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---Logopened Sat Jan 19 00:00:37 2008
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01:11<noob>can someone help me with a quick ssh problem?
01:12<noob>set up an ubuntu 7.10 image and am trying to change the ssh port
01:12<A-KO>check /etc/ssh?
01:12<noob>in ssh_config, i have a Port 2222
01:12<A-KO>check sshd_configf
01:12<A-KO>not ssh_config
01:13<noob>oh duh
01:14<noob>A-KO: thanks, that was it, thats what I get for doing stuff late at night!
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03:10<Grant>Hey All
03:10<Grant>I am in a spot of trouble
03:10<Grant> I added a new IP to my account
03:10<Grant>and since I've done that I can't get anything wunning
03:11<Grant>Or rather - I can't access my apache server
03:12<opello>that seems odd
03:12<Grant>Well that's what I though
03:12<Grant> is my primary domain
03:13<opello>seems to be loading, but slow, here
03:14<opello>it was gray, not the normal white
03:14<opello>timed out i guess
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03:15<Grant>It was all working ok until I rebooted
03:15<Grant>And it isn't working now
03:15<Grant>So I assume it is the Ip
03:15<Grant>But really I don't know
03:16<opello>so, take it off and see?
03:17<opello>don't bind it to the eth0:1?
03:19<opello>sort of seems to work :)
03:21<opello>so, maybe bind your apache to the static ip you want to use, instead of or whatever?
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03:21<Grant>Ah ok
03:22<opello>and are you doing any sort of virtual hosts?
03:22<Grant>See I was hoping to move my mail server to a different virtual host
03:22<opello>i think if you are, you need to set the ip there; or use *:80 ... but i thought i read something that said that was bad
03:22<Grant>hence getting the second IP
03:25<Grant>and I don't really know waht I am doing
03:25<Grant>I have an idea
03:25<Grant>but not so much
03:25<opello>you couldn't run the mail server on the same ip as the webserver?
03:25<opello>or is the mail for a different domain?
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03:25<Grant>It is for multiple domains
03:26<Grant>And just for organising it
03:26<Grant>I'd wanted to separate it
03:26<opello>well, your prerogative :)
03:26<Grant>and I have 3g of free space
03:26<Grant>yeah, it works fine now
03:26<Grant>Its kind of a learning thing
03:26<opello>so you got it setup
03:26<opello>learning is always good :)
03:26<Grant>yeah - it works fine on
03:26<Grant>I've bee using that for over a year
03:27<opello>ah cool - congrats
03:27<Grant>but now I need to manage mail for a few domains
03:27<Grant>and I figured I'd try teach myself some more linux et al
03:27<Grant>Most of what I have done I've taught myself/googled
03:27<Grant>But I dived in a bit deep with this project
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03:48<Grant>Thanks for your help, though!
03:51<opello>no prob :)
03:51<Grant>I am now going to try it again, without breaking it
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04:12<Grant>si ti even possible to point different ips at different disk images?
04:13<Grant>Man -I feel like such a nub
04:13<Grant>haha - even though I'm somewhat advanced
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04:17<opello>but you can't boot both disk images?
04:17<opello>(no reason you couldn't as far as i know though)
04:18<NeonNero>technically, yes, you can assign your different ips to each of your disk images (and profiles) by using static ip instead of the preinstalled DHCP client.... but it won't do you much good since you can't have more than one of the profiles up at the same time
04:18<Grant>I have booted both
04:18<opello>but not simultaneously
04:19<Grant>So what would be the purpose of having more than one disk image on the one linode?
04:20<NeonNero>or even train yourself in the different distros
04:20<Grant>Though technically, if I can ssh into one/the other then I should be able to run two apache servers simultaneously, right?
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04:21<Grant>(not that I would run two apache servers - just an example)
04:22<NeonNero>you can install two apache instances on the same server (and to different locations), but you need to shut down one profile to be able to boot the other
04:22<irgeek>Grant: If you want two hosts up, you need to add a second Linode to your account.
04:22<Grant>so to have a separate mail server, I'd need an additional linode?
04:23<praetorian>put it this way if you want "two systems" running at once, you need two linodes
04:23<praetorian>two complete, independant systems
04:24<praetorian>but you can run whatever you want one 1
04:24<praetorian>ie mailo, www, etc
04:24<Grant>yeah - I have set that up now
04:24<Grant>I was just mucking around and was hoping I could separate the mail from the websites
04:28<irgeek>You could run multiple UML instances within your Linode, but performance is probably going to suck.
04:31<praetorian>but then you run into another problem ... 1 ip for the host, 1 for the client ... oh.. all out ;)
04:31<praetorian>mind you, i didnt think you could run uml inside of uml
04:32<irgeek>Performance is pretty bad, but it can be done.
04:42<Grant>yeah - I think I can just pass the cost onto a client and setup another linode
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05:53<sethrd>I've come to the conclusion that God does not want me to use Lighttpd with Movable Type, and doesn't want me touching Apache.
05:53<sethrd>He wants me to run Lighttpd and Wordpress.
05:56<sethrd>Either that, or God hates Arch.
06:00<jimd>May your God hates the combination of Arch, Lighthttpd, MovableType and you personally.
06:01<jimd>Or maybe it's not about hate, but love
06:01<jimd>Perhap your devinity truly, deeply, ardently ...
06:01<sethrd>He loves them so much, he doesn't want me to hate them by allowing them to work for me?
06:01<jimd>... loves to se you suffer!
06:01<jimd>to see, even
06:02<sethrd>It was weird. I installed apache, apachectl start, and EVERY isntance of Order or Deny in the conf caused apache to fail.
06:02<sethrd>Instance that is
06:03<sethrd>Syntax error on line 177 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
06:03<jimd>Oh, I seem to recall that Apache configuration semantics for "Order"and "Deny" directive are highly non-intuitive
06:03<sethrd>Couple times on different lines obviously.
06:03<jimd>Hold on a second
06:04<sethrd>And for whatever reason, lighty freezes half way through the mt-check.cgi...
06:05<jimd>Do you have the authbasic module enable?
06:05<irgeek>Are you loading mod_authz_host?
06:06<irgeek>BTW, Which Apache?
06:06<sethrd>[root@hades] ~ # pacman -Q apache
06:06<sethrd>apache 2.2.8-1
06:07<jimd>sethrd: I don't know diddly about Arch (I presume you're you talking about the Arch distro and know the arch VCS)
06:07<irgeek>OK. mod_authz_host then.
06:07<sethrd>jimd: Yes, Arch Linux
06:07<sethrd>Run it on my laptop.
06:07<jimd>But what is in your /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ (or equivalent) directory?
06:08<sethrd>And there is a lot
06:08*jimd is a bit of a Debian diehard; with some weakness for Ubuntu on laptops and graphical workstations
06:08<sethrd>It's /etc/httpd/modules
06:08<sethrd>And all the modules are listed.
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06:09<dactor>hello anyone home
06:09<irgeek>authz_host_module :)
06:10<irgeek>dactor: Do you have a question?
06:10<sethrd>How about addtype errors? =X
06:11<irgeek>I think
06:11*irgeek checks
06:11<dactor>yes......i just spend the past 6 hours setting up my ubuntu box......then installed ISPConfig ....all was problem is that i cant use https!!!
06:11<irgeek>What were the errors?
06:12<dactor>this is my ISPConfig control panel...(works perfectly on my other dedicated server)
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06:13<dactor>the errors just like the link does not exist!! i.e typical error page "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage"
06:13<irgeek>I see a login screen. What's the problem?
06:13<dactor>you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06:13<irgeek>Maybe IE isn't redirecting properly. Try this:
06:14<dactor>i am not getting that screen!!!!
06:14<irgeek>Maybe IE sucks.
06:14<dactor>let me check from another terminal....this is weird.....
06:14<dactor>its not maybe irgeek.....its for sure
06:14<Rosiel7>I have a few questions about Linode 1080. What CPU power can i expect from it?
06:15<irgeek>dactor: Your certificate is fscked. The subject is your name. It should be your hostname.
06:16<irgeek>Rosiel7: Enough for most things. What do you want to do that's so CPU intensive?
06:16<Rosiel7>Hosting a game server
06:17<dactor>i got it.!!! eurka.......thaks irgeek
06:17<Rosiel7>a Ragnarok one, its not very hardware demanding, but i'd better ask before wasting my money
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06:17<irgeek>Rosiel7: I've never done it, but I've heard of it being done.
06:18<irgeek>Rosiel7: The hardware limitation on shared systems is usually disk IO. If it's disk intensive, you will have issues.
06:18<irgeek>dactor: np
06:19<Rosiel7>Hmm, ok, another question, what average upload speed will i get?
06:21<sethrd>Grrr!! /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/current/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/XML/LibXML/Common/
06:21<jimd>What's that all about sethrd?
06:21<sethrd>Apache poops on that.
06:21<sethrd>Same with lighttpd
06:22<sethrd>THAT is why God hates me using MT
06:22<Rosiel7>Also that 7 day money back garantee... in case it wont work out for me with my game server will i get my money back or will it be like "you should have known it wont work, its your problem"?
06:23<jimd>Rosiel7 You could always build a server at home, install UML and try your game there (with some test load to simulate the traffic)
06:24<jimd>Or you could decide that one or two months of (what is it, $20/mo for the low end?) is a reasonably low risk.
06:24<irgeek>Rosiel7: Linode's have excellent network connectivity. I've seen transfers upwards of 6MB/s
06:26<Rosiel7>jimd: the traffic demands are about 1-2kb/s for one player
06:26<@tasaro>Rosiel7: You'll get your money back as long as you request a refund on the cancellation form
06:26<Rosiel7>irgeek: thank you
06:26<Rosiel7>tasaro thank you too
06:26<Rosiel7>guess i'll give it a try
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06:27<jimd>BTW: I don't work here -- I'm just a satisfied customer
06:27<sethrd>google is no help this time
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06:29<irgeek>sethrd: Did you compile it or is it a package?
06:30<sethrd>It's a package to my understanding
06:30<irgeek>Does that file exist?
06:31<irgeek>Does Apache complain about something or just segfault?
06:31<sethrd>It complains.
06:31<irgeek>What's the error message? (us if it's long)
06:32<sethrd>Not real long
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06:34<irgeek>Do you have multiple files on your system?
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06:34<sethrd>Would not suprise me one bit
06:35<sethrd>....Appearantly I don't have a single one..
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06:36<irgeek>The culprit looks to be Apache and perl not both being compiled with thread support.
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06:36<Rosiel>is payment with paypal possible?
06:36<sethrd>How would I go about fixing this?
06:37<sethrd>Actually, lighttpd fails on that as well
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06:37<irgeek>Have you tried switching your Apache worker?
06:38<irgeek>tasaro: Can you answer Rosiel's question?
06:38<sethrd>Would you laugh if I asked what that meant?
06:38<sethrd>Eh, lighttpd fails on same thing.
06:39<irgeek>Apache now has three workers. Prefork, pthread and perchild.
06:39<irgeek>You should be loading a module somewhere for one of them.
06:40<sethrd>I don't see anything in the conf about those
06:42<@tasaro>Rosiel: sorry, no paypal
06:45<sethrd>This is starting to upset me.
06:49<irgeek>sethrd: I jus looked on my Ubuntu box, and the MPM module is compiled in instead of being loadable. Check what package owns the apache/apache2 binary.
06:50<irgeek>On Ubuntu, the options are apache2-mpm-perchild, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker
06:50<irgeek>apache2-mpm-perchild - experimental high speed perchild threaded model for Apache2
06:50<irgeek>apache2-mpm-prefork - traditional model for Apache2
06:50<irgeek>apache2-mpm-worker - high speed threaded model for Apache2
06:51<irgeek>I'm guessing you have prefork and want worker.
06:53<irgeek>Also, read this:
06:54<irgeek>sethrd: In case you hadn't guessed yet, "undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr" is your real problem.
06:56<irgeek>There are a few hits on the archlinux forums:
06:56*irgeek hopes that link works
06:59<sethrd>No go
07:01<sethrd>Maybe try another distro?
07:02<irgeek>Are you using community packages>
07:02<sethrd>I believe so, yes
07:02<irgeek>I am of the opinion there are several distros which have no business being on a server.
07:03<sethrd>I believe arch is one of the,
07:03<sethrd>dont have these issue on my laptop
07:03<irgeek>Community packages are great for bleeding edge hardware support on your shiny new laptop. They cause massive headaches on servers though.
07:04<irgeek>Like Gentoo. I love the idea of Gentoo, but when I have to recompile and reconfigure PHP every three months, it doesn't make me a happy admin.
07:04<sethrd>Eh, my laptop isn't shiny, nor is it new, but I do <3 it
07:05<irgeek>Not sure if you saw that.
07:05<irgeek>Looks like Perl 5.10.0 broke things.
07:06<sethrd>How do I go about recompiling a perl module?
07:07<irgeek>I have never used Arch, so I can't help you there.
07:09<irgeek>Try their forums or irc, maybe?
07:12<dactor>i have another question which part is the hostname and which is the domain?
07:13<dactor>guys i have another which part is the hostname and which one is the domain name?!
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07:15<ramis>guys i have a which is the hostname and the domain part of the link?!
07:16<sethrd> is the domain
07:16<sethrd>li7-94 is the hostname
07:17<ramis>what about members?!
07:17<sethrd>its a subdomain of the domain
07:17<ramis>then when i am config as a mail server then i use li7-94 as host and as domain......
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07:21<irgeek>ramis: The mail domain is one you own. Not If you don't own a domain, you can specify as the domain and email addresses will be
07:22<irgeek>If you do own a domain, you need to set up DNS with MX records to point other mail sites to you Linode.
07:23<ramis> are a star.....this is what i though.....i do own a few domains but did not move out of my previous hosting company trying to get familer with linode package....thanks again....
07:24<irgeek>I've been doing this a long, long time.
07:24<irgeek>If it weren't for the .com bubble bursting, I'd be worth millions now...
07:24*irgeek sigh
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07:26<ramis>you are worth millions but for millions of people......the .com would have made you worth millions for one person (CEO : )
07:29<irgeek>I had lots of stock. We were working on a VC deal that would have made my portion worth plenty. The bubble burst the day before we signed the VC deal and wiped out our VC's reserves. He had no more money to give us.
07:32<ramis>i hear was tough times
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07:39<sethrd>tough times is trying to figure out why your buddy, as has the exact same setup as you, can do something when you cant
07:46*irgeek has secretly replaced sethrd
07:46<irgeek>has secretly replaced sethrd's regular distro with Windows--let's see if he notices
07:47<irgeek>That joke loses all the punch when you can't type
07:48<realist>I can't seem to find any specific info on linode network providers?
07:49<irgeek>It depends on which datacenter you're in.
07:53<realist>Is there any published information on what networks are available at each datacentre?
07:53<irgeek>I think the data centers publish their own information. Hang on.
07:56<irgeek>That's the Dallas datacenter
08:01<irgeek>I can't find the others off the top of my head.
08:02<realist>Thanks anyway :-)
08:02<irgeek>What, specifically, are you looking for? All the datacenters are very well connected.
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08:12<Tenkawa>greetings all
08:26*Rei-chan notes that generally speaking, every Tier 1 datacenter is the same as far as connectivity, security, power redundancy.
08:27<realist>so linode is hosted in tier 1 datacentres?
08:27<realist>also, what size pipe are the vps on?
08:27<KoZi>my gf says about 6 inches
08:28<irgeek>I've seen 6MB+ transfer speeds
08:28<irgeek>KoZi: VPS != STD
08:29<realist>irgeek: 6MB/s to a single vps?
08:29<irgeek>Please do
08:29<KoZi>nah to tired
08:29<Rei-chan>Honestly, unless its stuck in some kid's basement, any commercial host is really just renting space (or servers) from one of four datacenters in the US. :)
08:29<irgeek>realist: Yeah.
08:30<irgeek>Uh, no.
08:32<realist>If I were to pay for 2 years up front, do I get 2 x 50% free storage?
08:33<irgeek>Grabbing the latest kernel from 08:32:26 (4.39 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.23.tar.gz'
08:34<Hobbsee>irgeek: crumbs...that speed exists?
08:35<irgeek>I've seen better.
08:36*Hobbsee curses her shoestring internet some more, then
08:36<irgeek>From my Linode in Dallas to my Linode in Fremont: 08:35:53 (5.98 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.23.tar.gz.1'
08:36*Hobbsee saw 1.1MB/s in spain, and was stunned
08:37<irgeek>The trans-atlantic connections can be slow sometimes.
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08:37<Hobbsee>SpaceHobo: yeah, true. that would help
08:40<irgeek>Kill me now. One of the trans-atlantic network providers is called seabone. That's just nasty.
08:40<Godsey>is a Linode 1440 suitable for hosting a mail mx/smart host?
08:40<Godsey>I'm averaging about 4msgs/sec inbound
08:41<Rei-chan>ugh. suphp on Ubuntu is annoying me. I may have to compile from source.
08:41<Godsey>I think the ram is fine, I'm just not sure about the disk i/o
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08:41<irgeek>Godsey: I'm doing that on a Linode360
08:43<Godsey>could you do iostat 5 and tell me a rough average tps?
08:43<Godsey>I don't think 360m is enough for my filtering db
08:44<irgeek>I have a LAMP stack + postfix + cyrus imapd.
08:44<Godsey>I have a colo server right now.. but the bandwidth is just horrible. I think they put some sort of broken qos on me.
08:45<Godsey>each connection now gives me about 11K/sec :)
08:45*Rei-chan has LAMP, postfix, and courier. It stands up to my silly amount of spam.
08:45<Godsey>I'm using FreeBSD+postfix+dovecot
08:45<irgeek>My average IO is low. It's 9 averages across the last year.
08:45<irgeek>Uh, It averages 9 over the last year.
08:45<Godsey>irgeek, I don't have historical data unfortunatly
08:46<Godsey>right now (slow time of day) it's 44~~ tp
08:46<irgeek>That's from monitoring the io_tokens I have avaiable
08:46<realist>Hobbsee: I was in heaven when I first saw ~6MB/s (aarnet in mid 90s)
08:46<Godsey>at max I see 5251 msgs/min
08:47<Godsey>I could probably save alot running the mysql on a server @ home and building/deploying cdb lookup tables
08:47<Godsey>but I cheat some (and pay with lots of cpu utilization)
08:47<Godsey>I do select blah where this_fields like $remote_ip
08:47<irgeek>I'm guessing the data in the DB is fairly static.
08:48<Godsey>it changes pretty often.
08:48<irgeek>Often as in x/sec, x/minute or x/hour?
08:48<Godsey>I'm pretty loose w/ adding people to the black list but make it easy to get whitelisted by the customer.
08:49<Godsey>changes several times per minute
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08:51<Godsey>an example is my bounce message gives the person a url to visit
08:52<Godsey>they can exempt their address from that black list entry. say I block can bypass it if he visits the url and enters that data.
08:52<Godsey>but if gets complaints or does something I deem wrong he's blacklisted again
08:55<Godsey>Uptime: 133838 Threads: 27 Questions: 1723160 Slow queries: 0 Opens: 97 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 91 Queries per second avg: 12.875
08:55<Godsey>those lookups are what use up resources I think
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08:56<irgeek>Have you thought of making the most volatile (and assumably small) tables RAM based?
08:58<Godsey>it's 715M on disk :)
08:58<Godsey>er that's the db I guess
08:59<Godsey>could probably do it. the black/whitelist email/cidr maps are under 60m total
09:00<irgeek>What ever changes the most is going to give the best results moving to RAM. Of course, if you have a major failure, you will lose some data.
09:05<irgeek>As for doing that on a Linode though, I think you'd be alright on a larger plan, but it's difficult to say exactly how it would perform.
09:06<Godsey>are the limits consistant or bursty?
09:06<Godsey>if I get one and benchmark it, will it always perform that way? or could it degrade if other hosts on same hardware take up some resources?
09:08<irgeek>You get 512 tokens/sec going into your bucket, up to 2000000. If you use too many, your bucket will empty and all your apps will iowait until you get another 512.
09:09<Godsey>is 1 io 1 token?
09:09<irgeek>It's quite consistent. There was a minor snafu in the monitoring a while back, and I got throttled to death, but it was fixed and it hasn't happened since.
09:10<irgeek>It's not 1 to 1 AFAIK.
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09:15<irgeek>Godsey: That's for you, BTW.
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09:38<sethrd>Somehow, in 4 days, I managed to use 140GBs of bandwidth
09:38<sethrd>I left a distro torrent seeding in screen....
09:39<sethrd>No wonder my ratio is 17...
09:39<irgeek>That will do it.
09:39<sethrd>Started it at work in screen, and forgot about it till I look at dashboard..
09:41<Tenkawa>damn theres some major bandwidth uplink at linode
09:42<Tenkawa>thats just sick
09:44<irgeek>All my transfer, going back to Aug 2003, adds up to about 136GB.
09:45<Tenkawa>thats all/
09:45<Tenkawa>er ?
09:45<Tenkawa>I've already used 15 gig in 3 dats
09:45<Tenkawa>er days
09:45<Tenkawa>mind you thats 99% moving from another site
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09:50<irgeek>May 2005 I used 158MB total.
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09:57<Godsey>I have ubuntu iso's running on my desktop, my ratio is 200+ :)
09:59*irgeek watches Software Update limp along on his 512k connection :(
10:01<Godsey>I have 50/20M .. spoiled :)
10:02<Godsey>oops ubuntu share ratio is just 157
10:02<Godsey>autopatcher files were over 200 but the tracker for that is dead now
10:04<irgeek>Godsey: What kind of connection, and where?
10:04*irgeek needs to know where to move
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10:05<realist>Can I choose a different datacentre for my linode?
10:06<irgeek>If you've already chosen, you need to submit a support ticket asking to migrate to a different DC. Your IPs will change.
10:06<realist>Well, I'm at the welcome page, and it only has Dallas available?
10:07<irgeek>Then there are no Linode's of your plan level available in other DCs.
10:07<@mikegrb>realist: unfortunately dallas is the only dc with slots of your size available at the moment
10:07<@linbot>irgeek: Linode360 - 53, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 25, Linode1080 - 5, Linode1440 - 5
10:07<@mikegrb>but you can put a ticket in and once a slot is available we can move it
10:08<realist>Great, how do we co-ordinate DNS change then?
10:08<realist>I'll be notified once it's been moved?
10:08<@mikegrb>we setup the move you click a button when you are ready to do it
10:08<irgeek>You initiate the migration yourself.
10:09<Hobbsee>mikegrb: any idea when you'll get more in other centres?
10:10<@mikegrb>I'm not sure :< caker or tasaro would know
10:10<@caker>Atlanta is getting a few next week
10:10<Godsey>I'm in Syracuse, NY
10:10<Godsey>it's FiOS from Verizon.
10:10<irgeek>realist: OTOH, I've had a Linode in Dallas for a long time and it's been rock solid.
10:11<Godsey>I pay $94/mo for 50/20.. only problem is they block port 25 in
10:11*irgeek starts packing
10:11<irgeek>That's fine by me. I have a Linode.
10:11<Godsey>you can get business service 20/20 for $149/mo w/ 5 ips and no blocks
10:12<irgeek>Is it transfer capped?
10:12<realist>irgeek: I'm more concerned about the latency, I'm in .au
10:12<Godsey>irgeek: no.
10:12<Godsey>I download at 6.4MB/sec from giganews :)
10:12<realist>What are these ratios?
10:13<irgeek>50/20 is 50Mb down and 20Mb up
10:15<Hobbsee>caker: fremont would be the place of interest for realist and myself. any idea on them?
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10:16<@caker>Hobbsee: would need to wait until someone cancels or migrates .. possibly around the end of the month
10:16<realist>Also, would we know the IP in advance of a move?
10:16<@caker>submit a ticket and get yourself into the queue, and we'll update it when there's a spot
10:16<@caker>realist: yes
10:16<realist>caker: thanks, doing that now.
10:17<Tenkawa>cant believe what made digg
10:17<irgeek>realist: My gateways so you can check latency: Dallas -, Fremont -, Atlanta -
10:17<Tenkawa>rick nash goal from nhl game the other night
10:17<Tenkawa>I almost jumped out of my seat while I was watching that game
10:18<irgeek>Godsey: I hate you.
10:18<Tenkawa>when the "game changing event" occured I scared my wife and cats when I yelled out in shock
10:21<Godsey>irgeek: I'm trying to find inexpensive colo where I can place an openvpn router :)
10:22<Tenkawa>Godsey: waveform technologies if you dont mind troy michigan
10:22<Tenkawa>I've used them multiple times
10:22<Tenkawa>great group with great price and uplink
10:22<realist>irgeek: thanks, Dallas and Fremont are quite comparable
10:24<Godsey>Tenkawa: my only expectation is they can route my ips and it's not dog slow :)
10:24<irgeek>Godsey: Your definition of dog slow might be a little different than the rest of ours. ;)
10:24<Godsey>my current colo is 11KB/sec
10:24<Hobbsee>realist: strange
10:25<Godsey>well per connection.
10:25<Godsey>some funky (bad) throttling
10:25<Godsey>I can open multiple connections and get 2meg/sec
10:25<Hobbsee>realist: mine came up at ~40ms longer
10:25<Hobbsee>(for dallas)
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10:25<Tenkawa>sounds like channelized qos
10:26<Tenkawa>per socket connection.. not per interface
10:26<Tenkawa>that sucks
10:26<realist>Hobbsee: you're in sydney, I'm not.
10:26<irgeek>realist: Pinging from Fremont to Dallas - min/avg/max/mdev = 42.039/42.416/47.249/0.726 ms
10:26<Hobbsee>realist: i realise that, but i still wasn't expecting such a difference.
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10:27<Godsey>Hobbsee: between which 2 locations?
10:27<Hobbsee>Dallas and Fremont
10:27<Godsey>I'd hope there would be a large difference :)
10:27<Tenkawa>nice... from my house to my linode
10:27<Tenkawa>46.485 ms
10:28<Godsey>Hobbsee: unless you're in the center
10:28<Tenkawa>my old provider : 67.200 ms
10:28<Tenkawa>much better now :()
10:28<Tenkawa>er :)
10:29<realist>Tenkawa: I'm about ~200ms away
10:29<Tenkawa>you said .au though right?
10:29*realist nods
10:29<Tenkawa>not bad if thats the case
10:29*irgeek hates you all
10:29<realist>CA should be ~160ms
10:29<realist>However, I'm only getting 200ms pings
10:29<Tenkawa>whats th fremont ip again?
10:30<Tenkawa>let me try from here
10:30<irgeek>From Egypt to Atlanta: min/avg/max/stddev = 282.287/1171.106/1873.581/261.074 ms
10:30<irgeek>I hate Egypt
10:30<Godsey>i average 47 to dallas
10:30<realist>Well, SSC crosses the Pacific, from Sydney, and lands in CA
10:31<realist>Hence me requesting Fremont support ticket
10:31<Godsey>40 to atl and 102 to freemont
10:31<Tenkawa>afk. bbl
10:31<irgeek>FYI: I'm doing a ping -c 100 for consistency in averages.
10:32<Godsey>i did 10
10:32<Godsey>from au, you're adding about 3000 miles to your trip going to dallas
10:33<Godsey>that's at least 16 ms w/ no overhead
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10:34<Godsey>er i mis-calculated that I think
10:34<realist>Godsey: which is why I'm surprised I'm not seeing a notable difference...
10:35<mwalling>from NY to dallas: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 639.535/1027.071/1646.545/237.936 ms, pipe 2
10:35<Godsey>dallas and atl are same for me from Syracuse, NY
10:35*mwalling is on hughesnet
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10:36<Godsey>good luck shrinking your latency w/ that 20k mile hop :P
10:36*mwalling might be getting dialup
10:36<Godsey>you off grid?
10:37<Bdragon>Yeah, dialup is great for ssh
10:37<mwalling>no, i have electricity.
10:37*Bdragon uses hughesnet for just about everything else...
10:37<mwalling>i dont live *that* far in the middle of nowheres
10:37<Godsey>I have relatives in AZ totally off grid :)
10:37<irgeek>hughesnet = satellite?
10:38<Bdragon>irgeek: ja
10:38<Godsey>they also have hughes
10:38<mwalling>me to google: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 676.297/1105.399/2522.677/289.406 ms, pipe 3
10:38<Godsey>it even works for skype kinda :)
10:38<mwalling>until they get fapped
10:38<Godsey>what's fapped?
10:38<Bdragon>I've done skype on dialup
10:38<Bdragon>subject to Fair Access Policy limits
10:39<Bdragon>If you burn through your quota you get throttled down to about 3.3 KB/s
10:39<Godsey>no problem.
10:39<mwalling>my quota is 200mb/24 hours
10:39<mwalling>yeah... it is.
10:39<Godsey>and 3.3KB/sec is enough for voip
10:40<Bdragon>The problem with running voip over satellite is
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10:40<Godsey>the 2/3 sec lag :)
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10:40<Bdragon>there is a HUGE variance between worst case and best case rtt
10:40<Bdragon>it's not the lag, it's the lack of consistency in how fast the packets get there...
10:40<Godsey>ya it's not a big problem.
10:41<mwalling>3.3k is enough for voip?
10:41<Godsey>yes 0.8k/sec is
10:41<Bdragon>speex codec, etc
10:41<mwalling>i can barly keep an irc session on when i'm fapped
10:41<irgeek>WTF? My VSAT connection in the middle of the Egyptian desert has better latency than my DSL connection in Alexandria...
10:41<irgeek>min/avg/max/mdev = 675.795/683.896/780.913/10.781 ms
10:42<Godsey>I use the cisco codec when she connects to my sip proxy
10:42<Godsey>irgeek: do you know of any inexpensive ways to call egypt from the u.s.? :)
10:43<Godsey>I can't find any sip providers doing it for under $0.18/min
10:43<irgeek>And you won't
10:43<irgeek>VoIP is heavily regulated in EG.
10:43<Godsey>virgin moble phones do it for $0.10/min
10:44<irgeek>The iLEC is very scared of VoIP.
10:44<irgeek>Best price I've seen, however, is $0.10/min to a land line.
10:44<Godsey>I've sent some friends pap2-na devices but eventually their isps block it
10:45<Godsey>I have yet to try setting up openvpn for it :)
10:45<irgeek>I think the best price I've seen to a mobile is about $0.15/min
10:49<irgeek>Yet more proof businesses are stupid: I just noticed that even though they cap transfer, HughesNet's tagline is Broadband Unbound. Someone needs to explain to them what that word means.
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10:52<realist>Thanks for the help everyone.
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10:54<Godsey>I left voicemail w/ sales @ thanks :)
10:54<@mikegrb>irgeek: they say "We provide unlimited internet access, not unlimited high-speed internet access"
10:55<Godsey>irgeek: I 'm guessing they mean unbound location
10:56<irgeek>I get what they mean, but it sounds stupid.
10:56<praetorian>mikegrb: yeah .. alot of isps over here (.au) market internet as being "unlimited" when they have caps .. and people sign up and get a 200mb/month plan and then complain
10:56<praetorian>especially when on a 24month contract
10:58<Godsey>my bread and butter query that I don't think can easily be transformed into dbm/cdb lookups :(
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10:59<Rei-chan>Ah, Verizon.
11:00<Rei-chan>Unlimited cellular internet == If you go over a few gigabits, we're cancelling your contract.
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11:07<sethrd>Godsey, what part of Syracuse you from?
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11:54<Godsey>I'm in Dewitt
11:54<Godsey>have an office on teall :)
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12:01<sethrd>No shit?
12:02<sethrd>I used to live in Dewitt. Over by Shoppingtown.
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12:19<Godsey>ah, I'm on other side
12:19<Godsey>near where malloy road and northern blvd meet
12:19<Godsey>(kinda by big UPS terminal)
12:20<Godsey>actually I'm about 5 blocks from Carrier :)
12:20<Godsey>my mailing address is east syracuse but not in the villiage
12:20<Godsey>addresses here baffle me.
12:20<sethrd>Alright, I gotcha.
12:20<Godsey>registering to vote was fun
12:20<sethrd>I used to work over in that area.
12:21<sethrd>Over off Fly Road.
12:21<Godsey>ya :)
12:21<Godsey>I'm in franklin park
12:21<sethrd>Oh, ok.
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12:22<Godsey>my wife is a manager @ carrier, I'm a programmer/it junkie for an insurance company now
12:22<sethrd>I thought Carrier closed shop.
12:22<sethrd>I know they did a massive layout while back at least.
12:22<sethrd>Few years ago
12:22<Godsey>I think they moved most of the manufacturing to china
12:22<Godsey>she actually works for UTC
12:22<sethrd>Friend of mine's father was VP.
12:22<sethrd>Ok, gotcha.
12:23<sethrd>Ok, I need a smoke before I go get lunch.
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12:37<irgeek>Reason #847 not to work for your parents: You have to smile and be polite when your computer-challenged mother buggers up her spreadsheet and underpays you by almost $1500. :)
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12:39<mwalling>irgeek: personal experience or a quote?
12:39<irgeek>Personal experience. Mum and I just went through all of the records together.
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12:45<irgeek>I was wondering why my deposit looked a little light.
12:46<irgeek>On the upside though, it is fun to work with them.
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15:53<@linbot>KoZi: *click*
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16:01<zeroday>new apache version is out
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16:09<Rei-chan>I'm lucky, I guess.
16:12<@caker>A modern-day warrior
16:12<@caker>Mean mean stride,
16:12<@caker>Today's Tom Sawyer
16:12<@caker>Mean mean pride.
16:19<Tenkawa>heh a rush fan eh?
16:20<@linbot>zeroday: *click*
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16:36<Athenon_><Craig> I'm calling linode ;)
16:36<Athenon_><Craig> no IRC allowed
16:37<Athenon_>someone named craig is a huge idiot -_-
16:37<zeroday>where is that from?
16:38<Athenon_>some idiot...keeps threatening to DDOS, says he froze my msn (which my msn works fine)...
16:39*zeroday slaps mikegrb :P
16:39<zeroday>on this channel Athenon_ ?
16:39<Athenon_>im getting sick of him...i kill/gline him off my irc server and crap...him and hamlin wont freaking leave me alone -_-
16:39<Athenon_>zeroday: nope, another server
16:40<zeroday>tell him to come to this channel to complain
16:40<Athenon_>nah, im not talking to sick of dealing with him -_-
16:40<mwalling>Athenon_: you could simply point out where irc *is* allowed, then g-line him :)
16:40<mwalling>or give him the link in the gline message :)
16:41<Athenon_>mwalling: ive already gline him.....and im not gonna tell him that....its more fun for him to THINK he has something on me when he really doesnt
16:42<Athenon_>he already thinks he can take over my vps pretty easily...of course, he THINKS he knows what virtualization we're running, but he doesnt ;)
16:44<mwalling>aah... one of those kind of characters
16:44<Athenon_>but yeah, im just sick of dealing with him...every time i think we're good, he pops up...and i put in some more glines and crap -_-
16:44<mwalling>he doesn't happen to also go by systat, does he? :)
16:44<iggy>a windows script kiddie
16:44<Athenon_>i dont think so
16:45<Athenon_>iggy: possibly, i dunno....were pretty sure he at least OWNS an IRC botnet
16:45*mwalling goes to find a link
16:46<clanehin>why is he interested in you?
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16:46<Athenon_>thats him
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16:46<Craigory>do linode allow IRC?
16:46<Craigory>and wat if the network get's attacked?
16:47<@mikegrb>then we take care of it
16:47<Craigory>is there a charge?
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16:47<Craigory>shame on you guys really :)
16:47<Craigory>is there a charge?
16:48<Craigory>Athenon_ has a few people after him
16:48<zeroday>Craigory is the one Athenon_ ?
16:49<mwalling>it starts slow, the punchline is about 2/3rds the way down
16:49<Athenon_>zeroday: yep
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16:51<h00s>mwalling: heh, good read :)
16:51<zeroday>mwalling lol
16:52<h00s>stand back! "I am a certified Linux Admin" :D
16:52<Craigory>if your names athenon then you aint no linux admin :)
16:54<zeroday>why not?
16:56<Craigory>because he's n00b :D
16:56<Craigory>and thinks a few glines has got rid of me!
16:56<Craigory><3 full block of class c
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16:57<zeroday>Craigory, why dont you find something better to do then hang around where you're not wanted?
16:58<mwalling>zeroday: the pyschology of trolls is very complicated, and hard to uncover
16:58<zeroday>im sure its related to repressed childhood memories ;)
16:59<iggy>they aren't breast fed
17:00<A-KO>You know what bothers me? How a bunch of dumb kids get ahold of a botnet
17:00<A-KO>It's pathetic
17:01<A-KO>none of that matters because at the end of the day he might be this big bad ass on the internet but he's still gotta take the trash out for mommy :D
17:03<mwalling>zeroday: ?18 is my favorite
17:04<zeroday>wow....nerdy :P
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17:06<mwalling>i try
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17:07<@caker>buh bye
17:08<opello>heh, we get those on another network i'm on, but they never spam ... just join and part once in a while
17:10<@caker>and I guess scrape for email addys or something
17:10<opello>where's that info from?
17:11<mwalling>sounds like freenodes "omg tor loggers" "attack"
17:11<@caker>or gather fodder for link farms/spam pages
17:11<Rei-chan>Caker, is there a tuning apache howto on the forums or wiki? :)
17:12<iggy>wouldn't lose much
17:12<Rei-chan>Actually, I've seen those horrid things on freenode.
17:12<Rei-chan>And they always DO come from :)
17:14<Rei-chan>Does it know asl?
17:22<Rei-chan>Ah, irc.
17:22<opello>that's really their own fault though, i mean ... c'mon ... it's the internet
17:28<@linbot>New news from forums: Best BitTorrent Client ? in General Discussion <> || After rebooting XEN host, odd processes have appeared... in General Discussion <>
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17:33<@caker>SystemFAILURE: hello
17:33<SystemFAILURE>caker: hi
17:33<@caker>SystemFAILURE: mind if I PM you?
17:34*Rei-chan raises an eyebrow.
17:34<Battousai>uh oh, someone's in trouble
17:35*Rei-chan doesn't see tor users often.
17:40<SystemFAILURE>Rei-chan: ?
17:41<mwalling>SystemFAILURE: you're connected through tor
17:42<SystemFAILURE>mwalling: and what's the problem ? :|
17:43<iggy>according to some tor is for exclusive use by pedophiles
17:43<mwalling>SystemFAILURE: *shrugs* ask him
17:43<SystemFAILURE>iggy: lol
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17:48<SystemFAILURE>mikegrb: mmh a lame user can make you flood :(
17:48<Athenon_>well, at least it doesnt trigger there XD
17:48<@mikegrb>SystemFAILURE: no, it contains throttling
17:49<SystemFAILURE>'night to all
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18:41<opello>BOB DOLE WANTS YOU!
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19:01<clanehin>woohoo, it's snowing
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19:03<iisca>how can i tell how much physical memory the os is using (non daemon/apps). i do 'top' and i only have a few processes running, but top says im using 285MB
19:03<iisca>i installed ubuntu server, only have mysqld and 1 16 meg JVM running, and im already using 285..
19:05<@caker>Linux will use all RAM for filesystem buffering
19:05<clanehin>I find htop to be useful
19:05<iisca>k. i only have 70mb free. once i put apache on there will there be any mem left for stuff liek php?
19:06<iisca>im curious how anyone can actual run lamp from the lowest linode plan.
19:06<iisca>actual = actually
19:06<Bdragon>Memory: 3399M Act, 1698M Inact, 1284K Wired, 13M Exec, 5058M File, 78M Free
19:06<Bdragon>Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free
19:07<iisca>clanehin: im using ubuntu server - i dont think i have htop. or do i need to install. also is ubuntu server a memory hog?
19:07<@caker>iisca: what you are seeing is that Linux will eventually use *all* the RAM for buffering the filesystem.
19:08<clanehin>iisca: it's just a prettier top, and I think regular top can be a little deceptive.
19:08<@caker>LAPM runs quite nicely on a Linode 360, even with most distribution's default configs
19:08<@caker>Back in the day, Linoders used to run LAMP on 64M :>
19:08<clanehin>the debian/ubuntu package is named htop, there might be something even better, I don't know
19:09<mwalling>what ever happened to free?
19:09<Deckert>iisca: once all memory is used for buffering, the kernel will re-allocated that RAM from the buffer pool back to applications that need them
19:09<iisca>o wow, 64M? ok so now i have apache running. 65M free. so should i be scared about not being able to scale?
19:09<iisca>i know thats a super open ended question
19:09<Deckert>iisca: it just means that the memory is used all the time, to the benefit of system performance
19:10<@caker>again, you want the kernel to use all ram for performance. It's when you start going into swap when you need to be concerned
19:10<iisca>ah ok, that eases my mind a bit. I'm gonna launch my business here soon (web app) and really trying to think about scaleablilty/perf.
19:10<mwalling>hmmm... i should devise a way to use swap to buffer i/o...
19:10*mwalling snickers
19:11<Bdragon>It's a GOOD thing for all the ram to be making itself useful at all times
19:11<Deckert>Bdragon: agreed
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19:12<Bdragon>And caching is an excellent use because it can by definition be thrown away if the ram is needed for something else
19:12<iisca>ah ok sweet. ok nother question. been doing alot of reading and cant find a definitive ans. Does php running as fastcgi scale better then mod_php on apache 2.2?
19:12<clanehin>htop gives you a nice bar graph of your ram, color coded by what's using it,
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19:14<iisca>trying to decide between lighttpd and apache 2.2. Going to do some apache AP tests against my php app running on both, but just curious if anyone knows from experience.
19:14<iisca>AP = AB
19:15<Bdragon>I use lighttpd + fastcgi php...
19:16<Bdragon>It works quite well, but I don't have anything to compare it to, and I don't tend to have high concurrency
19:18<iisca>Bdragon: u running 1.5?
19:19<Bdragon>I run lighttpd from pkgsrc, and they're pretty conservative ;)
19:19*Bdragon does have a slightly customized build, but that's just because he's too lazy to push his patches upstream :P
19:19<iisca>yea im concerned to use lighttpd cuz apache has been around 4ever and has gotta be more stable.
19:19<Godsey>lighttpd does not scape better than apache for php5
19:20<iisca>Godsey - u recommend running php as fastcgi or mod?
19:20<Godsey>depends on what you're doing.
19:20<Godsey>mod if it's just you, suphp if you host other people
19:21<iisca>well it will just be me, but i want it to handle a large load of traffic.
19:21<Bdragon>Suggest seperate static and dynamic daemons...
19:22<iisca>ive read that mpm-worker performs much better and has smaller mem footprint - but have to run php as fastcgi
19:22<iisca>Bdragon: im dense - can u elaborate? (duno what that means).
19:22<iisca>i know what daemons are
19:22<Godsey>what is a large load?
19:23<Bdragon>Serve your images and other static content from a webserver that is tuned for size and speed and doesn't have any script execution capability at ALL.
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19:23<iisca>Well my nightmare is my bus takes off, gains popularity, but then loses users because response times are slow (server doesnt scale)
19:23<Bdragon>Then only the dynamic stuff that requires server side computation contributes to your "main" webserver's load
19:23<Godsey>like lighttpd w/ aio-sendfile
19:23<iisca>ah i see
19:24<mwalling>need 2 ips for that though, wouldnt you?
19:24<iisca>so apache 2.2 runs my scripts, lighttpd serves static data (cached views etc)
19:24<Bdragon>Or you can run pound, perlbal, etc
19:24<Bdragon>(instead of 2 ips)
19:25<Godsey>iisca: but really there is no point
19:25<Godsey>if your site gets loaded, buy another server and balance them
19:25<Godsey>if you're not making any money give up :)
19:25<Bdragon>There's many ways to scale..
19:25<iisca>Godsey: thats kinda what i was leaning towards. I could spend all my time trying to squeeze a few cyccles out, but id rather spend my time developing my app
19:26<Godsey>it's always easy to throw money at a problem
19:27<Godsey>espically when 1000 page views / minute = $6/mo
19:28<iisca>:). ok - so I've decided apache 2.2. But should I run mpm-worker (with fastcgi) or prefok with mod_php?
19:28<Godsey>I make about $0.40/20 page views off adsense alone
19:28<Godsey>iisca: why bother w/ fastcgi?
19:28<Bdragon>Frankly, prefork is good enough
19:28<Bdragon>Why bother unless it becomes a problem?
19:29<Godsey>on one of my servers I use php as a cgi
19:29*Rei-chan will be buying more linodes to load balance if a portal I'm working on takes off.
19:29<Godsey>I use spawn them under jail
19:29<Godsey>works pretty slick :)
19:29*Bdragon codes php for a living, but in Drupal so it's not as bad ;)
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19:29*Rei-chan looked at Drupal.
19:29<Godsey>I do php and coldfusion for a living.
19:30<Godsey>mainly perl to support my sysadmin needs
19:30<Godsey>and which language do you perfer?
19:30<Bdragon>"I just use common lisp for everything"
19:30<Godsey>fortran :P
19:31<Godsey>fortran programmers know how to use the bitbucket
19:31<Rei-chan>Isn't Ruby absurdly popular these days? :)
19:31<Godsey>SpaceHobo: which language?
19:32<Godsey>Rei-chan: no
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19:33<Godsey>shell/awk/sed isn't multibyte friendly
19:33<Godsey>same with ruby really (at least I think it still lacks i18n)
19:34<Godsey>ok echo a string with both " and ' enclosed strings.
19:35<Godsey>I like: q/ :)
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19:36<iisca>Bdragon: yea but when im setting it up i mine as well choose the one that gives me best performance.
19:37<Bdragon>You'll get a lot more bang for the buck running an opcode cache
19:37<iisca>right, im gonna do that as well.
19:38<iisca>u recommend APC or eaccelerator?
19:38<Bdragon>Both apache and lighttpd can be tuned for speed up the wazoo
19:39<Bdragon>Also add xcache to the list
19:39<Bdragon>I personally use eaccelerator, but that's because it's easiest to install via pkgsrc.
19:39<Bdragon>xcache is quite popular lately as well
19:40<Bdragon>Any of them is vastly better than nothing
19:40<Godsey>SpaceHobo: yes
19:41<iisca>ok, lemme rephrase, which one is the most stable? ive heard some bad stories about seg faults in opt code caches causing apache to crash...
19:41<Bdragon>iisca: Nobody agrees on that
19:41<Bdragon>Some people have problems with one and no problems with another
19:41<Bdragon>But the "problem one" for everybody is not the same one
19:41<Godsey>iisca: I don't use any caching
19:42<Bdragon>So just try them all until one works reliably for you ;)
19:43<iisca>was afraid you were gonna say that :). As you can tell i hate spending time on tuning, but its importatnt to me.
19:43<Bdragon>iisca: I have tried eaccelerator and it works great for me. But I don't run apache..
19:44<Bdragon>I do know that it's a bad idea to run mod_php with a threaded MPM ;)
19:44<iisca>Bdragon: why'd u chose lighttpd?
19:45<Bdragon>Because I liked the ideas behind it?
19:45<Bdragon>I started out on a linode 160 and webserving was near the bottom as far as importance when I started
19:45<iisca>ah ok.
19:45<Bdragon>I started with lighttpd because I liked the small footprint
19:46<Godsey>iisca: ab reports 90/sec on a php page that opens a mysql db and does select 1
19:46<Godsey>and that's over the internet, not localhost
19:46<Godsey>iisca: and really if you are worried about performace, use zeus
19:47<Godsey>is lighttpd faster than tux for static content?
19:47<Bdragon>You're comparing a usermode webserver to a kernelmode webserver?
19:48<Bdragon>It's hard to get faster than a kernelmode webserver.
19:48<iisca>never heard of zeus, just looked - does not look like its open source, is it?
19:48<Godsey>I don't know that tux can use aio-sendfile
19:48<Godsey>no, it's not.
19:48<Bdragon>I believe tux would have the files loaded into kernel mem
19:48<Bdragon>godsey mentioned tux
19:49<Bdragon>Well, of course
19:49<Bdragon>Also, you can't run kernel mode webservers on linode (unless it's built into the linode kernel) :P
19:50<Bdragon>If you're that desperate for speed, you need to get more hardware.
19:50<Bdragon>sendfile is good enough.
19:51<iisca>um wow. too bad i dont got the loot for that. I guess if my site ever takes off i will lookinto it.
19:52<Bdragon>Yeah, many busy sites just throw the whole thing behind a set of squids
19:53<iisca>yea, just wanted to make the best decision with what i got available before i go live.
19:54<iisca>only got 1 linode, trying to squeeze all i can out of it
19:54<Godsey>wonder why squid, oops is faster :)
19:55<@caker>iisca: there's always migrating to one of our Xen hosts, too
19:55<iisca>I tried that - they said there was no more available...
19:55<iisca>I just signed up for linode about a week ago.
19:55<iisca>is there some space avail now?
19:55<Godsey>this is also important:
19:55<@caker>ok .. we should have some in Dallas next week
19:56<iisca>yea my node is in dallas. sorry for my ignorance, but xen should give me better performance (more bang for my buck).
19:57<@caker>Yes. Less overhead in the virtualization layer, plus SMP (4 CPUS) vs one with UML
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19:57<Godsey>caker: is disk i/o better?
19:57<iisca>pimp. I'll just get an email when xen space is avail?
19:57<@caker>iisca: if you have a request in already, yes
19:58<iisca>ok thanks everyone for the help. really appreciate it.
19:58<@caker>Godsey: same, or minimal improvement I think. Honestly, I haven't compared, but in theory there should be no difference
19:58<@caker>no token-limiter in Xen (yet?)
19:58<Deckert>caker: has there been any quantitative performance tests done between UML and Xen on one of your hosts?
19:58<Godsey>I wanted to experiment w/ giving each xen host a physical drive
19:59<@caker>Deckert: random tests here and there .. kernel builds and such
19:59<Godsey>via iscsi or maybe ataoe
19:59<Deckert>caker: and is the difference really that significant?
19:59<iisca>ah, 1 more thing. caker: is there some remote db hosting in linode? i thought i ran across some page saying there was but cant find it. like running db server somplace other than ur linode.
19:59<@caker>iisca: not any more -- those were ancient posts
20:00<iisca>ah that explains it. u use cakePHP? that why ur named caker?
20:00<@caker>heh, no -- my name IRL is christopher aker
20:01<iisca>ah ok. later.
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20:03<@caker>Deckert: from about a year ago (same kernel tree): UML make -j1 build: 17m29s, Xen make -j1 build: 5m40s
20:04<Deckert>caker: gosh .. same host more or less?
20:04<@caker>Deckert: make -j6 on Xen: 2m27s
20:04<@caker>yes, it was the same host
20:04<@caker>and, we've got way faster hardware now, too :)
20:04<Deckert>interresting - I still don;t have any reason to migrate (too happy with current stability) ...
20:05<Deckert>caker: but very interresting figures
20:06<@caker>my bad .. 2m27s was the host for make -j6, 3m8s was Xen with -j6
20:06*Deckert nods
20:08*Deckert is off to bed - 3am in this TZ
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20:15<Rei-chan>... did I sign up for the last Xen host on Dallas?
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20:34<@linbot>paulcager: Linode360 - 50, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 25, Linode1080 - 5, Linode1440 - 5
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20:36<@linbot>Rei-chan: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:36<Rei-chan>Well, that was informative. :)
20:36<tpope>!help avail
20:36<@linbot>tpope: (avail <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "linodeavail $*".
20:37<tpope>!help linodeavail
20:37<@linbot>tpope: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type
20:37<tpope>learn something new every day
20:37<tpope>no wait, that wasn't new at all
20:37<Rei-chan>!help uno
20:37<@linbot>mwalling: *click*
20:37<@linbot>tpope: *click*
20:37*Rei-chan judges bots on their ability to play uno and tell the weather.
20:37<Rei-chan>!wz 38122
20:38<Rei-chan>Strictly a work bot, I see.
20:38<tpope>well, if you count russian roulette as work
20:38<tpope>!help weather
20:38<@linbot>tpope: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
20:38<tpope>!weather 78213
20:38<@linbot>tpope: Temperature: 44°F / 7°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.38in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the upper 20s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...decreasing to light and variable after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 5 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Cloudy. A 40 percent chance (1 more message)
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20:39<clanehin>!weather rdu
20:39<@linbot>clanehin: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of snow this evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Additional snow accumulation around an inch possible. Colder with lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Sunday - Sunny and cold. Highs (1 more message)
20:40<mwalling>!weather alb
20:40<@linbot>mwalling: Temperature: 29°F / -2°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers this evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Lows around 13. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs around 18. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to (1 more message)
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20:43<@linbot>clanehin: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
20:44<JDLSpeedy>!weather sorrento, fl
20:44<@linbot>JDLSpeedy: Temperature: 67.3°F / 19.6°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy this evening then becoming partly cloudy overnight. Breezy and cooler by early morning. Showers and strong thunderstorms likely in the evening. Some storms may become severe with damaging winds. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 (2 more messages)
20:45<Rei-chan>!weather 33822
20:46<Rei-chan>"Er, no.
20:46<Rei-chan>!weather 38122
20:46<@linbot>Rei-chan: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Colder. Mostly clear. Lows 15 to 20. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Southeast winds around 10 mph.;
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20:46<Rei-chan>New zip. Ah, I see its positive %$^#stick outside.
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21:00<schmichael>!weather 61606
21:01<@linbot>schmichael: Temperature: 2°F / -17°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Bitterly cold. Clear. Lows around 7 below. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings 14 below to 24 below zero.; Sunday - Bitterly cold. Increasing clouds. Highs around 14. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Lowest wind chill readings 10 below to 20 below (1 more message)
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21:50<Tenkawa>evening all
21:50<Tenkawa>whats new
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22:05<Athenon>craigory entered an invalid password too many times on my hotmail account and it got locked
22:06<mwalling>Athenon: sounds like a wonderful friend to have :)
22:06<Athenon>hes not a friend
22:06<Athenon>hes a big asshole
22:07<mwalling>oh i know, i've had them
22:07<Athenon>how do i get rid of him? -_-
22:07<@caker> /ignore ?
22:07<Athenon>caker: ignoring doesnt unfreeze an msn account
22:08<Athenon>and he IS on ignore
22:08<tpope>why would msn have a abusable policy like that
22:08<scorche>then i suppose you shouldnt use hotmail..
22:08<tpope>and why use a provider that does...
22:08<Athenon>ive had it for years...i got it when i was like 10 or something
22:09<tpope>well consider this a cue to begin a gradual migration to gmail
22:09<tpope>craigory did you a favor :)
22:09<Athenon>im happy where i am
22:09<Athenon>if hed just leave me the hell alone
22:10<tpope>even though they've given your arch nemesis the ability to lock you out of your email
22:10<tpope>you're happy?
22:10<Athenon>this isnt my fault...i dont appreciate you making it like it is.
22:10<tpope>I'm not saying it is
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22:11<Athenon>sorry, im tense right now...hes pissing off and i dont know how to get rid of him
22:11<tpope>but if you leave yourself in a vulnerable position you're just setting yourself up for further disappointment
22:11<scorche>just like leaving a port open on your server and if someone comes in and does something malicious it isnt your fault?
22:11<mwalling>Athenon: the real life version of /ignore
22:11<mwalling>it takes a while, but trolls get bored
22:11<tpope>who the hell is this guy anyways
22:11<Athenon>an idiot.
22:11<tpope>why is he a part of your life at all
22:11<tpope>co-worker? classmate? neighbor?
22:11<Athenon>i dunno, he lives in the UK...i had a server as part of his network at one time...he was fine then
22:11<mwalling>tpope: he popped in here earlier trying to get Athenon's account yanked for running an ircd
22:12<Athenon>not at all...i only know him online -_-
22:12<tpope>oh wow
22:12<A-KO>scorche: "leaving a port open" lolololololololol
22:12<A-KO>come on now
22:13<A-KO>There's no such thing as "leaving a port open"
22:13<A-KO>Your computer just doesn't vulnerably "listen on ports"
22:13<A-KO>Technically speaking if you're running no services that listen on public interfaces you don't need any sort of firewall.
22:13<scorche>yeah, but i havent had anything to eat today and you get the point..
22:13<A-KO>And obviously if you are running public services, blocking access to that is not a necessity.
22:14<A-KO>actually, stating it in that manner makes you look like a fool :/
22:14<A-KO>Athenon: You should choose who you talk to on the internet more wisely
22:15<A-KO>Athenon: script kiddies aren't a good group to talk to
22:15<Athenon>i didnt know he was one at the time
22:15<Athenon>or i wouldnt have
22:15<A-KO>stay away from counterstrike, people who have botnets, people who are going to "teach you hacking" lol.
22:15<Athenon>i didnt know he had a botnet at the time
22:16<mwalling>omg im going to pownzor your ass with my now scope awp kill
22:16<mwalling>dude... pump shottie, back door
22:17<A-KO>haha mwalling
22:17<A-KO>mwalling: It's just I've found there are just too many packet kiddies or people with that mentality in the counterstrike arena
22:17<mwalling>i had friends in highschool who played CS way too much
22:17<mwalling>totally agree with you
22:18<A-KO>I dunno what it is either....
22:19<A-KO>like what attracts them to that game
22:19<A-KO>but there were all sorts of groups based on 'em
22:19<A-KO>myg0t, etc.
22:19<Rei-chan>are ircds against the linode terms of service? I don't feel like opening firefox.
22:19<A-KO>no Rei-chan
22:19<mwalling>Rei-chan: not at all
22:19<Rei-chan>so, this guy just decided "ZOMG IRCD EV1 HATES THOSE I'LL GET HIM BANZORED!"
22:19<@caker>oftc has a few Linode nodes, fwiw :)
22:19*Rei-chan got a second IP for an ircd. :)
22:20<A-KO>I would run a linode ircd if it weren't for running out of atlanta, but it's not too big of a deal
22:20<mwalling>Rei-chan: sounds about right
22:20<A-KO>I do run an eggdrop off of mine
22:20<@caker>(sponsored by Linode)
22:20<Rei-chan>I was wondering wy you're not on freenode.
22:20<opello>as a point of interest ... what's wrong with counter-strike? :p
22:20<mwalling>caker: so thats how you're a netrep?
22:20<Rei-chan>Two words: Bunny hopping.
22:20<@caker>mwalling: yup
22:20<A-KO>opello: Not too much with the game, it's the people.
22:20<A-KO>Many of the mentalities of the gamers are just so bad
22:20<Rei-chan>That's right, keep jumping.
22:21<opello>Rei-chan: that's quake, heh
22:21<mwalling>its like gentoo :)
22:21*Rei-chan plays halo for PC eery once in a blue moon.
22:21<Rei-chan>I LOVE the CS kiddies.
22:21<opello>A-KO: i'll give you that, some of the people are pretty bad
22:21<Rei-chan>That's right, bunny hop and play with the sniper rifle.
22:22*Rei-chan plays a lot of, at times, SWAT 4.
22:22<Rei-chan>I enjoy the CS mentality in SWAT 4. It means I'm doing my job right.
22:22<Rei-chan>You're not playing right till people call you a homosexual and suggest that you're not human.
22:24<Rei-chan>"Fucking aimbot!"
22:24<Rei-chan>Batou_Parrot has neutralized Idiot with the SMG.
22:24<Rei-chan>If I were using aimbot, it wouldn't of taken 25 rounds to kill someone.
22:35*linbot takes aim
22:36<@linbot>opello: *click*
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23:21<@linbot>New news from forums: Negative Time Delta Error w/Gameserver in Xen Public Beta <>
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23:42<Antharro|away>Hi all :)
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23:42<Antharro>Could I bug someone with an Apache config issue please?
23:42<@caker>ask away
23:44<Antharro>I have a few virtual servers set up, which Apache seems fine with. These are located in /home/htdocs/ One of the sites has a cgi-bin directory which Apache isn't looking at correctly. I don't know what I need to put in the virtual server's config to make it look in the correct location for cgi scripts.
23:44<Antharro>It's looking in /var/www/cgi-bin instead of /home/htdocs/
23:45<@caker>ScriptAlias /cgi-bin /path/to/cgi-bin
23:45<Antharro>Hmm, that's what I thought. Lemme go check it again.
23:45<@caker>^-- inside the <virtualhost> directives
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23:47<Antharro>Okay, was missing the -bin off the first cgi-bin. So it's now looking in the right place but has an issue with the script; "premature end of script headers".
23:47<Antharro>But thanks for sorting that first issue! :)
23:47<@caker>Antharro: tail -f error_log
23:49<Antharro>error_log presumably being the error log for that particular site...
23:49<Antharro>Hmm, interesting.
23:52<Antharro>Premature end of script headers: bnbform.cgi, referer: (website referrer here)
23:56<Antharro>Oh. Got a "No such file or directory" error in there, too.
23:57<Antharro>Well, the file and directory definitely exist.
23:57<Antharro>File is CHMODded to 777, just to cover all possibilites there.
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23:59<@caker>what happens when you run that file from the command line?
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