figured out how to get on via irssi
14:41<bendy24>yep, just type irssi
14:41<AndyHat>Er, I'm about to migrate off host28, and did a "/sbin/shutdown -h 0" from the command line, which appears to have shut me down, but the web interface thinks I'm still running.
14:41<Clapper>should be fun figuring out what all this client does/can do
14:41<AndyHat>And now I can't see to shutdown or restart from the web interface (unless it's just being really slow).
14:41<@caker>AndyHat: yeah, I'm looking at host28 right now
14:42<@caker>more drive issues, it seems
14:42<AndyHat>Ah, so I shut down at a good time :)
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14:50<anderiv>Clapper: irssi is's all I've used since discovering it 3 years ago or so.
14:52<anderiv>Clapper: let me know if you have any questions about it.
14:52<bendy24>screen with ssl rocks
14:53<anderiv>bendy24: screen w/ ssl?
14:53<anderiv>bendy24: I'm a heavy screen user, but I've never heard how/why one would use it w/ ssl.
14:54<bendy24>anderiv: read up
14:55<anderiv>bendy24: sorry - not getting it.
14:55<anderiv>bendy24: mmmkay
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15:04<tronix>anderiv: they were kidding me about me saying a bad statement when I was lazy for a moment :)
15:05<tronix>you're right, screen doesn't haev ssl support and doesn't have a need for it.
15:05<linbot>New news from forums: LASIK surgery in /dev/random <>
15:05<anderiv>tronix: that's what I thought...
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15:27<@caker>cmon theplanet, get off your butt
15:28<anderiv>caker: something w/ host28?
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15:44<Ty>What'd ThePlanet do now? heh
15:54<jlinos>Hi, i am having problems with my linode on host 28, i did step 1, logged in , but instead of shutdown i did a reboot and after that a shutdown, but nothing happens just the page keeps refreshing, what can i do to cancel them all and do a clean shutdown
15:57<tronix>Ty: caker's waiting on TP tech to move host28 to a remote power unit port
15:57<@caker>that's been done .. working on the system now
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16:06<predius>is IRC allowed on all VPS accounts?
16:08<anderiv>predius: through linode? or are you asking about other vendors as well?
16:08<anderiv>AFAIK, yes.
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16:08<predius>i just found something which could mean it does.
16:08<anderiv>predius: long as you stay below your monthly transfer limit.
16:10<predius>is it me or is linode's web server not responding?
16:10<predius>it just stopped working
16:10<predius>pings all right.
16:11<anderiv>predius: it's been flaky on and off today...
16:11<predius>ah, ok.
16:11<predius>i'll check back later.
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16:17<anderiv>predius: it's back up now.
16:17[~]caker sighs .. it's going to be a long day
16:18<efudd>so i just called walmart supercenterthingy here to ask about their xbox 360s....
16:18<efudd>she saidt they have 14
16:18<anderiv>sorry man...
16:18<efudd>and there is already 14 people waiting
16:18<anderiv>*** directed to caker
16:18<fo0bar>efudd: what about the other 16 walmarts in your city?
16:18<fo0bar>(I'm assuming every city has the standard complement of 17, right?)
16:18<efudd>i called the only one that'd have any appreciable quantity
16:19<@caker>I was able to get Halo 2 back when it came out at a walmart in a shit part of town ... might be worth a call
16:19<@caker>different circumstances, I know .. but still
16:19<fo0bar>efudd: where do you live?
16:19<efudd>i did too..
16:19<efudd>foobar, NC.
16:20<AndyHat>Personally I can't see the point in getting a launch 360. None of the games out yet are worth the effort.
16:20<efudd>i wanted one to resell
16:20<fo0bar>yeah, I'll probably wait until the first price drop to get one
16:21<taupehat>does anyone know how to force gtk to re-order widgets back the way THE ENTIRE BLOODY WORLD EXPECTS THEM TO BE?
16:21[~]taupehat h-bombs the gnome foundation for that and many other mortal sins
16:22<fo0bar>reno metro area: ~450k people. 8 walmarts within a 30 minute driving distance, and I've heard rumors they they're each getting 25. if I wanted to, I could probably get one
16:22<efudd>i'd have to card it anyway
16:22<efudd>no reason to get it
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16:23<AndyHat>I have no idea how many Wal-Marts are around here, other than the 2 close ones. But then, I don't shop at Walmart.
16:24<AndyHat>Something about the Walmart ambiance completely creeps me out whenever I go into one.
16:25<fo0bar>AndyHat: walmart is intollerable before 10PM, but I usually do my shopping at about 2AM, so it works :)
16:25<fo0bar>they don't play music though, which is creepy
16:27<taupehat>fo0bar: it's fun to go into walmart with a tvbgone =]
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16:28<fo0bar>taupehat: bah, they don't have a large selection. go to circuit city instead if you have a tvbgone :)
16:28<taupehat>done that =]
16:28<AndyHat>Of course, there's also the fact that Walmart randomly carries censored versions of games.
16:28<taupehat>what's fun about it is turning off the TV sets that blare rubbish to all who try to ignore it
16:29<AndyHat>I hate that.
16:29<taupehat>you know, the ones hanging from the ceiling
16:29<taupehat>tvbgone was MADE for those friggin things
16:30<fo0bar>AndyHat: I've never seen a sensored version of a PC game there... with the exception of pulling san andreas after the hot coffee incident, that is
16:31<AndyHat>They don't mark them as censored (unlike music).
16:31<AndyHat>But many games have "Walmart versions".
16:32<AndyHat>(GTA's a good example; Rockstar refused to do a censored version so Walmart didn't carry it initially, but then when it was a bestseller, they decided to ignore their own standards)
16:33<jlinos>caker, i am one with a linode on (ex)host28, i do not see any migration button on the overview page. will they appear later, or... I am in the dark now, should i just wait a little longer - very eager to log in into my box again, you know....
16:33<fo0bar> <-- interesting
16:33<@caker>jlinos: yes, I'm working on it
16:33<AndyHat>If you want some examples.
16:33<@caker>jlinos: your node is next to be migrated
16:33<jlinos>ok, i am here waiting for a sign, thanks man
16:34[~]taupehat is hopeful that his upgrade will come =]
16:34[~]AndyHat is eagerly waiting, too :)
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16:35<fo0bar>damnit, I forgot about pbf... looks like the rss feed hasn't updated in forever
16:36<fo0bar>scorpy was the last one I saw
16:40<@caker>Is there a "don't autostart raid devices" kernel arg?
16:41<@caker>or is it called "change partition type" :)
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16:41<@caker>jlinos: your migration's going
16:43<fo0bar>caker: there used to be a way to get a list of command-line arguments accepted on a linux kernel, but I think it was removed
16:45<@caker>raid=noautodetect :)
16:45<@caker>thank you Documentation/md.txt
16:45<fo0bar>wow, the Documentation directory has a up-to-date file? amazing!
16:46[~]caker smirks
16:46<jlinos>caker: aaa perfect, should i do anything ?click on a button or something ?
16:46<@caker>jlinos: nope, your node will boot once it's done
16:47<jlinos>ok :)
16:57<@caker>Anyone else here on host28 that hasn't been migrated yet?
17:00<AndyHat>I don't think we have been.
17:00<@caker>AndyHat: username?
17:01<@caker>ok, you're next
17:01<jlinos>i am up, thank you caker, keep up the goow job
17:01<jlinos>by all
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17:31<@caker>AndyHat: your node is up (has been for a while)
17:32<AndyHat>The new node only gets 128MB instead of 160?
17:33<AndyHat>Oh, wait, I was looking at the wrong box.
17:34<AndyHat>So used to being logged in as soon as I switch to that screen session that I forgot it wasn't connected this time :)
17:44<gpd>How do I set the default file creation permissions? ie. 664 not 644?
17:45<gpd>in /etc/profile?
17:47<@caker>dunno .. grep -r umask /etc/
17:48<gpd>yup - /etc/profile umask 022.... changed to 002 ;) thanks for the memory jog...
17:56<gpd>Top Music Tip: if you like Evanescence - try 'The Gathering'
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18:54<vaxen>respawning too fast messages in my console
18:54<vaxen>caker i thought you already fixed that in the image?
18:59<@caker>vaxen: or, you accepted changes that you shouldn't have
19:00<vaxen>maybe i did
19:01<vaxen>nptl is not working right?
19:01<@caker>all tne gettys should be commented out except tty0 (or vc/0 )
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19:13<vaxen>is the "fortran" USE flag for gcc necessary to run a gentoo server?
19:19<vaxen>apparently not
19:20<@caker>only two more nodes to migrate off host28 .........
19:20<@caker>then food.
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19:40<Xtec>Where I can find anyway xploit ?
19:40<Xtec>web pag ?
19:40<@mikegrb> has a lot
19:41<@mikegrb>click the contact us link
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20:12<id10t>'lo all
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20:35<tronix>vaxen: confirming that fortran flag isn't needed for the typical setup.
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21:21<efudd> <- HA
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21:29<predius>efudd: came out yesterday, right?
21:30[~]efudd hrm?
21:30<efudd>oh. 1.5hrs
21:36<tjfontaine>mmm 360
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22:01<@caker>$500 for xBox 360 on ebay .. how much new?
22:02<@caker>like $299 base, $399 with HD and wireless controller or something?
22:03<fo0bar>I think so
22:05<fo0bar>caker: <-- final version, fyi
22:05<tjfontaine>well, you can buy packages in excess of $700 at retail locations
22:05<@caker> <-- haha
22:06<@caker>fo0bar: awesome
22:07<fo0bar>haha, nice swd
22:09<fo0bar>anybody using realvnc vncviewer 4 in X?
22:09[~]mikegrb looks to see what he has installed
22:09<@caker>I use tightvnc
22:10<fo0bar>I had problems with tightvnc a long time ago, for reasons I can no longer remember
22:11<fo0bar>mikegrb: X11, not OSX
22:11<fo0bar>anyways, version 4 pops up a windows asking for the remote password, which is nice, but focus isn't given to the input field
22:11<fo0bar>it's annoying
22:12<@mikegrb>silly me
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22:25<efudd>yeah. saw that.
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22:46<anderiv>caker: the migration went flawlessly - thanks!
22:48<efudd>"Higly recommented. Fast Payment. A++++++"
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23:02<@caker>anderiv: excellllent
23:11<@caker> <-- check that out (doesn't load in IE) (requires flash)
23:12<predius>ew, flash.
23:12<predius>you should know better :)
23:13<@caker>What's wrong with flash?
23:13<predius>it's allright for funny videos which last 2 minutes.
23:13<predius>wait, what is it?
23:13<@caker>ok, thanks for sharing :)
23:14<predius>yeah, it's a video.
23:14<predius>i thought that the site needed flash.
23:14<@caker>just the demo
23:14<gpd>any thoughts on why cpuinfo would show my amd64 3200+ as 1000Mhz :(
23:14<predius>which sucks, because sites made in glash are the wordst
23:15<predius>eh, it's kinda late.
23:15<predius>night guys-
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23:19<fo0bar>caker: that's a cool demo. I'm even more interested in what was used to create that demo :)
23:20<@caker>I used to know of one tool
23:20<@caker>thought about using it for a LPM demo
23:20<fo0bar>Macromedia Captivate, it looks like
23:20[~]caker thinks
23:20<@mikegrb>fo0bar: yes
23:20<fo0bar>but their store be broken, says I
23:21<fo0bar>so I have no idea how much it costs
23:21<fo0bar>eek, about $500
23:23<@caker> <-- that was one
23:24<@mikegrb>only $300!
23:25<@caker> <-- another (free)
23:25<fo0bar>don't think about using google video to distribute vmware movies
23:26<fo0bar> <-- this is the result
23:26<fo0bar>and it only took 2 weeks for them to publish that!
23:26<@caker> :)
23:27<predius>you could easily use vnc2swf, too.
23:27<@caker>that was another!
23:28<fo0bar> <-- my high school video project
23:28<@caker>fo0bar: age?
23:29<fo0bar>of me or the video? :)
23:29<@caker>graduate in 98?
23:30<@caker>is that you in the first talking scene?
23:31<@caker>nice :)
23:31<@mikegrb>the cat won't stop hissing and growling
23:31<@mikegrb>I'm running out of stuff to throw at her
23:31<@caker>mikegrb: it wants your love
23:31<@mikegrb>it thinks it is big and bad and owns the house
23:31<@mikegrb>the neighbors kittens (2) got shut out for the night
23:32<predius>perhaps it's hissing and growling because you're throwing things at her?
23:32<@mikegrb>when I went out to smoke they followed me around util I came in and then ran inside with me
23:32<@mikegrb>so they can stay until morning
23:33|-|Ty changed nick to Ty\AFK
23:35<taupehat>My answer to all the nerds who make "OMG, headsh0t!" videos
23:38<taupehat>oh also
23:38<taupehat>this is _really_ amusing
23:41<taupehat>caker: the gmane thread
23:41<taupehat>did you read it?
23:42<@caker>the patch?
23:42<@caker>that's a framed website .. are we viewing the same content?
23:42<predius>the whole thread, you mean?
23:42<taupehat>there's a kernel patch in it
23:43<taupehat>and then greg kh explains the patch
23:43<@caker>too much work
23:43<taupehat>and it's quite funny
23:43<taupehat>actually, just look briefly at what the patch does.
23:43<taupehat>first ten lines tells the whole story =]
23:45<taupehat>imagine how nvidia or ati would react to the whole damn pci bus being gpl
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