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---Logopened Tue Dec 06 00:00:43 2005
00:02<@mikegrb>it's Reno 911 Poker or some such
00:03<@mikegrb>appearantly supports playing other people online but I've only evern been able to play against the computer
00:03<@mikegrb>nobody else around
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01:01<[|^__^|]>booo
01:01<[|^__^|]>I can't ping theplanet from here
01:01<[|^__^|]> 8. 4.78.220.10 0.0% 32 73.1 70.6 67.9 74.7 1.7
01:01<[|^__^|]> 9. ???
01:01<[|^__^|]>10. ???
01:01<[|^__^|]>11. vl1.car01.dllstx2.theplanet.com 0.0% 32 73.9 74.5 69.5 116.8 8.8
01:01<[|^__^|]>12. ???
01:01<@caker>odd
01:01<[|^__^|]>motherhubbard
01:02<@caker>13 vl1.car02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (12.96.160.12) 38.263 ms 36.242 ms 49.012 ms
01:03<@caker>14 frotz.zork.net (70.85.129.199) 36.384 ms 52.411 ms 33.796 ms
01:03<[|^__^|]>okay, well, I'm going to bed
01:17<fo0bar>hmm
01:17<fo0bar>I got my hands on a pentium D today... lihnucks doesn't see it as being sse3 capable
01:20<fuzzie>odd
01:22[~]caker sends nastigram to people with outstanding balance
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01:23<@caker>fo0bar: grep CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 .config ?
01:23<@caker>other than that .. no idea
01:25<fo0bar>caker: it's a generic 586 kernel (finnix), but cpuinfo should see all cpu flags
01:25<fo0bar>it definitely realizes it's a dual-core
01:25<@caker>wasn't sure if it did under generic ...
01:25<fo0bar>physical id : 0
01:25<fo0bar>siblings : 2
01:25<fo0bar>core id : 0
01:25<fo0bar>cpu cores : 2
01:30<fo0bar>http://www.finnix.org/submits/x86/1133821253-3492276741-294397436.gz <-- caker
01:53[~]irgeek doesn't have one of them outstanding balances. It's only ever been mediocre at best.
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01:57<@caker>fo0bar: posting one of them there bug report things to LKML?
02:00<irgeek>caker: How many hosts are there now?
02:00<@caker>irgeek: 55, but a few are offline
02:01<irgeek>Wow. I looks like things are going well for you.
02:05<fuzzie>fo0bar: interestingly, googling 'est cid cx16' gets quite a few results, seemingly mostly obviously-sse3-capable p4s, but none with sse3 in them
02:06<fo0bar>fuzzie: I smell a global conspiracy
02:11<fuzzie>fascinatingly, grepping my kernel tree for 'sse3' reveals no results
02:11<fuzzie>[the rest are near the top of linux-2.6/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/proc.c]
02:12<fuzzie>so i'm guessing there just isn't a flag for that, presumably it's included in something else
02:13<fuzzie>apparently sse3 is 'pni', which is in your cpuinfo.
02:14<fuzzie>so it's all okay after all.
02:14<fo0bar>ahh yes
02:14<fo0bar>thanks
02:14<fo0bar>not that it matters too much; windows went on it immediately aftewards :)
02:14<fo0bar>(it's a workstation for a graphic designer at work)
02:15<fuzzie>it's sort of depressing that just one of the cores is twice the speed of my fastest machine :)
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08:41<linbot>New news from forums: Host41 Kernel Panic in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1983>
08:41<LJ>i trid to build a rootfs img from fc4 it always hangs set_thread_area failed when setting up thread-local storage
08:42<LJ>anyone can help me ?
08:42<bendy24>LJ: i bet Google can!
08:42<bendy24>ask him
08:42<LJ>it can
08:42<LJ>it can't .
08:43<LJ>i have tried many tips from uml maillist from google.
08:44<bendy24>try sending to the mailing list?
08:44<@caker>LJ: you just asked this in uml-user, didn't you?
08:45<@caker>LJ: someone will likley reply to you today, so hang tough
08:46<LJ>what you mean?
08:47<@caker>LJ: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=user-mode-linux-user&m=113387887207137&w=2 <-- that's you, right?
08:47<@caker>LJ: wait a little while, someone will help.
08:48<bendy24>caker: http://polska.merseine.nu/guenther_mtv.wmv
08:48<npmr>caker, got a minute?
08:49<LJ>yeah. that's me .
08:49<LJ>caker ,did you icq ?
08:50<npmr>LJ, thread local storage is not implemented in uml
08:50<@caker>npmr: what's up?
08:50<npmr>LJ, whatever tool you're using to build your rootfs is trying to use syscalls that don't exist
08:50<npmr>caker, what's the billing email in my user profile actually used for?
08:51<@caker>npmr: not much yet, but eventually if filled in any billing related emails will be CCed to that address
08:52<npmr>it's been there a while now
08:52<LJ>i know ,how to build a img without thread local storage ?
08:53<npmr>LJ, use a 2.4 kernel
08:53<@caker>that won't even work with FC4, unfortunately ...
08:54<npmr>oh, drag
08:54<@caker>it's got a libc with linuxthreads removed
08:54<npmr>oh yeah, redhat's got a hardon for bleeding edge crap
08:55<@caker>LJ: http://uml.harlowhill.com/index.php/UML_Fedora_Core_4
08:55<@caker>LJ: might be some useful bits in there
08:56<@caker>LJ: actually, I think this --> http://uml.harlowhill.com/index.php/RebuildRPM <-- is what is required
08:56<LJ>thanks you guys
08:58<LJ>whatis way you used to create the rootfs img file ?
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09:19<ppdorapa>hello people.. caker did you reboot my server ? :|
09:21<LJ>caker are you runing linode ?
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09:29<npmr>ppdorapa, host41?
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10:41<cow>maybe i shouldnt connect to irc thru my linode... i always end up missing discussions to the problem that disconnected me in the first place...
10:43<kvandivo>that's quite a DNS server you must be running to allow that many levels of naming
10:44<bendy24>must be a pain to type that in all the time
10:44<bendy24>its probably easier to rememeber the ip
10:44<kvandivo>no doubt
10:45<bendy24>silly canadian
10:46<kvandivo>back in my mudding days, i always played a cleric.. i refused to summon and heal people if they had names that were excessively long or hard to spell
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10:57<linbot>New news from forums: [16286] Upgrade in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1984>
11:02<cow>caker: are you planning on implementing any notification systems if the servers are rebooted, or will it up to us to monitor this?
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11:07<risto><cow> maybe i shouldnt connect to irc thru my linode... i always end up missing discussions to the problem that
11:07<risto>+disconnected me in the first place...
11:07<risto><kvandivo> that's quite a DNS server you must be running to allow that many levels of naming
11:07<risto><bendy24> must be a pain to type that in all the time
11:07<risto><bendy24> its probably easier to rememeber the ip
11:07<risto><kvandivo> no doubt
11:07<risto><bendy24> silly canadian
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11:07<risto>*** Con excessively long or hard to spell
11:07<risto>> *** rafx (~rafx@adsl-65-42-83-97.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) has joined channel #linode
11:07<risto>> <linbot> New news from forums: [16286] Upgrade in Sales Questions and Answers
11:07<risto>> +<http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1984>
11:07<risto>> <cow> caker: are you planning on implementing any notification systems if the servers are rebooted, or will it
11:07<risto>+up to us
11:07<risto>> +to monitor this?
11:07<risto>*** Closing Link: dallas.kotalampi.com (Excess Flood)
11:08<risto>shit
11:08<risto>sorry about that...my mouse went nuts
11:12[~][|^__^|] sets risto on fire
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11:18<kevinl>hey guys. i need dns service so i can run a few domains on my linode, but im a bit confused at how to get my registrar to put my lincode IP as authoritative since it needs a domain and not an IP. kindof a chicken/egg thing. any hints?
11:24<kvandivo>well, to very directly answer your question, you could give it the li7-24.linode address (or whatever it is..)
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11:25<kvandivo>li7-32.members.linode.com... of that form.. that's a domain that points to you
11:38<rafx>kevinl: google for "free dns". i'm using www.zoneedit.com to point to my linode and am very happy with their free service (it is better than one i used to pay $$$ for!)
11:42<npmr>i have several i'll-host-secondary-for-your-domain-if-you-host-secondary-for-mine type arrangements with friends
11:42<npmr>works quite well
11:52<kevinl>hmm thanks guys!
11:52<kvandivo>i have zoneedit pointing to 5 different domains atm
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12:01<linbot>New news from forums: Questions of Allowing External Access to Apache Web Server in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1963>
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12:07<risto>everydns.net is also a good free DNS service. They don't restrict you to 5.
12:07<sipher1>hey I would like to upgrade my linode to the next plan up.. should I file a ticket?
12:07<sipher1>!ping sipherx
12:07<linbot>pong
12:08<kvandivo>yes
12:08<kvandivo>http://www.linode.com/products/faq.cfm?id=22
12:08<sipher1>do you know off hand if I will be able to keep all my ip addresses?
12:09<sipher1>crap
12:09<kvandivo>depends.. if you stay in the same datacenter you keep the same ip
12:09<kvandivo>(and you most likely WILL stay in the same datacenter, at least if you are in dallas.. but i can't say that with any authority at all
12:09<sipher1>well thats what I need then. I have 4 or 5 ip addresses, and they need to stay the same.
12:09<sipher1>understood thanks
12:09<@mikegrb>sipher1: ips only change if you want them to change
12:09<sipher1>oh okay thanks
12:09<sipher1>filing ticket now
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12:11<sipherx>anyway i filed the ticket.. do you think this change can go in effect within 24 hours?
12:12<psykoyiko>mmm, xen 3.0
12:13<@mikegrb>sipherx: it's already setup
12:13<@mikegrb>sipherx: your ticket is updated
12:14<sipherx>that was quick, oh hey one more question. You guys still doin the pay annually thing, and get a free disk space?
12:14<@mikegrb>yes
12:14<sipherx>How much would I get for the plan I am now now
12:14<sipherx>on*
12:14<@mikegrb>9216
12:15<sipherx>Could you give me a total price annual amount?
12:15<sipherx>and will my ip addresses still be billed sperately per month?
12:15<bendy24>$1,000,000
12:16<@mikegrb>!calc 39.95 * 12
12:16<linbot>mikegrb: 39.95 * 12 = 479.4
12:16<sipherx>payment has been sent
12:16<@mikegrb>lolz
12:16<sipherx>lol
12:16<@mikegrb>plus 48 for the ips
12:16<bendy24>mikegrb: i get %5
12:16<sipherx>alright lemme talk to my boss, were gonna need that extra space soon
12:16<@mikegrb>ok
12:16<@mikegrb>just need to open a ticket and request it
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12:17<sipherx>alright thanks for the quick setups mike
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12:17<sipherx>when if your 1yr anniversary with linode? I know you been here for quite some time now
12:17<sipherx>is*
12:18<@mikegrb>end of march I think
12:19<@mikegrb>oh
12:19<@mikegrb>end of feb
12:19<sipherx>awesome
12:19<@mikegrb>Feb 25
12:19<@mikegrb>er 26
12:19<bendy24>you must be doing something right to stay this long
12:20<sipherx>i dont think mike likes to talk about those kind's of things publicly
12:20<sipherx>shh!
12:20<bendy24>you're right, he likes to whisper things in my ear
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12:36<@mikegrb>bad timing for sipherx
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12:37<@mikegrb>lolz
12:37<sipherx>lol, did i cause that?
12:37<Ximbiot>hi all.
12:37<raven>hey quick question
12:38<sipherx>no wonder it took so long for me to migrate
12:38<raven>if anyone has a minute
12:39<@mikegrb>raven: sure
12:39<Ximbiot>quick question: when i first got my linode I had some memory issues and someone asked if i was running spamassassin, which I wasn't, but i need to put my mailserver somewhere for a omnth. how much memory do i need to keep a linode from thrashing with spamassassin? is there a rule of thumb by volume?
12:39<linbot>New news from forums: Host 51 Kernel Panic in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1985>
12:39<sipherx>uh oh, umm some operations failed while I was migrating
12:39<raven>how do i set up a domain name to my ip?
12:39<sipherx>and im worried if everything migrated properly
12:39<@mikegrb>sipherx: I'll take care of it ;)
12:39<sipherx>k
12:40<@mikegrb>raven: you need dns, some registrars will do it for free
12:40<@mikegrb>there are also free dns providers
12:40<Ximbiot>what registrars are free?
12:40<@mikegrb>godaddy
12:40<sipherx>sitelutions.com
12:40<raven>thanks
12:40<@mikegrb>Ximbiot: the most important thing is limiting the number of concurrent spamassasin processes
12:41<sipherx>dont even need to register ur domains with them
12:41<raven>that'll work i guess. next question. kind of related
12:41<raven>would there be any benifit in runnin my own dns server if i'm only going to have one cname record in it?
12:42<Ximbiot>hrm... i've been launching spamassassin via a home-grown script... would have to add some locking, I guess... thx, mikegrb.
12:43<sipherx>mike, do i need to logout and log back in?
12:43<@mikegrb>sipherx: wouldn't hurt, you should be ready in just another minute
12:43<sipherx>k thanks
12:43<@mikegrb>done
12:44<@mikegrb>go ahead and issue a boot
12:45<@mikegrb>sipherx: boot job might take a minute with all the Linodes booting
12:45<sipherx>alright thanks
12:47<npmr>mikegrb, are these host panics at all related?
12:48<@mikegrb>yes
12:48<@mikegrb>current consensus is processor issue
12:48<@mikegrb>someone at intel is appearantly looking into it
12:49<npmr>what about hosts 4 and 30, are they susceptible to this?
12:49<@mikegrb>not 4
12:49<@mikegrb>not certain about 30
12:49<@mikegrb>don't think so but not certain
12:49<@mikegrb>just the newer stuff
12:49<npmr>ok
12:54<binnypgr>sendmail doesn't work with every site
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12:54<binnypgr>is this coz of firewall at that site
12:55<@mikegrb>huh?
12:56<bendy24>uhu
12:56<sipherx>hey mike should it still be in queue for booting?
12:56<@mikegrb>sipherx: yeah, it gets stuck in line behind all the host jobs
12:57<@mikegrb>and they are spread out, one at a time
12:57<sipherx>got ya
12:57<@mikegrb>should be much longer though
13:01<prince_>zirc
13:01<prince_>er
13:01[~]bendy24 pets mikegrb
13:01<prince_>wrong window
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13:03<scanlime>I'm on host51... the web interface says my linode finished booting, but I can't contact it at all, and I can't log into lish
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13:13<scanlime>mikegrb, caker: ping?
13:13<@mikegrb>scanlime: is it not better now?
13:13<rafx>did anyone find out why host41 panicked today? was it the same reason host41 panicked couple weeks ago (Nov 22)?
13:13<@mikegrb>scanlime: what username?
13:13<@mikegrb>rafx: yes
13:13<scanlime>mikegrb: micahjd.. I can't even ssh into lish
13:14<@mikegrb>um
13:14<@mikegrb>you aren't on host51
13:14<scanlime>ah.. there it is
13:14<@mikegrb>ahh
13:14<@mikegrb>two linodes
13:14<scanlime>I'm on host51 :P
13:14<@mikegrb>my bad
13:15<scanlime>hm. guess my linode hung during boot somehow.. but at least I can get into lish
13:16<@mikegrb>scanlime: it gets slow going with everyone booting up
13:16<scanlime>nod
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13:17<scanlime>if I cancelled my accounts now, I assume I'm paid up through the end of december and my linodes wouldn't actually shut off until the end of the month?
13:18<Sipherx>hey mike it seems like im having some problems, i am trying to resize my disk image, and its taking forever. And it says my server is up but its not
13:18<@mikegrb>the webpage takes effect right away
13:18<@mikegrb>Sipherx: the resize is still in the fsck
13:18<@mikegrb>the saying it is up is a problem
13:18[~]mikegrb looks into it
13:18<Sipherx>k
13:20<@mikegrb>Sipherx: weird, says powered off for me
13:20<kvandivo>me too
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13:20<Sipherx>well look at my queue it says I have booted it twice, and I havent shut it down
13:20<scanlime>mikegrb: ok, it's actually booting now.. just really slowly :)
13:20<Sipherx>but i still cant access any of my ip's..
13:20<scanlime>dunno why it hung at syslogd before
13:21<@mikegrb>Sipherx: the overview page shows status powered off
13:21<scanlime>mikegrb: how much do you end up paying to colocate one of the linode hosts?
13:21<Sipherx>when i click on boot it will say its booted, but still shows power off
13:21<Sipherx>why is that
13:22<@mikegrb>not sure exactly we pay by the rack
13:22<kvandivo>not the cage?
13:22<@mikegrb>Sipherx: I clicked boot it asked if I was sure and added a boot job after the resize
13:22<@mikegrb>kvandivo: nobody wanted to sell us a cage
13:22<kvandivo>interesting
13:23<Sipherx>scanlime: I got a postcard in the mail from hurricane electric, and for a fullsize tower server, It would cost 280 a month, for unmetered bandwith.
13:23<@mikegrb>"we don't have space try back in 6 months"
13:23<kvandivo>nod
13:23<scanlime>Sipherx: I've seen some 1U servers that would fit my needs for $100/month or so
13:23<scanlime>I just really need more performance and reliability than linode can offer at this point :(
13:24[~]kvandivo listens to the crickets.
13:25[~]bendy24 plays a harmonica
13:25<Sipherx>this is taking forever...
13:25<Sipherx>I never once had a problem when I was on host 47, to my knowledge anyways
13:25<Sipherx>but looking at the forums looks like host 51 isnt very stable heh
13:27<scanlime>prolly because I'm on it :P
13:27<Sipherx>alright mike, its powered off again
13:27<@mikegrb>ok lemme look
13:27<Sipherx>when u click boot, it boots and then shuts off immediately
13:28<rafx>it would be nice if there was a graph of each host's load (mrtg?). would be useful when choosing a different time for cron jobs to run
13:29<@mikegrb>looks like stale screen lockfile
13:29<@mikegrb>s/lockfile/fifo/
13:29<Sipherx>whats that mean
13:30<@mikegrb>your linode runs inside screen for lish access to the console
13:30<@mikegrb>but screen couldn't launch as you
13:30<@mikegrb>you should be good to go now
13:31<kvandivo>i hate stale stuff
13:32<Sipherx>looks like its doing good now
13:32<Sipherx>thanks
13:33<@mikegrb>no problem
13:35<Sipherx>hey mike I have a question, do you guys have any plans for the future to do backups for an extra fee?
13:35<@mikegrb>not that I know of
13:35<Sipherx>something that worries me is these hardrive failures..
13:35<@mikegrb>maybe more long term
13:35<Sipherx>makes me worry one day im gonna wake up and all those hours will be wasted, guess i will need to comeup with my own solution then
13:35<heidi>Sipherx: you are supposed to back up your own stuff
13:36<Sipherx>yea i know
13:36<@mikegrb>well we use raid to prevent hard drive failure from being a problem
13:36<Sipherx>i was just wondering if linode has any plans to
13:36<Sipherx>oic
13:36<@mikegrb>I'm not aware of any case it has ever caused someone to loose data
13:36<@mikegrb>Sipherx: http://thegrebs.com/documentation/?&itemID=13
13:37<Sipherx>thanks
13:37<@mikegrb>http://thegrebs.com/~michael/LaTeX/rdiff-backup.pdf <-- pdf version
13:37<rafx>mikegrb: is the problem that caused host41 to panick twice in the past couple weeks something that can be fixed anytime soon? is it software? hardware?
13:38<@mikegrb>rafx: possibly software-hardware interaction
13:38<@mikegrb>triggering a cpu bug
13:38<rafx>anything we (linoders) can do to help?
13:39<@mikegrb>not really
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13:51<@mikegrb>lolz
13:51<sipherx-afk>lol
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14:10<rafx>anyone here know how often jiffies rollover in the 2.6.12 kernel? couple weeks?
14:16<npmr>every (2^32 - 1) / 1000 seconds
14:17<npmr>!calc (2^32 - 1) / 1000
14:17<linbot>npmr: ((2^32) - 1) / 1,000 = 4,294,967.29
14:17<npmr>!calc 4294967 / 3600
14:17<linbot>npmr: 4,294,967 / 3,600 = 1,193.04639
14:17<npmr>!calc 1193 / 168
14:17<linbot>npmr: 1,193 / 168 = 7.10119048
14:17<npmr>a little less than every two months
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14:18<tag>hurm
14:18<tag>I just upgraded my linode from hoary to breezy, I have a feeling its going to stop working
14:18<npmr>mv /lib/tls /lib/stupid-tls
14:18<rafx>upgraded using apt-get?
14:19<tag>yeah
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14:19<tag>via apt-get
14:20<rafx>thanks npmr
14:21<rafx>i guess MAX_LONG jiffies used by ipt_recent is smaller than that (~25 days) according to this - http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/05/09/fixing-the-ipt_recent-netfilter-module/
14:21<tag>npmr: Yeah I recall that, anything else I have to worry about/
14:21<tag>?
14:22<npmr>not that i know of
14:22<rafx>probably create an hourly cronjob to mv /lib/tls just in case you forget
14:23<tag>[Tue Dec 06 15:22:07 2005] [error] Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/scottmc/blisted.org/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 . /etc/apache2) at (eval 2) line 3.
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14:23<tag>crud
14:23<tag>libapache2-mod-perl2 is installed
14:27<tag>son of a
14:34<psykoyiko>hey so
14:34<kvandivo>what's a hey so?
14:34<psykoyiko>one consequence of doing the mv /lib/tls thing
14:34<kvandivo>i've heard 'son of a' lot of things.. but never 'son of a hey so'
14:34<psykoyiko>is that if you compile something on your linode that uses __thread
14:35<psykoyiko>it will compile fine, but not work at runtime.
14:35<psykoyiko>(as intended)
14:35<npmr>can you configure the build so it doesn't use nptl?
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14:40<psykoyiko>well, sure
14:40<psykoyiko>i'm talking very basic here
14:41<psykoyiko>http://nomad.psax.org/~dave/tlstest.c
14:41<psykoyiko>the worker *should* print 0
14:41<psykoyiko>really what should happen though is that gcc should say __thread isn't supported on this target
14:42<psykoyiko>or, the programmer shouldn't really on compilers, and just use pthread_getspecific/pthread_setspecific
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14:53<kevinl>can anyone recommend a good, secure, easy to configure FTP daemon that has a debian package avail?
14:54<@mikegrb>proftpd has a debian package, sftp is another option that is already setup, there are free gui windows sftp clients
14:54<rafx>vsftpd
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14:55<rafx>vsftpd has the best security track-record and is used by lots of high-profile ftp sites. i've heard good things about proftpd too.
15:00<@mikegrb>but nothing beats sftp
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15:02<npmr>rsync -e ssh
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15:03<rafx>thanks, i'll check out sftp. also twoftpd is another interesting newcomer
15:04<rafx>hmm. when i telnet to my ssh port, i see: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4
15:05<rafx>tis a bit too much info :(
15:06<tsi>blame distro compilers for wanting to brand everything they compile
15:06<tsi>look at your apache server string sometime
15:07<tsi>os, release, patchlevel, boot time, mother's maiden name, cpu arch
15:08<kvandivo>wow?! it has the boot time in it?
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15:09<fo0bar>rafx: did you know that your computer is broadcasting an IP address that hackers can use to steal your identity?!?
15:09|-|Shaun2222 changed nick to Shaun
15:09<@caker>my IP is my SSN
15:09<@caker>weird how that happened
15:10<rafx>fo0bar: who cares about id theft? i'm embarrassed about using debian
15:14[~]efudd hax
15:17<rafx>anyone know how to obtain current jiffies value from bash?
15:17<kevinl>hmm i just rebooted my debian linode for the first time a few mins ago and it doesnt appear to have come back yet. uh oh!
15:17<kevinl>if i shutdown -r now do i need to reboot it from the control panel
15:17<@caker>kevinl: yes
15:17<kevinl>ok
15:18<rafx>tsi: easy to change using mod_security. highly recommend mod_security-1.9.1 if you use scripting. catches bunch of stuff with ease. ie. you can block spambastards posting viagra ads in your forums or prevent xss exploits
15:19<kevinl>is that the correct way to reboot or is there a suggested method
15:19<@caker>kevinl: either that, or use Lish
15:19[~]anderiv pops in
15:19<anderiv>ugh - what a day...
15:19<@caker>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation
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15:50[~]tsi <3 lish
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17:44<gloin>odd
17:45<gloin>I cannot seem to establish a new connection to here
17:45<gloin>traceroute looks sane
17:46<gloin>but I cannot ping taupehat.com from here (even though I'm already connected via SSH)
17:47<gloin>ping caker or mikegrb
17:47<gloin>looks like it's real enough
17:48<gloin>I've got a friend at another location with the same problem
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17:49<taupehat>test
17:49<taupehat_>ok i'm not lagged
17:51<@caker>taupehat: all better now?
17:51<taupehat>caker: nope
17:51<taupehat>--- taupehat.com ping statistics ---
17:51<taupehat>20 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
17:51<@caker>taupehat: t r a c e r o u t e <-------------- :)
17:51<taupehat>yah yah
17:51<taupehat>one min
17:52<@caker>send it to pastebin
17:52<taupehat>yep
17:52<taupehat>caker: http://pastebin.ca/32731
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17:54<taupehat>^^
17:55<@caker>taupehat: you must be firewalling icmp packets, 'cause I can reach your ssh port
17:55<taupehat>same
17:55<taupehat>duh
17:55[~]caker bonks taupehat
17:56<@caker>:)
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17:56[~]taupehat acts like he knows something
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17:59<fo0bar>my windows laptop at work has been up for 25 days
17:59<fo0bar>in that time, I had accumulated 14 open notepads
17:59<taupehat>heh
17:59<taupehat>and you never ran doze update
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18:00<fo0bar>no, I've got it set to download and notify, so there haven't been any critical updates released since then
18:01<fo0bar>looks like 4 optional updates available
18:02<taupehat>ahh
18:02[~]taupehat afk
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18:32<dilcher>hello
18:32<@caker>dilcher: hello
18:34<dilcher>question: I'm compiling mysql, and the compilation aborts with an out of space error. Before the compilation, I was able to free up about 240MB of space. Odd that I would get that error. Any chance it is the amount of swap space? Anyhow, I put in a help desk ticket about paying annually, which will net me a bit more space, whenver that might be able to be processed...
18:35<@mikegrb>dilcher: was completed 2 minutes after you opened the ticket ;)
18:35<dilcher>do I need to reboot?
18:35<@mikegrb>dilcher: unfortunatly I got sidetracked and forgot to cc a copy of the ticket to the address you requested
18:35<dilcher>no prob!
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18:35<@caker>mikegrb: we need to make that a field
18:35[~]caker gets to work
18:35<@mikegrb>assuming you want to grow your existing image, shutdown, click the disk images tab, select your disk image, type in new size
18:36<@mikegrb>caker: hah! I thought of that at the time and was going to suggest it
18:36<@mikegrb>then click save and boot
18:36<dilcher>Cool! I'll check it out! Can't complain about slow service :)
18:37<dilcher>mysql must really be a hog, I was surprised I was running out ofspace.
18:39<dilcher>Anyone know if this java app running off the web site is free? This is pretty cool
18:40<@caker>it is
18:40<dilcher>Nice- it is called pjirc?
18:40<@caker>I believe so
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18:54<dilcher>Caker, all, one more question if I could- I noticed that Gentoo recently release GCC 3.4 as stable. Not a simple upgrade. Any ideas if I might expect unusual problems if I upgrade to it on Linode? Didn't know if that might be problematic with the kernel that might be in place on Linode...
18:55<dilcher>i may be asking for trouble trying to use it!
18:56<npmr>dilcher, try to find out if there's a USE flag that would disable building nptl support
18:56<npmr>dilcher, it may also go by the acronym "tls"
18:57<npmr>stands for "thread local storage", and it's not implemented in 2.6 uml kernels
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18:58<@caker>dilcher: there's not much that's specific to UML. npmr has mentioned the only one that I'm aware of (that libc's compiled with nptl as a library won't work, you can do the mv /lib/tls /lib/tls-disabled trick)
18:59<@caker>BTW, Jeff said nptl support should be in 2.6.16. He's got it working, but he said the patches from Blaisorblade need some cleaning up
18:59<rafx>sweet
18:59<@caker>after that, bye bye 2.4-um for us
19:00<npmr>http://www.gentoo-portage.com/s?search=use%3Dnptl <-- gentoo
19:01<npmr>looks like USE+=-nptl will do something
19:01<dilcher>Thanks, Ill try and digest that the best I can. I keep good backups just for this occasion!
19:01<rafx>btw, i found a workaround for http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-2873 which i'm currently testing. no need to modify kernel
19:02<dilcher>Are there a lot of Gentooists on Linode? May be something a lot of people will be attempting soon.
19:02<npmr>"Waving a finger and pounding his desk, Saddam told the judges to "go to hell" and insisted he would not return to court Wednesday."
19:02<npmr>Best Trial Ever
19:03<dilcher>I have a feeling he'll make it to court tomorrow. Michael Jackson? You never knew... Saddam? He'll be there
19:06<rafx>we blew it. we should've replace saddam with a cyborg and installed him back into power
19:06<@caker>rafx: huh ...
19:06<internat>so if they fix the nptl thing, does that mean we dont have to move tls anymore?
19:07<@caker>dilcher: about 17-18% of deployed distros are Gentoo, I believe
19:07<@caker>a few usually hang here
19:07<dilcher>That is a pretty big number I guess. I'm not the only one burning cpu cycles compiling...
19:07<rafx>caker, can you post distro percentages in the forum for us to see? kinda curious to see what people are using here
19:08<@caker>I'll post the current values here, one sec
19:08<internat>that would be dandy
19:08<fo0bar>if I were to do gentoo on linode, I would keep a local rsync'd copy at home and do all my compiling there
19:08<dilcher>any bets as to how many Fedorists there are?
19:08<@caker>ok, I was wrong. Gentoo is 13%
19:10<dilcher>interesting! Thanks for looking it up
19:10<internat>so, somethingg ive never really thought of, but can u read our hdds, asin see what stuff we hvae stored on our linode?
19:10<dilcher>got anything good there? :)
19:10<@caker>internat: yup, and I Read Your Email
19:11<dilcher>:)
19:11<@caker>just kidding
19:11<@caker>I've got better things to do (no offense)
19:11<dilcher>You would be bored with mine
19:11<@caker>http://www.theshore.net/~caker/uml/distroshare.png
19:11<internat>no no, i wasnt saying u did, or do, i was just asking if u can
19:11<@caker>internat: yeah .. scared
19:12<@caker>?
19:12<fo0bar>caker: does debian count old 3.0 installations as well?
19:12<internat>not really, dont have anything personal on there :)
19:12<dilcher>wow, graphics and everything. Good job
19:12<@caker>fo0bar: yeah, I used the same DB record
19:13<dilcher>49% Debian, is that right?
19:13<fo0bar>dilcher: no, most install debian, then install solaris on top of it
19:13<fo0bar>:)
19:14<@mikegrb>lolz
19:14<internat>lol
19:14<[|^__^|]>Then we run FreeDOS in BOCHS
19:14<dilcher>Now you're talking real operating system
19:15<rafx>bleh, gimme my commodore 64
19:15<fo0bar>0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 22 10:37 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/mcedit-debian
19:15<fo0bar>how the HELL did that happen
19:15<dilcher>If I were running Debian, I guess I wouldn't worry about going to gcc 3.4 for a long time
19:16<fo0bar>dilcher: sarge has 3.3, but they're switching directly to 4.0 for etch
19:17<dilcher>I am emerging my entire home PC with 3.4 right now. Should be done in a week or so.
19:20<[|^__^|]>ha.
19:20<@caker>fo0bar: 18 Finnix deployments
19:20<fo0bar>nifty
19:20<encode>what package management does finnix use?
19:21<[|^__^|]>encode: not GAR
19:21[~]mikegrb deplys cakix
19:21<[|^__^|]>encode: you should lobby
19:21<@mikegrb>deploys even
19:21[~]encode wonders what GAR is
19:21<fo0bar>encode: apt
19:21<encode>oh
19:22<encode>what does the G and the R stand for then?
19:22<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: I dunno, I've heard the Finnix developers are stubborn elitists
19:23<encode>hahaha
19:23<[|^__^|]>encode: GMake Autobuild Runtime
19:23<[|^__^|]>encode: it's a backronym
19:23<encode>ooh, i understand now - fo0bar was telling me it uses apt, and [|^__^|] was confusing the issue with something i've never heard of before
19:24<fo0bar>I can do one better, a recursive backronym: Finnix Is Nifty; No Installed X
19:24<encode>hahahaha
19:25<fo0bar>encode: GAR is used to build lnx-bbc, a project that has/had similar goals as Finnix
19:26<fo0bar>of which [|^__^|] is a developer
19:26[~]fo0bar glares at [|^__^|]
19:26<encode>ahh
19:28<[|^__^|]>I was
19:28<[|^__^|]>I mean, I wrote GAR
19:28<[|^__^|]>and shoehorned most of the bbc into it
19:28<[|^__^|]>but everyone else ditched me
19:28<[|^__^|]>so i decided to just ignore it all and go get a degree
19:28<encode>why would i use finnix as opposed to debian or ubuntu?
19:29<@caker>encode: Finnix is a livecd that you place in your Linux admin toolbox
19:29<@caker>encode: to fix schtuff
19:30<internat>yeah i need one of them
19:30<[|^__^|]>You would use it instead of the LNX-BBC because it is more uptodate
19:31<encode>caker: ahh, i see
19:31<encode>i might try it sometime
19:31<encode>i dont usuually need to fix linux stuff though
19:35<@caker>Has anyone had ntpd gain a few seconds ahead per day?
19:35<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: I think you were the one that mentioned that somebody was trying to revive lnx-bbc, but I joined the IRC channel and witnessed a week of silence
19:37<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: as for GAR... I recently made a set of shell scripts to automate building the various kernels for finnix (x86, ppc, ppc64, um and possibly xen). I need to look at GAR to see how well I can do that
19:38<fo0bar>err, "-um", not "ummmmm"
19:38<fo0bar>ie UML
19:41<[|^__^|]>clusterbo is trying to do that
19:42<[|^__^|]>and the cross-compiling is a hairy game in GAR
19:43<fo0bar>well, currently it's built one two machines. one does ARCH=i386 and ARCH=um, and the other does ARCH=ppc and ARCH=ppc64 (debian on ppc has a native biarch compiler, so nothing fancy is needed)
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19:44<[|^__^|]>yeah, there's all sorts of toolchain building that happens first, but for kernels it's pretty straightforward
19:49<rafx>caker: nice pie graph of linux distros...btw, any chance you might publish a graph of host load each day? could be useful if some of us want to move our cron times
19:51<internat>that sounds like a good idea actually
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20:51<JasonF>what is up with all these kernel panics laetly
20:51<JasonF>it makes me go grr
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21:22<LJ>caker online ?
21:24<LJ>i can't find this patch skas-holds-own-ldt. does any know where is it .
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