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---Logopened Fri May 23 00:00:03 2008
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00:26<hojuruku>humm, it's not sshd because su is failing as well. somethings gone wrong with pam
00:33<irgeek>hojuruku: Is there anything in /etc/pam.d?
00:33<hojuruku>yeah just regular gentoo configuration
00:34<hojuruku>auth required
00:34<hojuruku>auth required
00:34<hojuruku>auth include system-auth
00:34<hojuruku>auth required
00:34<irgeek>Whoa. Stop doing that.
00:34<Internat>*cough* paste bin
00:34<hojuruku>ah ok.. but it's basically normal
00:34<hojuruku>that's why i didn't bother with the past bine
00:35<irgeek>If you want to show us files use
00:35<hojuruku>i'm going to read up on how to turn on pam debugging
00:35<hojuruku>it was fine the other day, don't know what i did. no big merges, but there was a conf-update
00:36<irgeek>Yeah. Gentoo is an awesome server distribution. ;)
00:37<hojuruku>it has it's moments
00:38<Battousai>etc-update -9!
00:38<hojuruku>i automatically install from svn openh323 h323plus and all tools from custom ebuilds
00:38<irgeek>The third or fourth time I said "WTF did Gentoo do to my server now?" I switched to Ubuntu.
00:38<Internat>ewww ubuntu
00:38<Battousai>i've never had trouble with configuration changes
00:38<hojuruku>yeah it got one of my config files i laboured over for a week. a really big one :P
00:38<hojuruku>conf-update and xxdiff isnt' so bad
00:38<Battousai>it was always the damn merging that got to me
00:39<Battousai>i think i'm not patient enough for it on a server
00:39<hojuruku>it's config file management is shit, sabayon is nice, i modified my gentoo to take entropy when im lazy for stuff that isn't important like xwindows etc
00:39<Battousai>plus they didn't have the tinderbox back then
00:39<hojuruku>debian is my other cup of tea, ... but i like gentoo for what im doing, bleeding edge stuff
00:40<irgeek>My favorite was the day Gentoo decided I needed to do a major revision jump on PHP and broke my web mail. Since it was mixed in with it's 850 dependencies when Gentoo showed me what would be upgraded, I didn't notice it was a major revision jump. That sucked.
00:41<Battousai>lol, and the use flags for php
00:41<Battousai>my god
00:41<bob2>gentoo php screwup shocker!
00:41<Battousai>it's bad when you emerge -av and php takes up half the screen
00:42<hojuruku>apache upgrade was fun
00:42<hojuruku>hey caker, what do you use for your web terminal? anyterm? ajaxterm?
00:42<Battousai>looks like ajaxterm
00:43<bd_>Dear gentooPHP: There's this wonderful invention called 'runtime library loading' that you may wish to investigate.
00:43<irgeek>Bleeding edge often mean broken edge - but if you need bleeding edge or you're a developer, Gentoo works well enough.
00:43<bd_> things like this make me wary of gentoo :|
00:44<Battousai>i'm not a ricer
00:44<Battousai>i have a 95 ford taurus
00:44<Battousai>the unricest car ever
00:44<bd_>read the article :P
00:44<Battousai>i'm sure i already have
00:44<Eman>my brother has a ricer :/
00:45<Battousai>rip the 2-foot spoiler off of it
00:45<Eman>hes like "i dont want a ricer" then he puts a huge exhaust on it
00:47<hojuruku>..... i just want to login via ssh again.. is that to much to ask... there must be some way of debugging pam.. (doing homework)
00:48<bob2>enable pam_debug
00:48<bob2>but superlolz if gentoo broke pam
00:48<bob2>(ie man pam_debug)
00:48<Battousai>just turn pam off for sshd
00:49<Internat>dare i ask what RICER stands for?
00:49<Eman>bling bling
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00:53<irgeek>Looks like Gentoo broke his IRC client too... o_O
00:54<Battousai>web browser
00:54<Peng>Media player!
00:54<irgeek>But that's not funny!
00:54<irgeek>bd_: I love this quote from that page "the Gentoo community does not care so much whether their software works, as long as it gives them that hardcore --fenable-racing-stripes feeling.:
00:55<Battousai>that's just horribly inaccurate
00:55<Battousai>those gcc arguments only take one -
00:56<Battousai>like -funroll-loops
00:56<Battousai>another favorite
01:02<Bdragon>Or -fomit-frame-pointer, aka "Hey look I just screwed myself over when it comes to generating a usable backtrace!"
01:02<irgeek>The other reason I dumped Gentoo was the sheer size of the portage tree. It's got so many small files that on an ext2/3 fs I think it was getting close to 1G.
01:02<Bdragon>(on certain platforms)
01:02<Battousai>plus distfiles
01:03<Battousai>and i have to keep a cvs tree of that around
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01:20<hojuruku>it was pam wheel that was doing it
01:22<bd_>Battousai: CVS?!
01:22<bd_>They're not on $anything_else yet?!
01:28<bob2>haha pam wheel
01:28<bob2>welcome to 1991
01:29<irgeek>Oh and the wheel keeps on turning and turning and turning and turning and turning yeah
01:29<irgeek></vague song reference>
01:34<hojuruku>what do they use for the web shell? anyterm or ajaxterm?
01:34<hojuruku>they being, i've been trying anyterm.
01:34<irgeek>hojuruku: I think it's ajaxterm, but I could be wrong.
01:35<irgeek>I don't really use it myself.
01:46<jetlag>anybody having trouble with
01:46<bd_>Works For Me (tm)
01:47<jetlag>of course it works now
01:50<jetlag>brief network blockage
02:03<irgeek>I really, really want to use a different IMAP server than cyrus--mostly because I hate the management interface to cyrus--but there aren't many program for migrating from cyrus mailboxes to other mailbox formats.
02:06<hojuruku>anyone make a ebuild for linode sources? im making one now
02:07<irgeek>My best option may be to slog through the cyrus sources and hack up a program to do the migration myself. This prospect does not make me happy.
02:10<bob2>offlineimap/imapcopy might be simpler
02:10<bob2>there's a valuable lesson in here about crazy non-standard formats ;p
02:13<irgeek>The only issues is that, as far as I can tell, the IMAP -> IMAP copies don't preserve UID which mean many program which to offline caching want to redownload all the mail. I have a 600MB mailbox and the thought of downloading it all doesn't make me happy.
02:13<sveiss>irgeek: has some scripts, perhaps you can adapt them for your needs?
02:13<irgeek>And yes, it's crazy and non-standard, but I have to admit it's blazing fast.
02:13<erikh>you're not going to get that no matter how you do it
02:14<erikh>UID's are assigned by the IMAPd
02:14<erikh>according to spec
02:14<erikh>if they end up in a maildir file or mbox is by luck
02:14<irgeek>erikh: And must therefore be tricked into assigning them correctly.
02:14<erikh>how? by creating semaphore messages to fill the gaps and then deleting them?
02:15<erikh>what if your imapd packs UIDs?
02:15<irgeek>By writing raw Maildirs so that the new IMAPd finds the correct UIDs.
02:15<sveiss>dovecot will assign UIDs in its own format, but read existing ones from the Maildir... worked for my migrations
02:22<Peng> <-- Look, an online SSH key generator. How secure!
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02:24<bd_>It is your responsibility to secure your new key pair in transit. <-- haha, touche
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02:28<irgeek>mt-antero ~ $ file ccc-beta0.4.2-x86_64-bin.tar.bz2
02:28<irgeek>ccc-beta0.4.2-x86_64-bin.tar.bz2: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Mon Oct 9 15:22:09 2006
02:28<Peng>I love how the site asks you to enter your name, company, and domain name or IP, so it knows exactly where the key will be used.
02:28<irgeek>Who uses gzip compression then adds a bz2 extension?
02:29<straterra>an idiot
02:29<straterra>prolly some new ubuntu user :P
02:30<Peng>What about using lzma and naming it .7z? ;)
02:30<irgeek>Peng: That's just freaky. I've heard there are now a few certificate issuers who will happily generate keys for you and mail them to you with the signed certificate.
02:30*encode generates some sshkeys for Peng
02:30<bd_>Peng: I wouldn't be surprised if 7z managed to silently probe the filetype :)
02:30<bd_>I mean, 7za's sort of the swiss army chainsaw of archive tools
02:31<Peng>bd_: I doubt 7z has the ability to extract lzma files, and it would sure confuse people.
02:31<bd_>Let's find out!
02:31<straterra> lzma
02:32<Peng>straterra: Yes, exactly.
02:32<straterra>I'm fracking confused
02:32<bd_>Processing archive: test.7z
02:32<bd_>Error: Can not open file as archive
02:32<bd_>oh oops
02:32<Peng>straterra: There's a different program called lzma-utils that creates .lzma files. It may use the same algorithm, but I'm pretty sure the file format is incompatible.
02:32<Peng>(And, in fact, the next major version of lzma-utils is gonna introduce a new file format!)
02:33<bd_>It seems it doesn't understand .lzma files
02:33<bd_>(named as .7z)
02:33<straterra>thats a pain in the ass
02:33<Battousai>doesn't 7z also use bzip2 black magic?
02:33<bd_>It does, however, understand .zip files named as .7z
02:34<bd_>Battousai: 7z has plugins for a half dozen archives and codecs
02:34<Battousai>i don't mean plugins
02:34<Battousai>i mean native 7z archive compression support
02:34<bd_>its native format supports multiple codecs, including lzma (default?), gzip, bzip2, PPMd...
02:34<bd_>including heterogeneous archives
02:35<Battousai>big word
02:35<straterra>i am not a heterogenous! who told you that?! I love women!!
02:36<bob2>rzip 4 lyf
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02:52<maggot>anyone there
02:53<irgeek>Some people are around.
02:53<maggot>siupport or admin
02:53<maggot>i got my apache config settings now
02:53<maggot>sorry i was sick
02:54<maggot>so can I paste it here
02:54<irgeek>No. You can paste it in the pastebin
02:56<maggot>pasting now
02:56<irgeek>I'm on the edge of my seat
02:58<maggot>i got to go now
02:58<maggot>i will be expecting reply soon
02:58<maggot>thanks to u guys
02:58<mpo>hi, does anyone else have issues with their host not always responding from everywhere, i have a host in the atlanta data suit and i can access it from some locations and not others
02:59<irgeek>maggot: Don't expect anything. A) We don't work for Linode. B) Even if we did, Linode does not provide service for your Linode. It is your responsibility. We've explained that to you before.
03:00<irgeek>WTF is that?
03:00<maggot>thank you
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03:00<bob2>he/she must be trolling by now
03:01<irgeek>You're fucking kidding me. He's getting dumber.
03:03<irgeek>mpo: My Linode there seems to do alright, but it only gets accessed from a couple of places.
03:04<mpo>hm, ok. I have been noticing issues for a while. I use it as my monitoring server to monitor my other colo sites, and it keeps fireing off warnings, it has been rebooted by the looks of it as well, so i am not sure it is now a reliable server to run my tests from
03:06<irgeek>mpo: The Atlanta NAP was hit by lightning a few nights back and it tripped the main breaker. Because of the lightning they couldn't switch on the backup gensets so most of the servers there lost power.
03:07<mpo>arh ok thanks,
03:10<irgeek>bob2: You may be right. That line noise pastebinned doesn't even include NameVirtualHost
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03:13<irgeek>Definitely time for a /ignore though
03:15<irgeek>Maybe caker and the gang will let us vote him off the island.
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03:45<Battousai>holy hell
03:49<irgeek>No way!
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04:34<xiownthis>hi all
04:34<xiownthis>are linodes down?
04:34<xiownthis>iget this on my stie
04:34<xiownthis>Site is down for maintenance, please check back again later... thanks
04:37<mpo>xiownthis: i have the same problem are you in atlantia?
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04:38<xiownthis>omg,. even if i turn off my vps, that page still appears...
04:38<@jadoba>xiownthis: what domain?
04:38<xiownthis>but u wont be able to access it
04:38<xiownthis>i have all non portuguese ips blocked..
04:39<@jadoba>i can dig it though
04:39<avongauss>I don't believe Linode is giving you that message.
04:39<xiownthis>with my vps off, shouldnt the page be like, couldnt find page error?
04:40<avongauss>fwiw - I can access - I get a directory listing.
04:40<@jadoba>xiownthis: that domain seems to point to a non-linode ip address
04:40<xiownthis>my site is in Home
04:40<xiownthis>what u mean non lindoe? thats where i have it lol
04:40<@jadoba>ok... bye
04:40<StevenK>So then how is Linode causing the problem?
04:41<@jadoba>do this:
04:41<xiownthis>maybe the reverse dns it messed up?
04:41<Peng>Reverse DNS is not relevant.
04:41<Peng>I get an index page too.
04:41<@jadoba>then do this with the ip it gives:
04:42<Peng>I get
04:42<xiownthis>thats my linode ip
04:42<xiownthis>the 69..
04:43<Peng>Huh, whois says it's owned by LiquidWeb.
04:43<xiownthis>o wait
04:43<xiownthis>my linode ip also starts by 69, sorry, got confused
04:43<xiownthis>its not that one no
04:44<avongauss>are you in the middle of changing from a prior provider to Linode?
04:44<xiownthis>i see now
04:44<xiownthis>that 69.16..
04:44<avongauss>it's definitely liquidweb (whoever they are) and the server appears to be near Chicago, IL USA
04:45<xiownthis>its from the reverse dns
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04:45<Battousai>it's from the forward dns
04:45<xiownthis>or that yea
04:45<Battousai> has address
04:45<xiownthis>so i have my linode ip as
04:45<xiownthis>but its not working now
04:45<xiownthis>that ip is where i had bought the domain
04:46<xiownthis>and had my first server, over a year ago
04:46<xiownthis>y is it poiting to there now?
04:46<xiownthis>and what should i do?
04:46<Peng>You should update your DNS, or if you already have, wait for it to propagate?
04:46<@jadoba>xiownthis: go into your domain registrar's control panel or configuration process and point the DNS servers to something manageable
04:47<@jadoba>Name Server:NS1.PTSERVIDOR.NET
04:47<@jadoba>Name Server:NS2.PTSERVIDOR.NET
04:47<xiownthis>in linode?
04:47<@jadoba>^^^ what it is currently
04:47<xiownthis>yea ik, thats where i had my server and made the domain
04:48<xiownthis>and i asked the owner to point to my linode server and he did that
04:48<@jadoba>if you want, you can point the domain to linode's DNS servers and use the dashboard DNS manager to set everything up proper
04:48<@jadoba>how long ago did you tell the owner to do that?
04:48<xiownthis>over a year
04:48<@jadoba>it didnt happen
04:48<xiownthis>ok, so how do i do that then?
04:49<@jadoba>Expiration Date:23-May-2008 18:30:42 UTC
04:49<@jadoba>i'd be more worried about the domain expiring
04:49<xiownthis>ok, gotta talk to them again lol
04:49<@jadoba>yes, you do
04:50<xiownthis>ok, will c this first.. thanks, but how do i do that in the linode dns page?
04:50<@jadoba>your domain expires in 10 hours
04:51<@jadoba>i suggest you tackle that immediately and then come back and worry about dns
04:51<@jadoba>DNS is super simple
04:52<xiownthis>ill be back later then :p
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04:53<Nigel>argh I think my desktop is doing a rendition of the "I like big butts" song, although it'd appear the wording is something to the effect of "I like big segfaults"
04:53<@jadoba>computers can't lie
04:54<@jadoba>other devices can't deny
04:54<StevenK>When I see a process with an itty-bitty ELF table, I get sprung ...
04:54<Nigel>memtest86 just hit the 700 errors mark
04:54<@jadoba>bad ram
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04:55<Nigel>oh and it's still on pass1 (65%)
04:56<Nigel>jadoba: thats my thinking at the moment, but Vista still runs perfect on the machine and it's two seperate batches of RAM (two different manufactures)
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04:56<Battousai>bad ram suits a bad OS
04:56<Battousai>maybe they cancel each other out
04:57<Nigel>so either MS has a brilliant way of preventing bad ram from stuffing you up, so it's hardware
04:58<StevenK>I doubt it's the former, personally.
04:58<Battousai>well i was thinking... vista is so flawed on normal ram that maybe bad ram makes it stable
04:58<@jadoba>vista probably just doesn't use all the ram
04:59<Battousai>like drunk people being better at bowling or something
04:59<@jadoba>and as far as vista running perfect, i'm skeptical
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05:00<Nigel>I use the RAM on the machine quite often (hence the 2nd lot) too much virtualising
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05:27<irgeek>I'm about ready to say to hell with it and tell people to call me instead of emailing. Administering mail servers is a pain in my ass.
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05:29<xiownthis>back :)
05:29<xiownthis>ok, so the other admin, is taking care of re-buying the domain at this moment..
05:29<SNy>[11:00] < Battousai> | like drunk people being better at bowling or something
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05:29<Supraz>hey guys
05:30<xiownthis>so, back to that dns thing, how can i do that?
05:30<Supraz>I'm about to buy 540 VPs, but its only available in fremont
05:30<Supraz>I'm interested to order it in dallas data center
05:30<Supraz>when can I expect this plan available there?
05:30<SNy>Battousai: There's a quote of mine regarding a colleague.
05:31<SNy>"Two beer are the difference between brute and accurate force."
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05:35<irgeek>xiownthis: Log into the Linode Manager and click the DNS manager link at the top.
05:36<irgeek>You can set your domain up with whatever entries you want, then have your registrar point change you name server records the &
05:36<xiownthis>on domain zone, i alread have
05:36<xiownthis>but it still doesnt point to my linode..
05:36<xiownthis>it still points to my old host..
05:38<irgeek>Right, so you need to set up entries in the DNS Manager then point the nameservers here.
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05:39<irgeek>Interestingly enough, your current host allows zone transfers so you can use the "Import a zone" feature as a starting point.
05:40<xiownthis>hmm, i did that, and it says that already exists on the database..
05:40<irgeek>Did you already add it?
05:40<xiownthis>yea, like o said b4..
05:41<irgeek>Are there any entries in it?
05:41<xiownthis>in NS Records, i got
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05:41<xiownthis>and the rest is empty at the bottom..
05:41<irgeek>Those are always there. You didn't add anything else?
05:42<xiownthis>hmm, no, cuz idk what to do lol
05:42<irgeek>The you can remove the domain and import it from your current host
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05:42<irgeek>You can't import a domain that's already defined.
05:44<irgeek>Do you have you Linode set up for all of the services? Right now you have mail, ftp, http and irc set up.
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05:44<xiownthis>ok, imported it, should it redirect now, or do i have to wait?
05:44<irgeek>You need to have your registrar redirect DNS to and
05:45<xiownthis>ahhh ok
05:45<xiownthis>so i need to do that
05:46<irgeek>Yes. It will take about 15 minutes for what you imported to hit Linode's servers. Once you change DNS with the registrar it may take a day or two for the rest of the Internet to find the change.
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05:48<irgeek>Well, I'm off to bed now like I should have done several hours ago. Night all!
05:48<Peng>Good night. :)
05:50<Peng>Yay, my Tor-restarting cronjob works.
05:52<xiownthis>k good night
05:52<xiownthis>and thanks for the help
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06:00<Peng>Oh my god! My calendar is still on April! I keep forgetting.
06:00<Peng>Poor May penguins. I'll barely get to see them. :(
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06:01<@jadoba>SpaceHobo: thanks?
06:01<StevenK>SpaceHobo is "helping"
06:02<Peng>It's a cute Rockhopper and a Galapagos penguin too.
06:03<encode>SpaceHobo: oh wow, I always wanted to know what dates were for the month preceeding the current one
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06:04<Peng> :)
06:05<Peng>Also , but they flipped the image!
06:05<Peng>Um, anyway, back on topic...
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07:54<mwalling>wow.. all turkey
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07:55<@jadoba>I don't like turkey!
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07:56<Peng>Why does #linode get targeted so much?
07:56<Isvara>They're jealous of the cool kids.
07:57<mwalling>07:56 [*] Irssi: #linode: Total of 160 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 156 normal]
07:57<mwalling>^^that why?
07:57<Isvara>156 normal? Sounds like an over-estimate.
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07:58<HoopyCat>lameness(turkey.firstdayonirc) > lameness(aol.firstdayonirc)
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08:02<Peng>The size of the channel could be it. I'm not in any other large channels so I can't tell.
08:03<HoopyCat>bad news, the clonebots are getting thicker. and linode's getting larrrrggeeerrrrr.
08:05<mwalling>HoopyCat: thicker skulled?
08:06*mwalling wonders how big the botnet would get on freeload before someone cared
08:07<Peng>I'm not sure I've ever seen bots on Freenode.
08:07<mwalling>must be hiding in the corner
08:07<Peng>They're more frequently a problem on a certain smaller network, where opers aren't around 24/7.
08:07<HoopyCat>my home channel there kinda hangs out in plain sight. noone ever sees it.
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08:10<HoopyCat>last time we got anything, rob personally akill'd the bots. that's how long it's been...
08:11<straterra>zomg freenode pwns oftc
08:11*straterra ducks
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08:15<Supraz>I just got my vps and
08:15<Supraz>You have allocated 100% of storage towards disk images
08:15<Supraz>is that correctly or should I left a little space
08:15<Dave>what do you want extra space for?
08:15<straterra>if you want to use it all..thats fine
08:16<Dave>if its not allocated you cant use it
08:16<Peng>Xen or UML?
08:16<Supraz>oh, okay
08:16*StevenK has 2GB unallocated. Shrug.
08:16<straterra>do you normally like to use all of your disk on real machines?
08:16<Peng>If it's Xen, Finnix doesn't work yet, it would be a good idea to keep a few hundred MB around to install a minimal distro on in case of emergencies.
08:16<HoopyCat>Supraz: it's a personal choice, much like cock vs. pepsi, emacs vs. vi, apache vs. lighttpd...
08:16<Peng>yet, so it*
08:16<Supraz>I was just curious if it didnt alocate whole space for some images :D
08:16<straterra>cock vs pepsi? o.O
08:16<HoopyCat>Peng: it works now, actually :-)
08:16<StevenK>Finnix doesn't boot on Xen VPSs?
08:17<pleia2>HoopyCat: *snort*
08:17<Dave>HoopyCat: cock vs pepsi?
08:17<Peng>HoopyCat: It does? Awesome.
08:17<HoopyCat>oh hell, i need more coffee.
08:17<straterra>i..didnt think that was a choice I had to make
08:17<Isvara>HoopyCat: Or less cock.
08:17<HoopyCat>i'm... going to go over there --->
08:18<Zotnix>I'm trying to get my website to redirect from ->
08:18<Zotnix>The redirect examples online don't work. Since the wiki already does ->
08:21<@tasaro>Peng: finnix is fixed and works under both Xen and UML
08:21<Peng>tasaro: Awesome. :)
08:22<Peng>tasaro: What was the problem? Was it something you had to fix or Finnix had to?
08:22<Supraz>I have to install apache and things?
08:22<Supraz>or its preinstalled
08:22<@tasaro>it was on our end
08:22<mwalling>Supraz: if you want apache, yes
08:22<Peng>Supraz: The images are pretty minimal.
08:22<Dave>Supraz: its a virgin install, you have to install everything you want
08:22<mwalling>Supraz: some people might want lighthttpd, etc, so its left minimal, and to the customer's descretion
08:22<Peng>tasaro: Oh. Well, good job. :)
08:23<Supraz>okay ;)
08:23<Peng>mwalling: I wanted Upstart instead of SysV init, and they didn't leave that to my discretion. :(
08:23<@tasaro>some like to leave disk space unallocated for making duplicates of their disk images, messing around with other distros, or just to keep them small in case they want to migrate to a different dc
08:24<mwalling>Supraz: debuntu have meta packages or tasks or what ever they're called for sample stacks, or you could do it like a man and install slackware :)
08:24<Supraz>I'm kinda newbie with unix/linux systems, but google is my friend :D
08:24<Supraz>I'm on debian atm
08:24<mwalling>irgeek: your first victim!
08:24<Isvara>Hammering nails through your eyes probably makes you a man, but it's still not advisable.
08:25<StevenK>Real men don't use a hammer for that.
08:25<Isvara>You can hammer with non-hammers!
08:26<mwalling>first you need to install the hammer's dependancies
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08:32<Supraz>what do I need to connect to vps via ftp client?
08:32<StevenK>Install an FTP server and configure it.
08:33<Supraz>which one can you recommend for beginner?
08:34<Peng>Supraz: I recommend using SFTP.
08:37<mwalling>Supraz: ssh has a built in "ftp" thinger... much more secure in alot of peoples opinion
08:38<mwalling>i still run an ftpd, but it has read only access (for mirroring slackware(
08:38<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
08:38<bob2>people still mirror slackware???
08:38<mwalling>bob2: yes. dont you?
08:38<mwalling>all the cool people are
08:39*bob2 only mirrors debian and ubuntu
08:39<Peng>Doesn't mirroring distros require, like, disk space?
08:40<mwalling>mwalling@you /home/ftp$ du -sh slackware
08:40<mwalling>4.2G slackware
08:41<bob2>(not at linode)
08:41<bob2>look how much space not using pam saves!
08:41<StevenK>Slackware doesn't use PAM?
08:41<mwalling>you mean SCAM anyway
08:42<StevenK>No, as in 'no, we have no banans' ?
08:42<StevenK>(As opposed to 'yes, we have no bananas')
08:43<Isvara>Slackware not using PAM was exactly the reason I got angry and banished it.
08:43<bob2>slack has zero bananas
08:43<Isvara>Straw. Donkey. Back. Etc.
08:43<mwalling>Isvara: wtf is so good about pam?
08:43*StevenK has never used Slackware.
08:44<Isvara>mwalling: In this case, authentication against a Novell eDirectory.
08:44<mwalling>Isvara: plus, if you want it that bad, its installable, just not from pat
08:44<StevenK>Since Patrick Volderking has this idea of packaging systems that I don't agree with.
08:44<bob2>I think I used it to bootstrap SLS once!
08:44<Isvara>It's installable, sure, but then I'd have to rebuild SSH and stuff from source.
08:44<mwalling>Isvara: yes, but no
08:44<StevenK>bob2: Exactly. tar is not a packaging system.
08:45*fred wonders what you suggest?
08:45<mwalling>Supraz: alone, no, but as part of pkgtools, how is it not?
08:45<fred>RPM (cpio), deb (ar + tar) ?
08:45<StevenK>fred: Personally? dpkg
08:45<Isvara>In the same way that ar isn't a p... bah.
08:45<fred>so, ar + tar
08:45<mwalling>Supraz: it installs, removes, and upgrades packages... what else is it supposed to do
08:45<fred>how's that better?
08:45*Isvara too slow
08:45<StevenK>Express dependancies
08:45<fred>ar and tar don't have that
08:45<StevenK>.deb does
08:45<straterra>I'd like lzma packages
08:45<mwalling>Supraz: that is not a package manager. thats a dependancy tracker
08:46<StevenK>straterra: Ubuntu Hardy supports them
08:46<mwalling>we've been through this before.
08:46<fred>StevenK: that's completely independent of the compression + archive methods
08:46<straterra>fred, make slamd64 support lzma packages
08:46<StevenK>mwalling: I'm over here
08:46<Isvara>I would have said that "managing" the dependencies between "packages" is package management.
08:46<bob2>is there an amd64 slack release yet?
08:47<straterra>there are a couple of ports
08:47<StevenK>I'd be suprised if there is a DVD Slackware release. :-P
08:47<mwalling>Isvara: i rebuilt ssh with pam in a couple minutes... grab the 4 or 5 files from source/n/openssh, add --with-pam to the ./configure, openssh.SlackBuild, upgradepkg
08:47<fred>StevenK: The "tar" part of slackware packages is like the "ar and tar" part of debs. While I'll admit that debian has some features that slackware doesn't which some people like, "lol tar" is not a good argument.
08:47<mwalling>StevenK: yes. there is. it includes the contents of the 6 cd images
08:48<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
08:48<StevenK>fred: Okay, so from what I understand, a Slackware package is just a .tar.gz of what goes on the filesystem, there is no concept of dependancies or recommends, or hook scripts to have things run on installation of a package
08:48<StevenK>mwalling: I was kidding
08:48<mwalling>StevenK: no, there are hook scripts.
08:48<Isvara>mwalling: Or, I could just use a Real Distribution and not have to do any of that! Yay!
08:48<fred>StevenK: incorrect
08:49<mwalling>Isvara: slackware is a real distribution. mikegrb supports it.
08:49<Isvara>(I hate myself for putting a comma after 'or' :-( )
08:49*Isvara self flagelates
08:50<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
08:50<straterra>I thought debian was at one time forked/based on Slackware
08:50<StevenK>I thought it was forked from SLS
08:50<mwalling>straterra: no
08:50<mwalling>suse was
08:50<straterra>slackware was forked from SLS
08:51<mwalling>not slackware
08:51<straterra>oh, suse
08:51<StevenK>fred: Okay, so I'm wrong. More information as to what I'm wrong about, or I have to guess?
08:52<straterra>Atleast we havent had to put up with Pat introducing security holes into source code :P
08:52<fred>StevenK: extra stuff, include a post install script and a package description goes in install/ in the tar
08:52<Supraz>any of these distros got preinstalled ftp server, www and basic programs?
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08:53<Isvara>I have to give my team a talk on Xen this afternoon. I'm so not looking forward to that.
08:53<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
08:53<mwalling>08:24 < mwalling> Supraz: debuntu have meta packages or tasks or what ever they're called for sample stacks, or you could do it like a man and install slackware :)
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08:53<StevenK>fred: But still no concept of dependancies
08:54<mwalling>dependancies are not part of the package. the package includes meta information to assist a *DEPENDANCY TRACKER* in resolving them
08:54<mwalling>apt(itude) is a *DEPENDANCY TRACKER*
08:55<Isvara>What kind of metadata, other than dependencies, helps a dependency tracker?
08:55<straterra>dependency bugs?
08:55*StevenK chuckles
08:56<bob2>Supraz: like Peng suggested, maybe sftp would be a better option than ftp
08:56<straterra>ive had never circular dependency issues in slack like i do elsewhere
08:56<mwalling>SpaceHobo: you going to disclose you work for/with Canonical ?
08:56*caker arrives through the side hatch
08:56<straterra>please show me the unnecessary deps
08:56<StevenK>mwalling: Since I do too
08:56<bob2>Supraz: if not, probably none of them come with one, but it is quite easy on most distributions to install one: e.g. 'sudo aptitude install vsftpd' on debian or ubuntu
08:56<mwalling>SpaceHobo: what about everyone else in the channel?
08:57*straterra waits
08:57<bob2>spacehobo's old hostname gave it away
08:57<HoopyCat>i'm sure some policy was violated there
08:57<Isvara>I applied to Canonical. They told me I was "too networky", which was utterly bizarre.
08:57<straterra>why? YOU are the one making the claim
08:57<fred>12:54 < SpaceHobo> StevenK: all the slacktrolls in here honestly believe that humans should do the work and software should kick back and take it easy
08:57<straterra>support your claim
08:57<fred>there's /advantages/ but those aren't for any
08:57<fred>*aren't for everyone
08:57<fred>there's also disadvantages
08:58<fred>however, we tend to get pissed off when people use ridiculous arguments
08:58<fred>(eg the one I refer to as "lol tar")
08:58*bob2 is a bit disappointed so many people are finding distro trolling novel
08:58<StevenK>My argument was not "lol tar", but you know what, I don't care enough to argue.
08:59<straterra>SpaceHobo: i expected you to know what packagess if you are to make that claim
08:59<Isvara>I'll come back later.
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09:00<straterra>Yes, i am interested
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09:03<fred> << that may be related
09:03<straterra>so...its compiiled with dbus bindings...whats the big deal?
09:04<straterra>whats that have to do with out of date stuff?
09:04<fred>ah, it's a patched distcc with zeroconf support, that makes sense
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09:07<fred>now *THAT* is a troll from ignorance.
09:08*caker breaks his rusty cage
09:08*straterra lets fred field this one
09:08<HoopyCat>caker is getting laaaaarger
09:09<walbert>hey, i'm hitting some problems with passive ftp on my atlanta linode... every now and then, it seems like the server tries to listen on a filtered port for a passive file transfer. Is 6667 the only port that is filtered, or is it the only -notable- port that is filtered?
09:10<fred>straterra: I really don't see it going anywhere.
09:10<HoopyCat>walbert: there lies a list
09:10<straterra>apology? head up your arse much?
09:11<Peng>SpaceHobo and StevenK work for Canonical? Are they the new Google?
09:13<walbert>sweet merciful crap
09:15<Peng>SpaceHobo: Wait, so can you steal Launchpad's source code?
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10:00<coreyo>do you get a static IP address with your linode account?
10:01<coreyo>okay, once I have an account, how do I find that address? My current linode has not network interfaces
10:01<walbert>coreyo: do you have a distro installed yet?
10:02<coreyo>yes, I'm lish'd into it right now
10:02<mwalling>coreyo: on the networking tab of the dashboard
10:02<walbert>coreyo: what does /sbin/ifconfig tell you about eth0's inet addr?
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10:03<@caker>coreyo: not sure what happened there, but your account was created without an IP. I've just added one. Reboot and you should get it
10:03<coreyo>mwalling: there is nothing but the local interface that I accidentally added in my network tab
10:03<mwalling>coreyo: what caker said
10:03<coreyo>caker: ahh, so it was b0rked :)
10:03<mwalling>and a local interface is != to accident
10:03<mwalling>if you have friends, its fun to have
10:03<Kassah>caker: I think it was you who mentioned you could find out if your server was a Xen one via uname -a... what does this tell you 'Linux porty.**** #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:45:54 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux'
10:04<@caker>Kassah: it wasn't me, but that
10:04<coreyo>caker: thanks!
10:04<@caker>Kassah: it wasn't me, but that's Xen. A better method would be to cat /proc/cpuinfo
10:04<@caker>Kassah: if it says User Mode Linux it's UML :)
10:04<coreyo>oh ... while I'm here. I accidentally added a local interface. Any way to undo that?
10:04<@caker>coreyo: ticket, or leave it
10:05<Peng>Kassah: If it says "domU" in the kernel there it's Xen.
10:05<Peng>Kassah: As it does.
10:05<@caker>Peng: not all of them have domU in the uname
10:05<Kassah>coool =)
10:05<mwalling>Peng: new kernels dont have that
10:05<Peng>caker: Oh.
10:06<walbert>Hrm, I'm still having problems with proftpd on the atlanta node... it should only be bind()ing to ports between 40000 and 41000 on passive ftp requests, but it seems like (regardless of client), the client times out when trying to upload (or retrieve) a long list of files, single and huge files are transferring wonderfully. Any ideas?
10:06<bob2>walbert: did you setup some sort of firewall on your linode?
10:06<walbert>bob2: nope
10:07<Peng>Why not use SFTP?
10:07<bob2>walbert: pastebin 'sudo iptables -L -v -n'
10:07<bob2>or double check it yourself
10:07<walbert>bob2: no netfilter chains
10:07<bob2>well, just the default 3
10:07<walbert>no sftp because i can't even get normal ftp to work in passive mode
10:08<bob2>sftp is far easier to do than ftp
10:08<walbert>also, trying to support one guy in engineering who likes to upload his cad drawings with frontpage 98's interface
10:08<bob2>what does 'sudo netstat -plnt | grep yoursftpd' say while a transfer isn't working
10:08<mwalling>sftp is ontop of ssh is it not?
10:08<bob2>mwalling: yes
10:09<bob2>so just tcp/22
10:09<mwalling>so the ssl ftp is ftps, right?
10:09<bob2>I think they usually cll it ftp-ssl
10:09<walbert>bob2: that's a tough call
10:09<walbert>bob2: let me see
10:10<walbert>bob2: on the last attempt, it timed out on a "CWD /" command, going by the log file
10:10<walbert>so it's probably safe to assume that only the socket into port 21 was there
10:10<bob2>I don't that CWD involves a data connection
10:11<darkbeholder>caker are there any xen 540's in dallas? I was going to do some upgrades this weekend and figured i should probably move at the same time
10:11<walbert>it doesn't
10:11<linbot>bob2: Linode360 - 14, Linode540 - 26, Linode720 - 15, Linode1080 - 12, Linode1440 - 8, Linode2880 - 4
10:11<linbot>mwalling: Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
10:11<linbot>Fremont360 - 13, Fremont540 - 26, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 12, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 4 , Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
10:11<walbert>the LIST command that would probably follow the CWD command would use a socket
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10:11<darkbeholder>ty for the link caker
10:11<bob2>why does linbot /msg you to say a command is invalid right after it processes it, anyway
10:11<mwalling>its a hack
10:12<bob2>walbert: maybe time to break out tcpdump
10:13<walbert>thanks :)
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10:15<HoopyCat>bob2: !avail-all isn't a valid linbot command. there's a second bot hidden behind the grassy knoll.
10:15<HoopyCat>but perhaps i've said too much
10:16<bob2>poor linboswaldt
10:16<linbot>SpaceHobo: Linode360 - 14, Linode540 - 26, Linode720 - 15, Linode1080 - 12, Linode1440 - 8, Linode2880 - 4
10:16<Eleo>how come i didn't have the option of placing my linode in GA
10:16<linbot>SpaceHobo: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
10:17<linbot>SpaceHobo: Fremont360 - 13, Fremont540 - 26, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 12, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 4
10:17<linbot>SpaceHobo: Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
10:17<path->eleo, you can put in a ticket to relocate once something frees up
10:18<mwalling>anyone ever worked with them?
10:19<coreyo>caker: did a reboot, still not seeing a public interface in my VM or in the network panel. Is there something else that I need to do?
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10:28<Pinky8>Can we run NuOnce BlueQuartz ( as OS / App on Linode?
10:28<iggy>Pinky8: as long as it runs on linux
10:29<bob2>you can only run linux, currently
10:29*HoopyCat smacks forehead
10:29<Pinky8>NuOnce BlueQuartz runs on CentOS v4.5 with some Cobalt Code
10:29<iggy>aren't cobalts sparc?
10:29<HoopyCat>when $vendor for $oldplaceofwork installed a VoIP->PRI gateway[1], they forgot to save the config. this was, oh, two? three years ago?
10:30<StevenK>I thought they were MIPS
10:30<iggy>either way
10:30<iggy>not going to run on a linode
10:30<HoopyCat>[1] this feeds $oldplaceofwork's PRI->VoIP gateway, of course.
10:31<Pinky8>cobalt code ported to linux -
10:31<HoopyCat>welp, $opow's gateway gets rebooted, zaptel gets spooked, and so they reboot $vendor's gateway on the off chance that it needs a reboot....
10:31<bob2>raqs were mips then amd
10:33<Pinky8>anyone running gnugk H323 Gatekeeper or Asterisk (TrixBox / Elastix) on a linode?
10:33<bob2>if you want centos, that's one of the default options available
10:33<iggy>Pinky8: as long s it can run on CentOS4.0 or CentOS5.0 and i386 or x86_64, you should be okay
10:33<iggy>Pinky8: there are people running asterisk at least
10:33<iggy>don't know about the other
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10:34<HoopyCat>Pinky8: i'm running asterisk, but not h323. i've got standards ;-)
10:34<Pinky8>The NuOnce BlueQuartz is a composite ISO with both CentOS 4.5 and the BlueQuartz Application (for Cobalt RAQ functionality). It is a simple boot off ISO, answer 4 or 5 text prompts and reboot - to get it running.
10:35<iggy>Pinky8: you could always try it, there's a 5 day (I think) money back deal
10:35<Pinky8>Another Cobalt likE ISO is SMEServer v7.3 from
10:36<Pinky8>Is there a test playground where all servers get washed away every 6 hours or so?
10:36*coreyo pokes caker
10:36<coreyo>do I need to file a ticket?
10:36<@caker>coreyo: one sec
10:37<Pinky8>On a blank linode how does one start to install from an ISO located elsewhere oN the web - caN IT be FTPed into the linode environment and then be used as a virtual CDROM drive for instaling the OS?
10:37<path->when you boot from iso, does it install to disk.. or just keep running like a demo?
10:38<path->you could boot finnix and then scp your iso to a disk volume i think
10:38<path->i never tried it
10:38<Pinky8>boot from iso to install on the hard disk and then remove the iso and boot from the hard disk
10:38<path->i would do that locally in a virtual machine
10:39<path->and then after it's setup, copy the virtual machine files to linode
10:39<@caker>coreyo: give it another reboot, please (you should see the IP now on the Network page)
10:39<mwalling>Pinky8: just remember, you can only boot a linode provided kernel
10:40<Pinky8>if we overwrite the linode provided kernel with files from a local virtual machine can we recert back?
10:40<Pinky8>revert back?
10:40<mwalling>the kernel is outside your filesystem
10:40<r3z``>Anyone know how to not preserve directories with tar? i.e. tar -cvf /var/log and just have it all extract instead of including the /var/log paths as well?
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10:41<Pinky8>tar -rcvf?
10:41<anderiv>or `cd /var/log ; tar cvf file.tar.gz .`
10:42<coreyo>caker: ahh excellent! thank you
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10:43<Pinky8>what method to make a linode boot from our virtual server files - aka vnware?
10:43<mwalling>linode uses Xen or UML
10:44<path->your distribution has no kernel packages
10:44<Pinky8>any convertors from vmware?
10:44<path->they have a custom kernel that boots and runs your init scripts
10:44<@caker>Pinky8: no conversion required. You just need to get the contents of the filesystem up to the Linode
10:44<path->my linode was built on vmware and i rsync'd it
10:45<Bdragon>yeah, there's no special prep, you just have to copy the files across and edit /etc/fstab
10:45<Pinky8>my linux virtual server files have been setup on windowsxp
10:45<Pinky8>can these files be rsynched?
10:46<@caker>I don't see why not
10:46<mwalling>the contents of the filesystem, not the vmdk images
10:46<Pinky8>there are vmsd, vmx files
10:46<Pinky8>the vmdk file is seen on windows
10:47<mwalling>you need the *contents* of the file
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10:47<Bdragon>You have to copy the files out of it, there's no way to copy in the raw image... The easiest way is to boot into the virtual machine..
10:47<Bdragon>and then run a copy from inside it
10:47<Pinky8>how to preserve the file permissions?
10:47<mwalling>xen and uml dont know how to use vmware's propritary images
10:47<iggy>rsync -a
10:48<Pinky8>will tar preserve permissions?
10:48<Bdragon>yeah, if you use -p
10:48<mwalling>if you tell it to
10:48<mwalling>man tar
10:48<mwalling>man rsync
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10:50<path->test your perms though
10:50<path->i made an error rsyncing cause i had the same groups on the destination and it changed the files gid numbers
10:50*Bdragon prefers a netcat tarpipe for copying stuff in bulk instead of rsync...
10:50<path->and i didn't realize it until after i was running for awhile
10:51<path->i shoulda done that
10:51<path->does that handle device nodes properly?
10:51<Bdragon>you can tell tar to iirc
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10:53<Bdragon>gnu tar at least
10:55<Bdragon>Hmm, actually I may be wrong
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10:57<zeroday>ban Bounge, hes (trying but failing) at sending me his email address
10:57<zeroday>* [Bounge] #sex #linode #debian @#klavye
10:57<cruxeternus>Looks like more of the same spam bots.
10:57<cruxeternus>tjfontaine: ping ^^
10:58<tjfontaine>I know
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10:58<cruxeternus>Thank you Mr. Server Administrator.
10:58<Bdragon>Waiting for the right time to pull the trigger? :D
10:58<Bdragon>Maximum bird:stone ratio
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10:59<cruxeternus>He's probably looking for bot-friends.
10:59<cruxeternus>like uyvwrvb
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10:59*cruxeternus applauds.
11:00<tjfontaine>services died in the middle of enforcement, tis all
11:00<StevenK>It got overzealous in killing bots and killed itself
11:00<Bdragon>I don't get why people would even bother trying to set up a botnet on oftc... You'd think they'd use, ya know, a non-topical network where it isn't so bleedin obvious...
11:01<HoopyCat>services has been busy today. perhaps it needs to kick back and put its feet up on the ottoman empire.
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11:01<cruxeternus>Or maybe the botnet is adapting and learning how to foil its opponent!
11:01<Bdragon>FloodServ: "Fooled joo!"
11:02<cruxeternus>Bdragon: Maybe that make oftc the perfect place to test tactics.
11:02<Bdragon>I suppose
11:02<bob2>irc itself is pretty non-mainstream, anyway
11:03<Bdragon>Well, it's mainstream in the computer geek segment of the population
11:03<Bdragon>But on the whole, yeah
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11:08<coreyo>hmm... now that I have a network interface with a public IP, my routing seems to be hosed. It's currently using DHCP to grab it's eth0 information. Everything in ifconfig looks normal. All of the DNS servers are there in /etc/resolv.conf . However, I am unable to resolve any domains, or ssh to another machine using an IP address (no route to host).
11:08<Bdragon>sounds like your default route is set wrong..
11:09<bob2>what os?
11:09<coreyo>ubuntu 8.04
11:09<@caker>coreyo: the output of ifconfig and route -n, please
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11:11<@caker>route -n ?
11:11<coreyo>... and you guys have your own pastebin ... the linode team appears to rock pretty hard
11:11<coreyo>ahh, sorry
11:12<@caker>can you ping ?
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11:12<coreyo>Destination Host Unreachable
11:12<@caker>one moment
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11:13<Bdragon>here we go again...
11:13-!-mode/#linode [+i] by tjfontaine
11:13<mwalling>tjfontaine: you're slacking!
11:13<cruxeternus>FloodServ died again.
11:14<@caker>it can't handle the #linode
11:14<@mikegrb>too much sexy all in one place
11:14<Bdragon>There's an oftc server in croatia?
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11:14<cruxeternus>I'm telling you... they're testing methods to circumvent services.
11:14<heidi>why do i keep getting messaged from these things
11:14<cruxeternus>Spam bot functions.
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11:14<mwalling>because they're spambots and they want your babies
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11:14<azaghal>Bots? o.O
11:15<heidi>i guess
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11:15<scott>we're on it
11:16-!-mode/#linode [-i] by tjfontaine
11:16<HoopyCat>would set autolimit help with this?
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11:17<@caker>coreyo: well .. something's up with that IP. We think it may be a stale null route upstream. I'm going to assign you a new IP .. one sec
11:17<cruxeternus>If they can figure out why services keeps dying, that won't be necessary.
11:18<@mikegrb>autolimit is from services
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11:20<Bdragon>I don't think services is so much dying as getting split off...
11:20<cruxeternus>Same effective difference. :)
11:20<coreyo>caker: 10 minutes and I broke the node! :)
11:21<cruxeternus>coreyo: You're not a trouble-maker are you!
11:21<tjfontaine>Bdragon: it just appears that way
11:21*cruxeternus eyes coreyo suspiciously.
11:21<@tasaro>coreyo: one sec -- i think we may have null routed this ip years ago
11:21<HoopyCat>so that's how long a null route lasts! :-)
11:21<Bdragon>"It lasts until someone remembers they set it"
11:22<mwalling>null route $ip ... hmmm an email to the cage monkeys
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11:22<HoopyCat>congratulation, coreyo, you are this week's Problem Customer. :-)
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11:22<@tasaro>coreyo: issue a reboot to acquire new ip
11:22<@tasaro>HoopyCat: not.even.close.
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11:22<cruxeternus>that's mwalling, pretty much every week
11:23<coreyo>lol, now I have to change my zone files again
11:23*mwalling thinks of what retarded ticket to send tasaro today
11:23<HoopyCat>tasaro: i mean the linode->customer problem flow, not the customer->linode problem flow ;-) that said, the lightning strike was this week, wasn't it?
11:24<cruxeternus>And the tsunami affecting gnax
11:24<HoopyCat><--- attention span of a caffeinated dung beetle
11:24<@tasaro>i'd have to hand it to the lightning, yeah :)
11:24<Bdragon>And the underpants gnomes infestation of dallas...
11:25<Peng>cruxeternus: Wow. Florida would be fucked if that happened.
11:25<cruxeternus>Peng: Yeah, Hurricanes suck as it is.
11:25<cruxeternus>Oh, I see what you're saying.
11:25<Bdragon>Heh, my satellite dish kept losing lock last night because of the high winds...
11:25<cruxeternus>Mebbe it came from the Great Lakes?
11:26<HoopyCat>high point: 105 meters above sea level
11:26<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: don't joke about that, i'm 30 meters above lake ontario level ;-)
11:26<cruxeternus>Yes, it's true. Florida is one giant sand-bar of a retirement community.
11:27<HoopyCat>i'm within "holy crap" running distance of a hill, though
11:27<avongauss>there are a few of us here that aren't quite at the "retirement" stage of life...
11:27<cruxeternus>avongauss: Aww, come on. Who are you fooling.
11:27<Peng>avongauss: You're a Floridian?
11:28<coreyo>\o/ ... tasaro, caker thanks . I'm pinging now
11:28<cruxeternus>coreyo: Welcome to the Internet.
11:28<coreyo>all these problems and everyone thinks I'm a noob ...
11:28<cruxeternus>nah, you seem to be doing the right things
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11:28<opello>Bdragon: it was pretty windy
11:29<Peng>The Internet, where you're null-routed before you even get here?
11:29<cruxeternus>A noob says, "I can't check my e-mail" when his computer isn't plugged in.
11:29<iggy>we had a client with a cable modem call complaining about his internet not working
11:29<HoopyCat>it's what makes a noobaru a noobaru
11:29<avongauss>cruxeternus: I wish I was retired
11:29<avongauss>peng: at the moment
11:30<iggy>after and hour of troubleshooting we told him to call his cable company
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11:30<iggy>he says: "oh great, first my cable goes out and now this... I'm going to have to call them twise"
11:30<Peng>I swear, half of IRC users are from Florida, Australia or Canada.
11:30<iggy>my boss almost drove over there and hit him
11:30<cruxeternus>iggy: ROFLZ
11:31<Bdragon>Peng: Attacted to the distributed nature of it..
11:31<walbert> <- my proftpd.conf file. Is there anything that would cause anyone to blink twice about this configuration? I'm still having my clients-randomly-time-out-during-file-transfers problem
11:31<Peng>iggy: Hahaha, ouch.
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11:31<HoopyCat>iggy: do you have a phone book handy to find their number? it's dark in here and i can't read very well.
11:31<Bdragon>walbert: *my* guess is the control channel dying
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11:32<walbert>Bdragon: that seems to be exactly what happens. Any idea what would cause it?
11:32<Bdragon>walbert: ftp being busy with the data channel and not bothering to send keepalives over the control channel...
11:33<bob2>what did tcpdump say?
11:33<walbert>bob2: i haven't been able to capture it with tcpdump, it's very intermittent
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11:33<Bdragon>It's a client / firewall problem... The control channel doesn't get any traffic across it for a long time and drops due to inactivity..
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11:33<cruxeternus>muahaha... FloodServ adapts too!
11:33<walbert>Bdragon: would increasing timeouts help?
11:33<Bdragon>nice one XD
11:34<tjfontaine>that's one bug down.
11:34<Bdragon>walbert: At the kernel level, on both ends, yes. Otherwise, use a client that sends periodic idling commands over the control channel while doing transfers..
11:35<walbert>bdragon: the client i'm using does send noops
11:35<cruxeternus>ftp is such a broken protocol :P
11:35<Bdragon>How fast is it dropping?
11:36<walbert>i'm catching a bit of flak for it at the moment, for recommending we move to hosting our site on linode
11:36<cruxeternus>walbert: This config was working ok at previous host?
11:36<walbert>the last host wasn't vps, it was just a normal "web hosting" package on an iis server
11:37<cruxeternus>Ah, ok. So you've moved from Windows/Shared to Linux/VPS... everything is new then. :/
11:37<Bdragon>How soon after the upload starts does it drop?
11:37<walbert>I use a linode for my personal needs, and I've been using linux since the advent of the 2.0.x kernel series, this problem just has me totally stumped ;)
11:38<walbert>Bdragon: its' completely intermittent
11:38<walbert>Bdragon: Earlier i traced part of the problem to passive transfers occuring on ports that atlanta's dc was filtering.
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11:39<Bdragon>OK, so you're in atlanta...
11:39<walbert>that changes everything, eh?
11:39<bob2>blame your isp for messing your tcp windows
11:39<Bdragon>pmtu blackholing?
11:40<walbert>bob2: i get the same problems through an un-nat'd unfiltered t1
11:41<walbert>and needless to say, these problems have been completely specific to this particular configuration on this particular machine
11:41<iggy>walbert: tried adding a second linode in dallas or fremont and test to there?
11:41<iggy>money back gaurantee
11:41<Isvara>Or have someone else try it from their linode.
11:41<Isvara>(No outlay!)
11:42<iggy>I meant TO a linode in one of the other DCs
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11:42<walbert>do they allow transfers of linodes?
11:43<iggy>your IP changes though
11:43<Peng>Write a support ticket. And your IP--yeah.
11:43<bob2>(if/when there is spare capacity)
11:43<Bdragon>Your IP(s) will change though
11:43<mwalling>someone hit avail-all
11:43<linbot>Fremont360 - 11, Fremont540 - 26, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 12, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 4 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
11:43<walbert>that's no huge deal... would they leave the old one running until the TTL for the dns record expires?
11:43<iggy>looks like fremont has space
11:43<mwalling>guess you're going to fremont
11:44<Peng>walbert: I'm pretty sure it entails downtime.
11:44<iggy>walbert: nope, it moves everything
11:44<Bdragon>no, it's shutdown > migrate > startup
11:44<walbert>i see
11:44<Peng>Xen allows live migrations, doesn't it?
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11:44<Bdragon>Should do some more debugging first
11:44<tjfontaine>(futz ip if not using dhcp)
11:44<Bdragon>Peng: But that doesn't solve the dns issue
11:44<iggy>Peng: if using shared storage of some sort
11:44<HoopyCat>you could get a second one in fremont, set stuff back up over there, then cancel the atlanta one at your convenience
11:44<Peng>Bdragon: True.
11:44<Peng>iggy: Oh, right, that's the limitation.
11:44<iggy>I'd really want to test it first
11:44<iggy>make sure you aren't wasting time
11:45<Peng>Yeah. Moving to another DC just to test your FTP config isn't a good idea.
11:45<Bdragon>Got any odd tcp settings?
11:45<cruxeternus>Yeah, migrating hosts is a last resort.
11:45<cruxeternus>Other things you could try... have you tried using PureFTPd or vsftpd?
11:45<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
11:45<walbert>Bdragon: nope, just out of the box slackware
11:45<HoopyCat>a 360 can be yours for less than a dollar a day. that's less than you'd pay to feed a starving child in ethiopia
11:45<Bdragon>rock on :D
11:45<walbert>HoopyCat: I'd feed him for 1/2 that price
11:45<iggy>maybe you can sweet talk linode into letting you borrow a host in another DC for a day
11:45<Bdragon>Maybe try scamper from the client?
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11:45<Peng>HoopyCat: I never thought of it that way.
11:45<cruxeternus>HoopyCat: I dunno, man. Rice prices are way up.
11:46<Peng>HoopyCat: Netflix is cheaper than starving children too.
11:46<Bdragon> <-- that one
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11:47<walbert>Bdragon: I'm not inclined to believe that it's a MTU problem... i've had the same problems using comcast as an ISP, a mom-and-pop DSL company as an ISP, and my company's T1 provider as an ISP
11:48<walbert>but good call, nonetheless
11:48<Bdragon>How big are the files you're transferring anyhow?
11:48<walbert>that's the thing...
11:48<walbert>we got around the problem by zipping up all of the web site's files
11:48<walbert>and sending one 200mb zip file
11:49<walbert>it's not hiccuping during transfers
11:49<Bdragon>Oh, only between?
11:49<Bdragon>Hmm, THAT's different
11:49<walbert>it is
11:49<cruxeternus>Yeah, that's a whole 'nother can of noodles.
11:50*cruxeternus goes back and looks at walber's conf file.
11:50*Bdragon digs through proftpd docs
11:50<Bdragon>Maybe there's an implicit default coming into play...
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11:50<walbert>oh, and the UID/GID for the ftp user is apache/apache
11:50<walbert>and his home directory is chown/chgrp -R apache
11:51<cruxeternus>Are you saying it times out after a certain delay between files?
11:51<cruxeternus>Or between two files it's trying to send right away?
11:51<bleeding_edge>has anyone [else] ran into issues where /dev/random simply doesn't work?
11:51<Bdragon>Are there any really long filenames?
11:51<walbert>no really long filenames
11:52<Bdragon>bleeding_edge: What's the device major and minor?
11:52<walbert>well, nothing that would send it over MAX_PATH
11:52<bleeding_edge>10, 183
11:52<walbert>if ext3 even has a max_path
11:52<cruxeternus>walbert: Is it timing out after a delay... or between files in a series?
11:53<walbert>cruxeternus: it is timing out during transfers of many files
11:53<bleeding_edge>Bdragon: major 10, minor 183
11:54<Bdragon>bleeding_edge: Does 1, 8 work better?
11:54*Bdragon checks another machine...
11:55<cruxeternus>walbert: Have you tried setting TimeoutIdle 0?
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11:55<walbert>cruxeternus: the server isn't kicking them out for timeout violations
11:55<xiownthis>hi all
11:55<xiownthis>got my dns problem fixed, now just need to wait hehe
11:56<xiownthis>how do you see when a domain name is gonna expire?
11:56<walbert>at the end of that paste record, the client was disconnected
11:56<Bdragon>walbert: Spaces in directory names?
11:56<bleeding_edge>bdragon: 1,8 works, but is REALLY slow... dumped about 18chars and blocked
11:56<cruxeternus>Ah :/
11:56<cruxeternus>Bdragon: that log shows spaces in directory names.
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11:56<Bdragon>bleeding_edge: yeah, it's an alternative driver
11:57<Bdragon>cruxeternus: Yeah, hence my questioning
11:57<Bdragon>What client btw?
11:57*cruxeternus waits for an answer of "IE5"
11:58<britt>IE 3.2
12:00<britt>or....Netscape Communicator 4.0.8
12:00<walbert>Bdragon: tried the ftp client built into IE on windows, fireftp for firefox, dreamweaver's internal client
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12:00<bleeding_edge>bdragon: I have 3 different linode machines, and all are having the same issue. (3 seperate physical machines, even... in 2 different datacenters) I guess I'm going to put in a support ticket
12:00<walbert>dreamweaver reconnects and resumes silently when it hits a problem
12:00<Bdragon>what about filezilla?
12:00<Bdragon>bleeding_edge: uml or zen?
12:00<Bdragon>err xen
12:01<Bdragon>anyway, 1,8 is the entropy pool and 10,183 is hwrandom iirc
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12:01<cruxeternus>bleeding_edge: what about /dev/urandom?
12:01<Bdragon>so yeah, 1,8 is slow when the pool is drained
12:01<Bdragon>urandom is pseudorandom
12:01*HoopyCat does his part to fill up the pool
12:02<Bdragon>not for use as entropy!
12:02<cruxeternus>I've got news for you buddy..
12:02<cruxeternus>/dev/random is pseudorandom too :P
12:02<Bdragon>Depends on the driver :P
12:03*Bdragon imagines a little die inside a chip rattling around when he thinks of hwrandom
12:03<HoopyCat>nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine
12:03*cruxeternus thinks of the all the corners cut in the CMOS design process.
12:03<Kassah>with my luck it's more like 1,1,1,1,1,1
12:03<Bdragon>(cue debian joke)
12:04<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: stfu, i told you not to tell anyone that
12:04<Isvara>I recently saw a function whose purpose was to generate a random number. It consisted of one line: return 'A';
12:04<Bdragon>Amazing! That's the same combination I have on my luggage!
12:04<cruxeternus>Mine too!
12:04<mwalling>thats my zip code!
12:04<cruxeternus>I bet we all have the same root password too.
12:04<bleeding_edge>urandom works fine
12:04<cruxeternus>Who want's to volunteer?
12:05*cruxeternus waits.
12:05<Peng>Isvara: Wow, that's even better than
12:05<Bdragon>god, sex, money
12:06<cruxeternus>return '*' is more universal
12:06<walbert>even better than 221 is the RFC that it references
12:06<Peng>walbert: Woah, I never caught that before.
12:07<mwalling>which rfc?
12:07<walbert>IP over carrier pigeon
12:08<azaghal>walbert: Would work like charm if pidgeons wouldn't get eaten by the other side...
12:08<wladek>pidgeons.. lol
12:08<azaghal>That's what you call "package loss"...
12:08<mwalling>thats in 1149?
12:09<Bdragon>I think the experimental implementation of it is funnier
12:09<Peng>No. He's referencing that RFC for fun.
12:09<Peng>(I think.)
12:09*mwalling gives up
12:09<cruxeternus>mwalling: Yeah, I don't see the link either :P
12:09<azaghal>Actually, the disturbing thing is somebody managed to do a ping with it :)
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12:09<azaghal>They had a ping of several days, but hey - it worked ;)
12:09<walbert>RFC 1149 is dated 1 April 1990
12:10<mwalling>1149 is an april fools day rfc
12:10<mwalling>so i would hope its dated as such
12:10<Bdragon>I don't think it was several days...
12:10<HoopyCat>it was only a couple beers, iirc
12:10<cruxeternus>And they were received severely out of order.
12:10<Peng>RFC 1149 is really short. I didn't remember that.
12:10*Peng wanders off.
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12:11<Bdragon>Anyway, what about QoS for IP over avian carriers?
12:11<cruxeternus>walbert: Did we ever solve your FTP problem?
12:12<azaghal>Bdragon: Probably putting hunters with rifles?
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12:16<HoopyCat>ha! the xkcd geohashing meetup is within walking distance.
12:16<walbert>crux: nope
12:17<walbert>crux: i'm going to set up pureftp on a different port I think, and see if the problem continues
12:18<cruxeternus>walbert: good idea
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12:43<tjfontaine>cleveland eh
12:45<tjfontaine>I'm from Alliance
12:45<tjfontaine>a bit further south than you :)
12:45<Eleo_>yeah a couple hours away if i recall correctly
12:46<tjfontaine>nah, 1:30 tops
12:46<tjfontaine>(you know you're from ohio if you measure distance in time)
12:46<Eleo_>oh you're right
12:46*cruxeternus is a two-hour drive from tjfontaine
12:46*mikegrb never leaves a two click radius from tjfontaine
12:47<tjfontaine>cruxeternus: you're in pitt?
12:48<cruxeternus>Let's Go Pens!
12:48<tjfontaine>I make that trip in 1:45 at the longest :)
12:48<cruxeternus>Hah, well, I was relying on Google Maps.
12:48<tjfontaine>friend of mine goes to law school at duq
12:48<cruxeternus>That's an outstanding law school.
12:48<tjfontaine>lives in washington plaza, we get to look over mellon arena
12:49<tjfontaine>I had to leave mothers day before they played though :/
12:49<cruxeternus>heh, I had a friend who used to live there
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12:58<cruxeternus>Time for someone to "accidentally" sever Turkey's internet backbone.
13:04<azaghal>cruxeternus: I say just wait for the Thanksgiving Day - then they'll get it...
13:04<mwalling>ba doom boom psh
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13:06<HoopyCat>we'd let 'em stay if they'd just tell us why constaintinople got the works
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13:10*walbert tried installing pureftpd, seems the problem went away.
13:12*walbert retracts that statement
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13:21<walbert>would you mind wgetting the entire ftp tree to see if you error out?
13:21<walbert>it's about 150mb total
13:21<cruxeternus>I have a pretty nazi firewall here (that I made that way :)
13:21<cruxeternus>But we'll see if it works.
13:21<walbert>wget -m
13:22<cruxeternus>Ok, it's going.
13:22<walbert>i did it from localhost and it had no problems at all
13:23<walbert>but, i've only run into the problem uploading, so meh
13:23<Bdragon>(btw, there's an option you can pass to wget to make it not actually store the files)
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13:23<cruxeternus>walbert: So I take it you have to allow the customer to upload files to their website?
13:24<cruxeternus>Otherwise, I'd suggest sftp :P
13:24<walbert>crux: I have to support frontpage '98 as a web page editor
13:24<cruxeternus>You have my sympathies.
13:24<walbert>well, i have to support it for one more month
13:25<walbert>the web site is really really dated
13:25<cruxeternus>walbert: If this completes successfully, want me to upload the whole thing back to a tmp directory or something?
13:25<walbert>crux: how about i give you a zip file of everything that should be uploaded
13:25<cruxeternus>If that's faster for you.
13:26<cruxeternus>I'm downloading at around 55kB/s
13:26<walbert>my wget
13:26<walbert>just timed out
13:26<walbert>then wget automagically reconnected
13:26<Bdragon>55kB/s? That's snail speed...
13:26<Bdragon>same dc?
13:26<cruxeternus>Bdragon: Well, it's on lots and lots of small files.
13:26<cruxeternus>So it doesn't have time to sync up to max speed.
13:26<walbert>the old site is hundreds of static html pages
13:27<cruxeternus>Your wget download of the site or the zip timed out?
13:27<walbert>the site
13:27<cruxeternus>hmm.. still going here
13:27<walbert>well it timed out
13:27<walbert>and then wget automatically resumed
13:27<walbert>if I wasn't watching it, i wouldn't have noticed
13:27<cruxeternus>I've got 6MB so far :/
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13:28<walbert>I should have asked you to use a shittier client ;)
13:28<cruxeternus>I *do* have a Windows XP virtual machine!
13:28<cruxeternus>Window ftp, baby!
13:28<walbert>windows xp's integrated client
13:29<walbert>is what i'm really trying to get working
13:29<cruxeternus>Of course, we're adding a few variables (linux bridging/tunneling)
13:29<cruxeternus>but I'll try that
13:29<walbert>because I can just tell the engineering guys to use it instead of frontpage's without catching any kind of backlash
13:30<walbert>okay, start->run, then type "explorer ::{208D2C60-3AEA-1069-A2D7-08002B30309D}"
13:30<walbert>then click "Add a Network Place"
13:31<walbert>then just follow the wizard
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13:31<mwalling>wth is the ::ouhao;fnwea?
13:31<mwalling>is that the classid of the ftp client?
13:31<walbert>that's the GUID for "My Network Places"
13:31<@mikegrb>mwalling: sekr17 windows code
13:32<walbert>i just copied it out of a little domain user logon script i have to bring it up in the background and add some standard shares for some people in the office
13:32<HoopyCat>i tried that and i got a webcam of bill gates' bedroom
13:32<HoopyCat>oh, 309*D*. nevermind
13:34<mwalling>walbert: you know about net.exe, right?
13:34<walbert>mwalling: yes, but you have to use the GUI if you want to use -ftp-
13:35<walbert>mwalling: net use is only useful for samba shares
13:35<mwalling>" add some standard shares for some people in the office"
13:35<cruxeternus>Oh wow, never opened an ftp site in explorer like that before :D
13:36<cruxeternus>Alright, it's thinking about it.. "Calculating time required"...
13:36<walbert>crux: when you upload, use the l/p of crux/crux
13:36<jimcooncat>hey, since you guys know this stuff, can I mount a samba share to a directory instead of a drive letter?
13:36<walbert>it points to a different dir with the same set of files
13:36<walbert>and has write permissions
13:36<walbert>test/test is readonly
13:37<walbert>jimcooncat: yes
13:37<jimcooncat>reverse of SUBST :-)
13:37<cruxeternus>Windows says, "13 hours 49 minutes remaining" :)
13:38<cruxeternus>Of course, Windows never has any idea.
13:38<cruxeternus>Guess I'll kill this other transfer.
13:38<jimcooncat>I don't know how to google that
13:39<walbert>you can't do it with a standard samba share, but you can mount dfs shares in directories or as drives
13:39<jimcooncat>thanks walbert, guess it's not in xp though
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13:41<kvandivo>i'm at 162megs and still going
13:41<jimcooncat>cruxeternus: you downloading a chunk of the web?
13:41<cruxeternus>jimcooncat: Only a chunk that's proven to be troublesome.
13:42<walbert>crux: did windows' client error out yet?
13:42<cruxeternus>No, still going... says 2 hours 45 minutes now.
13:42<cruxeternus>This is the downloading, btw.
13:42<jimcooncat>wow that was a fast 11 hours
13:43<cruxeternus>Now 1 hour 50 minutes
13:43<walbert>that should drop
13:43<walbert>the first few directories (alphabetically) have some comparably large images
13:43<cruxeternus>It's the Windows countdown timer... it draws from hwrandom
13:43<jimcooncat>Until you get to 15 minutes, then you might as well go to lunch
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13:44<kvandivo>Downloaded: 154,774,475 bytes in 4011 files
13:44<cruxeternus>kvandivo: On Windows?
13:45<kvandivo>no.. quad core redhat box on.. let's say.. a pretty wide pipe
13:45<cruxeternus>evidently :P
13:46<cruxeternus>I've got 30 MBs on Windows so far.
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13:54<timothy>hey guys
13:54<walbert>what's up timothy?
13:55<timothy>well, I've got an IP address on my Linode that just went down last night or so
13:55<timothy>not sure what the prob is
13:55<mwalling>you file a ticket?
13:55<timothy>nope.... I'll file one
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13:56<mwalling>prolly the best route to take
13:56<timothy>cool, thx
13:56<mwalling>does the ip show up in the networking sub sub tab of the dashboard?
13:56<timothy>should've thought of that first
13:56<mwalling>but you cant bring it up on eth0:#?
13:57<timothy>and a traceroute shows it dying at:
13:57<timothy>13 ( 86.621 ms 77.564 ms 78.142 ms
13:58<timothy>so, I just assumed it was a router or something that is having probs
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13:58<cruxeternus>13:56 < mwalling> prolly the best route to take
13:58<mwalling>shut up
13:59<walbert>hrm... i wonder if the problems have to do with files that aren't named properly...
14:00<timothy>.... my prob??
14:00<cruxeternus>76MBs, about 50% done (according to "progress" bar)
14:00<walbert>no, mine :)
14:00<timothy>oh, coo
14:00<walbert>i keep trying to upload from my copy of the web site off of the old iis server
14:00<walbert>and, it looks like it's erroring on "Twin D Assoc..htm"
14:01<walbert>maybe there's some kind of built-in protection from having a ".." in a filename?
14:01<cruxeternus>Dunno, but a good guess.
14:01<walbert>you're probably working grandly because that file never made it to the server
14:02<walbert>some of these files have like
14:02<walbert>ampersands too
14:03<cruxeternus>Seems like an error would get logged though.
14:05<walbert>well, the log is only logging files -transferred-
14:05<walbert>it looks like i'm seeing the last successful xfer or command before failure
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14:06<cruxeternus>Well, I can confirm that I've _downloaded_ some files containing &'s.
14:07<cruxeternus>We'll see if they upload.
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14:08*walbert can't wait until this freakin' site moves to ruby on rails
14:08<walbert>every single problem we ever have with it is a giant facepalm
14:08<cruxeternus>Yeah, but will you still have customers uploading stuff?
14:08<walbert>customers don't upload stuff
14:08<walbert>non-technical-types in engineering/sales/marketing do
14:09<iggy>flash uploader
14:09<cruxeternus> haha
14:09<cruxeternus>You want me to basically upload back over all these files?
14:10<iggy>yui has a plugin one that works pretty well
14:10<walbert>crux: using the l/p of crux/crux yeah
14:10<cruxeternus>Ok, just making sure.
14:10<walbert>crux/crux just chroots to /home/crux
14:10<walbert>you can't really cause any damage :p
14:11<walbert>test/test was chrooted to /var/www/htdocs with readonly access
14:12<cruxeternus>Well, I always stop and ask *myself* questions like that, just as a sanity check :P
14:12<HoopyCat>Stop! Think! What's the worst thing that could happen?
14:13<cruxeternus>Wow, this is a typical Windows "4 minutes remaining"
14:13<cruxeternus>Going on... 10 minutes
14:14<iggy>now 2, now 40, now 3, now 7999, now 2
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14:16<cruxeternus>oh! that's Clarion, PA
14:16<cruxeternus>you're like an hour and a half from here
14:16<cruxeternus>I've hiked in your State Forest!
14:17<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: nudge nudge, wink wink
14:17*cruxeternus nudges HoopyCat into Lake Ontario.
14:18<cruxeternus>Ok, Windows download completed and successful.
14:18<cruxeternus>Beginning upload.
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14:22<cruxeternus>I'm getting permission denied, as crux.
14:23<cruxeternus>I can create a directory, but not overwrite files.
14:24<walbert>oh sec
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14:26<cruxeternus>fail, fail fail, fail, fail, and.... fail
14:26<cruxeternus>Silly bots.
14:27<cruxeternus>14:25 -!- curx [~cimen@] has joined #linode
14:27<cruxeternus>woah... are they trying to learn our names and create similar ones to cause confusion?
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14:32<icebrian>can anyone help me set-up sendmail to only send in slack 12 ?
14:32<irgeek>Oh wow. I think there were 10 Fremont2880s available yesterday. I guess they really were in demand.
14:33<icebrian>or point me in the right direction
14:33<irgeek>icebrian: Set up postfix. Because sendmail is a piece of black magic which will haunt you in your sleep.
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14:34<icebrian>fair enough... postfix it is
14:36<mwalling>icebrian: postfix build scripts available at
14:36<icebrian>got to go build it thou... argh!
14:36<irgeek>The default setup for postfix is to receive email for accounts on the local machine and allow local users to send.
14:36<mwalling>as well as dovecot if thats your style
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14:36<cruxeternus>postfix+amavisd-new+dovecot+local_users ftw
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14:36<mwalling>woot /ignore ftw
14:36<cruxeternus>Wow, they're becoming more insistent.
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14:37<cruxeternus>How do you ignore them?
14:37<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:37<irgeek>mwalling: slackware doesn't have a package for postfix? No wonder nobody uses it.
14:38<BP{k}>cruxeternus: you could try ignoring join, quits, parts etc.
14:38<mwalling>irgeek: no, not in the offical tree.
14:38<cruxeternus>Ehh... I feel lost without joins/parts (for non-bots)
14:38<irgeek>BP{k}: But then people I don't wish to speak to can sneak up on me. ;)
14:39<irgeek>mwalling: That's, um, different.
14:39<mwalling>slackware is pat's distrobution. it has in it what pat wants.
14:40<icebrian>and anyways... you allways have such sites as (among others) with prebuilt packages
14:40<HoopyCat>pat wants steak
14:40<irgeek>Ah, so pat enjoys the sleepless nights that come with sendmail. Interesting.
14:40<HoopyCat>thus, steak is on an A disk :-)
14:40<BP{k}>icebrian: please tell me you were being sarcastic there?
14:40<mwalling>icebrian: NOOOOOOO
14:40<HoopyCat>irgeek: sendmail isn't that bad
14:40*icebrian goes and hides
14:40<HoopyCat>at least, not since 1994 or so
14:41<mwalling>irgeek: read the second paragraph
14:41<cruxeternus>walbert: You still need me to upload?
14:41<walbert>crux: na, don't bother
14:41<HoopyCat>bbiab, milkrun
14:41<irgeek>It's an absolute nightmare to configure and every time you change something you have to worry if you broke something else inadvertently.
14:41<mwalling>icebrian: > * >
14:41<cruxeternus>Ok, what did you decide?
14:41<BP{k}>icebrian: seriously. do stay away from
14:42<walbert>our other office is already out for the day, and i'm just going to clean up this file structure
14:42<walbert>to see if that's causing a problem
14:42<cruxeternus>Ah, alright.
14:42*cruxeternus goes back to testing remote backups.
14:42<icebrian>to be truthfull i usually don't use them.. dependencies are always wrong for me
14:42<walbert>thanks for the help though, crux
14:42<cruxeternus>np, anytime
14:42<mwalling>icebrian: i promise you, you wont have dep hell with SBo
14:43<mwalling>(for very large values of hell)
14:43<BP{k}>icebrian: Slackware > SBo > self || (alienBob || rworkmans) repository > slackbuilds
14:44<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:44<cruxeternus>omg, there's more of you slackware people
14:44<cruxeternus>where do you come from?
14:44<walbert>whatcha got against slackware?
14:44<walbert>i've been using slackware for 12 years
14:45<wladek>it's not debian.. that's what they have against it
14:45*walbert nods
14:45<BP{k}>mikegrb: in some former eastblock countries .. slackware gets to use you ;)
14:45<cruxeternus>It was my first Linux, actually :/
14:45<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:45<irgeek>I've been ignoring slackware even longer. :p
14:45<mwalling>walbert: shh, dont let spacehobo let you hear that... you'll get trolled too
14:45<mwalling>er. drop the second let
14:45<mwalling>trust me
14:46<walbert>is he the one who banters about package managers and dependency tracking?
14:46*walbert has already been trolled
14:47<walbert>no dependencies == no dependency hell :)
14:49<walbert>though I do use fedora at home
14:49<irgeek>So you're trading dependency hell for broken software hell?
14:49<mwalling>broken how?
14:49<walbert>irgeek: name one broken thing
14:50<mwalling>excluding the fact that it doesnt contain the MTA of your prefrence
14:50<irgeek>Software that doesn't have it's dependencies tends to be broken.
14:50<mwalling>software that doesnt have crazy deps to begin with tends to work
14:51<walbert>irgeek: dependency hell for me is when redhat-based-distros refuse to install mdadm (raid manager) when i remove sendmail and do a source-based-install of qmail
14:51<walbert>and of course, yum doesn't have any feature similar to "--ignoredeps"
14:52<walbert>so you have to resort to using rpm packages
14:52<walbert>because the raid manager likes to send out emails when a hard drive fails
14:52<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:52<walbert>on slackware, i wouldn't even imagine such a problem :)
14:53<walbert>that's just my example du jour though
14:53<jetlag>oh sweet little qmail
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14:55<irgeek>I prefer a system that mostly Just Works (TM) and gets the hell out of my way so I can do real work. That's also why I use a Mac. So far, Ubuntu has treated me very well in that respect.
14:57<walbert>irgeek: exactly :)
14:58<walbert>it all depends on what you want to just work (tm)
14:58<walbert>for me, an ubuntu install culminates with a massive uninstall of everything I do not want and will never begin
14:59<walbert>and half of the time, dependencies force out half of the things that I do want and definitely need along with it
14:59<walbert>(never begin to need*)
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15:01<irgeek>The extra work involved with compiling and managing everything yourself, in my mind, is a lot worse than having some packages laying around which I may or may not need later.
15:02<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
15:02<walbert>irgeek: slackware does have packages, you don't compile or manage everything, unless you decide to compile and manage it, or there isn't a package for it
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15:03<wladek>that's eh.. not right
15:03<walbert>but anyqay
15:03<walbert></holywar>, back to work :)
15:03<irgeek>If I really wanted a lean, stripped-down, only-the-things-I-absolutely-need system, I'd build Linux from scratch again. The last time I did not enjoy the experience. Over the years I've learned that my life is much simpler if I let other people manage the building for me.
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15:04<walbert>fact of the matter is, i got a little vps doing exactly what I want it to do in less time than this debate
15:04*walbert shrugs
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15:05<walbert>i'm not a diy evangelist or anything, nor am I resistant to change. I'm just well adjusted and dont see a compelling reason to use a different distro :)
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15:12<irgeek>walbert: I've always been of the opinion that, without compelling reasons, don't change the way you're doing things. I have a friend who's constantly changing distros and he's always confused about something his distro-du-jour does differently than the one he used before it.
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15:13<mwalling>irgeek: then why do you keep bashing slackware?
15:14<irgeek>I'm not bashing it, just discussing what, for me, are the compelling reasons to stay away from it.
15:15<mwalling>14:37 < irgeek> mwalling: slackware doesn't have a package for postfix? No wonder nobody uses it.
15:15<irgeek>You've got to admit, it's got a pretty small following these days compared to the Debian and RedHat Linuxes.
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15:16<@caker>so he wants to understand why
15:16<mwalling>size of following is not a direct corolation to the quality
15:16<@caker>it's not the size of your distro ... it's
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15:17<mwalling>linode offering a turnkey slackware deploy was a selling point for me
15:17<icebrian>me too
15:17<scott>thats 2
15:17*walbert raises hand
15:18<jetlag>it also has a pretty small following compared to Windows
15:19<walbert>good point, jet ;)
15:20<irgeek>I didn't know slackware didn't have a package for postfix. If I had loaded it up to try it out and discovered that, the trial would have ended there for me. I'm guessing other people would come to the conclusion they don't like it once they discovered that the packages they want aren't there either. Ergo, I now understand why fewer people use it compared to other distros. I wasn't bashing, just starting to understand. And being a little sarcastic as well. :)
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15:33*Solver hasn't used Slackware since 1995 or so. It was good in its day, IMHO
15:33<Solver>yeah that's probably an invitation to a distro flame war :)
15:33<Eleo>i like windows vista
15:33<britt>I like dos 3.3
15:34*walbert likes all of the above
15:35<cruxeternus>I like manipulating CPU clock signals with a magnet and a coil of copper wire.
15:35<mwalling>right fred ?
15:36<Solver>Right Said Fred?
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15:41<erikh>I gotta admit, amarok makes working with an iPod under linux extremely simple
15:42*Battousai eagerly awaiting amarok 2
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15:46<icebrian>yay.. postfix up and running and a I wanted... no doubt much better choice :)
15:47<cruxeternus>Yeah, configuration is MUCH simpler. Security and performance are better too.
15:49<mwalling>not necessarally
15:49<cruxeternus>(for me)
15:49*mwalling points out that his $largeEmployer runs sendmail on their border gateways
15:50<@caker>sendmail 4 evar
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15:50<mwalling>because exch would crumble to the ground if they put that on the border
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15:50<@caker>what is this e mail you speak of?
15:50*caker doesn't understand
15:51<mwalling>caker wrote gmail :P
15:51<irgeek>caker: It's like facebook without as many ads. And no werewolves.
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15:51<@caker>Who was it in here that said myspace was like an email client with spam and a bad soundtrack?
15:51<britt>Gmail != Facebook
15:52*irgeek raises hand
15:52<@caker>please, myspaceemail me or facebookmail me
15:52<irgeek>I said that.
15:52<@caker>irgeek: yeah -- good one :)
15:52<britt>facebookspam or myspacespam you?
15:54<britt>oh wow
15:54<britt>you really are on facebook
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16:00<linbot>New news from wiki: Ubuntu <> || Slackware 10.0 <> || Redhat 9.0 <> || Gentoo <> || Fedora Core 2 <> || Debian Etch <> || Debian Sarge <
16:01<Bdragon>Removal of old stuff?
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16:01<path->twenty questions?
16:02*path- is happy today
16:02<path->got a laptop from work :)
16:02<binel>caker: you got 1 more fan =)
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16:03<irgeek>path-: It was mwalling. :)
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16:03<path->that was only a guess too
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16:04<irgeek>Linode publishes a SIP address. :)
16:04<irgeek>Maybe some day if I need to call them I can use that.
16:04<mwalling>i did what?
16:05<path->linbot was listing wiki changes before the bot storm
16:05<mwalling>cruxeternus: you think i'm kidding, ask jadoba
16:06<irgeek>caker: Does the snailmail address on the contacts page work for sending small packages?
16:06<@caker>uh ..
16:06<@caker>that depends :)
16:07<irgeek>Not the ticking kind.
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16:13<silverblade>the suspicious white powdery kind?
16:13<britt>where do ticking packages go then? They have to go *somewhere*?
16:14<cruxeternus>I think most of them must end up in Palestine.
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17:10<icebrian>i just read this in the forums "There's a case to be made that a linode doesn't actually need a firewall, since you can control which ports are listened on" is this true?
17:10<bd_> this is neat.
17:10<bd_>icebrian: Don't run programs listening on ports you don't want them to listen on, essentially.
17:11<timothy>I'm out guys..... later
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17:11<icebrian>only have ssh and httpd, i was thinking however to setup iptables.. searched on forums for info and found that..
17:12<icebrian>i thought he ment there was a web interface in which you could control which ports are open
17:12<bd_>Well, there's a web interface if you set up some kind of web interface for it. :P
17:13<bd_>but it's more like, unlike windows, you can kill off everything that listens to the network and still have a functional system
17:13<bd_>although you'd need to use lish to access it
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17:14<icebrian>guess ill just use shorewall
17:17<mendel>there is a webmin plugin for shorewall
17:18<mendel>but it's good to have an extra layer on top of "whatever happens to be running" which is "what, administratively, is supposed to be running"
17:19<mwalling>icebrian: why use shorewall?
17:19<tjfontaine>shorewall++ :)
17:19<mwalling>iptables(8) called from a sh script you stole from fred++
17:20<icebrian>mwalling, iptables seems a little too hard
17:20<mwalling>icebrian: ... *I* figured it out
17:21*icebrian is off to learn iptable rules
17:21<tjfontaine>for a single server it's not terrible, multiple interfaces etc shorewall can simplify it
17:22<mwalling>icebrian: look at robbys scripts, but i wouldnt use them in a copy and paste style... get the basic syntax of iptables down, learn how packets flow through it, and the rules will make sense
17:23<icebrian>will do... btw for slackware anything else ill need that's not included in base image ?
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17:28<lotuslnd>any kiwis in here? :)
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17:32<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
17:32<icebrian>mwalling, ... do you think this is safe ?
17:33<linbot>New news from forums: renaming linodes in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
17:33<mendel>smoothwall is awesome, use smoothwall.
17:36<icebrian>got convinced to go the direct iptables way
17:41<mwalling>icebrian: yes, alienBOB is very good
17:41<mwalling>again, with the EFG, i wouldnt take what it dumps out and drop it in, i would use it as a template for my own
17:41<icebrian>true.. will do
17:42<icebrian>one other thing.. I am guessing your using slack also
17:42<mwalling>oh, and install slackpkg from extra/, it helps out with the download/package install
17:42<icebrian>have already
17:42<icebrian> :)
17:42<mwalling>if you're in dallas you can pull from my mirror
17:42<mwalling>ts then :P
17:42<icebrian>one other thing.. kernel modules
17:42<icebrian>seems currently
17:43<mwalling>you dont need any of the kernel-* (except for kernel-headers) packages
17:43<mwalling>linode ships kernels
17:43<icebrian>slack is looking in /lib/modules/ however modules are in /lib/modules/
17:44<icebrian>linode provided a diff. kernel than the modules package
17:44<icebrian>for 12.0
17:44<icebrian>what can I do then ?
17:44<mwalling>just run 'mkdir /lib/modules/$(uname -r) && depmod -a"
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17:45<icebrian>great thanks :)
17:45<mwalling>the linode kernel has most of what you need compilied into it, just look at /proc/config.gz for proof :)
17:45<icebrian>will do
17:48<lotuslnd>so not advised to upgrade kernel then?
17:48<tjfontaine>you can't (yet)
17:48<bd_>lotuslnd: it won't have any effect
17:48<tjfontaine>you can load modules as you see fit
17:49<tjfontaine>you can select a kernel to boot from the dashboard
17:50<lotuslnd>ok, cool
17:51<lotuslnd>any of you running ruby on rails apps on your linode machines?
17:52<Toba_>hell no
17:52<tjfontaine>lotuslnd: I'm sure lots do
17:53<lotuslnd>was hoping for links so i can see speeds, etc.
17:53<tjfontaine>check the forums maybe
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18:09<linbot>irgeek: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
18:09<linbot>schmichael: Fremont360 - 9, Fremont540 - 25, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 12, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 4
18:09<linbot>Fremont360 - 9, Fremont540 - 25, Fremont720 - 15, Fremont1080 - 12, Fremont1440 - 8, Fremont2880 - 4 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 1, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
18:09<schmichael>fremont is the place to be :)
18:09<irgeek>Fremont gets all the new toys.
18:09<straterra>My girl's name isn't fremont
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18:11<irgeek>Those 2880s in Fremont are going fast. There were 10 last night.
18:12<Battousai>they're selling like...
18:12<Battousai>things that sell well
18:12<Toba_>hot spares?
18:12<irgeek>caker: Any word on when we'll have shiny new Xen 360s in Dallas?
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18:12<Battousai>i'll trade you mine
18:12<Battousai>if you pay me
18:12*irgeek wonders why you don't want it
18:12*irgeek now understands
18:13<Battousai>i'm indifferent between dallas and fremont
18:13<Battousai>atlanta is a different story
18:13<straterra>Atlanta is the sex
18:13<straterra>(With 80 year old, AIDS infected men)
18:17<Toba_>can't have a party without lemon!
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18:22<irgeek>I usually enjoy my time in this channel.
18:26<mwalling>irgeek: the exception being?
18:26<mwalling>irgeek: oh, re: forum thread...
18:27<mwalling>(the last 2, first one was a brain fart)
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18:40<xiownthis>hi all
18:41<xiownthis>i downloaded this prog, and it is tared.gz like a rar, in parts, progname1.tar.gz, progname2.tar.gz, etc, how do i untar this?
18:42<nickj>xiownthis: tar -zvxf tarfile.gz
18:42<nickj>tar.gz even
18:42<nickj>wait I didn't read your full question
18:43<xiownthis>yea, i assume its not the same way as just 1 tar.gz right?
18:43<xiownthis>do i have to untar everyfile?
18:45<xiownthis>ok, will try this :p
18:46*mwalling learned something new
18:50<irgeek>It took some getting used to, but the new Linode Manager is starting to make much more sense to me. And it is teh sexy.
18:51<irgeek>Just wish I could change the login names for Lish to match the Linode names. :\
18:52<xiownthis>hmm, giving me an error..
18:53<xiownthis>Old option `f' requires an argument. Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.
18:53<mwalling>f requires a File
18:54<irgeek>The - tells it that the file is stdin
18:54<mwalling>so dont skip the -
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18:54<xiownthis>this is what i did
18:54<xiownthis>cat Cpanel-7.1.0-RELEASE_20-Linux-i686-glibc-2.1-*.tar.gz|tar xzvf- tar:
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18:54<xiownthis>without the tar:
18:54<irgeek>f <space> -
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18:55<xiownthis>ahh ok
18:55<xiownthis>missed that
18:55<xiownthis>working now :)
18:56*irgeek wonders if deleting the old Linode Manager username from my second Linode will break anything.
18:57<irgeek>I'm guessing no.
19:01<xiownthis>this one worked :p "for i in progname*.tar.gz; do tar -xzvf $i; done"
19:02<irgeek>They were separate tgz archives then.
19:05<irgeek>Being able to restrict a user to managing only certain domains in the DNS Manager is nice.
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19:21<icebrian>mwalling, you still arround ? i've succesfully aplied iptables rules.. all is working just as expected... just one thing.. I also disabled ssh and therefore am using lish.. however every iptable rule that gets applied shows up in lish... does this happen to you?
19:22<mwalling>what do you mean?
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19:23<icebrian>ie: "Invalid packet: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=XXX SRC=XXX DST=XXX LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=240 ID=37138 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=39068 DPT=80 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0" shows up in my lish shell
19:23<irgeek>icebrian: Lish is your console.
19:23<mwalling>did you add a -j LOG line?
19:23<irgeek>You need to turn off kernel syslog messages being echoed to the console.
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19:24<mwalling>irgeek: not necessarally... i leave tehm on so if shtf i can do a logview from lish
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19:25<irgeek>Well he can just turn off whatever facility iptables is using.
19:25<mwalling>or the logging rule
19:25<icebrian>yeah got -j LOG lines... ie: "-A bad_packets -p ALL -m state --state INVALID -j LOG --log-prefix "Invalid packet: ""
19:26<icebrian>i'd like to log to file
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19:26<irgeek>They should be going to a file as well. Look in /var/log/messages
19:27<irgeek>mwalling: What's the default syslog on slack?
19:28<irgeek>I meant which program. Regular syslog, syslog-ng etc.
19:28<mwalling>regular syslog
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19:29<mwalling>icebrian: 2 options: 1) change the priority that iptables logs at. 2) move the LOG targets to ULOG, which i prefer
19:30<icebrian>damn.. didnt have syslog installed..
19:30<icebrian>yeah going to go for the ulog
19:30<mwalling>you might want ulog as well
19:32<icebrian>can't i use syslog to log iptable message to another file ?
19:32<mwalling>robby has ulog built from the SBo slackbuild there
19:33<Battousai>people still use slackware?
19:33<irgeek>Critical console log messages used to be really fun on SunOS with X. They would be written across the screen on top of your X session.
19:33<mwalling>irgeek: heh...
19:33<icebrian>got it thanks
19:36<icebrian>humm no exact method of getting syslog to log only iptables message to a specifc file.. only by setting level to debug and setting syslog to log kernel debug messages to other file... not very exact
19:36<icebrian>might go the ulog way
19:42<irgeek>icebrian: Unfortunately, syslog has never been a precision instrument. There are a few major design flaws that cause that. Like the fact there are only 17 facilities, half of which are reserved, and they are all broken into the same 9 priority levels.
19:44<mwalling>icebrian: while i dont currently do it, ulogd has the advantage of being able to store packets in a database, which makes analysis much easier
19:44<mwalling>i had a script that would look at the logs for ssh brute forcers, run geoip on the ips, and put pushpins in google maps
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19:49<icebrian>what about fireparse? any good ?
19:51<mwalling>never heard of it
19:54<mwalling>looks cool
19:54<mwalling>not as cool as sticking push pins into google maps though :)
19:55<icebrian>heheh true
20:06<irgeek>The layout on that site burns my eyes.
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20:42<scott>no bsg tonight
20:43*scott cries
20:43<Battousai>aren't you canadian?
20:43<Battousai>there's probably hockey on, watch that
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20:44<scott>Battousai: arent you american? you would know that isnt until tomorrow
20:45<Battousai>well, i meant non-NHL
20:45<Battousai>and honestly i'm not paying one bit of attention to the scf
20:46<Battousai>memorial cup is still going isn't it?
20:46<@mikegrb>I dunno about memorial cup but ur mom's cup is
20:47<scott>Battousai: indeed it is, but no one watches that
20:47<Battousai>i saw the first game
20:48<Battousai>the refs were bad
20:48<linbot>New news from forums: My notes on setting up qmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
20:48<Battousai>i thought i was watching an nhl game
20:48<@mikegrb>har har har
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20:55*path- 's watching BSG
20:58<straterra>Is it on atm?
20:59<path->i'm watching it from the beginning
20:59<path->took some liking to it after finding #linode
21:00<path->i think i saw some of the episodes, but its nice to watch it in order
21:00<straterra>that kinda have to
21:02<JasonF>this is made of awesomesauce
21:06*path- goes back to his regularly paused dvd player
21:09<linbot>New news from forums: Delivering mail to servers in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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22:03<Peng>Yay, my Linode's current uptime beats its last record by a week now. :)
22:04<bd_>Peng: Well, you're doomed now.
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22:13<melancthon>Is there a way for me to kill jobs from my linode's queue? I think I might have borked it badly trying to duplicate an image and shutting down my system manually while it was trying to do so
22:13<bd_>melancthon: the linode admins /might/ be able to stop a job in its tracks, if you can get ahold of them fast enough
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22:13<irgeek>melancthon: No.
22:15<linbot>New news from forums: Notification on host server crash in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
22:15<irgeek>Ignore my comment there.
22:16<melancthon>heh... alright
22:16<melancthon>a 6gb image shouldn't be taking quite this long with no progress on it :)
22:18<mwalling>my ninja senses say caker might be around
22:19<melancthon>I _think_ I have this whole irc thing figured out, at least I have a little tab thing at the top with his name on it, so I'm guessin' that's a private thread to him
22:19<mwalling>prolly a good idea to click that
22:19<purrdeta>yes that would seem reasonable.
22:20<mwalling>(or use a real irc client ;) )
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22:21<mwalling>looks like my ninja skills fail
22:22<tjfontaine>by about 24 mins
22:22<melancthon>aw well, decent try
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22:23<mwalling>he was on the forums
22:27<melancthon>I guess it's broken for the night... too bad, so sad :)
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22:30<irgeek>I guess that's not his primary server then.
22:30<irgeek>EIther that or he's taking it really well.
22:30<path->i don't see why shutting down in the middle of a copy would do anything
22:31<path->those image copies take awhile anyhow
22:34<bd_>path-: The startup job would be stuck behind the copy though
22:35<path->yea... maybe the copy finished.. then booted.. then he left irc :)
22:36<bd_>I could see a cancel job button being useful on certain long-running jobs though (of course, it's not safe for all jobs, but eg, stopping a fs resize when it's in the fsck phase ought to be safe. Ish.)
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22:39<irgeek>bd_: The resize keeps your old image around until it's done screwing with it--just in case. Canceling could just revert back to that and 86 whatever it had produced otherwise.
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22:39<bd_>well, that works.
22:40<bd_>obviously in eg migrations, you'd want to block the 'cancel' button
22:47<Peekaboo_000>anyone using openvpn on xen host?
22:51<Peekaboo_000>I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to create a dynamic or set tun device. like no module is loaded.
22:51<straterra>What kernel?
22:52<mwalling>Peekaboo_000: ls -l /dev/tun
22:52<Peekaboo_000>Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2)
22:52<Peekaboo_000> #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:45:54 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
22:52<mwalling>crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10, 200 2003-01-30 05:24 /dev/net/tun
22:52<mwalling>make that device node, you'll be all set
22:52<Peekaboo_000>the problem is I have no /dev/net and thus not /dev/net/tun
22:53<straterra>crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 200 May 21 21:43 /dev/net/tun
22:53<bd_>Peekaboo_000: are you using udev?
22:53<mwalling>Peekaboo_000: mkdir /dev/net?
22:53<bd_>if not, just mkvir /dev/net, and mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
22:53<Peekaboo_000>It appears to be loaded from the default image, but not sure if its functioning
22:54<mwalling>ubuntu uses udev, which, afaik, relies on modules being loaded, and since tun is built in it never creates the device node
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22:54<bd_>mwalling: it should still enumerate /sys at startup and handle builtin drivers
22:54<straterra>So..if we need support in a kernel..who do we tell?
22:54<mwalling>straterra: caker
22:54<bd_>Peekaboo_000: does /dev/.udev/ exist?
22:54<straterra>Ah, ok
22:54<Peekaboo_000>thanks that was the trick
22:55<fo0bar>Your Linode is currently
22:55<fo0bar>Brand New
22:55<mwalling>fo0bar: better fix that
22:55<fo0bar>still has that New Linode smell
22:55<bd_>fo0bar: That stuff comes in spraycans, you know
22:56*fo0bar hugs his brand new top-end Linode 150
22:57<Peekaboo_000>I do not see the /dev/udev anything file. But it is in dpkg -list
22:57<bd_>Peekaboo_000: /dev/.udev
22:57<bd_>the . is important
22:57<bd_>if it exists, your new /dev/net/tun will vanish on reboot
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22:58<Peekaboo_000>.udev: No such file or directory
22:59<bd_>okay, good :)
22:59<Peekaboo_000>I also do not see udev mentioned in any of the logs. I thought it was in kern.log
22:59<bd_>nah, udev is user-space, so it wouldn't be in any kind of kernel logs
23:00<bd_>it's mostly useful for desktop systems, really
23:00<Peekaboo_000>Well thats cool. I thought I did something wrong. On to other setup tasks. Thanks again..
23:01<mwalling>HoopyCat < mwalling
23:03<fo0bar>finnix 91.1 is pretty zippy on xen
23:03<fo0bar>I was a bit worried since some unionfs issues have made the last few finnix releases pretty slow when run under UML
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