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#linode IRC Logs for 2008-06-16

---Logopened Mon Jun 16 00:00:09 2008
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00:00<Core2Duo>my irssi does not o back that far up
00:00<exor674>Core2Duo: o.O .. you don't have any scrollback?
00:00<cmantito>dd is a utility for moving raw data around from devices
00:01<Core2Duo>where do u back up to?
00:01<cmantito>my home systems
00:01<cmantito>and a box I have colo'd in NJ
00:01<Core2Duo>so the download process is sftp?
00:02<cmantito>dd | bzip | scp
00:02<Core2Duo>automated or manual?
00:02<cmantito>using a cron job
00:02<Core2Duo>is there a howto for that?
00:02<cmantito>I dunno
00:03<Core2Duo>thankx for the info, I'll give that a shot
00:03<cmantito>THIS IS NOT a perfect solution by any means
00:04<cmantito>if the filesystem is not read only, you could experience issues with the backup images. it's not incremental -- you get a full copy each time. and it will use a lot of transfer, even piped through a compression mechanism
00:04<cmantito>the advantage is that recovery is exactly the reverse process, plus you can fnagle it into mounting locally for manipulation
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00:06<linbot>New news from forums: Best Firewall in General Discussion <> || Attacks from in General Discussion <>
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00:10<charlie>anyone have any clue when more servers will be coming in to Dallas? caker?
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00:11<linbot>New news from forums: Mystery infestation strikes Linux/Apache Web sites in General Discussion <>
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00:17<Peng>newark6 is already having issues? It's like three weeks old, right?
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00:22<exor674>Peng: its teething :P
00:24*exor674 buys newark6 a teething ring so it stops chewing on its Xen instances
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01:33<joejaxx>Kassah: :P
01:33<Kassah>joejaxx: haha =)
01:36<joejaxx>jadoba: are you awake? :P
01:37<exor674>... so totally randomly.. why would a brownout cause my DSL modem to require a powercycle, but said modem is perfectly able to ride over a UPS switchover
01:39<Kassah>most UPS don't protect against brownouts... whereas UPS switchovers are generally seemless
01:39<exor674>Kassah: well, when it was on the UPS it worked fine
01:39<Kassah>then you might have an UPS that does =)
01:39<exor674>but my UPS decided to turn itelf into a water container when I had some plumbing isues a few weeks ago
01:39<exor674>so now the DSL modem isn't on it anymore
01:39<Kassah>there are two types of UPS... one that does... and one that doesn't
01:40<exor674>I'm just kinda o.O at
01:40<Kassah>switching to UPS generally doesn't cause a brownout
01:40<exor674>breif lack of power > breif moment of less power
01:40<Kassah>switching to battery that is
01:40<cmantito>anyone know...what IPs does Linode's DNS servers AXFR from if you set them up as a slave?
01:40<Kassah>and brief lack of power is a lot more damaging
01:40<bob2>they each axfr seperately
01:40<Kassah>than straight up no power
01:41<cmantito>ah, one IP in each DC. thanks.
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02:00<Peng>Yeah, ns[34] are new.
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02:20*StevenK gets concerned that ns3 and ns4 answer for his domain, but aren't in the NS records.
02:21<Peng>You could add them to your NS records.
02:22<StevenK>I tried that, using the DNS manager, but the records it adds look wrong
02:22<Peng>The leading .?
02:23<Peng>I get that here too, but they work fine.
02:23<Peng>See the "Render" link.
02:24<Peng>Checkzone doesn't like my SOA version number thingamabob.
02:24<Peng>"dns_rdata_fromtext: /tmp/linode-named-checkzone.txt:2: near '20080616010': out of range"
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02:25<StevenK>I get the same. I suspect. 08 -> 09 -> 010
02:25<StevenK>Whereas it should be 08 -> 09 -> 10
02:25<Peng>"January 1, 19100"
02:25<Peng>Linode's got a Y2K issue.
02:25*Peng points and laughs.
02:26<StevenK>Actually, it's the last field, which is the number of updates in a day.
02:26<Peng>I know. But it's similar.
02:27*StevenK suspects these updates won't show up now
02:28<Peng>caker: There's an issue with the DNS manager: SOA serial numbers are currently "20080616010", which is too long.
02:28<Peng>caker: Also, are you planning to automatically add NS records for ns[34], like the ones for ns[12]?
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02:35<Peng>It's okay now.
02:36<Peng>Hey, why does it say my zone was edited and regenerated almost an hour from now?
02:37<Peng>All I did was run checkzone and render. I didn't change a thing.
02:37<Peng>Nothing's different either.
02:41<cmantito>I'm transferring like a gig of shit from one box to my new 'node in the Newark DC
02:41<cmantito>the box I'm transferring it from is a box I have colo'd in the same DC
02:42<cmantito>like, ridiculous fast
02:42*StevenK blinks at the DNS Manager.
02:42<StevenK>Now it's 11
02:42<StevenK>So I've seen 08 -> 09 -> 010 -> 11
02:42<joejaxx>cmantito: can i pm you?
02:42<cmantito>I don't see any reason why not.
02:42<Peng>StevenK: 010, 10, then 11.
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02:43<StevenK>Ah, I missed the 10 in the middle
02:43<Peng>It was 7.5 minutes ago when I said "It's okay now.".
02:43<cmantito>webdocs.tgz 100% 1381 MB 12.3MB/s 01:58
02:44<StevenK>I think we'll back away from the DNS Manager, and get caker to poke at it with a stick.
02:44<Peng>Yes sir.
02:44<cmantito>12.3 MB/s
02:45*Peng drools.
02:45<StevenK>cmantito: Did you say that's in the same datacentre?
02:45<cmantito>well, it's at NAC. They have a couple buildings, I dunno where Linode's is
02:46<cmantito>but yeah
02:46<exor674>I kinda wonder what kind of speeds I would get on the internal IP if both my linodes were on the same host
02:46<cmantito>a lot.
02:46<StevenK>I regularly transfer large files between machines at the datacentre the company I work for and usually get 40MB/s
02:47<exor674>I wonder if Xen'd be smart enough to notice "oh hay, I'm the host for both of these
02:48<cmantito>UML is, so Xen probably is.
02:49*Peng wanders off.
02:52*internat85 just got his eeepc
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03:13<Navi>eeepc ftw =p
03:14<Navi>my girlfriend has one too
03:17<cmantito>sleep guys
03:18<Navi>tripoli? =p
03:20<Navi>ah :o
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03:25<irgeek>Guinness + political discussion != happy brain
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03:57<Core2Duo>is there a way to list directories and display creationdate?
03:58<irgeek>ls -l
03:58<irgeek>Or, stat dir_name
03:59<Core2Duo>how about a full listing, likle contents of my /home folder.
03:59<irgeek>But that does depend on your dilesystem tracking the creation dates though
04:00<irgeek>find ./ -type d -exec stat \{\} \;
04:01<Core2Duo>i see dates, not sure if it is creation date or modify
04:01<irgeek>ls -l will give you modification dates.
04:01<Core2Duo>I use this command from within the /home folder?
04:02<irgeek>But if you fs doesn't track creation dates, you're not going to learn anything interesting.
04:03<Core2Duo>running yo command I see loads of "access" and "modify"
04:03<Core2Duo>and "change:"
04:03<irgeek>Also, the dates associated with files and directories on most filesystems are not guaranteed. If you rely on them for anything important, you fail.
04:04<Core2Duo>actually, is is: size, file, device, access, modify, change
04:04<irgeek>Like I said, the information you get back is based on your filesystem.
04:04<Core2Duo>am running debian, would that give u a hint?
04:05<irgeek>It's based on your *filesystem*
04:05<irgeek>You are probably running ext2/ext3
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04:05<irgeek>As far as Im aware, you *cannot* trust date/time info from ext2/ext3
04:06<exor674>isn't modify and change redundant?
04:07<irgeek>One is when you change the data in a file, the other also triggers when you change permissions.
04:07<irgeek>I'm too drunk to remember which is which.
04:07<exor674>ah, cool
04:08<irgeek>There are other subtle differences too. But they are different, I assure you.
04:11<irgeek>Core2Duo: Look at the man page for tar. There are two or three options to create files with their original access and modification times. If tar can do that, so can any other program.
04:12<irgeek>Normal programs don't monkey with timestamps, but it is possible.
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04:23<Deet1>irgeek you around still?
04:23-!-Deet1 is now known as Deetz
04:23<Deetz>I have an obscure bash error that is boggling my mind
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04:25<Deetz>woo figured it out (but not on my own of course)
04:28<irgeek>I am around, but that seems of little consequence now.
04:28<Deetz>I was including brackets in a bash command and didn't know what to do
04:28<Deetz>How are you today?
04:29<irgeek>Drunk at the moment.
04:29<irgeek>And a little sad that I don't have more beer.
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04:30<Deetz>What beer were you drinking?
04:30<Deetz>and how many beer or how many litres have been consumed
04:31<irgeek>Ambrosia. I think the common folk call it Guinness.
04:32<irgeek>As to quantity, I'll just say that the bar wench had to change the keg because we finished the first one.
04:43<irgeek>I also had a crappy ham and cheese sandwich for dinner. It's quite unfortunate that the only place in Denver that has decent WiFi and beer also has a shit kitchen.
04:49<Deetz>What is it like a strip club you were at
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04:52<irgeek>If only. At least in a strip club there would be something interesting besides my Guinness to lok at.
04:54<irgeek>I call child abuse.
04:55<irgeek>And ugly baby syndrome.
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05:01<irgeek>Yet another reason to not look at old IRC logs. I said this about Debian vs Gentoo almost four years ago: "If you like that whole binary thing. There's a lot to be said for building from source. :)" Oh how things change.
05:01<irgeek>Maybe I can get caker to scrub the old logs.
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05:13<irgeek>Ah crap. mikegrb has all the logs stored too. It's going to cost me far more to get them both to scrub logs.
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05:14<sveiss_>and now you've mentioned it, I'm sure mirrors will be springing up
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05:34<irgeek>WooHoo! It's Linode's 5th birthday!
05:35*irgeek will have been here five years on Wednesday.
05:40<Peng>I'm approaching 3 months!
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05:40<StevenK>I'm approaching 3 weeks ...
05:41<irgeek>Seems I'm approaching old.
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05:48<irgeek> - I predicted the following: "I personally feel that they'll go in with guns blazing and promptly have their ass handed back to them in two pieces."
05:48<irgeek>Guess I was right.
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06:08<irgeek>oh hai!
06:09<michael_p>your servers is there a reselling point
06:09<Peng>michael_p: No.
06:10<michael_p>i am sort of novice at linux is there cps i could use without breaking the bank
06:10<Peng>michael_p: cps?
06:10<michael_p>control panel
06:10<Peng>michael_p: Oh. I dunno.
06:11<michael_p>i know you dont have cpanel
06:11<irgeek>michael_p: Linode does not provide a panel to manage your Linode. You're welcome to install the panel of your liking.
06:12<irgeek>They have an interface to manage it from the hardware side, but the software running on it is your responsibility.
06:13<irgeek>Except for the kernel.
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06:46<linbot>New news from forums: Problem with wiki in General Discussion <>
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06:48*irgeek sends off a few nasty emails to people with compromised servers
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06:50<@jadoba>joejaxx: I am awake
06:52*irgeek then goes to sleep
06:53<Peng>irgeek: Compromised servers?
06:53<@jadoba>irgeek: if they are linode customers, we would like to hear about them too
06:54<irgeek>They aren't. I just managed to get more info then IPs on some of the systems that tried to connect over SSH
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06:54<irgeek>If they were Linode customers, I'd be all over them like brown on a rotten banana.
06:55<@jadoba>irgeek: yeah, go to sleep
06:55<irgeek>And by that I mean I'd file a ticket. :)
06:55<irgeek>But yeah, time for sleep.
06:55<@jadoba>we know, irgeek, we know
06:55*jadoba files an orange soda
06:56<Deckert>so, with the distributed nature of Linode staff, an office party would be a bit difficult, right?
06:56<@jadoba>'distributed nature'?
06:56<Deckert>isn't the linode staff distributed?
06:56<irgeek>Are you trying to say I file too many tickets? My last three tickets weren't really mine, they were people who deleted their entire accounts instead of removing a Linode.
06:56<Eman>they have an office now or something
06:57<Deckert>Eman: whaaa? you mean there's no redundancy?! ;-)
06:57<@jadoba>irgeek: i love reading your tickets
06:57<@jadoba>its much more interesting than your email
06:59*Deckert was under the impression the linode staffers worked from their respective locations and that they were decentralised.
07:00<irgeek>Deckert: Telecommuting is *so* 2000. Get with the times!
07:01<Deckert>hehehe - teleportation now?
07:01<irgeek>jadoba: Oh, well that's different. Did you see the one from my sister? Good stuff!
07:02<irgeek>Deckert: I wish. Then I wouldn't have to spend 10 hours flying to France in two weeks.
07:02<Deckert>irgeek: must be terrible flying to france ;)
07:03<@jadoba>irgeek: no
07:03<StevenK>irgeek: I get to spend ~ 30 flying to Boston in a month
07:05<irgeek>30 hours to Boston? How's the weather in Siberia these days?
07:06<Deckert>okay, well, office psrty or not - let me congratulate you on 5 years, really well done.
07:06<Deckert>StevenK: land of Oz?
07:08*irgeek .sleep()
07:08<@jadoba>Deckert: no, I live in the land of Oz
07:09<Deckert>jadoba: really? which city?
07:11<Deckert>jadoba: if you're one the east-coast that'd make it arount 9pm there by you
07:11<@jadoba>I was hoping to live in Marmora
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07:12<Deckert>dunno where Marmora is - have a couple of friends staying in Sydney
07:12<@jadoba>I'm sorry, where?
07:13*Deckert suspects un-samepageness
07:13<Deckert>Australia - land of Oz - at least that's what we South Africans call it
07:14*jadoba lives in south jersey, USA
07:14*Deckert has a light go on
07:14<HoopyCat>the land of Zo, so to speak
07:15<@jadoba>backwards oz? no
07:17<HoopyCat>australian: new jersian:
07:17<HoopyCat>i'd say those're opposites
07:17<Deckert>jadoba: sheesh .. okay, so it's actually early then where you are :)
07:17<HoopyCat>(my hobby: insulting neighboring states first thing in the morning, and then claiming "huh? oh, i hadn't had my coffee yet" when they come to beat me up)
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07:19<@jadoba>HoopyCat: admit it, you just love lookin up pictures of strange men online holding tools or posing for the camera.
07:19*Deckert covers his eyes
07:20<@jadoba>(my hobby: not drinking coffee on Monday mornings so that it is definite that people get insulted)
07:20<HoopyCat>jadoba: safesearch=absolutelynot
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08:11<Isvara>"50.0% of queries will end in failure at ( - query timed out"
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08:16<Internat>err.. what?
08:17<@caker>Isvara: fixed
08:18<Internat>dare i ask what that was?
08:18<Isvara>caker: Cool. What was up?
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08:31<@caker>Isvara: log file explosion
08:31<Isvara>I hope no one was hurt.
08:31<Alucard>three walls were taken down, but no human casualties
08:32<Isvara>Fire dept won't let anyone back in until all the ASCII is cleaned up?
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09:02<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
09:02<linbot>New news from wiki: How to set up your Linode <> || Bandwidth <> || Slackware 10.0 <> || Host SSH Key Fingerprints <> || Apache2 SSL in Ubuntu <>
09:03<row>Oh yeah what is going on with the move to Xen by the way?
09:03<cruxeternus>linbot triggering mikegrb is loltastic
09:03<cruxeternus>row: How do you mean?
09:04<row>well the blog suggested tehere would be a upgrade schedule for moving UML hosts over to Xen.
09:04*row has not seen one :P
09:04*row might of missed it
09:04<cruxeternus>Already on Xen, so haven't been paying attention. :)
09:05<row>Well untill it was offically out of beta I did not want to use it for production stuff just in case.
09:05<row>now I am just wondering when the move will happen.
09:06<cruxeternus>You can request a migration, btw.
09:06<cruxeternus>And you'll get the next Xen slot that opens up.
09:06<row>yeah I know
09:06<HoopyCat>when the kid next door walks on the moon!
09:06<row>just not that bothered right now just wanting to know when the move will be forced, if ever.
09:07<cruxeternus>HoopyCat is a little more wild than usual.
09:07<cruxeternus>Ah, in other words... you want to know when you will be experiencing mandatory downtime :)
09:08<HoopyCat>row: haven't seen anything yet, but judging by past history, you'll get some amount of notice via e-mail before the Reboot
09:09<row>I am sure
09:10<row>but I think be bit more than a reboot no?@
09:10<row>like there is a libc for xen in debian for example
09:10<row>so I am just wondering about planning, maybe move a bit earlier so I can set a time etc
09:10<row>but I am lazy so rather not :D
09:10<HoopyCat>row: from what folks have said, it's just a host reboot. :-) the uml -> xen "manual migrations" have involved only a wee bit of xenification to the linodes, so it's very plausible.
09:11<row>ah k
09:11<cruxeternus>Yeah, the migration is completely hands-off
09:12<cruxeternus>it will automatically make a change to /etc/inittab and /etc/fstab each, and that's all that's needed.
09:12<cruxeternus>(the first time you boot)
09:12<row>ta for the info
09:13<row>might move my personal linode to the NJ DC and at same time xen (which I presume is all xen).
09:13<row>as I am in UK and get 30ms+ less to it than current one.
09:13<cruxeternus>Yeah, should be a good move all around.
09:14<linbot>Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 1, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 , Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 , Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 , Newark360 - 92, Newark540 - 49, Newark720 - 16, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4
09:14<cruxeternus>haha 92 Newark360's
09:15*cruxeternus buys a few dozen.
09:15<row>think my person one is a 540
09:15<row>but forgotten tbh
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09:24<JDLSpeedy>im trying to set up a wildcard in the dns *.whitelist and it says its an invaild domain
09:24<JDLSpeedy>how can i add a wildcard to a subdomain?
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09:35<Navi>via the dns manager at linode I was able to just enter ' * ' for an A record Oo
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09:38<JDLSpeedy>Navi: i don't want *, I want something like *
09:38<Navi>ah sorry
09:38<Navi>maybe *.* =p?
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09:39<JDLSpeedy>im trying to setup a dbldns
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09:40<JDLSpeedy>caker, tasaro, mikegrb: ?
09:46<row>hmm do you need to raise a support ticket to migrate a linode to a new DC?
09:46<row>or once you shut it down migrate option opens up?
09:47<JDLSpeedy>row: you need a support ticket
09:47<row>And if I remember rightly you can pick when to move it right?
09:47<JDLSpeedy>then they set you up, and you can migrate when ever you want
09:47<row>they just give you access to command or wahtever
09:48*row raises ticket
09:51<@caker>o hai
09:52<scott>row: submit a 2nd ticket to make sure they get the first
09:53<cruxeternus>I'll submit a ticket to make sure they got yours too
09:53*Hobbsee submits tickets, saying that there are never enough tickets going around.
09:54*Deckert submits a ticket complaining that there are too many tickets and that his never get attention
09:54*cruxeternus submits a paper ticket.... never trusts those electronic ballots.
09:55*Hobbsee submits another ticket, as cruxeternus' ticket got wet in the paper mail.
09:55<Deckert>cruxeternus: gonna mail it, hmmm? through UPS? .. oh..kaay ...
09:56<JDLSpeedy>caker: you around?
10:02<Alucard>it's at rick
10:02<JDLSpeedy>how do I add a wildcard to a sub subdomain? like *
10:02<@caker>create as a zone itself
10:02<@caker>then add records to it
10:02<@caker>(which is the right way to do subdomains that have records themselves)
10:03<JDLSpeedy>ok, i give it a shot, thanks
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10:11<row>got ticket answered
10:11<row>it says my IPs are staying teh same
10:11<row>ah no sorry
10:11<row>I am dim
10:11<row>those ar ethe new one
10:12<row>dear me I can't type today
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11:00<path-> i think that guy is going to need to pay someone to remove that thing
11:01<row>Nah they will get some nutty stoner or someone on acid or something to buy it.
11:01<path->3rd floor apt and ugly
11:01<Peng>Haha, that's awesome.
11:01<The_Magistrate>I've seen desperate college students pay for worse.
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11:02<path->the only reason i clicked it, "i wonder what a $40 couch looks like"
11:02<tjfontaine>I know college students whod' love it
11:02<Peng>Doesn't it look like it's in decent condition?
11:03<path->decent in 1970
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11:04<Peng>Yeah, but the fabric looks okay, at least from the photo.
11:04<randi>hi i am rajat jain
11:04<blahness>when i log into lish and connect to my console, all i get is a lot of "syslogd: /var/log/news/news.XXXXX: No such file or directory" (with various substitutes for XXXXX) there something i should be doing to get to an actual prompt?
11:04<randi>hey so does apache come pre-installed?
11:04<Alucard>hit enter
11:04<randi>and how do i access it thru secure shell without apache?
11:04<randi>any commands?
11:05<blahness>Alucard: nothing...
11:05<Alucard>blahness: don't you get a login prompt?
11:05<path->randi: i think you need to install whatever software you want to use
11:05<path->linode images just have bare minimum
11:06<blahness>Alucard i do...then it gives a prompt and then spouts those messages...then it wont do anything else
11:06<Alucard>blahness: what happens when you log in?
11:06<randi> there any dedicated alternative to this?
11:06<@caker>zomg apt-get install apache2
11:06<Alucard>-bash: zomg: command not found
11:07<@jadoba>dot dot dot
11:07<fred>dash dash dash
11:07<blahness>Alucard: exactly as i said...i login, a prompt whizzes by while those messages come up, they stop and i cant do anything else (although i can detach from screen and connect again to get the same results)
11:08<The_Magistrate>blahness: Have you restarted your linode? I had an issue with lish which a reboot fixed.
11:08<linbot>New news from blog: Linode 5 Year Anniversary; 20% Disk Increase <>
11:08<Peng>Hey, awesome.
11:08<Alucard>oh boy
11:08<Peng>I was going to joke about what the anniversary upgrades would be, but I thought it would be rude.
11:08<randi>shud i go for slicehost or linode?
11:08<path->more diskspace with linode!
11:09<blahness>The_Magistrate: well, no...i would rather not do a restart (although that will restart sshd which was what i was going to do under lish anyway), but i would rather solve the issue without a restart if i can
11:09<Alucard>blahness: so if you can log in, why can't you do anything else?
11:09<Peng>randi: I point out that #linode may be slightly biased.
11:09<TJF>randi that's like walking into an apple store and asking if you should buy a zune
11:09<path->randi: if you are going to purchase a vps, you are going to need to install and maintain your own software
11:09<blahness>Alucard: i can not do anything after those messages
11:10<randi>and how easy is restarting and shutting down my system?...see guys...i want to use this as a remote pc...not as a if it comes with no software...its better for me
11:10<Alucard>why not? you logged in, right?
11:10<Peng>randi: We all know from personal experience that Linode is awesome, and Slicehost should be too. It wouldn't be a mistake to go with either of them. You get more bang for your buck from Linode though.
11:10<TJF>randi: it comes with just enough to get you connected to it
11:11<blahness>Alucard: right...i have no way to get back to a prompt after those messages though
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11:12<randi>hmmmm....i see that linode does offer more bandwidth an extra push for those torrent downloads ;-) ...i shud prolly go with this...
11:12<TJF>caker seems mischievous today
11:12<Peng>caker: The forum pages all have a useless, generic " - Linux Virtual Servers (VPS - VDS)" <title>. This is a recent change..
11:12<Alucard>hit enter? I get those messages too, but only every once in a while, and they don't exactly log me out or remove my prompt
11:12<blahness>Alucard: typing wont show anything, enter seems to have no effect, etc
11:12<mwalling>Peng: no... they've always had that
11:12<Alucard>that's more useful
11:12<Alucard>I dunno, reboot?
11:12<@caker>no, that went away a long time ago, but it's back after mike updated the templates
11:13<@caker>mikegrb: burn!
11:13<linbot>New news from forums: 20% more disk space. in Customer Testimonials <>
11:13<blahness>Alucard: yeah, i wanted to avoid that =/
11:13<Peng>The dashboard has always had fairly useless titles though.
11:13*Peng coughs.
11:14<@caker>Peng: they should be spot on
11:14*TJF watches mikegrb turn red
11:14<Peng>caker: Congratulations on five years, all of you. :)
11:14<path->yea, congrats!
11:15<Peng>And I'd like to point out that all (ok, most) of my whining is just meant to be constructive.
11:15<Peng>I do appreciate all of the work you put into this.
11:15<TJF>damn caker that makes 10 years of hosing my crap
11:15<charlie>caker: do you know when linode will be getting more available Linode 540s in Dallas?
11:15<TJF>haha *hosting
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11:15<@tasaro>charlie: do you have a ticket open?
11:16<TJF>worst typo EVAR
11:16<charlie>tasaro: yeah
11:16<charlie>i'm cmelbye
11:16<Peng>TJF: You're using Xen, I take it? ;)
11:16<TJF>peng: I'm still on a UML host
11:16<blahness>there are some things in a screen session i would like to save and all services besides sshd are working properly, so i would rather not have to issue a reboot, but... =/
11:17<Peng>blahness: lish doesn't involve sshd.
11:17<@tasaro>charlie: i updated your ticket about an hour ago -- no eta at this time
11:17<blahness>Peng: i know...the reason i need to use lish in the first place is to restart sshd
11:17<Peng>blahness: ok
11:18<blahness>though lish doesnt seem to be working, so...
11:18<randi>anybody got any offer codes or discount codes or similar?
11:18<charlie>tasaro: oh, allrigh
11:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:18<Alucard>use code CAKE for free setup
11:18<Peng>randi: No. But if you sign up for a year, you get 50% more disk space.
11:18<Peng>Did you guys see my DNS comments from a few hours ago? The SOA serial number got too long (the last two digits went from "09" to "010", then to "10" and "11"), and I was wondering if you planned to add NS records for ns3 and ns4.
11:19<charlie>Alucard: setup doesn't cost anything in the first place, does it?
11:19<path->randi, if you sign up today, you get 20% more disk space than yesterday!
11:19<Alucard>charlie: ding ding
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11:20<charlie>oh wait, cool, we got more disk space, i just noticed P
11:20<@caker>Peng: No, I didn't see that. It changed from 2008061609 to 20080616010 and then to 2008061610 ?
11:20<Peng>caker: Yes.
11:20<@caker>which nameserver?
11:20<@caker>all of em?
11:20<Peng>caker: I didn't check. That's what the dashboard said though.
11:21<@caker>I assume when you rendered the zone, you mean?
11:21<Peng>caker: Yeah.
11:21<StevenK>caker: checkzone pointed it out
11:21<StevenK>And complained loudly
11:21<@caker>Peng: also, you should already have ns3 and ns4 records -- I rebuild all the zones last week
11:21<Peng>caker: Oh, ok. I had added them on my own. :P
11:21<blahness>caker: any idea on what i could do to get lish working for me, or should i just suck it up and issue a restart (and lose some reports in a screen session...)?
11:22<StevenK>caker: They don't show up in the DNS Manager, like ns1 and ns2
11:22<@caker>I'll check into that
11:22<@caker>blahness: what's the problem?
11:22<StevenK>caker: Would you like a ticket, or you'll just scribble a todo note?
11:22<@caker>StevenK: I got it, thanks
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11:23<TJF>path-: the possum one is better :P
11:23<path->i did not see that one
11:23<blahness>caker: i log into lish (as i need to restart sshd on my server) and get a bunch of "syslogd: /var/log/news/news.XXXXX: No such file or directory" (with various substitutes for XXXXX) messages after the prompt....after which no amount of typing or hitting enter seems to have *any* effect...i can still detach from screen and go back to my console though
11:24<@caker>blahness: it doesn't even echo back what you enter?
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11:25<randi>so i am signing up....but it shows price=$19.95 and pro-rated=$9.98....grand total=$9.98...wats pro-rated?
11:25<blahness>caker: i see no response from anything i type whether it is enter, characters, etc
11:25<TJF>!google pro-rated
11:25<linbot>TJF: Search took 0.24 seconds: prorated - definition of prorated by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <>; prorate - definition of prorate by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <>; prorated - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: <>; Self-service, Prorated Super Computing (3 more messages)
11:25<@caker>randi: you pay from now until the end of the month
11:25<@tasaro>randi: today until the end of the month
11:25<@caker>blahness: control-q ? :)
11:26<blahness>caker: nothing
11:26<randi>didnt get....y r they asking me to pay only half-price?
11:26<blahness>randi: there is only half of the month left
11:26<charlie>randi: because we're half way through the month
11:26<The_Magistrate>You don't pay for the part of the month you didn't have a linode.
11:26<randi>ohhhk....damn me!
11:26<charlie>randi: you're paying for what you're going to use for the rest of June, then pay in full starting July
11:27<randi>so its same billing cycle for
11:27<@tasaro>you can always go somewhere else and be forced to pay for 3 months up front ;)
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11:27<@caker>StevenK: looking at your zones, I see all 4 nameservers in both the DNS Manager and your zone files on the nameservers
11:29<StevenK>caker: I added ns3 and ns4 manually
11:29<randi>@tasaro: i know where u pointed ;-)
11:30<StevenK>caker: has only 1 and 2, and ns3 answers only ns1 and ns2 in the NS records.
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11:31<jkwood>caker: <3 <3 <3
11:34<Peng>caker: Also, with the default NS records, the dashboard says the subdomain is "", but with added ones, it's "", with a dot. The render thing doesn't show a difference.
11:34<@caker>yeah -- that's fixed in the API branch
11:34<randi> invoice and payment much time will it take to setup?
11:34<@caker>randi: about 22 seconds
11:34<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
11:35<Isvara>Maybe he meant 'to' as in 'until'.
11:35<Isvara>So HA!
11:35<randi>lol....its activated...dats fast man!
11:35<Alucard>he's from Inida, I think his English is doing well
11:35<@jadoba>randi: yvw
11:36<@jadoba>(means "you're very welcome")
11:36<randi>thanks! :-)
11:36<path->if it was until, it would have to be setuped
11:36<path->which is why it's not a verb
11:36<TJF>i thought it was your volkswagen
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11:38*jkwood logins
11:38<path->did you logined?
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11:38<djweezy>did i get more storage on my linode?
11:38<Peng>djweezy: Yes.
11:38<jkwood>djweezy: But it belongs to me.
11:38<Peng>caker: You should /topic the anniversary and upgrade.
11:39<mwalling>djweezy: read the blog
11:39<blahness>djweezy: this your first linode upgrade? ;)
11:39<djweezy>i dont remember
11:39<straterra>Can I reside my storage for my Linode without powering it down?
11:39<randi>I have to say, this is really impressive! Brilliant job!
11:39-!-caker changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Support | | Linode 5 Year Anniversary; 20% Disk Increase -
11:39<mwalling>straterra: no
11:39<mwalling>straterra: you cant resize active partitions
11:40*jkwood patronages caker
11:40<straterra>So..then yes :)
11:40*straterra notes ext3 has a resize-live-fs capability
11:40<mwalling>fs != partition
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11:41<blahness>caker: would you like to take a look at the lish console?
11:41<@caker>blahness: sure
11:42*The_Magistrate ponders what to do with his extra 20%....
11:42<scott>Fred Porn
11:42<mwalling>fscking kbd
11:43*blahness prepares to flagellate himself
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11:43*The_Magistrate prepares to defenstrate all the porn addicts in #linode.
11:44<cruxeternus>ZOMG Moar disk!!
11:44<randi>When I see my linode manager and see list of my linodes, the Ip that appear under "Network" is my dedicated IP?
11:44<Peng>randi: Yep.
11:45<cruxeternus>time to make my root bigger than 512MB :D
11:45<Peng>randi: Well, the eth0 IP.
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11:45<@caker>blahness: no clue.
11:46<blahness>caker: do you get the same thing?
11:46<@caker>blahness: do you have ssh access to the linode?
11:47<@caker>blahness: maybe try killing off the getty on tty0 ?
11:47<blahness>caker: no...i needed to use lish to restart sshd
11:47<@caker>I see...
11:49<StevenK>caker: I can see that ns3 and ns4 have popped into my DNS Manager, thanks!
11:49<@caker>StevenK: yeah -- I removed your manually-entered records, too
11:49<@caker>Peng: you should do the same
11:50<StevenK>caker: I saw that, thank you
11:50<Peng>Awesome, now I have duplicates. :)
11:50<Peng>Even the render thing duplicates them. :)
11:51<Peng>I deleted them.
11:51<bd_>ooo the first surprise upgrade since I signed up :D
11:51<Peng>Me too.
11:51<Peng>Err, same here.
11:52<CaptObviousman>caker I'd give you a kiss, but I don't think I could do it and still retain what little masculinity I have left
11:52<Alucard> does this look correct?
11:52*CaptObviousman coughs
11:52*Peng rubs CaptObviousman's shoulders.
11:52*CaptObviousman kicks SpaceHobo in the janskies
11:52*Peng runs away.
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11:52<CaptObviousman>actually that felt really good Peng
11:52<CaptObviousman>get over here
11:53*blahness reluctantly shuffles over to the reboot button =/
11:53<Peng>Alucard: Doesn't eth1 need a gateway?
11:53<CaptObviousman>I suppose it would be inappropriate to complain about losing my uptime record to absorb the new disk space
11:53<Alucard>I don't know. network.cfm lists a gateway for eth0 but not eth1
11:53<blahness>caker: well, thanks for looking at it...i suppose i will just have to reboot..
11:53<jkwood>CaptObviousman: Only if you're a Debian user.
11:54<@caker>blahness: sorry mate ... I haven't seen that one before
11:54<Peng>Alucard: Oh, you're right.
11:54<StevenK>Alucard: eth1 doesn't need a gateway
11:54<Peng>Never mind then.
11:54<StevenK>Everything you want to talk to over eth1 is directly connected
11:54*CaptObviousman talks to StevenK's eth1 port for 14 hours straight
11:55*cruxeternus does likewise.
11:55<Core2Duo>jkwood: What did u say about Debian? I use Debian Etch.
11:55*blahness has an idea
11:56<scott>Core2Duo: dont worry about him... he uses slackware...
11:56<scott>nuff said
11:56<jkwood>Yarg! Distro war!
11:56<jkwood>Okay, mebbe not.
11:56<jkwood>Too early in the week for a distro war.
11:56<The_Magistrate>CentOS! GO!
11:56<Core2Duo>Slackware is different. I installed it, and that was it.
11:57*cruxeternus trips over the power cable.
11:57<Peng>cruxeternus: Do you work for The Planet?
11:57<randi> i installed fedora 9....and now i am trying to login thru ajax i guess i have to use the pw i gave while installing? and wats the loggin username?
11:57<cruxeternus>Peng: Building my resume.
11:58<Peng>randi: The only username you have so far is root.
11:58<Core2Duo>randi: maybe "root"
11:58<cruxeternus>And hopefully you specified a root password when you deployed it.
11:58<Peng>randi: Once you long in, you should create a new user (man adduser) and stop doing things as root.
11:58<cruxeternus>hunter2, for example
11:58<Peng>log in*
11:59<The_Magistrate>randi: The 'ajax shell' is lish. You define that password on the Console page. And yes, 'root' should be the only account on the system.
11:59<randi> is root...thanks guys....ill change this once i get to learn some shell commands...m a n00b at shell!!
12:01<Isvara>Core2Duo: You installed it and that was it? (As opposed to installing it and fruitfully using it?) Yep, sounds like Slackware!
12:02<jkwood>Isvara: Well, on those other distros, you have to figure out what random patch in the code is causing segfaults :p
12:03<JDLSpeedy>caker: i created a dns zone and added records to it, but nothing is giving
12:03<Core2Duo>Isvara: LoL. I didn't know what to do with it, the commands are different. I learned Linux commandline through a fedora system, so Slackware is inda far fetched for me, even the gui version.
12:03<Core2Duo>randi: Use this website to learn bash/shell. This is what got me started [linuxcommand_org]
12:04<Isvara>People still use bash?!
12:04<Alucard>People still use IRC?!
12:04<jkwood>! people still use bash?!?!
12:04<Isvara>Actually, I still use bash, but I keep wondering if I should move on.
12:05<Isvara>SpaceHobo: Actually, it was semi-serious musing.
12:05<jkwood>Yes, but I have to keep using it. It's a blessing and a curse.
12:05<Core2Duo>Alucard: I still do not know the difference between shell and back, so I call all Linux commandline commands "bash". Kinda like the same way we call Windows commands "Dos".
12:06<Isvara>bash IS_A shell
12:06*fred hugs the windows powershell
12:06*fred hides
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12:06*cruxeternus checks fred for rabies.
12:08<jvaughan>anyone want a fremont360?
12:08<path->powershell is one of the better things they'
12:08<path->ve done
12:08<path->even if it's not related to linux
12:08<path->you can mount the registry and cd through keys
12:08<Core2Duo>Who thinks they have the most beefed up system here? And what is on it?
12:09<Isvara>"is on it", not "is it on"
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12:09*fred thinks he stands a fair chance
12:10*blahness read it as the same
12:10<zeroday>would something like this be suitable for running as a cron job to check if httpd is up:
12:10<zeroday>the ye/no part would be replaced by other stuff
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12:10<Isvara>FF3+Linux+Firebug is all a bit shaky.
12:11<Peng>zeroday: It's very easy for that to catch other things. What if you wget something?
12:11<Peng>zeroday: you should consider installing something like monit.
12:11<zeroday>>.<, http should be httpd
12:12<TJF>or nagios or munin
12:12<JDLSpeedy>anyone setup a rbldns here on a linode server?
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12:18<Peng>My only experience with Nagios is Mozilla's setup with its ugly web pages and occasional issues. :P
12:18<Peng>But I'll check out Munin.
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12:29<Core2Duo>has anyone installed openbravo on their linode?
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12:35<Majes>does the BW graph for last 24 hours include a migration, like the image plus all the BW ya used this month already?
12:36<mwalling>migrations dont count towards your usage
12:37<Majes>it's showing a max of 24 Mb/2 avg od 6.44 and I have no incomming
12:37<Majes>sooo, somthing is eating BW fast
12:38<tjfontaine>apt-get install nethogs
12:39<Majes>ok, and?
12:39<tjfontaine>run it, it'll give you top like output for bw usage
12:39<Majes>ok, thanks
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12:40<Core2Duo>tjfontaine: how do I run nethog?
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12:41<Majes>ok, then graph on linenode is borked, cause this is normal
12:41<Majes>nethogs is the command to ru it Core
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12:42<Core2Duo>Nice. I wish there was an app like htop that could show nethogs stuff as well.
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12:43<Peng>nethogs, huh?
12:43<Peng>I've been using iftop recently.
12:44<Majes>pretty sweet, thanks
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12:45<Peng>Too bad I installed nethogs half an hour after Tor shut down for the day.
12:46<Peng>sshd is averaging 0.026 KB/sec! Oh noes!
12:46<Peng>Also, helpfully, some unknown root program is using a little bit.
12:46<Peng>No device either.
12:48<Alucard>alucard@karrde:~$ nethogs
12:48<Alucard>You need to be root to run NetHogs !
12:48<Alucard>so why put it in /usr/bin !
12:49<path->not a system binary?
12:49<path->not like it's a daemon or something
12:49<Whatagwan>How much is a "soft limit" on bandwith?
12:52<tierra>i.e. your linode won't get turned off
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12:58<Core2Duo>amazing how many lunix apps there are.
12:58<Whatagwan>tierra: I want to know how large the soft cap is
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13:01<path->Whatagwan: i think it's 200gb incoming and outgoing
13:01<path->for a 360
13:01<path->it depends on the plan
13:04<jkwood>Oh, right. Ram hasn't changed. Ignore me.
13:05<tierra>Whatagwan: as in how much before it is turned off?
13:05<tierra>or as in how much before you get charged for the extra bw used?
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13:06<@tasaro>Whatagwan: a support/abuse ticket is usually opened first
13:07<Majes>BW back to normal
13:07*mwalling abuses tasaro
13:07*tasaro supports mwalling
13:07*scott hands mwalling some leathers
13:08*mwalling supports scott's habits
13:09*jkwood leathers scott some hands
13:09<Whatagwan>tierra: how much before the site goes off and how much before I get charged
13:09<Whatagwan>also what if someone purposely rapes my bandwith?
13:09<@tasaro>your site doesn't go off unless it's violated our TOS
13:10*mwalling violates....
13:10*jkwood violates tasaro
13:10<@tasaro>mwalling: don't use that one, plskthx
13:10<mwalling>tasaro: <3
13:10*linbot slaps jkwood
13:10<Core2Duo>ahhh, so we have a Linode support person in this channel?
13:10<Alucard>four of them
13:10<Majes>I feel violated
13:10<Whatagwan>tasaro: if I hosted a file for a friend to download, and someone potentially abused this - am I still liable to pay for extra bandwith?
13:10<Alucard>plus 174 in the community
13:10<@tasaro>Whatagwan: uh, yeah
13:11<mwalling>no, you will never be held liable for your own actions
13:11<Whatagwan>ok, id guess ill rename it and give him the link when he is online
13:11<mwalling>you can eat small children and no one will care
13:11<jkwood>Except scott. He reserves that right for himself.
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13:11<Core2Duo>Wow, 174. What are the names of the 4 Linode support ppl in here
13:11<jkwood>Eating, that is.
13:11<@caker>This store protected by Smith and Wesson
13:11<Alucard>Core2Duo: see the ones with @s?
13:12<@caker>Eat here and get gas
13:12<mwalling>Core2Duo: never heard of /whois?
13:12<@caker>No one's walkin when they leave Manahawkin
13:12<Core2Duo>ahhh. how do I list users in irc, I am using irssi
13:12*jkwood burmashaves caker
13:12<@tasaro> /names
13:12<tierra>Whatagwan: there are ways of monitoring your usage, and even sending SMS warnings to your phone when potential abuse is going on so you can know well ahead of time before stuff like that becomes a problem
13:12<tierra>in fact, it's built into the linode control panel these days
13:13*jkwood wonders how someone could possibly rape bandwidth on a linode with one file
13:14<mwalling>how the hell do you expunge a folder in lookOut?
13:14*tasaro wonders if he can tell The Planet that we really didn't use all that bandwidth
13:14<Peng>Wait, why isn't linbot opped?
13:14<linbot>jkwood: *click*
13:14<linbot>jkwood: *click*
13:14<linbot>jkwood: *click*
13:14<linbot>jkwood: *click*
13:14-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
13:14<linbot>jkwood: *click*
13:14-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
13:14<Alucard>bad jkwood
13:14<tierra>haha, nice
13:14<@jadoba>jkwood: thanks, it will get quieter in here now
13:15<Alucard>Whatagwan: won't work
13:15<tjfontaine>jadoba: you'll want to unquiet linny
13:15<Peng>That's a shame.
13:15<tjfontaine>/mode -q *!*
13:15-!-mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker
13:15<mwalling>tjfontaine: wanna chastise jkwood? :)
13:16<tjfontaine>I think he's learned his lesson
13:16<Peng>I have a copy of up.. Dun dun dunnn.
13:16<@linbot>Whatagwan: *click*
13:16<path->slackware sucks!!
13:16-!-Whatagwan was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!]
13:16*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
13:16<Core2Duo>what happened to jkwood?
13:16-!-Whatagwan [~Whatagwan@] has joined #linode
13:16<Whatagwan>told you ;)
13:16<mwalling>Core2Duo: 13:14 [*] mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
13:17<mwalling>Core2Duo: what does it look like?
13:17<Core2Duo>Seems like he just got shot.
13:17<Core2Duo>has he been blocked?
13:17<tjfontaine>he has been quieted for flooding
13:17<tjfontaine>in terms set forth by floodserv
13:18<Core2Duo>but he is still here? he still sees these messages?
13:18<mwalling>13:18 < jkwood> Yes, yes he does.
13:18<Alucard>but for now if you talk about him he can't reply in here
13:18<scorche|sh>you can make fun of the monkey behind the glass
13:18*mwalling throws banannas at jkwood
13:19<Core2Duo>I hope I not flooding now. This is my last question for the next fre minutes. What is flooding based on. Messages per minute or what?
13:19<mwalling>13:19 < jkwood> And the monkey behind the glass will make a comic ridiculing you. :p
13:19<Peng>Something like that, yeah.
13:19<scorche|sh>mwalling: where are you hearing him?
13:19<row>kernel is set to latest 2.6 yet it is on 2.6.18 yet 2.6.25-linode9 is not the kernel in use, is that not considered stable yet?
13:19<mwalling>scorche|sh: other channel
13:19<row>on xen by the way
13:19<@jadoba>jkwood: if you are the next person to say anything in here after this line, I will tell you what and when the next upgrade will be, lol
13:19<tjfontaine>not yet row
13:20<tjfontaine>though I'm running on it
13:20*scorche|sh wonders what g7 is for
13:20<tjfontaine>scorche|sh: idlerpg
13:20<mwalling>scorche|sh: stop /whoising me
13:20<mwalling>the channel is +s
13:20<row>tjfontaine: it stable out of interest?
13:21<tjfontaine>row: I've not had any problems
13:21<tjfontaine>mwalling: you wish you had spy_whois
13:21<mwalling>scott: i'll give you the finger
13:21<mwalling>tjfontaine: i can has?
13:21<tjfontaine>mwalling: when you is oper
13:21<mwalling>i can be?
13:21<mwalling>Alucard: neutral
13:22<mwalling>tjfontaine: bah
13:22<tjfontaine>it's umode +y though, good luck
13:22<@linbot>New news from forums: my xen linode crashed (again) in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
13:22<tjfontaine>*** Notice -- bliblok ( is doing a whois on you
13:22<mwalling>13:22 [6oftc] [*] Unknown MODE flag
13:23<tjfontaine>path-, scott :)
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13:23<path->that's it?
13:23<path->everyone was supposed to do it
13:23-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by caker
13:23<tjfontaine>/kill mwalling
13:23<mwalling>tjfontaine: /kill *@*?
13:24<tjfontaine>mwalling: old news these days
13:24*mwalling wonders....
13:24<tjfontaine>kill only works on nicks anyway
13:24<jkwood>I would just like to apologize to everyone who has op status, except mikegrb.
13:24<Core2Duo>Debian Users here?
13:24<mwalling>13:24 [6oftc] [*] *@* Erroneous Nickname
13:24<tjfontaine>mwalling: itym /quote kline
13:24-!-mode/#linode [+q jkwood!*@*] by mikegrb
13:25<row>how long to PTR records take to update?
13:25<tjfontaine>row: 24 ~ 48 hours
13:25*mwalling declares lunch hour over and works
13:25<Core2Duo>don't tell me I have been blocked.
13:25<row>I did it before I migrated server to new DC and still not updated
13:25-!-mode/#linode [-q jkwood!*@*] by mikegrb
13:25<jkwood>mikegrb: <3
13:25<row>also says it now can't find ip for the hostname
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13:25<Core2Duo> For a while, my messages were not going through.
13:25<mwalling>Core2Duo: is your nick jkwood ?
13:26<row>yet I know it has a A record + linode rdns config tool found the A record
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13:26<row>so stuff like proftpd wont start
13:26<row>as it can't find ip for hostname
13:26*row sighs
13:26*row adds to hosts
13:26<Core2Duo>Who has had their Debian install the longest?
13:26<tjfontaine>row: I think your hosts file needs editing
13:26<row>it should pic it up tjfontaine anyway
13:26<row>but meh
13:27<mwalling>Core2Duo: no one. we all run slackware
13:27<Isvara>I was going to try Debian, but I couldn't find the Slackware package for it.
13:28<Core2Duo>I think we should have distro specific channels.
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13:28<jkwood>You mean like #slackware ?
13:28<mwalling>or #debian?
13:28<mwalling>or *gasp* #ubuntu?
13:28-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
13:28<Core2Duo>Let me go eat.
13:28<BP{k}>or #imustcompileeverything?
13:28*jkwood #s on mwalling
13:29<mwalling>BP{k}: itym straterra's distro
13:29*jkwood hopes upon hope that that redirects to #gentoo
13:30<BP{k}>mwalling: it's all the same thing ;)
13:30<@mikegrb>silly tjbugs
13:31*jkwood pours beer down mikegrb's intertubez
13:32<row>seems dns has failed
13:32<row>that would be why things are not working
13:32<row>the network settings on network page updated IPs before I moved server but nameservers stayed same
13:32<Isvara>Yeah. You shouldn't have your services relying on DNS to start.
13:32<row>so I never changed them :P
13:33<row>Isvara: I don't
13:33<row>just proftpd never was important
13:33*row was trying to connect to ircd when noticed domain would not resolve
13:35<tierra>mikegrb: have you guys checked lish keys against weak keys?
13:43<@caker>tierra: yes. the hosts are fine
13:44<bd_>how about the login keys people have submitted? :)
13:44*jkwood submits bd_'s login keys
13:45<tierra>caker: I meant any user submitted lish keys
13:45*bd_ proceeds to log into jkwood's lish
13:46<tierra>not that it'd affect me if I've checked my own keys
13:46<jkwood>Haha, good luck with that! My lish won't login to my linode. Bwahaha!
13:46<path->kill your screen?
13:47<tierra>but I was curious if you found a certain percentage of bad keys among (what I'm guessing is) hundreds of keys
13:48<jkwood>Probably need to. Just haven't bothered with it.
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14:06<pbryan>Thanks for the extra space!
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14:09<pdepartida>hello! quick question how long should a "resize disk" on the dashboard take?
14:09<jkwood>8 years.
14:09*Alucard nerfs jkwood *
14:09<@caker>up -> a short while; down -> a longer while
14:09<jkwood>Sorry, sorry.
14:10<pdepartida>jkwood: was scared there for a second...
14:10<scorche|sh>pdepartida: took me around 15 min or so
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14:11<pdepartida>i'm curious how does XEN handle that in a way that the disk won't become overly fragmented?
14:12<jkwood>Oh, the disk-fragmentation-in-Linux thing again...
14:12<pdepartida>jkwood: what, stupid question?
14:13<@caker>duh .. defrag.exe
14:13<jkwood>No, not really.
14:13<charlie>i'm not sure about my PHP client library for the linode API
14:13<jkwood>Just reminds me about stupid people.
14:13<jkwood>That's all.
14:13<charlie>i'm not sure if i should make it easier or whatnot
14:13<@mikegrb>pdepartida: they are logical volumes on the host so that all falls on lvm
14:13<charlie>is an array of information about a domain good enough do you guys think?
14:14-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by FloodServ
14:14<pdepartida>jkwood: just googled the dumb questions, sorry. :|
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14:15<Core2Duo>Wow, lkw is very vocal I see.
14:16<jkwood>pdepartida: The only dumb question is the one you know is dumb but ask anyway (when not trying to be humorous.)
14:16<Core2Duo>actually jkwood
14:16<jkwood>Yep. I'm the life of the party!
14:16<Core2Duo>I see
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14:17<jkwood>I'm extra chatty today, though. That's probably the caffeine crashing my blood sugar. =/
14:17<Core2Duo>jkwood: Please make sure you don't get blocked. You might have tons of knowledge stuck in there that us n00bs could use.
14:18<tjfontaine>someone has a crush
14:18<path->how sweet
14:18<jkwood>Hmm... don't know what that smiley was.
14:18<path->i don't know what 1/2 of them are
14:18<jkwood>Core2Duo: I'm full of information, that's true.
14:19<Core2Duo>LoL. I consider anyone in here a genious, and I need to learn as much as I can about Linux Server Administration.
14:20<Core2Duo>Anyways, here is yet another question. Is there a way of logging theser irc sessions with irssi so i do not miss a message while I am away?
14:20<Core2Duo>do tell
14:20<Alucard>hell if I remember the command, ask Google
14:20<path->if you acquire google foo, you can conquer all
14:20<Alucard>!google irssi logging
14:21<@linbot>Alucard: Search took 0.26 seconds: Irssi - The client of the future: <>; Irssi - The client of the future: <>; BSDnexus forums / irssi , logging a chat w/o logging enabled: <>; irssi logging and commandline options: msg#00001: <>; Re: (2 more messages)
14:21<path->Core2Duo: see he has logs with color
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14:24<Core2Duo> it
14:28<tierra>this channel is already logged here:
14:28-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by FloodServ
14:29<@mikegrb> has older logs available ;)
14:30<@caker>(c) Linode, LLC
14:30<jkwood>(TM) Linode, LLC
14:30<jkwood>(R) Linode, LLC.
14:30<@caker>(YM) Linode, LLC
14:30<jkwood>(Brought to you by Carl's Jr.)
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14:34<Core2Duo>lol, I typed stuff, then refreshed the log and it is there already...neat. Thanks tierra.
14:38<jkwood>Core2Duo: If you go looking for stuff in the logs, you can use grep -i "what I'm looking for" filename
14:38<jkwood>Just a quick tip.
14:38<jkwood>Read the man page for more.
14:41<Core2Duo>where do i grep from?
14:41<Core2Duo>since the irc server is remote
14:42<jkwood>Are you using irssi on your linode?
14:42<path->is the irc client local?
14:42<@caker>is your refrigerator running?
14:42<jkwood>You'd run it in the terminal over ssh, then.
14:43<@caker>BETTER GO CATCH IT!
14:43<path->mine is sitting on a table over there <---
14:43<Jeremy>it is, and it can just keep on going
14:43<jkwood>Core2Duo: Using screen?
14:44-!-pdepartida [LinodeJava@] has quit [Quit: pdepartida]
14:45<Core2Duo>I am using irssi through putty
14:45<path->you should run screen after connecting with putty, then run irssi inside of that
14:45<Core2Duo>my question is, how do I have access to the linode irc channel log through Linode ssh
14:46<jkwood>^^ Read that.
14:46<Core2Duo>screen...let me try that
14:46<path->screen won't solve logging issues
14:46<Core2Duo>bash: screen: command not found
14:46<Dave>sudo apt-get install screen
14:46<Dave>sudo make me a sandwich
14:47*jkwood turns Dave into a ham on rye
14:47<Core2Duo>apt-get screen
14:47<Core2Duo>E: Invalid operation screen
14:47<Dave>install screen
14:47<jkwood>apt-get install screen
14:48<path->installpkg screen
14:48<Core2Duo>ok...I installed it, then typed screen. Where am I now?
14:48<Dave>you're in a screen :)
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14:48<Dave>ctrl+a then d to detach it, screen -x to reattach
14:48<Isvara>You're in a maze of twisted ^As
14:48<Dave>it gets hardcore when you have screens inside screens!
14:49<path->"screen -dr" detach another screen and attach it to where you are now
14:49<Alucard>man screen to learn for yoursel
14:50<jkwood>man Alucard
14:50<Core2Duo>Alucard: I am here cos i do not understand
14:50<Alucard>No manual entry for reverse vampires
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14:55<Core2Duo>has any Debian user here been able to install Openbravo?
14:57<Core2Duo>oh boy, why is it quiet here now?
14:57<jkwood>I'm going to guess that's either a "No" or a "I'm not here at the moment."
14:57<path->man, why did you have to say something
14:58<@jadoba>also, to attach a screen without detaching... screen -x -r
14:59<Core2Duo>I almostthought that by using that screen command, it took me into another dimension, and I was all
15:01<Core2Duo>could someone answermy Openbravo question
15:01<Core2Duo>could someone answer my Openbravo question
15:02<tjfontaine>I don't think this is the particular venue to find that answer, I'm sure people on the intertubes running debian have though
15:02<bd_>jadoba: screen -x is sufficient
15:03<Core2Duo>there is a particular question I have about some module in there, which neither Google or her cousing, youtube have info about.
15:03<tjfontaine>you should seek support from openbravo then
15:03<tjfontaine>they may have irc folk on FN
15:04<jkwood>Have you asked
15:04<jkwood>I'm Ron Burgundy?
15:04<Core2Duo>yeah, I did...did not help
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15:05<jkwood>There's a channel #openbravo on freenode.
15:06<Core2Duo>Stuff I need to know about is on this page
15:07<TJF>anything with POS in the title can't be good
15:07<Core2Duo>I just need more clarification about the "Configure the Openbravo webservices" section.
15:07<Core2Duo>TJF: How come?
15:08<TJF>piece of sh*t?
15:08<tjfontaine>more common than point of sale
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15:08<TJF>i'm speculating tho ;)
15:09<Core2Duo>I still don't get what you mean TJF:
15:09<TJF>tjfontaine: ++
15:09*tjfontaine ++
15:10<tjfontaine>TJF: if we karma each other linny should reply accordingly
15:10<Core2Duo>pop huh
15:10<Core2Duo>Got me there
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15:14<jkwood>Nice username,
15:16-!-Eman [] has quit []
15:17<Core2Duo>whose username is nice?
15:17<@jadoba>/whois nice
15:18<@jadoba>15:17 [oftc] -!- There is no such nick nice
15:18<tjfontaine>Eman [OHGODHOW@
15:18<tjfontaine>that was the reference I presume
15:18<Core2Duo>no no no. jkwood said "Nice username, so I am asking him who he is referring to.
15:19<jkwood>14:14 -!- Eman [] has quit []
15:19*jkwood pours moar coffee down jadoba's intertubez
15:19<Core2Duo>See, Eman just quit now
15:19<Core2Duo>Let me change my name. It is so old
15:19-!-Core2Duo is now known as QuadCore
15:20<QuadCore>yeah!!! aby
15:20<QuadCore>...with a "b" b4 the "aby"!!!
15:26<irgeek>And yea, caker did say moar bitz and there was much rejoicing in the lands of mortals.
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15:30*caker converts to hyperstacks
15:32<TJF>punch cards
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15:33<jkwood>QuadCore: I was referring to the "OHGODHOW" part.
15:33<TJF>insert joke about mikegrb and hanging chads
15:33<@caker>!acronym CHADS
15:33<@linbot>caker: No definitions found.
15:33<@caker>!acronym CHAD
15:33<@linbot>caker: No definitions found.
15:33<jkwood>!cyborg CHADS
15:33<@linbot>jkwood: C.H.A.D.S.: Cybernetic Handcrafted Android Designed for Sabotage
15:34<TJF>sabotage indeed
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15:37<irgeek>caker: Thanks for the bits! I think it's enough to complete my plans for world domination. Yay!
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15:42<wladek>where can i get me one of these?
15:43<jkwood>These who?
15:43<TJF>a chad?
15:44<wladek>uh huh
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15:45<Beowulfjrd>Has anyone had any problems with 8.04 LTS 64bit pkgs like vim-full or apache2?
15:45<Beowulfjrd>Err hardy-updates/main libgnome-keyring0 2.22.1-1ubuntu1 ... 404 Not Found...
15:47<path->i haven't had any problems
15:48<irgeek>Beowulfjrd: Are you sure you want libgnome on your Linode?
15:48<path->i was assuming he was talking about a desktop or something.. being that he's doing 64bit
15:48<@caker>Beowulfjrd: often when that occurs it's because you need to run apt-get update to refresh the local thingamabobber
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15:54<Beowulfjrd>caker: that was the problem. Thx
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15:59*jkwood refeshes caker's local thingamabobber
15:59<Internat>oh caker, how i love you
16:00<Isvara>How? Tell us.
16:00<scott>caker is supposed to say "Its about time!"
16:01<Internat>thats private, however ive said it before that i want his man babies :P
16:02<straterra>Get in line
16:02<straterra>I called dibbs
16:03<jkwood>You're all out of luck.
16:03<straterra>he was drunk
16:03<straterra>he didnt mean it
16:03<straterra>caker: YOU BASTARD!
16:04<scott>dont you guys BSG?!
16:04<straterra>I do
16:04<straterra>scott: I finished encoding seasons 1-3
16:04<straterra>scott: I'm going to wait until DVD release of season 4 so I get good quality..
16:04<scott>why not download the hdtv versions?
16:05<straterra>Because they still have that sci fi channel shit at the bottom
16:06<straterra>My collection adheres to STRICT guidelines
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16:06<jkwood>My collection adheres to strict guidelines.
16:07<jkwood>I has to be an episode of the show in question.
16:07<scott>well, if you were all caught up, you would know what caker meant
16:08<scott>but for now you fail
16:08<straterra>scott: I have the latest to watch
16:08<scott>but its long over
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16:08<straterra>What is?
16:09<scott>well, for this year that is
16:09<straterra>For now..
16:09<jkwood>Firefly ftw.
16:09<straterra>I have one episode to watch and I'm caught up
16:09<scott>jkwood: youre not old enough to remember firefly
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16:15<HoopyCat>Subject: ur d1sk is 2 small u need l1n0dium - 20% b1gger 2nite
16:15<HoopyCat>ah, there it is, right in my spam trap
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16:25<HoopyCat>mwalling: another fire alarm today; given the noticeable sound of approaching fire trucks and strong odor of gas, i figure the construction workers had something to do with it, but i can't be sure :-)
16:25<mwalling>we've been ducking storms
16:25<HoopyCat>same here
16:25<mwalling>i walked out of the server room, and it looked like nighttime outside, and hail was pinging off the windows
16:27<HoopyCat>i've been paged for three severe thunderstorms today, but haven't had a single drop of rain fall on my head
16:28<Schroeder>raindrops keep fallin' on my head...
16:28<mwalling>i want to make my asterisk box call the house for severe wx warning
16:28<jkwood>Enjoy those storms, ladies. I sent them your way yesterday.
16:30<HoopyCat>mwalling: is pretty damned good time-wise; my cellphone will beep right at the moment between the weatherradio going silent and transmitting the EAS bursts
16:30<HoopyCat>mwalling: that said, it's county-wide, so anything in monroe county will trigger (even with the new-for-2008 polygon warnings)
16:31<path->isn't that one that installs spyware on computers?
16:32<@mikegrb>no, that's
16:32<HoopyCat>a couple days back, i didn't have my radio outside, so i was listening to the local AM primary-EAS-woolabobber; two minutes after my cellphone beeped, they launched into a thirty-second "WHAM is FIRST with SEVERE WEATHER!" ad then did the EAS dance... laaaame
16:33<path->mikegrb: are you tracking my browsing habits?
16:33<@mikegrb>and I suggest you go for the size 12 lederhosen
16:33<HoopyCat>path-: i know of weatherbug, which is annoying at least. i use weatherwatcher on my windowsenboxen
16:33<@mikegrb>do you really honestly think you can fit in the size 2?
16:33<path->doesn't it stretch?
16:34<tierra>do you take a shower every time you look through his browser history?
16:34<HoopyCat>always go big on lederhosen; if worse comes to worse, you can always fit an extra person in there
16:34<@mikegrb>tierra: no, yours on the other hand...
16:34<@mikegrb>didn't know such things existed, even on the interwebs
16:34<SNy>Oh, wow! New datacenter and more disk space?
16:34<mwalling>HoopyCat: yeah, but pulling the xml from >
16:34<mwalling>SNy: old news
16:35<mwalling>new news: mikegrb wants to eat your babies
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16:35<SNy>Guess it was about time I actually got me one of those, eh?
16:35<SNy>mwalling: Aye.
16:35<SNy>Only I just noticed it.
16:35<HoopyCat>mwalling: i agree for routine stuff, but you're gonna want warnings pushed to you
16:35*path- watches the blobs on the radar
16:35<mwalling>HoopyCat: */5 * * * * <-- good enough for me
16:36<HoopyCat>mwalling: in five minutes YOUR FAMILY COULD BE DEAD .
16:36<mwalling>doubt it
16:36<HoopyCat>yeah, esp. in this climate
16:36<path->if i were worried about tornados
16:36<tierra>mikegrb: I don't know what I'd do without the internet
16:36<mwalling>path-: tornado warning comes before funnel cloud touchdown
16:37<path->i'm just saying.. if i were out west.. i'd be more concerned about timely alerts
16:37<HoopyCat>frankly, i just use on my cellphone 'cuz my wife was shopping for new-work boxes and i was bored, and their system makes it easy to set up right from your phone... when you're bored.
16:37<TJF>mwalling: watch before rotation
16:37<path->where i am, i'm more worried about hurricanes. they move so slow, i could drive to NY and back before they touch the shore
16:38<TJF>rotation sets of the warning
16:38<mwalling>we havent had a confirmed tornado in 10 years (barely)
16:38*mikegrb rotates TJF
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16:38<HoopyCat>mwalling: it's getting better these days for sure, but there're still plenty of "uhh, NWS, there's a tornado on the ground" "oh shit, we'll issue a warning and open a bug report, kthx" moments
16:38<TJF>mikegrb: two to the left then one to the right
16:38<path->we had one here when i was in high school. it wasn't very big though.. it just picked up a bunch of houses and moved them in place one foot
16:39<@mikegrb>3 to get ready, 4 to go
16:39<HoopyCat>however, TVS detection is getting very very good
16:41<mwalling>tornado vortex signature?
16:42*mikegrb wouldn't trust them
16:42<@mikegrb>can't find a gpg trust path
16:43<HoopyCat>that said, tornadoes are sneaky beasts and love to come up with new ways to emerge without a distinctive radar signature, so hey
16:43<cruxeternus>like spam
16:43<TJF>we've had 172 tornadoes this year
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16:44<HoopyCat>now that you mention it, there's similarities between spam and tornadoes, really
16:45<TJF>tornadoes don't make my unit larger or have a webcam
16:46<cruxeternus>but they're similar in that tornados can't spell crap
16:46<TJF>and show up in the middle of the night unrequested
16:47<cruxeternus>And destroy small Kansas cities in a blink of an eye.
16:48<tierra> <- the last tornado we've seen, heh
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16:49<Multitask>hey all, quick question from a newbie
16:50<@linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
16:50<cruxeternus>or a not-so-quick question...
16:50<Alucard>*waits patiently*
16:50<Multitask>if i register a domain name with godaddy, like, I also want to have a couple of email adresses like
16:50<Multitask>do i have to do that via godaddy, too?
16:50<Multitask>or can i just register the domain name with godaddy
16:50<cruxeternus>maybe... er, no
16:50<Multitask>and set up the email myself later
16:50<irgeek>You need to set up an MTA and MX record.
16:50<Multitask>and what is an mta and mx record?
16:51<Alucard>easiest is probably to set yourself up with Google Apps
16:51<cruxeternus>Multitask: Sounds like you need to read up on how email works.
16:51<Multitask>you mean a gmail account?
16:51<Alucard>esp. if you don't already know what MTA/MX mean
16:51<TJF>gmail for domains
16:51<irgeek>Postfix = MTA, MX record is in DNS
16:51<path->personal gmail just for you
16:51<TJF>you point your MX records at gmail
16:51<Alucard>seems settign up your own mail servers would be "fun" for you, where fun means pain. so offload to google to make it easy
16:51<path->google has info on how to set it up
16:51<Multitask>ok i give that a go for now
16:51<Multitask>thanks guys
16:51<TJF>godaddy has instructions on how to make it work
16:53<irgeek>If GoDaddy's mail instructions include a step where you give them more money than for just the domain, find different instructions.
16:53<Multitask>so i register the domain for now anyway
16:53*Napta brings up an ipv7 interface
16:54<encode>clearly GoDaddy's instructions should include obtaining a linode
16:54<Multitask>and take care of email after that
16:54<TJF>yeah don't buy any add-on stuff
16:54<TJF>godaddy also has free email forwarding
16:54<path->godaddy wants to sell you the kitchen sink
16:54*cruxeternus ddos's Napta's ipv7 interface by doing nothing at all.
16:54<QuadCore>do u guys host your own e-mail?
16:54<path->yes and no
16:54*HoopyCat ps v8
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16:55<mwalling>that was good
16:55<Multitask>so with google apps, can i get as many (my domain) as i want?
16:55<HoopyCat>QuadCore: i have a buncha forwards to primarily gmail addresses
16:55*Napta performs some advanced ipv7 null routing techniques to set fire to cruxeternus's modem
16:55<mwalling>Multitask: in theory yes, but i think google apps has a limit on # of users
16:55*Napta coughs etherkiller
16:55<TJF>Multitask: yes
16:55<Multitask>ok, in theory
16:55<Multitask>well at least that sounds like i would get the 15-20 i need
16:56<mwalling>yeah, it hink its like 200 or something for the free package
16:56<Multitask>is this what you were talking about?
16:56<Multitask>more than helpful! many thanks!
16:57<path->Multitask: are you getting a linode?
16:57<Multitask>already have one
16:57<Multitask>i am a bit slow with everything
16:57<path->you should use the linode dns manager
16:57<path->it's a tab after you login
16:57<Multitask>i think i saw that already
16:57<Multitask>what exactly does it do?
16:57<zeroday> WOW
16:57<path->then tell godaddy to use,,, for dns servers
16:58<irgeek>It's much nicer to deal with than GoDaddy's DNS manager.
16:58<path->no ads
16:58<path->for one
16:58<HoopyCat>zeroday: good crisp low-precip supercell
16:58<path->i think there is a wizard to create a basic domain for and whatnot
16:58<Multitask>and i won't have to read up on additional stuff if I use the linode DNS manager?
16:58<path->then you can easily point the ip to your linode for your webserver
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16:59<path->it's pretty straightforward.. like creating a linode
16:59<TJF>zeroday: pretty sure that guy needed some clean undies after that
16:59<Multitask>ok i give it a go then
16:59<TJF> <-- godaddy walkthrough
16:59<irgeek>Multitask: Is there a reason you want to use GoDaddy?
17:00<Multitask>no particular one
17:00<irgeek>They are pretty annoying.
17:00<Multitask>in what way?
17:00<mwalling>irgeek: hot. chicks.
17:00<TJF>mwalling: ^5
17:00<HoopyCat>TJF: i believe it is moving from right to left, generally going to miss the photographer
17:00<QuadCore>HoopyCat: is is possible to have the server use Google Aps to send out mail instead of sendmail?
17:00<irgeek>Look at Namecheap as well. They don't constantly try to upsell you and their interface is much more user-friendly.
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17:01<HoopyCat>TJF: the flag is pointing directly towards the area of strongest updraft, which is a fancy way of saying "the NWS would really like to use this photo for training slide shows"
17:01<Peng>QuadCore: If you don't have sendmail, how are you supposed to send the mail to Google Apps?
17:01<Multitask>should I make the whois info private? are spam etc problems really that huge?
17:01<Multitask>i have a look
17:01<HoopyCat>QuadCore: hmm... in theory, you could probably whip something up, but implementation is left to the inquisitor
17:02<path->i point my domains to my work address instead of my home one
17:02<path->let the mail guys here sort the junk mail :P
17:02<irgeek>Multitask: That's a personal choice thing. Your contact emails will eventually get spammed, but that's just how it goes.
17:02<Multitask>namecheap are more expensive than godaddy
17:02<Multitask>about 3$ more per year
17:02<TJF>HoopyCat: it's odd that it's so clean, not much debris
17:03<irgeek>Multitask: They are a little more expensive, but they aren't annoying.
17:03<Multitask>annoying in what way?
17:03<HoopyCat>TJF: the tornado, if it exists at this particular moment, would be a tiny thing behind the elevator
17:03<Multitask>other than upselling...
17:03<path->forever store your cc numbers
17:03<irgeek>GoDaddy undercuts their domains, then tries to sell you every service under the sun to make up for it.
17:04<irgeek>Multitask: Upselling is annoying enough in my books.
17:04<CaptObviousman>well, it works out better that way
17:04<path->their TOS is debated
17:04<CaptObviousman>just tell them "NO!" for everything and you get a cheap domain
17:04<irgeek>For $3/year I prefer to not be hassled.
17:04<HoopyCat>TJF: map:
17:04<Alucard>OTOH, I registered with godaddy two and a half years ago, and have had zero problems, and they have never bothered me
17:04<CaptObviousman>but yeah, upselling is annoying
17:04<Alucard>unless you count monthly emails I don't read?
17:04<neale>I'm setting up linode as my nameserver with the registrar
17:04<path->use to pay a lot more than that with network solutions
17:04*CaptObviousman has had several domains with GoDaddy for years
17:04<neale>what's the hostname of the name server?
17:05<CaptObviousman>neale: ns[1,2]
17:05<path->ns[3,4] too
17:05<irgeek>Alucard: I call BS! How many "No I don't want that crap" screen did you have to click through registering your domain?
17:05<Alucard>uh.. I don't remember
17:05<TJF>HoopyCat: aye, i live in KS ;)
17:05<Alucard>I didn't sign up for any other crap though
17:05<CaptObviousman>ah, right, they have up to 4
17:05<Multitask>does it matter which ns i enter?
17:06<CaptObviousman>if you're using linode's DNS manager, no it doesn't
17:06<neale>fozzie ~/lib$ host
17:06<neale> A record query refused by
17:06<irgeek>Neither did I. But I hate that crap. In my book my registrar should sell me my domain and shut the hell up.
17:06<HoopyCat>TJF: although, upon further inspection, perhaps the situation is closer than it appears and that's not the whole storm
17:06<irgeek>Namecheap is the closest to that I can find.
17:07<Peng>Hmm, Namecheap is popular.
17:07<HoopyCat>TJF: i live in upstate NY; if real thunderstorms were naked women, i'd be on a three-man expedition to antarctica over here
17:07<TJF>HoopyCat: it almost looks like a downdraft
17:08<HoopyCat>TJF: yeah, i'd have to see a couple properly-geocoded photos in series and perhaps compare against timestamped reflectivity data to be sure, so at this point, i think i'm going to change my opinion to "whew, that's pretty"
17:08<TJF>HoopyCat: awesome photo none the less
17:09<HoopyCat>TJF: there are few people out there who, when faced with a tornadic thunderstorm within certain-death range, will wander outside with a tripod and camera to nab an image
17:11<TJF>HoopyCat: I don't worry unless it's under a mile and closing
17:12<HoopyCat>those moments when it goes from rain/wind/huge hail/dark as night to dry, just slightly breezy, and no hail... those make me worry
17:13<HoopyCat>'cuz if the huge hail is being sucked back up into the sky, what's next? :-)
17:13<TJF>insurance claims usually
17:14<Multitask>should i enter all or just one of those linode nameservers?
17:15<irgeek>All 4
17:15<Peng>More nameservers are btter.
17:15<Peng>And you are required to have 2.
17:15<Peng>At least.
17:15<Peng>better*, hmph
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17:18<irgeek>Peng: Since the DNS Manager is going to propagate your domain to all four servers anyway, it's probably better to add them all since that helps distribute the load across them.
17:20<Peng>I know.
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17:24<bliblok>Is the load distributed evenly, or is the first one default, the second first hot-spare, and soforth?
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17:24<Peng>I think it's often the latter.
17:27<bd_>it's allowed to be either, depending on how the recursive resolver server feels like behaving, I think :)
17:34<Beirdo>it's SUPPOSED to round robin (according to RFCs), but the resolvers on many platforms (most notedly most Windows systems) just use the first DNS server
17:34<Beirdo>then the second if it fails, etc
17:34<@caker>I send my queries out to all of them ... it's a race
17:35<Beirdo>but to get around that, many DNS servers will feed the servers the DNS servers for any domain in random order
17:35<HoopyCat>caker: maybe that's how OpenDNS does it ;-)
17:35*Beirdo spent far too much time doing DNS work in detail :)
17:36<Beirdo>2 weeks to real employment. YAY
17:37<@caker>Beirdo: I don't remember hiring you!
17:37-!-replaceafill [] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
17:37<Beirdo>heh, no, it's elsewhere
17:37<Beirdo>no worries, you didn't get THAT drunk :)
17:37-!-exor|zzz is now known as exor674
17:37<@caker>Beirdo: so .. spill the beans
17:38<Beirdo>I get the pleasure of a 1.5h commute each way
17:38<Beirdo>going to Infotech Aerospace (here in Puerto Rico)
17:39<Beirdo>let me dig up the URL again
17:39<tjfontaine>you didn't get that drunk *this* time
17:39<Beirdo>there :)
17:40<@caker>Beirdo: congrats
17:40<mwalling>90min commute... on PR... what is it, on the other side of the island?
17:40<Beirdo>pretty much
17:40<Beirdo>I live in Dorado, the job's Isabela
17:41<Beirdo>it's northwest, I'm north-central
17:41<Beirdo>more specifically:
17:41<Beirdo>that's the department I'm signing on to :)
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17:44<tuncay>can someone tell me how i can upload files to my linode
17:44<tuncay>my scp program crashes if i just try and login using the ssh credentials
17:45<mwalling>then fix your scp program?
17:45<tuncay>so it should be fine
17:45<tuncay>i mean i didn't setup any ssh server on my node
17:45<@linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
17:46<bd_>if the program crashes on your local machine, well, that's not a problem with your linode :)
17:46<tuncay>i can connect to the node via putty just fine
17:46<mwalling>you cant scp through lish.
17:46<tuncay>so what should i do?
17:46<mwalling>17:45 < mwalling> then fix your scp program?
17:46<bd_>tuncay: what are you sshing to?
17:46<@caker>tuncay: you're ssh/scping into your Linode's IP address, right?
17:46<tuncay>to my node
17:47<@caker>that's for console/lish access only.
17:47<bd_>tuncay: that's the host, not your node
17:47<tuncay>oh ok
17:47<tuncay>so i should scp to my ip,
17:47<tuncay>but before i do that i should set up an ssh server in my distro right?
17:48<cruxeternus>if you deployed from a Linode image, it should already be set up
17:48<tuncay>ok let me try and then come back in a min :)
17:49<irgeek>If you're using Debain or Ubuntu, you need to update your SSH keys too. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
17:49<tuncay>thanks so much
17:49<tuncay>it works with the ip
17:49<tuncay>i thought that was mapped to my ip
17:50<irgeek>It's not.
17:51<tuncay>sorry to bother anyone, but last question, i am a relatively new/learning sysadmin
17:51<bd_>tuncay: is mappedto the physical machine you're on :)
17:51<tuncay>how do i setup the email server for my domain
17:51<tuncay>that is hosted on linode now
17:51<irgeek>apt-get install postfix
17:51<tuncay>i setup the webserver etc. and those work fine
17:52<@caker>tuncay: btw, it's "set up" .. setup is a noun
17:52<mwalling>caker: already told him that :)
17:52<@caker>he didn't listen
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17:52<tuncay>hehe sorry
17:52<tuncay>i am sorry
17:52<mwalling>irgeek: and you'r going to show him how to set up postfix, right?
17:52<irgeek>You need to configure Postfix to accept and deliver mail and you'll also need a POP3 or IMAP server.
17:52<irgeek>And an MX record.
17:53<purrdeta>pfft pop3/imap... go mutt and Maildir!! :P
17:53<irgeek>!google postfix dovecot howto
17:53<@linbot>irgeek: Search took 0.18 seconds: Setting Up Email: A Postfix / Dovecot HOWTO - RimuHosting: <>; Howto : Postfix (with SMTP AUTH and TLS) and Dovecot (with SSL) on ...: <>; HOWTO : Postfix , Dovecot , Jamm, OpenLDAP, SSL, and SASL: <>; Postfix SASL (3 more messages)
17:53<Beirdo>and a large amount of caffeine
17:53<@caker>!moar irgeek
17:53<@linbot>caker: Howto: <>; HowTo - Dovecot Wiki: <>; step by step howto dovecot - postfix fc4 - <>; Johnny Chadda .se : Mail server HOWTO - Postfix and Dovecot with ...: < (2 more messages)
17:54<@linbot>caker: Linode360 - 82, Linode540 - 47, Linode720 - 15, Linode1080 - 8, Linode1440 - 5, Linode2880 - 3
17:54<Beirdo>sometime I should move to a xen linode.
17:55<Beirdo>but I never can find a good time to want to shut down :)
17:55<tuncay>thanks everyone very much
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17:56<Beirdo>caker: any update on the upgrade schedule for UML->XEN?
17:56<@caker>Atlanta will be all Xen within 6-8 weeks
17:56<@caker>the other two are still TBD
17:56<Beirdo>K. So I'll be upgraded in 8 weeks at the latest about then :)
17:58<Beirdo>I might as well wait then. Atlanta still gives me the most stable decent ping times from here
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17:58<Beirdo>which makes sense, as it is physically the closest unless you put a DC in Miami :)
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18:04<QuadCore> /exit
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18:06<irgeek>Third times the charm
18:08<encode>so my Intel atom based mini-itx board arrived last night
18:08<encode>but ubuntu fails to boot on it :S
18:10<@caker>how so?
18:10<irgeek>encode: Link?
18:11<encode>umm, some modprobe error. I didn't write it down, and I'm at work now
18:11<encode>irgeek: to what? the board? or the error?
18:11<irgeek>The board.
18:11<irgeek>I've been looking at mini-itx boards lately.
18:11<irgeek>Hadn't seen an atom based one.
18:11<irgeek>At least, not that I noticed.
18:12<encode>i got it from
18:12<Alucard>Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: You have forged your query. Please try again.
18:12<Alucard> thinks I'm a spambot?
18:12<Alucard>*tries allowing cookies*
18:13<encode>annoyingly, the heatsink+fan is higher than usual. Oh, and its actually on the northbridge. the CPU is passively cooled
18:13<mwalling>i've got minibox's picoLcD
18:13<mwalling>thats a fun toy
18:13<encode>i got their M300-LCD case as well
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18:13<encode>its pretty flimsy, but then i suppose it doesn't need to be that sturdy
18:13<encode>love the picoPSU
18:14<mwalling>i still need to get that
18:14<mwalling>its parts from when my friend dismanteled his vaporware carpc
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18:14<irgeek>The fan makes it less attractive, I need brains for my next bot, but I don't want to to hum.
18:15<mwalling>my old via board is all passive :)
18:15<encode>irgeek: yeah. not sure how well the northbridge would go without a fan. maybe you could get a larger heatsink
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18:16<irgeek>I'm also tempted to go nano or pico itx.
18:16<encode>pretty sure pico itx has a fan too
18:17<encode>maybe you should go gumstix instead
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18:18<irgeek>The only pico-itx I've seen does have a fan. And the only nano-itx That's in stock has headers instead of ports.
18:18<irgeek>Gumstix are definitely an option.
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18:23<irgeek>The downside of gumstix is not being able to add memory and such. Not a problem in the short term, but could add difficulties down the line.
18:24<encode>just cluster them :)
18:24<encode>gumstix seems to release new models every now and then that have more flash and ram etc
18:24<mwalling>anyone done socket programing in python?
18:25<mwalling>actually, belay that. i'm going home
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18:29<encode> <-- thats pretty similar (if not exactly) what I was getting
18:30<encode>according to that thread if i disable onboard ethernet, things should work
18:30<encode>i'll do that when I get home
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18:35<encode>cool, theres even a bug report about it
18:37<Alucard>so what the hell
18:37<Alucard>I have a friend with a new Ubuntu server from cheapvps
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18:37<Alucard>I can ping it
18:37<Alucard>but the box can't resolve anything
18:37<Alucard>nor ping
18:37<irgeek>Alucard: Tell your friend to switch to Linode.
18:38<Alucard>and this Ubuntu doesn't come with nslookup/host/dig or iptables
18:38<Alucard>or telnet
18:40<Alucard>or nano or pico, and he's bad at vim
18:40<encode>Alucard: theres a good reason for that
18:40<Alucard>encode: for what? not coming with a telnet _client_ ?
18:40<encode>oh, wait - your friend's VM doesn't come with it?
18:40<Bryanstein>well Alucard how hard is it to apt-get things
18:41<scorche|sh>apt-get install dnsutils ?
18:41<encode>or your linode doesn't
18:41<Bryanstein>lol I know scorche
18:41<Alucard>Bryanstein, scorche|sh
18:41<Alucard>18:37:28: / Alucard / but the box can't resolve anything
18:41<Alucard>it's EXTREMELY hard when you have no DNS
18:41<Alucard>and can't get out of the box anyway
18:41<Bryanstein>no it isn't
18:41<Bryanstein>yes you can
18:41<Alucard>encode: the friend's VPS
18:41<Bryanstein>ping the ip in the /etc/apt/sources list
18:41<encode>so umm, why are we helping you to help a friend who doesn't even use linode?
18:41<scorche|sh>linode debian image didnt have dnsutils either
18:42<Bryanstein>and ...if it can't resolve...add servers to the /etc/hosts
18:42<Alucard>scorche|sh: linode debian image didn't have broken Internet out of the box and few troubleshooting tools
18:42<Alucard>Bryanstein: first thing we tried
18:42<scorche|sh>then tell him to get a linode! ;)
18:42<Alucard>I had him add a public DNS server I knew worked, and the box still couldn't find it
18:42<Bryanstein>you can just put in ipaddresses Alucard or can dl the package on your system
18:42<Bryanstein>then scp it to the box
18:43<irgeek>Linode >> cheapvps
18:43<Alucard>irgeek: yes
18:44<scorche|sh>is this surprising in some way? ;)
18:44<Bryanstein>Alucard, how many nics does it have?
18:44<bob2>haha, cheapvps are more expensive than linode
18:44<Alucard>Bryanstein: also, download it to the box with what program?
18:44<Bryanstein>you have ssh access right?
18:44<Alucard>there is no wget, curl, lynx/links/elinks
18:45<Alucard>yes he can SSH in
18:45<Bryanstein>ok then you can send the files to it with scp
18:45<Alucard>but we have yet to find something that can get out of the box
18:45<bob2>doesn't this sound a lot more like soething you should talk to the cheapvps support people about?
18:45<Bryanstein>scp blahblah.deb
18:45<bob2>given that yourr friend gave them money and in return got a broken machine
18:45<encode>bob2: thats what I was thinking
18:45<irgeek>Alucard: cheapvps uses OpenVZ. It is teh suck.
18:46<Bryanstein>like that Alucard scp blahblah.deb
18:46<Alucard>encode, bob2: feel free to ignore it. I was mentioning it as more of a "wtf how can this be" not as a "support cheapvps you linoders"
18:46<Alucard>encode, bob2: he has opened a ticket with them but asked me to try troubleshooting too
18:46<Alucard>irgeek: I suppose I should google waht openvz is, unless you have a summary of why it's teh suck?
18:47<Bryanstein>run apt-get with the download flag and scp the files to the box
18:47<Bryanstein>lol Alucard I think you guys are making a minor mistake
18:47<Alucard>he bought it without asking me
18:47<Alucard>so not my fault ;)
18:47<irgeek>Alucard: It's not a real virtual server. All processes on the box run in the same memory space. With UML/Xen, you get your own kernel and you can't fsck up anything else.
18:47<Alucard>he managed to get a special offer of a year for $30
18:48<irgeek>Alucard: He got what he paid for I guess. ;)
18:48<bob2>process space, maybe
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18:49<Bryanstein>Alucard, that pastebin sucked too you need to show /etc/resolv.conf and the output of route
18:50<Bryanstein>sorry I said /etc/hosts earlier
18:50<Alucard>etc/resolv.conf is just: nameserver
18:50<Bryanstein>who put that their?
18:50<Bryanstein>lol like ole
18:50<Alucard>'cause it's a public one that I know works
18:50<Bryanstein>what was initially there ?
18:51<fo0bar>"public" in the sense that nobody has threatened anyone or taken it offline
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18:51<Alucard>nameserver and nameserver
18:51<fo0bar>but I don't think anyone's given explicit permission to use 4.2.2.*
18:51<sveiss>if anyone ever breaks, I'll be irked... it's my "DNS is broke and I must traceroute" machine
18:52<Bryanstein>lol sveiss I thought that is what everyone used it for
18:52-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
18:52<fo0bar>ditto :) I'm just saying, proper nettiquete is not to rely on a server that just happenes to be there
18:52<Alucard>"route" is apparently hanging after "Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface"
18:52<bob2>poor mikegrb
18:52<zeroday>isnt +q net op?
18:53<irgeek>The idiots I worked with in Egypt had decided that is the only DNS server that should be enabled on any computer.
18:53<Alucard>+q is some sort of throttling here
18:53<HoopyCat> is anycasted, at least
18:53<Bryanstein>well Alucard I'd put those back just for the heck of it restart networking
18:53<HoopyCat>so someone is throwing some amount of resources at it
18:53<Bryanstein>lol irgeek
18:53<Alucard>stop l o l ing before you kick mikegrb off
18:53<Bryanstein>Ha...I ping that machine to death
18:54<fo0bar>Finnix has the servers listed at as default, since frankly, I couldn't find any other "stable" public offering resolvers
18:54<scorche|sh>+q is a mute, but it doesnt apply to him
18:54<HoopyCat>fo0bar: technically, opendns would probably work
18:54<mwalling>+o overrides +q
18:54<Bryanstein>yes HoopyCat it should work
18:54*mikegrb uses a telephone and fo0bar on speed dial as his name server
18:55<scorche|sh>as i said, it doesnt apply to him..
18:55<mwalling>i was simply stating why :P
18:55<scorche|sh>fine then =P
18:55<fo0bar>HoopyCat: I didn't like the idea of filtered results, especially for something like Finnix where bad DNS could really mess you up if you're trying to debug something
18:56<HoopyCat>mikegrb, could you do me a favor and return all AAAA records for
18:57<fo0bar>especially the wildcard results, ala netsol
18:57<HoopyCat>fo0bar: nod... i'm not sure how i feel about using 4.2.2.[1-3], but hey, *someone* is building them out :-)
18:57<path->good thing mikegrb has ops :P
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18:57<path->or not :P
18:58<fo0bar>I was about to see if Linode wanted to be "The Official DNS Provider of Finnix (For Times When Booting Finnix Doesn't Get A DHCP Server)", but it looks like is only recursive for linode client IPs
18:58<fo0bar>(good for them, frankly)
19:00<path->you are looking for dns servers that are open to the whole net?
19:00<fo0bar>path-: not really since I found, but yeah, you never know where finnix will be booted
19:01<fo0bar>15:55 < fo0bar> HoopyCat: I didn't like the idea of filtered results, especially for something like Finnix where bad DNS could really mess you up if you're trying to debug something
19:01<fo0bar>15:57 < fo0bar> especially the wildcard results, ala netsol
19:01<path->how would the machine get on the net without dhcp though?
19:01<mwalling>path-: ...\
19:01<iggy>yeah, understandable
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19:24<HoopyCat>PING 4 wheel car
19:24<HoopyCat>From Destination unreachable: No route
19:24<HoopyCat>ah hell, looks like I-80 is down
19:24<@mikegrb>hope you have backups
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19:30<HoopyCat>i can totally ford that
19:33<HoopyCat>path-: yep, you found my other car
19:33<path->will you take me water skiing?
19:34<HoopyCat>only if you're wearing a bikini with an unusually high price/in^2 ratio and an unusally low price
19:35<path->heh, you wouldn't want to see me in one :P
19:35<Bdragon>Hahaha, took me a second to get that...
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19:50<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: you have an aqua car, right?
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19:50<@mikegrb>path-: said it
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20:04<Bdragon>3) Caulk the wagon and float it across
20:04<Alucard>4) Aquaman has drowned
20:06<Bdragon>(screw food, bring a crapload of axles...)
20:10<path->get lots and lots of oxen and be the first one across before it all breaks
20:11<Bdragon>Or before everyone dies of dysentery
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20:27<HoopyCat>(your next question: who took the picture? )
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20:42<Peng>caker / mikegrb: ns3 and ns4 vanished from my NS records.
20:42*caker looks
20:43<Peng>Did deleting my duplicate copies break something?
20:43<@caker>it shouldn't have
20:44<straterra>caker broke it
20:44<straterra>He's holding your DNS for ransom
20:44<bd_>hmm, it'd be interesting to see graphs of comparative traffic load across ns[1234] a few months later, to see how quickly people added [34] to their registrars
20:44<mwalling>no, jadoba did
20:44<Peng>bd_: Also to see how much ns1 is favored.
20:45<Peng> resolvers that only ever use the first serve.r
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20:48<@caker>I found a bug in CF earlier today .. NumberFormat calculates padding based on the mask you pass in, but it does so before rounding (yes, it rounds)
20:48<@caker>NumberFormat(9.51, "00") returns 010
20:54<@jadoba>mwalling: I did who in the what now?
20:55<Peng>caker: Well, ns3 and ns4 are back. Thanks. Any idea what went wrong?
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20:56<Peng>312? That's pretty low.
20:56<mwalling>jadoba: broke it
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20:57<Peng>mwalling: Did he break CF too?
20:58<@caker>Peng: no clue what's stomping over my nsList variable
20:58<Peng>caker: But it's working now?
20:59<mwalling>Peng: dono, ask the cf god
21:00<Peng>caker: Okay. Thanks.
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21:21<mwalling>21:20 [*] Irssi: Couldn't create log file /home/mwalling/.irssi/logs/6oftc/bp{k}/2008/06/16: Read-only file system
21:22<mwalling>it did it again
21:22<mwalling>wanna come in and poke around?
21:22<Peng>What did who?
21:22<@caker>mwalling: switch to 4k blocksize
21:22<Peng>You're using a 1k block size? Yikes.
21:22<mwalling>Peng: caker did it
21:23<@caker>mwalling: well ... make a new disk image, mount both, cp -au src/* dst/
21:23<@caker>if you need some temp space, lemme know...
21:23*mwalling nods
21:24<Alucard>what kind of system doesn't come with crontab?
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21:24<j2d2->tramp for emacs is neat.
21:24*Peng wanders off over there.
21:25<Peng>G'night. :)
21:25<Peng>I think.
21:25<mwalling>caker: anyway the dashboard could make images with 4k blks?
21:25<@caker>it does
21:26<@caker>new, blank, ext3 images are made with 4k blocksize
21:26<@caker>and all the distro templates have been converted to 4k bs
21:26<@caker>this was a recent change, btw
21:26<mwalling>i was going to say
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21:28<@caker>mwalling: any clues how to reproduce that? what workload is that fs under?
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21:29<mwalling_>i showed mikegrb...
21:29<@mikegrb>yeah talking about that with him in another chan ;)
21:29-!-lakin_ [] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
21:29<mwalling_>its what i was doing last time it went off too
21:29<@caker>seek and destroy
21:29<Alucard>mine died while I was doing a backup, if that's of any use
21:30<mwalling_>SkiddieBot is getting all pissed off now
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21:33<mwalling_>caker: i can has ~~6 gigs?
21:33<@caker>mwalling_: which node?
21:33<mwalling_>(the one on dallas69)
21:34<mwalling_>i dont see it
21:34<@caker>click Linode Manager, then back on the node?
21:35<mwalling_>see it
21:35<path->mwalling_: has it happened a few times?
21:35<mwalling_>(logged out)
21:35<mwalling_>path-: this was the second time
21:35*path- has 1k blocks too
21:35<path->but i'm lazy
21:36<path->and it really hasn't impact me yet
21:36<Alucard>it's only a matter of time !!
21:36<path->not if something changes in xen or the kernel or something
21:37*path- holds out that mike finds the bug :)
21:39<mwalling_>path-: well, i figured out what i did to trigger it
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21:40<path->anyone use
21:40<mwalling_>21:40 < mwalling_> mikegrb: look at my cpugraph
21:40<mwalling_>21:40 < mwalling_> think that had something to do with it?
21:40<path->i saw they changed some of their policies
21:40<mwalling_>caker: ^^
21:41<path-> postfix/smtpd[3121]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [] blocked using; Net is UCEPROTECT-Level2 listed because of 3326 abusers. Your ISP OPALTELECOM-AS Opal Telecom/AS13285 has to fix this. See:; from=<> to=<> proto=ESMTP helo=<[
21:41<path->that's great..
21:41<@caker>mwalling_: that's not too suspicious
21:42*caker shrugs
21:42<Bdragon>Shotgun blacklisting?
21:42<path->most of them are MUCH smaller
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21:42<tjfontaine>path-: you wish she said that.
21:43<path->they have three rbls, one is single ip, one is subnets, and another is ASs
21:43<path->and the three lists come from three different sources
21:43<@caker> /11 = 2097150 hosts :)
21:43<path->i had to whitelist's mail server networks :P
21:44<path->but it's catching all the irs spam we get
21:44<path->and bank scams
21:44<path->they said on their website the 3rd list is for BOFH's
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21:45<path->i'm using it too :P
21:45<path->at least until i get complaints
21:45<Bdragon>There, no more spam.
21:45<HoopyCat>path-: sounds like someone's got an old bogon list
21:45<path->that would fix all my problems
21:45<path->i think they are operating on spamtraps
21:46<path->seem better than the APEWS people
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21:46<path->thats probably a low bar
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21:47<mwalling_>der... dont sleep the computer
21:47*tjfontaine sleeps mwalling_
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21:47<tjfontaine>you put the rat of the river to sleep!
21:48<@caker> <-- most. addictive. game. ever.
21:48<path->there is a CRAPLOAD from Your ISP INTERNAP-BLOCK-4 - Internap Network Services/AS14743 has to fix this. See:
21:49<path-> Your ISP GREATBASIN - Great Basin Internet Services, Inc/AS5752
21:49<path->thats what i meant to paste
21:49<@caker>surfen der tuben!
21:49<tjfontaine>caker: multiplayer or vs ai?
21:49<@caker>tjfontaine: both .. multiplayer is the addictive part
21:50<@caker>but the AI is good, too
21:50<@caker>It's taken me weeks to become decent at it .. and I still suck compared to some of these guys
21:51*tjfontaine makes note to play soon
21:54<mwalling_>what was that command you gave me for checking blocksize?
21:54<@caker>tune2fs -l /dev/blah
21:55<tjfontaine>hmm I just found myself in a facebook picture that I really shouldn't be in, especially doing my animated drunk talking
21:56<mwalling_>Block size: 4096
21:57<QuadCore>where can I get a list of server applicatins?
21:57<QuadCore>that was my first place to check
21:58<QuadCore>I don;t like Google, it prevents people interaction
21:58<irgeek>Looks like Linode is pretty stable: Filesystem created: Wed Jan 26 09:21:56 2005; Mount count: 8
21:58<irgeek>QuadCore: Are you looking for packages? We'd need to know your distro.
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21:59<QuadCore>I am looking for full servers applications, like Openxchange, as an example.
21:59<irgeek>Ah, you beat me.
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22:01<QuadCore>mwalling: I thought I was specific enough
22:02<QuadCore>it would help if the url
22:02<tjfontaine>isn't openxchange a novell thang?
22:02<QuadCore>had answers
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22:02<QuadCore>openxchange is "open" source
22:02<QuadCore>they have a corporate version though
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22:02<tjfontaine>years ago for suse when everyone wanted an exchange killer there was one similar named
22:03<tjfontaine>hah, I win,
22:03<QuadCore>there is a community edition
22:03-!-lakin [] has joined #linode
22:03<tjfontaine>I knew I remembered something like it
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22:05<QuadCore>tjlafontaine: you win not. 404 page not found on
22:05<tjfontaine>woah. am not french.
22:05<tjfontaine>my name is tj fontaine
22:05<tjfontaine>it's been about 100 years since la was in it
22:06<HoopyCat>sounds like the nba
22:06<HoopyCat>the googlevan visited our neighborhood!
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22:07<QuadCore>my fingers do spellcheck as I type, my bad. I'll switch the dictionary to US English.
22:07<path->i added to my blacklist
22:07<path->jerks wouldn't remove me
22:07<tjfontaine>did they hand out googlepops?
22:07<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: nope, but they took a picture of the house during the couple of days between the front steps being rebuilt and the railing being installed
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22:08<exor674>I want to see a google!van
22:09<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: they should totally pass out flinstones pushpops while doing such things
22:09<tjfontaine>they're otherwise squandering thousands of dollars
22:09<tjfontaine>otherwise well spent on refreshing summer time treats
22:12<path->someone asked nanog about cable colors :P
22:12<path->like a hundred msgs in an hour
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22:15<tuncay>i have a problem with email server setting up
22:15<tuncay>i mean i have read a manual
22:15<tuncay>and gone through a horrendous amount of command executions
22:16<@linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
22:16<tuncay>and yet it seems to me there should be sth simple
22:16<irgeek>None of that information helps us help you.
22:16<irgeek>Email is not simple.
22:16<tuncay>ok so then here is the question:
22:16<irgeek>Many people think it is--this is a huge part of the spam problem.
22:16<tuncay>i just want to forward to my gmail account
22:17<tuncay>where is hosted by my linode
22:17<tuncay>isn't there a 30 sec way of doing this
22:17<irgeek>Postfix + MX record + aliases
22:17<mwalling>thats your 30 second way
22:17<path->yea, you need
22:17<tuncay>i installed postfix already
22:17<path->well, it's like 30 min for dns to propagate
22:18*caker degausses #linode
22:18<mendel>caker, when is linode's 5th birthday
22:18<irgeek>tuncay: What about MX record + aliases
22:18<irgeek>mendel: Today
22:18<@caker>mendel: today -- June 16th
22:19<@caker>everyone: read /topic !!
22:19<mendel>ok, thought so, wasn't sure :)
22:19*bssteph is 20% happier today
22:19<mendel>i wasn't sure if it was today or just "around today somewhere"
22:19<tuncay>for my mx records
22:19<mendel>linode was founded two days before my wife and I went on our first date!
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22:19<@caker>20% to your Linode manhood
22:19<tuncay>there is in it
22:19<mendel>do with this information what you will
22:20<irgeek>tuncay: Is there an A record pointing mail to your domain?
22:20<avongauss>Happy Anniversary! Any five year predictions? ;)
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22:20<path->you disk consumption will grow by 20% this year
22:20<mwalling>oh yeah
22:20<mwalling>i have to give caker his disks back
22:21<irgeek>tuncay: Have you set up aliases?
22:21<mwalling>caker: how much do i owe you?
22:22<tuncay>irgeek: how do i do that?
22:22*HoopyCat takes his 20% larger disk and heads off to bed
22:23<StevenK>HoopyCat: Leave a little mystery. Please.
22:23<@caker>mwalling: 10g
22:23<mwalling>in mb?
22:23<mwalling>(i wasnt paying attention to how much you gave me)
22:23<irgeek>tuncay: postconf | grep alias_database
22:24<@caker>!calc 28432 - 18432
22:24<@linbot>caker: 28,432 - 18,432 = 10,000
22:24<@caker>that many
22:24<irgeek>tuncay: You'll get something like: alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
22:24<irgeek>Edit that file.
22:24<Time>firefox 3 download day :D
22:24<tuncay>i have root : linode
22:24<irgeek>The run newaliases
22:24<tuncay>in this file
22:25<irgeek>That's normal.
22:25<irgeek>You need to add to it.
22:25<tuncay>so i add sth like:
22:25<irgeek>Format man page: man 5 aliases
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22:26<tuncay>newuser :
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22:26<tuncay>ok let me take a look
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22:26<tuncay>thanks so much for your kind help
22:27<irgeek>That will work for what you want to do.
22:28<irgeek>You also need to have all of these parameters set correctly: postconf | egrep "^my"
22:29<irgeek>They are in you file.
22:29<tuncay>so here mydestination myhostname and myorigin are equal to
22:29<tuncay>so here mydestination myhostname and myorigin are equal to
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22:30<irgeek>mydomain should be the domain you want to accept mail for.
22:30<irgeek>myhostname should be the FQDN for your server (forward and reverse DNS should match)
22:30<mwalling>caker: take it away, and thanks!
22:31<irgeek>mydestination is usually $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost, $mydomain - or - $myhostname, $mydomain - or - $mydomain
22:32*StevenK should probably convert his filesystems from 1k block size to 4k.
22:32<tuncay>mydestination =, ubuntu, localhost.localdomain, localhost
22:32<irgeek>myorigin is usually either $mydomain - or - $myhostname
22:32<tuncay>mydomain =
22:33<tuncay>myhostname =
22:33<irgeek>mydestination = $mydomain, ubuntu, localhost.localdomain, localhost
22:33<tuncay>myorigin =
22:34<irgeek>tuncay: Use the variables. The $ in the examples I gave are important.
22:34<irgeek>Also, your hostname should have a host part.
22:35<tuncay>i used the vars instead of writing them out as you said
22:35<tuncay>what do you mean by host part
22:37<irgeek>Does you IP reverse to
22:37<irgeek>22:30 < irgeek> myhostname should be the FQDN for your server (forward and reverse DNS should match)
22:37<tuncay>i am sorry for my ignorance
22:37<tuncay>but i don't know how to check that
22:38<irgeek>host x.x.x.x
22:38<StevenK>When you ping, what IP does it ping, and does it return the same name when you run 'host <IP>' ?
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22:39<mwalling>i'm still alive
22:39<tuncay>it pings my ip correctly
22:41<tuncay>there is no host command
22:41<tuncay>which package should i install to be able to run host
22:41<irgeek>On Ubuntu/Debian I think it's in dnsutila
22:42<irgeek>I'm wrong: bind9-host
22:43<tuncay> domain name pointer
22:43<tuncay>this is what i get
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22:44<irgeek>You'll notice they match.
22:44<tuncay>that is my ip, correct
22:44<tuncay>but when i ping:, i also get my ip correctly
22:44<irgeek>If you have the forward name set up, you can change reverse under the Network tab in the Linode Manager
22:45<irgeek>tuncay: We understand that. Did you look at that wikipedia page?
22:45<irgeek>The point is to have forward and reverse match.
22:45<tuncay>i see yeah i did thanks
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22:46<tuncay>but one thing i am curious is, will this affect the fact that i am also running the webserver on the same node
22:48<tuncay>so i guess i'll wait until the reverse dns propagates
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22:48<tuncay>and then will the server be enable to forward email to : or
22:49<irgeek>As for the name, using mail is fine, but if you expect to add other servers under the same domain service based name (like mail) start to make less sense. I name my servers after Colorado Fourteeners (mountains) so I have names like mt-elbert
22:50<Schroeder>Barack Obama is an advocate of slavery and murder of the human spirit
22:50<irgeek>tuncay: The MX record for you domain tells other computers what server to talk to for sending mail.
22:50<irgeek>Schroeder: Been reading Mcain's site have we?
22:50<tuncay>ok, so any mail that comes to an address ending in will be forwarded using the aliases right?
22:51<Schroeder>oh, McCain's no better
22:51*Schroeder is a Bob Barr supporter
22:51<Schroeder>the only non-radical leftist running
22:52<tuncay>irgeek: thanks again very much
22:53<irgeek>tuncay: Only if you have an alias for the first part that tells your mail server where to forward mail.
22:53<tuncay>i hope linode doesn't mind me deleting and adding systems every 3 hrs :)
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22:53<tuncay>irgeek: thanks
22:55<exor674>tuncay: why are you doing that?
22:56<tuncay>i am new to sysadmin
22:56<tuncay>and i want to do things systematically
22:57<tuncay>i am preparing a recipe so to speak to start up
22:57<tuncay>i.e. if things go bad, i want to just redo the steps and be up and running
22:58<exor674>tuncay: for some reason I thought you were saying you were creating new nodes every 3 hours...
22:58<TheFirst>you can't prepare for to understand ... that way you can problem solve quickly and effectively
22:58<tuncay>oh no no, just creating a new system instead of the old one
22:59<tuncay>thefirst: yeah sure, i believe you. but i shouldn't google everytime i want to forward my email addresses, get the web server running as i want etc.
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