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00:00<jkwood>Well, I tried.
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00:16<CaptObviousman>!put jkwood into a basket
00:17<CaptObviousman>!mail said basket to Polynesia with less than the required postage
00:17<rsdehart>how far would that really get?
00:17<CaptObviousman>who knows?
00:17<CaptObviousman>(that's kinda the point)
00:18<rsdehart>s/knows/cares/ ?
00:18<CaptObviousman>well, if he doesn't make it far enough, i kinda care
00:18<CaptObviousman>it needs to get outta the 48 at least
00:18*ajmitch is technically already in polynesia
00:18<jkwood>Aww, I love you guys too.
00:19<CaptObviousman>the bot sucks too much to fulfill my wishes anyway
00:20*CaptObviousman is finally irritated enough at his tzone to actually change it
00:21<jkwood>I did that the other day.
00:21<jkwood>The timing on something is off, though. =/
00:22<jkwood>According to my watch, the clock on my Linode is 20 minutes slow. =/
00:22<internat85>guess your watch is wrong
00:22<CaptObviousman>mine's fine
00:23<CaptObviousman>just ... I don't live in EST
00:23<CaptObviousman>what's really strange is that my linode is in Dallas, where I am
00:23<jkwood>CaptObviousman: I think they default to EST.
00:23<jkwood>Mine's in Dallas too, for that matter.
00:24<path->move to east coast!
00:24<irgeek>jkwood: You can check your clock with this: ntpdate -q
00:24<irgeek>The -q makes it just compare instead of changing the clock.
00:25<jkwood>irgeek: Thanks. :)
00:25<jkwood>I've never had occasion to use ntp, given my location behind the firewall-of-doom.
00:26<path->my linode syncing with the host seems to work well
00:26<CaptObviousman>hmm, Kentucky is CST isn't it?
00:26*CaptObviousman doesn't bother with ntp, as he gets his time from the host
00:26<path->!google time in ky
00:26<@linbot>path-: Search took 0.19 seconds: Kentucky (eastern), United States current local time from ...: <>; Kentucky (eastern), United States Time Converter Calculator: <>; Frankfort Kentucky Current Local Time - Time Zone - Time in ...: <>; Georgetown (2 more messages)
00:27<path->!calc time in ky
00:27<@linbot>path-: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:27<irgeek>CaptObviousman: What city in KY?
00:27<jkwood>I thought I was getting my time from the host too.
00:27<CaptObviousman>Louisville probably
00:27<path->i think they are est
00:27<irgeek>jkwood: I think you should be...
00:27<CaptObviousman>oh, it's EST too
00:27<jkwood>CaptObviousman: You want Chicago, probably.
00:28<CaptObviousman>yeah that'll work
00:29*irgeek ponders getting a 32" LCD TV
00:29<irgeek>Would be slightly silly as I don't really watch TV
00:29<CaptObviousman>hmm, now how to get it to reset without installing ntp
00:29<CaptObviousman>the simple solution being just restart the thing. But I'm a fan of uptime
00:29<irgeek>It should reset on it's own.
00:30<booja>irgeek: obviously you need at least a 60" tv
00:30<CaptObviousman>oh wow, so it did
00:30<booja>get with the program!
00:30<exor674>we shouldn't need to run NTP on linodes, should we
00:30<CaptObviousman>that's pretty rad
00:30<CaptObviousman>exor674: no
00:30<irgeek>Your hardware clock should be UTC and the timezone file just tell it what time to display
00:30<exor674>I'm assuming the host's NTP'd
00:30<CaptObviousman>well that was easier than I thought it'd be
00:30<CaptObviousman>exor674: that's a safe assumption
00:30<jkwood>CaptObviousman: Slack has... oh, what was it...
00:30<path->host runs ntp
00:31<path->does slackware have timezones?
00:31<CaptObviousman>path-: yep
00:31<irgeek>A few years ago there were some quirks, but I've not seen any time problems in a long time.
00:31<booja>I set mine to be au
00:31<irgeek>path-: If it doesn't it's fundamentally broken.
00:31<irgeek>Oh, wait...
00:31<jkwood>That's it.
00:32<internat85>tzconfig :P
00:32<Battousai>thats so debian
00:32<CaptObviousman>Dallas being a city with lots of hosting, you'd think they would add it to the list of normal destinations
00:32<CaptObviousman>srsly, there's a pileton of DCs here. We're pretty much ideal
00:32<irgeek>Normal destinations? For what?
00:33<path->no tzconfig on my ubuntu
00:33<internat85>its tzconfig on my debian box..
00:33<irgeek>path-: tszelect
00:33<irgeek>Or tz<TAB>
00:34<Battousai>looks like gentoo does tzselect also
00:34<Battousai>probably optimized though
00:34<path->like that's needed
00:34<irgeek>I remember back in the day on early RH have to manually symlink the timezone file.
00:34<Battousai>it's always needed
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00:35<jkwood>Oh, I see... selecting UTC instead of localtime seems to have fixed it.
00:35<internat85>yeah i remember being im primary school once as well but hey :P
00:35<Battousai>the little text menu shows up .0000000001% faster
00:35<CaptObviousman>wow that's a long script jkwood
00:35*CaptObviousman will read it ... some other time. Or more likely never
00:36<Battousai>i've always just set the symlink myself
00:36<Battousai>ln is even faster
00:36<Battousai>/etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
00:36<path->is ln optimized?
00:37<path->all that optimization is just a waste of cpu
00:37<Battousai>cat /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/coreutils-6.11/CFLAGS <<< -O2 -march=i686
00:38<path->someone worked really hard to make these quad core cpus, we need to take full advantage of them
00:38<path->sitting idle is serving them no justice
00:38<irgeek>path-: You're probably right.
00:38<Battousai>i'm pretty sure that's what compiz is for
00:38*path- goes to install seti on his linode
00:38<Battousai>or in my case, kde4
00:38*internat85 slaps path-
00:38<internat85>bad boy!
00:39<irgeek>If you think about it, the amount of CPU time you waste recompiling everything is probably far more than you will ever save with a little optimization.
00:39<path->don't you want to talk to aliens?
00:39<Battousai>i'd be wasting that on a binary distro anyway
00:39<Battousai>it's from svn
00:39*CaptObviousman tends to agree with irgeek
00:39<internat85>yes but if you think about how linode works.. with cpu time and what not.. installing seti is bad for your neighbours
00:39<CaptObviousman>but I has a friend into Gentoo, and also there's a Gentoo linoder around
00:39<internat85>because your always going to be using 100%
00:40<path->internat85: i was just kidding
00:40<CaptObviousman>So I can't really be too too hard on it
00:40<Battousai>i'm a gentoo dev but i don't linode with it
00:40<internat85>oh.. good good
00:40<irgeek>internat85: The host kernel won't let you have 100% if there are other Linode's wanting CPU time.
00:40<CaptObviousman>Battousai: your docs are the sex
00:40<internat85>now if they were to run seti on the hosts... that would be a different matter :P
00:40<Battousai>CaptObviousman: those weren't me
00:41<CaptObviousman>well tell your friends/fellow devels/random hot women in your harem
00:41<CaptObviousman>if you do tell hot women, be sure to throw in that I'm exceptionally handsome and have a very large ... income
00:41<internat85>irgeek: this is true, but say there are two people wanting cpu time, yours with seti and another.. its going to get split 50/50 rather then 100% to the other person which is what would happen if you werent running seti
00:41<irgeek>True. Good point.
00:42<internat85>yeah so its bad for neighbours.. if they ran SETI on the hosts themselves that wouldnt be too bad..
00:42<irgeek>So obviously caker should get seti running on the hosts where it can run niced at -20
00:43<path->i should create a fake forum account and ask the best way to run seti
00:43<internat85>someone already did a while ago
00:43<path->does seti even work anymore?
00:44<irgeek>That depends on your definition of work.
00:44<jkwood>Yes, I, also, am appreciative of the documentation project commonly referred to as "Gentoo."
00:45<path->i guess that means seti is still maintained and remains a futile effort
00:47<CaptObviousman>it was really awesome Back In The Day
00:47<CaptObviousman>but then so were hair bands and Spree
00:51<CaptObviousman>heh, my irc logs look goofy now
00:52<path->yea, we ran it on many things at work
00:52<path->it was like so 2000
00:53*CaptObviousman recalls when folding @home got big. The Macrumors folding team got busted for hijacking PCs and using the spare cycles to add to their count
00:54<CaptObviousman>well, it was just one guy who trojaned it into a few networks he managed
00:54<irgeek>I ran the client a while back.
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00:55<CaptObviousman>then we all realized that it made our dorm rooms hot 24/7, and that was the end of that trend
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00:56<tjfontaine>bad services
00:56<path->ha ha
00:59<jkwood>Oh, yeah, make the lol bot an op.
01:00<tjfontaine>I don't mind that, it's the core'ing I have a problem with
01:00*path- departs
01:02<linbot>guinea-pig: *click*
01:02<linbot>Battousai: *click*
01:11*linbot slaps jkwood
01:11<jkwood>Whoa... it's after midnight.
01:12<jkwood>I'm going to go turn in. Gotta get an early start tomorrow.
01:13<jkwood>Later, ladies and no-so-ladies.
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01:34<Nigel>Heh, so it costs me $30/mo to keep my mobile on contract with 6 weeks remaining, to cancel my contract, it'd cost $130
01:35<Nigel>or, I could pay them another $45 and cancel then for free
01:36<Battousai>contracts suck
01:37<Nigel>you can say that again
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01:50<internat85>its rediculous when they do stupid shit like that isnt it
01:51<Nigel>especially when I have a more expensive mobile broadband plan that I have no intention of cancelling
01:51<internat85>since the iphones are about to release in AU im waiting to see what the new dataplans are going to be like
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02:05<Asim>how can i find out what ports bind is using?
02:06<irgeek>Probably tcp/udp 53
02:07<irgeek>But netstat and lsof are how you confirm that
02:08<Asim>i can ping my website from ssh and it responds, but not externally. i tried unblocking 53 from system-config-securitylevel-tui but it's still blocked i guess?
02:09<irgeek>What's your IP?
02:11<irgeek>It works for me...
02:11<Asim>im trying to setup the domain, though. the ip works
02:11<Asim>domain is
02:11<irgeek>Though there's not content/
02:12<Peng>Would Sourcenode be, like, using LFS on a Linode?
02:12<Asim>and there's no errors in my bind log, so im guessing the firewaall is blocking it?
02:12<Asim>lol, nope. i've had the domain longer then i've heard of linode for. haha.
02:13<Peng>Well, does your firewall have a log?
02:14<irgeek>Asim: I'm guessing you opened tcp/53 but not udp/53
02:14<Asim>irgeek, i've opened both. to my knowledge. lol
02:14<irgeek>Most DNS lookups are done over udp
02:14<Asim>im not sure where iptables' log file is located, dont see anything in /var/logs
02:15<exor674>lol, you made me hardlock dig
02:16<irgeek>If I do a TCP or UDP lookup of the name, I get no response - not even an SOA record.
02:16<irgeek>I think your bind is configured wring
02:16<StevenK>iptables doesn't log
02:17<StevenK>You need to add -j LOG targets before -j DENY/DROP
02:18<irgeek>What does this give you: dig @localhost soa [+tcp] (try it with and without the +tcp)
02:19<Asim>stuff in my zone file
02:20<irgeek>The output should look something like this: " 86400 IN SOA ns1. admin. 2005061401 10800 600 60400 86400"
02:20<Asim> 86400 IN SOA 200861101 28800 7200 864000 86400
02:22<irgeek>pastebin this: netstat -al --protocol=inet
02:31<irgeek>You're on FC9 right? It seems to be a strange distro.
02:31<Asim>I switched to CentOS actually.
02:31<Asim>FC9 was very strange.
02:31<irgeek>Let's see if you're getting packets at all...
02:32<irgeek>Run this and let me know when it's fired up (needs to be run as root) - tcpdump -i eth0 host
02:34<Asim>tcpdump not found.
02:34<Asim>trying to use yum but it keeps giving me a "Metadata file does not match checksum" on yum install tcpdump
02:35<irgeek>Is yum updated?
02:36<irgeek>Since I don't use RH based distros I don't know what to tell you.
02:37<Asim>ok. maybe i just did something stupid again. haha
02:37<Asim>I'll try reinstalling CentOS tomorrow then and see if it gives me any more luck.
02:37<bob2>was it your linode that got 0wned yesterday?
02:38<Asim>probably. lol
02:38<irgeek>Is there a reason you chose a RH based distro?
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02:39<Asim>I started using linux with Fedora and I got used to it I guess. Easier commands. like the system-config stuff, etc.
02:39<Asim>I suck at linux. I've actually learned a heck of a lot just with you helping me, lol.
02:40<Asim>I used to let CPanel just do everything for me, but now I decided to get to know things better.
02:40<irgeek>Things like cpanel are great until they aren't, then you're fscked.
02:41<irgeek>But we all started out with Linux at some point.
02:41<irgeek>I've been using *nix for somewhere between 15 and 20 years now.
02:41<Asim>lol, yeah.
02:41<irgeek>Linux for about 10.
02:42<irgeek>I used to use RH based distros, but I prefer Ubuntu now.
02:42<Asim>Ubuntu seems more like a desktop to me t hen a server. dont know why. lol
02:43<irgeek>Ubuntu Desktop, yes. Ubuntu Server isn't.
02:44<Asim>I'll give that a try tomorrow then.
02:44<Asim>Believe it or not, I got my linode yesterday and I've already rebuilt it about 15 times.
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02:44<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:44<Battousai>mmm cake
02:45<irgeek>That's normal.
02:45<irgeek>It's one of the best features Linode has.
02:45<Asim>I agree. lol
02:46<Asim>Oh man, it's almost 2am? Work in 4 hours. awesome.
02:46<Asim>I better get going.
02:46<Asim>Thanks again irgeek. I'll probably be back tomorrow for something new. lol
02:47<irgeek>Have a good night.
02:47<Asim>You too. Night guys.
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02:59<linbot>kupesoft: Newark360 - 43, Newark540 - 24, Newark720 - 5, Newark1080 - 0, Newark1440 - 0, Newark2880 - 0
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03:29<edlang>Hi -- I want to set up reverse DNS on my linode. I'm using as my registrar. Is there a simple way of doing this?
03:30<irgeek>If you've configure forward DNS of the name you want to be an A record pointing to your IP, look under the Network tab in the Linode Manager.
03:30<edlang>Ah, thanks.
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03:53<getsmart>hi, it's normal for a linode in dallas this reported by nmap: 1723/tcp filtered pptp ?
03:54<getsmart>I am wondering about this becauase yesterday I had a lot of connection tries on 22 ssh (now I have disabled that service)
03:54<irgeek>How are those two related?
03:55<getsmart>irgeek, I hope not. just performing a global system check after that tries
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03:56<getsmart>by the way it looks like I havent' any process on 1723, so wondoring what is that
03:57<irgeek>Are you talking about port 1723 being filtered from your Linode to somewhere else?
03:57<getsmart>ritght now I have only 80, 443, and 25 open. that are services hosted there
03:57<irgeek>And 22
03:58<getsmart>no, 22 is shut down
03:58<irgeek>You turned off ssh? Why?
03:58<getsmart>told before
03:59<irgeek>Connection tries is a dumb reason to shut down ssh. The whole point of ssh is to be a secure way to access and manage a server from another machine.
03:59<getsmart>any operator up?
04:00<getsmart>irgeek, I don' like connnection with username guessing
04:00<getsmart>for a couple of hours, more
04:00<irgeek>So you lock yourself out instead?
04:00<bob2>welcome to the internet
04:00<bob2>everyone gets them
04:00<encode>getsmart: try denyhosts or fail2ban then
04:00<getsmart>I know that, they was cconsuming all the cpu
04:00<getsmart>encode, let me see that
04:00<bob2>anyway, nmap output is not very useful
04:01<getsmart>encode, thanks for the suggestion, I rellay appreciated it
04:02<getsmart>bob2, that was eating all cpu....
04:02<irgeek>I'm still confused what you are asking about though. You got some random connection on ssh. Ok. That happens all the time. You can use something like fail2ban or change ports or use port knocking if you don't want to see those in your logs.
04:02<encode>getsmart: no problem
04:02<irgeek>But how does pptp come into it?
04:03<encode>getsmart: can you confirm that nothing is actually listening on your linode on that port? use the following command:
04:04<encode>netstat -a --numeric-ports | grep 1723
04:05<getsmart>yeah, nothing is ther, confirmed anche double checked
04:05<getsmart>it loloks like some zombified system, an ip is .de
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04:06<getsmart>well, saved logs in a safe place for now
04:06<getsmart>thank you very much guys
04:06<getsmart>I will study that software, before to re-activate that service
04:20<Nigel>either I'm going mad, or my computer can nolonger count :P
04:24<Nigel>and as soon as I accuse my computer of not been able to count my connection drops :P
04:25<irgeek>Vengance shall be swift and harsh!
04:27<Nigel>on another note, I must have good favour with the Printer gods
04:27<Nigel>I've had my laser printer for ~2 years and it's only ever asked for paper
04:27<SpaceHob1>proper laser printers are great that way
04:27<irgeek>The printer gods are not good to me for they have not yet blessed me with a color laser.
04:28<Nigel>SpaceHob1: this is an el-cheapo brother printer
04:28<irgeek>Mine's about that old too.
04:28<irgeek>Mine's an el cheapo HP.
04:28<Nigel>ewww :P
04:28<irgeek>I think I paid about $100 for it.
04:28<Nigel>The "Starter Toner Cartridge" is only meant to do 1,500 pages
04:29<Nigel>I must be at the 2.5k-3k mark
04:29<irgeek>I don't know what mine was meant to do, but it hasn't run out so far.
04:30<irgeek>And best of all, it doesn't dry out like all the cartridges in every inkjet I've ever owned did.
04:32<Nigel>irgeek: :P
04:32<Nigel>ohhh Brother use SPARC processors
04:32*Nigel quickly goes and installs linux
04:33<Napta>or Solaris !
04:33<Nigel>First I'll try Vista :P
04:36<Nigel>wtf... TSA changed the rules so they can deny flight to people that refuse to provide ID
04:37<Nigel>it's okay if you claim to have forgetten to bring it
04:41<Nigel>wtf, someone likes their Slashdot modpoints... all the comments are Scored 5
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04:42<Nigel>sorry, I lie, there is one Scored 4, I wonder if that was a mistake...
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05:15<Hali_303>hi ppl
05:16<Hali_303>my problem is that I've set up an SMTP server, but I cannot connect to it from the outside. telnet localhost 25 works, however from the outside it doesnt.
05:16<Hali_303>iptables rule: -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
05:17<Hali_303>(the same rule is used for http, https, etc and they all work..)
05:17<Hali_303>maybe the datacenter is restricting port 25 access or what?
05:18<Peng>The data center is not.
05:19<Hali_303>hm, then what could be the problem? :(
05:20<Peng>I don't know.
05:21<Peng>Your SMTP server is configured to listen on more than just
05:21<Peng>Err,, I mean.
05:25<Hali_303>hm just installed a basic postfix setup, I'll check that
05:25<Hali_303>but if the mail server would not accept the connection, telnet would print "connection refused"
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05:25<Hali_303>instead of just hanging (which is a sign of firewall blocking the connection)
05:26<Hali_303>but i'll check, I hope you are right and that is the problem
05:26<Peng>Hali_303: Maybe your ISP is interfering.
05:26<Peng>Hali_303: What's your Linode's host/IP? Mind if I try to test it?
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05:27<Hali_303>see pm
05:27<Peng>Hali_303: Works for me.
05:27<Peng>Haha, and I don't know how to get out. :P
05:27<Hali_303>then my bloody ISP is probably blocking
05:28<Hali_303>type quit
05:28<Hali_303>hmm. I knew that they are blocking incoming smtp connection, but did not know that the are also blocking outgoing ones.. fine
05:28<Peng>Thank the spammers of the world.
05:29<Peng>You could try using a different port, or just use your ISP's SMTP servers.
05:30<Hali_303>yeah sure, I just wanted to test it
05:31<Peng>Of course, trying to circumvent their blocking might get you in trouble.
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06:21*irgeek always has Postfix listen on smtp (25), submission (587) and 2525 to get around annoying ISPs
06:25<Nigel>issue is ISPs are getting more and more annoying :)
06:27<irgeek>That's an annoyance I'm willing to live with and work around.
06:27<irgeek>It cuts down on quite a but of spam
06:28<irgeek>I wish all ISPs would do it to be honest
06:28<irgeek>Residential ones at least
06:28<irgeek>Maybe let be people pay extra if they want to be allowed past it
06:29<Napta>give them a static address too
06:30<Napta>Makes me wonder who is buying the crap in their inboxes anyways. There must be some profit in this
06:30<irgeek>Really, anyone who wants to run a mail server shouldn't be running it on residential class Internet service anyway.
06:31<Napta>Well, definitely not residential class DHCP scope address range. but there are a few geeks who do it with a static address I guess. Although with VPS systems so cheap these days, why bother
06:31<irgeek>Either set up a Linode for $20 a month or sign up for Google Apps for you domain.
06:32<irgeek>The one thing I've found common across every kind of residential Internet connection is that they break.
06:33<Napta>Well hopefully their resnet is just a secondary MX ;)
06:33<Napta>if anything
06:33<irgeek>I would not trust my hosting to a residential line.
06:33<Napta>absolutely not
06:33<irgeek>Did you mean spam repository? That's what secondary MXes end up being these days. :)
06:34<Napta>I have enough time trusting hosting to one DC with a bunch of different uplinks these days. Let alone a single DSL link
06:35<Napta>I've noticed that since my secondary MX was created, the spam to the primary has dropped by 40% or so - and deferred to the secondary heh
06:35<Napta>spam load balancing
06:35<internat85>that is typical
06:35<irgeek>Agreed. I'm trying to figure out how to run a second mail server on my other Linode and keep the mailboxes synced.
06:35<Napta>Just means theres one more network route now serving spam
06:36<internat85>most spam systems target secondary mx as they typically have less spam measures
06:36<Napta>internat85: well, thats the the theory. Hopefully people who even bother to run a secondary MX are smart enough to protect it to teh same level as their primary
06:36<internat85>yes.. ou would hope that wouldnt you
06:37<Napta>I like to see the good in people :)
06:37<irgeek>Many of the secondary MX service providers I've seen have no spam protection. Nor do they have a way to sync address lists so they just accept anything.
06:37<irgeek>Very ugly results.
06:38<Napta>Yeah typical secondary MX behavior is to just accept any user @legitdomain and forward it on... then the primary says HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
06:38<Napta>keeping users in sync can be challenging I guess
06:38<internat85>yeah im doing mysql replication on all of my mail hosts. so they can verify users.. atleast i think.. maybe not though.. i should look at that
06:38<encode>use openldap :)
06:38<Napta>yup, I too
06:39<internat85>actually thats a point, how does one do user replication on postfix secondary.. like how do you tell postfix to check users.. do you do a lookup on email address
06:40<encode>how else would you do it?
06:40<internat85>relay transport type lookup? hmms i should have thought it thru
06:40<irgeek>The last deployment I did, I sent off an email to the guys hosting DNS to configure the MX. I noticed a few days later that there were thousands of bounces in the queue. I checked, and the DNS provider had been "helpful" and added their own mail server as a secondary without asking or telling me.
06:41<irgeek>After a short but loud and animated conversation, I made them see the error of their ways.
06:42<Napta>how odd. I cannot reach google
06:42<Napta>ah, thats better
06:43<Levia>irgeek: old apache problem seem to be back. threads are using 60mb each again, while ruby and such is disabled. wondering why it gets more ever ytime
06:43<irgeek>internat85: The quick-and-dirty way to do user replication is a cron job on the primary MX that pulls the user list from MySQL/LDAP/whatever and rsync/sshes it to the secondary then a cron job on the secondary that picks up the file, stuffs it in /etc/postfix and runs postmap.
06:44<irgeek>Levia: Apache does some cacheing and loading after it loads as well. If you're not swapping all the time, I wouldn't worry about it.
06:45<Levia>okay, Ill check if it's swapping
06:45<internat85>umm well i dont need that since i have mysql replication on the mail server boxes
06:45<internat85>im more refering to how the 2ndary does lookup based on email rather then domain
06:45<Levia>vmstat 1 shows 0 with si and so all the time
06:45<Levia>procinfo: swap out: 87897 swap in: 54176
06:46<irgeek>What's your uptime?
06:46<irgeek>internat85: I'm not understanding what you mean by that.
06:46<Levia>06:46:22 up 6 days, 14:02, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.06
06:46<internat85>postfix yeah?
06:46<internat85>i have a relaymaps thing that does a check based on domain.. im asking if you can change that to do it based on addresses rather then domain
06:47<irgeek>That much swapping in 6 days isn't too bad. But keep an eye on it.
06:47<internat85>relay_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/
06:48<Levia>irgeek: ok. I noticed two users are logged in - this should be one
06:49<exor674>Levia: do a 'who'
06:49<irgeek>internat85: I sort of understand I think. Let me ponder...
06:49<Levia>exor674: thank you
06:49<internat85>i could probably use relay transport maps
06:50<irgeek>Levia: Did you leave yourself logged in under Lish?
06:50<Levia>irgeek: thank you, that was it
06:54<irgeek>internat85: Does your MySQL table include just usernames or full email addresses?
06:55<internat85>doesnt really matter. my current one has full emails, but the new system is different but has functions that return the email address so..
06:55<internat85>for most of my systems the username is the full email address
06:55<irgeek>If you have the full email addys, the secondary needs a relay_recipient_maps:
06:59<irgeek>Postfix ignores the second column, so if you have some disabled addresses with specific REJECT messages, the secondary won't do that.
07:00<irgeek>The second column in the lookup that is.
07:01<irgeek>In the table, not the lookup. I'm being dumb today. :)
07:09<internat85>thats ok :) i just did some testing and it works
07:09<internat85>i actually have different spam measures on my 2nd then my main.. my 2nd does grey listing.. the main does spamassasin and amavisd
07:10<irgeek>Do you have any stats on how many messages get pas grey listing vs get blocked?
07:11<internat85>i cant say i do, to be honest, i was just being lazy and cbfd configuring spam assisin and all of thata again
07:11<internat85>but in my new mail plan that all changes anyway
07:12<internat85>im gonna setup 3 "gateway" mail servers that are publicly facing and accept all data, and then do spam processing and what not, and then feed back to other servers the proper data :)
07:13<Napta>I'd rather just reject it at the gateway too
07:13<irgeek>How much mail are you handling? That sounds like a lot.
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07:13<Napta>sounds a bit honeypot ish
07:19<internat85>im not accepting much email at the moment, but im planning big things :P
07:20<internat85>well maybe anyway, depending on how much motivation i have
07:20<irgeek>That sounds familiar. ;)
07:21<internat85>i just realised i should add checking like check_recipient_maps to the start of most of my postfix servers.. makes sense to check if the user is valid BEFORE attempting to do spam checks
07:21<internat85>actually.. that might only be the case on my postgrey'd servers
07:21<internat85>i think the amavisd one comes after by default
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07:30<irgeek>Depending on the spam checks you're talking about, the addresses should be checked first anyway. Anything that happens after DATA is guaranteed to be after address checks.
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09:26<noah>hey - question for the group - looking into using linode, and trying to evaluate from a performance perspective
09:26<noah>have a high load site, mostly bc of mysql, qith many queries
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09:26<noah>anyone have any thoughts on pros / cons?
09:27<Alucard>what load average, on how many cores?
09:27<noah>right now we're running mysql on an NT
09:28<noah>prob about 500k queries / day
09:28<noah>with spikes
09:28<noah>1gb database
09:29<mwalling>linode has a 7day moneyback gaurentee
09:29<mwalling>try it and see
09:29<path->i think a big concern would be memory
09:30<path->management of the server is easier in the vps world
09:30<path->just need to know how much memory mysql will use running your code under linux
09:31<path->you can change plans pretty easily with linode, you just put in a ticket and migrate your linode to another host
09:31<mwalling>noah: put it this way, runs on a linode, with a mysql backend
09:32<path->my site runs on a linode with a mysql backend, but i don't have any visitors.. it's just my personal site which i use more for email than anything :)
09:33<noah>got it
09:33<noah>so, just so I understand correctly, handling the traffic spikes should work fine, as long as I allocate memory appropriately
09:33<noah>another related question: is performance pretty consistent?
09:34<noah>so, if usage spikes across the linode, will the virtualization handle the load well?
09:34<noah>just for context, the application is an ad network
09:35<noah>so lags could potentially effect site load times
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09:35<path->the hosts are dual quad core xeons and they set hard limits on how many virtual machines per host
09:35<path->under xen, your linode will see four cores
09:36<path->if you spike it could influence your neighbor
09:36<mwalling>path-: at least quad cores, some are 8 cores
09:36<path->getting larger plans will result in less linodes per host
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09:36<path->like there are 40 360's per host, 30 540's, 20 720's and so on
09:37<path->i'm not positive about the numbers, they are in some FAQ
09:37*mwalling is looking for them
09:37*mwalling pokes caker... that needs updating for the 2880's
09:37<path->in the member's page, there is a little graph showing the host load
09:38<path->mine is always low
09:38<path->if your site is very intensive, you may want to upgrade to a larger plan
09:38<path->then there is less contention
09:38<noah>and we can upgrade dynamically, correct?
09:38<linbot>mwalling: Linode360 - 39, Linode540 - 24, Linode720 - 11, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0, Linode2880 - 0
09:39<path->as long as stuff is available
09:39<path->everything is prorated with them to the day too
09:39<path->they are very fair when it comes to billing
09:44<noah>ok, thanks
09:45*tasaro finishes his day at the insurance company and goes back to working for Linode
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09:46*scott is still stuck at an insurance company
09:46<@tasaro>oops.. forgot my knife
09:46*scott pulls it out of his chest
09:47<scott>here you go
09:47<@tasaro>thanks! why don't you guys get anything right?
09:47<scott>dude, i just work in IT
09:48<@caker>quack quack
09:50<scott>caker: only one more episode for 2008! :(
09:52<@caker>They're splitting the season out again .. or is this it?
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10:01<scott>caker: yeah, next half will be january 09
10:01<@caker>that sucks...
10:01<scott>what are we going to do for six months
10:01<scott>i mean wtf
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10:04<path->i've been watching all the old ones via netflix trying to catch up.. as soon as i catch up they'll be off the air
10:04<scott>you lose
10:04<mwalling>sounds like lost
10:05<path->bsg captured my attention more so than lost
10:06<@caker>soooo ... if I add new nameservers, queue all the zones to rebuild, it'll work -- but those new ones will be "stealth" nameservers or whatever (not listed as authoritative at the registrar, but are listed in the zon)
10:06<@caker>will that, or anything else I'm missing cause a meltdown?
10:07<path->can we add these new nameservers to our domains when they are all up and running
10:08<path->i suspect it shouldn't matter if a server is hosting zones.. it really just matters if they are listed with the registrar
10:09<path->as long as they get notifies properly
10:09<path->one of the name servers picks up on my changes instantly and the other one seems to take 15 minutes or so (using slave zones pointing to my linode)
10:10<path->well, i just checked the logs and last time it was only a few minutes
10:12<path->no that was two times ago.. last change.. Jun 5 23:48:18 for and Jun 6 00:14:24 for
10:12<path->i sent the notifies at Jun 5 23:48:17
10:13<path->seems odd..
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10:45<Alucard>what died?
10:45<linbot>tasaro: Linode360 - 79, Linode540 - 24, Linode720 - 31, Linode1080 - 15, Linode1440 - 10, Linode2880 - 5
10:45<path->only moly
10:45<path->i can't type
10:45<path->holy moly
10:45<linbot>Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 5, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 1, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 1, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 78, Newark540 - 54, Newark720 - 25, Newark1080 - 15, Newark1440 - 10, Newark2880 - 5
10:45<Alucard>they keys are pretty close
10:46<cruxeternus>Newark getting fat and happy.
10:47<path->well, it has to catch up with the others!
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10:48*cruxeternus ponders migrating.
10:49<Hobbsee>right. start the stopwatch for how long they take to sell.
10:51<lanstin`>`It's true we can open a ticket to request migration to Newark?
10:52<StevenK>I have to say, I love the migration stuff
10:53<lanstin`>I'll have to shutdown my ERC connection I guess, but I can't resist. (I'm east coast and it's a bit faster, and I'm curious about the Xen hosts).
10:53<path->migration between datacenters will require you to change your ip address
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10:54<lanstin`>ERC = emacs IRC client. Is there anyway to get the new IP#s before the migration?
10:54<@caker>lanstin`: we'll tell you what they are in the ticket when we configure the migration.
10:55*lanstin` goes to lower TTL in my DNS zones.
10:55<path->emacs has an irc module? for some reason that really doesn't surprise me
10:55<gotta_pay>I'm having problems trying to pay linode. Is this the right place to ask?
10:55<mwalling>path-: hurd + emacs == linux
10:55<lanstin`>caker: thanks
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10:59<roberto>hi all
11:00<roberto>hola path
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11:41<mwalling>caker: we need to allow AXFR to those now, or are they pulling from ns1,ns2?
11:42<path->they don't seem to be responding (yet?)
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11:42<ibinsad>hello there
11:42<ibinsad>someone know if linode are planning to expand in europe ?
11:43<scott>they just went further east
11:44<ibinsad>i ask because i want to create a cluster of multiple vps geographic dispersed
11:44<ibinsad>ec2 amazon have a datacenter in europe
11:45<scott>there you go
11:45<exor674>I wonder if I could get away with selling an old hard drive full of cement as a 1 yB drive
11:46<ibinsad>if i buy more linode i have discount ?
11:47<@jadoba>ibinsad: no, but we offer 50% extra hard disk space for customers who pay 1 year in advance
11:48<mwalling>ibinsad: linode != amazon
11:48<ibinsad>i know
11:48<ibinsad>linode is better
11:49<@tasaro>yeah, you don't get to talk to bezos over irc
11:49<mwalling>Houston != Dallas.
11:49<ibinsad>if need lot more space how much will cost ?
11:50<ibinsad>in the panel you can expand with more 6 giga
11:50<path->i think if you work out the figures, it's in your best interest to just upgrade to the next plan
11:50<@tasaro>anything more tha that and you're better off upgrading to the next plan
11:50<@tasaro>we have some storage solutions on the board for later this year
11:51<@tasaro>or you can use S3 if that works for you
11:51<mwalling>tasaro: have you guys decided how the "storage solution" will be exposed? (nfs, etc)
11:53<@tasaro>it's still in the early stages... not sure what caker is leaning towards
11:53<Alucard>the left.
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12:02<Xel>tasaro: caker kept promising me sometime soon on the storage nodes.
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12:05<mwalling>Xel: he said Q3
12:05<mwalling>its still Q2
12:06*jkwood Q2s mwalling
12:08<Xel>Q3 starts in 3 weeks.
12:08<mwalling>Xel: and?
12:08<mwalling>i can do lots in 3 weeks
12:08<mwalling>Q3 is also 13 weeks long
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12:17<HoopyCat>bomb drops, not math quizzes
12:21*jkwood quizzes HoopyCat
12:25<ibinsad>i can use multiple linode in different locations, then if i need more storage use S3 is good or you consider other solutions ?
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12:25<exor674>ibinsad: yeah, you can have linodes in different locations
12:26<ibinsad>considering have lot more storage is better a cdn ?
12:26<ibinsad>linode for database , php ... storage for videos images
12:26<HoopyCat>jkwood: fortunately, i have one more go on it, which i'll take advantage of this evening, because i have a test on this material tomorrow.
12:27<jkwood>Ouch. Which math?
12:27<HoopyCat>jkwood: three problems were because of stupid shit, too. 5*5=10 and 4^2=8 and v-6=0 -> v=-6
12:30<HoopyCat>jkwood: intermediate algebra; nothing too tough, which is the ridiculous part
12:31<HoopyCat>if this were a final exam, 1) i'd fail the course and 2) it would be a great dishonor to my family
12:31<HoopyCat>i do note that i improved after i put pants on and got a second cup of coffee.
12:32<jkwood>Been taking lessons from scott, have you?
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12:35<HoopyCat>1-12: 5 problems wrong. 13-25: 2 problems wrong (and one i could, if it mattered, make a good case for)
12:35<HoopyCat>tell me pants aren't important
12:35<HoopyCat>s/and one/one of which/
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12:39<djweezy>out of curiosity anyone know why all 8 or so of my domains just had there dns regenerated?
12:39<djweezy>and no i didnt change them all
12:39<tjfontaine>ns3 and 4 were just added
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12:40<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: an approximately correct exposure will be obtained on a sunny day by setting your f-pants to f/16 and mooning speed close to the reciprocal of the ISO speed of your underwear
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12:40<tjfontaine>double ha
12:41<sveiss>last time I took the reciprocal of my underwear in public, I was arrested :(
12:42<r3z>Anyone run a dedicated CS:Source server?
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12:44<jkwood>I imagine they do, or people wouldn't be able to play online.
12:44*r3z smacks jkwood
12:45<jkwood>Metaquestions are bad, m'kay?
12:45<bliblok>Is this correct?
12:46<bliblok>I am trying to order a full year, to get the extra 5gb.
12:46<path->yea, they prorate until the first of the month
12:46<path->and then charge for a full year then
12:47<path->i think
12:47<path->hopefully one of the ops chimes in
12:47<bliblok>heh, you seem to be right.
12:47<jkwood>caker: Awaken!
12:47<bliblok>It says so right above the part i pasted.
12:48<bliblok>"If you are paying annually, please note that the first month is pro-rated. You will be invoiced for a full year on the next 1st."
12:48<bliblok>Thanks for your help anyway.
12:48<path->no problem
12:49<bliblok>Anything else i should bother reading before placing my order?
12:49<tjfontaine>everything :)
12:49<@caker>did you check the "First Born" checkbox?
12:50<jkwood>You should read those first. :)
12:50<@caker>ok .. ns3 and are now in the mix, and should be working
12:50<bliblok>caker: No, i didn't ;)
12:51<@tasaro>bliblok: just add ?activationBy=tasaro to the end of your URL
12:51<jkwood>There, fixed that for you.
12:51<bliblok>The registration process isn't very Norway-friendly, I'll have to make up a few fields.
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12:52<jkwood>You zip code is "4".
12:52<bliblok>jkwood, tasaro: Which one of you pays the most?
12:52<path->caker, i'm getting SERVFAIL
12:52*tasaro points at jkwood
12:52<bliblok>I actually have that. But Norway isn't big enough to have states/provinces within it.
12:52<jkwood>It's true.
12:52<@caker>path-: what zone?
12:53<bliblok>And theres no telephone number printed on my visa card.
12:53<jkwood>bliblok: Is there a 800 number?
12:53<path->i figured i should try something else
12:53*jkwood looks at his
12:53<bliblok>jkwood: Nope
12:53<jkwood>24-hour customer service?
12:53<@caker>path-: it's still catching up with xfers
12:53<path->oh ok
12:54<path->you know what, i should probably add these new ip's to my access list
12:54<bliblok>jkwood: No phone number at all.
12:55<jkwood>Hmm... if the company you got it from has a website, they should list some phone number on there.
12:55<@caker>bliblok: card phone number isn't absolutely required -- just enter in something
12:55<jkwood>Or you could use 1-800-MIKGRB
12:55<jkwood>Bah... I borked it.
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12:56<bliblok>They supply a number to call if you lose the card to have it blocked. I'll put that in.
12:56<Battousai>or perhaps 867-5309
12:56<jkwood>There you go.
12:56<jkwood>I either used the 24-hour customer support number, or the number that lets me find ATMs. =/
12:57<Battousai>so caker knows the nearest atm for your bank...
12:58<jkwood>I wish him good luck with that. I don't think *I* can get cash from an ATM with this thing.
12:58<@tasaro>the phone number is more to check against fraudulent signups, but entering 1-800-MIKEGRB gets you an instant pass
12:58<jkwood>Don't enter that in your phone, though. *shudders*
12:59<bliblok>tasaro: It couldn't have been more instant, I Have already chosen a location for my linode.
12:59<Battousai>well it's toll-free at least
12:59<jkwood>Battousai: Some things, you shouldn't give away.
13:00<path->named[4465]: client transfer of
13:00*jkwood transfers path-
13:00<Battousai>named with its cryptic log entries
13:00<path->it's not cryptic
13:00<path->client transfered domain
13:00<Battousai>"transfer of"!
13:01<jkwood>Battousai: Transfer of superpowers on deathbed, probably.
13:01<path->transfer of '': AXFR started
13:01<path->i didn't want to spam the channel too much
13:02<path->it digs now
13:02*path- goes to edit the zones
13:02*jkwood spams path-
13:03*path- blacklists jkwood
13:04<jkwood>Took you that long, did it?
13:06<path-><-- slow
13:07<jkwood>I'm famous now.
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13:10<bliblok>Is the Fedora 9 image working?
13:11<@caker>mikegrb: --^
13:11<path->so.. after making a change, picked up the notify immediately, came three minutes later, and and came a couple minutes after that
13:11<bliblok>Err, it is, I just had to push enter once after it booted.
13:11<@mikegrb>bliblok: yes, though the firewall is enabled by default
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13:11<bliblok>It didn't display the login prompt automagically.
13:12<@mikegrb>silly fedora proabably want to turn that off
13:12<@mikegrb>will disable it in the image later today
13:13<bliblok>I have been using Fedora on a box here at home, so I know about quite a few of the quirks.
13:13<jkwood>"In Slackware..."
13:13<bliblok>I just didn't think about pushin enter at first when it stopped at "Starting anacron: [ OK ]"
13:14<bliblok>And there were quite a few error messages that made me think it might have failed booting.
13:17<bliblok>Jun 11 13:15:36 localhost modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/ No such file or directory
13:17<jkwood>Run depmod.
13:17<Battousai>mkdir /lib/modules/`uname -r` ; depmod -a
13:19<path->it may try to set the clock or something too.. it should automatically get the time from the host
13:20<path->you can disable that if you want, but they run ntp on the hosts and it works for me
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13:22<path->for some reason godaddy isn't letting me set ns3 or ns4.. i wonder if they can't resolve it yet or something
13:22<path->they are very helpful with the custom nameserver tab..
13:22<path->"Errors were detected.
13:22<path->" is all i get
13:24<lanstin`>See ya in Newark.
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13:24<jkwood>path-: Godaddy hates you.
13:24<path->i know.. when they expire, they will be moving
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13:26<jkwood>Just the thought of Godaddy upset the SpaceHobo enough to make him leave.
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13:30<path->their web stuff is annoying
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13:30<path->although back in the day, it was worth it to switch to them from network solutions.. that bit was really overpriced
13:31<jkwood>path-: I liked them when I was with them, although I admittedly just used them for registration.
13:32<path->we use them at work for ssl certs too
13:32<jkwood>I'm pretty sure I adblock half their website, too.
13:33<path->kinda reminds me of walmart, their cheap but you feel dirty after leaving
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13:37<jkwood>I don't feel dirty after leaving Wal-mart.
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14:07<HoopyCat>I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Please say "eat", "a", "dick", or "robot", or say "oklahoma tertiary umlaut discombobulated" to speak with a customer service representative.
14:10<jkwood>"oklahoma tertiary umlaut discombobulated"
14:12<HoopyCat>I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Please say "frobulate woonsocket", "brainly cabbage", "tonawanda duplexer", or "niacinamide bifurcation", or say "staedtler difluoroethane" to speak with a customer service representative.
14:13<jkwood>"periodontal hypermetabolism"
14:14<HoopyCat>Please wait while I transfer you to a customer service representative. (45 seconds of awkward ringback) Hi! I'm Peggy, Deltrack's automated customer service agent!
14:21*mwalling farts into the phone
14:21<mwalling>HoopyCat: you pretending to be NiMo?
14:22<HoopyCat>It appears you're calling to report a gas emergency. Please hold!
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14:34<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: wxxi?
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14:42<rpminihan>Hello gents. I've got a big cyrus imap problem. After doing a global reconstruct on my mailboxes, 3 users can no longer see any of their folders. The messages in their inboxes are visible though.
14:42<rpminihan>Does anyone know where cyrus maintains a "folder list" ?
14:42<rpminihan>The directories for the folders are intact and have the correct permissions.
14:43<tierra>depends on what type of mailbox format you were and are using now and how you did any conversion
14:43<tierra>Maildir or mbox?
14:44<path->i usually use "reconstruct -xrf"
14:44<rpminihan>I've done no conversion.
14:44<rpminihan>I believe it is maildir. Individual files for each message.
14:44<path->i'd make sure permissions are correct on both the files in /var/spool/imap and in cyradm
14:44<rpminihan>mbox is one big file right?
14:44<path->cyrus has it's own maildir format
14:45<rpminihan>So you are saying I should check the acls through cyradm?
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14:45<rpminihan>I'll give that a check.
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14:46<path->sam foo all
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14:46<jkwood>You can make it out to "JKWood" in the amount of $800, thanks.
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14:49<HoopyCat>mikegrb: ?
14:50<@mikegrb>wow I was right
14:50<rpminihan>Is there a recursive flag for sam?
14:50<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: I found an expired wxxi membership card in your trash
14:50<path->sam* foo all
14:50<@mikegrb>well the city's trash
14:50<@mikegrb>it doesn't belong to you on the curb
14:50*mikegrb runs
14:50<@jadoba>no, but sam curses if you flog him
14:51<path->no problem
14:51<path->did that help?
14:52<rpminihan>Checking right now.
14:52<HoopyCat>mikegrb: ah! that'd be the one.
14:52<path->rpminihan: "lam" should list all the acls
14:53<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: also, try to get to mowing the yard sooner next time, you are making the neighborhood look bad
14:54<path->did someone send him a complaint?
14:56<rpminihan>When I do cyradm -u Username and then an lm it is only list the folders that show up for the user currently. About 80 percent of their folders are not showing up in the client nor in cyradm.
14:57<path->you need to use the user cyrus runs as
14:57<path->probably "cyrus"
14:58<rpminihan>cyrusimap on this system.
14:58<path->when you use that, you can edit acls for any user
14:58*jkwood edits path-s acls
14:58<path->also, i usually su to that user to run the reconstruct command
14:58<path->i didn't think it worked as any other user
14:59<path->did you have a disk problem, or do a restore or something?
14:59<rpminihan>Yes, I sudo'ed to the cyrusimap user when I ran reconstruct.
14:59<rpminihan>No, a user had moved a huge number of messages around in a mailbox. That corrupted the box.
14:59<path->if you restore files, they need to have the correct user/group perms
15:00<path->thats odd
15:00<rpminihan>I agree.
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15:00<rpminihan>Seems to happen about every 4 - 6 months.
15:00<path->i have moved tens of thousands of messages around without problem
15:00<rpminihan>What os?
15:00*jkwood runs
15:00<rpminihan>Yeah. This is on OSX server. Not by my choice though.
15:01<rpminihan>I swear, if you give this box a dirty look, it will shit itself.
15:01<path->i don't have much experience with cyrus on that.. i do like osx for my home use
15:01<path->what filesystem?
15:02<path->using mirrored disk
15:02<rpminihan>Mirrored even.
15:02<path->we use to run our rhel linux box connected to an xraid over fiber channel
15:02<rpminihan>At least according to the system.log I'm not getting IO errors.
15:03<path->for cyrus
15:03<path->worked well
15:03<path->we then moved to an equallogic san and the performance is much better
15:03<rpminihan>About a year ago, this box kept running out of disk space, and cyrus would shit all over itself then.
15:03<path->but we have a lot of users
15:03<path->yea that's bad
15:03<path->it does weird crap with indexes too
15:03<rpminihan>I've addressed the disk space issues, but I'm suspicous of this filesystem.
15:04<path->there is some sizing there that needs to be just right
15:04<rpminihan>I'm a gentoo / debian/ redhat kind of guy. OSX server makes me itch. ;-)
15:04<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
15:04<jkwood>" Slackware "
15:04<rpminihan>I cut my teeth on slack, but I wouldn't use it in production these days. Except maybe on something embedded.
15:05<jkwood>Just curious.
15:05<rpminihan>Just a pain not having an online package manager.
15:05<rpminihan>Mostly sysadmin laziness. ;-)
15:05<jkwood>"dependency manager"
15:06<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
15:06<path->doesn't slackware have installpkg
15:06<rpminihan>Yeah, but you still have to go get the packages yourself.
15:06<path->not that i would defend the use of slackware
15:06<rpminihan>When I work with slack, I tend to just do everything by hand from source.
15:06<rpminihan>But admittedly, I've not touched it in a couple years now.
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15:07<jkwood>Just in case you feel like playing. :)
15:07<charlie>How do I setup the Private IP in Arch Linux?
15:07<jkwood>There's been a lot of changes in the past couple of years. :)
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15:07<rpminihan>Anything has got to be better than osx server.
15:08<charlie>anyone know?
15:08<rpminihan>And just so you don't get the idea that I'm some apple hater, I'm at WWDC right now.
15:08<path->i haven't admin'd an osx server
15:08<path->but i like my imac and macbook a lot
15:08<charlie>I'm getting a lot of "No such device" messages when i run this: ifconfig eth1 netmask up
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15:08<jkwood>charlie: I'm looking for you, one second. :)
15:08<path->charlie: you may need to reboot after adding the private ip
15:08<rpminihan>None of the Apple engineers I spoke with had any idea on how to fix this imap problem.
15:09<charlie>path-: ah, damn it
15:09<path->rpminihan: you have /var/lib/imap/db?
15:09<path->i'm not sure where osx would put that
15:10<path->in rhel, it puts some import index stuff in there
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15:10<path->and i've had to fiddle with the DB_CONFIG file
15:10<path->cause the thing will just barf if it isn't set right
15:10<path->i think it's when the number of our users or concurrent users grew
15:11<rpminihan>Doesn't appear to be a DB_CONFIG there.
15:12<path->i don't think it exists until you have problems and need to create it
15:12<path->i'm just mentioning this in case you see messages like in that blog
15:12<path->cause that took some time to figure out when we first started using cyrus
15:13<jkwood>Okay, I'm clueless. Where did the private IP stuff go?
15:13<@caker>Network ?
15:13<rpminihan>Is there a way to list users instead of mailboxes?
15:13<jkwood>Ah, that does it.
15:14<jkwood>Blog post needs updated. :p
15:14<path->rpminihan: not sure, i'd probably look at /var/spool/imap or your equiv
15:14<jkwood>charlie: Are you running that as root?
15:15<@caker>charlie: did you reboot once after acquiring the private IP?
15:15<charlie>jkwood: yeah
15:15<charlie>caker: not yet
15:16<jkwood>Ding ding ding!
15:16<@caker>charlie: you'll need to before you get an eth1
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15:20<getsmart>how to check if my linode is xen or uml?
15:21<anderiv>getsmart: cat /proc/cpuinfo
15:21<anderiv>if there's more than one core, you're on xen.
15:22<getsmart>vendor_id : User Mode Linux :)
15:22<getsmart>thanks anderiv
15:22<linbot>tjfontaine: Linode360 - 75, Linode540 - 54, Linode720 - 30, Linode1080 - 14, Linode1440 - 9, Linode2880 - 5
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15:26<linbot>Dallas360 - 1, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 5, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 2, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 1, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 72, Newark540 - 54, Newark720 - 24, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
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15:43<kupesoft>Any promotion codes?
15:43<mwalling>mmcake gets you free setup
15:43<kupesoft>There's a setup fee?
15:43<tjfontaine>running gag
15:43<kupesoft>... :(
15:44<mwalling>there is a non-coded promotion of pay anually get 50% more diskspace
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15:44<jkwood>Which is a good deal.
15:45<kupesoft>I just want to sign up for 1 month with a 360 account, then if I like the service, I'll buy a better one for my client :)
15:45<kupesoft>I suppose 19.95 isn't too bad, especially with the weak American currency :)
15:45<scott>those weak americans
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15:45<mwalling>bite me scott
15:45<emag>morbo will devour them!
15:46<jkwood>scott: Put pants on and say that to my face.
15:46<emag>err, us
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15:46*scott pulls out of jkwood's mouth and puts pants on
15:47<scott>just doing what i was told!
15:48<scott>no clicky until verified by chucky
15:48<lenards>quick question - I deleted my profile / disk image / swap / everything...
15:48<lenards>wanted to start over... but for some reason my Dashboard disk usage didn't reset/refresh
15:48<kupesoft>So, how can I set the account to *not* bill my credit card?
15:48<kupesoft>On the 30th of June, just cancel the account?
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15:49<@caker>lenards: you have to wait until the jobs compelte
15:49<lenards>so it shows that I'm at 100% usage... is that normal?
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15:49<@caker>lenards: if the disks are still there, yes
15:49<lenards>caker: I waited for the deletion jobs to complete before proceeding
15:50<lenards>caker: am I hosed? should *re*-start over again?
15:50<@caker>lenards: what's the linode's username or label?
15:50<lenards>caker: lenards
15:51<@caker>You have two disks. One that's 15104 MB and one that's 256 MB
15:51<@tasaro>kupesoft: you'll need to log in and cancel on the 30th (or cancel before then and receive a pro-rated credit to your account)
15:51<@caker>Therefore, 100% of your disk space is allocated towards disk images
15:51<kupesoft>tasaro, but I can't set it to not bill me
15:51<lenards>caker: aaah... so it's not reporting the usage among the disk... sorry
15:52<kupesoft>tasaro: That's fine, I'll just cancel on the 30th :)
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15:52<kupesoft>... if I have to,
15:52<lenards>caker: wasn't sure if I was in violation or on the edge of getting flagged or something
15:52<@caker>lenards: nah -- it's impossible for you to use more than what you've been allocated
15:53<Battousai>highly improbable
15:53*jkwood puts that on his STFU list
15:53<kupesoft>One last thing, can I select which data centre to use after I've signed up? There didn't seem to be a spot for it...
15:53<@caker>kupesoft: on first log in, yes
15:54<kupesoft>perfect, thanks guys
15:54<lenards>caker: thanks
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15:55<Battousai>i like the last entry on the checklist
15:55<@caker>tisk tisk
15:55<jkwood>caker: ?
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15:56<Battousai>that explains it
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15:57<Alucard>how come when I do: mysql -u foo -p bar < oof.sql > rab.txt
15:57<Alucard>the columns in rab.txt are not separated by | ?
15:58<Alucard>I want the pretty table in the file, like what I get in the mysql shell
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16:03<irgeek>Alucard: mysql --table -u foo -p bar < oof.sql > rab.txt
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16:03<irgeek>Default for non-interactive is CSV format.
16:03<Alucard>magic! thanks
16:03<Battousai>csv rocks
16:04<Battousai>unless you have commas in the data
16:04*jkwood rocks Battousai's csv
16:04<mwalling>nativly querying mysql rocks. csv is a nice intermedary
16:04<kupesoft>The wording on the FAQ is bad, I thought the account came with two IP addresses...
16:04<tjfontaine>Battousai: escaped csvs rock
16:04<tjfontaine>kupesoft: you can have a public and private ip
16:04<mwalling>Yes. All new accounts come with one IP and are permitted to add an additional IP via the Linode Manager.
16:05<kupesoft>Okay, I read it poorly :(
16:05<irgeek>Plus a private IP for the DC's backend network.
16:05<irgeek>So you can have three IPs assigned.
16:06<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:06<jkwood>Getting a second public IP is cake.
16:06<Battousai>plus whatever you want in 127/8
16:07<irgeek>And signing up with a tunnel broker will get you more IPs than you know what to do with.
16:07<Alucard>can I have ?
16:07<irgeek>Of course, they're IPv6 so nobody will use connect to them yet, but that is likely to change in a couple of years.
16:08<Battousai>sure can
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16:08<Battousai>might have to modify the IP stack though
16:08<tjfontaine>robbed bit tcp
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16:09<jkwood>Hmm... anybody got a good howto for IPv6-enabling your desktop?
16:10<irgeek>For the local network or publicly routable?
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16:10<irgeek>Local just requires turning it on for most modern OSes.
16:11<irgeek>Publicly routable requires a tunnel broker and a gateway that understands IPv6
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16:17<rvhi>hi, thinking about my backup strategy, is it possible to save an image and have a hot copy in another DC. when the node have trouble, just reboot the new image?
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16:19<irgeek>rvhi: You can duplicate images between datacenters, but you need to have a Linode in the DC you want to copy to.
16:19<kupesoft>I'm getting perl locale errors...
16:19<irgeek>Also, you can't do IP failover between DCs, you would need to reboot and change DNS
16:20<@caker>kupesoft: ubuntu 8? if so: localedef -i en_US -c -f UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8
16:20<Battousai>ubuntu has numbers?
16:20<jkwood>irgeek: Thanks. :)
16:21<jkwood>I just want to set it up on my desktop, so I can get to IPv6 sites.
16:21<path->numbers > names
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16:21<Battousai>which am i using?
16:21<jkwood>! people still use ubuntu?!?!
16:21<tjfontaine>ubuntu numbers are release dates :)
16:21*tjfontaine spanks jkwood
16:21<irgeek>Battousai: 8
16:21<Battousai>but it says hardy in source
16:21<Battousai>better change it then
16:21<rvhi>irgeek: change dns is fine, also i need to change ip
16:22<Battousai>mmm ubuntu hardly
16:22<path->Battousai: cat /etc/issue
16:22<rvhi>irgeek: at least it is much fast than reinstall the system
16:22<rvhi>irgeek: how to duplicate image to another dc?
16:22<@caker>rvhi: utilities->clone
16:23<irgeek>rvhi: You need to shut down your Linode to get a clean copy.
16:23<path->jkwood: ??
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16:23<irgeek>If you don't there is a high likelihood that the copy will corrupted.
16:23<rvhi>irgeek: that's not very practical, can it do on the fly?
16:24<irgeek>If you want a broken filesystem, yes you can.
16:24<rvhi>of course depends on how broken
16:24<irgeek>Doing a hot copy like that is like hooking a second computer up to your hard drive and copying it.
16:25<rvhi>if the application cleans up all data, that's ok
16:25<irgeek>rvhi: There's no telling how broken.
16:25<irgeek>It's not about the application.
16:25<tjfontaine>does the host job queue let a clone happen with the source running?
16:25<irgeek>If /bin/init or /bin/bash get corrupted, you're not going to boot successfully.
16:26<rvhi>i have seen some people use 'tar' to backup the whole OS during running, then move it to another computer and extract
16:26<irgeek>tjfontaine: It does let you, but it's an incredibly unreliable operation.
16:26<tjfontaine>rvhi: you'd more likely want rsync
16:26<rvhi>init and tar are supposed to be static
16:26<irgeek>rvhi: That will work, but rsync is much better.
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16:27<jkwood>path-: Heh... I saw that. Not what I was going for, though.
16:27<irgeek>rvhi: Yes, they are supposed to be static. But you can't guarantee that running a hot-copy of an open file system.
16:28<pdepartida>so an incremental rdiff backup will not be reliable? i mean, can i couple all systems files on rdiff including operating system, lamp server and except it to work?
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16:28<irgeek>If you're going to be running two Linodes for this anyway, shut down the first one, duplicate it to the second one, then use rsync to keep them synced.
16:28<rvhi>ok, we are talking about another strategy now. Rsync / to a backup linode, when original node down, just cp the copy to backup node /, make sure no override IP, then reboot?
16:29<irgeek>pdepartida: rdiff runs inside your Linode. We're talking about cloning a disk from the Linode Manager while it's mounted and being accessed.
16:29<rvhi>irgeek: don't want to shutdown
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16:29<rvhi>want to have the working already running
16:30<irgeek>What are you talking about cping there?
16:30<rvhi>with rsync/rdiff, we can do it every few minutes, the data is more current
16:31<rvhi>1. rsync/rdiff node1:/ to node2:/backup/node1/
16:31<pdepartida>will rdiff appropiately copy mysql databases and system files?
16:31<rvhi>2. when something happens to node1, on node2, do cp /backup/node1 /
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16:31<irgeek>pdepartida: MySQL no. Most things yes.
16:31<rvhi>3. don't override ip address, reboot
16:31<irgeek>You need to do a dump or a MySQL hot-copy
16:32<rvhi>mysql needs to use mysqldump or master/slave
16:32<path->i'd setup two hosts, and use rsync to sync datafiles only.. not os stuff
16:32<path->then use mysql replication
16:32<path->even though that can get glichy
16:32<path->and stop
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16:32<irgeek>rvhi: Why do you want the secondary to store everything under /backup?
16:32<pdepartida>path: that's the thing mysql replication has shown kind of a pain for me...
16:33<irgeek>Just about any kind of replication is a pain. :)
16:33<rvhi>then whenever you install any apps, you need to do it on the dest if you only backup datafile
16:33<rvhi>i am thinking about N+1 backup
16:34<irgeek>You need to keep the os layout in sync no matter what.
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16:35<rvhi>if i copy / to dest node, then dest node only needs minimum system installed
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16:35<rvhi>i don't have to worry about add a new package when i update any of the N nodes
16:35<irgeek>rvhi: But it will need a full system installed to take over.
16:35<path->jkwood: the finally up?
16:36<rvhi>ya, just cp backup copy of a node, then reboot
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16:36<rvhi>to create another backup node is easy, basic system + backup data
16:36<irgeek>And software versions need to bee in sync or the secondary may choke on the data files from the primary.
16:36<jkwood>path-: Don't know yet.
16:36<rvhi>well, if you cp /, then all software versions are current
16:36<jkwood>Doesn't look like it. =/
16:37<path->oh you said "finally".. I was confused
16:38<tjfontaine>caker: can I have CONFIG_TASKSTATS and CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING enabled please? :)
16:38<jkwood>No, I tried to connect to an ipv6 site through my ssh connection... hilarity ensued.
16:38<irgeek>Ok, but why not have the primary just *be* a copy all the time? Why do you want to keep it under /backup? You're going to have to twiddle config files in all likelihood, and I'd rather know what needs to be fixed *before* I have to deal with a disaster recovery.
16:39<@caker>tjfontaine: noted
16:39<tjfontaine>caker: thanks
16:40<jkwood>caker: Can I have CONFIG_OMG_FAST_ZOOM enabled please?
16:40<rvhi>irgeek: so i can backup several nodes on a single backup node
16:40<@caker>I like to car
16:40<irgeek>We like da cars, da cars dat go boom!
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16:41*jkwood backups mwalling
16:42*sveiss cdrs the cars
16:42<irgeek>rvhi: What you probably want then is a backup management system that uses the backup Linode as a media server.
16:42<irgeek>Then you can restore to another host from it more easily.
16:43<tjfontaine>bacula or backuppc :)
16:43<irgeek>Yeah. Them.
16:43<irgeek>I was trying to remember the names.
16:43<rvhi>irgeek: why can i restore it on the backup node and get it run
16:45<irgeek>To put it simply, cp is not a backup or restore program. You can't easily do dailies/weeklies/monthlies and you can't do automatic compression. If you want several Linode's backups to fit on one other Linode, you'll want compression.
16:45<Napta>cough legato
16:45<path->legato is extinct
16:45<irgeek>Yet another one. :)
16:45<Napta>cough "EMC"
16:45*jkwood legatocoughs Napta
16:46<path->emc is not a program to back stuff up :)
16:46<path->networker :)
16:46*Napta coughs some violence
16:46<irgeek>And BackupExec - but the latest version is crap.
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16:46<Napta>or Net Backup
16:46<irgeek>BackupExec used to be really nice, but I hate it now.
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16:48<wladek>cough cpdup
16:48<Napta>I hear they're throwing away backup exec and buying someone elses medium size backup software
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16:49<irgeek>Seriously? Let's hope they buy something better. The Symantec forums have been full of irate customers for the last couple of years.
16:49<kupesoft>reboot doesn't reboot the machine, it halts it :(
16:50<@caker>kupesoft: it reboots it is Lassie is enabled
16:50<Napta>errr not backup exec, retrospect
16:50<Napta>I'm tired
16:51<kupesoft>Lassie is enabled,
16:51<Napta>Although with that said, they're releasing "Retrosepct X" for OS X soon
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16:52<rvhi>seems to lots of program for various kinds of approaches, can i do the easy one, use rsync to spare node (i.e. less traffic), not all node use the full disk space, let's say 2G on each node for 3 node only requires 6G backup space
16:52<rvhi>then to restore, use cp to /
16:52<path->what is a halfop?
16:52<Napta>You could do a 7 day rotating rsync
16:52<Napta>Very easy
16:52<kupesoft>Can I change the ns records for "vanity" nameservers,
16:53<kupesoft>i. e. make my own nameservers (, point to and,etc
16:53<irgeek>kupesoft: Don't
16:53<@caker>kupesoft: you can kinda .. but only if you run the zone somewhere and make our manager slave off your nameserver
16:53<rvhi>irgeek: some hints, pls?
16:53<@caker>kupesoft: and then you could add your own entries but use our nameserver IPs
16:53<Napta>rvhi: A text book 7 day incremental rsync (as listed in their examples)
16:53<Napta>works very well
16:53<irgeek>kupesoft: A reverse lookup on the IP will still show
16:53<rvhi>Napta: let me look it up
16:54<Napta>top example
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16:54<kupesoft>You guys should make it so as a reverse lookup is optional...
16:54<irgeek>rvhi: If you're going to rsync one way, you can rsync the other way too. It's much faster
16:54<irgeek>kupesoft: That's not possible.
16:54<kupesoft>Sure it is,
16:54<rvhi>irgeek: you mean, setup a new node, rsync data back?
16:54<irgeek>The Internet doesn't work like that.
16:54<kupesoft>I mean theoretically, just not in your system,
16:54<irgeek>rvhi: Yes.
16:55<kupesoft>Let me explain it,
16:55<irgeek>kupesoft: Not even theoretically.
16:55<kupesoft>Basically, you fix and ns2.linode (i. e. -- they never change),
16:55<kupesoft>Then at my domain registrar, I create nameservers, and
16:55<kupesoft>I point those addresses to and
16:55<Napta>via a CNAME ?
16:56<irgeek>That doesn't have anything to do with rDNS
16:56<kupesoft>No, actually creating nameservers
16:56*jkwood blinks
16:56<tjfontaine>let's get the rdns portion
16:56<Napta>kupesoft: why don't you just reference ns1 and ns2.linode ?
16:56<rvhi>irgeek: the spare node is running already, it is probably fast to get it up, though DNS change may take time
16:56<HoopyCat>why not just buy two linodes and use them as nameservers?
16:56<tjfontaine>I want to hear the rdns part!
16:56<kupesoft>I'm just saying it's possible
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16:56<Napta>yeah where does rdns come in to it, kupesoft
16:57<path->i'm curious about the reverse part as well
16:57<rvhi>irgeek: if disater hits, half of Cal falls to the ocean, it is going to take some time for fremont to back up
16:57<kupesoft>then for the rDNS, don't use, instead use
16:57<irgeek>kupesoft: It's not though...
16:57<tjfontaine>kupesoft: ...
16:57<kupesoft>Which is the same address as
16:57<@jadoba>kupesoft: stop
16:57<HoopyCat>so, forgive me for not knowing much about DNS, but... what does have to do with the price of...
16:57<kupesoft>They are the same address, I'm just saying, it's possible :(
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16:57<@caker> would resolve to ns1's IP, which the IP would rdns back to
16:57<irgeek>kupesoft: IT'S NOT FSCKING POSSIBLE!
16:58<irgeek>We are all telling you that. Please listen!
16:58<@caker>rdns is tied to the IP address
16:58<kupesoft>Ah, okay
16:58<Napta>your registrar might not like that either
16:58<kupesoft>of the nameserver,
16:58*caker gives irgeek milk and cookies
16:58*jkwood ties caker's IP address
16:58<@jadoba>kupesoft: reverse DNS means you are searching for the ip address and getting a domain name back
16:58<kupesoft>You win
16:58*kupesoft concedes
16:58<HoopyCat>so instead of IN PTR, you want IN PTR
16:58<bd_>theoretically one could make a new IP for the nameserver which has no rDNS at all
16:58<bd_>then someone could google for it :D
16:58*irgeek goes to make tea
16:58<kupesoft>Are nameservers reverse looked-up?
16:58*jkwood IN PTRs HoopyCat
16:58<kupesoft>Or just domain names?
16:59<jkwood>All servers.
16:59<kupesoft>blah, I've confused myself
16:59*caker is in ur rdns
16:59<irgeek>I will start killing if soon...
16:59<HoopyCat>if you're asking "are there PTR records for ns1/", then the answer is yes
16:59<path->the best thing for kupesoft to do would be to use multiple linodes for his own dns and his own reverse dns
16:59<HoopyCat>if you're asking "does anything care", the answer is "probably not"
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16:59<kupesoft>But as per RFC, they should mutually resolve...
17:00<path->RFCs are not laws
17:00<@caker>kupesoft: did you see uname -r yet? linode is in the kernel string, too
17:00<jkwood>Ack! You're right?
17:00<HoopyCat> IN A, IN PTR
17:00<@caker>We're everywhere, baby.
17:00<HoopyCat>the .com giveth, the .arpa reverseth away
17:00<jkwood>I'm Ron Burgundy?
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17:00*jkwood reverseths HoopyCat
17:01<HoopyCat>it's like the beans and the franks, you need both for the sauce to be just right
17:01*path- reverses his commute to work
17:01<kupesoft>Is there an API for setting dns records?
17:01<tjfontaine>in the works
17:02<kupesoft>I just said, "saweet"... :(
17:02<Napta>I quite like the dns manager web interface, thouh
17:02<HoopyCat>you just said "I just said, \"saweet\"... :(" :-/
17:02<HoopyCat>ok, this is getting silly :-)
17:02*HoopyCat goes back to fixing tunnel anomalies
17:02<jkwood>kupesoft: Don't feel too bad. I still think I should be able to collect commission on every new account.
17:03<jkwood>Silly rules.
17:04<irgeek>HoopyCat's .com giveth comment made me laugh which dispelled most of my fury. Tip-o-the-hat to you. I can be civil and play again.
17:05*jkwood stops pouring incense down irgeek's intertubes
17:08<HoopyCat>i can either make people laugh, or i can rip people's heads off and shit down their necks. the former is less messy...
17:08<jkwood>!dns HoopyCat
17:08<linbot>jkwood: Host not found.
17:09<jkwood>See, HoopyCat, you don't really exist. I knew it!
17:09<HoopyCat>are ns3/ns4 safe to add to my domains at the registrarr?
17:10<jkwood>Surely so.
17:11<mwalling>HoopyCat: well, they've been trying to axfer from me all day
17:11<kupesoft>can I beta test the dns api?
17:11<irgeek>It looks as though they are.
17:11<HoopyCat>* IN CNAME ; temporary placeholder for testing mikegrb 2008/06/11
17:11<irgeek>kupesoft: The beta cannot change live DNS info.
17:12<HoopyCat>(DISCLAIMER: don't go to, please don't, just don't go there, this is the official disclaimer, thanks)
17:12<mwalling>kupesoft: would seem to indicate yes.
17:12<jkwood>HoopyCat: Somewhere, somebody just spit coffee on their keyboard.
17:12<irgeek>But you can play with it.
17:13<jkwood>And poked their eyes out with a pencil.
17:13<irgeek>jkwood: That doesn't erase what you've seen.
17:13<irgeek>Oh how I wish it did.
17:13<HoopyCat>"Sorry, has been blocked on this network connection. It's for the best."
17:13<jkwood>irgeek: Blind irc user, eh?
17:13<irgeek>Especially after seeing tub girl, lemon party, two girls one cup, etc.
17:15<irgeek>I've come close to doing it.
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17:16<irgeek>Somewhere there's a video where had his iSight start recording then sat his friend down and told him to access two girls one cup. The look on his face is classic.
17:17<irgeek>Maybe the world's best video of what absolute horror looks like.
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17:30<lenards>curious - I'm running Debian, which .deb's do I want - i386? (choices for mod_security are: amd64, i386, powerpc, all)
17:31<jkwood>I'm guessing i386.
17:31<lenards>that was mine too
17:31<lenards>but the 'all' throws me
17:32<jkwood>Silly Debian.
17:33<irgeek>Definitely i386
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17:37<Asim>anyone know how i can unblock ports with apparmor?
17:38<bob2>where do you see an 'all' package for mod_security?
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17:46<lenards>there is no 'all'... I realized that's the mod-security-common deb file
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17:54<pbryan>Hmm. No /dev/net/tun in Xen node?
17:54<pbryan>Do I need to manually mknod in Linodes?
17:56<@caker>mine has one
17:59<pbryan>mknod did the trick.
17:59<pbryan>(plus mkdir)
17:59<pbryan>Was not /dev/net in Ubuntu 8.04 image.
18:00<pbryan>Are you running udev in your image?
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18:07<pbryan>caker: Am I missing something?
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18:15*pbryan throws linbot a botsnack
18:15<linbot>thanks, Alucard!
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18:15<linbot>Alucard: *click*
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18:18<@caker>pbryan: I'm not really sure .. I suppose it's not uncommon to require mknoding of some stuffs
18:18-!-mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker
18:18<pbryan>caker: Well, I can manually mknod or add udev; either seems to work, so I'm okay... ;)
18:19<pbryan>Methinks probably udev should be left in the Ubuntu images.
18:19<@caker>I agree.
18:19*caker pokes mikegrb
18:19*mikegrb pokes caker in the eye
18:21*jkwood pokes mikegrb in the caker
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18:28<irgeek>Ugh. People are dumb. I tried to read the comments on the /. story about the iPhone 3G requiring activation as sales time, but only about 1% of the comments seem to be written by people with two brain cells to rub together.
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18:28<Alucard>browse at +5
18:28<tjfontaine>! people still read /. comments!?
18:28<tjfontaine>die linbot :)
18:29<jkwood>! people still use /.?!?!
18:29<jkwood>irgeek: I think it's getting worse. =/
18:30<irgeek>Alucard: Your logic implies that only the 1% will be moderated up to +5, but this logic falls apart when you realize that only 1% of the people with mod points have two brain cells to rub together.
18:31*pbryan pokes mikegrb
18:32<irgeek>jkwood: Agreed. I rarely read /. anymore, and when I do I feel dissatisfied and dirty afterwards. Maybe I should give it up completely. So sad to see what was once entertaining and informative turn into a pile of shit.
18:32<tjfontaine>like scott
18:33<tjfontaine>minus the entertaining and informative part
18:36<Battousai>i'm considering the cheap iphone
18:37<Battousai>i have att and am due for replacement some time in september
18:37<tjfontaine>I'm getting it in ..
18:37<tjfontaine>29 days, 6 hours and change
18:40<irgeek>I have--and love--an iPhone. While the new one looks nice, the hardware upgrades (3G & GPS basically) aren't interesting enough to me to upgrade. The cell tower locator is accurate enough for me and 3G coverage isn't good enough in Denver yet.
18:41<tjfontaine>caker: you should let inform linbot how to identify with services :)
18:41<irgeek>If, however, I didn't already have one, I'd be lining up July 11th to get one.
18:41<tjfontaine>irgeek: sure, understandable
18:41<tjfontaine>I've been putting off my purchase because of school
18:42<Battousai>i have an htc phone for now
18:42<Battousai>non-3g, no gps, etc etc
18:43<Battousai>and getting a little old
18:43<tjfontaine>wifi and real browser?
18:43<Battousai>wifi yes
18:43<Battousai>real browser kinda
18:43<Battousai>it's windows mobile
18:44<Battousai>so i'm limited to busted pocket ie and slow as crap opera
18:44<Battousai>and that old minimo release
18:44<Battousai>especially pocket ie
18:44<Battousai>largely unusable
18:46<irgeek>I also have an unlocked, cheap-ass, bottom-of-the-line Nokia that I picked up in Egypt for peanuts. I use it when I travel, but as a phone I absolutely hate it. But it works most places so I make do.
18:46<Battousai>one of their smartphones?
18:46<Battousai>or bottom of the line regular phone?
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18:46<irgeek>No. Just a regular ohone.
18:46<irgeek>It doesn't even have a camera!
18:46<jkwood>I keep forgetting my phone has a camera.
18:47<Battousai>i use mine once in a while
18:47<Battousai>for whacky on the spot pictures
18:47<irgeek>It's an 1110i - I think the i stands for "indistinguishable from dog crap"
18:48<irgeek>It's got a regular LCD even. No color or anything.
18:49<irgeek>But the battery does last about a week with low use on a single charge which is great for travel.
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18:53<@linbot>caker: Linode360 - 72, Linode540 - 54, Linode720 - 28, Linode1080 - 14, Linode1440 - 9, Linode2880 - 5
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19:04*linbot slaps jkwood
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19:05*linbot slaps jkwood
19:05<Alucard>rogue bot
19:05*linbot snuggles up to ´╗┐Alucard
19:06*Alucard unplugs linbot *
19:10*linbot smacks pbryan with a wet trout
19:11*linbot smacks pbryan with a wet trout
19:11<irgeek>Aww. Alucard made a friend.
19:13<jkwood>At least it wasn't that other bot.
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19:16<@linbot>death begins at birth
19:18*jkwood deaths linbot
19:25<@linbot>praetorian: *click*
19:25<booja>excuse bot 3000?
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19:30<path->"a photo of naked women on all fours painted to look like cows" i need to read /. more often!
19:31<path->or not
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19:34*booja loads /.
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19:34<jkwood>Heh... I got in on the line of jokes that spawned.
19:38<booja>Although I consider myself liberal, sex with ducks is fowl play. < heh
19:38<path->too bad i don't have any mod points
19:38<booja>I don't think I ever have had mod points
19:39<jkwood>Going to mod me down, eh? Well, I just have one thing to say to that:
19:41<path->i don't have any mod points.. up or down
19:41<path->or i've been away from slashdot too long to know how to use them
19:42<path->i had some mod points a couple years ago, but didn't care enough to use them
19:42<jkwood>I've had mod points three or four times in the past six months.
19:42<jkwood>Didn't use them last time (I was stinking busy that week.)
19:43<Peng>I get mod points pretty frequently, and never use them. :\
19:47<irgeek>I can't remember the last time I had mod points.
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19:47<irgeek>I think I only modded one comment before I got bored with it.
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19:51<path->i want an iphone
19:51<Alucard>Hey! Listen~!
19:51*jkwood iphones path-
19:52<path->i think i'll cost me ~$100 to break my vzw contract
19:52<irgeek>When does it end?
19:53<path->july 2009
19:53<path->two year contract.. they say now you get $5 off each month
19:54<path->so $175-60
19:59<path->i probably could just get the cheapest plan and keep it for awhile, but i want to port my number
19:59<path->from what i read on howardforums, you need to close the account to move a number
19:59<path->and my vzw phone isn't bad, it's got a 2mp camera and all
20:00*path- just wants the new hotness
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20:00<Shawnc>how do i set rDNS?
20:00<Battousai>in the network tab in dashboard
20:01<Battousai>you need to have the forward dns pointing to the ip
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20:03<Shawnc>how do i add a cname?
20:03<Shawnc>like what is a cname*
20:07<Shawnc>The hostname you enter must have a valid A/CNAME record pointing to the IP you want to set the reverse DNS for. The A/CNAME record must be propagated and working before we will be able to find it. You may also enter the IP address if you don't want an RDNS entry for that IP.
20:07<Shawnc>i added the A name i think
20:07<Shawnc>need to w8 15 mins right?
20:07<path->you want an A most likely
20:07<path->linode has a dns manager to host your domain if you want
20:08<Shawnc>i think i added an A
20:08<Shawnc>i know i used it
20:08<path->make sure your registrar points your domain to through
20:08<Shawnc>i know.
20:09<Shawnc>i did that
20:09<Shawnc>im just adding this
20:09<Shawnc>i did that about 2 weeks ago, theres no problem with that
20:09<Shawnc>i just wanna add a rDNS
20:10<Shawnc>oh ok i got it
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20:20<ijustam>is it just me, or did this channel explode in size
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20:21<booja>what's a w8?
20:21<booja>is that like waiting but for retards?
20:22<Peng>ijustam: It hasn't gotten that much bigger in the last 2 months.
20:22<Alucard>it's short for weight
20:22<Peng>Maybe 30 people though?
20:23<ijustam>maybe i dont remember it being this large
20:26<ijustam>whats the keyboard shortcut to scroll in screen? :\
20:26<Palintheus>ctrl-a esc to enter copy mode
20:26<irgeek>Then arrows and ctrl-b and ctrl-f
20:28<ijustam>hm maybe we're thinking of something else
20:29<irgeek>That's not working?
20:30<ijustam>im using lish, and arrow keys sift thorugh my bash history
20:30<Alucard>Ctrl+A [
20:31<ijustam>i was doing it wrong :\
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20:39<ijustam>..i have a user on my system called "Brain Slug"
20:39<ijustam>i remember creating it, but i cant remember why
20:39<Alucard>they don't want you to know
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20:54<kupesoft>How can I set up kernel modules?
20:54<Alucard>are you on UML or Xen?
20:56<Alucard>there should be a trigger for that
20:56*Alucard kicks linbot *
20:56<Alucard>kupesoft: grab the source and build against it
20:57<ijustam>im still on UML? :\
20:57<Alucard>ijustam: uname -a
20:57<Alucard>domU = Xen
20:58<ijustam>Linux eternium #1 Wed Mar 5 13:57:22 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
20:58<Alucard>UML then
20:58*ijustam is old school
20:59<kupesoft>and just create the directory /lib/modules/`uname -r` ?
20:59<kupesoft>(on Ubuntu)?
21:00<Alucard>I dunno, I haven't actually "built against it"
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22:09<mwalling>version 4 :)
22:12<path->you need to find something better to do ;)
22:12<path->how about building a blacklist of marketers who pretend to be legit
22:13<path->spam irritates me
22:13<kupesoft>I rebooted a bunch of times and hit my disk IO quota email notification...
22:14<path->mapping botnet address are probably related to spammer ips :)
22:14<path->raise your disk io
22:14<mwalling>i have thought about traceroute + geoip + googlemaps
22:15<mwalling>kupesoft: it says right in the notification [paraphrased] "you're doing nothing wrong, i'm just a script that sends emails"
22:15<kupesoft>of course, what the limits on disk IO?
22:16<mwalling>with uml, look at /proc/io_something, with xen, play nice
22:17<irgeek>kupesoft: There's no hard limit as far as I know. The threshold is just a warning system so you can be aware of the situation and see what's going on.
22:18<kupesoft>cool, thanks guys
22:18<kupesoft>for your repeated answers to my annoying questions :)
22:18<irgeek>I believe that if your IO goes too high for too long and you're affecting other Linode's too much, you IO will get throttled and you will be notified that there is a real problem.
22:20<Alucard>kupesoft: that'll be $10 paypal to
22:22<kupesoft>Oh, I just rebooted 3 times in 10 minutes,
22:22<kupesoft>I won't be doing that ;p
22:22<kupesoft>I expect minimal usage compared to your other customers
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23:28<charlie>i just installed ubuntu and i can't get a network connection
23:28<charlie>anyone have any tips?
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23:30<iggy>your linode should be using dhcp by default
23:30<charlie>it is
23:30<iggy>and linode's servers should be giving out the proper IP
23:30<charlie>it did
23:31<iggy>so your linode has an IP?
23:31<charlie>eth0 is up with the correct IP
23:31<iggy>so what's the problem?
23:31<charlie>can't get any net connections at all
23:31<iggy>be more specific
23:31<charlie>how so?
23:32<iggy>you can't ssh in?
23:32<iggy>you can't telnet in?
23:32<charlie>can't ping google, can't ssh in, can't run apt-get stuff
23:32<iggy>no smtp?
23:32<charlie>as i said, no network connections at all
23:32<StevenK>Can you ping your default gateway?
23:32<charlie>mmm no
23:33<charlie>From icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
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23:33<mwalling>is 207.yaday.yada you?
23:33<mwalling>on an unrelated topic: Jun 12 02:09:08 you named[20151]: zone refused notify from non-master:
23:34<charlie>mwalling: that's me in that thing i just posted
23:34<mwalling>why is ns4 telling me about my zone?
23:34<charlie>i was pinging:
23:34*charlie prods caker
23:34<mwalling>charlie: check your routing table
23:34<charlie>wha? how?
23:35<charlie>mwalling: how do you the (8) part of the manpage titles?
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23:35<charlie>did you jsut look it up?
23:35<StevenK>No fair pointing him to the ip manual page, that doesn't count
23:35<mwalling>StevenK: how so?
23:35<mwalling>charlie: i just know it
23:35<mwalling>charlie: i'm sad, i know
23:36<charlie>okay this is annoying lol, why doesn't it just work =P
23:36<StevenK>Ah, last time I actually read the manual page for ip, it was useless.
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23:36<rsdehart>that autoresponse is wasted on this group
23:36<rsdehart>people use that infernal expression as punctuation
23:37<charlie>okay this is annoying lol, why doesn't it just work =P
23:37<charlie>okay this is annoying lol, why doesn't it just work =P
23:37<charlie>why doesn't it work
23:37<charlie>why doesn't it just work
23:37<mwalling>rsdehart: 23:37 2 mikegrb #linode: ALL -regexp -network 6oftc -pattern ^lolz$
23:37<charlie>grr what's the trigger :P
23:37<mwalling>charlie: no.
23:37<charlie>i'll just reboot it and see if it sets itself up with dhcp correctly
23:38<charlie>yep, fixed itself \o/
23:39<mwalling>charlie: ^^
23:39<mwalling>its not hard to know what section something is in
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