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---Logopened Sat May 31 00:00:01 2008
---Daychanged Sat May 31 2008
00:00<sveiss>seems the Newark DC peers with my ISP at LINX... me likes
00:02<Bdragon>dum de dum...
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00:04*bd_ notes the lack of official announcement, still :P
00:04<Internat>thanks Bdragon :)
00:04<lastsh>two of my 360s now running in newark... weeeee
00:04<Bdragon>Of course, it's just normal traceroute and all
00:05<@tasaro>bd_: probably on Monday ;)
00:05<bd_>hehe :)
00:05<path->well, i gotta wait for dns
00:05<bd_>not that it matters much
00:06<purrdeta>should I open a support ticket or just ask here LOL
00:06<@tasaro>ticket please
00:06<Battousai>it's maxing me out
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00:09<bd_>Battousai: I find that essentially any DC can max out a residential connection, assuming your local system's TCP stack supports such things as windowscaling
00:09<bd_>window scaling*
00:09<bd_>so the speed tests aren't necessarily meaningful when they're all pegged at ~600kB/s :)
00:10<@caker>more bacon than the pan can handle
00:10<path->Mmmmmm bacon
00:10<Battousai>well my residential connection pulls 1.08MB/s from it
00:11<guinea-pig>utility man
00:11<Battousai>only 1.53MB/s from a dallas linode
00:12<@caker>Battousai: using what? scp?
00:13<Battousai>tailing aaron
00:14<m0unds_>i consistently get 2.5-2.7MB/s from my dallas linode to my house
00:14<guinea-pig>it's not healthy to live in a datacenter
00:14<m0unds_>the air's cleaner than home
00:14*Bdragon finishes editing his motd...
00:15<Battousai>i only get 78KB/s with my phone
00:15<m0unds_>which carrier?
00:15<Battousai>stupid cingular
00:15<Battousai>well att now
00:15<Bdragon>Somehow I think the tcp stack is size optimized on such a device :P
00:15<guinea-pig>i thought cingular was the new att
00:15<m0unds_>i like at&t
00:15<Battousai>plus it's not a 3G phone
00:15<m0unds_> / cingular
00:16<Battousai>so i'm using EDGE GPRS
00:16<m0unds_>how can you get 78KB/s on edge?
00:16<Bdragon>I live on the edge of an analog cell.
00:16<path->my download speed is 177k
00:16<Bdragon>I don't even get a SIGNAL from my room...
00:16<Battousai>good point
00:16<Bdragon>Also, my battery life sucks :P
00:16<m0unds_>since edge is like 200kbit/s
00:16<Battousai>media player must be Kbit
00:16<m0unds_>yeah, sounds like it
00:16<m0unds_>i only miss my 3g phone when i need to tether..which isn't often anymore
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00:17<m0unds_>in albuquerque, i was getting 1.3-1.6mbit/s via 3g
00:17<Battousai>they charge insane rates for tethering...
00:17<Battousai>it's a joke
00:17<m0unds_>i used to need it for work
00:17<m0unds_>now i don't :D
00:18<bd_>ooh, some high rollers moved in already (one 1080 and one 1440 taken in newark)
00:18<linbot>Battousai: Newark360 - 72, Newark540 - 30, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
00:18<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 7, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
00:18<Battousai>gonna need two lines for that soon
00:18*path- pokes mwalling
00:18<jetlag>hmmm uh oh io_tokens=-99
00:20<jetlag>giant tarball of death
00:20<Bdragon>I didn't even know you could GO negative...
00:21<irgeek>You go negative briefly when your io gets stopped.
00:22<irgeek>caker: Do you know when rDNS will be up in Newark?
00:23<path->i set mine, but it hasn't shown up yet
00:24<exor674>okay, I shouldn't be messing with reconfiguring servers when I'm tired haha
00:24<maqr>now what broke
00:24<exor674>I spent ages messing with a config file wondering "why aren't you listening n the ports"
00:24<exor674>I still had it binding to the old IP
00:24<jetlag>someone has given me magic powers :o
00:25<maqr>why is my ATL server down?
00:25<Battousai>i once spent all night rewriting a dhcpd config
00:25<Battousai>turned out to be the wrong server
00:25<Battousai>worked better afterwards though
00:26<jetlag>and... gone! but thanks
00:26<maqr>uhh, anyone else having problems in atlanta?
00:26<@tasaro>maqr: what's wrong?
00:26<maqr>wait, it's back
00:26<irgeek>My Atlanta Linode is working fine...
00:27<maqr>i guess some route got fucked up
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00:32<jetlag>on one hand newark is closer to me
00:32<path->i think everyone downloaded the tailing aaron thing at once.. my graph shows a peak of 7.5M
00:33<jetlag>on the other hand, something tells me I'd be sharing the server with a bunch of crazy people that wait up late at night to put in tickets to migrate to new servers
00:33<@caker>irgeek: supposedly they have it configured to pull from us but I haven't seen them axfr the zone yet. I suspect within the next 24 hours or so
00:34<bd_>caker: does rdns work for the customer zones?
00:34<@caker>one and the same
00:35<bd_>bah, you'd think they could just delegate it to ns[12] and be done with it :/
00:36<maqr>wait, newark? nj?
00:36<bd_>maqr: yep
00:36<maqr>new vps's there!/
00:36<bd_>also yep
00:36<path->what would be the normal refresh time for rdns
00:36<maqr>when can i transfer?
00:36<bd_>maqr: Right now :P
00:36<path->before they are all gone
00:36<bd_>Only 72 360s left!
00:36<maqr>72 left
00:37<maqr>i'll do it tomorrow night probably
00:37<Battousai>lol neward
00:37<maqr>you guys work saturday nights, right?
00:37<Battousai>double fail
00:37<Bdragon>maqr: Why not put in your request now?
00:37<linbot>Battousai: Newark360 - 72, Newark540 - 29, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
00:37<maqr>Bdragon: cause i'm not ready to pull down/up the server
00:37<Battousai>stupid keyboard must be moving the k around
00:38<Bdragon>maqr: The ticket is just for the migration to be configured, the firing button is still in your hands....
00:38*maqr puts in request
00:39*tasaro waits until saturday night
00:39<Bdragon>perfect :P
00:41<maqr>good thing i stopped in
00:41<maqr>i cant wait to get off this ATL server
00:41<path->why? atl was good to me
00:42<exor674>irc port, I'm guessing
00:42<maqr>my route to it drops all the time
00:42<maqr>and a week or two ago the servers went down due to lightning
00:42<maqr>plus, i'm dirty jerz
00:42<m0unds_>at least the techs in atl don't go unplugging shit
00:42<maqr>so i'll get better ping
00:43<maqr>m0unds_: where'd that happen?
00:43<m0unds_>several times
00:43<maqr>i'm running an asterisk pbx, so latency kinda matters to me
00:43<maqr>btw, where in newark is there a data center?
00:43<maqr>it's probably a smart place to put one
00:43<Battousai>cedar knolls
00:44<path->there are a couple apparently from the network map
00:44<maqr>oh, ok
00:44<@caker>it's actually about 20 miles from newark, but .. close enough
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00:44<path->i only thought there was an airport there, who knew
00:44<Battousai>close to morristown i think
00:44<@caker>supposedly 35 miles from manhattan
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00:44<maqr>i would think closer to NY would get cheaper connections
00:45<maqr>not sure why they wouldn't do it right inside newark
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00:45<Bdragon>I'd assume land prices..
00:45<bd_>most of their peerings and etc aren't actually in the newark DC
00:45<exor674>maqr: because you can't push buildings around to plop down a datacenter
00:45<maqr>exor674: you kinda can in that city
00:45<bd_>indeed, they have a number of peering arrangements in NYC
00:46<bd_>in the same company's DC in NYC that is
00:46<maqr>exor674: it'd probably be really cheap to buy land in the hood
00:46<@caker>bd_: you're in the north east, right?
00:46<bd_>caker: yeah
00:46<@caker>where about?
00:46<bd_>maine :)
00:46<bd_>25ms or so from your new DC ;)
00:46<path->must be nice up there
00:46<@caker> is calling you
00:46<path->and cool
00:47<bd_>I've been on fremont because a) port blocking is unacceptable, and b) I need redundancy vs dallas
00:47<bd_>and yeah, I'm preparing some things beforehand >.>
00:47<@caker>we made a good choice :)
00:47<maqr>caker: can you do me a quick favor and ping from the newark server?
00:48<Battousai>yes good choice
00:48<Battousai>less than three nac
00:48<bd_>less than three nac <-- ??
00:48<bd_>... oh
00:48<bd_>wow, I'm tired
00:49<maqr>caker: thanks, that's good enough
00:49<Bdragon>I confirm those figures...
00:49<@tasaro>there is a large datacenter market outside ~ 20 mile radius of NYC -- more people want to keep their data out of the city just in case
00:49<m0unds_>makes sense to me
00:49<@caker>outside the blast radius
00:49<bd_>oh yeah, I rememberthat
00:50<Bdragon>from mine was ~46.7-46.8
00:50<jetlag>don't want no cranes fallin on your datacenter
00:50<bd_>there's this ring - too far out and certain replication protocols fall apart, too close in and you're in a nuke's blast radius
00:50<@caker>because .. my blog must survive a nuclear blast
00:50<maqr>caker: i ping like 20ms from my comcast connection in central jerz btw
00:51<path->i think i'm within 50 miles of three nuke plants
00:51<path->that bothers me more than a nuke in a major city
00:51*caker bsg()
00:51<bd_>path-: nuclear power plants are historically quite safe
00:51<jetlag>I like nuke plants
00:52<bd_>there's that one chernobyl disaster that everyone remembers
00:52<path->caker, thanks!
00:52<m0unds_>and three mile island
00:52<bd_>what they don't remember is it was deliberate :/
00:52<Bdragon>you can connect to lish multiple times?
00:52<m0unds_>but those are the only two on record, iirc
00:52<Battousai>don't worry, the carbon rods protect you
00:52*Bdragon watches two cursors move...
00:52<bd_>m0unds_: three mile island had very little hazard to the surrounds in the end
00:52<path->nuke plants don't put out tons of air pollution
00:52<jetlag>cheap electricity is good
00:52<bd_>it was what, ~2 xray doses or so?
00:52<m0unds_>yeah, but it was a full meltdown of a reactor
00:52<bd_>m0unds_: and *the safeties worked*
00:52<path->but we do get fish kills i think cause they just dump the hot water in the river
00:52<@caker>Bdragon: screen -xr baby!
00:52<m0unds_>and is still classified as a major nuclear disaster by the nuclear regulatory commission
00:53<bd_>whereas in chernobyl they did everything in their power to break it
00:53<@caker>Bdragon: lish multiple times, AND the ajax console
00:53<bd_>including jamming wrenches in automatic valves!!
00:53<jetlag>yes we have fish kills too
00:53<jetlag>they suck the fish right into the cooling system
00:53<m0unds_>i want to go home
00:53<@tasaro>maqr: yeah, my mtr from south jersey goes down to va before back up to the dc
00:54<path->i use to go cliff jumping across from peach bottom
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00:56<m0unds_>the only power plants i have near me are wind and solar
00:56<bd_>migration ticket in :3
00:58<path->i wish they'd do wind here
00:58<path->better than building another coal plant
00:59<m0unds_>they're trying to do that here
00:59<m0unds_>up in northwestern nm
00:59<maqr>tasaro: most of my ping time actually comes from getting to the nearest comcast gateway
01:00<path->yay, dns kicking in
01:01<jetlag>Should I go to 4k blocksize before migrating to xen?
01:02<path->aw man
01:02<path->i was going to change that up and forgot
01:02<bd_>resize disk job started... :3
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01:05<path->think this blocksize thing is a big deal?
01:06<path->i'm wondering if a newer kernel will make it moot
01:07<sveiss>is there an 'easy' way to change it? or is it a matter of just cp -a'ing the whole filesystem to another with the right block size?
01:07<bd_>sveiss: basically it's a matter of cp -a'ing the whole filesystem over
01:07<path->-au right?
01:07<bd_> -u, --update
01:07<bd_> copy only when the SOURCE file is newer than the destination file or when the destination file is missing
01:07<bd_>*shrug* won't matter
01:08<bd_>since the destination volume will be empty
01:08<sveiss>ok, thanks
01:08<bd_>sveiss: disk space (under extras) is prorated when it's removed, so you can use that to get some extra headroom if you want to do a conversion
01:08<sveiss>yeah, is what I'm about to do
01:08<bd_>also, I wish disk resizes had a progress indicator :(
01:09<path->mine went to 25% and 50% for awhile
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01:12<zhao>pls, i just mistakely deleted my two account serveral minutes ago, is it possible to get back?
01:14<bd_>from what I've heard it's possible, get the attention of someone with an @ by their name
01:14<bob2>zhao: as in using deluser?
01:15<zhao>yep.. i found my host was immediately shut down after i delete user.. actually i only need delete one of my host.
01:15<zhao>Linode staff, please help.
01:16<bd_>pinging staff: caker tasaro mikegrb jadoba
01:16<bob2>oh, through the control panel
01:16<zhao>yep.. via the cp.
01:16<zhao>yep.. via the cp.
01:16<bd_>zhao: Don't Panic - the disk images aren't purged immediately, so there's hope :)
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01:17<zhao>ty.. but no staff response me.. sign..
01:17<zhao>ty.. but no staff response me.. sign..
01:17<zhao>sorry for duplicated msg.
01:17<path->give them a moment
01:17<bd_>zhao: don't log out
01:17<Bdragon>tasaro was seen less than 15 minutes ago
01:17<bd_>they were around ~15 minutes ag-yes
01:17<zhao>ok.. thanks.. i am worrying a lot now..
01:17<bd_>so if you're patient a bit they should be able to help you :)
01:18<zhao>thanks, hope it get solved soon.. i am waiting..
01:19<irgeek>You should probably open a ticket as that will get their attention faster.
01:19<zhao>now i cant log into the cp.
01:19<bd_>irgeek: he can't if he deleted his account
01:19<irgeek>Good point
01:20*irgeek goes to open a ticket for him...
01:20<zhao>i have two linodes, just i wanna delete one, but dont how i delete my all linodes..
01:21<irgeek>Ticket opened
01:22<@tasaro>zhao: you deleted your entire account instead of just one Linode
01:23<zhao>yup.. please help.. tasaro
01:23<zhao>i just wanna delete one of my linode.
01:24<linbot>New news from forums: New Feature - Clone a Linode to another Linode in Announcements <>
01:24<@tasaro>your data is still there.. but you'll need to wait for caker to flip your customer record back on
01:25<zhao>thanks a lot.. i am sorry for this.
01:28<@caker>zhao: log in as buzzworlds and you should be set
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01:31<nessenj>how's it goin?
01:31<Bdragon>Goin great. Did you know that there's now a fourth datacenter? :D
01:32<linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 7, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
01:32<linbot>irgeek: Linode360 - 69, Linode540 - 29, Linode720 - 27, Linode1080 - 15, Linode1440 - 10, Linode2880 - 5
01:32<exor674>haven't been added to that yet
01:32<Bdragon>I think the avail-all lalias needs updated :P
01:32<linbot>Bdragon: Newark360 - 68, Newark540 - 28, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
01:32<nessenj>yeah, i thought something weird was going on
01:32<nessenj>earlier, they were out of stock and said it would be 6/6 before things were repopulated
01:33<nessenj>ive been debating about getting another 720 and consolidating a 360 on to it
01:33<zhao>ok.. thanks.. i got my problem solved.. very quickly. :)
01:33<@caker>zhao: don't do that again :)
01:34<Bdragon>nessenj: The new datacenter is, near Newark, NJ
01:34<zhao>yep.. thanks.. Caker.
01:34<nessenj>im familiar with it
01:35<nessenj>linode needs to host in Vegas :), no natural disasters and plenty of bandwidth
01:35<bob2>and out of water in 20 years!
01:36<@tasaro>and my wife will suddenly wonder why the hosts take 3x as long to rack
01:36<irgeek>bob2: Servers don't drink much
01:36<nessenj>who cares about water
01:37<bd_>irgeek: I don't know, water cooling is used often, I hear
01:37<Bdragon>I accidentally hit sysrq...
01:37<Bdragon>how do I cancel it?
01:37<m0unds_>it'd be funny if they're using water cooling in the middle of a desert
01:38<bd_>Bdragon: just sysrq?
01:38<irgeek>!calc 4600000000 / 17000000
01:38<linbot>irgeek: 4,600,000,000 / 17,000,000 = 270.588235
01:38<Bdragon>I mean, I just managed to get the sysrq band up
01:38<Bdragon>oh, nm, I guess it just printed out help
01:38<Bdragon>I was editing a file and suddenly...
01:38<Bdragon>sshd=YESysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot tErm Full kIll saK showMem Nice showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount
01:39<bd_>Bdragon: oh, that help string is shown then it gets an unrecognized command
01:39<bd_>it's sysrq+command, not sysrq, then command
01:39<Bdragon>bd_: I was trying to edit a file.
01:39<@caker>how to free the bsd?
01:39<m0unds_> <-- i want one
01:40<Bdragon>I see
01:40<Bdragon>that's what I get for using nano in lish...
01:42<irgeek>m0unds_: "encrypted data is completely erased after eight failed password attempts" -- Don't forget your password!
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01:44<Carlos>Sup Paulie
01:44<Carlos>damn alot of ppl her huh!
01:44<paulorv>yeah man
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01:46<bd_>irgeek: Is this another one of those with the password checker running on the PC it's plugged into?
01:46<bd_>I mean, it's impossible to tell if they're lying to you :)
01:47<irgeek>Beats me. m0unds_ posted it.
01:47<gpd>ANyone care to take on a challenge: should be simple for you guys: You have an XP laptop, a Linux box, a mac laptop, an HSDPA Nokia E51 with web access, a Linksys wireless router, multiple patch cables. Explain how to setup a network such that all three machines have internet access in under 2 minutes... go! ;)
01:48<exor|zzz>gpd: step 1. find open network, step 2. profit
01:48<bd_>nokia -> XP, ICS to wireless card in ad-hoc mode, get the other machines onto said ad-hoc network
01:48<Bdragon>That should so be a tv show...
01:48<bd_>m0unds_: relevant
01:49<gpd>bd_: linux box has no wireless card: you lose. :)
01:49<bd_>gpd: Well, you didn't mention this :)
01:50<bd_>okay, crossover between linux and windows machine in that case. the mac has a wireless card, I'm sure
01:50<irgeek>gpd: Did you see the link I sent you earlier?
01:50<bd_>if the windows doesn't have it either, nokia -> XP, ICS on lan port -> linksys router, wired to linux box
01:50<gpd>irgeek: yeah - couldn't get the answer out of it in time before sleeping
01:51<gpd>bd_: that is what i was trying: nice - settings?
01:51<bd_>gpd: Well, I've never set up ICS before, so I don't know if I, /personally/ could do it in 2 minutes... :)
01:51<bd_>not have I used HSDPA
01:51<exor|zzz>I'd also turn off NAT/DHCP on the router, and just use the builtin swithc
01:51<gpd>hsdpa just appears as a modem in XP
01:52<gpd>ICS can be done to LAN and XP gives it
01:52<gpd>Using router as a switch I set it to
01:53<gpd>from Mac, with, I can see (the router) but not - the XP box and cannot see beyond it.
01:53<gpd>Stumbling block atm is - do I need to fiddle with the gateway settings on the router - or fix ICS on the XP
01:54<exor|zzz>you need to not use the WAN port on the router
01:54<gpd>exor|zzz: I don't have a patch cable unfortunately :(
01:54<gpd>I mean cross-over
01:55<exor|zzz>gpd: you don'y need cross-over
01:55<gpd>exor|zzz: but if I plug the laptop into the WAN port it says no link???
01:55<exor|zzz>*not* use the WAN pory
01:55<Bdragon>don't plug stuff into the wan port.
01:55<Bdragon>Use it like a switch.
01:55<gpd>oh - whoops - didn't read your 'not'
01:56<irgeek>gpd: Have you actually gone in and assigned to the LAN card on the XP box. Apparently Windows doesn't do that for you. Which is fscking stupid, but there you go. :)
01:56<Bdragon>it SHOULD reset when you turn on ics...
01:56<gpd>hmm .. XP says the LAN card isthat address - and ipconfig says too
01:57<Bdragon>(make sure the wireless router isn't trying to claim that address as well, btw)
01:58*Bdragon goes to sleep
01:58<gpd>bd_: just noticed that too :)
02:00<bd_>noticed what?
02:01<bd_>my migration seems to be slowing down as it goes :(
02:01<bd_>1.42 MB/s at the outset, 1023.33 KB/s now
02:02<bd_>1000 KB/s...
02:02<path->model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
02:02<path->is that a different model?
02:03<bd_>better than fremont39 was (2.00GHz)
02:03<bd_>998KB/s ;_;
02:03<path->i forget what my atlantanode was
02:03<bd_>I should stop looking at lish's jobs display, it's not good for my health
02:03<m0unds_>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5335 @ 2.00GHz
02:03<path->i changed my dns pointers while that was running
02:04<bd_>path-: that doesn't take very long though :/
02:04<bd_> Host Duration: In Progress Host Message: 36.7% done, 1:27:08 to go, 991.31 KB/s
02:04<path->register more domains!
02:04<bd_>986.67 KB/s
02:04<bd_>wow, what's going on there? :/
02:04<path->everyone is fleeing cali
02:05<path->before it falls into the ocean
02:06<bd_>still dropping oO
02:08<m0unds_>stop watching it
02:08<m0unds_>it'll go faster if you don't watch
02:09<linbot>m0unds_: *click*
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02:10<m0unds_>what webmail platform do you guys use?
02:11<path->we use horde at work, but i'm not fond of it
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02:11<m0unds_>what don't you like about horde?
02:11<path->it's a cumbersome to use
02:12<path->i think someone was working on an ajax port of it
02:12<path->it does do mobile stuff
02:13<m0unds_>i'm not a fan of ajax at all
02:13<gpd>HMG it actually works! :)
02:14<jetlag>squirrelmail does everything
02:14<jetlag>roundcubemail is spiffy looking
02:14<m0unds_>yeah, i've used squirrel for a long time
02:14<path->i tried out squirrel mail a long time ago
02:15<path->but they want shared calendars and all that stuff at work and horde has that
02:16<bd_>910.92 KB/s
02:16<m0unds_>stop watching and it'll be done before you know it
02:16<bd_>maybe I should fit a curve against this speed and see if it'll ever finish :D
02:16<jetlag>see it's all you crazy people on one box
02:16<jetlag>clogging the tubes
02:17<bd_>jetlag: there are two users on this host, I think
02:17<bd_>myself included >.>
02:17<bd_>28 Linode 540s available <--
02:17<path->how do you know?
02:17<bd_>30 - 28 = 2
02:17<@linbot>path-: Newark360 - 67, Newark540 - 28, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
02:17<@linbot>bd_: Newark360 - 67, Newark540 - 28, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
02:17<bd_>oh, clever.
02:17<path->he had to think
02:18<jetlag>those 360s are moving
02:18<@linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 7, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
02:18<jetlag>I really just wanted to say "clogging the tubes"
02:18<path->heh, the ones we freed by moving are getting filled
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02:21<Muddy>not bad
02:22<Muddy>100ms on newark from my home (Norway, Europe)
02:22<Muddy>~140-160ms to dallas and atlanta in comparison
02:22<Muddy>looks promising
02:27<Muddy>and it responds fantasticly
02:27<path->i pasted a download link aways back
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02:45<m0unds_>huh, roundcube is pretty snazzy
02:51<@linbot>path-: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:51<@linbot>bd_: Newark360 - 66, Newark540 - 28, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
02:52<path->think the 360s and 540s will be gone soon?
02:53<StevenK>I wonder if avail-all knows about Newark yet
02:55<Peng>Wow, that's a lot of 360s.
02:55<StevenK>It's only 2 hosts worth, minus a few
02:56<@linbot>Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 7, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
02:56<Internat>it woudl appear not
02:56<StevenK>So it seems.
02:56<Peng>Which data center is Newark?
02:56<Internat>the new one
02:56<Peng>I mean, which company?
02:57<StevenK>I wonder if QDVDAuthor still sucks now that I've upgraded to Hardy.
02:57<Peng>And what ports do they block?
02:57<Internat>i dont think they block ports. i imagine caker and that wouldnt go with a dc again that blocks ports
02:58<Peng>Ok, , right?
02:58<StevenK>NAC sounds right
02:58<exor|zzz>haha... most convoluted way to SSH ever
02:58<StevenK>I'm guessing Atlanta was the first DC
02:59<Peng>Internat: Yeah, but maybe if they just blocked a few . . .
02:59<exor|zzz>" ssh `dig +short` "
03:00<Internat>first dc?
03:00<Internat>atlanta was the 3rd
03:01*StevenK kicks QDVDAuthor for making him cranky
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03:02<muddy_>nope, newark does not block irc atleast :)
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03:02<Peng>What's an IP to ping/traceroute Newark?
03:02<Muddy>point proven ;)
03:04<Peng>I can ping Newark slightly faster than Dallas. If I ever get another Linode in another DC, I'll consider it. :)
03:05<StevenK>I think Newark is slower than Dallas for me.
03:05<Muddy>i already got mine ;) gives me 40-60 less ms atleast for me than dallas and atlanta gives me
03:05<bd_>I'll be there in an hour or so :)
03:06<bd_>rtt -= 80ms :D
03:08<Peng>I'm in Florida. 103ms for Dallas, 96 for Newark. Atlanta is a lot faster, of course.
03:09<Peng>(/me whines about his high ping times to anything.)
03:10<Muddy>think i might have to move my main server up to newark
03:10<Muddy>and move my new linode down to dallas instead
03:10<Hobbsee>Peng: wuss.
03:10<Muddy>would be nice to have the main server on the lowest ms
03:11<bd_>Muddy: if you already have a linode in each DC, I'd use rsync to migrate it manually, myself
03:12<bd_>it means I can keep running it while I sync (rsync while running, then stop everything for another rsync)
03:13<Muddy>well, they aren't the same size, dunno if that might give me some problems
03:13<Muddy>and dallas doesn't have any free space atm
03:13<Muddy>for my other linode
03:14<Muddy>so i'd might just cancel this new in newark and create it some other time
03:14<Muddy>just move the main server to newark
03:17<Muddy>ticket made :)
03:18<Muddy>going from ~160ms to ~105ms should be nice
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03:45<irgeek>NAC limits whois lookups on their server to 10/hour.
03:46<irgeek>Good thing I have 3 Linodes. :)
03:47<irgeek>!calc 8*254
03:47<@linbot>irgeek: 8 * 254 = 2,032
03:47<irgeek>That's a lot of potential Linodes on the new DC...
03:51<bd_>what's this calculation?
03:52<bd_>currently it looks like there are 7 production servers and 3 which are powered on but not in use (don't know which are which though)
03:52<bd_> Host Duration: In Progress Host Message: 94.4% done, 9:23 to go, 810.29 KB/s
03:53<bd_>almost there!
03:53<exor|zzz>bd_: what's the duration on that?
03:53<irgeek>bd_: Do a whois lookup on your new IP
03:54<bd_>exor|zzz: about two hours so far for an 8G fs CA->NJ
03:54<irgeek>Faster than a van full of tapes. :)
03:55<bd_>well, that phone number looks a bit odd, but I don't see what you're referring to
03:55<bd_> Phone: ((6) 09)- 59-3710
03:55<irgeek>Add 1 to the third octet and do a whois on that.
03:56<irgeek>Lather, rinse, repeat.
03:56<bd_>and ARIN wants all of those in use, right? :)
03:56<irgeek>Eventuallty, yes.
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03:57<bd_>hmm, does NAC's network do IPv6, I wonder...
03:58<irgeek>Apparently there's a tunnel broker 1ms away, but I cannot confirm that.
03:58<bd_> :(
03:59<Peng>10 whois lookups an hour? Why?
04:00<irgeek>Spammers I would guess.
04:00<bd_>so they've got 68.x (for hosts) through 75.x
04:00<bd_>which is six class C, not eight >.>
04:01<irgeek>No, it's eight.
04:01<bd_>69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 76, and bd_ is too tired for his own good
04:01<bd_>seven though, since 68 is apparently for hosts
04:03<irgeek>!calc 7*254
04:03<@linbot>irgeek: 7 * 254 = 1,778
04:03<irgeek>That's still plenty of potential Linodes. :)
04:04<bd_>!calc 7 * 253
04:04<@linbot>bd_: 7 * 253 = 1,771
04:04<bd_>take out one for the router
04:04<bd_>!calc 7 * 253 / 40
04:04<@linbot>bd_: (7 * 253) / 40 = 44.27500
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04:04<bd_>hmm, a reasonable, realistic number of hosts
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04:11<irgeek>When you factor in larger Linodes there will be more hosts. I wouldn't be surprised if there were close to 100 hosts when all the IPs run out.
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04:59<peleg>I am quite confused about configuration profiles; I am thinking about creating a new disk image for a friend, but I also want to limit his RAM and CPU usage. Well, I can limit RAMs of configuration profiles... but how is this related to disk images?
04:59<peleg>And: can I limit cpu usage of specific disk images at all?
05:01<Dave>you cant limit cpu usage
05:02<Dave>you can limit the amount of ram a profile has, but why would you?
05:03<bd_>peleg: only one configuration profile can be booted at a time
05:04<peleg>bd_: oh, I see! so I CAN create a new debian image, but I can't limit its mem or cpu usage, right?
05:04<bd_>right, and if you boot that, you'll need to shut down your other image first :)
05:04<peleg>bd_: wait, I didn't understand the last comment
05:04<bd_>well you can limit RAM but it won't do any good, since you can't run another image to use said ram
05:05<bd_>okay think of it like this
05:05<bd_>your linode is like a computer
05:05<bd_>and if you set up another configuration profile, you've set it up for dual-booting
05:05<bd_>when you boot it, you can choose any one profile to boot
05:05<peleg>like windows and linux on the same computer
05:05<bd_>but you need to shut down before changing to another
05:05<bd_>you can't run both at the same time
05:06<peleg>so why would I choose - ever - less than max ram??
05:06<bd_>you /could/ run UML inside your linode to further subdivide it, but that's rather complex.
05:06<irgeek>peleg: But you can add a second Linode to your account. :)
05:06<bd_>peleg: For testing, I guess :P
05:06<peleg>bd_: I see. irgeek: sure I can :-)
05:06<bd_>"Hmm, what happens if my app is low on ram? *test* *swap thrashing* Oh dear, I should fix that."
05:07<peleg>the whole point was to save money. I will get (maybe) 5 GB for free, so I thought to give some to a friend.
05:07<peleg>won't happen! :-)
05:07*bd_ wonders if there's a PAM module to set cpu affinity - that's one way to limit CPU use
05:08<peleg>by the way,
05:08<peleg>256MB Swap Image is by default, right? no need to change that
05:08<bd_>thats the default, yeah
05:08<irgeek>If you need swap, you've got problems.
05:08<irgeek>Doh! If you need more swap...
05:09<peleg>irgeek: why? my local machine always uses swap, even more than 256mb
05:09<bd_>% uptime; free -m
05:09<bd_> 05:09:05 up 100 days, 23:55, 16 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
05:09<bd_> total used free shared buffers cached
05:09<bd_>Mem: 347 335 12 0 26 100
05:09<bd_>-/+ buffers/cache: 208 139
05:09<bd_>Swap: 256 66 190
05:09<bd_>^^^ not my linode, but a friend's
05:09<peleg>Swap: 255 47 208
05:09<bd_>peleg: server != desktop though, but a certain level of swap usage is healthy
05:09<bd_>you don't want your working set swapped, is the key
05:09<peleg>I see.
05:09<bd_>so eg, swapping out init? fine
05:10<bd_>swapping out apache? bad news.
05:10<irgeek>Swap: 128 0 128
05:10<peleg>well, I have:
05:10<peleg>Mem: 347 335 12
05:10<peleg>which looks quite bad, now that I think of it.
05:10<bd_>first line doesn't mean anything
05:10<bd_>because of the cache
05:10<bd_>look at the -/+ buffers/cache line of free -m
05:11<bd_>peleg: cache can be freed instantly if needed
05:11<peleg> total used free shared buffers cached
05:11<peleg>Mem: 347 335 12 0 48 129
05:11<peleg>-/+ buffers/cache: 157 190
05:11<peleg>oh, I see
05:11<irgeek>-/+ buffers/cache: 230 129
05:11<bd_>so the kernel goes and uses all but 5-10% of physical RAM for buffers and cache
05:11<peleg>so actually I have 140 free, in general?
05:11<peleg>oh, yes...
05:11<bd_>buffers are basically the same thing as cache :)
05:12<bd_>peleg: the 190 there counts the 12 mb of actually-free RAM
05:12<bd_>there's also reclaimable slab memory
05:12<bd_>SReclaimable in /proc/meminfo
05:12<bd_>that's actually the first to go
05:12<bd_>it's truly unused, it's just the kernel hasn't gotten around to freeing it yet :)
05:12<bd_>(because freeing memory takes time, and slab operations are extremely performance-critical)
05:13<peleg>looks healthy
05:13<bd_>note that the SReclaimable statistic is a recent addition, and may or may not be in your kernel. But it's usually not much bigger than the actually-free component
05:14*bd_ goes to sleep now :)
05:14<peleg>so, if I have 190 mb ram free, and 0.03% bandwidth usage, and usually less than 1% cpu, and 13% HD usage, I shouldn't consider upgrading :-)
05:14<peleg>bd_: good night!
05:15<peleg>too bad I can't give some to a friend.
05:15<peleg>subletting is not possible.
05:16*peleg is also leaving now. (he thanks everyone)
05:17<irgeek>peleg: It depends on what you mean by subletting. Web space, sure. Email space, sure. A whole server environment, you need another Linode.
05:28<peleg>irgeek: thanks. how can I let web space? using quota?
05:29<irgeek>Or just make a disk image the size you want them limited to and mount it at their DocumentRoot.
05:30<peleg>lost you.
05:30<peleg>what do you mean "mount it"?
05:30<irgeek>Uh, mount. Like you do with all disk images.
05:31<irgeek>mount /dev/xxxx /wherever/you/want/it/to/be
05:31<peleg>irgeek: ok, I guess I should read about it a bit.
05:31<peleg>irgeek: I am not familiar even with the terms
05:31<peleg>do you know of a good place to start?
05:31<irgeek>The man page?
05:32<peleg>man mount?
05:32<jimcooncat>and read on the file system hierarchy
05:32<jimcooncat>so you know where you're mounting to
05:32<peleg>but then - how will I be able to let my friend ssh into that mounted disk image?
05:34<irgeek>Your friend sshes to your Linode and you give his account access to write files there.
05:34<peleg>irgeek: but if
05:34<jimcooncat>peleg, you could mount their image at /home/friend
05:34<peleg>jimcooncat: oh, and then they'll need their own user password to ssh into the disk image.
05:35<Dave>yeah, add them a user account with adduser
05:36<peleg>Dave: cool. after they login - how will it be? just like an empty webspace, or will it be like a new clean debian just for them? (for installation of apache etc.)
05:36<Dave>it will be like logging in to your own user account...
05:36<irgeek>peleg: They aren't sshing "to the disk image"! You're just add disk space at a specific path. It's like making your a: drive a subdirectory of you c: drive.
05:37<peleg>irgeek: oh, I see; but in that case the "a" drive is not empty, it is a debian (or other) full installation, isn't it?
05:37<Dave>its empty
05:37<irgeek>It's just space.
05:37<peleg>I thought that "Debian 4.0 Disk Image (ext3)" includes an OS.
05:37<peleg>and every other "image" is another OS.
05:38<Dave>no, they are like partitions on a hard disk
05:38<Dave>one of them obviously has your operating system
05:38<peleg>I thought that that is what linode claims - that you can have both debian and ubuntu and radhat on the same linode, on different images
05:38<irgeek>If you deploy a Linux image to it, it's got the files for that distro. Having the files does not mean you can boot it.
05:39<irgeek>You can, but you can only boot one image at a time.
05:39<peleg>oh, I see.
05:39<jimcooncat>irgeek, using disk images is a quick way to give users a quota?
05:40<peleg>ok, so why not using quota? isn't it simpler? I will just let them log into /home/user, give them an enabled site from my apache configuration, and use quota to limit them!
05:40<Dave>peleg: if you already know how to do that, then it is easier
05:40<peleg>Dave: well, I don't; but I can read about it
05:41<irgeek>jimcooncat: Yeah. Mount an image as their web/home/whatever directory and they can't write more to it than the size of the image.
05:41<jimcooncat>peleg, you'll probably want to give them a /home/user/www directory so you can set up apache ahead of time to serve from that.
05:42<jimcooncat>then it will be obvious where their website files go
05:43<peleg>jimcooncat: sure. so: in that case, quota would be simpler, right?
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05:44<jimcooncat>peleg, not really, irgeek's method is really simple to implement
05:45<irgeek>Quotas are more difficult to set up, but are more flexible. You can easily change a quota, but you need to reboot to resize an image.
05:45<peleg>but any time I implement it, I have to resize my own disk image, and that mean I have to backup everything before and so on
05:45<jimcooncat>might run into problems if you want to give them more space later, though
05:45<peleg>yes, so quota sounds more like it.
05:45<peleg>I think I will learn about it.
05:46<bob2>eh, disk quotas are easy to set up
05:47<jimcooncat>peleg, if you don't want your friend looking at your own files, you may want to check permissions -- for instance, default Ubuntu allows them to look at any file in /home/peleg
05:48<peleg>I think that in my debian they will be able to read my whole system easily
05:49<jimcooncat>usually not a problem on a linode, as we don't keep any dirty secrets on them -- right guys?
05:49*irgeek hides his dirty secrets
05:50*jimcooncat encrypts dirty secrets with luggage combination 1234
05:52*irgeek steals jimcooncat's luggage
05:57*jimcooncat says, "Darn!"
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06:42<maggot>maggot here
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06:44<maggot>hi there
06:51<Peng>Hi, hello, good morning, hello, lol.
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08:09<sveiss__>bah.. it seems I can have an ipv6 tunnel, or an outgoing VPN connection, but not both
08:09*sveiss__ shakes fist at ISP-supplied routers
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08:59<zhao>hi all, i have multiple linode, if i remove a linode from linode manager, is that means i have successfully remove one linode from my account? i checked i still have two users. ur suggestions welcome.
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09:00<@caker>zhao: yes.
09:01<@caker>zhao: the users remained because they were created before this was released:
09:02<zhao>ok..ty, does linode support paypal right now? or will support paypal?
09:02<mattbnz>caker: one bug I noticed but haven't got around to filing yet
09:02<@caker>zhao: no we do not, and it's likely we will never
09:03<mattbnz>I deleted our second username, so we now only have one username that shows up in the web manager
09:03<mattbnz>but, to login via lish, I still have to use the old (deleted) username
09:03<zhao>ok. got it, no problem with me.. :) ty, caker..
09:03<@caker>mattbnz: yeah -- all Linodes have a user on the host (that won't change)
09:03<@caker>mattbnz: for pre-Linode Manager-2.0 (or whatever), it inherited the username of the account
09:04<@caker>mattbnz: now, all Lish usernames are generated by the system
09:05<mattbnz>ok, not a big issue, just confused me for a few minutes when I went to login to lish with the new 'merged' username :)
09:06<Peng>As someone who hasn't created a Linode with the new manager, what will be used as the lish username now? Do you create a user during the creation process?
09:06<@caker>Peng: linodeNNNN
09:06<Peng>Ew. Can we set good usernames?
09:06<@caker>Sure, for the LPM. Not for Lish
09:07<Peng>That sucks.
09:07<Peng>I have enough trouble remembering I'm on "dallas62".
09:08<mattbnz>is your friend
09:08<@caker>no kidding...
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09:08<bob2>~/.ssh/config -> Host pengslishconsole \n Hostname Username lish12341234
09:09<Peng>I think I used to have useful aliases in my .ssh/config, but I lost it once, and didn't do that in the new one.
09:09<bob2>if only there was some sort of software that could handle distributed versions of your dotfiles ;)
09:10<Peng>If only there was some sort of software that could handle laziness. :)
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09:14<mwalling_>path-: why am i getting poked?
09:23<@linbot>Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 2, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 7, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 66, Newark540 - 27, Newark720 - 20, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
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09:26<Peng>"!avail-all" is a data center or two from getting too long.
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09:28<mwalling_>caker: guess you cant move into any more dc's
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09:31<@linbot>New news from forums: So tell me about this new Newark, NJ datacenter in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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10:08<@linbot>New news from blog: New Datacenter: Newark, NJ <>
10:09<HoopyCat>"Fat pipes, null routes, and my Cancel Customer button." <3
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10:24<HoopyCat>anyone in newark yet? i'd be interested in a traceroute to from newark
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10:25<HoopyCat>(a long-term dubious scheme)
10:25<JDLSpeedy>good work guys
10:25<purrdeta>I am in newark :P
10:27<HoopyCat>delicious. thanks, purrdeta :-)
10:27<purrdeta>np :)
10:32<purrdeta>I am loving newark so far
10:32<HoopyCat>it's deliciously regional
10:32<purrdeta>It is not at all close to me :P
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10:32<purrdeta>I migrated from dallas (where I live) to newark
10:34<HoopyCat>i'm considering it
10:34<purrdeta>it took 2 hours for the migration
10:35<purrdeta>I should have resized the disk images before the move... but you know... I dont think ;)
10:35<HoopyCat>if i do it, i might do an intra-datacenter clone to a new linode, then migrate that new one, then whip up some redirects, etc
10:36<tjfontaine>purrdeta: why did you move from TP?
10:37<@caker> :)
10:38<tjfontaine>why the separation for 9 and 10?
10:38<tjfontaine>different power?
10:38<@caker>banks of 8 for power, yeah
10:38<purrdeta>partly because I like new stuff... like to try out different things... Also, my friend hates the planet... not sure why but he uses my linode a LOT so I figure I would do it for him too.
10:39<purrdeta>caker: nice :P
10:39<@caker>the setup we're in is their High Density area -- each cabinet has an exhaust out the back that goes directly into the intake of their chillers
10:39<tjfontaine>caker: is nac nicer for power as well?
10:39<jvaughan>are block sizes < 4096k bad news on xen?
10:39<@caker>tjfontaine: yeah, up to 15kwatt per cabinet !!
10:40<@caker>the empty spaces in the front get blockers, so all the cooling is forced to go through the machines, and there's no contaimination fromm the hot exhaust
10:40<@caker>it was _cold_ in there. Really, really cold.
10:41<@caker>Also, about 60mph winds :)
10:41<@caker>it blew my access card right out of my hand when we first got in
10:41<@caker>took a while to find it
10:42<@caker>thae HD room made the rest of the datacetner feel hot (and was probably like 65f)
10:42<HoopyCat>alex has more clue in his pinky toe than i have in my entire body
10:42<@caker>jvaughan: from what I can tell, it depends on workload .. but it's rare
10:45<JDLSpeedy>caker: you planning to keep all 4 DC's?
10:45<@caker>JDLSpeedy: yup
10:46<JDLSpeedy>must be nice to have a DC in your area
10:46<purrdeta>hmm newark is fun lol
10:47<JDLSpeedy>purrdeta: how so?
10:47<tjfontaine>someone needs to update the map :)
10:47<@tasaro>it's not actually in newark.. that's just the nearest city everyone would recognize
10:48<purrdeta>speedy, even for me in Dallas! That and it is new... newness makes everything more fun
10:48*tasaro would not want to park with all that gear in certain areas of Newark
10:48<CDMoyer>man, I need to migrate. 90% faster from newark.
10:48<CDMoyer>(makes sense... comapred to my current fremont home... from buffalo)
10:48<mwalling_>has !download been updated for newark?
10:49<CDMoyer>IP will change if I migrate, right?
10:49<path->nice pics
10:50<CDMoyer>hmm, to smooth that, I want to crank the TTL (DNS) down, right? to like, 1 hour?
10:50<CDMoyer>and then wait a day for that to propogate before migrating?
10:51<@caker>depends on what the ttl is now
10:51<CDMoyer>it's 1 day
10:52<purrdeta>long time...
10:52<mwalling_>newark is almost 100k/s faster for me
10:53<path->mwalling, i poked you cause avail-all wasn't working at the time
10:53<mwalling_>blah blah blah
10:53<mwalling_>needy uesers
10:53<path->well, you did set it up :)
10:55<Peng>Hmm, in Florida, Newark is maybe a teensy bit faster. My ADSL is enough of a limit that most things are just about equally fast...
10:56<Peng>Who's in charge of linbot?
10:59<HoopyCat>linbot is above the law
11:02<ang>newark actually had fater ping times for me, but was quite slower onthe d/l tests
11:10*path- updated wikipedia
11:11<JDLSpeedy>Newark was faster then any of the others and I live in Florida
11:15<tjfontaine>ping wise from home they're all the same for me
11:16<Peng>JDLSpeedy: Interesting. How much faster? For me, it's a teensy bit faster (ping and speed-wise) than Dallas, and I haven't tried Atlanta.
11:17<JDLSpeedy>peleg: afew seconds
11:18<JDLSpeedy>360 KB/s(NJ), 358KB/s(ATL), 356KB/s(TX), 351KB/s(CA)
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11:20<JDLSpeedy>73ms(NJ), 56ms(ATL), 76ms(TX), 118ms(CA)
11:20<Peng>Your connection is way faster than mine.
11:20<JDLSpeedy>i only have a 3Mbps connection
11:21<Peng>I only have a 1.5 Mbps connection, and it has oddly high latency too.
11:22<Peng>"ooo"? Like, a museum "wow, I didn't know any of those were still around!" "ooo"?
11:22<JDLSpeedy>my dad has a 1.5Mbps
11:22<Peng>Poor guy.
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12:04<mwalling>2008-05-31 12:01:05-0400 [LogBot,client] [12:01:05] Nabbed a SOB: - 2008-05-31 16:01:03
12:07<mwalling>caker: the XML stats... what user name do they use now? the lish name, the name in the dashboard, or my login that i used?
12:09*path- thinks lish name
12:10<path->just a guess
12:10*mwalling does too, but isnt sure
12:10<mwalling>i get denied when i use the name in the dashboard
12:10<path->i was pleasantly surprised i didn't get a linodeNN name when i migrated
12:14<mwalling>CaptObviousman, jkwood, BP{k}, straterra, other slackers in dallas... is there a desire for 12.1?
12:14<mwalling>i've used 6 out of 300 GB, i'll be more then happy to pull it
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12:30<HoopyCat>mwalling: f.x. matt in utica is out of commission due to a major fire -- stock up on saranac now
12:31<mwalling>f.x. matt?
12:31<mwalling>wife just cought me up
12:31<mwalling>good thing she hates it :)
12:33<HoopyCat>i've had more than my share of saranac pale ale
12:36<ang>mwalling: this slack in CT says yes
12:36<mwalling>ang: you in dallas though?
12:36<ang>no :P
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13:17<fanthomas>what's some IP in Newark DC? would like to ping or traceroute from europe
13:17<sveiss> is mine, on host newark2
13:18<mwalling>fanthomas: ^^
13:18<path-> though newark10 i think
13:19<fanthomas>156ms average from my place
13:19<purrdeta>I am on newark2! yay :)
13:20<Peng>What's the "!avail-xx" for Newark?
13:21<@linbot>mwalling: Newark360 - 60, Newark540 - 25, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
13:21<Peng>Oh. Duh.
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13:25<Peng>I bet some of the available Linodes in the other DCs are due to migrations. Huh.
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13:49<@linbot>New news from forums: Download File Speed Test in Performance and Tuning <>
13:51<purrdeta>I would imagine so
13:56<mwalling> now has slackware-12.1 for your upgrading pleasure in dallas
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14:01<@linbot>Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 4, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 6, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Atlanta360 - 2, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 59, Newark540 - 25, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
14:02<path->wow, is that like 20 360's in a 12 hour period?
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14:03<irgeek>It looks like there were at least 6 migrations from other DCs.
14:04<Peng>Who runs linbot?
14:05<Deetz>Newark is nice speeds
14:06<Peng>Your is confusing sentence structure. :)
14:06<@linbot>New news from forums: upgrade from Slackware-12.0 to Slackware 12.1 in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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16:06<mwalling>tasaro: the images from ... they still sitting around somewhere?
16:10<@caker>I wonder if there's a way to determine which kjournald process goes with which mount
16:10<@caker>screwing around with ionice stuff
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16:40<@linbot>An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. , Fremont360 - 4, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 6, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 59, Newark540 - 22, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4
16:41<jdroid->I just signed up with linode. I have deployed an OS. What is my next step? Ssh doesn't seem to respond.
16:41<bd_>jdroid-: did you boot it? :)
16:41<irgeek>Did you boot the Linode?
16:42<jdroid->Nope. Trying.
16:42<jdroid->is root the only account enabled at first?
16:43<irgeek>Your Linode right now is a blank canvas (of whatever distro you deployed) waiting to be configured as you see fit.
16:44<jdroid->this is great. i was with phpwebhosting for a while and figured it was time to get my own host somewhere. you guys are making it super easy.
16:45<Peng>phpwebhosting? That brings back memories... Very few, and they're a bit negative though.
16:45<irgeek>Linode is awesome. Over the last five years they have treated me very well.
16:50<praetorian>hears to slapping irgeek around for the next 5
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16:53<Alucard>are there any promotions going right now?
16:54<tjfontaine>we promote you buying a linode
16:54<Alucard>well I dunno, got any deals going?
16:54<mwalling>Alucard: mmmcake gets you free setup
16:55<praetorian>pay for 12 months and get extra disk space
16:55<Alucard>I thought that was bundled >(
16:55<Alucard>could you be lying to me!??!!?
16:55<mwalling>Alucard: yes :)
16:55<mwalling>Alucard: but praetorian speaks the truth
17:04<Battousai>god damnit i did it again
17:05<@linbot>Battousai: Newark360 - 57, Newark540 - 22, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4
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17:05<Battousai>so how many hosts did they put in last night?
17:07<@linbot>tjfontaine: Newark360 - 57, Newark540 - 22, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4
17:07<Battousai>listen pal
17:07<Battousai>i do things the incorrect way
17:07<Battousai>that's how i roll
17:10<jdroid->any ubuntu users in here?
17:10<Peng>No, we all use Slackware.
17:11<jdroid->do you guys go by ubuntu packages for everything? db, web server, etc?
17:11<tjfontaine>yes yes yes
17:11<irgeek>I certainly do. Maintaining packages is not worth my time.
17:11<jdroid->excellent. i haven't taken on an sa role in a long time.
17:11<Peng>jdroid-: About the only thing I run on my Linode is Lighttpd, and I use the Ubuntu package. But I've been testing the 1.5 svn, and I had to compile it myself...
17:13<irgeek>I run web, mail and a small DNS server, all with Ubuntu standard packages.
17:13<jdroid->Any experience with django packages in ubuntu?
17:13<jdroid->What mail servers are good now?
17:13<purrdeta>irgeek: what mail server you use.
17:13<jdroid->I used to use postfix
17:13<tjfontaine>Battousai: contrarian
17:14<Battousai>well not really
17:14<Battousai>contrarian would've been qmail
17:14<irgeek>postfix + cyrus imaps & pop3s
17:14<Peng>WINE + Exchange?
17:14<Alucard>postfox, courier
17:14<Alucard>fix too
17:14<irgeek>MySQL backen for auth on both postfix & cyrus
17:14<Battousai><3 dovecot
17:14<jdroid->i was thinking of going with postgres for the db
17:15<Battousai>the - makes that incredibly confusing
17:15<irgeek>I've been thinking about moving to dovecot, but the conversion of mail stores is a non trivial task.
17:15<purrdeta>sorry, I seem to be a broken record all of the sudden
17:15<tjfontaine>irgeek: from what?
17:16<jdroid->purrdeta lolzz
17:16<irgeek>From cyrus to dovecot
17:16<Battousai>how is it stored with cyrus?
17:16<tjfontaine>how does cyrus store them?
17:16<tjfontaine>(my guess is dovecot already has a means to support it anyway)
17:17<irgeek>It doesn't. Cyrus uses a quasi-maildir format, but the index files are all proprietary. There are a few programs to do the conversion, but most were written to translate one mailstore and require tweaking for other environments.
17:18<tjfontaine>what's in the indexes?
17:20<irgeek>IMAP IDs for one thing. If they don't match, IMAP clients will re-download the entire mailbox. Not too convenient considering every user on my server has a mailbox over 500MB.
17:21<Battousai>thats a lot of lkml
17:21<mwalling>i dont think you want to use ubuntu's django package... from running through the tutorials it seemed aparent that $latestRelease != $whatsGood
17:21<jdroid->mwalling: that's what i was worried about. thanks.
17:22<tjfontaine>I'm sure there's a PPA tracking the important stuff
17:26<jdroid->PPA? Is that like a trouble-ticket?
17:27<irgeek>Personal Package Archive:
17:34<Alucard>oh gosh you're gonna charge me $0.97 for ordering at 5PM on the last day of the month
17:34<jdroid->thems the breaks
17:34<jdroid->it could be funnier if you wait until later tonight
17:35<irgeek>jdroid-: Linode charges per-day, so it wouldn't be less later.
17:36<Peng>They'd lose money if you ordered right at the end and were charged $0.12.
17:36<Alucard>how so, CC fees?
17:37<Alucard>after the 21st of a month you get charged for the next month on signup
17:37<Peng>Oh, really?
17:37<Alucard>yes *points to page he's on*
17:37<mwalling>yes really
17:37<Peng>That makes sense.
17:37*Peng wanders off.
17:37<Alucard>so they're gonna charge me $30.92 when I click Complete Order :4
17:37<path->i think most merchants have to pay cc fees as well, so it might as well be worth it to them
17:38<irgeek>I think /all/ merchants have to pay cc fees. ;)
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17:38<path->not necessarily :)
17:39<path->i think some state's make deals with banks to keep them in state and get major discounts on cc fees in return
17:39<Alucard>when in the signup process do I pick my datacenter?
17:39<irgeek>Alucard: When you deploy your first Linode.
17:40<jdroid->sometimes cc companies take a loss because they want to make sure their customers aren't turned away at stores
17:40<jdroid->this is true in cases where visa or mastercard might already be accepted so the store doesn't require service from amex
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17:43<irgeek>And some merchants *cough*Costco*cough* just tell the CC card companies where they can stuff their fees and only accept debit/atm style cards.
17:43<Alucard>IRC client for Emacs
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17:45<path->i am of the opinion that groceries and costco stuff shouldn't be put on credit
17:45<path->i'm sure they do it for cutting costs though
17:47<irgeek>Well, if you think about it, CCs have a lot to do with the current state of US economy.
17:49<Alucard>huh. are accounts not activated immediatly? I got an email with thanks for my payment, but I can't log in. I'm pretty sure I'm typing my password right..
17:50<irgeek>People have been putting silly things on CCs and (usually) paying them off over time, thereby enriching banks and impoverishing themselves. If people saved for luxury items instead of paying interest on them, we probably wouldn't be in the debt crisis we're in now.
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17:50<jetlag>accounts are activated manually
17:50<irgeek>Alucard: Accounts are activated manually to avoid fraud. It is usually very quick.
17:50<path->true, i can't stomach buying groceries on a 20% interest rate
17:51<path->or stomach the idea of that..
17:51<praetorian>hang on
17:51<praetorian>i missed something here
17:52<irgeek>Alucard: The available Linodes have been going down all day, so someone is handling activations.
17:52<purrdeta>read the blog praetorian :P
17:52<path->if you save money to buy some special item, it'll mean more to you after working for it over time
17:52<irgeek>praetorian: Big news today.
17:52<praetorian>but i only just got up
17:52<@linbot>Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 3, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 6, Fremont1080 - 2, Fremont1440 - 1, Fremont2880 - 1 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 58, Newark540 - 21, Newark720 - 17, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4
17:52<praetorian>well, almost 150 minutes ago
17:53<path->i think there were 80 some 360's in newark when they started
17:53<path->that's not a round number
17:53<irgeek>I think Linode used the first three for DC administration tasks.
17:53*path- thinks those three are caker's
17:54<@linbot>mwalling: Host not found.
17:55<irgeek>I think these were the original numbers: 360 - 80, 540 - 30, 720 - 20, 1080 - 15, 1440 - 10, 2880 - 5
17:55<praetorian>that many.
17:56<path->it just sounds like someone lit a 1/4 stick of dynamite
17:57<Alucard>Host Load: idle
17:57<jetlag>Oh, what size did you get?
17:58<mwalling>jetlag: math++ 17:34 < Alucard> oh gosh you're gonna charge me $0.97 for ordering at 5PM on the last day of the month
17:58<praetorian>im tempted to move my atlanta one now
17:59<jetlag>!calc 31*$0.97
17:59<@linbot>jetlag: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:00<praetorian>!calc 31*0.97
18:00<@linbot>praetorian: 31 * 0.97 = 30.07
18:00<irgeek>Rounding error.
18:00<jetlag>!calc 31*0.97 USD
18:00<@linbot>jetlag: 31 * 0.97 U.S. dollars = 30.07 U.S. dollars
18:00<Battousai>could be internet sales tax
18:00<praetorian>!calc 31*0.97 USD to AUD
18:00<@linbot>praetorian: 31 * 0.97 U.S. dollars = 31.5067058 Australian dollars
18:00<irgeek>!calc 29.95/31
18:00<@linbot>irgeek: 29.95 / 31 = 0.966129032
18:01<irgeek>See, rounding error.
18:02<Battousai>linode is making a killing off that .3+ cent rounding
18:02<Battousai>i bet that's how they can afford to pay mikegrb
18:02<mwalling>!calc 29.95/30
18:02<irgeek>The rounding errors get funneled to caker's off-shore account.
18:02<@linbot>mwalling: 29.95 / 30 = 0.998333333
18:02<path->being that they prorate to the nearest day and everyone else prorates to the nearest month.. i don't think it's that much of a killing
18:02<mwalling>!calc 29.95/28
18:02<@linbot>mwalling: 29.95 / 28 = 1.06964286
18:03<jetlag>user acct =- 0.97, linode acct =+ 0.966, caker acct =+ 0.004
18:03<mwalling>better do your TPS reports
18:03<path->this isn't a gas station now..
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18:04<praetorian>no, if it was, it would be user account = -30million
18:04<irgeek>For every 1000 signups caker makes $4! Every 3000 signups, he goes to see a movie. Alone.
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18:04<praetorian>and thats how he likes it
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18:07<Toba>I would hope caker makes more money than that
18:07<praetorian>he does
18:08<praetorian>he gets 0.10c from the linode account
18:08<jetlag>office space/superman 3 joke
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18:13*irgeek calculates the total amount he's paid to Linode
18:13<irgeek>Looks to me like it's enough to pay for a whole host. Maybe two.
18:14<irgeek>Actually, Linode tricks the hosts out with lots-o-ram so probably one.
18:16<exor|zzz>irgeek: yeah, but the colo fees on the host you coulda bought woulda been evil I bet
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18:18<irgeek>Considering 5 years ago the cheapest 1U CoLo in a decent DC I could find was $200+, I'm inclined to agree.
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18:23<DjChain>someone here who can give support on loggin problems (regarding new account)
18:24<path->the people with @'s work for linode. but if you just bought one, you may need to wait for manual activation which normally happens quickly
18:24<irgeek>DjChain: If you just signed up, new Linode accounts are activated manually to avoid fraud. It's usually pretty quick.
18:25<DjChain>okey :) since i got the mail recipe after paying and stuff, but my login dont work :)
18:25<irgeek>We need to teach linbot about activation.
18:25<irgeek>DjChain: You'll get another email when activation occurs.
18:25<DjChain>okey :)
18:26<DjChain>then i'll just waity
18:26*HoopyCat returns from geohashing
18:26<irgeek>HoopyCat: Anyone there?
18:27<path->is that like geocaching?
18:27<HoopyCat>irgeek: there were five of us. good location.
18:28<irgeek>Wow. I'm impressed.
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18:29<irgeek>path-: The wiki link at the top explains what the map is all about.
18:29<path->the meetup location near me is in the middle of the delaware bay
18:29<HoopyCat>irgeek: last saturday was a fire hydrant at elmwood and clover, this saturday was a grassy knoll for sale a couple miles from hill cumorah
18:30<HoopyCat>irgeek: for a graticule that is 82% water, we're doing pretty good
18:30<path->it's not 82%
18:31<path->wait, what are you talking about?
18:31<HoopyCat>path-: the rochester graticule, which is roughly from the 401 to I-90 :-)
18:33<irgeek>Denver is right where four graticule corners meet. I'm just barely inside the SE one, but the SW one seems to get more action.
18:34<irgeek>Of course, not having a car makes it more difficult to meet up with others.
18:34<irgeek>As does my completely anit-social attitude. :)
18:39<irgeek>Wow. Amazon EC2 has gotten much more powerful recently. Still not a replacement for my Linodes though.
18:40<irgeek>Though they look much more useful for doing rsync type backups now...
18:44<bd_>Once the persistent storage is out, it'll be a lot more attractive... linode's a better price point for me though :P
18:45<mwalling>!calc 2100 GBP in USD
18:45<@linbot>mwalling: 2,100 British pounds = 4,155.69 U.S. dollars
18:45<irgeek>Stupid weak dollar!
18:45<praetorian>!calc 1 GBP to AUD
18:45<@linbot>praetorian: 1 British pound = 2.07344929 Australian dollars
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18:55<jetlag>!calc 4.00 usd per gallon in gbp per liter
18:55<@linbot>jetlag: 4.00 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.533977568 British pounds per liter
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19:30<irgeek>Anyone here remember the command to find out what libraries a binary links against?
19:33<irgeek>The Ubuntu bacula-fd doesn't have openssl enabled. :( I don't relish sticking unencrypted backups on S3
19:37<irgeek>Apparently it's a licensing issue. :\
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19:38<tjfontaine>bacula doesn't have a gpg option?
19:39<mendel>irgeek: i don't know bacula, but I'd think openssl would encrypt the stream, and not the stored backups.
19:40<tjfontaine>mendel: the saving of a file doesn't appear as a file stream? ;)
19:40<irgeek>Bacula uses openssl to encrypt the backups on the client before sending the data to the storage system. :)
19:41<mendel>tjfontaine: Well, I meant the tcp stream specifically.
19:41<mendel>But I follow :)
19:42<bob2>apt-get source bacula ; add --enable-ssl to configure call in debian/rules ; dch -i "openssul sucks" ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -uc -rfakeroot
19:45<tjfontaine>man reading this bacula+openssl thread is painful
19:51<Toba>bacula is painful
19:51<Toba>by itself
19:51<tjfontaine>not as bad as amanda, brrrr
19:52<irgeek>I haven't used amanda since about 1999 or 2000. I used it then b/c my girlfriend's name was Amanda. :)
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19:53<tjfontaine>what I want is somewhere between backuppc and bacula
19:54<Alucard>do new signups auto get put on Xen?
19:55<tjfontaine>depends on what's available, but usually
19:55<Alucard>how can I tell?
19:56<Alucard>I have a /dev/xvda
19:56<irgeek>Alucard: It depends which host you land on. If you are in the new DC, you will definitely land on a Xen host.
19:56<tjfontaine>ubda is uml, xvda is xen
19:56<tjfontaine>ubda even I think
19:56*tjfontaine shrugs
19:56<tjfontaine>U vs X ;)
20:03<bd_>newark console sessions seem to be using the atlanta console server oO
20:04<HoopyCat>woah, when did printing under linux stop sucking?
20:04<irgeek>CUPS FTW!
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20:23<Apokalipz> Click on that link to get some awesome free prizes such as Anime, Video Games, Nexon Cards, and much more. All you have to do is click on that link, sign up, and start earning points by completing the surveys and 100% free offers (No credit card required). Its that easy! So what are you waiting for? Click on that given link, sign up, and start earning those points!
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20:24<HoopyCat>Apokalipz: so... what's the catch?
20:24<bd_>right, where's the oftc channel to report spammers?
20:25<path->i want prizes!
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20:29<mwalling>tjfontaine: quit slacking
20:29<HoopyCat>can i get a can of bacon?
20:29<HoopyCat>i'd totally spam every channel on IRC for cans of bacon.
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20:29<tjfontaine>I was working on your feature requests
20:29<path->Mmmm bacon
20:30<irgeek>feature requests += no spam
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20:31<tjfontaine>yes well, I wish it were that easy
20:31<HoopyCat> click on that link to get some awesome canned bacon! all you have to do is click on that link, pay $110, and start enjoying your case of canned bacon fifty-four delicious slices at a time
20:33*path- throws bacon at hoopycat
20:34*HoopyCat tries to eat every delicious, bacony slice out of the air in a slightly sensuous manner
20:34<new2linode>hi, wondering if there is a problem with atlanta24 or just my linode
20:34<bd_>hmm, no ping resonse
20:34<bd_>wait no
20:35<bd_>my end's being weird, it does respond to pings
20:35<HoopyCat>new2linode: haven't heard of anything yet. can you lish in?
20:36<new2linode>yes, just got in via list
20:36<new2linode>but could not log in via ssh, which I'd been doing all day
20:37<HoopyCat>hrrm, perhaps sshd is unhappy
20:38<new2linode>the web server was very sluggish too... anyway seems to be back to normal now
20:38<bd_>probably means there was a routing issue
20:39<new2linode>i guess so :-)
20:39<bd_>next time get a traceroute or mtr report when it's down
20:39<new2linode>will do
20:40<internat85>oh yah! first of the month.. invoice day!
20:40<bd_>not for another few hours
20:41<internat85>didnt say linode invoicing :P
20:41<bd_>ah :)
20:41<internat85>i do all my invoices on the first of the month as well :) and its 10:40am on sunday the 1st here :)
20:41<HoopyCat>i try to keep things as real-time as possible
20:42<mwalling>HoopyCat: define real?
20:42<@mikegrb>386 real mode
20:42<internat85>im too lazy.. for what i do, billing everything on the first of the month works fine for me
20:42<internat85>no turbo mode?
20:42<mwalling>mikegrb: shouldnt you be drinkin or something?
20:42<HoopyCat>mwalling: non-imaginary
20:43<@mikegrb>mwalling: am
20:43*HoopyCat tosses mikegrb an ice-cold can of Bacon
20:44<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:44<mwalling>HoopyCat: in order to define the inverse of something, you need to define what something is
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20:46<HoopyCat>mwalling: real-time is a time that can be given by an infinite decimal representation, such as 20:45:13.2981728333...
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20:46<HoopyCat>the real-times include rational times (7am to about 11pm) as well as irrational times (e.g. 3am)
20:47<bd_>But not imaginary times, such as leap day.
20:47<@mikegrb>3am is an imaginary time
20:47<HoopyCat>you can obtain imaginary times by using the dmv unit (dmv^2 = -1)
20:49<internat85>there exists a 3am in the morning?
20:51<internat85>man i hate killing my uptime.. granted 70 days isnt much but still
20:52<internat85>screamer:/home/nf# uptime
20:52<internat85>10:57:12 up 70 days, 14:55, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.09, 0.07
20:52<internat85>i love my ex-linode host :D its awsome
20:52<JDLSpeedy>ex-linode host?
20:52<internat85>yup.. they sold off all the old hosts a while ago
20:54<irgeek>internat85: Did they sell them sans hard drives?
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20:55<internat85>no hdds :)
20:55<internat85>i have me host32 :D
20:56<irgeek>Good to know that Linode handles our data responsibly.
20:57<@caker>too bad I have a huge stack of drives I have no idea what to do with
20:57<path->we ran into the same problem at work
20:57<bd_>Use the NSA-approved method - thermite :D
20:57<path->about 5 years ago we took a welding torch to them
20:57<@caker>can't give them away, can't demag them and get rid of them and feel right about it, etc
20:58<path->now we have another huge pile and i told my boss i didn't want to burn that stuff
20:58<path->there is equipment out there
20:58<internat85>some dynamite works well :)
20:58<path->i was going to try to get work to buy something, but now money is tight
20:58<irgeek>Aren't there hard drive disposal service that come by in a big truck, you toss the drives in and they mangle them with a paper-shredder-on-steroids?
20:58<HoopyCat>caker: there are a couple places around here that have hard drive shredders
20:58<path->burning/blowing up electronics probably isn't the best for the environment
20:59<internat85>The restricted data on the Australian Coverment sites has to go trhough a 7 pass process before it can be disposed of.. thats 7 passes of 3 writes, (0's, 1's and random)
20:59<HoopyCat>caker: however, if you're interested in skeet shooting...
20:59*path- adds finding hd shredder to the list
20:59<path->HoopyCat: you have a hd launcher?
21:00<internat85>id invest in making a hd launcher to see that :P
21:00<HoopyCat>path-: no, but i've got a lot of free time this summer and my wife would probably be delighted if i got out of the house more often
21:01<irgeek>The problem with shooting at the drives is that if you miss, you have to constantly get the drive--wherever it landed--and relaunch it until you hit it sufficiently to destroy the data.
21:02<HoopyCat>irgeek: you figure you're going to need to recover them anyway, so you just fire a quantity and then wander around collecting them
21:03<irgeek>Instead of skeet, mount them on a conveyor belt and stand some distance away. If you hit three, you get a prize!
21:03<HoopyCat>irgeek: or, if you're jeremy clarkson, use a bigger gun
21:05<irgeek>I wonder how difficult it would be to create a home-brew hard driver muncher.
21:05<@mikegrb>no need laucn
21:05<@mikegrb>jjust do it on ground
21:05<@mikegrb>more fun point blank
21:06<HoopyCat>Dear University of Rochester Laboratory for Laser Energetics: Please find enclosed a collection of old hard drives, a case of beer, and a video camera. You know what to do.
21:08<@mikegrb>I hear they have some awesome layzers (sic) there
21:08<path->you're gonna shoot your eye out!
21:09<jetlag>so can I 'dd if=/dev/xvdh of=filename' and 'dd if=filename of=/dev/xvdh' to back up and restore?
21:10<HoopyCat>jetlag: as long as xvdh is not mounted rw, i believe that should work
21:10<HoopyCat>mikegrb: they are working on fusion... you know, take two atoms of heineken and fuse them into an atom of guinness
21:12<HoopyCat>personally, i just dabble in fission... one atom of guinness into two atoms of budweiser and a drunktron
21:12<bob2>"Because .ME is about YOU! .ME has incredible potential for Internet users world-wide. Think about it, with a .ME domain, the Internet will, quite simply, be all about YOU. For the first time in Internet history, domain names are essentially personal. "
21:16<irgeek>Yet another country trying to capitalize on their mildly interesting ccTLD.
21:17<mwalling>caker: they make harddrive crushers
21:17<HoopyCat>buy american! it's a, not a
21:18<mwalling>er, yeah...
21:19<mwalling>irgeek: a company like that is contraced by $work
21:23<irgeek>MD really pisses me off. If they detect you're on a US, UK, European etc IP, they redirect you to their "other" registrar where the prices are 10x normal registration.
21:23<jetlag>ok dd goes on forever
21:24*Peng hugs mwalling.
21:24<irgeek>I tried registering one from Egypy, but their registration for doesn't let you input addresses in the US, UK, Europe etc.
21:24<HoopyCat>jetlag: Please wait. . . .
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21:26<wpower720>Is this the channel for emergency support?
21:27<path->wpower720: i think there are tickets for that
21:27<bd_>Generally speaking tickets are the route for emergency support
21:27<irgeek>Tickets are for emergency support, but we may be able to help you if it's a problem inside your Linode.
21:27<Peng>Also, an admin may happen to be around and notice.
21:27<bd_>note: Linode staff are the @s, anyone else is just a bored user :)
21:28<Peng>Yeah, linbot is the CEO.
21:28<wpower720>Problem: I tried to cancel one of two accounts and both got whacked. I can't access support tickets anymore since both my passwords are now inoperable.
21:28<bd_>two people in two days XD
21:28<bd_>mikegrb: still around?
21:28<irgeek>No kidding.
21:29<bd_>wpower720: your data's still around, but the staff will have to re-enable your account
21:29<irgeek>I'll open another ticket. :)
21:29<wpower720>bd_: that's a relief. ;_;
21:29<wpower720>irgeek: much appreciated.
21:30<bd_>wpower720: They don't automatically purge it for exactly this reason :)
21:30<wpower720>My heart just about stopped when my production instance started shutting down seconds after I thought I killed off my dev account.
21:30<wpower720>^_^; Then I couldn't log back in with either account password/username.
21:30<irgeek>Ticket opened.
21:30<wpower720>irgeek: thanks alot!
21:31<@caker>I'm back!
21:31<irgeek>Someone else did the same thing less than 24 hours ago. :)
21:31<wpower720>Did they also link different linode accounts under the same account?
21:32<irgeek>caker: Methinks there needs to be a clearer warning of what's going to happen when people try to do what wpower720 just did.
21:32<bd_>I don't know how linked accounts were handled when things transitioned to the new linode manager
21:32<bd_>the safe way to delete a linode is going to and clicking on the 'remove' link on the appropriate row
21:32<wpower720>Well, it looks like the "cancel account" process looks at any and all linodes attached to an account and kills them.
21:32<HoopyCat>irgeek, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. i say let 'em crash.
21:33<@caker>wpower720: am I resurrecting your account, then?
21:33<wpower720>bd_: I'll remember that for the future!
21:33<wpower720>caker: yes, please: wpower720.
21:33<irgeek>wpower720: Cancel account != remove Linode
21:33<@caker>wpower720: one moment
21:33*wpower720 laughs, feeling some color returning.
21:34<@caker>shit .. his IPs were removed
21:34*caker goes to find them
21:34<wpower720>That was the IP assigned to the instance.
21:34<jetlag>ok dd worked fine when I actually picked the right image
21:35<wpower720>caker/mikegrb: out of curiosity, I take it the tickets I opened prior to fubar'ing my accounts will need to be re-submitted? ^_^;;
21:38<@tasaro>wpower720: don't take this the wrong way -- looking for feedback
21:38<@tasaro>Do we need to change the checkbox that says: "NOTE: This will immediately cancel all of your Linodes, DNS hosting, and inactivate all Users. You will not be able to log into after canceling." ?
21:39<Bdragon>Two people accidentally cancelling in two days is making ME think that you should have to jump through more confirmations to do so... :-/
21:39<wpower720>tasaro: Hey, I'm more than happy to provide feedback, if it will ensure this doesn't happen to me or anyone else again! ^_^;;
21:40<bd_>tasaro: maybe list exactly what will be cancelled
21:40<internat85>maybe the note should say, this is not what you do to remove a linode?
21:40<wpower720>tasaro: I think the problem that I stumbled on is that I logged in on the account I wanted to delete. I selected the option to cancel the account, but it doesn't list what it is going to take with it.
21:40<path->something i saw once, make people type the text "yes really delete"
21:40<bd_>ie, list off "ALL OF THE FOLLOWING LINODES WILL BE CANCELLED: (IPs and user labels follow)
21:41<@caker>wpower720: your account should be back in the state it was before you canceled, now.
21:41<wpower720>tasaro: having it list what will be deleted along with the account with links leading to options to only remove those specific items instead of nuking everything would be helpful.
21:41<bob2>tasaro: make the whole thing CAPS, with a audio file of caker shouting it
21:41<@tasaro>bd_: that would make it clear
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21:41<@tasaro>I think you were used to the "old" way, where your accounts were merged.. Now you have one account with multiple entities
21:41<irgeek>And make it red. Red scares people!
21:42<bd_>maybe make the user retype the IPs of all of their linodes?
21:42<wpower720>^_^;; yes, red is scary...
21:42<bd_>Hard to miss it then
21:42<@tasaro>guinea-pig: beat me to it
21:42<wpower720>tasaro: perhaps leave the ability to login and recover the virtual machines active? ^_^;;
21:42<Bdragon>Or a textbox you gotta type "I understand the implications of this action" or something
21:42<@tasaro>wpower720: you can do that
21:42<guinea-pig>typing "i understand" doesn't mean you actully understand
21:42<@caker>WARNING: Contains content that may not be suitable for all viewers. Viewer discretion is advised.
21:43<@tasaro>wpower720: by clicking the "remove" links next to your individual Linodes
21:43<wpower720>tasaro: ie, a 24 hour window to re-login and recover the VM(s) in the event that wasn't what one wanted.
21:43<Bdragon>Reading comprehension mini-quiz!
21:43<@jadoba>"Yes, do exactly what I say!"
21:43<guinea-pig>"Not as I do"
21:43<guinea-pig>whoa. jadoba=new employee?
21:43<wpower720>tasaro: Yes, I saw the remove links. From what I could see and from understanding there are multiple accounts and associations, I thought it meant it will "remove the association of that linode from the account", not that it is deleting a linode account.
21:43<Bdragon>Or begin the prompt with "Whoa there!"
21:43<bd_>how about making the user remove all of their linodes first?
21:44<@jadoba>guinea-pig: must be a big rock
21:44<wpower720>tasaro: perhaps changing "remove" to "delete" for the linodes would help.
21:44<HoopyCat>i just fed a hunk of bubblewrap through the shredder, on camera. i think it's "silly mistake" night.
21:44<guinea-pig>yes. quite. i'm sparse around these parts
21:44*HoopyCat attempts to unclog shredder
21:44<wpower720>tasaro: I originally opted for remove, but then decided against it, since it didn't indicate it was going to delete anything. :/
21:45<wpower720>Searching the FAQ for how to cancel an account led me to think that cancelling the account would get the job done... which it did... and then some. :/
21:45<irgeek>I agree with bd_ - Force the user to remove all Linodes before they can cancel the account.
21:45<irgeek>Canceling an account doesn't need to be easy.
21:46<guinea-pig>perhaps the FAQ is not updated with the new manager improvements?
21:46<wpower720>irgeek/bd_: I'm all for the empty account first, then being able to cancel. :)
21:46<@caker>wpower720: you left a very calm voicemail at the office, given the circumstances. Kudos
21:46<bd_>by forcing the user to empty their account first, the actual account deletion is just purging (or, well, disabling) the billing info
21:46<wpower720>caker: thanks. ^_^;;
21:46<bd_>and forces them to think through everything they're disabling
21:46<HoopyCat>i can respect a very high disaster:freakout ratio
21:47<wpower720>caker: I figure the last thing you need is a freaked out 911-like call where you can't understand any information being relayed... ;)
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21:47<@caker>wpower720: anyhow -- did you see this: 21:41 <@caker> wpower720: your account should be back in the state it was before you canceled, now.
21:47<@caker>wpower720: you should be all set
21:47<wpower720>checking now. ^_^ Thanks.
21:48<@caker>I didn't bother re-activating your other User account
21:48<HoopyCat>"Monroe County 911" "Hi, it appears I may have just sawed off my leg. I'm sitting down and am trying to control the bleeding, but darn if I just don't have enough paper towels. Do you think perhaps, when they aren't too busy, you could perhaps send over an ambulance... no big deal, I think I have a big rubber band in here somewhere..."
21:48<wpower720>Thanks. ^_^;
21:48<@caker>(imported during the transition to the new Linode Manager)
21:48<@caker>wpower720: but I did re-activate both Linodes. You'll need to remove the one you initially intended to remove
21:48<wpower720>caker: okay. ^_^; removing now.
21:49<wpower720>(correction.... booting up the production one first, then removing dev one...)
21:49<@caker>irgeek: thanks for the relay
21:49<wpower720>btw, thanks once again for the stellar support! ^_^ Both from Linode and the Linode community!!
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21:51<taupehat>caker: how'd the racking party go
21:51<irgeek>caker: No problem.
21:51<@caker>It was fun :)
21:51<@caker> <-- pics
21:52<wpower720>Yay! It's alive again! ;_;
21:52<bd_>caker is the master of server necromancy :)
21:52*wpower720 smiles.
21:52<wpower720>Now I can submit that ticket to upgrade the VM. ^_^;;
21:52-!-caker changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Support | | New Datacenter: Newark, NJ -
21:53<taupehat>caker: by the way, my 'node has been happy since the other night
21:53<wpower720>Hey, the ticket is still there. ^_^ Woot!
21:53<taupehat>no known problems
21:53<taupehat>thanks again for your help there
21:53<@caker>taupehat: sure thing. Given the patterns, I don't expect any further issues after the data move
21:54<taupehat>except for my massively corrupted filesystem going into the move
21:54<taupehat>remember, no getty?
21:54<@caker>it's all ones and zeros to me, man
21:55<exor674>caker: no 2's in there?
21:55<wpower720>caker: one quick question: I have a upgrade ticket in the queue. I take it the upgrade will require a reboot of the instance?
21:55<@tasaro>wpower720: check the ticket :)
21:55<bd_>wpower720: upgrades require a shutdown and some downtime to move to another server
21:55<JDLSpeedy>guinea-pig: hey...
21:55<wpower720>you guys are scary fast/responsive. ^_^;;
21:55<bd_>the server move is fairly speedy if you're not changing datacenters
21:56<bd_>~22MB/s, I think? It's been a while since I did an in-DC move
21:56<bd_>If you're changing datacenters... block out a few hours of scheduled maintenance :)
21:56<wpower720>heh heh.
21:57<exor674>and yeah "100.0% done, 0:00 to go, 23.84 MB/s"
21:57<exor674>for an in-DC move
21:57<exor674>(I still had that in my job queue history)
21:58<wpower720>tasaro: quick suggestion for the DNS Manager:: XML export for re-import at a later time. ;)
21:58<@caker>wpower720: how about an API instead?
21:59<@caker>wpower720: either way -- it's coming, and I'm sure people will write tools to suck in zone files and/or whatever
21:59<guinea-pig>hi JDLSpeedy! what's up?
21:59<guinea-pig>SpaceHobo: your updike response appears broken
21:59<wpower720>caker: Sounds good. ^_^
22:00<Alucard>yay my new Linode is awesome
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22:01<taupehat>Hey, nice rack! (re:topic)
22:01<exor674>you know waht there needs to be
22:01<exor674>duplicate configuration profile option
22:02<@caker>exor674: just the config profile?
22:02<path->there are only like 5 choices
22:02<@caker>exor674: or the disk images, too?
22:02<exor674>just config profile
22:03<taupehat>duping the disk image would also be cool
22:03<exor674>even though it is easy-ish to do manually, one could screw up a bit
22:03*taupehat has a fleet of debian boxes on his vmware swerver created by cp -a
22:03<taupehat>and editing the vmx
22:03<internat85>you already can dupe the disk image
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22:05<wpower720>taupehat: wow. ^_^; isn't there a perl script for editing the vmx/vmdk files?
22:05<taupehat>I was at the store the other day
22:05<taupehat>wpower720: it's easy enough to do by hand, so not worth looking for a script
22:06<taupehat>had to explain to my six-year-old why she could not have that barbie - ever
22:06<tjfontaine>lies just top model barbi
22:06<tjfontaine>I see no tramp stamp?
22:06<taupehat>that barbie a freaking ho
22:07<taupehat>Reminds me of that game show in GTA IV
22:07<taupehat>"Top Whore"
22:07<taupehat>top model indeed
22:07*irgeek double checks he's logged into the right account hits "Cancel Account" :)
22:07<taupehat>sorry geek
22:07<taupehat>it occasionally gets a bit blue in here
22:07<wpower720>caker/tasaro/mikgrb/irgeek/bd_: Thanks everyone! Currently migrating and just finished re-populating dns manager. Life is good again. ^_^
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22:08<taupehat>and then caker smacks us around and we behave again
22:08<@caker>wpower720: ah .. I could have recovered your zones for you, too
22:08*caker forgot
22:08<wpower720>irgeek: *grins* Last time I happily click on cancel... :)
22:08<wpower720>caker: It's okay. only 22 zones. Some legacy zones needed to get wiped anyways. ^_-
22:08<@caker>wpower720: anyhow -- not a problem .. we'll figure something out to make the cancel account stuff more obvious
22:09<irgeek>I vote for forcing a removal of all Linodes before an account can be cancelled.
22:09<taupehat>caker: javascript popup clarifying "You are about to" maybe?
22:09*wpower720 seconds irgeek's suggestion. Empty before removal.
22:09<path->and making people type text into a box
22:10<bd_>path-: once all the linodes are gone, you won't be losing much by closing the account, really
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22:10<bd_>your DNS zones would've been disabled after all
22:10<irgeek>taupehat: I was canceling a Linode account for a contract which has ended. Nothing to do with Skank Barbie.
22:11<taupehat>irgeek: ahh, good to know :)
22:11*wpower720 lol's, "Please type in the following 75 digit CSS obfuscated string to validate your choice of nuking all your account data..."
22:13<bd_>Have them solve a captcha containing the IP addresses of their linodes :D
22:13<internat85>actually removing all linodes before cancelling account proibably is a good idea
22:13<internat85>or "You still have active linodes. Clicking this button will destory them utterly and completely and then kill you" kthx
22:13<path->mmmm guiness
22:14*m0unds_ wants beer
22:14<internat85>im heading out for beer shortly actually
22:14<wpower720>(wow, that local migrat is fast... )
22:14*irgeek m0unds_ last beer
22:14<path->isn't it like 1pm there?
22:14<path->ok, just checking
22:14<internat85>meeting a friend at 4, for drinkies
22:15<internat85>well its 12pm actually, but close enuff :)
22:15<path->well, when i started typing i thought it was 9am but decided that was wrong last minute
22:15<internat85>a nice sunday afternoon chat, and discussion about if im going to quit my job or not :P
22:15<m0unds_>boooooo work, hooray beer!
22:15<taupehat>beer, hell
22:16<taupehat>rum:30 here
22:16<irgeek>internat85: Quit! I'm sure they don't deserve to have you as an employees.
22:16<taupehat>internat85: Finagle a layoff
22:16*taupehat goes back to ogling the linode iron
22:17<internat85>lol my old boss made me a better offer 30% pay increase so om seriously considering it at the moment
22:17<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:18<taupehat>internat85: that's hard to ignore
22:18<internat85>it sure is
22:18<irgeek>internat85: Tell your current employer they need to give you a 50% increase to keep you/
22:18<internat85>yeah they wont
22:18<taupehat>my last job switch was an 80% raise
22:18<internat85>i have a few more questions about the new job before i jump ship so im going to find them out next week
22:18<taupehat>wasn't hard to decide on
22:18<taupehat>better bennies, too
22:19<taupehat>went from public sector to private
22:19<internat85>yeah, well i have fairly good bennifits and training programs etc where i currently am, so i just want to make sure im going to have simular stuff at the new job, otherwise i might actually be loosing out
22:19*path- needs to switch jobs
22:19<taupehat>internat85: sounds like a good thing to sit down and mull over with a friend
22:19<internat85>ie currentIncome + training + benfities may != currentIncome+30% :)
22:20*taupehat nods
22:20<irgeek>caker: Will the new DNS API have a way to do a quick "was this zone changed in the last 24 hours" check so I can do a nightly cron to alert me to changes. I have users who can modify zones now, but they aren't as experienced as me and I'd like to be able to check any changes they make.
22:21<internat85>you could check the serial number to see if its changed :)
22:21<taupehat>the other difference between the two jobs was the company car: in the public-sector job, it was an '87 Merkur that could barely do the speed limit on the freeway. The current job involves a Citation X
22:21<irgeek>internat85: Good point.
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22:22<internat85>im sure the api would have an easy way of getting zones + serial number into something you could easily monitor
22:22*irgeek goes off to hack a quick python script to check zone serial numbers
22:22<internat85>or can you get serial numbers out of dns server?
22:22<irgeek>DNS has an easy way of getting serial numbers.
22:22<irgeek>It's in the SOA
22:23<path->Mmmmm tools
22:23<internat85>is it something dig can show?
22:23<wpower720>Thanks alot everyone! ^_^ Back on the air and happy as a clam.
22:23<irgeek>dig +short soa <domain>
22:24*wpower720 gets pulled out of the channel by a wayward packet.. *poof*
22:24<irgeek>dig +short soa <domain> | awk '{print $3}' <-- Only the serial number.
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22:25<internat85>welll there you go, i do have some decent ideas at times :D
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22:51<HoopyCat>well, that's what happens when i use the blink tag, eh?
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22:56<linbot>path-: *click*
22:56<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
22:56*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
22:56<linbot>path-: *click*
22:56<linbot>path-: *click*
22:57<linbot>m0unds_: *click*
22:58<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
22:58*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
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22:59<linbot>exor674: *click*
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22:59<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
22:59*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:00<HoopyCat>FloodServ <3
23:00<linbot>m0unds_: *click*
23:00<linbot>Alucard: *click*
23:00<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
23:00*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:00<guinea-pig>linbot: don't you love me anymore?
23:03<internat85>i imagine it needs to be opped to actually do anything :P
23:06<irgeek>FUSE + SSHFS + High Latency = teh suck!
23:06<Peng>I bet that CGI:IRC bastard caused the netsplit. :O
23:07<mwalling>Peng: please explain your manlove earlier?
23:07<linbot>irgeek: Linode360 - 61, Linode540 - 22, Linode720 - 22, Linode1080 - 11, Linode1440 - 7, Linode2880 - 4
23:08<Peng>mwalling: Creepy TV and computer malfunctions had freaked me out, and I saw you first, honey. :)
23:08*mwalling <3 high-flow toilets
23:09<Peng>I don't know how much flow my toilet has.
23:10<HoopyCat>i enjoy *good* low-flow toilets
23:20*Talman finds the toilets on this boat frightening.
23:21<Talman>They're EVAC toilets, which I think is short for "sitting on this device while pushing the 'flush' button may result in severe injury or death."
23:22<irgeek>Talman: Didn't the MythBusters bust that myth?
23:23<Peng>Happy Mailman Mailing List Reminder and Linode Billing Day.
23:24<bd_>I'm on yearly billing, that day's about a year from now :P
23:24<Peng>Killjoy. :)
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23:27<praetorian>omg, racist! ;)
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23:34<praetorian>2nd time lucky ... right
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23:46<dvgrhl`mobile>ok, so why is it that everything in linux server is easy to set up except multi-domain e-mail?
23:47<dvgrhl`mobile>is it some sort of e-mail gnome conspiracy?
23:47<mendel>Because running a web server is /essentially/ the same for a little test site as for a really big commercial application
23:48<mendel>But email is very much not the same as it gets bigger
23:48<dvgrhl`mobile>yeah, but I want it to be
23:48<mwalling>virtual mail domains in postfix are easy
23:49<dvgrhl`mobile>ok, I will gladly paypal you to set them up and tell me what you did
23:49<dvgrhl`mobile>and I like to think of myself as computer savy, but damn this e-mail is driving me crazy
23:49<mwalling>a mix of
23:50<mwalling>and lots of doc reading
23:50<dvgrhl`mobile>read the first one many times
23:50<dvgrhl`mobile>I get the feeling that I am just ONE THING shy of getting it to work
23:50<mwalling>where are you at now?
23:50<dvgrhl`mobile>but alas, work it does not
23:51<dvgrhl`mobile>now, I am at a clean install of Ubuntu LTS 8.04
23:51<dvgrhl`mobile>nice thing about Linode :)
23:51<irgeek>dvgrhl`mobile: The problem with virtual mail is really (in my opinion) on the MDA side, not the MTA. Getting Postfix to do virtual mail is easy. Getting that mail delivered somewhere users can get at it is trickier.
23:52<mwalling>irgeek: you got your m?a's switched?
23:52<dvgrhl`mobile>well, I would handily pay someone a nice amount to get it to work for me, and of course tell me how they did it. I do like to learn after all.
23:52<irgeek>No. Postfix = MTA, cyrus/dovecot = MDA
23:53<mwalling>irgeek: oh, misread what the "really" was on
23:53<mwalling>i thought it said "really easy"
23:53<dvgrhl`mobile>I've lost count of how many attempts I have made
23:53<mwalling>dvgrhl`mobile: baby
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23:54<mwalling>local delivery first
23:54<dvgrhl`mobile>I actually have learned a ton about server administration
23:54<dvgrhl`mobile>which I really really like
23:54<irgeek>dvgrhl`mobile: Which MDA are you using?
23:54<dvgrhl`mobile>I'm 100% a Linode evangelist
23:54<dvgrhl`mobile>I was trying to set up postfix
23:54<dvgrhl`mobile>and dovecot
23:54<mwalling>23:49 < mwalling>
23:55<mwalling>follow that
23:55<mwalling>see what happens
23:55<dvgrhl`mobile>ok, that is one I haven't seen yey
23:55<irgeek>First you need to get dovecot to authenticate users to empty mailboxes, then you need to get Postfix to deliver to those mailboxes.
23:56<dvgrhl`mobile>yeah, so easily said
23:56<dvgrhl`mobile>wouldn't there be good $$$ to make by offering these services to people to set up?
23:56<dvgrhl`mobile>I suppose that is not the point of Linode
23:57<bd_>dvgrhl`mobile: they'd need to hire a lot more staff for that
23:57<dvgrhl`mobile>but damn, why is e-mail so difficult when every other aspect of web hosting is so easy
23:57<bd_>and inevitably support quality would drop as a result of too-fast growth
23:57<bd_>dvgrhl`mobile: let google handle your mail :D
23:57<dvgrhl`mobile>yeah I don't want that
23:57<dvgrhl`mobile>I have REALLY considered that
23:58<irgeek>bd_: People here could offer it as a contract type thing.
23:58<mendel>there's zimbra, too, which is apparently not awesome but which is Fine
23:58<bd_>irgeek: oh, sure, I'm just saying it'd be a distraction from what makes linode good
23:58<mendel>At FreshBooks we use Mailtrust for mail. Too much of a pain to do in-house, and when we signed up it was $1/mailbox/month.
23:58<mendel>(Now it's $3, I think.)
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23:59<irgeek>dvgrhl`mobile: Have you read this yet?
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