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---Logopened Wed May 21 00:00:08 2008
---Daychanged Wed May 21 2008
00:00<irgeek>maqr: Who? Atlanta? I'd hardly say they are bastards because they got hit by lightning.
00:00<path->they should play the lotto!
00:00<irgeek>Highly religious people might say it was proof, however.
00:00<maqr>they got hit by lightning?
00:00<maqr>didn't they go down a few months back too?
00:01<maqr>does lightning strike twice at atlantanap?
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00:08<irgeek>I need to have a command that does mkdir and cd in one shot. The extra typing is dumb.
00:08*Solver likes that he can set the rev dns entry
00:09<Peng>maqr: No, trucks and lightning each strike once.
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00:09<jkwood>What about a truck that gets struck by lightning?
00:11<irgeek>It opens a wormhole.
00:12<jkwood>To Canadia?
00:12<maqr>Peng: it was a truck last time!?
00:13<jkwood>! people still use trucks?!?!
00:13<path->only hybrid trucks
00:13<path->atlanta is green
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00:17<Peng>maqr: I thought a truck hit a power pole, but I can't find proof at the moment. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
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00:18<irgeek>I think you're thinking of the incident that happened in the RussiaNAP, and it was the power pole that hit the truck.
00:22<mendel>truck hit a power pole sounds like rackspace in dallas last fall, took basecamp and us (freshbooks) out and lots of other web 2.0 type sites
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00:34<irgeek>What's Web 2.0?
00:34<jkwood>irgeek: AJAX, mostly.
00:35<irgeek>I never liked for cleaning my bathtub, and I don't like it now!
00:36<irgeek>s/liked/liked it /
00:37<jkwood>Obviously you have too much J and not enough X.
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00:37<bob2>it's all about AJAJ now anyway
00:38<irgeek>jkwood: My X life is none of your business!
00:38<irgeek>bob2: That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
00:39<jkwood>Never heard of it.
00:39<bob2>eh, the x in 'ajax' is xml, but all the kool kids use json
00:40<jkwood>Erm.. not really.
00:40<irgeek>Clearly jkwood isn't one of the cool kids.
00:41<jkwood>I'm using irssi in screen over ssh. I highly doubt I've even made it to web 1.0.
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00:43<irgeek>!google smarthost
00:43<linbot>irgeek: Search took 0.16 seconds: Smart host - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; SMTP SmartHost: <>; MS Exchange - Smart Host - SMTP Authentication setup to use Mail Relay: <>; How to Configure Exchange Server 2003 to Use a Smart Host IP Address: (2 more messages)
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00:43<irgeek>The first is Wikipedia, the next few are about pointing Exchange at a smarthost.
00:44<irgeek>Methinks--actually, meknows, but that's not a word--that Exchange has troubles playing nicely on the Internet.
00:44<bob2>o rly
00:44<Bdragon>shit, it has trouble playing nicely with its own clients
00:45<irgeek>Exchange {2003|2007} + Entourage * = Epic fail!
00:47*irgeek blows smoke up ex client's ass
00:50<irgeek>The smarthost I have for said ex client gets a lot of backscatter from their Exchange server.
00:50<lesterc>irgeek: like those silly retraction notes? :)
00:51<bob2>how do you get backscatter from exchange?
00:51<bob2>if you are their outgoing smarthost
00:52<Bdragon>Speaking of backscatter, how about "stupid corporate mail virus scanners"
00:52<irgeek>Their Exchange server is the MX, my system is the smarthost for their Exchange server. Exchange accepts mail, decides it's spam, then sends a bounce to the smarthost for delivery.
00:53<bob2>oh, ouch
00:53<Bdragon>smarthost takes one look at it and deliviers it to the /dev/null mailbox
00:53<Bdragon>(if only)
00:53<RiverRat>Anyone in here use denyhosts to block brute force ssh attacks?
00:54<irgeek>I perfer to ignore them.
00:54<Dustin>i use denyhosts
00:54<bob2>RiverRat: yes
00:54<RiverRat>bob2: I just found a weird bug. Is you 'listen' line set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
00:54<bob2>so it use a detectable bounce format or some ad-hoc ms-specific thing?
00:54<RiverRat>Or is it defaulting to all addresses?
00:55<bob2>RiverRat: no, yes
00:55<jkwood>irgeek: Ostrich algorithm?
00:55<RiverRat>crap, mine is working with the line commented out.
00:55<Bdragon>FWIW, listen will usually work around oddness involving binding to both ipv4 and ipv6 sockets at the same time..
00:55<RiverRat>I had to set it or sshd ignored /etc/hosts.deny
00:56<bob2>you mean ListenAddress, right?
00:56<irgeek>bob2: No, they are regular bounces, but Exchange is terrible at blocking spam during the SMTP conversation.
00:56<bob2>I'd be supersurprised if not having a ListenAddress disabled tcpwrappers
00:57<RiverRat>bob2: I've been fighting this thing for about 5 hours, here it does.
00:57<bob2>irgeek: clearly you need to sell them spam filtering services too
00:57<bob2>RiverRat: what os?
00:57<Bdragon>libwrap and multiple-protocols-at-the-same-time are NOT best friends...
00:57<RiverRat>Bdragon: And didn't work right either according to one forum poster.
00:57<RiverRat>Linux :p
00:58<bob2>did you compiled in tcpwrappers?
00:58<RiverRat>Well of course or it wouldn't work after setting ListenAddress either.
00:58<Bdragon> for ipv4, :: for ipv6...
00:58<Bdragon>* for both, but not if you use wrappers
00:58<Dustin>RiverRat, i run gentoo also, i don't have listenaddress set
00:59<bob2>are you using ipv6? two ips on your linode?
00:59<RiverRat>Bdragon: According to this poster didn't work right either.
00:59<RiverRat>Dustin: Can you actually confirm that it is working?
00:59<RiverRat>Dustin: Give me a hostname and I'll try and see if it blocks me. If so then can you add a comment to my bug?
01:00<Bdragon>you shouldn't ever attempt to CONNECT to though
01:00<Bdragon>only bind to it...
01:00<RiverRat>Dustin: denyhosts was making entries to /etc/hosts.deny but sshd was ignoring them.
01:00<Bdragon>connecting to doesn't make sense...
01:00<Bdragon>means you're trying to connect to all interfaces at once...
01:00<RiverRat>No, I think you are misreading what he was saying. I think he was just listening to it.
01:00<Dustin>May 20 06:22:03 ferrous sshd[11446]: refused connect from ::ffff: (::ffff:
01:01<Dustin>and is in /etc/hosts.deny
01:01<RiverRat>Dustin: Well you are using IPv6 so that may be different.
01:01<Bdragon>yeah, but it's ipv6...
01:01<Bdragon>You probabaly shouldn't be listening on both ipv4 and ipv6 at the same time from one daemon
01:01<Dustin>i just recently started using ipv6, it worked when i was using ipv4 also
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01:01<RiverRat>Dustin: I'd suggests that you test that. I will if you want or get a friend to do it.
01:01<irgeek>Maybe the maintainers broke IPV4 to encourage people to move to IPV6
01:01<Bdragon>as I said, tcpwrappers isn't smart enough
01:02<Bdragon>It can handle either/or, but not both/and
01:02<bob2>Bdragon: wfm
01:02<RiverRat>Dustin: Well if you are positive that it worked then you should add a comment to the bug report.
01:02<Bdragon>OK, then maybe it's denyhosts that is dumb :P
01:02<Bdragon>I personally have had issues with libwrap and *
01:02<RiverRat>Bdragon: No, the entries are getting made. they are just getting ignored.
01:03<Bdragon>Maybe it got fixed, maybe not..
01:03<Bdragon>Yeah, they're ipv4 addresses
01:04<Bdragon>I still say you should run two daemons ;)
01:05<RiverRat>Well I haven't moved to IPv6 yet so....
01:08<irgeek>RiverRat: If you're not using IPV6, try changing the denyhosts entries to be IPV6. Maybe libwrap is looking for IPV6.
01:09*RiverRat looks at the config flags for tcp-wrappers
01:10<Bdragon>interesting... what version of denyhosts?
01:10<RiverRat>[ebuild R ] sys-apps/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r8 USE="-ipv6" 0 kB <-- Doesn't look like it irgeek
01:11<Bdragon>I still say the problem is it's accepting the connection over ipv6
01:11<RiverRat>[ebuild R ] app-admin/denyhosts-2.6-r1 0 kB
01:11<lesterc>so guys: how well does CentOS works in a corporate environment when compared with ubuntu/debian?
01:11<RiverRat>Bdragon: No, I have -ipv6 in my global USE flags.
01:12<RiverRat>Highly unlikely
01:12*lesterc never used CentOS or RH for anything serious in the last 10 years...
01:12<Bdragon>Oh, - means "don't"?
01:12<RiverRat>Yes, in that context.
01:12<RiverRat>No dash means enabled.
01:12<Bdragon>then you DEFINATELY don't want to listen on *
01:12<Bdragon>on a dual stack machine
01:12<path->AMD | Intel
01:12<Bdragon>no, ipv4 + ipv6
01:13<RiverRat>Definitely :p
01:13<RiverRat>that too. :)
01:13<RiverRat>Battousai: You still a gentoo dev?
01:13<Bdragon>sshd is accepting the connections over ipv4 to ipv6 translation...
01:13<Bdragon>so it's acting like an ipv6 connectino...
01:14<Bdragon>and libwrap is expecting ipv4...
01:14<irgeek>lesterc: I've never been impressed with RH or derivatives. But corporations love the support contracts so they are popular. I've only used CentOS for a PBX, but it was alright.
01:14<RiverRat>Bdragon: So are you saying the linode host box is accepting the connection as an IPv6 connection and passing it to my VM as an IPv4 connection?
01:14<Bdragon>I'm saying your stack is treating it like an ipv6 socket
01:15<Bdragon>oh wait
01:15<Bdragon>00:01] <Dustin> May 20 06:22:03 ferrous sshd[11446]: refused connect from ::ffff: (::ffff:
01:15<RiverRat>Is my UML kernel accepting the connection as an IPv6?
01:15<Bdragon>ha, was referring to the wrong one ;)
01:15<Bdragon>Sorry, I've been going in reference to Dustin's comment the whole time
01:15<RiverRat>Yeah, I haven't pasted a line.
01:15<Bdragon>HAHAHA, it's 00:15, I should probabaly just call it a night and go to bed
01:15<irgeek>RiverRat: Do your ssh logs have the ffff in the addresses?
01:15<RiverRat>ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host <-- That's my failure from a remote box now that it is working.
01:16<RiverRat>irgeek: Nope. They are edited in that bug but they are clearly IPv4 addresses.
01:16<lesterc>irgeek: yeah I wonder I outsource/delegate support so I am re-thinking about RH/CentOS. >:)
01:16<bob2>I dunno, I do have ipv6 connectivity, no ListenAddress line, and the entries in my hosts.deny are regular ipv4
01:17<RiverRat>Hrm, well I don't know. It is going to take someone with more time and a debugger to sort through all of this.
01:17<irgeek>lesterc: I meant the other support contracts. As in "RH just blew up in our faces, who do we call?"
01:17<lesterc>s/I wonder I /I wonder if I should/
01:17<Bdragon>What's the actual problem, btw?
01:18<Bdragon>I went off on a tangent right away
01:19<RiverRat>Asking me Bdragon? Or a different tangent?
01:19<Bdragon>Yeah, you
01:19<Bdragon>I can't seem to find any reference as to what your actual problem was XD
01:19<RiverRat> sshd was ignoring /etc/hosts.deny
01:19<RiverRat>I have it sorted now. I just wanted to see if it was a problem on other distros or for other Gentoo users.
01:20<linbot>New news from forums: Spam Assassin on a Linode 360? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
01:20<bob2>so what was the deal?
01:21<RiverRat>bob2: I had to put a real IP address in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the ListenAddress line or sshd ignored /etc/hosts.deny entries.
01:21*Bdragon is guessing dual stack binding and defaulting to ipv6 with sockets even for ipv4 connections
01:22<bob2>that doesn't really sounds like a solution or explanation
01:22<bob2>does ipv6ifying the addressess in hosts.deny help?
01:22<Bdragon>If ListenAddress :: also breaks...
01:22<Bdragon>(and lets you still actually connect)
01:22<RiverRat>I have disabled IPv6 system wide on the box.
01:22<bob2>'ip -6 a' prints nothing?
01:23<Bdragon>Don't know if you can actually do that
01:23<Bdragon>you don't have control over the kernel...
01:23<RiverRat>command not found
01:23<bob2>/sbin/ip -6 a, then
01:23<RiverRat>Bdragon: I did ask that question a few minutes ago.
01:23<RiverRat>[23:14:Tue]<RiverRat> Bdragon: So are you saying the linode host box is accepting the connection as an IPv6 connection and passing it to my VM as an IPv4 connection?
01:23<bob2>or 'ifconfig -a | grep inet6'
01:24<Bdragon>RiverRat: If anything, precicely the other way around
01:24<RiverRat>I think I asked that too.
01:24<Bdragon>accepting it as an ipv4 address and mangling it to an ipv6 address and shoving it into the ipv6 socket
01:24<Bdragon>instead of the ipv4 socket..
01:25<RiverRat>bob2: Well I do have a global flag disabling it but it appears that is not the case as ifconfig is clearly returning both IPv[46] addresses. :/
01:25<irgeek>RiverRat: IPV6 isn't disabled system-wide because it's in the kernel. I'd bet that has something to do with it. Have you tried turning on IPV6 for libwrap & ssh and see if that fixes it?
01:25<Bdragon>RiverRat: You can probabaly twiddle around in /proc
01:25<Bdragon>and turn ipv6 off for the kernel as well..
01:25<Bdragon>somewhere whereaobuts /proc/sys/net
01:25<bob2>I don't think so
01:25<RiverRat>How do I disable it in the kernel for a linode?
01:26<bob2>you can't
01:26<bob2>and there's no point
01:26<bob2>I think irgeek is probably right
01:26<Bdragon>make sure /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only isn't 1 or something silly like that...
01:26<RiverRat>irgeek: I haven't. It is in production now so I'll add that to the todo list.
01:27<RiverRat>It isn't.
01:28<RiverRat>Hrm, well now I have some things to think about.
01:28<RiverRat>Thanks guys.
01:28*RiverRat goes exploring things
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01:32<irgeek>You know, if you say you're going to call someone around a specific time, and that time is 10PM in their local TZ, the person you're going to call shouldn't still be waiting for your call at 11:30PM. :\
01:37<RiverRat>Is said person of the female species?
01:38<RiverRat>They have a different rule book.
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01:41<irgeek>Most definitely not.
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06:27<maggot>i need to spaek with admin
06:27<maggot>or support
06:28<maggot>still the only maggot
06:28<SpaceMagot>I rule you in contempt of bug
06:28<SpaceMagot>in space
06:28<SpaceMagot>Les Deux Magots in Paris makes a killer hot chocolate
06:29<maggot>i have a problem
06:29<maggot>can u help me
06:30<maggot>i have been trying for some time ro resolve a problem
06:30<jkwood>SpaceHobo: Up to your old tricks, I see.
06:31<maggot>all my domain are showing the same web pages
06:31<bob2>is the problem that you can't get name-based virtual hosting to work?
06:31<maggot>i have tried
06:31<maggot>i can,t
06:31<maggot>resolve it
06:31<bob2>maggot: which document have you been following?
06:31<maggot>i configured
06:31<maggot>u one i was given here
06:32<maggot>i did that bro
06:32<maggot>oh i do sll
06:32<maggot>i do ssl
06:32<bob2>maggot: paste bin all your files from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
06:32<maggot>My server is running on ssl
06:32<bob2>SpaceHobo: it's not just apache, noone implements startls for http
06:33<maggot>no problem
06:33<maggot>i will paste
06:33<bob2>maggot: also the url to the document you followed
06:33<maggot>i will
06:34<maggot>u are kidding
06:34<maggot>i will paste them
06:34<maggot>no problem
06:34<jkwood>He's our head troll.
06:34<maggot>i will paste them in pastebin
06:35<bob2>does 'today' == 'now' ?
06:35<maggot>but i ,m on a public PC now
06:36<maggot>i don,t have ssh client on this PC
06:36<maggot>when i get home
06:36<maggot>i will paste
06:36<bob2>how were you planning to get help now if you can't access the server?
06:36<maggot>bob2 please give me ur email
06:36<maggot>so i can send to u
06:36<irgeek>maggot: How are we supposed to help you if you can't access your Linode?
06:36<bob2>private support = $200/hour!
06:37<maggot>i don,t have ssh client
06:37<irgeek>I'll do it for $199/hour.
06:37<bob2>come back later and pastebin your config files and someone might be able to help you
06:37<maggot>no problem
06:37<maggot>i will be back soon
06:37<irgeek>You know, you could have done this last night when we asked you to ...
06:37<jkwood>$210 with a free package of Kleenex!
06:38<maggot>i was sick
06:38<bob2>expensive tissues
06:38<maggot>had a terrible headche
06:38<irgeek>maggot: BTW, I'm guessing you ignored my response to you last night.
06:38<jkwood>Thus the Kleenex.
06:38<maggot>i pasted it there
06:38<irgeek>The tiny little snippet you posted then is missing DocumentRoot
06:39<maggot>i will paste all when i come back
06:39<irgeek>You pasted the first diff. I pasted the update
06:39<bob2>maggot: bear in mind that all https:// urls will point at ONE site on your server
06:39<maggot>i had serious haedache trying to figure out how this linux thing works
06:39<irgeek>Do you really have a /public_html directory?
06:40<maggot>not https
06:40<maggot>just http
06:40<maggot>i have
06:40<maggot>the have the public_html directory
06:40<maggot>that is where i uplaod the web pages
06:40<irgeek>At the top of your directory tree?
06:41<irgeek>That's not where it should be.
06:41<irgeek>But that's a problem for another night.
06:41<maggot>how do i do
06:41<irgeek>Did you look at the link?
06:41<maggot>i cehcked it
06:41<irgeek>Do you see the lines in yellow?
06:42<irgeek>That's your problem, I think. Your second virtual host doesn't have a DocumentRoot
06:42<irgeek>And it needs that.
06:42<maggot>i will check it out
06:43<maggot>i will try
06:43<maggot>but if i can,t
06:43<maggot>maybe someone will be kind enough to do for me
06:43<bob2>then come back and ask for help, politely
06:43<irgeek>Uh, wow. That was a lame response to give someone who's tried to help you several times.
06:43<maggot>i will give him access
06:44<irgeek>maybe someone will be kind enough to do for me <---- No. We won't.
06:44<bob2>handing out root access to randoms on irc seems suboptimal
06:44<irgeek>If you want to run your own server, you need to learn how to.
06:44<maggot>but I,m learning
06:44<maggot>we all make mistakes
06:45<irgeek>Give a man a fish... yadayadayada
06:45<maggot>were u born with linux in ur head
06:45<encode>maggot: yep
06:45<irgeek>Yes, we all make mistakes, but you also don't listen. That's not a good way to encourage us to help you.
06:45<maggot>i don,t think so
06:45<encode>in fact, my head is powered by linux
06:45<maggot>i see
06:45<encode>linus wrote linux based on my head
06:46<encode>clearly, we all started somewhere. usually with a man page or some other doco
06:46<maggot>dont worry dude
06:46<maggot>i will learn
06:46<maggot>it is just a matter of time
06:47<irgeek>If you don't listen to us when we try to help, it will take a lot longer.
06:47<irgeek>What have you learned tonight?
06:47<maggot>what do u want to hear
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06:48<irgeek>I want you to tell me what you learned being in this chat room tonight.
06:48<maggot>how to configure my apache
06:49<encode>well, not really. you were spoonfed that
06:49<irgeek>We didn't tell you that much. We told you a few specific things.
06:49<maggot>i will need to check out my dorectory
06:50<maggot>Your second virtual host doesn't have a DocumentRoot
06:50<maggot>that is what u said teacher
06:51<maggot>so I will try and fix it
06:51<irgeek>No. This is what I'm talking about. You weren't listening. We told you it's not too useful to be in a place you can't access you Linode if you want help. We told you that your web dir should not be at the top of the tree. We told you that you need a DocumentRoot directive in each virtual host definition.
06:51<maggot>I know
06:52<irgeek>People here are happy to help you, but you need to help us help you.
06:52<maggot>i COPY
06:52<irgeek>You copy what?
06:53<maggot>It means I understood
06:53<maggot>military term
06:53<irgeek>Oh, that copy.
06:54<maggot>so I will be back soon
06:54<maggot>I will paste my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ here
06:54<maggot>so u can help me out
06:55<maggot>thanks my master
06:56<irgeek>Sarcasm towards us will not raise our collective opinion of you. Believe me.
06:56*jkwood blinks
06:58<jkwood>I think that means "More groveling."
06:58<maggot>talk to u guys later
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06:59<irgeek>That was painful.
06:59<encode>im thinking about an /ignore
06:59<jkwood>irgeek: Hail, teacher!
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07:00<irgeek>Who PMed me? It came up in a growl pop-up, then disappeared.
07:00<encode>irgeek: i /notice'd you...
07:00<jkwood>Not me, although I can give it a try if you'd like.
07:00<irgeek>Oh. That makes sense then.
07:01<irgeek>Colloquy doesn't log those. I barely read it before it faded.
07:01<encode>i was just saying that i found your statement " If you don't listen to us when we try to help, it will take a lot longer." quite funny
07:01<encode>but i didn't really want to say that in the middle of your conversation with maggot
07:01<dhsonny>has anyone had any issues cloning a older UML linode to a new Xen linode?
07:02<encode>dhsonny: cloning? as in duplicating the disk image entirely?
07:02<irgeek>I understand.
07:02<irgeek>I was just wondering why Colloquy did what it did.
07:03<dhsonny>encode: actually using the clone feature in the settings and utilities tab of the linode manager?
07:03<irgeek>I might have to hop over to their channel some time and figure out how to make them stick around a little longer.
07:03<irgeek>I've never cloned a Linode.
07:04<encode>dhsonny: oh. I haven't personally used that clone feature. If you're having a specific problem, can you share the details?
07:04<irgeek>I just blow them up and start over.
07:04<encode>otherwise, raise a ticket with the details, and see what the admins say
07:04<encode>I'm like irgeek, I blow up my linodes till I get them just right, then I don't touch them
07:04<irgeek>You could try copying the disk images and recreating the profile.
07:05<irgeek>Profiles are platform dependent to an extent.
07:05<dhsonny>hmm ... looking to confirm with someone befoe I harrass the admins
07:05<irgeek>Because of the kernel and ubd/xbd differences.
07:06<encode>dhsonny: maybe ask on the forums?
07:06<dhsonny>will do .. thanks for the confirmation
07:06<encode>questions on the forums are a little more persistent
07:06<irgeek>Many more people will see them.
07:06<encode>if people aren't paying attention in irc when you ask your question, they'll never realise it was asked
07:07<irgeek>See, nobody is paying attention. :)
07:07*jkwood pokes mikegrb
07:08*mikegrb pokes jkwood
07:08<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
07:08<encode>slackware doesn't seem to trigger anymore
07:08<dhsonny>thanks for the info
07:08<@tasaro>dhsonny: did you have a problem or just asking beforehand?
07:08<encode>or maybe it does, just not with an exclamation mark at the end
07:08<jkwood>Heh... I was going to cake. LOL
07:08<encode>jkwood: now look what you've done. You've woken *two* linode admins!
07:08<@tasaro>because it should work without a hitch
07:09<jkwood>I'm amazing.
07:09<irgeek>encode: It's got a probability attached.
07:09<fred>s/\.$/ly broken./
07:10<encode>irgeek: so I'm more probable than you?
07:14<irgeek>encode: Can you send me another /notice, I need to check if my fix will keep it around long enough to read.
07:15<irgeek>NM. I never tried to notice myself before, but it works.
07:18<irgeek>They're still disappearing. Now I have a bug and an annoying feature. Yay!
07:18<mwalling>awwww... i missed maggot this morning
07:19<encode>mwalling: fortunately there's always scrollback, or channel logs
07:19<jkwood>He's supposed to come back later.
07:21<mwalling>encode: read it
07:21<mwalling>god he gets stupider each time he joins
07:22<encode>is that possible?
07:22<irgeek>IRC is hard. It's making him dumber.
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07:30*mwalling reads RFO, waits to see if AN bitched to SouthernCo, who bitches to us
07:31<irgeek>Yeah, I like to do that too.
07:37<HoopyCat>welp, so much for geohashing
07:37<HoopyCat>20% land, 78% water, 2% foreign lands
07:38<bob2>the tyrrany of geography
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07:52<jkwood>"Look, it's our old friend, the Craw."
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08:06<HoopyCat>jkwood: is that from the chinese version of inspector gadget?
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08:06<jkwood>HoopyCat: "Cone of Silence."
08:08<mwalling>can you run GigE over 5e?
08:09<StevenK>5e or 6 is fine for GigE
08:09<bob2>up to some cable length
08:09<bob2>50m iircv
08:09<mwalling>this is within the rack
08:09<StevenK>Hmm. Bit shorter than I thought
08:09<mwalling>so, i dont think i'll need 50 m
08:10<StevenK>mwalling: Wrap it around and around the rack until you do
08:11<StevenK>(Neat cabling, oh yeah)
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08:32<encode>i thought 5e was fine up to 100m, but 6 has better shielding
08:32<encode>could be wrong though
08:34<mwalling>i'm looking at 10' tops, so...
08:36<encode>then some wet string should just about do the trick
08:36<encode>provided you only want about 300 baud
08:36<Hobbsee>proper australian wet string?
08:37<encode>the genuine article, sure
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08:48<mwalling>does CDW have a dead tree catalog?
08:48<jkwood>It's not terribly impressive.
08:49<mwalling>so its not like ratshacks old big-book?
08:49<Hobbsee>dead trees are overrated, anyway
08:49<jkwood>Not at all.
08:49<jkwood>More like...
08:49*jkwood grasps for something comparable
08:49*jkwood grasps for a CDW catalog
08:49<mwalling>jkwood: a dell mailer?
08:50<mwalling>Hobbsee: dead trees work whell when dealing with secretaries old enough to be your great grandmother
08:50<Hobbsee>mwalling: ah, yes. you've reminded me of my coworker now.
08:50<Hobbsee>she's most upset that the powers that be will not cater towards the old people, and require that training is to be done online now.
08:51<Hobbsee>and that she'd go and print out the pages herself, and do it that way, and send them in, instead.
08:51<Hobbsee>even her telling someone else which option she wanted, so she didn't have to use the computer, wasn't a good enough option
08:51<jkwood>Not as bad as a Dell mailer, I don't think.
08:52<jkwood>Somewhere between there and a Tigerdirect catalog.
08:52<jkwood>Which I don't think I receive anymore.
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09:05<skn>does anyone know if the availability dates are good estimates? Anyway to get into a waiting list
09:07<HoopyCat>for the lower plans (360's, etc) they're often somewhat pessimistic; i'd check back daily. and nope, no waiting lists afaik
09:07<skn>HoppyCat: thanks
09:07<@caker>should be later this week for Fremont
09:07<skn>caker: and atlanta?
09:08<@caker>a while
09:08<skn>hmm.. thanks
09:08<@caker>mabye a few weeks for new servers, but probably slots opening up due to migrations and cancellations, etc
09:11<skn>caker: ok. thanks again
09:15<TJF>morning ladies
09:15*jkwood wonders why TJF is talking to himself
09:16<TJF>jkwood: talking to you sucka
09:16<linbot>tasaro: Linode360 - 2, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0, Linode2880 - 0
09:16<TJF>oh noes!
09:17<@tasaro>TJF: grab 'em and auction tem on eBay!
09:17<linbot>Fremont360 - 1, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
09:17<jkwood>I'll give you a dollar.
09:17<@tasaro>jkwood: per day?
09:17<Hobbsee>oh, shit.
09:17<jkwood>Per ever.
09:17<Hobbsee>damn that wasn't smart.
09:17<TJF>per hour
09:17*mwalling points to the free 360 in HE
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09:18<path->that would be odd... auctioning linodes on ebay
09:18<path->"one slightly used linode"
09:18<TJF>new in box!
09:18<Hobbsee>mwalling: gasp.
09:18<Hobbsee>mwalling: bet that won't last long.
09:19<Nigel>wow, nearly sold out
09:19<Nigel>tasaro: you must have enough servers now :P
09:21<Nigel>hmmm, just under 3gig of RAM isn't a bad offer either
09:21<@tasaro>well, i have a couple hundred pounds of heat sinks in the back of my truck
09:22<jkwood>tasaro: To absorb lightning strikes?
09:23<@caker>to smelt into shields and weapons
09:23*mikegrb smelts mwalling
09:24<@mikegrb>such an awesome word
09:24<mwalling>mikegrb: what do you get when you smelt mwalling ?
09:24<jkwood>So you guys are joining my Viking revolution.
09:24<HoopyCat>yo momma so linode, she burns in servers all week long and then ships them to faraway datacenters
09:24<@tasaro>I'm going to have them made into a large, 3-D, copper Linode logo
09:24<HoopyCat>ok, so the "yo momma so linode" jokes don't work.
09:24<jkwood>be back ina bit... breakfast run.
09:24<mwalling>tasaro: i'll buy it
09:24<@mikegrb>mwalling: for 80 thousand dollars
09:25<mwalling>you pay me 80k
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09:27<TJF>mikegrb: did 79 reboot last night?
09:28<TJF>in atl
09:29<mwalling>i've 5 gold star'd that song
09:29<Isvara>TJF: What manual page do you want?
09:29<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
09:29<mwalling>Hobbsee: nice
09:29<mwalling>you buy it?
09:30<Hobbsee>nope. i have my one fremont one. a friend of mine may have got it, though.
09:30<HoopyCat>it's exceedingly rare that severe thunderstorms hit atlanta this time of year :-)
09:30<TJF>man mikegrb
09:30<@mikegrb>Hobbsee: if he is a DD from AU then yes
09:30<mwalling>No manual entry for mikgrb (he's too complicated)
09:30<Hobbsee>mikegrb: yup.
09:30<StevenK>As in, me?
09:31<Hobbsee>mikegrb: now just don't break his linode either, mmmkay?
09:31<Hobbsee>mine was enough.
09:31<StevenK>I didn't sign up with, though :-)
09:31<@mikegrb>welcome StevenK
09:31<@mikegrb>StevenK: I know everything
09:31<Hobbsee>so you know that it's always your fault?
09:31<StevenK>I have been a DD for a while, though :-)
09:31<TJF>StevenK: don't listen to mikegrb
09:31<@mikegrb>StevenK: don't worry, you will get used to it
09:31<@mikegrb>even my wife is starting to get used to it
09:32<Clorith>you learn to just ignroe anything he says ;P
09:32<mwalling>mikegrb: <3
09:32<StevenK>mikegrb: Thanks for jumping on the order so quickly
09:32<TJF>heidi sets mode -q mikegrb
09:32<@mikegrb>23 seconds baby
09:32<TJF>is that a new record?
09:33<Clorith>I don't want to know what you're doing :P
09:33<mwalling>i think the record is 8 or soemthing... cause caker cheats
09:34<TJF>setuping linodes
09:34<StevenK>Damn. That is *impressive*
09:34<mwalling>StevenK: he tails the logs
09:34<mwalling>aka cheating
09:35<TJF>i picture cakers office with 10 lcd tv's all with log tails running
09:35<HoopyCat>don't forget the klaxon
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09:36<@tasaro>TJF: 2 monitors, but many iterm tabs
09:36<HoopyCat>whoop, whooop, whooooop! whoop, whooop, whooooop! *pushes big red button labelled "SETUPING"*
09:37*straterra nags mwalling until a 720 is available
09:37<mwalling>tasaro: build faster... straterra is in too many channels
09:37*straterra cackles
09:37<straterra>on too many networks
09:38<straterra>mikegrb: ill have your babies for a 720
09:38<@tasaro>On FedEx vehicle for delivery . . .
09:39<HoopyCat>a late train caused this delay
09:39<straterra>someone thought they were niko and tried to jack it...again
09:41<Isvara>So how many guests are Linode running in total now?
09:41<path->anyone use anything to limit bandwidth to virtual hosts?
09:42<HoopyCat>path-: i think i used to use mod_bandwidth?
09:42<path->i saw a
09:42<path->i wonder if it's the same
09:42<HoopyCat>it ends up with a "Bandwidth x" directive, where x is bits per second
09:43<@tasaro>Isvara: that information will not be released
09:43<path->my problem is i don't want to limit bandwidth on the transfer of one file
09:43<path->i want to limit to the entire vhost
09:43<Isvara>tasaro: Just give me a ballpark figure to impress me.
09:43<path->it's serving lots of very small files to lots of clients
09:44<HoopyCat>path-: i think that's how it worked
09:44<HoopyCat>been a little while tho
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09:44<path->i'm reading the docs on the bwmod site now
09:45<mwalling>Isvara: a lot.
09:45*Isvara is suitably impressed
09:47<bob2>42 in base 10^-10
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09:53<jkwood>A DD? Uh-oh.
09:53<linbot>New news from wiki: Apache2 SSL in Ubuntu <>
09:53<jkwood>Is that like a DM?
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09:55<jkwood>DM'sscare me.
09:56<jkwood>mikegrb: Nag.
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10:06<jkwood>I don't know what I did to kill irssi, but I must never do so again.
10:07<@mikegrb>probably that slackware stuff
10:07<bob2> makes it crash occasionally for some reason
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10:08<jkwood>Don't have that.
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10:09<jkwood>I probably Ctrl+Z'ed or some such.
10:10<bob2>it'll recover from that
10:10<StevenK>Stupid question. How can I tell if my guest is UML or Xen?
10:10<bob2>not that I accidentally hit it a lot
10:10<mwalling>StevenK: do you have a xen logo in the upper right corner?
10:10<path->no more logo's
10:10<@caker>mwalling: xen logo is gone
10:10<path->if your kernel has dom something
10:11<mwalling>path-: thats gone too
10:11<path->or /proc/xen
10:11<@caker>path-: that's gone too in pv_ops
10:11<Bdragon>cat /proc/cpuinfo?
10:11<path->i give
10:11<@caker>StevenK: either cat /proc/cpuinfo , or click on a config profile -- if you have /dev/ubd* nodes it's UML, /dev/xvd* nodes it's Xen
10:11<@tasaro>We have a winner!
10:11<StevenK>Ah. UML.
10:12<Bdragon>I'd like to thank my parents, my friends, my schoolteachers...
10:12<jkwood>bob2: Well, it said process stopped. I assume that's not Ctrl+z but I'm sure it's something close.
10:12<mwalling>heh, teachers
10:12<mwalling>jkwood: yes, thats ctrl z
10:12<StevenK>How does one change that? :-)
10:12<@tasaro>Bdragon: you win the oppotunity to tell StevenK how to go about requesting a move to Xen
10:12<jkwood>Bdragon: One of those groups is imaginary.
10:12<mwalling>you can `fg` to pull it back
10:12<Bdragon>OK, fine, "friend"
10:12<@tasaro>StevenK: open a ticket, we'll get you in the queue :)
10:12<Hobbsee>StevenK: haven't you learnt about htop? :)
10:13<Hobbsee>htop makes it really obvious
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10:13<HoopyCat>htop is pretty
10:13<Hobbsee>very :)
10:14<Bdragon>if you're in bash, "jobs" is nice...
10:14<Bdragon>(not pretty though, just informative)
10:15<jkwood>jobs? Magical.
10:15<jkwood>Hrm... my missing irssi process is just going to remain missing, I guess.
10:15<mwalling>ps aux | grep irssi ?
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10:16<@mikegrb>ps aux | grep mwalling
10:16<mwalling>ps aux | grep mikegrb | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill
10:17<jkwood>Well, I have two... but I don't know which one to kill.
10:17<jkwood>Wait... I'm getting a vision...
10:17<jkwood>Something about start time...
10:18<jkwood>One was started April 01.
10:18<jkwood>I think that's a pretty good indicator.
10:18<StevenK>tasaro: Ticket submitted :-)
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10:18<praetorian>i once knew a person called stevenk
10:18<praetorian>but i doubt you are him
10:18<mwalling>PROCESS STATE CODES
10:18<mwalling>T Stopped, either by a job control signal or because it is being traced.
10:18<praetorian>just a interesting flashback
10:19<mwalling>jkwood: the ps manpage is smart
10:19<StevenK>I could be. I've been around free software for a while. :-)
10:19<praetorian>Nothing free software related. just some random who use to go around on austnet.
10:19<jkwood>15~Okay, so how do I bring it back to me?
10:20<jkwood>I'm more than slightly braindead rightnow.
10:20*jkwood consults the man page
10:20<StevenK>praetorian: Ah. So not me.
10:20<mwalling>there is no man page
10:20<mwalling>its a bash function
10:20<praetorian>i googled you alrady enough to see its not you
10:21<HoopyCat>praetorian: that's creepy
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10:21<praetorian>which part?
10:22<jkwood>Got there.
10:22<HoopyCat>praetorian: unsolicited finger in google :-)
10:22<path->i thought they taught job control in Linux 101
10:22<StevenK>Indeed. Creepy.
10:22<jkwood>fg is patently not working, nor is kill.
10:22<HoopyCat>an unsolicited finger in google, while crude, is not obscene
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10:23<praetorian>the information is out there, if you dont want to be known, you have to be a lot less public
10:24<StevenK>That's quite hard, given the details you need to publish for say, a domain name
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10:25<praetorian>Sure. But you don't need to put your real name in a /whois
10:25<bob2>depends on the registrar
10:25<StevenK>And auDA wants those details to be 100% correct.
10:25<jkwood>path-: They do. I've been awake for 24 hours solid now, and things are not getting better.
10:26<StevenK>praetorian: Complicated. My real name has been in /whois for years
10:26<jkwood>I don't usually have to mess with renegade processes, either.
10:27<praetorian>just saying
10:27<praetorian>anyway, i only googled, saw your associations, and knew you werne't my guy :p
10:27<praetorian>I don't have photos of your kids .... yet ? ;)
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10:27<StevenK>If you do, send them on, since I don't have any.
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10:29<HoopyCat>woohoo, the Hot Clothing Now light is on
10:29*StevenK continues shifting his Linode to LVM
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10:30<StevenK>Or should I not do that due to my ticket?
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10:39*jkwood tickets StevenK's shift
10:39*StevenK blinks
10:40<jkwood>It's a meme. The Linode reversal.
10:40<jkwood>I get extra points for hitting multiple lines at once.
10:41<HoopyCat>with soviet linode, you can virtualize xen!
10:41<jkwood>HoopyCat: Not so much.
10:42<path->stevenk, if you run lvm inside your linode you can't use the linode manager tools for shrinking or expanding your volumes
10:42<path->shrinking a volume as much as possible before a migration to a xen host will speed up the file transfer
10:42<path->so there are some pros/cons
10:43*jkwood speedups path-'s file transfer
10:43<StevenK>My LVM volume is so far 500Mb
10:45<chesty>jkwood: killall -CONT irssi
10:46*jkwood manpages
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10:47<chesty>starts a stopped job
10:48<mbauer>Hey, I am trying to sign up for the 360 package, but I am getting an error "We're sorry, no plan was found that could mat\ch your request. Please narrow your selection and try again."
10:48<linbot>tjfontaine: Linode360 - 0, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0, Linode2880 - 0
10:48<jkwood>I... got nothing.
10:48<tjfontaine>mbauer: you'll have to wait until there are more in stock
10:49<tjfontaine>sometime this week iirc
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10:49*jkwood stockmores tjfontaine
10:49<mbauer>Can I go ahead and get in queue and pay up?
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10:50*jkwood pokes caker
10:56<path->09:07 <@caker> should be later this week for Fremont
10:58<cruxeternus>omg, there's been a run on Linodes!
10:58<cruxeternus>I'll sell you mine for a low, low markup.
10:59<StevenK>I saw a Fremont 360, and I jumped on it.
10:59<StevenK>With mikegrb's help. :-)
10:59<TJF>the early nerd gets the node
11:00*jkwood nodes TJF's nerd
11:00<cruxeternus>Says the guy whose Level 20 IdleRPG character just lost in combat to Rhaine.
11:00<tjfontaine>oh snap
11:00<sveiss>Fremont is HE, right?
11:01<sveiss>ooh... low-latency v6 tunnels
11:01<tjfontaine>one day you may even be able to get native there
11:01<sveiss>alas, also another continent's worth of latency away from me :(
11:02<cruxeternus>What's another continent of latency, anyway? You running a Quake server???
11:02<cruxeternus>I hear Internet2 doubles the speed of light.
11:02<sveiss>mmmm, quake
11:05<avongauss>Both Fremont and Dallas have low latency HE IPv6 tunnels.
11:05<sveiss>anyway, one of the things I use my machine for is a VPN endpoint for public wifi, and crossing the atlantic is noticeable ... I'd rather not wait for my packets to get to CA, too (I'm in Atlanta now)
11:06<sveiss>v6 is a toy right now, being able to IRC from train stations is a necessity :)
11:06<cruxeternus>Err... you're mooching off someone's wifi in Atlanta to surf from Europe? :P
11:06*cruxeternus scratches his head.
11:07<sveiss>with a big enough Pringles can, anything is possible :)
11:07<cruxeternus>I take it this is being done for privacy reasons?
11:08<sveiss>only partially... mostly, it's random port blocks
11:08*cruxeternus asks no more.
11:08*cruxeternus alerts the NSA.
11:08<sveiss>I also work for a US-based website firm (I'm in the UK), and sometimes it's useful to be able to see things like geotargetted ads from a US IP
11:08<tjfontaine>[05-21] 11:08 -!- nsa []
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11:08<cruxeternus>Hangs out in #tor... he knows where the deviants are.
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11:09<cruxeternus>oh wow, spam bots
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11:09<cruxeternus>caker: mikegrb: tasaro: ping
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11:09-!-mode/#linode [+i] by tjfontaine
11:09<HoopyCat>moar autokill
11:09<bob2>that looks bad
11:09<tjfontaine>don't bother the ops, it's ircop time
11:09<cruxeternus>Looks like they're from Turkey.
11:10<@mikegrb>thanks tjfontaine
11:10<cruxeternus>Strange though.. most of them were identified to services.
11:10<tjfontaine>mikegrb: no problem
11:10<tjfontaine>cruxeternus: they register with services automagically
11:10<HoopyCat>wait, already pasted that one
11:10<tjfontaine>[05-21] 11:10 ! dexed!~Yuzuk-4@ registered nick dexed
11:11<tjfontaine>[05-21] 11:10 ! {GanneffServ} dexed registered the nick after being online for only 0 seconds
11:11<tjfontaine>[05-21] 11:10 ! {GanneffServ} dexed (online for 0 seconds) CTCP'd VERSION: mIRC v6.03 Khaled Mardam-Bey
11:11<sveiss>mmm, tasty akill
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11:12<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: That's me trying to solve code problems.
11:12<StevenK>caker: I am right in assuming that my Xen moving ticket waits until the end of the week for the new boxes in Fremont?
11:12<cruxeternus>lol at the Dune reference
11:14<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: Thanks for my new forum avatar.
11:14-!-mode/#linode [-i] by tjfontaine
11:14<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: *calls 911 to report icon theft*
11:15<path->HoopyCat: i think you need to mail abuse@ for that
11:15<StevenK>My Linode panics on boot
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11:15<path->lvm needs initrd i think
11:15<TJF>don't panic
11:15<path->if you root is lvm
11:16<jkwood>TJF: I can't find my towel.
11:16<StevenK>Yeah, I'm planning for it
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11:25<Bdragon>heh... # Nick changed, track it. You can run, but you can't hide!
11:26<Bdragon>woah, GanneffServ can enforce an entire channel... cool...
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11:39*StevenK feels like a bozo. LVM is easy when the install is on bare-metal. Linode is different enough to make me feel like a bozo.
11:40*Toba_ hasn't ever used LVM but should
11:40<StevenK>I wuv LVM
11:41<StevenK>I'm curious if the initrd will support initramfs
11:41<StevenK>(Which is a different format)
11:41<tjfontaine>why do you want to add extra overhead to your node?
11:41<StevenK>Because LVM is comfortable
11:41<path->well, if it makes you feel better.. the linode manager is like a front end to lvm
11:42<tjfontaine>not like, is.
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11:42<tjfontaine>similie vs reality
11:42<path->you just don't see it at the level you are used to
11:42<StevenK>Right. I prefer seeing it on the command line with 'vgs' :-)
11:43<jkwood>I suppose you want it cheap and fast, too?
11:43<path->there is a /proc/config.gz file which shows what the kernel options
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11:46<StevenK>But I see the point, I can resize images and such like using the Linode manager...
11:46<path->there are pros and cons to both ways
11:47<path->like if you wanted to use murdererfs
11:48<Isvara>Is that effectively dead now, then?
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11:54<Isvara>But who owns it if Namesys is being sold and no longer operating?
11:55<path->it's registered to hans reiser, but the dns servers are russian??
11:55<Isvara>"It is based in Oakland, California and also operates in Russia."
11:55<Isvara>Sounds dodgy to me.
11:55<path->well it doesn't resolve anymore
11:55<jkwood>We could host it on a linode.
11:56<StevenK>It's in Russia since I thought there were some Reiser programmers in Russia
11:57<path->looks like all their stuff is on now
11:57<Isvara>Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/fs/resier4.o will taint the kernel with MURDER.
11:57*Isvara looks oddly at modprobe
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11:58<Zotnix>Isvara: It does does not say that :p
11:58*Isvara looks ashamed
11:59<StevenK>It could be made to.
11:59<StevenK>That would be all kinds of awesome.
11:59<HoopyCat>moar taint
12:00*jkwood taints hoopyCat
12:01<jkwood>With a lowercase h! How do you feel now, hero?
12:01<cruxeternus>All I can say is.. I don't want ReiserFS killing any of my files :/
12:01<HoopyCat>it may be a filesystem, but it's not a murderer
12:02<cruxeternus>Filesystems don't kill people, people do?
12:02<cruxeternus>er.. s/people/files/
12:02<Isvara>That should totally be their new slogan. It'll help encourage people to keep using it.
12:02<jkwood>Oh yes, I went there.
12:02<jkwood>Try saying peopleystem NOW!
12:03<Isvara>peopley stem?
12:03<Isvara>peopley stem?
12:03<cruxeternus>We're losing touch with English.
12:03<jkwood>Hrm... my sed must be borken. It doesn't work like that.
12:04<jkwood>Oh, I must have put it in backwards.
12:04*jkwood realigns his sed module
12:04<HoopyCat>jkwood: s/old and busted/new hotness/optional-g
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12:06<mbauer>In the Distribution Wizard, when it asks "Select Disk Image Size", is this the size of the virtual disk, or is this what the / partition will be?
12:06<HoopyCat>.... yes?
12:06<straterra>Oooh, a 540!
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12:08<mbauer>So, if one was to hypethetically want to do multiple separate partitions, say /var/www and /var/log, one would have to make this value smaller and then add the other partitions after the fact?
12:09<linbot>mwalling: Linode360 - 9, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 2, Linode1080 - 2, Linode1440 - 2, Linode2880 - 2
12:09<mwalling>i guess the hosts arrived
12:11<HoopyCat>according to administration sources, all are atlanta xen, with exception of 4 360's in dallas
12:12<HoopyCat>the smart money is on atlanta being the hot datacenter, you know. fremont is due ;-)
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12:14<path->4 360's are in dallas
12:15<path->that are xen
12:15*straterra looks hopefully at Dallas
12:16<cruxeternus>Is there a Custom Distribution page on the wiki for Xen hosts?
12:17<HoopyCat>(favorite power issue ever: "yeah, i don't know what happened, all my shit is down, can you fix it? we're dead in the water here." "sir, uhh, it appears someone broke the lock on the cabinet above yours and plugged your $5 plugstrip into the wrong rack...")
12:17<mwalling>cruxeternus: make one?
12:18<cruxeternus>mwalling: hah, I need the info that would be contained in one :D
12:18<mwalling>were the beta-linodes xen or uml?
12:19<mwalling>(i think they were xen)
12:19<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: start with finnix (which now works under xen) or another small distro, make some filesystems, and document as you go along ;-)
12:19<mwalling>((in that case, i rolled slamd64 with no problems, just used xvd? instead of uvd?))
12:19<cruxeternus>specifically, I'm looking for the right mknod special numbers for the xvd* devices.
12:20<cruxeternus>hrmm, I did
12:20<cruxeternus>It didn't create them :/
12:20<mwalling>path-: bad.
12:20<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: Follow The Pattern For Success
12:21<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: Many thanks!
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12:21<straterra> do new linodes come about?
12:21<straterra>Do you guys like..rack a new server, turn it on?
12:21<Isvara>Sprinkle the dust.
12:22<scorche|sh>you see...when a father linode and a mother linode fall in love...
12:22<HoopyCat>straterra: well, first a daddy linode and a mommy linode-- uhh, wait
12:22*scorche|sh wins
12:22<straterra>scorche|sh: go on..
12:22<straterra>mwalling: I just came in my pants
12:22<Isvara>So the datacentre is somebody's garage?
12:23<mwalling>Isvara: AFAIK, that was before tehy got the office in abascon
12:23<Isvara>Oh, good, cos I see a small bike there. Small bike = small child = small fingers.
12:23<straterra>= small dinner
12:23<HoopyCat>straterra: i figure they come about from attrition (when in small quantities) and from host determinism (when in large quantities). i figure each host is untainted by determinism until it is required, at which point it becomes a node of 360's, or 540's, or whatever
12:24<straterra>HoopyCat: I seems like the nodes go like hotcakes..
12:24<HoopyCat>straterra: ehh, i've seen hotcakes go pretty fast before.
12:25<straterra>I know
12:25<straterra>That's the point
12:25<straterra>They nodes don't last long
12:25<Isvara>iMac and sandals? I think we're getting a good idea of what kind of hippies these guys are.
12:25<HoopyCat>Isvara: the small child exists soley to open the blister packs the heatsinks come in.
12:25<mwalling>straterra: better hope youve got more
12:25<straterra>mwalling: thats two pairs of pants you bastard
12:26<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: Yay, now it boots. Thanks again!
12:26<mwalling>cruxeternus: now wiki it
12:26<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: yay
12:26<jkwood>straterra: I didn't know you OWNED two pairs of pants.
12:26<HoopyCat>where'd my pants go?
12:26<straterra>jkwood: You learn something every day
12:26*fred goes to buy some new pants
12:27<cruxeternus>mwalling: I thought that was your job. :)
12:27<HoopyCat>ah, here's a pair right here, they're... oh dear lord no
12:27<mwalling>cruxeternus: no, i'm just doing wiki clean up
12:27<straterra>HoopyCat: its just old mayonaise..i swear
12:27<fred>Magical unicorn mayonaise
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12:28<jkwood>From Candy mountain?
12:28-!-Nat_RH [] has joined #linode
12:28<fred>jkwood: No, not charlie.
12:28<fred>Watch more robot chicken.
12:29<cruxeternus>Argh, I would have to create Yet. Another. Stupid. Login. to edit the wiki :(
12:29*jkwood adds Robot Chicken to the growing lists of things he must catch up on this summer
12:29<HoopyCat>crap, it's after noon, i gotta bake bread
12:29*mwalling needs to go find food...
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12:43<tricknik>I have a question about payments, the faw doesn't mention paypal, it is possible to pay by paypal or moneybookers?
12:45<cruxeternus>tricknik: The payment page in My Account only lists Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover
12:46<jkwood>That should SO be an alias.
12:46<cruxeternus>The FAQ also does mention this.
12:46<cruxeternus>What forms of payment do you accept?
12:46<cruxeternus>We accept Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. We have month-to-month and annual contracts available.
12:47<tricknik>crux, yes I saw those but wanted to confirm, because this means that I can not try linode, and that is disapointing.
12:47<tricknik>thanks for the info.
12:47<cruxeternus>Sorry, man.
12:47<cruxeternus>Linodes are worth getting a credit card for, though! :)
12:47<straterra>Get a paypal card
12:47<straterra>Its a visa card
12:48<tricknik>cc companies don't give cards to startups, and we are against using personal cc for recurring business expenses...
12:48<tricknik>(at least not in germany ;)
12:48<Isvara>Won't your company's bank give you a debit card?
12:48<tricknik>I don't think those exist in Germany
12:48<tricknik>will look into it,.
12:49<Isvara>Really? I assumed that was somewhat a global thing.
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12:49<tricknik>maybe it is
12:49<tricknik>but they are not commin in germany where wire transfers are free ;)
12:49<tricknik>everybody uses wire transfers
12:49<path->someone thought that maybe a maestro card worked for mastercard.. but i never saw anything definit on that
12:50<Isvara>I dunno. I pay by Visa debit card (UK)
12:50<tricknik>yeah, I will look into this option, but I need a new vps in the next day or two, so no time for debit cards, so it's paypal or bust for now...
12:50<tricknik>can revisit later
12:51<tricknik>linode and slicehost are my first choices, but neither accept paypal, so I guess it's lylix for now :(
12:51<Isvara>I'll pay it for you and charge you by paypal. The markup might be extortionate, though.
12:51<tricknik>that would be just like one of personal cc ;)
12:52<tricknik>the point is we need the company to pay directly.
12:52<mwalling>tricknik: you can change your cc info at any time
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12:52<cruxeternus>tricknik: lylix is like twice as expensive
12:52<mwalling>so buy a month with personal card, then when you get a biz card, switch to that
12:52<tricknik>cruxeterms, lyliz is not really more expensive for there standard vps
12:53<cruxeternus>tricknik: Which plan are you considering?
12:53<tricknik>crucialparadigm is more exensive, but also looks good
12:54<tricknik>just the min at first
12:54<tricknik>anybody have experience with linode vs slicehost btw?
12:55<Isvara>A bit
12:55<straterra>linode pwn
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12:55<Isvara>That reminds me -- I need to cancel my slicehost account.
12:55<cruxeternus>Lylix: 8GB disk, 384MB ram, 200GB transfer = $35/mo.
12:55<cruxeternus>Linode: 10GB disk, 360MB ram, 200GB transfer = $20/mo.
12:55<tricknik>cruxeterms, yeah but I'm not gonna use much resources for the next few months...
12:55<cruxeternus>Ah, alright.
12:56<path->i once compared unixbench results with a slicehost person and linode did better
12:56<path->i forget the numbers now
12:56<TJF>linode staff = win
12:56<tricknik>I have to run, but I should come back in here later on I would love to get ping times to my other servers from the three different datacenters
12:57<mwalling>tricknik: ^^
12:57<mwalling>path- < mwalling
12:57<tricknik>linbot, thanks
12:57<linbot>I'm a bot.
12:57<cruxeternus>"Performance is nearly that of a regular dedicated host (1-2% overhead)"
12:57<cruxeternus>Hrmm... 1-2% overhead? I want some of *That* virtualization.
12:58<jkwood>linbot: No you're not.
12:58<jkwood>linbot: Don't believe the lies.
12:58<jkwood>mikegrb is the bot here.
12:58*linbot slaps jkwood
12:58<HoopyCat>tricknik: you can try giving the office a shout and see if something can be worked out
12:58<jkwood>Would a bot have ops? Of course.
12:58<jkwood>Does you have ops? NO.
12:58<jkwood>Does mikegrb? YES.
12:58<jkwood>Case closed.
12:59<tricknik>linbot, that will work from servers I have ssh on, but not, for example, on the ip of my sip terminator (rather important), so it would cool to be able to ping/tracepath out from all three
12:59<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:59<jkwood>Also, cake.
12:59<cruxeternus>So mikegrb is a bot?
12:59<HoopyCat>tricknik: or +1-609-593-7103 --
12:59<cruxeternus>Ah, yes.
12:59<straterra>mikegrb: I'll still have your children if you procure me a 720 in Dallas :P
12:59<mwalling>tricknik: linbot is a bot.
12:59<HoopyCat>tricknik: i can fire traceroutes from dallas and atlanta :-)
12:59*tricknik wishes he where a bot
13:00<straterra>tricknik: Be a Cylon
13:00*jkwood runs amok causing confusion
13:00<mwalling>tricknik: but i would be willing... yeah what HoopyCat said, but from dallas
13:00<tricknik>gotta run...
13:00<mwalling>tricknik: and i'm sure you could get a custoemr to do the same
13:00<tricknik>I will be back.
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13:04<cruxeternus>So, do you think we made a sale?
13:04<jkwood>Not I.
13:05*mwalling points to CaptObviousman, jkwood, and straterra.... i've got 3
13:05<linbot>cruxeternus: Linode360 - 6, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 2, Linode1080 - 2, Linode1440 - 2, Linode2880 - 2
13:05<jkwood>Wait, is this the part of the story where we don't want to help, or the part where we want to reap the rewards of someone else's labor?
13:05<cruxeternus>Oh, look. Available Linodes.
13:05*cruxeternus hoards.
13:05*jkwood availables cruxeternus
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13:05<HoopyCat>let's get 'er down to 0 by EOB, boys! *dons sandwich board and puts burma shave signs in the ground*
13:06<straterra>cruxeternus: The good ones are Atlanta :/
13:06<kvandivo>you should go to House On The Rock in central wisconsin.. largest collection of burma shave signs i could possibly imagine there being
13:07<cruxeternus>straterra: How so?
13:07<straterra>cruxeternus: everything above 360 is in Atlanta
13:07<cruxeternus>Oh, I see what you mean.
13:07<cruxeternus>Are you allergic to Georgia?
13:08<jkwood>He's allergic to lightning strikes.
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13:08<straterra>I'm allergic to port filtering :P
13:08<cruxeternus>Oh yeah. Me too.
13:09<jkwood>Besides, between me (MO) straterra (IN) and Atlanta, we've well represented the "backwards American" states.
13:09<cruxeternus>That said... if you need the higher-level ones.. you probably aren't running IRC proxies.
13:09<straterra>cruxeternus: I plan on running an IRC server on a 720
13:10<cruxeternus>Oh :?
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13:11<mwalling>hey, i'm a new yorker
13:12<cruxeternus>My condolences.
13:12*mwalling points at HoopyCat
13:14<HoopyCat>what? what? sorry, just over here trying to pay for liability insurance so i can pay property taxes, what's up?
13:14<cruxeternus>All so you can pay your mortgage.
13:14<mwalling>HoopyCat: cruxeternus expresses his condolences
13:15<HoopyCat>oh, yes, please make them payable to Hoo Pycat
13:17<HoopyCat> <--- geek power
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13:19<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: Wow, I think the Internet has jumped the shark.
13:20<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: i believe, in about 10 minutes, the internet will close after jumping the shark.
13:20<jkwood>Why are we jumping the shark? It's too early.
13:21-!-row [] has quit []
13:21<cruxeternus>Go look at that page, and tell me.
13:21<jkwood>The Internet has a lot more left to offer before needing to jump the shark.
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13:21*straterra nags mwalling
13:21<mwalling>oh ffs
13:21<straterra>Tee he
13:23<jkwood>cruxeternus: They could have an RSS feed. THAT would be jumping the shark.
13:26<cruxeternus>You were saying?
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13:31<mwalling>please tell me there is a twitter api?
13:31*straterra licks tasaro
13:35<cruxeternus>mwalling: Yes, there is.
13:37<cruxeternus>TransAMrit [6/488] has challenged Ge0rG [0/545] in combat and won!
13:37<cruxeternus>Dude rolled a 0.
13:38<TJF>you lost to a 6
13:38<cruxeternus>Well, not me. My character is owning all of you. :P
13:39<cruxeternus>Except for the accidental paste to the channel. :(
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13:40<purrdeta>TJF "!dice: help" - gives you the english help
13:40<purrdeta>TJF "!dice: hilfe" - zeigt die Deutsche Hilfe an
13:40<linbot>TJF: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
13:40<purrdeta>that is weird
13:40<purrdeta>there we go
13:40<purrdeta>sorry about that :)
13:41<TJF>np :)
13:41<cruxeternus>!dice 111d111
13:41<cruxeternus>Apparently linbot only has 6 virtual dice.
13:42<TJF>!dice 2d6
13:42<linbot>TJF: 2 and 4
13:42<TJF>well that's below average :(
13:42<cruxeternus>Is it?
13:43<cruxeternus>Oh yeah, I see.
13:43*TJF bonks cruxeternus
13:43<HoopyCat>!dice 6d6
13:43<linbot>HoopyCat: 5, 5, 4, 3, 1, and 5
13:44<HoopyCat>!dice 5d6
13:44<linbot>HoopyCat: 3, 6, 1, 4, and 4
13:44<HoopyCat>"lathe". weak.
13:44*cruxeternus dodges HoopyCat's blow.
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13:50<bd1308> IRC completly blocked on both sides (in/out) in the atlanta datacentre?
13:50<mwalling>6667 is
13:50<jkwood>And by mostly, I mean... jes.
13:51<mwalling>bd1308: most networks have alternate ports
13:51<jkwood>In terms of 6667.
13:51<mwalling>(which doesnt help if you're trying to host an ircd
13:51<bd1308>ive been wanting to get onto
13:51<bd1308>or whatever the server name is
13:51<mwalling>they have alternate ports
13:51<bd1308>6666-6669 dont work
13:51<bd1308>i heard there is a range
13:52<jkwood>!google freenode alternate ports
13:52<linbot>jkwood: Search took 0.24 seconds: Alternate Freenode port : 8000 « Ben Ostrowsky, Systems Librarian: <>; Alternate IRC port ?? - Ubuntu Forums: <>; HTML5 IRC logs: freenode / #whatwg / 20070811: <>; - Search result page. Keywords: ports: (3 more messages)
13:52<linbot>straterra: Linode360 - 4, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 2, Linode1080 - 2, Linode1440 - 2, Linode2880 - 2
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13:54<straterra>I guess
13:54<bd1308>is atlanta the only one that does blocking of IRC port 6667
13:54<jkwood>Some would disagree.
13:54<jkwood>Dallas and Fremont are both fine.
13:55<bd1308>yeah i had a freemont linode before (back when linode 64 was just out )
13:55<jkwood>I'm on my Dallas node, as a matter of fact.
13:55<straterra>I'm waiting on a 720 in Dallas
13:55<bd1308>and that was fine--i seem to have a bit of a latency issue in Atlanta
13:55*jkwood puts straterra in the queueueuueueue
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13:56<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
13:56<scott>who let these slackware people in here anyway?
13:57<scott>mikegrb: apparently
13:57<mwalling>mikegrb: no, we switched to Liinux
13:57<jkwood>My /meme alias doesn't work anymore :(
13:57<mwalling>jkwood: /save
13:58<jkwood>mwalling: Ahah!
13:58<bd1308>sigh...that filtered port list is *huge*
13:58<bd1308>wish i would have made the move to freemont in the first place.
13:58<bd1308>or dallas
13:59<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 3, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
13:59*fred hugs slackware
13:59*straterra hugs fred
13:59<scott>i hear port 80 and 22 will be blocked soon too
13:59<bd1308>one in dallas ;)
13:59*jkwood hugs fred too
13:59<webPragmatist>does anyone know how to export a bayesian spam/ham database?
13:59<bd1308>seriously!? thats horrible
13:59<straterra>scott: you're kidding
13:59<mwalling>bd1308: TICKET!!!!! GOGOGO
14:00<mwalling>scott is serious. scott('s balls) know all
14:00<webPragmatist>I tried using like sa-learn --dump and that doesn't export anything useful
14:00<jkwood>My school has blocked all BUT 80 and 22.
14:00<scott>straterra: says it all
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14:01<jkwood>Chuckbot wins again.
14:01<bd1308>ticket in :)
14:01<fred>jkwood: what about 443?
14:01<mwalling>jkwood: i'm surprised they allow 22
14:01*fred runs openvpn on tcp/443 at home for good reason :)
14:01<iggy>mwalling: you mean scott's ball
14:01<jkwood>mwalling: We couldn't do our homework. It took a lot of pressure from the CS department to get it open again.
14:01<jkwood>fred: I don't know for sure. I guess so.
14:02<mwalling>iggy: oh, my bad
14:02<jkwood>You know what caused it? Blaster.
14:02<scott>iggy: no, i had 2
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14:02<iggy>now you only have a crystal ball
14:02<scott>but i'll always have you, iggy
14:03<jkwood>ONE useless port is used for an attack, and we have to plug everything. NTP. WTW?
14:03<bd1308>yeah its rediculous
14:03<jkwood>I don't know what that second W is supposed to be
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14:06<bd1308>mwalling: I just hope nobody beats me on the move to dallas
14:06<bd1308>its like a race now.....
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14:07<jkwood>"It's a race! I hope I win."
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14:32<linbot>straterra: Linode360 - 2, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0, Linode2880 - 0
14:32<straterra>Heh..they're all gone
14:32<iggy>come on he 540's
14:32<nyterage>yea they go fast
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14:33<straterra>Come oooon 720
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14:37<Deetz>other then mornign and evening what else could someone say?
14:38<iggy>"good day sir!"
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14:40<Deetz>I love Australians that live abroad and say G'day
14:40<Deetz>cause from what I hear no Australian ever says that
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14:41<anderiv>heh - I've never seen that kill msg before.
14:42<cruxeternus>There were about 12 of them earlier in here.
14:42<anderiv>oh - must have been away from the desk.
14:42<cruxeternus>Half of Turkey's bot population was auto-killed.
14:42<Deetz>Turkey has a pretty big bot population?
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14:45<TJF>speaking of turkey bots
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14:50<jetlag>turkey butts
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14:53*jkwood butts jetlag's turkey
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14:59<silverblade>I fixed my intertubes
15:01<linbot>New news from forums: early on stumbling blocks on fresh Ubuntu 8.04 LTS install in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
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15:04<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 5, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 5, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
15:05<straterra>jkwood: ZOMG
15:06<straterra>jkwood: Just..don't get the 720..or I will seriously literally murder you
15:06<cruxeternus>Too slow! :)
15:06<straterra>And around with your head on a stick
15:06<straterra>I'm serial
15:08<silverblade>what is your serial
15:08*silverblade jabs straterra with a pack of cornflakes
15:08<jkwood>Spinlock, a comic that might one day have a lot.
15:08*straterra lights silverblade on fire and has sex with the smoldering corpse
15:08<silverblade>dot dot dot.
15:09<silverblade>How can you set fire to metal?
15:09<jkwood>silverblade: You have to hold your mouth just right.
15:09<silverblade>i dont... want to know :s
15:09<fred>Step 1: Take sodium
15:09<fred>Step 2: Throw into swimming pool
15:10<fred>step 2 could also be "breath on it"
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15:11<TJF>how is dumping salt on a swimming pool going to set metal on fire?
15:11<fred>TJF: note I said 'sodium', not 'sodium chloride'
15:12<straterra>My Gentoo laptop is massively out of date : -x
15:12<straterra>I get to remove coreutils and mktemp
15:12<jkwood>!google sodium
15:12<linbot>jkwood: Search took 0.37 seconds: Sodium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Sodium chloride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Sodium: <>; WebElements Periodic Table of the Elements | Sodium | Essential ...: <>; Nutrition Fact (2 more messages)
15:12<jkwood>First link.
15:12<jkwood>TJF: Read and be enlightened.
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15:12<silverblade>straterra: be prepared for a long wait for upgrading? :p
15:12<straterra>silverblade: lies..billion cores!
15:13<silverblade>and how many hard?
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15:16<HoopyCat>is someone looking for help on igniting metal?
15:17<TJF>jkwood: your link contains no references to swimming pools :P
15:17<silverblade>Hmm presumably i should set up my audio broadcasting daemon on a separate server to my web one...
15:18<HoopyCat>now kids, if you try this at home, remember to have a class D fire extinguisher handy
15:18<HoopyCat>and, for heavens sake, be sure to do it out of doors!
15:19<fred>Magnesium is fairly easy to light as well
15:19<straterra>I can't do it in my work's datacenter?
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15:20<HoopyCat>1) get some of these:
15:20<irgeek>TJF: <-- explosions!
15:20<HoopyCat>2) touch to a bunch of powder you scraped off of your good magnesium rims
15:21<HoopyCat>3) don't look directly at it
15:21<straterra>4) Put annoying kid nextdoor in the middle
15:21<bd1308>uh---i thought there was a available Dallas 360 linode
15:21<straterra>There way
15:22<straterra>It prolly went away
15:22<HoopyCat>there're three, looks like
15:22<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 3, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 4, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
15:22<bd1308>hmm..I got a 'our people will call you people' message in my ticket.
15:23<path->you got people?
15:23<cruxeternus>You better get some people.
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15:23<bd1308>well i meant your people
15:23<path->i don't have any people
15:23<bd1308>well i guess its just me
15:23<bd1308>it sounds better if you use people instead of you
15:24<bd1308>'we'll have our people call you' or 'we'll have our people call your people'
15:24<HoopyCat>people really don't think that, do people?
15:24<jkwood>! people still use people?!?!
15:24<bd1308>i just lost 12^5 brain cells I believe
15:24<HoopyCat>people all have a good afternoon; picking up my wife. i'll see people in a little bit ;-)
15:24<path->later people
15:24<jkwood>people too, HoopyCat.
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15:30<TJF>soylent green is people
15:30<daleglass>LOL! I made a page that can't be loaded on a 32 bit computer. Finally something I can point to and say "See? I really NEEDED a 64 bit box"
15:30*TJF shrugs
15:31<tjfontaine>TJF: wonder how many people get freaked about when people talk to themselves with different nicks
15:31<fred>daleglass: Why on earth would you do that...
15:31<daleglass>Dogyxen docs of Second Life source, with full call and caller graphs. This page takes about 5GB of RAM to load:
15:31<irgeek>Wow. There's a bank in Egypt who says the minimum hardware requirements for their Internet banking site is a 486/33MHz or a Macintosh Plus.
15:32<daleglass>fred: because the graphs are really helpful for understanding what's going on :-)
15:32<daleglass>it's not nearly that large, mind. But X grows to 5GB in RSS if you try to load it
15:32<bd1308>I still have a 486 board somewhere
15:33<@caker>I have a 486 keychain
15:33<Solver>hi all
15:33<silverblade>i have a few 486 CPUS
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15:33<@caker>dx2 baby
15:33<jkwood>Might I point out that I don't HAVE 5 gigs in my laptop, nor am I likely to anytime within the next, say, 2 years?
15:33<Solver>my linide host is using dhcp
15:33<bd1308>6x86 @133Mhz FTW
15:33<silverblade>jkwood: nothing a large swap cant fix
15:33<daleglass>well I have 8GB on my desktop =^_^=
15:33<Solver>i'd like to change it to static. any reason I should not do this?
15:33<irgeek>Solver: No particular reason.
15:33<scott>Solver: dont fsck up
15:33<@caker>Solver: only if we update the resolvers you wouldn't get them automatically
15:34<Solver>scott: ;)
15:34<silverblade>Id go with DHCP for ease of maintenance
15:34<Solver>caker: yeah fair point
15:34<silverblade>technically you can have static DHCP leases ;)
15:34<Solver>silverblade: true
15:34<silverblade>which is how i set my machines up at hoe
15:34<TJF>you said hoe
15:34<silverblade>It was not intentional.
15:34<Solver>i want to have the search line in resolv.conf custom
15:34<irgeek>huh, huh
15:34<irgeek>You can configure the DHCP client to do that.
15:35*scott ponders machine hoes
15:35<TJF>all my hoes use dhcp
15:35<Solver>silverblade: for servers I go static
15:35<silverblade>so you can dynamically allocate them?
15:35<fred>wow, X11 is a learky whore
15:35<Solver>leaky in what way?
15:35<xlv>Are all hosts going to be updated to use XEN soon? I'm on host63.fremont
15:35<scott>leaky whores++
15:35<silverblade>Solver: i used to but i find it more handy - at least on my home machines - to be able to get a dhcp lease from the router, and then have a static dns entry for them
15:35<Solver>ouch :)
15:36<irgeek>xlv: Eventually is more likely than soon I think
15:36<@caker>silverblade: there's no timeline yet, but expect a few months minimum
15:36<fred>Solver: well, after killing every x client app after looking at daleglass's page, X was still eating around 5GB of ram
15:36<Solver>silverblade: was directed at scott :)
15:36<@caker>xlv: there's no timeline yet, but expect a few months minimum
15:36<fred>according to top :p
15:36<silverblade>How the...
15:36<Solver>fred: oh memleak
15:36<Solver>fred: in that case, yes X can be leaky :)
15:36<fred> fwiw
15:37<fred>ctrl-alt-backspace: 237 used excluding cache
15:37<silverblade>"my X is my X because she was too leaky"
15:37<irgeek>Solver: What distro & dhcp client?
15:37<bd1308>silverblade: lol
15:37<xlv>is it possible to move to a Xen host or do I just have to wait?
15:37<Solver>irgeek: Deb 4.0. client would be dhclient I guess
15:37<Solver>I could remove the resolvconf package
15:37<@caker>xlv: we can migrate your Linode - submit a ticket
15:37*fred tries opening daleglass's page on his laptop
15:37<Solver>not installed
15:37<xlv>OK, thanks
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15:39*Solver could make resolv.conf immutable (j/k)
15:39*straterra licks caker
15:39<bd1308>when a box is migrated, is the data xferred too?
15:39<straterra>bd1308: yes
15:39<Solver>I did that to fix a client source dhcp cable client once
15:39<cruxeternus>uh oh
15:39<cruxeternus>Trouble at four o'clock
15:39<Solver>s/client source/closed source/
15:40<fred>daleglass: I disagree with your "needs 64-bit" statement
15:40<fred>loading it on my laptop eats around 3GB of RAM
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15:41<skn>hi all. first day on vps/linode land
15:41<daleglass>fred: hmm, aren't 32 bit boxes limited to 2GB address space per process normally?
15:41<fred>presumably X/web browser is just being lazy with unloading stuff if it thinks it's got ram spare (in case it needs it again in the near future)
15:41<nyterage>hey skn
15:41<fred>daleglass: a 3gb/1gb split is configurable
15:42<daleglass>fred: right, and you're running with it?
15:42*fred is also pretty sure that if you only had 2GB ram, x/web browser would be more conservative about ram, and it would work
15:42<skn>how do I make sure my node is running in Xen?
15:42<fred>daleglass: actually, I'm running on x86_64
15:42<jkwood>With your secret Xen decoder ring.
15:42<fred>but my total memory usage is < 3GB
15:42<silverblade>skn: is it on?
15:42<silverblade>er i mean booted
15:42<Solver>skn: check the # of cpus
15:43<daleglass>fred: hmm, well this is with konqueror. Maybe it just happens to be more wasteful than whatever you're using
15:43<silverblade>id look at /dev/ubda (i think thats right)
15:43<fred>That would be konqueror :p
15:43<silverblade>if those exist == UML
15:43<fred>daleglass: Konqueror uses > 5GB on my desktop
15:43<Solver>cat /proc/cpuinfo will also clearly show UML
15:43<fred>same version of konqueror, same version of *every* package, uses < 3GB on my laptop
15:43<fred>(desktop has 8GB, laptop has 4GB)
15:44<skn>4 cpus
15:44<skn>xen then I guess
15:44<StevenK>32 bit can address 4GB of RAM
15:44<StevenK>It turns out to be roughly 3.8GB on current hardware
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15:44<jkwood>StevenK: So says the hype.
15:44<daleglass>StevenK: not fully, and not for a single process
15:45<straterra>For a single process its roughly 3
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15:45<StevenK>That's the kernel doing a 3GB/1GB split
15:45<straterra>And the address limit is much of your ram is usable depends on what else in your machine has memory on it
15:45<daleglass>StevenK: You lose some of that to video card memory and such. So about 3.5GB max in practice. Plus 3GB top per process (2GB more normal setting)
15:45<silverblade>if you dont want to use 3d graphics you can also use your graphics card RAM as swap.
15:45<StevenK>daleglass: Only if you choose it to shadow. :-)
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15:50<irgeek>Solver: You can add this to your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to override the domain: supersede domain-name "";
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15:55<Solver>irgeek: cool thanks
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16:02<Solver>cdlu: you're a linode user too? :)
16:02<Battousai>like half this network is on linodes
16:02<irgeek>I'm betting more than half of this channel are on Linode
16:02<silverblade>I AM.
16:02<silverblade>and so is my caps
16:02<Solver>I think I did hear about linode years ago but I wasn't a huge fan of uml
16:02<Battousai>well i meant the actual network servers ;)
16:03<scott>uml worked well
16:03<cdlu>not compared to xen :)
16:03<Solver>I last tried it many years ago and there were network stability issues
16:03<Solver>no doubt they got sorted out
16:03<scott>there was?
16:03<scott>on xen?
16:03<Solver>i seem to recall. it was many years ago
16:03<Solver>no, uml
16:03<silverblade>i had considered other VPS companies but nobody seemed to actually know what they were doing
16:04<scott>yeah, caker knows his stuff
16:04<silverblade>i asked one what kind of programs you can run on a VPS and they said you can run a web server and similar things.
16:04<Solver>yes cluefulness is a rare characteristic ;)
16:04<jkwood>Knowledge ftw.
16:04<silverblade>i wanted to know if i could do things like run shoutcast etc
16:04<silverblade>and it sounded like they were offering a VPS solely to serve web pages.
16:04<scott>sounds legit
16:04<HoopyCat>silverblade: HOW U GET SOUND? LAMUR. PHP 4EVA
16:05*silverblade shrugs
16:05<HoopyCat>*cough* oops, sorry, wrong vendor support channel
16:05*jkwood takes HoopyCat's Caps Lock away.
16:05<silverblade>i did have a VPS elsewhere and they only let you have like 80 connections open at any one time
16:05<silverblade>and no swap.
16:05<HoopyCat>jkwood: did that with 100% shift, babe
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16:08*fred wonders how many people here have their caps lock key bound to something else
16:08<fred>Vim users: escape
16:08<fred>Emacs users (ewww): ctrl
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16:11<britt>heya back
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16:12<jkwood>I never have bothered to rebind it.
16:13<jkwood>Somebody gave me a really good suggestion for what to do with it once. I forgot, though.
16:14<jkwood>No, I don't think that was it.
16:14<skn>does linode really need to sticky a 2003 post in the forum? ;)
16:15<jkwood>It was necessary for their survival as a race.
16:15<bd1308_>jkwood: a thread from 2003?
16:16<bd1308_>is the key to linode survival?
16:16<jkwood>I didn't say a thing about linode survival. Pay attention!
16:16<bd1308_>well whoever 'thier' is
16:16<jkwood>I said it was necessary for THEIR survival as a race.
16:17<scott>which race?
16:17<scott>the elves?
16:17<jkwood>It's ambiguous, you see, and a direct quote from Halo.
16:17<bd1308_>the linode race
16:17<scott>or a race race?
16:17<scott>like nascar?
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16:17<bd1308_>jkwood: yeah--no Xbox :(
16:17<TJF>linodes turn left AND right
16:18<HoopyCat>jkwood: with re: quote: bahahaha
16:18<jkwood>bd1308_: You disappoint me. Go buy one for cheap now.
16:18<fred>Go buy a 360.
16:18<jkwood>The first game is a must. Everything else, I can do without.
16:18*scott jumps on the jkwood bandwagon
16:18<mwalling>TJF: walkins glenn?
16:18<bd1308_>jkwood: HDTV + 360 is the plan
16:18<cdlu>solver, vicariously. :)
16:18<fred>scott: that road leads to sexual harrasment.
16:18<fred>Not a good plan.
16:19<Solver>cdlu: hahaha
16:19<bd1308_>jkwood: i hear HD-DVDs are coming down in price too, so I plan on getting the brand new HD-DVD player too
16:19<Solver>vicarious system admin :)
16:19<jkwood>Who's being sexually harassed?
16:19<scott>the wood
16:19<TJF>mwalling: i was thinking more like F1 in Monaco
16:20<bd1308_>any functional/speed difference between linode 360 and linode 720
16:20<TJF>not CPU wise
16:20<bd1308_>they used to be split differnetly between machines (40:1, 30:1)
16:20<straterra>less contention for CPU time
16:20<jkwood>More storage.
16:20<HoopyCat>bd1308_: twice as much RAM, half as many neighbors
16:21<bd1308_>HoopyCat: exactly what i was looking for, although i dont have any problems as of now. 15GB of space would be nice though
16:21<HoopyCat>bd1308_: you could pay annually ;-)
16:21<bd1308_>HoopyCat: and get 15GB of space?
16:21<bd1308_>this is exciting
16:22<HoopyCat>bd1308_: well, an additional 5GB of space (on a 360)
16:23<HoopyCat>so 15GB total
16:23<skn>does anyone know how to launch screen without the default screens?
16:23<bd1308_>and even on a 720, $359 isnt bad at all (versus owning the hardware and doing co-lo)
16:23<irgeek>skn: Default screens?
16:23<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 3, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 4, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
16:24<bd1308_>:( nothing available, except in GA
16:24<skn>irgeek: the ones defined in .screerc
16:24<straterra>Erhm..the FAQ doesnt show how many people are put on a host for a 2880
16:24<tjfontaine>it's brand new, so bug mikegrb to fix it :)
16:24*straterra humps mikegrb
16:25<irgeek>screen -c /dev/null?
16:25<bd1308_>any differnece between Dallas and Freemont? Both are owned by thePlanet right?
16:25<Dustin>fremont isnt theplanet
16:25<HoopyCat>bd1308_: fremont is hurricane electric
16:25<bd1308_>so maybe i was in dallas last time
16:25<straterra>Wait..Fremont is HE?
16:25*straterra perks at the sound of IPV6
16:26<irgeek>skn: screen -c /dev/null will ignore your entire .screenrc file, that that may not be exactly what you want.
16:26<HoopyCat>they're also 1700 miles apart, which may be considered another difference :-)
16:26<HoopyCat>straterra: HE tunnelbrokers are available in frem and dalla with $smallnum rtt
16:26<skn>irgeek: yup indeed. I had to copy the screenrc into a new one and use that. oh the wasteage
16:26<irgeek>HoopyCat: Get with the 21st century man! Distance doesn't matter anymore.
16:26<bd1308_>well--I dont want 90423432073924834709342 ports blocked. thats the main thing.
16:27<bd1308_>irgeek: bandwidth is what matters now! muahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaha
16:27<path->i haven't had any issues in atlanta
16:27<HoopyCat>straterra: call your cable or satellite provider and tell them you want the IPv6 channel!
16:27<straterra>Erhm..distance does matter if you need zomglowlatency
16:27*jkwood bandwidth's irgeek
16:27<straterra>HoopyCat: already did
16:27<straterra>HoopyCat: they sent it to the wrong address ;)
16:27<path->i've been using ssl irc
16:28<path->tj made me do it
16:28<jkwood>I can't really believe I said it.
16:28<mwalling>nemith made me do it
16:28<tjfontaine>tj made nemith ;)
16:28<mwalling>nemith > tj
16:28<tjfontaine>very very very true
16:28*mwalling ducks
16:29*jkwood nemith's tjfontaine
16:29<mwalling>also, never sick you head in a fortran programer's office and state that your python is beautiful
16:29<TJF>who's nemith and why is it better than me?
16:29<mwalling>tj != TJF
16:29<StevenK>mwalling: They may beat you with a stick?
16:29<HoopyCat>mwalling: i don't care what kind of programmer they are, it's rude to sick your head in anyone's office
16:29<tjfontaine>we're the same person :)
16:29<bd1308_>HoopyCat: lol
16:30<path->! people still use fortran?!?!
16:30<bd1308_>thats what i was thinking
16:30<mwalling>StevenK: python -> snake -> inuendo for body part
16:30<bd1308_>fortran is in the ground.
16:30<TJF>never ever talk about your python in a business environment
16:30<mwalling>fortran is still alive and kicking
16:30<mwalling>matlab has portions written in fortran
16:30<path->any cobol programmers over there?
16:30<StevenK>Like anyone uses MatLAB
16:30<mwalling>no. thats a dead language
16:30*StevenK hides
16:31<bd1308_>dont some ATMs use cobol with OS/2
16:31<iggy>all the ones I've seen use windows nt
16:31<path->i think the ones i use run windoze :(
16:31<iggy>blue screen and all
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16:31<bd1308_>ive seen a OS/2 atm reboot before...that was neat
16:31<mwalling>what, who says having a 60 b*Y*te header on a 32 *bit* variable is wasteful
16:31<path->the self checkout at the grocery runs winxp
16:32*path- saw them crash
16:32<mwalling>walmarts self checkouts do too
16:32<mwalling>as do hobo depot's
16:32<path->funny watching grocery people attempt to reboot over and over to fix
16:32<StevenK>bd1308_: So have I. It made me double-take
16:32<ceu>linode vps are 32 or 64 bit ?
16:32<mwalling>ceu: yes.
16:32<iggy>32 now
16:33<iggy>oh wai
16:33<mwalling>iggy: 64 on some hosts
16:33<path->32 running on 64 procs
16:33<iggy>they got 64 working
16:33<mwalling>x86_64-linode1 and linode2 work with slamd64
16:33<ceu>so a 64-bit ubuntu is available?
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16:34<mwalling>doable, not available
16:34<irgeek>You'd need to set up the image yourself.
16:34<StevenK>Oh drat. Now I get tempted to ask for a 64-bit Xen host
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16:34<bd1308_>that reminds me of the linode woody->sarge fiasco
16:34<irgeek>ceu: What do you need 64bit for?
16:34<bd1308_>manual upgrade
16:35<ceu>irgeek: consistency with my other servers, mysql
16:35<StevenK>Eh? Once you install an image you get to upgrade it
16:35<straterra>64-bit MySQL should operate the same as 32-bit
16:35<irgeek>ceu: Well it's doable, but you'd have a bit of heavy lifting to do to get it all set up.
16:36<StevenK>Personally, I don't think 64 bit Linode is worth it.
16:36<straterra>mwalling: do you go about installing your own OS? Bootstrapping with one of those images and such?
16:36<StevenK>Mainly because you can't get more than 3GB
16:36<irgeek>straterra: Yeah.
16:36<path->might be worth it if they had 8220 plans
16:36<straterra>64-bit Linode..perfect way to eat all your memory!
16:37<StevenK>My desktop at home is 64 bit. Everything eats far more RAM
16:37*Solver moved 2 boxes back to 32bit ubuntu due to stability issues
16:37<mwalling>straterra: deploy a small slackware image, make new partition, export ROOT=/new/partition, installpkg *
16:37<StevenK>Solver: Stability? Blink
16:38<Solver>StevenK: yeah. I never did track it down. the boxes would lock up under heavy I/O
16:38<straterra>mwalling: But..but..but..gentoo?
16:38<Solver>StevenK: this was with Ubuntu 6.06 & 7.10
16:38<Solver>StevenK: I never had a vmware guest act the same way
16:38<straterra>Ubuntu..on a server...heh
16:38<irgeek>straterra: Have fun. You could boot off the smallest distro and bootstrap from there.
16:38<cruxeternus>straterra: All Linodes run Ubuntu on the host.
16:38<Solver>straterra: I mix ubuntu & debian in general
16:38<StevenK>My new Linode runs Ubuntu, too
16:39<straterra>irgeek: that's..unfortunate :)
16:39<StevenK>Gentoo is ... not for servers.
16:39*cruxeternus pats his Gentoo-running servers.
16:39<Solver>mostly I'm back to debian for servers
16:39<irgeek>Unfortunate? I thought Gentoo people liked spending weeks bootstrapping.
16:39<straterra>I love Gentoo and Slackware on servers
16:39<cruxeternus>What I'm just now discovering though, is that I'm gonna need lenny not etch for my Debian Linodes.
16:39<straterra>irgeek: I updated the majorly out of date 2007.0 image in less than a half hour
16:39<StevenK>A three-day downtime since it spends one day building gcc for an upgrade is bad :-P
16:39<cruxeternus>The software is years out of date on etch.
16:40<straterra>A day?
16:40<straterra>I can't remember the last time gcc took a day
16:40<Solver>cruxeternus: it's the price you say for uber stability and a broken openssl installation ;)
16:40<StevenK>Mind you, I don't run Gentoo, I just like making fun of it
16:40<cruxeternus>StevenK: Even so, nothing has to shut down while building gcc
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16:40<Solver>man I can't type today
16:40<irgeek>Gentoo sucks for servers. Stuff gets moved around in the portage tree way too much.
16:40<cruxeternus>Solver: And multiple year-old remote execution vulnerabilities?
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16:41<straterra>You couldn't pay me enough to use anything Debian based
16:41<Solver>cruxeternus: got an example of something open at the moment?
16:41<cruxeternus>Solver: well, I'm worried about lighttpd atm
16:41<Solver>hmm ok. not running any of those :)
16:41<cruxeternus>etch version is 1.1.13.... well over a year old.
16:41<Solver>I was briefly but swapped it for apache
16:41<StevenK>There's an open CVE against lighttpd?
16:41<cruxeternus>1.4.13, rather
16:41<bd1308_>straterra: you couldn't pay *me* enough to use Fedora. and thats *all* we use at my company. I'm going crazy....slowly.
16:42<StevenK>bd1308_: CentOS, or actual Fedora?
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16:42<Solver>remember Debian backports patches into their code base
16:42<Solver>in general
16:42<straterra>bd1308_: I hate Fedora too..and thats what my job uses :/
16:42<irgeek>bd1308_: It seems it is possible to pay you enough...
16:42<StevenK>My job uses Ubuntu.
16:42<Solver>so the version in Deb may match an exploitable version without being exploitable
16:42<bd1308_>StevenK: actual Fedora--Id rather use CentOS too.
16:42<StevenK>(And only Ubuntu, so it's great.)
16:42<bd1308_>StevenK: nevertheless, I use Ubuntu. Nice dev cycles and apt-get
16:43<Solver>I find deb/ubu is a nice mix
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16:43<bd1308_>irgeek: I guess thats true isnt it :)
16:43<StevenK>I'm trying to stamp out my Debian installs at home.
16:43<Solver>StevenK: ouch :) any particular reason?
16:43<StevenK>Most of them actually predate Ubuntu supporting that arch
16:43<Solver>StevenK: ah uber old
16:44<StevenK>(Like my hppa database server)
16:44<StevenK>Solver: I find I prefer Ubuntu for servers.
16:45<irgeek>I like Ubuntu because it's the closest Linux distro to working like OS X. The software just works and gets the fsck out of my way so I can get real work done.
16:45<Solver>StevenK: ah ok :)
16:45<bd1308_>irgeek: agreed!
16:45<Kassah>irgeek: at least on the desktop it's been getting more in my way as of 8.04
16:45<bd1308_>and apt-get get ....
16:45<Solver>Deb is great for a box you want to setup and just run and run
16:46<irgeek>I use OS X on my desktop. :)
16:46<Solver>that's the case for a lot of comercial apps
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16:46<Solver>that's how Solaris lives a lot of the time
16:46<Solver>irgeek: ubuntu here :)
16:46<Kassah>my deb boxes have yet to fail me
16:46<bd1308_>fedora fails me every day.
16:46<Solver>when I did a lot of solaris sysadmin I would be supporting several major versions
16:47<skn>interesting apt-get installed fail2ban without installing iptables!
16:47<StevenK>Ugh, Solaris
16:47<Solver>people would setup a box and leave it running in support of their DB or whatever for years (fully patched)
16:47*StevenK still has scars
16:47<Solver>StevenK: hahaha
16:47*StevenK twitches
16:47<irgeek>Not to mention I Ubuntu's LTS releases. It's nice not having to upgrade everything every two months. *cough*Gentoo*cough*
16:47<bd1308_>8.04 LTS FTW
16:47<cruxeternus>Solver: Last backport on 1.4.13 is 10 months old... still missing a lot of vulnerabilities.
16:47<clanehin>I can't stand the apple/ubuntu attitude of "we're going to give you instructions that only help you if everything works perfectly" We make easy things easy and moderately difficult things incomprehensable.
16:47<cruxeternus>(for lighttpd)
16:48<StevenK>Solver: I'd like a *sane* shell in the default PATH. And csh *isn't*
16:48<irgeek>clanehin: Uh, what?
16:48<Solver>at least it comes with bash now
16:48<StevenK>In /bin?
16:48<silverblade>cruxeternus: yeah i manually built lighttpd from source for my feisty installation (a few months back before the latest release)
16:48*Solver only switched from tcsh to bash in 2003
16:48<Solver>StevenK: /usr/local/bin
16:49<cruxeternus>silverblade: Or......... I could just use 1.4.19 in Debian lenny :P
16:49<bd1308_>alright...time for me to leave work
16:49<StevenK>The latest release is actually two ahead of Feisty
16:49<clanehin>re: the suitability of distros for desktop use
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16:49<irgeek>clanehin: I understood that much. I don't understand what instructions you're talking about.
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16:50*Solver avoids any testing distro
16:50<Solver>or unstable for that matter ;)
16:50<irgeek>And this: "We make easy things easy and moderately difficult things incomprehensable." has not been my experience at all.
16:51<clanehin>irgeek: simple things like upgrading to the next release, if it works, great. If it doesn't, I have to hunt through the docs to get real technical information in a way that I never do with debian.
16:53<StevenK>Solver: Bah, /usr/local doesn't count
16:54<StevenK>clanehin: Or apply your Debian knowledge?
16:54<irgeek>Ok, that's a philosophical difference. I'd only run a release upgrade if I /knew/ it wouldn't break anything. Since I can't know that, I install a new system, migrate things over piece-by-piece then blow away the old one. But I'm paranoid and I don't like to fuck around with things that are likely to blow up in my face.
16:54<TJF>like sodium?
16:54<clanehin>irgeek: My point exactly!
16:54<StevenK>Sodium doesn't tend to blow up
16:55<iggy>clone disk image, dist-upgrade, verify, destroy, update real server
16:55-!-gsf [] has joined #linode
16:55<scorche|sh>potassium > sodium
16:55<StevenK>Only if you do something silly, like put a fresh piece in water.
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16:55<irgeek>But no distro can guarantee me that a release upgrade will work, so it's a moot point for me.
16:55<irgeek>StevenK: Wanna bet?
16:55<StevenK>I managed to rescue my laptop after a Gutsy->Hardy upgrade died since the laptop locked up.
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16:56<StevenK>So it was running "Gardy" for a while.
16:56*HoopyCat flushes sodium down StevenK's toilet and runs
16:56<StevenK>irgeek: About Sodium? Yes.
16:56<StevenK>HoopyCat: Harsh
16:56*scorche|sh flushes potassium down HoopyCat's toilet and runs faster
16:57<clanehin>irgeek: If apt-get fails, it often gives you helpful hints about how to fix the problem. That's moderately difficult -> slightly less moderately difficult. If ubuntu's super-easy-upgrader-thingie breaks, boom, no help at all.
16:57<irgeek>StevenK: I was referring to "Sodium doesn't tend to blow up" - but you beat me to mentioning water.
16:57<StevenK>Try Cesium
16:57<irgeek>clanehin: I use apt-get...
16:57*Solver uses aptitude as a commandline tool in both debian & ubuntu
16:57<StevenK>It explodes on contact with air.
16:57*HoopyCat disassembles atomic clocks and prepares the Toilet Destroyer 4000
16:58<scorche|sh>StevenK: that is overstating it a bit, but yeah
16:58<daleglass>from what I hear, the trick is to flush oil covered sodium/whatever. That way it has time to go down the pipe ;-)
16:58<scorche|sh>daleglass: those tablets for medicine work too
16:58<daleglass>what tablets?
16:58<clanehin>anyway, I ranted, I'll go back to work. :)
16:58<HoopyCat>might be fun to tuck some up under the rim of the toilet
16:58<HoopyCat>just a dab'll do
16:59<scorche|sh>i really want some caesium
16:59<StevenK>scorche|sh: Well, it will react with the water vapour in air
16:59<TheZach>hmm I just recieved a love letter from someone not happy with me
16:59<irgeek>I wonder what would happen if you fed Sodium to a duck?
16:59<TheZach>telling me to take down a site or else
17:00<daleglass>irgeek: depending on the amount, fried duck, or little bits of duck
17:00<irgeek>TheZach: Are you Ms. Peacock?
17:00<TheZach>is any linode staff avail?
17:00<TheZach>no, Zach tends to indicate im a guy
17:00<irgeek>Staff are the people with ops.
17:00<TheZach>I know they are
17:00*jkwood pokes mikegrb or caker
17:00<TheZach>I'm asking if there avail
17:01<irgeek>It was a joke, but you weren't here to see the setup.
17:01<TJF>TheZach: he's referring to a conversation from yesterday
17:01<tierra>you need to talk with them about taking down a site?
17:01<cruxeternus>TheZach: Did you recently make a copy of someone else's forums and host them on your Linode?
17:01<jkwood>or tasaro or that other gy
17:01<StevenK>irgeek: I suspect not much interesting, until they go the bathroom
17:01<jkwood>That can't be it.
17:02<TheZach>tierra, I have someone emailing me threats about a site I am hosting on Linode
17:02<HoopyCat>StevenK: there will be trouble, however, when the oil hits the anus.
17:02<TheZach>and I thought they should be made aware of the situation
17:02<cruxeternus>TheZach: What's your URL?
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17:02*jkwood turns off his email-o-death program
17:02<TheZach>crux: are you Linode staff?
17:02-!-jwest23 [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:02<cruxeternus>No, I just want to see your website.
17:02<scorche|sh>StevenK: will react...saying it will "explode on contact with air" is a bit much though
17:03<irgeek>TheZach: The guys with ops are staff.
17:03<HoopyCat>TheZach: in general, an e-mail to is the way to go. 'tis 5pm, so there's a nonzero chance everyone is outside brushing snow off their cars to go home
17:03<jkwood>TheZach: He's just nosy. Like the rest of us.
17:03<tierra>I doubt they care unless it actually leads to abuse of the Linode network as a whole
17:03<jkwood>tierra: I doubt you're right.
17:03<cruxeternus>If you wanted your website to be private, you wouldn't put it on the Interweb.
17:03<TheZach>basically some guy who owns a website started trolling me on forums
17:03<Solver>HoopyCat: snow???? :)
17:03<StevenK>scorche|sh: I've seen it happen.
17:03<TheZach>so I decided to squat his domain :)
17:03<Kassah>hmm... is it normal to have a broken image for your io/network/cpu graphs?
17:04<cruxeternus>TheZach: Yeah, we heard his side yesterday... I just want to see for myself what your site looks like.
17:04<jkwood>TheZach is Thomas, part 2.
17:04<irgeek>Kassah: On an new Linode? Then yes.
17:04<Kassah>nope... old
17:04<Kassah>well... like month old one
17:04<irgeek>Then probably not.
17:04<TheZach>anyone have logs from this guy
17:04<TheZach>I would like to see what he has to say
17:04<HoopyCat>caker: around? :-)
17:04<jkwood>TheZach: One second.
17:05<cruxeternus>Unfortunately, my buffer has scrolled it off.
17:05<irgeek>Nope. No logs here.
17:05*HoopyCat goes for the "make IRC client light up"
17:05*irgeek wanders off whistling
17:05<cruxeternus>TheZach: But basically that you were infringing on his trademarks and stuff.
17:05<cruxeternus>I'm still curious what your website looks like.
17:05*Kassah wanders off to put in a quick support ticket
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17:06<TJF>links ftw
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17:06<cruxeternus>Yeah, search for "Thomas"
17:06<anderiv>"I need to talk to someone at linode. One of your users is committing civel and criminal acts against me with his site. I want it STOPPED" hehe
17:06<jkwood>17:38 is where it starts.
17:06<cruxeternus>JDLSpeedy: j00 are SLOW
17:06<cruxeternus>er... jkwood ^^
17:07<jkwood>cruxeternus: 0, Tab Completion: 1
17:07<TJF>cruxeternus: it was implied
17:07<cruxeternus>My archnemesis!
17:07*Solver hugs tab completion
17:07<jkwood>The Moon is Waning Gibbous (97% of Full)
17:08<cruxeternus>TheZach: I noticed you still haven't linked your URL... are you trying to hide a public website?
17:08*TJF waxes jkwood
17:08<jkwood>RRR! Feel the pain! Love the pain!
17:10<TheZach>actually im just looking for linode staff
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17:10<cruxeternus>I see what you did.
17:10<cruxeternus>You registered and put a "CLOSED" sign on it.
17:10<cruxeternus>How mature.
17:11<irgeek>TheZach: It's just after-hours at the office. They are probably in their cars, fighting traffic to get home.
17:11<irgeek>Someone is usually hanging out here in the evenings.
17:11<cruxeternus>Yeah, they're in Jersey turnpike traffic.
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17:11<Solver>geeks never sleep
17:11<HoopyCat>man, doesn't anything ever happen during business hours?
17:11<Battousai>business does sometimes
17:12<StevenK>HoopyCat: Not if you're a sysadmin
17:12<jkwood>HoopyCat: Linodes sell like hotcakes, apparently.
17:12<iggy>Battousai: lies!!!!!
17:12<Battousai>well maybe
17:12<Battousai>i've never actually seen it
17:12<linbot>irgeek: Linode360 - 5, Linode540 - 1, Linode720 - 2, Linode1080 - 2, Linode1440 - 2, Linode2880 - 2
17:12<irgeek>ZOMG! Not sold out!
17:12<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 2, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 3, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
17:12<Battousai>must be the recession
17:13<HoopyCat>i wait for the fedex, ups, staples, and usps guys, and that's about it...
17:13<HoopyCat>everything else: evenings and weekends.
17:13<Battousai>no dhl?
17:13<HoopyCat>no dilly here
17:13<jkwood>I feed like that should be a Linux distro.
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17:14<cruxeternus>English, please.
17:14<irgeek>cruxeternus: If those (.org too) are the issue, where are the civil & criminal acts?
17:14<jkwood>Darn... I didn't notice that until now.
17:14<cruxeternus>irgeek: Yeah, I don't know about the legality of it.
17:14<cruxeternus>It's still immature :P
17:14<iggy>damn, I'm beginning to think fremont won't ever get new hosts
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17:14<irgeek>Not that I agree with.
17:14<cruxeternus>He probably objects to him making ad-revenue off of it.
17:15<HoopyCat>iggy: a late train caused this delay
17:15<irgeek>I'm betting it's not much.
17:15<cruxeternus>Oh, I think it's silly from both sides.
17:15<Kassah>iggy: I'm glad I slipped in when I did =) (to the Freemont Facility)
17:16<jkwood>"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot... tis a silly place."
17:16<cruxeternus>Especially since the site is supposed to be about Autism support!!!
17:16<irgeek>Yeah. But mildly amusing to wathc. :)
17:16<jkwood>I support Autism.
17:16<iggy>Kassah: oh, I'm there, just waiting for new slots so I can move to xen
17:16<cruxeternus>jkwood: Er, that's not wha... sigh
17:16<HoopyCat>if i were in a different channel...
17:16<scorche|sh>"-Neurointegiry Staff"
17:16<cruxeternus>There'd be ASCII porn all over the channel?
17:17<skn>'night all.
17:17<Kassah>did they change how you can tell if you're on a Xen server?
17:17<jkwood>cruxeternus: And anyone else: I'm sorry, that was tasteless.
17:17<cruxeternus>scorche|sh: I don't think spelling was high on the priorities.
17:17<ajmitch>StevenK: trolling about ubuntu & debian in here now? :)
17:17<linbot>caker: Fremont360 - 40, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
17:17<jkwood>Kind of like scott's mom.
17:17<HoopyCat>HOLY SHIT
17:17<StevenK>ajmitch: Apparently.
17:17<cruxeternus>jkwood: Well, I actually thought it was funny... but I also don't have any affected relatives... so it's not personal for me :/
17:17<HoopyCat>brb, fresh baked bread spontaneously appears at the sight of fremont360s
17:18<iggy>Kassah: you mean there's no xen image in the control panel?
17:18-!-skn [] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:18<StevenK>Now I can beg caker about my ticket :-)
17:18<Kassah>iggy: not seeing it for the linode that was moved to Xen
17:18<cruxeternus>Wow, something just plopped in Fremont.
17:18<linbot>Fremont360 - 40, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 2, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 3, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
17:18<iggy>Kassah: yeah, it's not there anymore with the new lpm
17:18<irgeek>iggy: The image is gone, I believe.
17:18*ajmitch has to wait for xen hosts to be available in atlanta before his ticket can move far
17:18<irgeek>Kassah: uname -a
17:19<iggy>sadly, I need a fremont 540 on xen
17:19<@caker>iggy: sooooon
17:19<@caker>iggy: like tonight or tomorrow
17:19<StevenK>Well, I'm hoping those 40 360's are Xen
17:19*iggy anxiously awaits
17:19<@caker>yes. New hosts are Xen
17:19<ajmitch>make those hamsters run faster!
17:19<@tasaro>iggy: tonight / tomorrow based upon fremont employee speed
17:19<scorche|sh>StevenK: all new hosts are
17:19*iggy cracks the whip on fremont employees
17:20<irgeek>TheZach: Staff is around.
17:20*scorche|sh cracks the whip onto iggy to make him whip the fremont employees faster
17:21*HoopyCat attaches 12V battery to scorche|sh ... just 'cuz.
17:21<StevenK>A Duracell?
17:21<TheZach>can I PM
17:21<irgeek>Where'd you attach it?
17:22<HoopyCat>irgeek: if i were in a different channel...
17:22<scorche|sh>TheZach: pfft...dont PM...we all want to see your drama
17:22<irgeek>I guess we all have something to be thankful for. L)
17:22<@caker>TheZach: we know what's going on, so there's no need to discuss it further, really. We won't be taking any action at this point
17:22<StevenK>I wonder if anyone can run 'net user <x>' on a Windows machine so I can the format of the group membership lines
17:23*Kassah makes a new account for a personal server so he can grab one in Fremont
17:23<HoopyCat>moar bread!
17:24<TheZach>caker: Thank you
17:24<TheZach>caker: if you need anything regarding this sitation dont hesitate to give me a call or email
17:25<HoopyCat>fail: core temp 46C (target 75C)
17:26<Kassah>caker: oops... I forgot to logout of my previous login before signing up for a new account... that won't pose a problem will it?
17:26<StevenK>That doesn't sound like a fail
17:27<@caker>Kassah: did you "Add a Linode" or start from the sign-up system
17:27<Kassah>start from the signup system
17:27<@caker>that's fine
17:27<@caker>it'll kill your exisitng session at some point
17:27<Kassah>yay... it's activated =)
17:27<jkwood>Be signuping!
17:28<linbot>Fremont360 - 39, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 2, Dallas540 - 2, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 3, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
17:28<path->2097152 bytes/sec would be 2048KBps, right?
17:28*Kassah needed a seperate billing account for the biz servers and the personal server
17:28<@caker>!calc 2097152 bytes in kilobits
17:28<linbot>caker: 2,097,152 bytes = 16,384 kilobits
17:28<irgeek>About that.
17:28<@caker>!calc 2097152 bytes in kilobytes
17:28<linbot>caker: 2,097,152 bytes = 2,048 kilobytes
17:29<@caker>big B is bytes? ...
17:29<path->i think
17:29<StevenK>Big B is bytes, yes
17:29<silverblade>!calc 1 byte in nybbles
17:29<path->that's what i'm making sure about really
17:29<linbot>silverblade: 1 byte = 2 nybbles
17:29<Toba_>it is
17:29*scorche|sh delete what he was going to say about that =P
17:29<Toba_>small b is bits
17:29<TJF>depends on the marketing department
17:29<Kassah>caker: got an odd request... is there a way to give an existing user access to your linodes?
17:29<Bdragon>(symbol representing the artist formerly known as prince)
17:29<@caker>Kassah: nope
17:29<silverblade>!calc 1 nybble in bytes
17:29<path->mod_bw go!
17:29<linbot>silverblade: 1 nybble = 0.5 bytes
17:29<Toba_>caker: could there be?
17:29<@caker>Toba_: anything is possible
17:29<Toba_>it would be very useful to be able to have multiple admins for a linode
17:29<Battousai>+1, i would like access to caker's linodes
17:29<Kassah>well I think that is possible
17:29<scorche|sh>!calc 1 orange in apples
17:29<linbot>scorche|sh: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:29<Toba_>I mean, could we expect you to do it if enough of us want it
17:29<silverblade>!calc 1000 terabytes in bits
17:30<linbot>silverblade: 1,000 terabytes = 8.79609302 * 10^(15) bits
17:30<Kassah>but having one admin take care of linodes on different accounts
17:30<Kassah>would be nice
17:30*Kassah goes off to make the feature request
17:30*Toba_ doesn't need it that bad but it would be handy
17:30<Toba_>Kassah: can we vote on those? I don't know much about this.
17:30<Kassah>same here =)
17:30<path->can't you just create another account?
17:30<TJF>!calc 1 furlong in fortnight
17:30<linbot>TJF: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:30<irgeek>Toba_: You can have multiple admins now.
17:30<path->errr another user on the existing acct?
17:30<@caker>!calc 4 score in days
17:30<Kassah>donno... I just post the suggestions in forums...
17:30<linbot>caker: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:31<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:31<silverblade>!calc cake in mouth
17:31<linbot>silverblade: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:31<Toba_>irgeek: I mean in the linode dashboard thing.
17:31<silverblade>what about Google's oven?
17:31<Toba_>not on the server itself, I know that
17:31<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:31<scorche|sh>!calc 1 cake in bushels
17:31<linbot>scorche|sh: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:31<irgeek>Toba_: You can/
17:31<Toba_>oh. cool.
17:31<@caker>irgeek: he wants
17:31<silverblade>!calc 500 miles in longcats
17:31<linbot>silverblade: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:31<iggy>you just can't have EXISTING linode accounts admin other accounts
17:31<@caker>irgeek: he wants Customer A's user to be able to log into Customer B's stuff
17:31<Toba_>not all of it
17:31<iggy>caker: no, someone else asked that
17:32<Toba_>just say customer a has machines b and c
17:32<Toba_>customer d can access b but not c
17:32<irgeek>It's doable, just not with the same username.
17:32<@caker>Toba_: of course. It would work on the same access priv stuff
17:32<Toba_>is there decoupling between users and customers? I thought those were the same thing
17:32<linbot>Fremont360 - 39, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 2, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 2, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
17:32<@caker>currently, Users are tied to a Customer
17:33<irgeek>Toba_: Have you not seen the new Linode dashboard thingy?
17:33<Toba_>I saw that it changed a bit
17:33<Toba_>but I was in a hurry so I didn't have a chance to look around much
17:33<Battousai>it tempts me to buy another linode every time i log in
17:33<Battousai>because it looks so lonely
17:33<irgeek>It changed a lot. Log in and look at the top.
17:33*Toba_ will when he gets home
17:33<Xel>How goes it today?
17:33<Toba_>pretty good xel
17:33<irgeek>You can add new users now.
17:34*Toba_ wants to switch work over to linode from theplanet dedicated
17:34<Toba_>irgeek: nice.
17:34<Kassah>Toba_: what's stopping ya?
17:35<@caker> <-- need moar happy comments!
17:36<Battousai>that better not be a rickroll
17:36<@caker>it's in the /topic
17:36<Battousai>topicing rickrolls now
17:37*CoreDuo np: Alkaline Trio - Hell Yes [03:49m/1054kbps/44kHz]
17:37<CoreDuo> free flac leech ftw ;o
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17:40<irgeek>caker: Any chance we'll ever get a copy & paste way to add lots of entries to a domain in the DNS manager? Setting up 10 new records gets tedious.
17:41<@caker>I think so, yeah
17:41<@caker>imma working on some dns stuff now -- I'll see what I can do
17:41<silverblade>You are a slave to the DNS manager.
17:41<straterra>tee hee
17:41<straterra>caker: I'll have your babies if some Dallas 720's get added
17:41<straterra>I promise
17:42<Battousai>mikegrb demands live feed
17:43<irgeek>The awesomeness would be a simple text field where we paste valid bind records, you parse them and show what they parsed out to then we can confirm and they got into the system.
17:44<silverblade>or have special dns linodes that only run bind and you can tweak til your heart's content :p
17:45<Toba_>special tiny dns linodes
17:45<Toba_>that would be pretty sweet
17:45<straterra>Not as sweet as a Dallas 720
17:45<irgeek>Meh. If I wanted to run it myself, I'd just install bind.
17:45<TJF>jadoba: !
17:45<silverblade>That is the point :p
17:45<@jadoba>you called?
17:45<@jadoba>or rather, pinged, or somehting
17:46<silverblade>he exclaimed.
17:46<TJF>oh we were naming off admins
17:46*jadoba goes back to doing what he was about to do
17:46<TJF>that was like 5 hours ago
17:46<@jadoba>s/5 hours/45 minutes/
17:46<StevenK>Fairly large RTT
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17:47<@jadoba>there's a can of soda which needs to be shaken violently
17:47<linbot>New news from forums: Users that can access multiple linodes across accounts in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
17:48<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
17:48<StevenK>Who said "setup"?
17:48<@caker>forum. post.
17:48*StevenK tends to ignore forums
17:49<silverblade>!eat me
17:50*Kassah mostly just uses the forums to ask for features =)
17:51<TJF>that command should send you email, text messages, and text to speech call hunting
17:51<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:51<Battousai>mmm cake
17:52<Solver>language is dynamic and evolves :)
17:52<TJF>then I could do !caker come and play some MythII
17:52<Battousai>don't tell that to libc
17:53<silverblade>with mysql doing config stuff for postfix etc could i have a table containing user details and shove things like ftp quotas in there too?
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17:58<irgeek>caker: While were on the subject of DNS, can you have the delete screen show which record is about to be deleted for those of us who are paranoid and have little faith in our own mousing skills.
17:59<irgeek>silverblade: That would be difficult, but it's doable if you want to do the work. It would likely require coding.
18:00<silverblade>not sure why? afaik you specify which tables and fields to pull data from
18:00<irgeek>One way to make it easier might be to store the info there, but periodically dump the db and create a config file for whatever program from it.
18:00<irgeek>Of, well if the software supports MySQL then, it should be trivial.
18:00<silverblade>thats what i mean
18:00<silverblade>postfix and pureftpd both do
18:02<irgeek>Of course, FTP sucks and it's insecure. Everyone runs around shouting about remotely exploitable bugs then implements FTP/POP3/IMAP or any of the other system that do auth in clear text.
18:03<silverblade>however i host some sites for other people, who are only capable of ftp'ing.
18:03<silverblade>so i never use ftp myself
18:04<irgeek>These days, capable of FTPing = capable of SFTPing
18:04<irgeek>All the decent FTP apps support both.
18:04<silverblade>we're talking like, Windows Explorer built in ftp.
18:04<irgeek>I said decent.
18:04<silverblade>i know ;)
18:04<silverblade>so what sort of packages do sftp
18:05<irgeek>Any ssh server.
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18:05<irgeek>Or did you mean clients?
18:05<silverblade>server... you dont need anything else?
18:05<irgeek>Nope. It should be there and set up by default.
18:06<silverblade>i can transfer files via ssh myself but i didnt know there were Windows apps for doing such things.
18:06<silverblade>i know putty has something
18:06<irgeek>Filezilla used to be good.
18:06<silverblade>what about for imap stuff?
18:06<irgeek>I haven't used Windows as my main OS in a long time.
18:06<silverblade>how would i secure that
18:07<silverblade>(imap, not Windows)
18:07<irgeek>IMAP over SSL
18:07<irgeek>Same for POP3 and SMTP auth.
18:07*Toba_ uses imap over ssl
18:07*StevenK uses IMApS
18:07<Toba_>IMAPS yes.
18:07<Toba_>that is what imap over ssl is right?
18:08<silverblade>so theres not really any additional config required?
18:08<silverblade>apart from saying "use SSL"
18:08<Toba_>yeah usually there is
18:08<Battousai>well you need keys
18:08<irgeek>Plus a certificate
18:08<silverblade>any hints on how to get those?
18:08<irgeek>But that's really about it. I know cyrus and dovecot are pretty easy to get going.
18:09<irgeek>Get what?
18:09<Battousai>self-generate or buy them...
18:09<silverblade>as you can tell, thats new to me.
18:09<silverblade>i figured out ssh keys at least
18:09<irgeek>If your users are customers, you should likely buy a cert. If not, just have them install a self-signed cert that's valid for 5 or 10 years.
18:10*Toba_ uses cyrus-sasl
18:10<irgeek>Me too.
18:10<Toba_>I self-generated and then checked fingerprints in all my clients
18:10<irgeek>Wait. Nevermind.
18:10<Toba_>i'm not supplying imap/smtp to anyone but me
18:10<irgeek>I use cyrus with ssl.
18:10<Toba_>so I don't care if it's not that user friendly
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18:13<irgeek>That looks decent at first glance.
18:15<irgeek>A complete Ubuntu on Linode with secure services HowTo is on my list of things to do. I'm about to rebuild my server so I figured it was a good time to write it all down as I go.
18:15<daleglass>for SSL, try "tinyca". Handy tool that allows you to do all the functions of a CA
18:16<daleglass>make a CA cert, import it in the relevant places, and after that you can emit certificates and have them be trusted automatically
18:16<silverblade>does that need to be on the server
18:16<irgeek>For a single Linode I'd just generate a cert, sign it and install it. You don't really need the CA.
18:17<irgeek>silverblade: The CA can be somewhere else.
18:17<daleglass>silverblade: no
18:17<irgeek>Actually, it probably should be somewhere else...
18:18<daleglass>irgeek: sure, but the CA way works better long term. Say, make a CA key with a long expiration time, keep it safely somewhere home, and you can then issue new keys when they expire without problems
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18:18<irgeek>daleglass: Not to be pedantic, but keys don't expire. Certificates expire.
18:19<daleglass>irgeek: right
18:20<StevenK>GPG keys can expire ...
18:20<irgeek>We're talking about SSL.
18:21<StevenK>I know, I'm trying to be unhelpful :-P
18:24<irgeek>Nice work!
18:30*irgeek hugs WriteRoom
18:31<fred>daleglass: until you find out that your CA key was generated on a debian box in 2007 :)
18:33<Bdragon>You know what would be REALLY funny? If verisign et al used a debian box...
18:33<Toba_>I remember seeing a dump of every single key of the common openssl configurations for debian
18:33<Toba_>it wouldn't be so hard to do a fingerprint-based lookup would it?
18:33<Bdragon>Bah, it wouldn't be hard to BRUTE FORCE, the keyspace is so small...
18:34<daleglass>As far as I can tell, companies generally use Red Hat or SuSE though
18:35<iggy>are we still talking about distros? ffs people
18:35<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
18:36<daleglass>looks like they use RH
18:36*fred uses slackware
18:37<@jadoba>how do we know you're not a bot?
18:37<encode>clearly only bots use slackware
18:37<@jadoba>yes, ain't that right mwalling?
18:41<zeroday>wow, bbc's apache version is so outdated
18:41<zeroday>they used 2.0.x
18:41<zeroday>use *
18:41<Bdragon>So? There's still people on 1.6
18:42<zeroday>isnt that security risk?
18:42<CoreDuo>you mean 1.3?
18:42<Bdragon>err right ;P
18:43<irgeek>zeroday: Know of any recent exploits in Apache1.3?
18:43<Bdragon>1.3 is actually still minimally maintined
18:43<straterra>Holy jesus
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18:43<Bdragon>It's mainly still there because some people have modules that don't work with the new system
18:43<linbot>Fremont360 - 37, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 2, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 2, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 2, Atlanta1080 - 2, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 2
18:43<zeroday>irgeek, no, I still think its a bad idea to running an out of date version
18:43<irgeek>zeroday: It's not out of date. It's still maintained by the Apache foundation.
18:44<Toba_>1.3 is old
18:44<Toba_>I would switch if possible
18:44<Bdragon>apache team recommends that too
18:44<Toba_>it's not going to be supported forever
18:44<Bdragon>but sometimes, it is NOT possible
18:44<irgeek>Why? If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
18:44<Toba_>if it ain't broke and isn't likely to be unfixable in the future, don't fix it
18:44<zeroday>they wont update version numbers and do new releases for no reason
18:45<Toba_>but it's likely to be hard to fix in the future
18:46*mikegrb goes to bed
18:46<irgeek>Long term you want to keep things updated. It may very well be time to move on from Apache 1.3, but there is not yet a reason that says OMG we need it yesterday.
18:46<Bdragon>Some people have binary only vendor modules I gather...
18:47<Bdragon>'course, not on the sort of system you have directly exposed to the internet at large
18:47<irgeek>If there's a new feature in 2.2 you want, that's a reason to upgrade. If you're site's been running for years on 1.3, leave it alone.
18:48<irgeek>When you decide to revamp everything because you've grown to hate the management system, then you look at the latest-and-greatest thing and develop the new setup on top of that.
18:49*zeroday sleep
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18:49<straterra>Hmm..watching a compile over SSH uses more bandwidth than I thought
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18:50*Solver fully endorses "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
18:50<irgeek>straterra: Watching a compile over SSH usually slows it down. Run it under screen and just flip back occasionally to make sure everything is going alright.
18:50<Solver>a watched compile never finishes! :)
18:50<straterra>It is under screen
18:50<Solver>straterra: I would have thought it was bandwidth light. I often leave a remote compile on screen
18:50<Solver>(but not watching it)
18:51<straterra>Solver: depends how much movement you have :P
18:51<Bdragon>ctrl-a c
18:51<Solver>straterra: ;)
18:51<Bdragon>ctrl-a ctrl-a
18:51<Solver>ctrl-a ctrl-d
18:51<straterra>I will say..uhm.. glibc compile was freaking smoking
18:51<Dustin>how long should it take to resize a disk image through the dashboard
18:51<Bdragon>yeah, but then you gotta reattach :P
18:52<@caker>down = a while, up = not too long
18:52<Solver>Bdragon: from somewhere else even :)
18:52<irgeek>Dustin: I think it's a few mins/MB
18:52<irgeek>Er GB\
18:52<Solver>this irc session is in screen btw
18:52<iggy>Dustin: in my experience it depends how full it is
18:52<Solver>i move around (the world) and people don't notice :)
18:53<Dustin>image was 10GB, resizing down to 2GB. theres about 1.5GB of data on the image. been going for 20 minutes
18:53<iggy>sounds alright
18:53<Dustin>ok thanks
18:53<iggy>it's having to move a lot of data around
18:53<irgeek>Watching compiles over screen is slow because the compile processes writing to the screen blocks them.
18:54<straterra>I'm flashing half a dozen switches at work
18:54<iggy>just as long as no humans see
18:54<iggy>then you might be going to jail
18:56<straterra>irgeek: I didn't think it still had to wait with screen
18:56<irgeek>Oh yeah.
18:56<Toba_>who here is good with linux kernel routing tables?
18:56<straterra>I thought it passes it to screen, then screen handled it
18:56<Toba_>I'm stuck >:(
18:56<irgeek>Well, only if you're watching it.
18:56*caker routes your mom
18:56<irgeek>Toba_: Try us.
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18:56<straterra>I'll keep htop open, heh
18:57<Toba_>ok irgeek
18:57<straterra>I like watching bouncy graphs
18:57<Toba_>I want to route everything except for over tun0
18:57<Toba_>but route over eth0
18:57<straterra>So..put in a default route over eth0
18:58<straterra>Then put in another route thats more specific
18:58<Toba_>what about the existing default route?
18:58<straterra>What about it?
18:59<straterra>Lemme guess
18:59<straterra>You have a VPN tunnel..and want to (by default) route everything over it?
18:59<Toba_>is there a good way to do this in the openvpn config?
18:59<straterra>But..the tunnel depends on the default route, does it not?
18:59<Toba_>yes it does
18:59<Toba_>which is why I want that to not try to go over the tunnel
18:59<Bdragon>(set default route to vpn and a static route to the other endpoint...)
18:59<straterra>That presents a bit of a problem
19:00<straterra>I gotcha
19:00<irgeek> route add -host gw
19:01<irgeek>route add default gw ip.of.vpn.tunnel
19:01<Toba_>as in the remote virtual ip?
19:02<Bdragon>I think on point to point connections it will recognize either end as valid...
19:02<Toba_>yeah it seems to be showing either as the destination in the routing table
19:02<Toba_>at random
19:03<Toba_>crap, I have to run
19:03*Toba_ copy pastes chat to a file
19:03*mwalling points to the logs
19:03<Toba_>thanks for the help guys :)
19:03<Toba_>it' easier to find if it's on my laptop mwalling :p
19:03*Toba_ afk
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19:17<irgeek>I thought Google was supposed to be evil-free. Google apps for your domain requires that you opt-out of services, one by fucking one.
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19:22<path->there's only like 5 of them
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19:27<irgeek>7 now
19:29<@caker>all we are is dust in the wind
19:29<@caker>duuuust .. in the wind
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19:43<HoopyCat>im in ur channel, killing ur convos
19:50<daleglass>irgeek: Google's been evil for a long time now
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19:51<daleglass>Hell, all that's left for them is to track of when I go to the bathroom
19:56<pdepartida>daleglass: well, em... haven't you heard of
19:56<pdepartida>"broadband through toilet" so that's not so far away...
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19:57<path->if you want to track bathroom trips, just use twitter
19:59<daleglass>pdepartida: that's a joke of course, but I mean, I don't think there's anything Google hasn't done yet or isn't doing to get their hands on information. Now it seems they're asking people to submit their health records
20:00<pdepartida>well, i'm not sure of why that would be a bad thing..
20:01<pdepartida>what do yu think?
20:02<mwalling>irgeek: yeah, but no one said you had to point your dns at all of them
20:02<path->maybe they'll tell me how i will die and when
20:02<daleglass>"According to its Terms of Service, Google Health is not considered a "covered entity" under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996; thus, HIPAA privacy laws do not apply to it."
20:03<pdepartida>daleglass: ok... get your point.
20:06<Toba__>I swear, VPN cannot become more of a pain in the ass than it is
20:06<mwalling>openvpn is easy
20:06<Toba__>for some reason it refuses to work
20:06<Toba__>I think I'm doing two conflicting things
20:06<Toba__>yeah I think so
20:07<Toba__>dunno what though
20:07*mwalling followed the 2.0 howto from openvpn's site
20:10<Bdragon>I can't get tisp, I have a septic tank :(
20:11<path->you need to get out of the boondocks
20:14<linbot>New news from forums: Delivering mail to servers in Email/SMTP Related Forum <> || Notification on host server crash in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
20:15<HoopyCat>that place just looks like a great place to buy fish.
20:18<irgeek>Oh yeah. Check the email-addy-is-now-my-google-talk-id hotness!
20:21<bob2>oh, poor hotmail users
20:22<irgeek>Now. I just need to get all my friends off crappy we-only-communicate-without-ourselves IM services and I can have one addy to rule them all!
20:23<Zotnix> I am going to hell.
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20:25<Internat>irgeek: i assume u mean with yourselves not without//..
20:25<det>What is the status of x86_64 support? This issue is the only thing keeping me from switching from slicehost to linode.
20:25<irgeek>det: I've heard it's been made to work, but I haven't played with it.
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20:26<@caker>det: it works fine on the majority of our Xen hosts
20:26<@caker>det: the other hosts require an update (read: reboot) before it'll work
20:27<Toba__>what netblock around does linode own?
20:27<Toba__>well, control
20:28<@caker>Toba__: that should be it.
20:29<@caker>commence scanning
20:29<det>caker, So it is available as an install option?
20:29<bob2>one unaggregated /25 detected!
20:29<@caker>det: well, the kernel is available, but the distros are still 32bit. You can either upgrade them in place, or upload your own distro using a temporary deployment to bootstrap
20:30<mwalling>Layered Technologies, Inc. NETBLK-PLNT-LT-12 (NET-67-18-187-0-1) -
20:30<mwalling>no theshore?
20:30<@caker>yeah, some of the rwhois stuff is wrong
20:30<@caker>they don't do it anymore, apparently
20:30<det>Oh, ok. I need a "Debian 4.0 x86_64" or "Ubuntu 8.04 x86_64" install option.
20:30<@caker>det: both debian and ubuntu can upgrade to x86_64 in place
20:31<det>Still, sounds messy. It's not something I want to deal with.
20:31<det>What is the reason for focusing on 32bit anyways?
20:32<mwalling>the fact that the largest linode plan is < 4G?
20:32<path->isn't 64bit only advantageous for large memory support?
20:32<@caker>path-: and big maths
20:32<bob2>and general speed, since you get like twice as many registers
20:32<mwalling>caker: is zunzun using 64bit yet?
20:32<path-><-- just focuses on kbit/byte conversions
20:32<@caker>bob2: twice as many registers??
20:33<bob2>caker: x86 has 8 general purpose registers, amd64 has 16
20:33<det>caker, x86_64 exposes 2x the amount of hardware registers to the assembler
20:33<@caker>det: I'd be happy to roll up a 64 bit kernel -- Ubuntu sound good?
20:33<det>caker, Yeah
20:34<irgeek>caker: Should we check back in about 10 minutes for that?
20:34<mwalling>irgeek: he's got to wake mikegrb up :P
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20:34<irgeek>That' is why sticks are pokey on one end.
20:35<det>Anyways, in my case, I want to use ocaml on my VPS, and it's x86_64 implementation is much much better than its x86. Also, I want to have the same distro/architecture as my home machine as I build some debs there.
20:35<HoopyCat>i thought it was so you knew which end of the stick to use in roman bathrooms?
20:36<irgeek>Stick in roman bathrooms? Luxury!
20:38<Solver>I hope the Romans washed their stick between uses
20:38<det>caker, I think it would be a big marketing win for you guys if you advertised 32bit/64bit support and had counterparts for all (most?) install options.
20:38*Solver would love xfs based systems
20:38<Solver>yeah it'd be ext3 underneath knowing xen :)
20:38*Internat joines the evil side
20:39*Internat wants a windows instance
20:39<mwalling>irgeek: die
20:39<mwalling>irgeek: live
20:39<Solver>Reiserfs is only ok if it is in a jail
20:39<mwalling>Internat: die
20:39<Internat>Solver: *clap clap*
20:39*Solver takes a bow
20:39<HoopyCat>mwalling engages god mode
20:40*Internat su's to mwalling and executes shutdown -hP now
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20:42<det>caker, Is it possible to somehow get a iso onto linode and run a fresh install using + your console ssh implementation?
20:42<irgeek>det: Yes
20:42<Solver>if this is an faq feel free to smack me down :)
20:42<Internat>umm finnix
20:42<irgeek>Use a small partition, mount you iso through loop and off you go!
20:42<Internat>if u can use finnix in xen yet?
20:43<irgeek>Internat: Don't think so.
20:43<Internat>yeah ok
20:43<HoopyCat>you can as of a couple days ago
20:43<Internat>insatall debian small in a relatively small partioin
20:43<mwalling>mikegrb: fixed finnix
20:43<det>irgeek, meh, ugly solution and you lose 700MB disk space at least
20:43<Internat>oh well there ytou go
20:44<Internat>det: use finnix with 2 partions
20:44<Solver>I considered the small partition approach but wasn't sure how thst gelled with the concept of support :)
20:44<Internat>makig your big parition for everything and a 1gig partition at the end
20:44<mwalling>det: *temporarally* lose that space
20:44<Internat>put ur iso in the 1 gig part at the end
20:44<Solver>you can reallocate it afterwards
20:44<Internat>use it to install your primary parition, then delete and expand at the end
20:44<irgeek>How do you lose disk space? You can blow it away and resize/mount somewhere after you finish.
20:45<det>True, I guess Linode supported install option is still the nicest solution.
20:45<mwalling>anyway its a moot point, since caker's rolling a ubuntu image for him
20:45<irgeek>Solver: Support? From Linode? Support ends where you IP begins.
20:45<Solver>irgeek: at the time I wasn't sure how it all hung together and didn't want to blow it up. Now I see I could always start over easily
20:46<Solver>otoh ext3 isn't that painful :)
20:46<Internat>i use xfs for most of my data
20:46<Internat>mainly cause i have craploads of small files
20:46<Solver>I generally use it for servers
20:46<Internat>well my new build of server will be, the old ones a bit well messed up
20:46<irgeek>I use ext3 because everything supports it.
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20:49<irgeek>It's been real, it's been fun. Hasn't been real fun.
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20:49<Solver>has linode considered installations in other countries/continents?
20:49<HoopyCat>Solver: they're in texas too, you know
20:50<det>Linode doesn't implement any kind of traffic shaping if you actually use most of your bandwidth limit, right? I will probably come close to it each month.
20:50<HoopyCat>it's *like* a whole other country...
20:50<Bdragon>Nope, you can fly right past it as fast as you want.
20:50<path->don't texans think they are..
20:50<mwalling>det: afaik, no, its a soft cap, but wait for a +o's response
20:50<Bdragon>You're responsible for your own damn throttling
20:51<@tasaro>det: no throttling, default e-mail alert threshold is set to 80% I believe
20:51<Peng>Other countries would get into all sorts of legal messiness.
20:51<det>It's just that some providers advertise large bw caps and then throttle you to 15k/s if you actually start to use it, effectively making it impossible to use your whole limit.
20:51<Peng>And shipping the servers would be awfully expensive!
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20:54<Solver>badoom cha! :)
20:54<Solver>what happens if you do hit it,
20:54<Solver>is it a wall?
20:54<Solver>not that I'm likely to get anywhere near 200GB for my purposes :)]
20:54<Solver>Peng: ;)
20:54<Bdragon>Heh, sometimes I seed netbsd isos if it's a slow month ;)
20:55<HoopyCat>from a linux box? doesn't that taint them? :-)
20:55<Solver>well the kernel has "borrowed" code from NetBSD
20:55<Solver>it's a oneway door that :)
20:55<Peng>It's always a slow month for me, so I've been running Tor. It's great at sucking bandwidth and RAM.
20:55<mendel>solver: It's not a wall, AFAIK. They'll talk to you about it.
20:56<Solver>mendel: ah cool
20:56<Solver>mendel: unlikely I'll get near it but I just wondered
20:56<Internat>i came close one day when i aciddently left a torrent running for 24hrs uncapped.. uploaded 50gig in on day :/
20:56<Solver>ouch :)
20:57<Peng>What's a good BitTorrent client to run on a Linode?
20:57<Internat>none :/
20:57<bd_>rtorrent works nicely, I've found
20:57<Bdragon>I used to use bittornado, but I switched to rtorrent and it's nice...
20:57<det>I once had a user with a broken download manager download the same 70Mb file multiple times totaling like 10GB.
20:57<Internat>the thing to remember about bit torrents on the uml linodes, is that they chew thru io usage
20:57<mwalling>i use bittornado
20:58<Solver>Internat: you an Aussie?
20:58<det>I guess it's faster to torrent on your VPS and then download from there because the high upload speed?
20:58*Solver is an expat
20:58<Internat>Solver: yes i am
20:58<Solver>Internat: Brisbane?
20:59<Solver>my home town :)
20:59<Internat>although im in sydney atm
20:59<Solver>Internat: ever been to humbug?
20:59<Internat>(currently in a solaris 10 sysadmin course)
20:59<Solver>ah cool
20:59<Internat>nah cant say i have
20:59<Peng>I might use BT on my Linode because it doesn't work on my PC. Probably messed up port forwarding or whatever.
20:59<Solver>ah ok. surprising how many linux users don't attend LUG meetings (humbug being something of a defacto lug)
20:59*ajmitch remembers going to humbug once
21:00<linbot>Fremont360 - 34, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Dallas360 - 3, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 1, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
21:00<Peng>Ooh, Fremont.
21:00<bd_>whoa, lots of fremont all of a sudden
21:00<Solver>ajmitch: then perhaps we met :)
21:00<path->thats like gold!
21:00<Peng>I just realized that 34 means they only got one server.
21:00*Peng wanders off.
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21:01<Internat>1 or 2?
21:01<mwalling>Peng: one servers worth still available
21:01<HoopyCat>Peng: a late camel caused this delay.
21:01<bd_>40 ~= one server, so I guess six people have already snapped up slots?
21:01<bd_>Internat: 360 is 40:1 contention after all
21:01<mwalling>Internat: 360s are 40:1
21:01<Internat>ah ok, i thought it was less then thhhhhhhhat these days :)
21:01<Solver>so if someone upgrade their a/c they are migrated?
21:01<Internat>wtf happened to the h key there
21:01<mwalling>Solver: yes
21:01<mwalling>Solver: one plan per server
21:01<Solver>ah ic
21:02<ajmitch>Solver: perhaps we did meet, but it was > 2 years ago, and I was there once :)
21:02<bd_>Solver: You get migrated to a new server; they'll try to keep you in the same datacenter unless you tell them you don't care about IP changes.
21:02<Solver>ajmitch: ;)
21:02<Solver>bd_: so might event shift DC - cute :)
21:02*Solver would care about changing IP :)
21:03<@caker>Solver: we only move you to another DC if you request it.
21:03<Solver>caker: makes sense :)
21:04<Bdragon>Also, the actual migration doesn't happen til you click the button...
21:04<@caker>yeah .. you kick it off when you're ready
21:05<straterra>caker: I'd like my Linode bedroom :P
21:05<straterra>Bring the datacenter please
21:05<Solver>or a really long cable
21:05<Bdragon>(for only $700....)
21:06*HoopyCat moves into straterra's bedroom and installs a very noisy space heater
21:06<straterra>Go for it
21:06<det>Hmm, 40:1 , means $800/mo per server, that's quite the profit? :-)
21:06<straterra>My Shuttle and Xbox 360 are loud enough
21:07<HoopyCat>det: what a country!
21:07<mwalling>det: yeah, but how many months does it take to pay off the server?
21:08<path->i suspect there is some overhead
21:08<det>3 maybe
21:08<path->i appreciate not maintaining things at that level
21:08<Bdragon>They're nice boxes.
21:08<det>path-, I agree, I'm happy with slicehost and linode looks even nicer.
21:08<Bdragon>Also, rackspace, bandwidth, and power are not free
21:08<@caker> <-- Lotsa Copper!
21:09<mwalling>(after throwing in datacenter, shipping, paying the employees who built the boxes...)
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21:09<@caker>3 months? I wish
21:09<Bdragon>yay, new pictures
21:10<@caker>Go spec out an 8 core box with 24G o ram, 3ware card, and two 1TB drives
21:10<Bdragon>doing a little recycling?
21:10<@caker>yeah .. that's about 150 hosts worth of ununsed heatsinks
21:10<det>caker, how many dimms?
21:10<@caker>det: 12 2GB dimms (out of 16 slots)
21:10<Bdragon>You know, 434 lbs of copper is probabaly worth quite a bit..
21:10<@caker>Bdragon: :)
21:11<encode>why such big pictures, i can't loa them at work. it'll take all day
21:11<HoopyCat>caker: don't forget the extra chassisses to contain the heatsink-stealing robot
21:11<det>caker, DDR2 is cheap, why not fill the extra 4 slots and offer some upgraded ram plans?
21:11<straterra>Theres a cylon stealing heatsinks?
21:11<@caker>det: current draw
21:11<straterra>det: You can upgrade your memory.. o.O
21:11<Bdragon>Again, power is not free.
21:12<det>straterra, you must upgrade everything :-)
21:12<straterra>caker: That memory is DDR2 ECC Registered, right?
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21:12<det>RAM is often the bottleneck on VPS
21:12<@caker>straterra: something like that, yeah
21:12<straterra>det: not can get JUST more memory
21:12*ajmitch imagines that it's not your average no-name brand, non-ECC, etc
21:12<Bdragon>No, disk io is
21:12<straterra>It's kingston
21:12<det>ajmitch, name brand DDR2 is cheap
21:12<straterra>The bottleneck of the VPS depends greatly on the host hardware and the usage of the other VPS clients
21:13<mwalling>straterra: the box that caker photographed was kingston
21:13<straterra>mwalling: I know..I dont forget hardware
21:13<det>straterra, which is why I used the word "often" rather than "always"
21:13<bd_> ew, you use windows in the office? :)
21:13*straterra wishes he could put Win2k3 on his Linode..despite the irony
21:13<mwalling>bd_: you think thats linodes office?
21:13<bd_>I don't know :)
21:13<HoopyCat>bd_: something tells me that's Acme Salvage and Recycling of New Jersey
21:14<Bdragon>That's obviously a facility of some sort
21:14<det>caker, PSU cant handle the current draw or is it related to your cage or something?
21:14<mwalling>bd_: go up a level into the office directory :P
21:14<HoopyCat>bd_: (our motto: "You don't talk about our operating system and we don't throw you into the vat")
21:14<@caker>det: PSUs can, but with the extra current draw it's not worth it, because we'd get one less box per circuit. And, the market isn't ready for us to increase ram yet
21:14<path->caker, you love people discecting your business decisions, right?
21:15*caker shrugs
21:15<det>You have a IRC channel full of curious geeks, what do you expect :-)
21:15<straterra>caker: I'll still have your children if you somehow magically get a 720 ready in Dallas :P
21:16<@caker>straterra: where's your node now?
21:16<path->yea, and every geek knows their way is better :)
21:16<straterra>I have a 320..
21:16<@caker>lemme dig around
21:16<straterra>Uhm..sweet, thanks
21:17<avongauss>I can't believe I am going to say this, but that last ram bump was probably too early.
21:17<Bdragon>I tend to agree
21:17<mwalling>i dont :)
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21:18<HoopyCat>memcached pr0n
21:18<Bdragon>Big storage thingie on backend network!
21:18<@caker>avongauss: it was part of our plan, and has achieved my objective, so I'm happy.
21:18<Bdragon>(that's what I'm wanting..)
21:18<mwalling>caker: how long on those?
21:18<avongauss>oh, I'm not complaining... :)
21:18<@caker>mwalling: hmm ..
21:19<@caker>mwalling: in Q3
21:19<HoopyCat>fiscal or calendar?
21:19-!-neale [] has joined #linode
21:19<@caker>same, in our case
21:20<HoopyCat>just doin' my due diligence
21:20<@caker>straterra: migration configured. You better hurry! :>
21:20<mwalling>straterra: GOGOGO
21:20<Bdragon>hey, what's up with the parent directory links btw?
21:21<Bdragon>It's adding another /
21:21<@caker>yeah .. I'm proxying it to
21:21*caker shrugs
21:21*Bdragon stacks up some /'s by clicking up and down
21:21<straterra>caker: :O
21:21*ajmitch wonders what caker's evil objectives are
21:21<avongauss>wonder if it's going to be a boy or girl...
21:21<bob2>does theshore still sell web hosting?
21:22<@caker>hell no :)
21:22-!-jm [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:22<mwalling>caker: is that a $myEmployer Q3 prediction, a Government Q3 prediction, or a honest to god Q3 prediction?
21:22<Bdragon>Look at the be-yootiful color scheme...
21:23<neale>$myemployer[caker] = caker
21:23<@caker>Bdragon: !
21:23<bd_>Bdragon: And the amazing deals!
21:23<Bdragon>Nah, I like pastels even if it's ketchup and dried mustard
21:23<HoopyCat>caker: i really can't come up with a reason to pay more. sold!
21:23<Bdragon>Oh wow, a blink tag
21:23<Bdragon>I thought those things were extinct
21:24<mwalling> Copyright © 2002 Shore Network Technologies. Please don't steal it.
21:24*HoopyCat steals it
21:24<bd_>Hmm, 500'd!
21:24<bob2>omg <blink>
21:25<Bdragon>History is fun!
21:25<neale>holy cow I didn't even know Shore Networks was a real company
21:25<tjfontaine>parent company
21:25<bd_> Evil squirrel is the true mastermind behind Linode.
21:26<@caker>he would crawl outside my window and mess with me
21:26<bd_><caker> Yes, m'lord.
21:27<@caker> <-- intial Linode deployment. History in the making
21:27<bob2>thank you for the 'status' update
21:27*Bdragon watches the accumulating slashes...
21:28<mwalling>ah 5505 too :P
21:28<HoopyCat>that squirrel is, for the record, officially freaky.
21:28<Zotnix>caker: And now you are exploding :p
21:29<bd_>Zotnix: I knew that squirrel was up to no good!
21:29<Zotnix>I meant in growth
21:29<HoopyCat>squirrel is naturally lean, you know
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21:30<HoopyCat>the other, other white meat
21:30<tjfontaine>'s cousin
21:30<HoopyCat>'s best friend
21:30<Zotnix>HoopyCat: Mmmm
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21:31<straterra>caker: I really didn't have to hurry..did I?
21:32<straterra>It's moved
21:32<mwalling>always do what caker says, for caker is god
21:32<straterra>But..uhm..I don't have my extra disk space..or memory..or bandwidth :/
21:32<@caker>straterra: har .. one sec
21:33<mwalling>straterra broke it
21:33<straterra>I broke linode?
21:33<straterra>Damn...I really am fail
21:34<theseus>i have a Service Temporarily Unavailable 503 error -- my error log shows [error] (111)Connection refused: proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to ( failed
21:34<theseus> any help/
21:34<mwalling>for waht application?
21:35<theseus>i am also getting (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket)
21:35<theseus>this is for apache2 running on ubuntu 7.10 with mod_proxy balancer and mongrel
21:36<theseus>i am pretty frustrated at this point . . . recurring error
21:36<@caker>straterra: you should see the goods now (will require a reboot)
21:36<straterra>I love you
21:37<straterra>Shouldn't the plan read 720?
21:37<straterra> that after you bill me?
21:37<bd_>theseus: netstat -tnlp|grep 8000 <-- see if whatever it's proxing to is still alive?
21:38<Bdragon>thesus: Sounds kinda like your mongrel died...
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21:38<Bdragon>theseus rather
21:38<HoopyCat>caker turns epic fail into epic quail, tonight on fox.
21:39*tasaro is glad to have 400 lbs of heat sinks out of his garage
21:40<straterra>tasaro: I'll..offload some for you
21:40<straterra>I have some overclocking to do
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21:43<theseus>netstat -tnlp | grep 8000 returned nothing
21:43<mwalling>21:38 < Bdragon> thesus: Sounds kinda like your mongrel died...
21:43<bd_>theseus: sounds like
21:43<bd_>theseus: sounds like mongrel died or something?
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21:43<theseus>Bdragon: how do i check my mongrels?
21:43<mwalling>sounds like a personal problem
21:43<theseus>i've done it before
21:44<theseus>hey -- it gets ts harder with old age
21:44<Bdragon>[20:40] <straterra> I have some overclocking to do <-- Heh, the mention of overclocking reminds me of
21:44<Bdragon>theseus: Uh, check mongrel log, check /var/log/messages, maybe it got killed by the oom killer?
21:44<Bdragon>Try starting it back up, see if it falls over again right away...
21:46<Bdragon>heh, also
21:48<HoopyCat>it's not the frequency of the waveform, my friend; it's the amplitude of the peaks. giggity, etc.
21:49<mwalling>giggity, giggity, giggity goo.
21:49<theseus>Bdragon: o.k. that is my problem . . . working it
21:50<HoopyCat>bedtime. g'nite all!
21:52<irgeek>caker: That initial Linode deployment was not was I imagined in my head when I signed up. :)
21:53<straterra>caker: all up and do you want to knock me up? :O
21:53<irgeek>Five years is just around the corner. Is my "Thanks for being such and awesome customer" t-shirt in the mail yet?
21:54<@tasaro>irgeek: what size?
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21:54<tjfontaine>git-svn slow. mmk.
21:54<irgeek>Non-shrinky t-shirts medium.
21:55<irgeek>tjfontaine: Only for the initial clone. It's super fast after that.
21:55<tjfontaine>better be.
21:56<irgeek>I clones a tree with about 1000 revisions the other night. It took about 30 mins.
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21:56<tjfontaine>r600 now
21:56<irgeek>What are you cloning?
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21:56<tjfontaine>oftc repo
21:56<tjfontaine>well ircservice repo
21:56<tjfontaine>trunk only
21:57<tjfontaine>can I do an git-svn switch later? :) I suppose I can muck with .git/config manually
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21:58<tjfontaine>it's weird watching this, it's like watching my work via time-lapse
21:59<irgeek>Are you a committer?
21:59<irgeek>Are you using git because you're sick of svn? I've seen a lot of developers doing that lately.
21:59<irgeek>And I heartily agree.
22:00<tjfontaine>nah, cause I wanna see what dvcs + svn is like
22:00<tjfontaine>and didn't want to use svk
22:00<tjfontaine>but using git allows me to checkpoint my own side
22:00<irgeek>Well, I can tell you that git-svn is awesome. One of the best ideas they had in creating git.
22:01<irgeek>Once you remap your brain and get used to creating local branches to screw around in, you will never want to go back.
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22:05<irgeek>"Are you a committer?" ... looks at revision logs ...
22:05<irgeek>Oh, you're /the/ commiter
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22:07<tjfontaine>one of 2 yes :)
22:07<tjfontaine>in more recent history mostly me
22:07<tjfontaine>time constraints for others
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22:15<irgeek>There's a ./ story about the paypal guy who's now getting into seasteading--creating human colonies floating on the ocean. I knew that guy as a kid, and this news surprises me.
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22:15<bob2>can you ask him to unblock my paypal account????
22:15<irgeek>I really envied him when we were little because he had way, way more Lego than I did.
22:16<irgeek>:) I haven't seen him in years. Though our parents are still good friends.
22:16<irgeek>Our dad's worked together.
22:19<irgeek>Looks like Web 3.0 will be run from the ocean. The other two people involved in the sea colonies are from Google & Sun.
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22:55<tjfontaine>other os x'ians awake atm?
22:56<tjfontaine>does glibtoolize --ltdl work for you?
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22:56<tjfontaine>ls: libltdl/*: No such file or directory
22:56<tjfontaine>glibtoolize: cannot list files in `/usr/share/libtool/libltdl'
22:57<tjfontaine>is what I get
22:58<@caker>it seems to work here
22:59<tjfontaine>can you pastebin `ls /usr/share/libtool` for me? :)
22:59<tjfontaine>for the life of me I can't figure out where that would have gone
23:01<tjfontaine>you're running leopard though right?
23:02<tjfontaine>hm, 10.5 here
23:02<tjfontaine>I wonder if it's related to me not installing the dev stuff when I was running 10.4
23:02<tjfontaine>do you use fink or macports stuff?
23:03<@caker>lemme etry from my iMac in the office
23:05<@caker>honestly, I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, but I can get it to run and give me some warnings and stuff ... :)
23:06<iggy>I only have 4 things in /usr/share/libtool
23:07<tjfontaine>caker: you probably have a symlink to libltdl directory :)
23:07<iggy>of course I get an error when I run glibtoolize --ltdl
23:07<tjfontaine>ls /usr/share/libtool/
23:07<tjfontaine>config.guess config.sub install-sh
23:08<tjfontaine>caker: do you use fink/macports?
23:08<irgeek>I just got a consulting contract to watch over a larger consulting company and make sure they don't do anything stupid. Plus I get to go to Aussie for it. Yay!
23:08<iggy>this is a clean leopard install with the dev tools
23:08<tjfontaine>iggy: same
23:09<ajmitch>irgeek: my condolences
23:10<Hobbsee>better than with all the sheep, though.
23:10<ajmitch>oh look, an australian :)
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23:11<irgeek>ajmitch: I'm and Aussie too. Just expatriated.
23:12<irgeek>tjfontaine: It works on my Leopard too.
23:12<irgeek>It's not a symlink
23:13<tjfontaine>irgeek: do you use fink/macports at all?
23:14<irgeek>I installed fink a long, long time ago and haven't touched it in over a year. The TS on the files in /usr/share/libtool/ is Sep 23 2007. They've been touched much too recently to be fink-owned.
23:15<irgeek>That is before my Leopard update too.
23:17<@caker>tjfontaine: I have the macports stuff installed
23:18<@caker>tjfontaine: well, on the iMac . On my laptop it's Fink :)
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23:18<tjfontaine>caker: heh ok
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23:18<tjfontaine>irgeek: the TS on the libltdl directory is new as well?
23:19<kotrin>can you switch from monthly billing to yearly billing?
23:19<bd_>kotrin: yes, put in a ticket
23:19<tjfontaine>kotrin: sure file a ticket
23:19<irgeek>kotrin: Yes.
23:20<irgeek>tjfontaine: That's in /opt/local and it's a year older...
23:21<irgeek>I just noticed that the executable is /opt/local/bin/glibtoolize
23:21<tjfontaine>irgeek: you don't have a libltdl subdirectory in /usr/share/libtool? then in your path the glibtoolize that's being run isn't the leopard version
23:21<tjfontaine>yes, so glibtoolize that os x ships does *not* work with libltdl
23:21<tjfontaine>splendid :/
23:23<irgeek>Not much on the web either.
23:23<tjfontaine>apparently it's just something I should know
23:24<tjfontaine>most everyone else sullies their installs with fink/ports
23:26<kotrin>issuing bank name? why do they need this information
23:26<bd_>kotrin: Because a thief might not know this information :)
23:26<irgeek>I didn't have much of a choice. I need octave & gnuplot for a project.
23:26<tjfontaine>irgeek: the choice is build yourself :)
23:27<tjfontaine>and put things in a prefix that are easy to blow away
23:27<irgeek>When you need to get a project done, that's not a choice.
23:27<irgeek>Like /opt ?
23:27<tjfontaine>yes, but fink futzed with your path w/o you knowing
23:28<tjfontaine>building your own toolchain, and then source /prefix/
23:28<tjfontaine>then continue on with life
23:28<irgeek>No, I futzed with my path.
23:28<tjfontaine>so if you blow away /opt/project things in your OSX life aren't nackerd
23:30<@tasaro>kotrin: there are a few fields on the signup form to clue us into fraudulant applications
23:32<kotrin>tasaro: mkay
23:35<irgeek>tjfontaine: I ran updatedb to be sure. The /opt/share files are the only ltdl headers on my machine.
23:36<tjfontaine>why ship glibtoolize with the option available if you're not going to install the file
23:36<kotrin>can i delete the distro after i configure it?
23:38<bd_>kotrin: sure
23:38<bd_>just delete the disk images and configuration profile
23:40<irgeek>tjfontaine: The libtool docs say that libltdl is not threadsafe, and Apple loves threading, so that may be why.
23:41<irgeek>Might be a simple omission.
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23:42<iggy>that hasn't been fixed in 2 subversion releases or numerous other patches?
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23:42<tjfontaine>removing a piece that's fairly integral to many f/oss projects is not a simple omission
23:42<iggy>tj: you should file a bug with apple
23:43<irgeek>The library is there, just not the headers.
23:43<tjfontaine>where's jotun when I need him
23:44<tjfontaine>well it's only a problem for people who want to build from cvs/svn/$your_fav
23:44<tjfontaine>and have to autogen
23:44<tjfontaine>and dynamically load libraries
23:45<irgeek>in a non-thread-safe manner
23:45<tjfontaine>ya well, just like many applications
23:45<ang>any of you guys use this?
23:45<tjfontaine>I use google apps
23:45<irgeek>Not the security stuff. I use them for jabber on my primary domain.
23:46<ang>thinking of ditching spamassasin in favor of postini
23:46<irgeek>ang: I think that's only available in the paid version.
23:46<ang>yeah. the price is pretty reasonable
23:47<irgeek>Are you planning to move you users mail to google, or just have them forward to you?
23:48<schmichael>my small amount of experience with postini was all good
23:48*schmichael prefers outsourcing antispam
23:49<ang>i just want them to filter the spam out. i'd rather have the spam stopped at their doorstep
23:49<schmichael>ang: agreed
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23:50<irgeek>Does Google's spam filtering work well on accounts which are never logged into?
23:50<ang>i mean, spam assassin+thunderbird does a nice job of tagging stuff as spam, but it's still getting delivered...
23:51<iggy>the only thing I don't like about them is they require valid rdns
23:51<iggy>and we have no control over our rdns at work (even though it's a business line)
23:52<irgeek>That's not a proper business line then. Honestly, you should be using a different provider.
23:52<iggy>T1 from sbc
23:53<tjfontaine>iggy: what's your rdns as is?
23:53<irgeek>I really, really, wish ICANN had required valid rDNS on current IP-space to get new IP-space. The world would be a better place.
23:53<path->what do you do, a catchall address and fetchmail or soemthing?
23:53<tjfontaine>or non-existent?
23:53<iggy>not a whole lot more where we are
23:53<opello>a lot of providers don't let you control rdns, but will set it for you, in my experience anyway
23:53<tjfontaine>qwest and twc have
23:53<irgeek>iggy: You have a T1 and your provider won't do rDNS? WTF is wrong with them?
23:53<iggy>I don't know what it is
23:54<bob2>how big a subnet did they give you?
23:54<irgeek>The last place I worked we had a T1 with a /27 and the provider farmed rDNS out to our own servers.
23:55<irgeek>Sorry, I meant to say /28
23:56<iggy>we have a .240
23:57<irgeek>!calc 240 in binary
23:57<linbot>irgeek: 240 = 0b11110000
23:57<opello>28 as well :)
23:57<iggy>we used to be able to email their admins to change rdns, but they moved us to some other group when we got bonded T1's, it all got messed up
23:57<irgeek>I'd scream and yell at your account manager until they fix that.
23:57<tjfontaine>oooh google apps changed their pricing structure
23:58<irgeek>If you've got a bonded T1 you are worth a lot to them
23:58<iggy>tell me about it
23:58<iggy>we can get a 20/20 microwave link to a tower about 4 miles away for less $
23:58<path->whats bonded?
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23:59<irgeek>I had a satellite provider who was desperate to get me to sign a contract and I kept telling them to piss off until they put rDNS in.
23:59<iggy>we have 3mbit in /out
23:59<iggy>it's just 2 T1s
23:59<irgeek>path-: 2 T1s that act like a single link.
23:59<path->like failover or trunked?
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