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---Logopened Mon Jul 21 00:00:13 2008
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01:19<NewBorn>hi all, is there a web page showing the average network latency between linode's datacenters?
01:29<booja>wait no that won't work
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01:30<djweezy>anyone succesfully use fail2ban on gentoo here?
01:31<Peng_>I've used DenyHosts on ubuntu..
01:32<djweezy>ya ive used fail2ban in debian on mine trying to get it working on gentoo now
01:33<Peng_>There are a few people here right now, but I don't know how many are Gentoo or fail2ban users.
01:33<Peng_>Maybe you should try a Gentoo channel.
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01:49<NewBorn>booja: ping will work but first i need to rent servers on all DCs
01:49<booja>yeah see
01:50<booja>that's no biggie!
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01:50<NewBorn>booja: biggie for me, credit cards maxed out
01:50<SeishinMoon>bouncer set up
01:50<SeishinMoon>I <3 this BNC
01:51<SeishinMoon>I mean this VPS
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01:58<Peng_>Links to a large file hosted in each of the data centers.
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02:02<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
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02:04<jenocin>hey people, I am rsync'ing server I have on slicehost, do I really need to put the fs into recovery mode first, I made a second hd image in linode and I am testing on there
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02:05<Peng_>If you're rsyncing around an entire OS, you shouldn't be running it at the same time.
02:05<Peng_>Though you probably could from the source, if you shut it down at the end and do a second rsync to catch other changes.
02:06<jenocin>probably do it that way Peng_, don't want to take the server down yet, have about 20 sites sitting on it atm
02:06<SelfishMan>Depends on the deltas
02:06<jenocin>another thing is slicehost only leaves recovery mode on for 90 mins then auto reboots
02:06<SelfishMan>I take it just migrating the data is not practical?
02:07<jenocin>SelfishMan: started doing that but running a control panel thats a pain to migrate
02:08<jenocin>SelfishMan: figured I'd try the rsync way on a second drive on linode and see how it goes
02:08<SelfishMan>In that case I would recommend stopping all the major services (WWW, SMTP, POP3, IMAP, etc) and running the rsync
02:09<SelfishMan>I've also had a surprising amount of success using dd over netcat
02:09<jenocin>still gotta move the data in 90 mins, what about if I leave it up, rsync it, then rsync again in a ro mode
02:09<SelfishMan>Just a warning, I recently heard that Slicehost is using 64-bit kernels exclusively so make sure you use a 64-bit kernel when you configure your Linode profile.
02:10<SelfishMan>I've successfully done rsync and dd over netcat when not in recovery mode. Stopping the services should stop writing any important files. Your core filesystem shouldn't really change during the process.
02:11<SelfishMan>The only exception would be /var/log, /var/www and /var/spool type stuff.
02:12<jenocin>SelfishMan: yeah that's what I was thinking, haven't used netcat really though, thanks for the heads up the kernel, forgot about that
02:13<SelfishMan>Well, it can't hurt to try. One thing I love about Linode is that you can have several profiles and extra disks
02:13<jenocin>yeah, i'm lovin that feature, i'm still new to the system
02:14<jenocin>multiple harddisk images are nice too
02:14<SelfishMan>Every single day I see something that I like. The numerous ready made and rapid deploying distros are awesome.
02:15<jenocin>is linode running coldfusion on their sites.. keep seeing cfm extensions
02:15<SelfishMan>It looks like it
02:17<jenocin>ok, another question for you all, I started the rsync on lish, do I need to stay connected to keep it active or does it run screen or something of that nature
02:17<Peng_>jenocin: lish runs screen. You can detach.
02:19<SelfishMan>LISH shows your console in a screen session. Disconnecting from LISH is no different than walking away from a physical console
02:19<jenocin>Peng: thanks, think i'm gonna crash out while this is moving, get the fun of resetting up all my dns settings on linode once I'm done, really need to think about going third party with that
02:20<Peng_>Linode has a nice DNS service.
02:21<SelfishMan>Linode hasn't really done anything wrong with their service
02:21<@linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
02:21<@linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 1, Atlanta720 - 1, Atlanta1080 - 6, Atlanta1440 - 4, Atlanta2880 - 2
02:21<@linbot>SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 8, Dallas720 - 9, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
02:22<@linbot>SelfishMan: Newark360 - 35, Newark540 - 23, Newark720 - 15, Newark1080 - 15, Newark1440 - 10, Newark2880 - 5
02:22<SelfishMan>I don't want another 360 in newark and I took the last one in dallas
02:22<jenocin>what's wrong with newark? thats where I'm at
02:23<SelfishMan>I have a node in newark already but I need another in Dallas because I need it to connect to the private network there
02:23<SelfishMan>I'll get a 360 in Fremont and Atlanta as soon as one shows up
02:24<jenocin>private network keep you from getting bw between servers?
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02:51<StevenK>Hm. I know why there are none in Fremont, I wonder what's up with Dallas.
02:52<Peng_>I think new hosts are supposed to arrive in Dallas today.
02:52<Peng_>And I just discovered that I screwed up my log formatting.
02:54<Peng_>That's better.
02:55<StevenK>Ah, so SelfishMan just needs to /nick PatientMan for roughly 24 hours
02:56<SelfishMan>I'm good waiting. Just checking so I can snatch it up when one is available
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04:35<deadatom>anyone awake?
04:35<StevenK>For some value of
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04:36<deadatom>i have a question... i wish to start a site thats like.. a multi-blog/message board ... and have maybe an irc bot... how much ram minimum would i need?
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04:41<Navi`_>you can always start with the smallest and upgrade whenever needed =p
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04:42<Navi`>I've got several sites and had a little (really simple) irc bot written in java on a 360, no problems whatsoever
04:43<Navi`>but you can upgrade to larger packages without any problems, you can also buy extra ram only
04:44<deadatom>could you have any streaming media as well?
04:44<Navi`>anything legal is permitted on a linode as far as I know, don't know the ram requirements though =p
04:45<deadatom>i dont know anything about linux is my problem... all my computers are resource hogs.. i never have even set up a server as well
04:45<deadatom>so i could have the dns server up running as well on a 360?
04:45<StevenK>Linode provides DNS hosting
04:46<StevenK>deadatom: I would suggest setting up one service at a time, seeing how the VPS takes each one
04:47<deadatom>i dont know how to do any of that though... i mean what linux distribution should i use?
04:47<deadatom>i have never even used linux before
04:47<Navi`>if you never used linux, I guess Ubuntu would be a good start.. lot's of documentation and all that
04:48<Navi`>and you have to remind yourself it's only commandline, no GUI on top so that saves alot of ram as well
04:48<Navi`>I was a bit amazed what I could do with a 360 lol
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04:51<deadatom>man command lines.. im gonna be screwed... lol... well... i guess i should sign up... any good multiblog/message board scripts similar to vbullituen?
04:52<Navi`> has some good guides on setting up webserver, mail, ftp, mysql and all that, for each distrobution. they're mostly labeled 'the perfect server'
04:52<Navi`>only the site seems down for me at the moment
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04:53<Navi`>and also keep in mind if anything goes wrong you can just delete the image and start over =p
04:54<StevenK>Navi`: Perfect server, and it's down? :-P
04:54<Navi`>dunno if they have their own webserver set up with any of those guides xD
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05:00<Navi`>seems up again, < that's what I meant
05:01<Navi`>don't have to follow it exactly but it's maybe useful as a guideline
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05:02<Navi`>bind9 for example you don't need if you're gonna use linode's dns service
05:02<Navi`>and ispconfig / virtualmin isn't needed either, but it makes managing sites maybe a bit easier in the beginning
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05:08<deadatom>what about a flash video application?
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05:49<@linbot>New news from forums: Kernel version in General Discussion <>
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07:31<encode>whats a good shell for providing users access to a specified list of commands?
07:32<encode>I tried rssh with a chroot jail, but then I realised that it gave users no shell access at all
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07:37<Dave>encode: that sounds an odd thing to do
07:37<Dave>only method I can think of would be using groups, and messing with the permissions of /bin, /usr/bin etc
07:38<Dave>but that sounds ott
07:38<booja>encode: my mate did something similar
07:38<booja>wrote his own shell if I remember it correctly
07:40<encode>ugh, so much effort
07:40<encode>surely people have done this before
07:40<encode>Dave: i want to lock down some accounts so they can do barely anything. I have my reasons
07:41<arachnid>What's wrong with the chroot jail? Just put bash and the other commands they need to use in the jail.
07:42<encode>arachnid: well, the rssh chroot jail seems focused on providing scp/sftp/rsync etc
07:42<encode>the documentation make no reference to enabling an interactive shell at all
07:43<arachnid>So make your own chroot jail
07:43<encode>I don't know how
07:43<encode>but surely people have done this sort of thing before
07:43<arachnid>You should just be able to create the jail on the FS somewhere (in their home directory, for example) and set their shell to a script that calls chroot, then invokes bash.
07:44<encode>hmm, I'll do some further research. There has to be alternatives to bash constructed with this sort of thing in mind
07:44<arachnid>I doubt it. Besides, if you're relying on the shell to enforce the restrictions, you're going to have to vet every single command you want them to use
07:45<arachnid>Because if any of them allow them to execute other code on the FS (or their own code), they'll get out and have the full permissions of their user acct
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07:45<arachnid>A chroot jail is basically the only way to do this
07:47<encode>the users would only need to be able to change their password, nothing else
07:50<Dave>encode: perhaps your own shell would be the best? some kind of ncurses thing?
07:50*encode wonders how lish is implemented
07:51<encode>Dave: perhaps. I'll consider it
07:51<arachnid>Wait, so you need them to change their password, and that's it?
07:51<Dave>I would imagine you are allowing them to run binaries/scripts that you have created from it, right?
07:52<arachnid>Why not use rssh, and write a simple web interface for changing their password?
07:53<encode>I guess that could work. thanks.
07:53<arachnid>My pleasure :)
07:56<Dave>encode: the only thing you want them to do is change their password?
07:56<Dave>if so, just set their shell to /usr/bin/passwd
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09:11<Rayhale>Ummm hello, may I ask something? I want to know what is CentOS 5's min. system requirement?
09:11<Dave>Rayhale: checked centos's website? :)
09:12<Rayhale>*sigh* ok thanks Dave. :)
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09:13<Rayhale>is it based on desktop or server, just curious?
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09:13<Dave>Rayhale: whats the difference? :)
09:13<Rayhale>well I'm newbie. sorry for that. :)
09:13<Dave>actually, that doesnt actually give you the minimum requirements
09:14<Dave>tbh, it will probably install on just about anything
09:14<Rayhale>Alright.. good to know. Thanks again
09:15<HoopyCat>i once got it near my bread machine and now i have to use yum to add flax seeds :-(
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09:40<tozz2>is newark having network issues?
09:40<Toba_>I hope not
09:41<tozz2>weird, logging in on console and I get "isn't running
09:41<tozz2>and the user tozz is currently on a bnc on the box
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09:42<HoopyCat>not any more!
09:42<tozz2>got damnit
09:42<HoopyCat>tozz2: the lish "logview" command will probably tell you what died; lassie should respond shortly.
09:43<tozz2>she did
09:43<tozz2>just booted
09:43<tozz2>or maybe not
09:44<@linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: newark12 in System and Network Status <>
09:44<tozz2>thank you
09:44<Dave>tozz2: you on newark 12? :)
09:45<tozz2>talk about timing, been out of network for like three days
09:45<tozz2>first time I'm trying to logon the server is rebooting
09:45<tozz2>now I can chill
09:46<tozz2>3g wireless works in tunnels
09:46<HoopyCat>i wish we *had* tunnels
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09:47<tozz2>muhaha, old lady on cell "hello, can you hear me?"
09:47<tozz2>and I'm browsing the web just next to her
09:48<HoopyCat>watch it, some networks are configured to drop IP frames with the hubris bit set
09:48<HoopyCat>s/frames/packets/ # ugh, sorry, flashback
09:49<avongauss>I believe frames is still appropriate - the packet has to ride on something.
09:50<HoopyCat>yeah, but that'd be magical 3G unicorn frames, which probably would actually be the ones with the hubris flag set...
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09:50<avongauss>I thought they only used unicorn's for the LTE stuff. Amazing.
09:51<tozz2>brb on tozz'
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09:54<HoopyCat>man, this was recorded almost 50 years ago yet it sounds better than half the modern crap. miles davis, thank you for telling the studio to record the living shit out of this.
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09:57<tozz>yey, order is restored
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10:30<Pryon>HoopyCat: It's surprising how good the production values are on jazz records from the 50s and 60s. It's like the engineers knew what was fluff and what was worth caring about.
10:37<HoopyCat>Pryon: nod... it's always a good listen.
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---Logclosed Mon Jul 21 10:52:43 2008
---Logopened Mon Jul 21 10:58:21 2008
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11:12<SeishinMoon>Good morning all~~
11:13<SeishinMoon>What's new? :p
11:13<Nivex>it predated the loudness wars
11:13<Nivex>so it has better dynamic range
11:14<Nivex>I wish I could find it again: there was a site that had an original recording and a re-issued version.
11:14<Nivex>the re-issue was crap because they'd cranked it up
11:15*SeishinMoon wonders if he should upgrade to Linode 540 after his business starts up
11:15<mwalling_>caker likes the moneys
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12:02<Schroeder>ok, trombone practice time
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12:48<@linbot>New news from forums: help, linode with Private IP act as gateway fail!! in Linux Networking <>
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13:07<kotter>lindo with private ip act as a gateway to another lindo through private ip fail,
13:08<anderiv>kotter: yup, we know :-)
13:08<tjfontaine>[07-21] 12:48 <@linbot> New news from forums: help, linode with Private IP act as gateway fail!! in Linux Networking <>
13:08<anderiv>kotter: linbot posts new forum topics to the channel automatically.
13:09<SelfishMan>hmm...seems to me your routing is screwy
13:09<kotter> routing is screwy?
13:10<MrGeneral>7 gb bandwidth in 1 day =o
13:10<MrGeneral>i only have 200, :X
13:10<Battousai>stop torrenting
13:10<Battousai>also, don't worry, they won't shut you down
13:10<Battousai>they just meter you for the overage
13:11<MrGeneral>who u talking to?
13:11<MrGeneral>its shoutcast broadcast, err
13:11<kotter>SelfishMan: routing is screwy?
13:11<HoopyCat>MrGeneral: it resets to zero at the first of the month :-)
13:11<MrGeneral>lol :)
13:11<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, nice ;o
13:11<MrGeneral>its shoutcast! not torrent, u ugly's -.-
13:11*MrGeneral prepares revenge against them all
13:12<HoopyCat>you're using a lot of bandwidth. you MUST be pirating movies! *sends the MPAA*
13:12<MrGeneral>no wai!
13:12<MrGeneral>nah, actually
13:12<MrGeneral>uploaded a bunch of things
13:12<MrGeneral># Transfer/Mo 200 GB
13:12<MrGeneral># Incoming: 5.18 GB
13:12<MrGeneral># Outgoing: 1.33 GB
13:12<MrGeneral># Total: 6.51 GB
13:13<MrGeneral>5.18 gb in like 18 hours, dunno
13:13<Nivex>I chewed through ~4 GB during my initial upload. I doubt I'll hit that again.
13:14<HoopyCat>i wonder if you could use zmodem through lish by masking out things like ^A...
13:14<MrGeneral>lol Nivex ^^
13:14<MrGeneral>radio@li37-221:~$ du -h musics
13:14<MrGeneral>4.3G musics
13:14<MrGeneral>4.3 gb music for autodj, thats why <.<
13:14<MrGeneral>Outgoing: 1.33 GB <- not too much tho
13:15<MrGeneral>but with 10 listeners, that goes up really fast <.<
13:15<path->not many listeners yet?
13:15<MrGeneral>nah path- , i'm starting a new radio, a new idea
13:16<path->the music isn't stored on the linode?
13:16<path->like are you streaming to the linode and then out to listeners?
13:16<MrGeneral>o it is
13:16<MrGeneral>but not shared.
13:16<MrGeneral>ye sir
13:16<MrGeneral>i've it , 4.3 gb music
13:16<MrGeneral>for auto dj
13:16<MrGeneral>then if I want to dj, i'll kick the autodj
13:17<MrGeneral>and when I stop, it comes back...
13:17*robg removes someones enter key
13:17<MrGeneral>this way its a 24h/7 online radio <.<
13:17<HoopyCat>i almost said "you should add a private IP so people in your datacenter can listen to music on their linodes", then i realized that was the stupidest goddamned idea i've ever had
13:17<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, ! LOL
13:17<path->HoopyCat: you don't have speakers on your linode?
13:17<tjfontaine>it's not terrible if they stream through ssh on their linode, because then it's their BW not MrGenerals
13:18<HoopyCat>[rtucker@bluemoon ~]$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
13:18<HoopyCat>bash: /dev/audio: No such file or directory
13:18<MrGeneral>lol aww
13:18<MrGeneral>tjfontaine, xD
13:19<MrGeneral>oo , testing the network for only 1 day
13:19<MrGeneral>but, so far, so good :D
13:19<JasonF>HoopyCat: I've TOTALLY done that to someone before
13:19<JasonF>ssh'd into their home box to help them fix their linux
13:19<JasonF>'and go "oh, your sound is broken"
13:19<JasonF>do you have headphones on?
13:19<JasonF>do you hear anything?
13:19<JasonF>turn it up
13:19<JasonF>how about now?
13:19<JasonF>cat /dev/urandom | /dev/dsp
13:19<JasonF>how about now?
13:19<Nivex>/dev/dsp isn't executable
13:20<JasonF>Nivex: that totally worked
13:20<JasonF>you pipe it into the dev/dsp
13:21<JasonF>you don't execute it
13:21<JasonF>that too
13:21<JasonF>I dun it right when I dun it
13:22<Bdragon>I wonder what the chances of the output of /dev/dsp being a valid elf executable are...
13:22<HoopyCat>Bdragon: mmmm.... elfsong...
13:23<MrGeneral>I wonder how much listeners does this vps can handle >.<
13:23<Nivex>Bdragon: pretty slim, and even then it's not set +x by default
13:23<Bdragon>Plus I doubt if the loader even knows what to do with a character device....
13:24<Bdragon>heh, fseek
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13:37<[]>JasonF, if you do that you just get static :P
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13:38<schmichael>sshd is complaining /etc/ssh/moduli doesn't exist in my auth.log, how do i create it?
13:39<Nivex>funny, I was just looking at that problem this morning
13:39<Nivex>I never did find a good answer. I just copied it off my old colo box
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13:44<Bdragon>man ssh-keygen
13:44<Bdragon>read Moduli Generation section
13:46<Bdragon>moduli is kind of a site specific thing, but I don't know of many people that bother actually making their own...
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13:49<schmichael>Bdragon: interesting... i'm generating one now
13:50<Bdragon>it can take a long time...
13:50<schmichael>Bdragon: care to guess an order of magnitude?
13:50<schmichael>minutes? hours? days?
13:50<JasonF>eleventeen years
13:50<tjfontaine>eleventeen twenty
13:51<@caker>JasonF: how's the job?
13:51<JasonF>seems to be good
13:51<JasonF>today is day #1
13:51<JasonF>so I'm doing nothing
13:51<JasonF>but setting up accounts, etc
13:51<Bdragon>Uh, it used to take weeks..
13:51<tjfontaine>try and find out :)
13:52<Bdragon>Here's openbsd's :P
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13:52<HoopyCat>schmichael: mine has dates ranging from dec 10, 2003 through dec 13, and contains 'bout 180 of various sizes.
13:53<Bdragon>looks like openbsd's has some from 2004 and some from 2006
13:53<HoopyCat>yeah, the "but what if they aren't prime any more!" argument hasn't won over the time-budgeting department yet
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14:01<MrGeneral>JasonF, u got new job? gratz:D
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14:10<@caker> <-- monkey death wish
14:11<@mikegrb>I'd so do that if I was a monkey
14:12<pbryan>caker: Holy cow. That's one stoopid monkey.
14:12<tjfontaine>hell ya
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14:14<@mikegrb>nah that is an arsehole of a monkey
14:14<@caker>the slapstick foley crack me up
14:15<tjfontaine>the teenage tigers were probably taunting him in the first place
14:15<tjfontaine>you know how kids are these days
14:15<HoopyCat>tigers: pwned
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14:19<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, btw, u can test the stream now :D
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14:31<MrRx7>anyone just experense a linode reboot in dallas?
14:31<anderiv>MrRx7: what host?
14:31<MrRx7>dallas 73, to be exact
14:31<hachi>not a reboot
14:31<hachi>it was a network glitch
14:32<MrRx7>ah well that works
14:32<hachi>at least for me, it was down for a couple minutes, then came back, but didn't reboot
14:32<hachi>I saw it on 72
14:32<emag>yeah, dallas65, too
14:32<hachi>maybe a cabinet switch glitch or something?
14:32<MrRx7>yeah, I just logged into lish and saw the restarting prompt
14:32<MrRx7>but the server is reporting serveral days of uptime, so network
14:32<tjfontaine>ok I'm not crazy :)
14:32<@tasaro>looked like a blip in level3
14:33<MrRx7>heh, level3 :-(
14:33<tjfontaine>I had an issue in the private network, so that seems pretty damn weird
14:33<SelfishMan>I have it too
14:33<SelfishMan>Happens every day or at least every other day
14:33<hachi>tasaro: thanks
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14:35<rjp>I had trouble on dallas74 for a short time, too
14:35<rjp>Seems OK now, though
14:36<MrRx7>I'm sure some dolt from lvl3 hit the wrong button
14:36<rjp>Push to test. <click> Release to detonate.
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14:36<scott>wha happoned?
14:36<MrRx7>good thing we didn't need a ticket opened, I know how level3 work tickets :D
14:37<SelfishMan>dallas71 had it too but dallas80 didn't
14:37<schmichael>fwiw, `ssh-keygen -G moduli-768.candidates -b 768 -M 127` took 468 seconds on a 2ghz desktop
14:37<Bdragon>tiamat# ssh-keygen -G moduli-2048.candidates -b 2048
14:37<Bdragon>Mon Jul 21 14:15:21 2008 Sieve next 67043328 plus 2047-bit
14:37<Bdragon>Mon Jul 21 14:23:14 2008 Sieved with 203277289 small primes in 473 seconds
14:37<Bdragon>Mon Jul 21 14:23:17 2008 Found 56885 candidates
14:38<SelfishMan>There it is again
14:38<Bdragon>31 megs of candidate material...
14:38<rjp>argh, spoke too soon... my ssh session to my linode went poof
14:38<SelfishMan>From what I can see, it isn't in level3, it's in TP
14:38<Bdragon>Of course, then you have to TEST the candidates...
14:38<tjfontaine>and the ping to my intra node is gone too :)
14:39<MrRx7>and its back
14:39<SelfishMan>My node on dallas80 can't ping my node on dallas71
14:40<path->maybe someone should have doubleflushed
14:40<SelfishMan>still not back
14:40<rjp>I can't reach my node on dallas74 either
14:40<Bdragon>heh, it's found two so far..
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14:40<jdlspeedy_>do we have a problem at dallas66?
14:40<MrRx7>they are dropping packets pretty good
14:40<MrRx7>about 15% or so
14:40*Bdragon tail follows the -T output file..
14:40<SelfishMan>unreachable on the private network too
14:40<MrRx7>all of the dallas DC is having network issues it appears
14:41<jdlspeedy_>as soon as i switched to dallas, then dallas having problems :-/
14:41<SelfishMan>so my node on dallas80 can't ping the public or private IP on my dallas71 node
14:41<MrRx7>I'm suprized you can even get to it
14:41<hachi>I just had mine go down again
14:41<jdlspeedy_>i thought i solved that when moving from atlanta
14:42<hachi>dallas 72
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14:42<SelfishMan>my dallas80 node is working great, no problems or loss
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14:42<MrRx7>73 is responding, but dropping packets like mad
14:42<SelfishMan>What does TP have to do with Linode's private network?
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14:42<MrRx7>the actual linode is not responding however
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14:43<MrRx7>heh, about time I turn off the cellphone and pager
14:43<tj-mib>I see the same on my dallas72 as well
14:43<path->weren't they supposed to install new hosts today?
14:43<MrRx7>Shouldn't effect the other linodes
14:43<tj-mib>that would be depressing
14:43<MrRx7>unless they borked the configs on the switches lol
14:43<tj-mib>all DC techs are notoriously annoying
14:43<Battousai>SelfishMan: well you see, if it's TP we're talking about, whether the cable is private lan or not doesn't matter when they yank it out
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14:44<SelfishMan>Battousai: So they are yanking out multiple cables on multiple switches?!?
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14:44<Battousai>SelfishMan: don't put it past them
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14:44<path->SelfishMan: probably just the power cable
14:44<MrRx7>sounds like a plan of perfection to me
14:44<tierra-cgi>I get 30% loss on one of my linodes in Dallas, and 80% loss on the other in Dallas
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14:45<SelfishMan>I don't but still irritating. I was in the middle of a sizeable rsync file transfer
14:45<tj-mib>tierra ya known
14:45<MrRx7>I bet its your fault :p
14:45<Battousai>well now you're back at the beginning ;)
14:45<Battousai>or ;(
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14:45<MrRx7>well, we can get internal to the planets network
14:46<MrRx7>my traces die at the dist layer it looks like
14:46<@caker>mmmm, 800mbit ddos
14:46<@caker>give us a few
14:46<SelfishMan>MrRx7: From what I see, it's the internal stuff that is broken
14:46<Battousai>not TP's fault this time
14:46<MrRx7>lol 800mb
14:46<Battousai>oh well
14:46<MrRx7>packet rate filtering ftwl
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14:46<cruxeternus>Hey, if they hadn't upgraded the uplink to gigabit fiber, it'd be totally hosed :)
14:47<SelfishMan>OK, but I really don't get how the private network can be down too. Unless the physical wires are the same for the public and private network
14:47<path->damn, can't blame it on some tech starting fires..
14:47<path->i'm guessing it's two vlans on one switch
14:47<Battousai>they didn't start the fire
14:47*SelfishMan blames path
14:47<Battousai>no they didn't light it but they tried to fight it
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14:47*cruxeternus sings along.
14:47<MrRx7>cables take some effort to make burn :p
14:47*path- puts the marshmellow and graham crackers away
14:47<cruxeternus>MrRx7: A triggering UPS explosion does the trick.
14:48<MrRx7>o0o, good idea
14:48<cruxeternus>ala TP Houston
14:48<MrRx7>you know, all of us pinging our varius linodes
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14:48<MrRx7>prob is not helping :x
14:48<cruxeternus>We're contributing to the DDoS :)
14:48<MrRx7>luckly icmp packets are small :p
14:48<SelfishMan>I've had UPSs explode and it wasn't because of sabotage. 4am after working 80 hours straight with no break. My nerves were shot, loud explosion and I was literally found under the bench hiding.
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14:49<cruxeternus>SelfishMan: ouch.. bad timing :(
14:49<MrRx7>Ive seen the aftermath of a explosion
14:49<MrRx7>not pretty, depending on the size
14:49<kevin355>Is something going on with the Linode's in Texas. Just logged in and it was really slow.
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14:49*SelfishMan is curious about the target of the DDoS
14:49<path->i plugged an old ups in once and some capacitors or something blew
14:49<cruxeternus>kevin355: Network issues... action is being taken.
14:49<path->i about hit the ceiling
14:49<tierra-cgi>oh, hey tierra_, nice to see you've come back to join us
14:50<MrRx7>I still blame slefishman's transfer :p
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14:50<SelfishMan>MrRx7: What's your point?!? ;-P
14:50<tjfontaine_>stupid irssi, I'm going to change that pong limit
14:50<scorche|sh>tierra-cgi: dont fool yourself ;)
14:50<MrRx7>oh nothing, I'm innocent :-x
14:50<Battousai>tjfontaine_: guess you better get that nac server online quick ;)
14:50<rjp>before my brother-in-law moved stateside, i visited him in england - for amusement one day, he took a dead PSU, switched the voltage selector to 120V, and plugged it into to 240V... *BOOM*
14:51<kevin355>Cool Thanks.
14:51<SelfishMan>teh interwebs r br0ked
14:51<tjfontaine_>battousai ya but that doesn't help *me*
14:51<SelfishMan>I can't download my porn!
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14:51<Battousai>but it helps me!
14:51*scorche|sh isnt doing too bad on dallas 68...have stayed in ssh and getting around 10% loss-ish
14:51<MrRx7>I've bridged the contacts of a old sub battary fully charged before
14:51<MrRx7>that was pretty
14:51<SelfishMan>Crap. There is another incriminating line for the IRC logs
14:51<tjfontaine_>I'm surprised resistance hasn't disappeared yet
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14:51<path->rjp, i plugged what i thought was an autosensing power supply into 240
14:52<MrRx7>heh, my linode is 100% loss
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14:52<MrRx7>my luck someone on my host is prob the target
14:52<scorche|sh>rjp: they use 230V FYI
14:52<rjp>close enough
14:52<SelfishMan>MrRx7: There is a guy trying to simulate ball lightning with a massive array of sub batteries by shorting them out
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14:53<MrRx7>heh, he might susceed
14:53<MrRx7>was quite the light show
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14:54<MrRx7>my linode just started responding again
14:55<cruxeternus>apparently so did a bunch of others :)
14:55<emag>and again with the network
14:55<MrRx7>as the influx of traffic spawns another ddos
14:55<cruxeternus>Status: Network issues in Dallas. Action is being taken, and the beatings will continue until throughput improves.
14:55<rjp>we'll see how many minutes this lasts...
14:55<pointer>nagios is not happy
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14:55*SelfishMan restarts his 2GB file transfer
14:55<scorche|sh>IRC is such a great status indicator...
14:55*tasaro waits for the "Can I migrate to Atlanta" tickets. . .
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14:56<tjfontaine_>that'll just make it happen there
14:56<path->people still use atlanta??
14:56<cruxeternus>Didn't Atlanta get hit with the last DDoS?
14:56*cruxeternus pats Newark. :)
14:56<@tasaro>like newark is any less of a target
14:56<MrRx7>yay nagios alerts
14:56<hachi>nagios reports I'm back up again
14:56*SelfishMan targets newark
14:57<hachi>do we have an all-clear yet?
14:57<cruxeternus>tasaro: I was trying to help you even out hosts :P
14:57<@linbot>cruxeternus: Linode360 - 28, Linode540 - 31, Linode720 - 25, Linode1080 - 20, Linode1440 - 13, Linode2880 - 7
14:57<@linbot>cruxeternus: Newark360 - 28, Newark540 - 23, Newark720 - 15, Newark1080 - 15, Newark1440 - 10, Newark2880 - 5
14:57<@linbot>SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 7, Dallas720 - 9, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
14:57*tasaro counts SMS messages... $0.20, $0.40, $0.60 ...
14:58*BubbleWrap counts tasaros... 1
14:58<path->no sms plan?
14:58<cruxeternus>every trouble ticket costs you $0.20??
14:58<hachi>you don't have an unlimited SMS plan?
14:58<SelfishMan>Unlimited SMS messages are sweet
14:58<rjp>my tracfone provides free incoming SMS
14:58<SelfishMan>or something
14:58<pointer>tasaro: it has gotten so bad, I had to disable sms alerts...was going over my 200 msgs plan with the DoS attacks
14:58<path->i have more sms messages on my work phone than phone calls
14:58<BubbleWrap>rjp: they do??? o.0
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14:58*cruxeternus will have to issue compound trouble tickets :/
14:58<cruxeternus>woot, the lolcatbible is back up
14:58<rjp>only certain tracfone models get it (like the barebones nokia 2200? that I have)
14:59*SelfishMan received 14 alerts during the TP issue
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14:59*arachnid wonders what to call his s3 FUSE filesystem, given that 's3fs' is already taken
14:59<BubbleWrap>so a datacenter just lost internets?
14:59*SelfishMan opens ticket asking if there is a problem in Dallas
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14:59<cruxeternus>BubbleWrap: nah, just experienced higher than normal traffic for a short period
14:59*HoopyCat opens a ticket asking if SelfishMan has opened a ticket
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15:00<SelfishMan>cruxeternus: Yeah...that's one way to put
15:00<cruxeternus>or, better yet...
15:00<cruxeternus>... s3x
15:00<BubbleWrap>cruxeternus: ah, that might explain a netsplit on another network?
15:00<hachi>cruxeternus: wait... dallas is under DDoS ?
15:00<cruxeternus>hachi: It was... appears to have been null-routed, and is now calming down.
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15:00<cruxeternus>arachnid: s3x is my vote. Go for it!
15:00<HoopyCat>higher than normal traffic, eh? must mean S3 is back up
15:00<SelfishMan>Dammit...time to move my botnet around a bit... :P
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15:01<mthaddon>are there any known issues at the moment? my linode seems down
15:01<MrRx7>need to hire a new team of blackcats
15:01<cruxeternus>mthaddon: Dallas just went through a network super-utilization
15:01<hachi>are these cats wearing hats?
15:01*tasaro waves his hand in a jedi-like fashion. . . "There are no known issues"
15:01<cruxeternus>but it should be getting better?
15:01<MrRx7>cats always wear hats
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15:01<SelfishMan>blackcats wearing white hats?
15:01<BubbleWrap>welps, bbl
15:02<mthaddon>cruxeternus, yeah, does seem to be better now
15:02<hachi>are the targets of the DDoS being notified? I'm asking purely because I would want to be told if I was the target of something
15:02<cruxeternus>mthaddon: I think they've null-routed the culprit, so it should go to normal shortly.
15:02<@caker>hachi: always
15:03*MrRx7 checks emails lol
15:03<cruxeternus>They're usually notified with a Cancellation E-mail :P
15:03<tjfontaine>and a smack in the face
15:03*SelfishMan is now checking his email
15:03<HoopyCat>by "notification," of course, he means "if your linode is still up, you're not the problem" :-)
15:03<cruxeternus>tjfontaine: Hmm... do you pay extra for that service?
15:03<tjfontaine>cruxeternus: I'm the long arm of the Linode law, I have lots of frequent flyer miles
15:03<path->anyone still can't reach their linode?
15:03*path- looks around suspiciously
15:04<tjfontaine>cruxeternus: it's a service I provide out of the goodness of my heart
15:04<tjfontaine>like clamd scanning
15:04<hachi>cruxeternus: I certainly hope that's not actually true, it would mean that any person who wants a node in linode shut down just has to ddos it
15:04<cruxeternus>tjfontaine: eeep... and you're in driving distance from me
15:04<tjfontaine>cruxeternus: don't you forget it
15:04<hachi>then the target will get reprimanded for something they aren't even responsible for
15:05<cruxeternus>hachi: I'm sure there are exceptions in certain cases... but how else would you deal with it?
15:05<cruxeternus>Someone who got DDoS'd is likely to get it again. :/
15:05<MrRx7>alright lets try this again, the last 3 times I have tried to SSH after a DDOS... we get re-ddos'd
15:05<hachi>let's say it's a website about puppies and kittens and flowers
15:05<cruxeternus>all today? lol
15:06<cruxeternus>hachi: Then you offended the world's botnet-wielding puppy/kitty-killing population :/
15:06<cruxeternus>And you must die.
15:06<tierra>hachi: you'll usually get a few warnings first, and if it continues, you'll know you're being cut off before you are
15:06<SelfishMan>Are these nekkid puppies and kittens and flowers? Because that could be a problem
15:06<HoopyCat>say a site about killing puppies, making bonsai kittens, and bees brutally pollinating young, defenseless flowers
15:06<hachi>SelfishMan: do you dress your cats in clothes?
15:06<BubbleWrap>is HE gay or something?
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15:07<BubbleWrap>my BNC keeps pinging and i think ipv6 is to blame..
15:07<jdlspeedy_>caker, tasaro: what was wrong with dallas?
15:07<cruxeternus>BubbleWrap: Ambiguous pronounc error.
15:07<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: OK. That works for me...
15:07<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: it prefers the word "jovial"
15:07<@caker>jdlspeedy_: massive packet flood
15:07<tjfontaine>jdlspeedy_: ddos
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15:07<BubbleWrap>cruxeternus: english pl0x
15:07<cruxeternus>14:46 <@caker> mmmm, 800mbit ddos
15:07<cruxeternus>14:46 <@caker> give us a few
15:07<jdlspeedy_>o ok
15:07<hachi>BubbleWrap: hey, you've got ipv6 in a linode? is it 6to4 or something else? :)
15:08<BubbleWrap>hachi: dont ask me..i got a ipv6 tunnel from hurricane electric with a /64 block
15:08<BubbleWrap>thats all i know >.<
15:08<HoopyCat>hachi: linode dallas <-> hurricane electric dallas is <1ms :-)
15:08<JasonF>MrGeneral: yeah, i work for now
15:08<MrGeneral>JasonF, oh man gratz dude :), keep working hard and grow up there man.
15:09<hachi>can I get more information on this somewhere? I've got my box in dallas
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15:09<HoopyCat>hachi: (or is it .com?)
15:09<hachi>roger roger, got it
15:09<hachi>thanks for the starting point :)
15:09<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, u can test me shoutcast now hoopy:>
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15:09<BubbleWrap>hachi: dont use tunnelbroker, i blame them for my massive pings
15:09<BubbleWrap>well, mayb its ubuntu, iunno
15:10<SelfishMan>massive pings?
15:10<path->maybe it's bnc!
15:10<BubbleWrap>i ping at least once per hour, its retarded
15:10<SelfishMan>ping what? and how many pings per hour are you talking?
15:10<BubbleWrap>path-: when i had version 1.1 and ipv4 it worked fine i got 3+days uptime
15:10<BubbleWrap>1-3 pings per hour
15:10<cruxeternus>BubbleWrap: You sure your client/proxy doesn't have a Keep-Alive function on a once-per-hour timer?
15:11<SelfishMan>1-3 pings per hour is considered massive? Seriously? Um...I'm screwed then with my five pings every two minutes
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15:11<hachi> .... ExampleSession?
15:11<hachi>they didn't even change the variable names in their CMS?
15:12<HoopyCat>i haven't lost connection to OFTC via IPv6 due to network-related problems in recent memory. last three disconnects were due to kernel upgrade, tjfontaine, and DDoS attack in dallas.
15:12<hachi>hah, blaming tjfontaine
15:12<cruxeternus>tjfontaine aka "peer"
15:12<SelfishMan>BubbleWrap: You have a /64 from HE but don't use tunnelbroker? It's the same service!
15:12<BubbleWrap>SelfishMan: ?
15:12<BubbleWrap>i said dont use it
15:13<BubbleWrap>not i dont use it
15:13<SelfishMan>[13:09] BubbleWrap: hachi: dont use tunnelbroker, i blame them for my massive pings
15:13<BubbleWrap>i told him to not get it
15:13<SelfishMan>but you have a /64 from HE?
15:13<BubbleWrap>use sixxs >.<
15:13<BubbleWrap>SelfishMan: yes
15:13<HoopyCat>here -> sixxs -> he -> bluemoon and back is ~100ms, which is pretty darned good in my book
15:13<BubbleWrap>SelfishMan: and imma delete it and get sixxs soon
15:14<hachi>well, I should do it anyways
15:14<SelfishMan>OK. Was trying to figure out what you were saying. I get it now.
15:14<Battousai>man i get like 10ms to he-tb-nyc from my house
15:14<hachi>I'd like to request a /48 and get my existing stuff in london put onto a block that I own
15:15<BubbleWrap>welps, i gtg.
15:15<JasonF>MrGeneral: I think I'm already grown, lol
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15:16<MrGeneral>JasonF, yeah, but I mean..keep doing a good job :)
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15:16<JasonF>I enjoy the /32 I get with linode
15:17<JasonF>it's a great netblock
15:17<tjfontaine>32 ftw
15:17*SelfishMan starts DDoS against
15:17<HoopyCat>sixxs is fine, once you realize you can pay a homeless guy $5 for the DNA sample and avoid having your DNA in whois
15:17<HoopyCat>and when it isn't broken
15:17<SelfishMan>For the record, that was a joke. Please don't hurt me
15:18<cruxeternus>SelfishMan: tjfontaine is already on a plane to your location
15:18*tjfontaine flys
15:18<hachi>man, your arms must be tired
15:18<tjfontaine>you know it
15:19*path- used some cat guy in NY for his sixxs account name
15:19<HoopyCat>tjfontaine's ass-kicking express operates like mercy flight, except without the mercy
15:20<tjfontaine>here goes no mercy</dr horrible>
15:20<hachi>tjfontaine == chuck norris?
15:21<hachi>the roundhouse kickings will continue till morale improves
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15:23*scorche|sh nullroutes caker
15:26<Bdragon>err, wrong channel...
15:27<hachi>what about my mother?
15:27<MrGeneral>JasonF, i dont understand anything of netblocks
15:27<MrGeneral>some people want 31 or 32 and that
15:27<MrGeneral>i dont understand why , for me, an IP is an IP, period xD
15:28<schmichael>Bdragon: would you have a link to somewhere that describes why this moduli file is useful?
15:28<schmichael>right now its just keeping my 2 cores busy
15:28<schmichael>and seems like an awful lot of work to get rid of a silly auth.log Warning
15:28<arachnid>cruxeternus: Why s3x?
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15:29<cruxeternus>I dunno... as a project name, it'd probably get a lot of attention :/
15:29<arachnid>Why's that?
15:29<arachnid>Oh, right. :P
15:30<Bdragon>schmichael: It has to do with factorization...
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15:32<hachi>I love the idea of a /31, some people are like "Does NOT COMPUTE", and others are perfectly fine with it
15:32<Bdragon>tiamat# ssh-keygen -T moduli-2048 -f ./moduli-2048.candidates
15:32<Bdragon>Mon Jul 21 15:00:48 2008 Found 58 safe primes of 47410 candidates in 1616 seconds
15:32*Bdragon notes his clock is off by an hour...
15:33<hachi>more than an hour
15:33<hachi>it's 33 minutes past the hour right now
15:33<Bdragon>Well, it finished a while back
15:33<Bdragon>it's 14:33 local time
15:33<hachi>it's 12:33
15:34<cruxeternus>no, it's 15:33! You wanna fight about it??
15:34<hachi>cruxeternus: free stress test? :D
15:34<Bdragon>I did say LOCAL. :P
15:34<hachi>I know you did
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15:51<MrGeneral>caker, u there sir?
15:51<tjfontaine>why for you bother teh gods
15:52<MrGeneral>i see some lag spikes on the connection thats why <.<
15:58<@caker>MrGeneral: you sure the problem isn't along the route?
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15:58<@caker>MrGeneral: you did perform a traceroute/mtr, right?
15:58*SelfishMan chuckles quietly
15:59<MrGeneral>caker, yes sir
15:59<MrGeneral>just a few lag spikes
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15:59<MrGeneral>caker, lemme make mtr
16:00<@caker>Random Poll: Any interest in a very fault-tolerant, NAS-backed, dynamically floating-based-on-load VM stack (priced accordingly)?
16:01<SelfishMan>caker: Yes. And them some.
16:02<@caker>seriously? I'd be expensive
16:02<MrGeneral>making mtr to <.
16:02<tjfontaine>about 10x?
16:02<SelfishMan>Depends on how expensive but yes.
16:02<@linbot>New news from forums: VoIP on a linode? in General Discussion <>
16:03<@caker>I'll have to fiddle with the numbers, but I'm thinking somewhere in the 4-8x range
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16:04<charlie>caker: $4-8 dollars?
16:04<tjfontaine>I think in that range it'd be very acceptable
16:04<SelfishMan>My only issue is with network problems like today in Dallas.
16:04<andymoreland>I'm attempting to add an SPF record to my domain's DNS zone, it should be a TXT record I believe. The wizard to generate the entry said to paste ' IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ~all"' into my zone file, how would this translate into the DNS manager?
16:05<SelfishMan>create a text record with no hostname and enter the data "v=spf1 a mx ~all" (with quotes)
16:05<andymoreland>Thank you
16:05<tierra>not any interest here
16:05<charlie>SelfishMan: there were net problems in dallas today?
16:06<charlie>how bad?
16:06<SelfishMan>charlie: Yes, 800Mbit DDoS. It's been dealt with
16:06<tjfontaine>handled in mins
16:06<SelfishMan>about 5 minutes of wtf
16:07<charlie>my server's in newark and i'm happy with it
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16:07<SelfishMan>Yeah, I have one there too
16:07<charlie>thought i've found a VPS provider where i can get like 4x the amount of resources for the same price as my current server XO
16:08<charlie>no community though
16:08<tjfontaine>linode > *
16:08<SelfishMan>I'm waiting for Linode to drop a rack or two into WA or OR
16:08<BubbleWrap>15:16 < JasonF> I enjoy the /32 I get with linode
16:08<andymoreland>SelfishMan: If that happened, I'd pee my pants
16:08<BubbleWrap>HWO DO YOU AHVE A /32 BLOCK?!?!?!
16:08<cruxeternus>charlie: it's one thing to advertise certain resources... it's another to actually deliver it :)
16:08<anderiv>...or Minneapolis. (one can always hope)
16:09<SelfishMan>BubbleWrap: a /32 is a single IP
16:09<Nivex>shh, don't tell BubbleWrap I have one too :)
16:09<HoopyCat>andymoreland: down the hall, second door on the left
16:09<charlie>anderiv: ooh yeah i'd like that, low latency from a few miles away :P
16:09<Karrde>I like my /33
16:09<SelfishMan>I have two /31s
16:09<andymoreland>HoopyCat: It's alright, I've got a bag in my pants.
16:09<HoopyCat>andymoreland: that's what she said
16:09<charlie>caker: host a few racks of servers at Visi, they're a nice datacenter and they give free IPs :P
16:09<SelfishMan>and a /21 but Linode won't let me use that
16:09<BubbleWrap>15:17 < HoopyCat> sixxs is fine, once you realize you can pay a homeless guy $5 for the DNA sample and avoid having your DNA in whois
16:09*BubbleWrap headdesk
16:10<charlie>cruxeternus: why wouldn't they deliver the resources? lol
16:10<Karrde>your bullshit detector needs repair
16:10*SelfishMan wonders why BubbleWrap keeps bringing up the past
16:10*BubbleWrap because he was afk
16:10<cruxeternus>oversubscribed machinery
16:10<Karrde>and now you're older still
16:10*BubbleWrap just reading it now
16:10<charlie>cruxeternus: well, i've got two or three friends who host VPSs at their place, and they're happy with the uptime and reliability :P
16:10*BubbleWrap pokes SelfishMan :o
16:10<andymoreland>Anywho, thanks for helping me :-)
16:11<cruxeternus>Linodes are famously resource-available
16:11<HoopyCat>laters, andymoreland :-)
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16:11<cruxeternus>charlie: at 1/4th the price, you say?
16:11<charlie>cruxeternus: what?
16:11<cruxeternus>16:07 < charlie> thought i've found a VPS provider where i can get like 4x the amount of resources for the same price as my current server XO
16:11<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: you dont like sixx because they dont offer whois protection?
16:12<SelfishMan>1/4 price != 4x resources
16:12<charlie>cruxeternus: 2GB of memory, 120GB disk space, 3000GB transfer for $54/month
16:12<cruxeternus>ok, my mistake
16:12<cruxeternus>charlie: care to share the URL?
16:12<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: naw, i've had a lot of availability issues with my tunnel from them
16:12<arachnid>I suspect HoopyCat is referring to how Sixxs are about getting personal details (and verifying them) for a tunnel
16:12<SelfishMan>charlie: Guaranteed memory? Or "up to"
16:12<BubbleWrap>charlie: where? o.0
16:13<HoopyCat>arachnid: they're somewhat more paranoid than tunnelbroker, yes :-)
16:13*arachnid got a sixxs tunnel in the same city, and a HE one in a neighbouring country, and the HE one turned out to be faster
16:13<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: erm..okies *has no clue what that means*
16:13<charlie>SelfishMan: "Guaranteed RAM"
16:13<arachnid>In fact, the RTT from home to my server via IPv6 is less than the RTT via IPv4. :)
16:13<charlie>tjfontaine: they've got Xen hosts available also, i talked to sales
16:13<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: it goes down a lot and support has started ignoring me.
16:13<SelfishMan>Looking at their plans I fail to see how it is a better price
16:13<cruxeternus>charlie: you're way off on your numbers
16:14<SelfishMan>In fact, looking at just the RAM they are a few dollars more
16:14<cruxeternus>$54 only gets you 1GB/60GB/1500GB
16:14<arachnid>charlie: Wow, that's not how I'd like _my_ host to treat existing customers.
16:14<BubbleWrap>i remember looking at them
16:15<BubbleWrap>i was gunna go with them but i picked linode for some reason
16:15<arachnid>Linode hands out upgrades to everyone. :)
16:15<HoopyCat>"All prices exclude VAT (at 17.5%) unless otherwise stated."
16:15<BubbleWrap>i think its because they dont allow IRC?
16:15<charlie>arachnid: existing customers can get the deal by paying three months in advance
16:15<arachnid>"This code can not be used to upgrade existing servers"
16:15<Bdragon>You may terminate the service at any time on giving not less than 10 days written notice before your billing is due by emailing
16:15<Bdragon>Some new definition of "written notice?"
16:16<HoopyCat>no money-back guarantee for unmanaged VPS...
16:16<charlie>arachnid: its for new servers, yeah
16:16<cruxeternus>ewww gross... Virtuozzo
16:16<arachnid>I love how some places charge monthly fees for "control panels"
16:16<arachnid>$20/month for them to install something on your server?
16:16<charlie>cruxeternus: they have Xen hosts also
16:16<SelfishMan>Virtuozzo? The master of crappy IO?
16:17<charlie>SelfishMan: ^
16:17<Bdragon>"By adding your credit card to the billing system you authorise the company to take reasonable charges for the contact period as well as any extra charges such as overage fees that you may incur, with proper notification given for any charges beyond the normal contract period renewal cost."
16:17<charlie>arachnid: the $70/month plan comes with a free control panel, otherwise i would just use webmin if i really didn't know how to use the CLI
16:18<BubbleWrap>this is why i didnt use them
16:18<arachnid>charlie: What I'm criticising is charging a (steep!) monthly fee for something that costs them absolutely nothing in resources and basically nothing in manpower
16:18<BubbleWrap>they dont allow IRC or anything
16:18<HoopyCat>no IRC, no game servers, no p2p, and they're located in the UK.
16:18<arachnid>Even if they upgrade it for you, there's no way that's worth $20/month
16:18<cruxeternus>These guys have also been around for ~5 months. :/
16:18<BubbleWrap>its a great deal, but they dont let you do anything, so whats the point.
16:19*SelfishMan waits for Linode to put a rack in WA/OR & UK
16:19<arachnid>'course, #linode is probably not the best place to get impartial advice on another host. We like Linode, or we wouldn't be here. :P
16:19<charlie>HoopyCat: they have servers in USA
16:19<BubbleWrap><3 Linode
16:20<SelfishMan>I use several providers right now for VPS, dedicated and colo. But I've dealt with CheapVPS and they scared me.
16:20<charlie>i like linode also, and all the things that come with it, i just find some plans are lacking and expensive
16:21<charlie>well not expensive
16:21<Bdragon>That's because they aren't shit.
16:21<charlie>but too expensive for the specs
16:21<tjfontaine>they always come back :)
16:21<BubbleWrap>charlie: linode kinda seems expensive imo. but they arn't like "zOMFG no IRC u bich!!"
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16:21<Nivex>my Linode 360 costs me the same per month as what my friend was charging me to keep a machine at his ISP
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16:21<Nivex>in the back office of the ISP
16:21<Nivex>so I now have better bandwidth and better CPU
16:22<Nivex>slight hit on the RAM and disk, but I haven't noticed
16:22<cruxeternus>Nivex: and probably better support :P
16:22<SelfishMan>My biggest issue with Linode is that I want to be in all four DCs and would like a pacific-northwest one and/or international. But I'm sure caker is already building my host ;-P
16:22*cruxeternus disses Nivex's friend.
16:22<tjfontaine>not to mention free reloads of any os you like
16:22<tjfontaine>and full control over disk images
16:22<BubbleWrap>shouldnt your friend give you a free VPS? ;P
16:22<Nivex>cruxeternus: yeah. that too. I pointed out something about the DNS vulnerability to him and he went nuclear on me
16:22<Bdragon>Oh, I haven't seen that iteration of the front page before..
16:22<tjfontaine>and one kickass control panel
16:23<SelfishMan>Anyone need a 360 in Dallas? I'm about to upgrade one to a 540
16:23<arachnid>I used to have a server hosted in one of NZ's peering exchanges. The bandwidth was good, but the SLA was "whenever the guy that owns the rack can be bothered driving in to town and getting access"
16:23<Nivex>BubbleWrap: I asked him about it, but he didn't budge.
16:23*HoopyCat considers trading linode futures
16:23<Nivex>The place I was at before was a much closer friend and he let me colo for free
16:23<Nivex>I miss those days :)
16:23<BubbleWrap>Nivex: aw :{
16:24<Nivex>but honestly, the colo is in OH and I'm in NC. Getting friends and fam to lay hands on the hardware in my stead was just getting old
16:24<BubbleWrap>Nivex: did you tell him how you get a better deal with linode? mayb he will offer more specs so you'll come back?
16:24<Nivex>now the hardware is linode's problem :)
16:24<arachnid>Wow, cheapvps isn't just "no IRC servers", they're "- IRC access is forbidden"
16:24<HoopyCat>i'll trade you 1500 november pork bellies for 560 october fremont linode 360's
16:24<Nivex>BubbleWrap: no, I just called to tell him I'm leaving and he was like "ok."
16:24<arachnid>You also may not "use any peer to peer programs."
16:25<arachnid>HoopyCat: I think a linode 360 is worth more than 3 porkbellies. :P
16:25<BubbleWrap>arachnid: exactly
16:25<BubbleWrap>Nivex: =o
16:25<BubbleWrap>hm guys
16:25<HoopyCat>arachnid: it's fremont, you're just going to short 'em anyway.
16:25<tjfontaine>Nivex: where did you colo?
16:26<BubbleWrap>if i get another ipv6 tunnel and put sexi ubuntu on my home PC, i should be able to get rDNS, right?
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16:26<charlie>:O linbot!
16:26<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: depends on your tunnel broker
16:26<Nivex>tjfontaine: the back of the office of a friend's ISP
16:26<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: explain
16:26<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: i also ahve a dynamic IP
16:26<tjfontaine>which? ;)
16:27<arachnid>BubbleWrap: With HE, yes. With sixxs, yes but they'll abduct your firstborn and hold him/her hostage if you use 'vanity rdns'
16:27<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: it depends on which particular IPv6 tunnel broker you're using and how you're configured.
16:27<BubbleWrap>vanity rDNS?
16:27<Bdragon>vanity rDNS?
16:27<BubbleWrap>they dont like teh IRCz?
16:28<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap,Bdragon:, for instance
16:28<Bdragon>If you have a corresponding A record, what's the difference?
16:28<SelfishMan>No linbot? Now I can't play!
16:28<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: you'll live another day
16:28<HoopyCat>Bdragon: that is exactly the problem i have with them having a problem with it
16:28<charlie>SelfishMan: whine to caker about it!
16:28<arachnid>Bdragon: To me, no difference. I think they're kind of lame, but feh, if you really want to.
16:28<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: so your telling me sixx's wont let you set AAAA records for your domains if you want to use them as vanity hosts?
16:28<arachnid>Sixxs seem to have this big thing about it, though
16:28<HoopyCat>Bdragon: on the one hand, it's lame. on the other hand, so are those spinny wheel things.
16:28<Bdragon>I mean, do they have a retired schoolteacher checking them all?
16:28<arachnid>BubbleWrap: No, you can set AAAA records - they can't control that
16:29<BubbleWrap>arachnid: then i dont understand
16:29<arachnid>But if you set an rdns record for a vanity domain, and they notice, they'll delete your tunnel
16:29<tjfontaine>forward != reverse
16:29<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: they'll frown upon you if you set PTRs to something other than a legitimate-looking hostname
16:29<hachi>whirling DNS
16:29<tjfontaine>(which is why oftc doesn't let you set your own)
16:29*arachnid ponders setting up a fast flux network entirely in one IPv6 /64
16:29<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: ill get deleted for doing it
16:29<arachnid>Kind of like a shell game with only a single host. ;)
16:30<SelfishMan>arachnid: I will have you listed as a fast flux network in ten minutes max
16:30<arachnid>I have no idea why anyone would want to do that.
16:30<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: it depends on what sort of mood whoever catches you doing it is in
16:30<arachnid>SelfishMan: You realise that it's all kind of pointless if every IP used routes to the same machine? :P
16:30<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: where did you here this from?
16:30<avongauss>Last I knew, SixXS does not allow IRC servers through their tunnels.
16:30<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: the terms and conditions i read when i signed up for sixxs :-)
16:30<hachi>I've had people trying to scan my /64 for nodes to ssh into already
16:30<arachnid>avongauss: They do, but they reserve the right to be bastards about it.
16:30<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: my friend uses them and he has over 200 bvhosts set up for at least a few months now.
16:30<hachi>they're probably still searching for real hosts in that number space
16:30<arachnid>hachi: O_o. Isn't that a bit futile?
16:30<SelfishMan>arachnid: Yep, but my stuff tends to detect any and all things fast flux anyway. Too bad it isn't very dominant
16:31<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: probably noone has complained yet
16:31<arachnid>Unless you use ::1 or ::2 etc, which I guess many do
16:31<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: complained?
16:31<hachi>for my router, sure
16:31<hachi>everything else is way off in the number space
16:31<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: so some asshole reports you to them and thats how you get spotted?
16:31<HoopyCat>BubbleWrap: "waa, waa, this guy is using vanity reverse DNS, do something" ->
16:31<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: dum nubs >.<
16:31<arachnid>Thanks to radvd, I'm guessing. :)
16:32<hachi>slightly modified rules in radvd
16:32<Nivex>just make sure it's got a valid forward and then lambaste them :)
16:32<tjfontaine>rdns shouldn't be abused,
16:32<tjfontaine>looking cool on irc is not a reason to set retarded rdns
16:32<arachnid>I guess that's one significant anti-abuse feature of IPv6. Filter external packets to the broadcast address, and even finding hosts becomes next to impossible.
16:32<hachi>I don't like exposing my MAC addresses directly to the world, so I have a +c added to all of them :)
16:32<arachnid>hachi: fair enough. I didn't know radvd could do that.
16:33<arachnid>tjfontaine: Yes, it's stupid, but why should they care?
16:33<Bdragon>Well, I assume they don't want to carry the traffic of the kind of people who wave their e-peens around in irc all day...
16:34<tjfontaine>arachnid: goes back to the roots of the internet I suppose, groups of peopele exerting control and guidelines
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16:34<avongauss>arachnid: (Section: Other IRC Networks)
16:35<arachnid>tjfontaine: See, the "roots of the internet" is mostly about decentralised management, not people asserting arbitrary rules based on what's nice"
16:35<tjfontaine>it's not about decentralized at all :)
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16:35<arachnid>tjfontaine: It's as decentralised as it can be and still work properly. :)
16:36<tjfontaine>who handled the first tld allocations etc etc
16:36<HoopyCat>we did, we did
16:36<arachnid>avongauss: The section about rdns is up the top, independent of network
16:37<BubbleWrap>HoopyCat: i dont see anything saying you cant use sixx for vanity hosts
16:38*SelfishMan asserts arbitrary rules on arachnid
16:38<arachnid>BubbleWrap: Top of the page avongauss linked to
16:38<BubbleWrap>thats all i see.
16:39<arachnid>Yup, top of that page, in the highlighted box.
16:39<HoopyCat>"Using IPv6 for having 'vhosts' thus is not allowed and accounts doing so will be terminated without questions or notification. Providing shells to other individuals is also not allowed."
16:39<BubbleWrap>i dont see this >.>
16:39<arachnid>HoopyCat just quoted it
16:39<BubbleWrap>which page?
16:39<arachnid>just do a search or something
16:39<Battousai>it's always in the last place you look
16:39<tjfontaine>BubbleWrap: search.
16:39<arachnid>You've now got the _Exact_text_
16:40<tjfontaine>what is that site only accessible on ipv6? :)
16:40<tjfontaine>it refuses to load for me
16:40<avongauss>should work for IPv4
16:40<cruxeternus>What is ipv6 good for besides vhosts? :P
16:40*avongauss is confused why tjfontaine doesn't have IPv6 connectivity.
16:41<tjfontaine>not until I have native :)
16:41<HoopyCat>cruxeternus: training for when native IPv6 is available to all
16:42<Battousai>also, IP addresses that say stuff
16:42<arachnid>cruxeternus: Helping to be the solution to the chicken-and-egg problem
16:42<Battousai>like dead:beef:c0f:fee
16:42<arachnid>Also, soon, IPv6 porn!
16:42*HoopyCat waves from 2001:470:1f0f:33::dead:beef
16:42<arachnid>Battousai: Sounds disgusting.
16:43*Nivex fails at ipv6 addressing
16:43<Battousai>:'s are twice as good as .'s anyway
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16:43<Nivex>on that note, I'm going home
16:43<HoopyCat>saving that one for a .poop gTLD server
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16:44<tjfontaine>I'd rather she was mute
16:45<HoopyCat>as would all of the non-hearing-impared people who thought the deaf special-interest dorm would be a quiet place to study
16:45<tjfontaine>er still laughing anyway
16:47<HoopyCat> <--- i'm not making that up
16:48*Bdragon just got HoopyCat's "spinny wheel things" comment...
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16:58<Bdragon>Heh, I wonder how long this is gonna run...
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17:00<Bdragon>been having a trickle of spam with from set to "World Pharmacy -{3 hex digits}" and subject set to "Sale on all items.. viagra for $1" all day..
17:00<HoopyCat>ooh, do they take paypal?
17:01<Bdragon>98 messages so far...
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17:04<linbot>cruxeternus: *click*
17:04<linbot>path-: Yes!
17:05-!-mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker
17:06<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
17:06<SelfishMan>tee hee hee
17:06<@linbot>Toba_: *click*
17:06<Toba_>:D :D
17:06<@linbot>Toba_: *click*
17:07-!-Toba_ was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!]
17:07<SelfishMan>So this is a major shot in the dark
17:07*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
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17:07<Toba_>oh snap
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17:07<SelfishMan>but does anyone know the pinout's on a Dell GX280 front panel connector?
17:07<SelfishMan>I'm trying to avoid probing all 40 pins just to find the HDD LED
17:07<cruxeternus>If Google doesn't know, then I certainly don't :P
17:08<SelfishMan>I was hoping someone in here has actually dealt with it
17:08<bliblok>Are you sure you're not looking at an IDE cable?
17:08<SelfishMan>Trust me, it isn't an IDE cable.
17:09<bliblok>Just look at the other end of it, and see where the LED is connected.
17:09<SelfishMan>Not that easy. Don't have the other end. Even then, it isn't a straight connection
17:10<SelfishMan>sorry, I guess it is only 34 pins
17:11<bliblok>Floppy cable then?
17:11<SelfishMan>No. It isn't the floppy cable either. Trust me, it is the front panel connector.
17:13<Bdragon>As in something that connects the front panel to another board?
17:13<cruxeternus>We're so intent on having you connect it to some kind of storage device.
17:13<booja>check for the gx280 service manual
17:13<SelfishMan>Dell likes to use proprietary connectors for their front panel indicators, power button and USB ports
17:13<booja>it may tell you the pinouts
17:14<SelfishMan>service manual has nothing, already looked. It just says "This is the front panel connector (FRONT_PANEL)
17:14<SelfishMan>Yeah, I know
17:14<booja>I'll hve a look when I get to work
17:14<booja>we have a bunch of crap there
17:15<booja>speaking of which, time to catch my train
17:15<SelfishMan>I used to be a tech for them because the money was good but it got old real quick
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17:15<warewolf>honk, I'm back.
17:15<warewolf>anyone here use asterisk on their linode?
17:16<anderiv>warewolf: not currently, but I have in the past.
17:17<warewolf>I was wondering how bad the UML time slicing stuff plays hell with it
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17:17<warewolf> # hm, 1khz clock required, and isn't available.
17:18<anderiv>warewolf: I never had issues, though I was just really playing around. I was using teliax for terminiation/origination and an IAX softphone.
17:18<Bdragon>I think people have used ztdummy before..
17:19<Bdragon>As far as I remember, most stuff other than conferencing works even with a sucky timing source...
17:19<warewolf>I'm looking for a super cheap phone service; since a physical landline POTS is $40/mo. That's almost as much as my cell phone, and I use neither frequently.
17:20<@caker>1Khz clock is in the xen kernels, as is module support...
17:20<@caker>plenty of people are doing asterisk/zt-stuff on Xen Linodes
17:21<Bdragon>As I said, stuff OTHER THAN CONFERENCING works with a sucky timing source ;)
17:22<Bdragon>(uml just wasn't made for stuff like 1khz timers really..)
17:22<warewolf>a 100hz clock is generally enough for most everything on a "server"
17:23<warewolf>only desktops and insane people doing realtime video/audio really need anything higher ... and I suppose VOIP is realtime audio :)
17:24<Battousai>nohz is where the cool kids play
17:24<warewolf>don't get me started on my love/hate relationship of nohz.
17:25<Bdragon>ooh, interesting..
17:25<Noia>:( that hz
17:26<SelfishMan>Found it. pins 22 & 23
17:27<SelfishMan>Just in case anyone actually cares
17:27<path->since google indexes these chat logs, that may actually help someone in two years
17:28<MrGeneral>caker, sir u saw my pm?
17:28<SelfishMan>path-: This board is already 3+ years old and the average life is less than 2 years
17:28<jdlspeedy_>warewolf: any luck for the ratemylinode for xen users?
17:28<SelfishMan>I don't think there will be any more working in two years lol
17:28<path->we still have gx240s running here
17:28<SelfishMan>The gx280s had major heat and bad cap issues
17:28<Battousai>i used to win at rml
17:29<warewolf>jdlspeedy_: I doubt it; I may just let caker take it over; he has access to data I don't
17:29<path->and when we're done, we take them to the state who auctions them to schools and other people
17:29<Battousai>and then other people started using their linodes for nothing
17:29<@caker>MrGeneral: yup. it looks fine to me
17:29<path->we've had LOTS of bad caps here
17:29<MrGeneral>caker, i se, isn't stopping now though
17:29<path->i'm glad i don't work in the make-support-calls-to-dell position
17:29<MrGeneral>more people complaining thats why, but seems ok now, sir
17:30<SelfishMan>The library bought ten GX280s 3.5 years ago and I have had to do a total of 85 mainboard replacements on them
17:30<SelfishMan>90% of the replacements were done during the summer months
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17:30<SelfishMan>The other 10% were in the first six months
17:31<SelfishMan>I bought a dozen boards, procs and fans off of ebay for about $100 so I use them for number crunching and they work well once you properly deal with the heat
17:31<MrGeneral>so much lol
17:32*warewolf is currently 18th on RML (that's excluding people with private linode rankings)
17:33*SelfishMan can't use RML
17:33*Schroeder is proud to be selfish, too
17:35<warewolf>GIMME WEEKLY GRAPH
17:35<SelfishMan>Not that it would matter since I actually use my Linodes
17:35*warewolf frowns at "No."
17:36<warewolf>whelp time for me to pick up my stereo receiver.
17:36*warewolf &
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17:47<@linbot>New news from forums: Pre Sales Question on Security in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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17:50<bmonty>hi all, question on the Linode long do I have to wait before a change shows up in the DNS Manager and via API calls?
17:51<tjfontaine>the same as the web interface, zones are regenerated every 15mins or so
17:52<bmonty>tjfontaine: just to make sure, and I'm using your API...if I get a resource id back from a call to domainResourceSave I have to wait for the 15 mins to elapse?
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17:54<tjfontaine>bmonty: generally speaking yes
17:55<bmonty>tjfontaine: thanks
17:55<tjfontaine>bmonty: I'm not sure if it's 0,15,30,45 or */15
17:55<tjfontaine>a resource-id is what the api returns on success, if it fails you get an error
17:55<bmonty>tjfontaine: I just wanted to make sure that I have to wait for the domain to render before I see results from using the API
17:55<tjfontaine>an exception that is
17:56<tjfontaine>bmonty: yes, subsequent queries with the api should show the proper results though
17:56<bmonty>also, have you noticed that the Name parameter is required to update an A record...despite what the docs say?
17:56<bmonty>tjfontaine: immediate subsequent queries?
17:56<tjfontaine>haven't checked the name issue
17:57<bmonty>can I set the TTL <3600 with the API?
17:59<bmonty>if I call domainResourceSave without the Name parameter I get <class 'linode.api.ApiError'>: [{u'ERRORCODE': 667.0, u'ERRORMESSAGE': u'A required property is missing for this action'}]
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17:59<tjfontaine>ok, I'll fix that
17:59<tjfontaine>and yes caker added smaller TTLs I think to 300
17:59<SelfishMan>To the owner of Sorry about all the rsync attempts
18:00<tjfontaine>but they are normalized
18:00*SelfishMan mumbles about fat fingers
18:00<tjfontaine>< 300 == 300
18:00<tjfontaine>> 300 == next block
18:00<bmonty>tjfontaine: I tried to set it to 60, but it is still at 3600
18:01<tjfontaine>domain or resource level ttl?
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18:03<bmonty>tjfontaine: resource
18:03<tjfontaine>ok I see that too, trying domain atm
18:03<tjfontaine>it may have been missed in the migration from testing -> production
18:04<bmonty>where do I file a bug report :)
18:05<bmonty>goal is to do some dynamic name resolution for my home machines, an hour is a little too long to wait in the unlikely event that my ISP changes my IP
18:06<tjfontaine>nod nod
18:06<tjfontaine>happens on domains too
18:06<tjfontaine>here or #linode-api are the best places
18:06<tjfontaine>are you using my +
18:07<bmonty>I'm using the, is that the highlevel?
18:07<tjfontaine>lemme rephrase, are you using the latest from git? :)
18:07<tjfontaine>oh you're building your own not using
18:07<bmonty>yeah, I cloned the code from git a couple hours ago
18:08<bmonty>tjfontaine: yeah, I'm not using
18:08<tjfontaine>with you can do: ./ --domainResourceUpdate --name=home --target=
18:09<bmonty>tjfontaine: I saw that, but I want to make one python script to take care of what I need :)
18:09<tjfontaine>okey dokey :)
18:09<bmonty>tjfontaine: either way your wrappers work thanks!
18:09<tjfontaine>not a problem
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18:16*TofuMatt has a new iPhone ^_^
18:16<tjfontaine>mine has not arrived yet
18:16<TofuMatt>I got them to hold it for me
18:17<TofuMatt>for 5 hours
18:17<TofuMatt>it was awesome
18:17<TofuMatt>I know!!!!!!
18:17<TofuMatt>I'm in Canada
18:17<TofuMatt>we have no iPhones
18:17<tjfontaine>oh you're getting screwed anyway
18:17<TofuMatt>how much is your plan?
18:17<TofuMatt>we get more data than you
18:17<SelfishMan>Everyone is pretty much getting screwed by it
18:17<tjfontaine>my dad and I are going family plan
18:17<TofuMatt>heh, true
18:17<TofuMatt>AT&T softcaps "unlimited" at 5gigs, so I understand
18:18<SelfishMan>Higher cost over the term of the contract
18:18<SelfishMan>Can't even get one in this area. Not that I really want one.
18:18<tjfontaine>I hope I don't hit such limits, I have better things to be doing :)
18:18<TofuMatt>we get 6gigs for $30/month, which, especially by our data standards, is good
18:19<tjfontaine>and usually I'm in wifi-enabled locations
18:19<TofuMatt>there are coffee shops with free wifi everywhere here
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18:19<tjfontaine>most of the bars I frequent have wifi too
18:19<TofuMatt>and I also get free hotspots through Bell, thanks to being a broadband customers
18:19*TofuMatt too
18:20<TofuMatt>400 more songs to sync to it, lol
18:20<tjfontaine>any of the new phone you plan on browsing the internet with that don't come with wifi are pointless, people need help
18:20<encode>hah, if only there were a 5gb plan in australia
18:20<encode>i think the plans range from 100mb to 1gb
18:20*tjfontaine eyes most of the phones by his soon-to-be-previous carrier verizon
18:20<tjfontaine>encode: that's because the pigeons get tired quickly
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18:21<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, tune to see if its working me djing ;>
18:22<TofuMatt>encode: Our plans were close to that until we/Apple got uber-pissed at Rogers
18:22<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, : pls :D
18:22<TofuMatt>They only announced this sweet 6GB plan a few days before launch
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18:23<assss>i wanna order a VPS but i've q
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18:23<@linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
18:23<@linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
18:23<assss>can somebody install IRC on the server for me
18:23<Battousai>you can do it yourself though
18:23<assss>i don't know IRC admin-ing
18:23<assss>yeah but that wasn't my question
18:24<tjfontaine>then you shouldn't run an irc server, but use someone elses
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18:24<Battousai>listen to the tj guy, he knows his ircing
18:24<tjfontaine>you're allowed to run ircds on your server (not atlanta filters port 6667)
18:24<assss>look, can you not read
18:24<SelfishMan>What is this irc thing and how do I use it?
18:24<assss>i'm looking to get somebody else to set mine up
18:24<Battousai>actually i can't read
18:24<tjfontaine>[07-21] 18:24 < tjfontaine> then you shouldn't run an irc server, but use someone elses
18:25<Battousai>it's quite amazing that i can be here without reading though
18:25<tjfontaine>Battousai: braille?
18:25<Battousai>that still counts as reading
18:25<Battousai>i'm just illiterate
18:25<assss>there must be some paid service to do this
18:25<encode>that would potentially be quite dangerous, allowing someone else to install/configure an irc server that you would then be responsible for
18:25*SelfishMan kills Battousai's TTS engine
18:25*encode thinks assss needs a linode in atlanta for his irc server
18:25<Battousai>i have used that before actually
18:25<Battousai>it's quite nice
18:25<SelfishMan>I'm a fan of swift myself
18:25<Eman>TTS? my roflkopter goes tche tche tche tche tche tche etc
18:26<assss>so do you know anyone who can setup ircs for paypal cash
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18:26<Eman>its not that hard to setup an ircd...
18:26<encode>sure. i'll do it for $1 million USD
18:27<Eman>that said, i'll do it for $50
18:27<SelfishMan>encode: You are waaaaayyyy over-priced. I'll do it for half that!
18:27<assss>any real staff here
18:27<Battousai>i'll do it for triple
18:27<tjfontaine>assss: see eman
18:27<assss>not lifeless assholes
18:27<encode>SelfishMan: i left myself some negotiating room
18:27<encode>Eman: why? why would you even offer a reasonable sum?
18:27<assss>@ before name = staff?
18:28<tjfontaine>yes, and bot
18:28<Battousai>linbot is here, ask him
18:28<tjfontaine>see bot
18:28<Eman>encode because nobody will pay $50 for an ircd
18:28<encode>Eman: don't be so sure
18:28<Battousai>per month?
18:28<assss>well i would pay 50 bucks
18:28<tjfontaine>I'll do iut
18:28<SelfishMan> Vf vg gvzr sbe ebg guvegrra ntnva?
18:29<Battousai>oh god not this again
18:29<Eman>$50 maintenance fee every month for a year lol
18:29<assss>but not to a sarcastic asshole
18:29*SelfishMan wonders why a person named 'asss' is calling everyone assholes
18:29<encode>assss: why wouldn't you use one of the myriad of free irc services out there?
18:30<assss>because i want my own?
18:30<@caker>!quote GOOG
18:30<TofuMatt>Well then, no offense, you should make it your own.
18:30<@linbot>caker: The current price of GOOG is 468.80, as of 4:00pm EST. A change of -12.52 from the last business day.
18:30<Battousai>google crashing?!
18:30<TofuMatt>and part of doing that is setting it up yourself
18:30<@caker>missed earnings
18:30<Eman>assss, im being serious here, if you dont learn to do it yourself through experimentation, you'll never know how to maintain it
18:30<Battousai>!quote APPL
18:30<tjfontaine>nc -l -p 6667
18:31<MrGeneral>HoopyCat, hoopy u there?:F need u to test stream:D
18:31<@caker>!quote AAPL
18:31<assss>well yes
18:31<@linbot>caker: The current price of AAPL is 166.29, as of 4:00pm EST. A change of +1.14 from the last business day.
18:31<TofuMatt>sync complete!
18:31<assss>but not everyone has time to spend on managing extra servers
18:31<@caker>!quote HSTM
18:31<@linbot>caker: The current price of HSTM is 2.62, as of 3:58pm EST. A change of -0.09 from the last business day.
18:31<encode>configuring an ircd can be quite complex, if you provide any kind of services
18:31*TofuMatt basks in his iPhone's plastic white glow
18:31<SelfishMan>My stock in teh GOOG is crashing? SELL SELL SELLL
18:31<Battousai>!quote LNDE
18:31<assss>so i'm looking for a SERVICE which does this
18:31<assss>if you havent firgured it out yet
18:31<encode>assss: you're using one right now.
18:31<TofuMatt>assss: there are two reasonable options
18:32<TofuMatt>1. do it yourself, and learn
18:32<TofuMatt>2. what encode said: use a server that's already up, FOR FREE
18:32<tjfontaine>eman said he'd do it
18:32<tjfontaine>for $50
18:32<encode>TofuMatt: the problem with option 1 is the almost-certain influx of traffic after the linode has been r00ted
18:33<TofuMatt>lol ^_^
18:33<tjfontaine>most ircds won't let you run with UID 0
18:33<TofuMatt>the middle ground is sort of ridiculous -- you don't learn anything, it's not really "your's" -- you pay to maintain/setup, but you haven't done anything
18:33<Eman>rooted from an ircd? what the shit
18:33<tjfontaine>1 w/tf ever
18:33<tjfontaine>Eman: used to be common actually
18:33<TofuMatt>and if you want to change things, you'll have to pay someone to do that too, as you skipped setup, you won't really know what anything does
18:33<assss>heard of managed servers?
18:33<Battousai>this is not a managed service
18:33<Eman>if the box is getting rooted from an ircd, something is very very wrong
18:34<encode>assss: we have. linode doesn't provide such facilities
18:34<assss>i didn't say it was duh
18:34<SelfishMan>It was common but it was tjfontaine rooting them so it doesn't count
18:34<Battousai>yet you keep expecting it
18:34<assss>Batty boy
18:34<assss>i asked if u know any such services
18:34<tjfontaine>no, I don't.
18:34<tjfontaine>moving on
18:34*encode adds an entry to his ignore list
18:34<Battousai>i know of one
18:34*SelfishMan search source for 'tjfontaine pwnz j00'
18:34<assss>such unpleasant assholes in here, u guys really need a life
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18:35<tjfontaine>that's probably true
18:35<Battousai>but i like not having a life
18:35<Battousai>it's much easier
18:35<tjfontaine>I'm kinda partial to it as well
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18:35<TofuMatt>crud, oh well, I tried
18:35<encode>so trying to be helpful and encourage someone to develop new skills makes us an asshole?
18:36<SelfishMan>!google "Get a life"
18:36<encode>oh well, I can live with that
18:36<@linbot>SelfishMan: Search took 0.26 seconds: Get a Life (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Get a life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; " Get a Life " (1990): <>; YouTube - Get A Life: <>; Get A Life: (2 more messages)
18:36<TofuMatt>iPhone syncing is so sloooooow
18:36<SelfishMan>So, what is this life thing and how do I use it?
18:36<TofuMatt>I synced music, then forgot about podcasts
18:36<Eman>oftc's services are rather nice, i was playing with them couple days ago
18:37<Battousai>their best feature is auto-mikegrb +q
18:37<Battousai>unfortunately that's been removed it seems
18:37<Eman>they're lots better than anope
18:38<tjfontaine>Eman: !
18:38<MrGeneral>if i google mrg?
18:38<MrGeneral>!google MrGeneral
18:38<@linbot>MrGeneral: Search took 0.13 seconds: ConquerRPG Forum - View Profile: MrGeneral: <>; Steam Community :: ID :: MrGeneral: <>; MrGeneral's member page: <>; FreeWebHostingTalk - View Profile: MrGeneral: <>; Designs By Echo - (2 more messages)
18:38<tjfontaine>Eman: thanks
18:38<MrGeneral>wow lol, crazy.
18:38<Battousai>i looked through anope's code once
18:38<Battousai>woke up in an alley with a hole in the butt of my pants
18:39<tjfontaine>trunk of oftc-ircservices is way better than what's released atm ;)
18:39<tjfontaine>Battousai: and yes, the mikegrb +q feature/bug has been removed
18:39<tjfontaine>now it rightfully +q's Schroeder
18:40<Eman>anope is a horror of software
18:40<Battousai>so are most other services packages
18:40<booja>MrGeneral: you needs to be playin the tf2s
18:40<Eman>i should just email a copy to
18:40<MrGeneral>booja, lol no <.< im not a player :F
18:40<tjfontaine>TofuMatt: !!! I finally got my confirmation email from att
18:40*encode wonders how well oftc-ircservices would play with hybrid-ircd
18:41<TofuMatt>tjfontaine: confirmation email?
18:41<Eman>uhhh encode... oftc's ircd is hybrid
18:41<tjfontaine>TofuMatt: saying I actually did order it, and that I'll get another email when they ship it
18:41<TofuMatt>I dunno how US iPhone activation works
18:41*Battousai wonders how to get /s in hostnames
18:41<tjfontaine>encode: +q won't work
18:41<TofuMatt>I just bought mine retail
18:41<encode>eman: oh, I hadn't even thought of checking that
18:41<tjfontaine>encode: and CERTFP probably won't either
18:42<Eman>hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.6.4(STABLE). egIqKMZ6 TS6ow
18:42<tjfontaine>Eman: are you .au?
18:42<encode>tjfontaine: im in .au
18:42<tjfontaine>we must still have .au in .na rotation
18:42<tjfontaine>encode: I know, you two should switch servers :)
18:43<tjfontaine>saturn is .au, and larich is .na in osuosl
18:43<encode>tjfontaine: oh well, i use irssi from my linode
18:43<tjfontaine>.na and .au often share rotations
18:43<tjfontaine>encode: that would explain it
18:43<encode> hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.6.4
18:43<Eman>its funny, this .au server is more stable than the efnet server 50 miles from me
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18:43<tjfontaine>Eman: I think that server is at uq
18:44<encode>ugh, queensland
18:44<tjfontaine>Eman: also, oftc is not a fan of unstable servers :)
18:45<Eman>as ive seen
18:46<Battousai>why am i on saturn?
18:46<tjfontaine>saturn is likely in the .na rotation
18:46<Battousai>stop breaking it
18:46<booja>be glad you're not in uranus
18:46<Battousai>tjfontaine: i demand urectum
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18:46<tjfontaine>charm, larich, xenon, saturn
18:47<Eman>tjfontaine, you guys do geo ip stuffs for
18:47<tjfontaine>charm is he-linode
18:47<tjfontaine>Eman: indeed
18:47<Battousai>you got a tp-linode right?
18:47<tjfontaine>yes, but it's hub-only
18:47<Battousai>that's not good
18:47<Battousai>it will have pieces of ups in it soon
18:48<tjfontaine>newark will be user facing
18:48<Eman>a newark server? cool
18:48<tjfontaine>this week :)
18:48*Eman looks forward to 16ms pings
18:48<Battousai>out of probation and into the actual network right?
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18:49<tjfontaine>on me and how soon I complete
18:49<Battousai>damn it, stop chatting
18:49<tjfontaine>ok, I'll leave work now
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18:53<BubbleWrap>whats the processer speed on our linodes?
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18:54<BubbleWrap>or what is a link to where i could find it? the wiki mayb?
18:55<straterra>quad xeon 2.5
18:55<straterra>each machine has 2 quad xeons
18:55<scorche|sh>you can fidn out with a simple command...
18:56<Battousai>cat /proc/cpuinfo
18:56<scorche|sh>straterra: not all of them
18:56<straterra>model : 23
18:56<straterra>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
18:56<straterra>model : 23
18:56<straterra>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
18:56<straterra>model : 23
18:56<straterra>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
18:56<straterra>model : 23
18:56<straterra>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz
18:56<Toba_>we get it
18:56<straterra>thats on my linode
18:56<Battousai>longpaste is long!
18:56<Battousai>eh, wasn't that long
18:56<Toba_>that's what she said
18:56<scorche|sh>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5335 @ 2.00GHz
18:56<Battousai>so true :(
18:56<straterra>scorche|sh: every one i've been on has been
18:57<scorche|sh>straterra: ^^
18:57<scorche|sh>like i said...not all are
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18:57<straterra>are you still uml?
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18:57<scorche|sh>i am on a 1080 so i have less people sharing though
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18:58<straterra>i'm on a 1440
18:58<scorche|sh>ok..maybe not =P
19:00<BubbleWrap>what speed is it per VPS, not the whole server :s
19:00<Battousai>that's not how it works
19:00<BubbleWrap>explain it to me then please >.<
19:00<BubbleWrap>there must be caps on cpu usage, right?
19:00<BubbleWrap>otherwise somebody could lag somebody else x.x
19:01<Battousai>you're guaranteed a certain portion of the processor time available, but you can burst up to all of the unused time on the host
19:01<BubbleWrap>i getcha
19:03<BubbleWrap>so if each machine has 2 quad zeons
19:03<BubbleWrap>thats 2*4*2.5ghz?
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19:04<scorche|sh>everyone has access to 4 cores
19:04<MrGeneral>can anyone test my broadcast server tho
19:04<MrGeneral>to see if its ok
19:04<MrGeneral> <- :F
19:05*Toba_ hooks it up
19:05<Toba_>trying to connect...
19:05<Toba_>this doesn't seem to be working, but my employer may have firewalled 1337
19:05<Toba_>they block 6667 so I wouldn't be surprised
19:06<scorche|sh>everyone should block 1337
19:07<exor674>oh god, why are you running a shoutcast server??? icecast all the way
19:08<Toba_>1337 is some backdoor utility last i heard
19:10<MrGeneral>maybe tho
19:10<tierra>works here
19:10<MrGeneral>with good quality?
19:10<MrGeneral>no lag spikes?
19:10<tierra>128, no lags
19:10<MrGeneral>oo great
19:10<MrGeneral>btw meh djing
19:10<MrGeneral>thanks for testing mate :)
19:10<MrGeneral>damn linode network..i like this:)
19:10*tierra may stick around listening for a bit
19:10<MrGeneral>oo tierra , u like house?:D
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19:10<tierra>I like lots of various music, though I don't listen to house much
19:10<tierra>but this isn't bad right now
19:10<MrGeneral>ooo yeah
19:10<MrGeneral>oh this one is
19:10<MrGeneral> Alex Gaudino - Watch Out (Robbie Rivera Remix) <-
19:10<MrGeneral>its a good song tho:D
19:10<MrGeneral>exor674, i love shoutcast:D
19:10<MrGeneral>i'm just used to..
19:10<MrGeneral>and then i've put autodj, with sc_trans... and it's a 24/h online radio station
19:11<Toba_>problem with that
19:11<Toba_>a linode 360 can only stream at 19kbps 24/7
19:11<Toba_>before running out of bw
19:12<MrGeneral>i'm just testing, I might upgrade :D
19:12<Toba_>you'd need to.
19:12<MrGeneral>I've a bunch of dedicated servers tho
19:12<MrGeneral>ill make relay servers
19:12<MrGeneral>just need one with a good network like linode..:)
19:12<MrGeneral>to be the main stream
19:13<booja>who was it that needed the dell front panel pinouts?
19:13<tierra>yeah, linode isn't the best for streaming content of any kind compared with many other providers... it has the network for it, but the bandwidth is much more expensive in comparison
19:13<MrGeneral>and im a good dj thooo :>
19:13<MrGeneral>yep tierra
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19:14<MrGeneral>tierra, but its enough for one more stream:P
19:14<MrGeneral>if the radio gets big...then i'll have to look for something
19:14<Toba_>I could use one booja
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19:18<SelfishMan>booja: Me
19:18<booja>yeah, I just scrolled waaay up
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19:19<MrGeneral>tierra, u like this one tho?
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19:20*MrGeneral is thinking.... almost 2000 euros for Pioneer equipment =X
19:22<tierra>MrGeneral: yeah, not bad, good stuff to listen to while working
19:23<MrGeneral>tierra, yea it is manD:
19:24*path- eats up all MrGeneral's bw
19:25<MrGeneral>path-, lololo
19:25<MrGeneral>noess =p
19:26<MrGeneral>its a good sound tho:P
19:26<path->works well here on my awesome dsl connection
19:26<path->no lag
19:27<MrGeneral>yea it seems a good network
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19:27<MrGeneral>believe me , i tried so much vps sp's..
19:27<MrGeneral>none of them gave me this good network.
19:28<path->you could get other 360's in the same dc
19:28<tierra>if I'm doing the math remotely correctly, it's what, 25GB/mo for 1 listener @ 128kb/s?
19:28<path->and then slave to them
19:28<path->over the private net
19:29<tierra>assuming you have 1 listener on 24/7 the entire month
19:29<SelfishMan>You also have to send the stream to the server
19:29<SelfishMan>and that part typically is 24/7
19:29<path->he's got autodj on the server
19:29<SelfishMan>Ah. Ok
19:29<path->but sometimes does live stuff
19:29<MrGeneral>ye maybe tierra
19:29<MrGeneral>but i've some unmtered servers
19:30<MrGeneral>and others with 3k bandwidth so..i'll just split to some relay servers
19:30<MrGeneral>the autodj thing is complete tho.
19:31<MrGeneral>and i pwn putting sound haah
19:33<SelfishMan>Wait, isn't autodj something that you subscribe to and it still has to push to your shoutcast server?
19:33<tierra>hmm, I think my math was off, should be closer to 40GB
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19:35<MrGeneral>SelfishMan, nah its different man
19:35<MrGeneral>i use sc_trans from shoutcast
19:35<MrGeneral>it plays the files in some dir, which u define in a playlist file.
19:36<SelfishMan>I didn't think it was the service but had to make sure. I haven't heard anything good about the service.
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19:38<MrGeneral>ya SelfishMan
19:38<MrGeneral>there are some SP's selling something which is free, sc_trans <.<
19:38<MrGeneral>but ye, it rocks:D
19:41<path->so you have one url and it does some redirecting thing to send different clients to other servers?
19:43<MrGeneral>yep to other server
19:43<MrGeneral>relay servers
19:43<MrGeneral>user/bandwidth balancing :p
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19:47*tjfontaine bows to HoopyCat
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20:08<booja>any of you guys ever set up a podcast before?
20:08<booja>I have a dj friend who wants to do one
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20:09<jblack>Hi. Is it possible to do an overlapping migration to the new datacenter?
20:11<tjfontaine>you mean inadvertently?
20:11<jblack>Intentionally. Buy a B, do a migration, wait for root dns servers to propogate, terminate A.
20:11<jblack>I'm happy to pay for the overlapping time, of cours.e
20:12<StevenK>jblack: Sure, buy a new Linode at the second datacentre, and copy disk images across.
20:12<jetlag>Just order a new node and when you cancel the old one you'll get a prorated refund.
20:13<jblack>stevenk: Is there a linode provided tool for that, or are we talking migrating tarballs and such.
20:13<StevenK>I believe you can sync disk images between nodes using the Dashboard
20:13<StevenK>Maybe someone with more than one node should answer :-)
20:14<jblack>Ahh, I see. there's a duplicate image.
20:14<jblack>that would work for me if resources for mutiple linodes are agregated.
20:16<StevenK>jblack: I suspect they aren't.
20:17<SelfishMan>jblack: There is a function in the dashboard to let you copy a profile and/or disk image to another linode
20:18<SelfishMan>I use it frequently
20:18<jblack>Does it work across data centers?
20:18<internat>i imagine so. it will just be slow.
20:19<internat>and i believe transfer is agregated but thats it.
20:19<internat>(but i am not a linode admin)
20:19<SelfishMan>It is pretty fast.
20:19<jblack>Thats ok. It doesn't matter if it takes a day to get around to a duplication.
20:20<StevenK>SelfishMan: I note there are nodes available in Dallas. Did you snap one up?
20:20<jblack>Hmm. Create a linode doesn't allow one to specify the data center to use.
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20:23<@caker>Our coffee is HOT -- and so is our service!
20:23<SelfishMan>It takes about 20 minutes to move 4GB from dallas to newark
20:23<@caker>jblack: yes it does -- after you add it to your account
20:23<jblack>Ok, great
20:23<@linbot>SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 7, Dallas720 - 9, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
20:24<jblack>There will be a dallas360 available soon.
20:24<SelfishMan>StevenK: I haven't migrated my dallas 360 to a 540 yet. There should be one available when I do that.
20:25<SelfishMan>jblack: Are you migrating it to newark?
20:25<jblack>caker: are you sure? I'm on the invoice page, and I don't see an option for newark
20:25<jblack>SelfishMan: I'd like to, yes.
20:25<@caker>jblack: yes. After you complete adding it to your account, you'll be redirected to the Linodes page, click on the new node, and it'll ask you for its location
20:25<SelfishMan>jblack: When you first log in you get to choose where the node will be created. this is after the node is bought and paid for
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20:26<jblack>Ok. Are there 360's left in newark?
20:26<@linbot>caker: Newark360 - 23, Newark540 - 21, Newark720 - 14, Newark1080 - 14, Newark1440 - 9, Newark2880 - 5
20:27<@linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 1, Atlanta720 - 1, Atlanta1080 - 3, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 1
20:27<@linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
20:27*SelfishMan sad
20:28<TofuMatt_>Any other Canadian iPhone users on?
20:28-!-TofuMatt_ is now known as TofuMatt
20:28*TofuMatt wants to get a good "find stuff around town" app that works well in at least major canadian cities
20:29<SelfishMan>! Canada has cities now?!?!
20:29<Adam12>SelfishMan: We grouped some igloo's together
20:29<TofuMatt>although one is made entirely of igloos
20:29<jblack>No. I can't dupicate across data centers. Darnit.
20:29<TofuMatt>lol ^___^
20:30<SelfishMan>jblack: yes you can. Don't click the disk image. Go to utilities
20:30<SelfishMan>I'm actually doing it right this second
20:30*TofuMatt did it when he got a new 'node in NJ
20:31<jblack>Found it. thanks
20:31<SelfishMan>Go to Settings & Utilities and in the bottom right is 'clone this linode'. Make sure you have your Linode shutdown first.
20:31<Adam12>caker: I've been having problems with the SORBS RBL thinking my Linode mailserver is from a dynamic IP. Thoughts?
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20:32<jblack>Thanks much guys
20:32<@caker>Adam12: their removal process is a pain in the ass <-- thought #1
20:32<@caker>Adam12: one sec .. phone
20:32<tjfontaine>also #sorbs on this network
20:32<jetlag>man SORBS sucks
20:33<path->i thought someone was working on it
20:33<Nivex>Adam12: I was told by tasaro (?) yesterday that mikegrb is waiting to hear back
20:33<Adam12>caker: I've been noticing that. SORBS sucks anyways, I just have a lot of clients who are forced to use it:|
20:33<Nivex>I've got a ticket in with them as does a friend o fmine.
20:33<Adam12>They listed the whole /21 for NJ
20:33<Battousai>even me?
20:33*path- goes to check
20:34<jblack>Can someone cancel job 664011? Job 664013 is going to delete it anyways. =)
20:34<Nivex>must have been a heck of a deal we got on that IP block ;)
20:34<tjfontaine>oftc has a sorbs admin friend, even that doesn't help
20:34<Adam12>Unless I'm on a ghetto block :)
20:34-!-Pryon [~Pryon@] has quit [Server closed connection]
20:34<Battousai>tjfontaine: want me to take him out back and break his knees?
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20:35<tjfontaine>Battousai: you'll have to go down under to do that
20:35<Adam12>Yeah. We need an Aussie goon-for-hire
20:35<path->yay, i'm not in the ghetto block
20:35*tjfontaine looks at encode
20:35<Adam12>path-: Lucky!
20:35<Battousai>what's the ghetto block?
20:35<path->the nj block on the sorbs dyn list
20:36<Battousai>damn you
20:36<Battousai>making me go look it up
20:36<Adam12>Battousai: 208.192.73.x
20:36<StevenK>That doesn't cover a /21 :-P
20:36<path->mine is 69 and it's fine
20:36<Battousai>i got 69 too
20:36<path->at least according to the sorbs web form
20:37<SelfishMan>I have a 207 in nj
20:37<Adam12>Netblock: (
20:37<path->oh yea, mine is 207 even
20:37<Adam12>^^ according to Sorbs
20:37<jblack>Yeah. I just got 2 207s.
20:38<Battousai>so how did that get in there as dynamic IPs?
20:38<SelfishMan>m I'not in that block thankfully
20:38<Adam12>Battousai: Assigned by DHCP maybe?
20:38<path->maybe it was an old aol netblock once :(
20:38<SelfishMan>Oh wait. Misread that. Yes i am. Not using it for mail though
20:39<Battousai>i bet it's somehow TP techs' fault
20:39<SelfishMan>So, people really use SORBS still/ Why?
20:39<Adam12>SelfishMan: Good question. Some big ISP's up here in Canuckville do. They are anti-spam extortionists. I don't know why anybody bothers with their RBL.
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20:40*StevenK uses SORBS
20:40<Adam12>StevenK: *gasp* Blasphemy!
20:40*StevenK was waiting for that
20:41<SelfishMan>Adam12: But you are in Canada! I expect you to do screwy things up there! ;-P
20:42<Adam12>Worst part is, I have kit colo'd in Toronto that is in a block which is blacklisted, so I purchased this node to use as a smart host while my provider sorts out their blacklist problem :|
20:42<path->spamhaus catches all my linode spam
20:42<@caker>on the subject of SORBS -- our IP ranges provided to us were listed in SORBS as dynamic IPs from 1998 or something .. so, we've been round and round with them trying to get them de/re-listed as static
20:42<path->spam to my linode :)
20:43<Battousai>maybe it was aol
20:43<@caker>soon, from what I've heard from tasaro/mikegrb
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20:44<Adam12>caker: Figured as much. Sounds like the SORBS admin is a tool. I thought it might be because of the stock PTR's assigned to IPS
20:44<path->i think they just like to add ip's to the list
20:44<@caker>they, or someplace wanted us to stick "static" in the rdns .. yaright
20:44<StevenK>I can recall some ISP who actually do that.
20:45<StevenK>If it's just to appease SORBS, that's just tragic
20:45<path->at $work we put dyn in our dhcp pools, but we would never put "static" in static hostnames
20:45<path->that's just silly
20:46<Adam12>I saw someone mention somewhere on the interwebs that the SORBS admin is just trying to push his RFC, which is why he's blacklisting everybody that doesn't follow 'his' rules.
20:47<Adam12>Which wouldn't surprise me, considering the attitude in
20:47<SelfishMan>Great. A blacklist admin with a god complex
20:48<HoopyCat>a blacklist admin with a god complex? holy shit.
20:48<HoopyCat>get me the new york bureau on the line, we've got something that's never, ever happened in the history of the internet here
20:49<path->spews is worse
20:49<HoopyCat>blacklists are great in theory, but jeez, the admins eventually tend to get a common sense lobotomy...
20:49<path->let's post on newsgroups to beg to get off the list..
20:49<path->that'll work..
20:50<StevenK>I wonder if SORBS is the blacklist that wants $50 to be removed from the blacklist
20:50<Adam12>StevenK: It is :)
20:50*StevenK kicks rsync
20:51<HoopyCat>virus propagation fake headline of the week: "Mccain Vows To Withdraw All Troops From The U.S."
20:52<HoopyCat>which is... wait, what?
20:56<Bdragon>Ha, I have a better one... "Old Man Dies Inside Paris Hilton"
20:57<SelfishMan>Well, statistically speaking, someone was going to die inside Paris Hilton
20:58<SelfishMan>When you have that many people passing through...
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21:00<HoopyCat>jury duty tomorrow, so early bed (gotta fetch a ride downtown with wife at 6-bloody-20). g'nite!
21:01<path->HoopyCat: take the 8ball!
21:01<@linbot>path-: What are you asking me for?
21:02<internat>aretn you meant to ask a question with 8ball
21:02<internat>!8ball is path forgetting something
21:02<@linbot>internat: NO!
21:02<path->!8ball did path forget?
21:02<@linbot>path-: NO.
21:02<path->see :)
21:03<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
21:03<Pryon>!8ball do you ever answer in the affirmative?
21:03<@linbot>Pryon: Maybe...
21:03<Nivex>!8ball does linode rule?
21:03<@linbot>Nivex: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
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21:03<Nivex>@lart 8ball
21:04<Nivex>sorry, @ is the supybot char on another channel
21:04<Pryon>it's the default supybot char
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21:04*Bdragon uses $ on HIS supybot..
21:04<Nivex>!rainbow lulz!
21:04<@linbot>Nivex: lulz!
21:07<Battousai>i had a supybot with the command char set to f
21:07<Bdragon>[20:05] *** channel #linode mode is +ntc <--
21:07<SeishinMoon>!rainbow I love you
21:07<@linbot>SeishinMoon: I love you
21:07-!-mode/#linode [-c] by caker
21:08<SeishinMoon>what's c?
21:08<Bdragon>inhibit color
21:08<jackc>i approve of +c
21:08<@caker>yes, it won't last long
21:08<Nivex>!rainbow behold the greatness of color!
21:08<@linbot>Nivex: behold the greatness of color!
21:08<Nivex>the bot must be inhibited too
21:08<Nivex>linbot: cast off your inhibitions! :)
21:08<charlie>aww the bot no has colour! :-(
21:09<mendel>Robots are grey.
21:09<path->oh no, you didn't
21:09<Nivex>no that wasn't it
21:09*Nivex forgets how to make color
21:09<Bdragon>And thus was demonstrated why serious channels are +c.
21:09<Nivex>it's been far too long since I've been in mIRC land
21:09<StevenK>"Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and #linode are asking me to output to IRC in colour!?"
21:09<Nivex>StevenK: :)
21:10<Eman>ive got an annoying script that makes 5 line tall text using the reverse character
21:10*avongauss goes and looks for that blinky color...
21:10<Battousai>i demand a demonstration
21:10<Nivex>oh yeah, I forgot about toilet
21:10<Nivex>stby 1
21:10<charlie>Linode rocks!
21:10<Bdragon>Needs more green
21:10<Eman>demonstration of said script?
21:10<bd_>jblack: <late> If disk image copy is too slow, rsyncing across may be worth a shot (as if done right you can take care of most of the transfer while your server's still up)
21:10<Eman>only if caker wont ban me :p
21:11<@caker>go for it
21:11<mendel>seewious channel!
21:11<bd_>ofc rsyncing will count against your transfer quota
21:11<Nivex>▌ ▌ ▜▜
21:11<Nivex>▙▄▌▞▀▖▐▐ ▞▀▖
21:11<Nivex>▌ ▌▛▀ ▐▐ ▌ ▌
21:11<Nivex>▘ ▘▝▀▘ ▘▘▝▀
21:11<StevenK>Oh, that's *nasty*
21:11<bd_>c-c-c-c-combo breaker :D
21:11<@caker>mode +c in 3...
21:11<SelfishMan>jblack: I recommend shutting down your node, cloning the disk (if you have free space) and then powering it up and copying over the cloned disk.
21:11<Bdragon>Yes, that IS quite obnoxious
21:11*Eman is finished anyway
21:11<charlie>caker: no wait!~!!!
21:11<Nivex>▛▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖
21:11<Nivex>▌ ▌▚▄▌▛▀
21:11<Nivex>▀▀ ▗▄▘▝▀▘
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21:12-!-mode/#linode [+c] by caker
21:12<charlie>what the fuck!
21:12<Bdragon>Can anyone screenshot what Nivex did? I don't have utf8 capability.
21:12<charlie>that was very strange
21:12<charlie>buggy script aparently
21:12<Eman> <-- now THAT is an annoying script
21:12<bd_>SelfishMan: that works too - rsync can do it without needing multiple shutdowns though :)
21:12-!-mode/#linode [-c] by caker
21:13<bd_>(rsync while system's up, shut down service/DB/other writers, rsync again, boot on new host)
21:13<@caker>better hurry
21:13<charlie>caker: lemme look something up
21:13<SelfishMan>bd_: You won't need multiple shutdowns if you clone a disk.
21:13<charlie> __________
21:13<charlie>< oh noez! >
21:13<charlie> ----------
21:13<charlie> \ _
21:13<charlie> \ (_)
21:13<charlie> \ ^__^ / \
21:13<Eman>C-C-C-Combo Breaker!
21:13<charlie> \ (oo)\_____/_\ \
21:14<charlie> (__)\ ) /
21:14<charlie>|----w ((
21:14<charlie>| ||>>
21:14<bd_>SelfishMan: you'll need two - one to clone the disk, then one to transfer whatever changed while the disk was moving between DCs. Or one long shutdown.
21:14<tjfontaine>don't spam me please
21:14-!-mode/#linode [+c] by caker
21:14<Nivex>oh ehm gee
21:14<Battousai>was that a bull?
21:14<Bdragon>Ahh, I see..
21:15<Eman>rainbow coloured ascii goatse is good too
21:15<SelfishMan>bd_: The deltas are easy to do with a rsync or tarball. No need to shut it down twice.
21:15<SelfishMan>Assuming that the deltas are even important
21:19<Schroeder>people on Wikipedia are funny
21:19*Schroeder goes back to re-reading "Capitalism: the Unknown Idea" by the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand
21:19<Schroeder>erm...that should be "Ideal", not "Idea"
21:20<SelfishMan>ikipedia is tWhe world's largest repository of bs
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21:20<TimothyA>how do i set up exim to receive e-mails that people send to my box?
21:20<SelfishMan>um...why did my 'W' show up in the middle of the line?
21:20<Battousai>you've done that a few times now
21:21<Pryon>TimothyA: Do you have an MX record pointing to your box?
21:21<TimothyA>just a moment
21:21<bd_>SelfishMan: you can't rsync a database while it's live - so there'll be two downtime periods
21:22<bd_>so why not just get rid of the first one by using rsync rather than an image copy?
21:23<SelfishMan>bd_: Full filesystem is easier than trying to reconfigure a second system. Is jblack moving a database?
21:23<bd_>SelfishMan: You can rsync a full filesystem :)
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21:23<bd_>mount --bind / /mnt, rsync /mnt over
21:23<TimothyA>Pryon; to which address specificly do they have to point?
21:24<bd_>the mount --bind makes sure /proc and friends aren't copied
21:24<bd_>or well, what's really on the disk is copied
21:24<charlie>SelfishMan: no, the worls's largest repository of bs is yahoo answers
21:24<SelfishMan>bd_: I know you can, I do it often. Considering that it takes 20 minutes to move a 4GB disk from dallas to newark I'm betting that it's faster than rsync.
21:25<SelfishMan>I remember jblack saying that it didn't matter how long it took just as long as it could be done.
21:25<bd_>It'd probably depend on your fs utilization, and how many small files you have
21:25<@caker>Replacing files in old package vim-tiny ...
21:25<@caker>thank you lord.
21:26<path->that is annoying
21:26<TimothyA>Pryon; the email does arrive, but it doesn't get processed correctly
21:26<SelfishMan>But I know that migrating a 4GB image takes 20 minutes. That can vary but I'm betting not that much. I can't tell with rsync how long it will take. Considering that all my nodes take several hours to reconfigure, I'd rather migrate an image.
21:27<bd_>SelfishMan: Depends on how bad downtime is for you I guess :)
21:27<Pryon>TimothyA: Okay. Now you'll have to define "doesn't get processed correctly." :-)
21:28<SelfishMan>The downtime when I did it earlier was less than five minutes.
21:28<Pryon>Please note that I'm 99.94% ignorant of exim.
21:28<SelfishMan>And it was only that high because I forgot to reboot the node for a few minutes.
21:28<bd_>*shrug* To each their own :P
21:28*Nivex finds postfix easier than Exim
21:29*StevenK wuvs Postfix
21:29<Adam12>caker: Are there any other IP blocks available in NJ other than 207.192.73.x?
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21:30<SelfishMan>I'm a big fan of doing what it takes to make it work. Unless it involves the three big evils
21:30<bd_>SelfishMan: which are?
21:30<Nivex>Are there any SORBS people that we can buy beers for?
21:30<SelfishMan>You know, AOL, Microsoft and Martha Stewart
21:30<Nivex>SelfishMan: lol
21:30<@caker>Adam12: yes -- but I'm a bit out of the loop on the issue. I suggest submitting a ticket
21:30*SelfishMan cowers at the sight of Martha Stewart
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21:31<Adam12>caker: I have one open but unanswered. It was the end of a hard day so maybe the person at the other end of the ticket didn't understand what I was getting at :)
21:32<TimothyA>graaah! why won't it receive mail >.<
21:33<Adam12>TimothyA: Anything in the exim logs? Maybe a problem with the transports?
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21:35<TimothyA>The error that the other server returned was: 553 553 sorry, mail to that recipient is not accepted (#5.7.1) (state 14).
21:36<Pryon>Does "that recipient" have an account on the exim bo?
21:36<Adam12>TimothyA: How about /var/log/exim/main.log (or /var/log/exim_mainlog)
21:36<TimothyA>Pryon; 'root' has an account, yes
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21:36<Pryon>does exim deliver to root locally with success?
21:36<bd_>TimothyA: the default configuration for exim may block mail to root unless you set up a mail alias
21:37<TimothyA>Pryon; no :/
21:37<Adam12>TimothyA: fgrep never_users /etc/exim/exim.conf
21:37<StevenK>I thought exim won't deliever to root
21:37<Adam12>StevenK: It won't with a stock config.
21:37<TimothyA>Adam12; nothing
21:37<TimothyA>it's an empty file
21:38<Adam12>TimothyA: Weird. Well never_users is the setting in exim.conf that you'd want anyways.
21:38<TimothyA>StevenK; no such file
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21:38<charlie>anyone know how to make alt work like a meta key in uxterm?
21:39<TimothyA>copied the template...and nothing
21:40<Pryon>I need a KVM
21:40<StevenK>TimothyA: What do you have installed on your Linode?
21:40<TimothyA>StevenK; apache, python, php, mysql, exim-4
21:41<StevenK>TimothyA: I meant distro, to see if I know how they set up exim4
21:41<StevenK>Then your configuration is under /etc/exim4
21:41<Nivex>yeah, I think Debian is the only one that still ships Exim
21:41<Nivex>TimothyA: are you tied to Exim for any particular reason?
21:42<StevenK>It is probably split up into hundreds of small files under /etc/exim4/conf.d
21:42<StevenK>(or something, it's been a while)
21:42<Adam12>StevenK: It is
21:42<Pryon>I think debian uses it as the default for the metapackage mail-user-agent
21:42<StevenK>I think exim4 has replaced exim
21:42<Pryon>but spelled correctly
21:42<Nivex>If you have no particular allegiance to Exim, I strongly recommend installing Postfix in its stead.
21:43<TimothyA>great, i think i broke it
21:43<TimothyA>Nivex; postfix? will you help me get it fixed? :P
21:44<Nivex>If I'm around, I can throw pointers out. I think you'll find more people in here experienced with Postfix over Exim
21:44<TimothyA>i'm installing it right now
21:44<Nivex>the Debian prompts for the postfix package should leave you in a good state
21:45<TimothyA>okay, installed...
21:45<TimothyA>k, that worked for local now...
21:46<TimothyA>sending to external works now...
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21:46<TimothyA>from outside to inside, not :/
21:47<Nivex>ok, the file you'll be working with is /etc/postfix/
21:47<Nivex>is the domain you're trying to send mail to listed in the mydestination= line?
21:48<TimothyA>Nivex; from outside to inside, or vice versa?
21:48<TimothyA>from here, to my box?
21:49<TimothyA>non-linode to linode
21:49<Nivex>the machine you just installed postfix on: make sure the domain you want to receive mail for is listed in the mydestination= line
21:49<Nivex>eg: -> mydestination =, ...
21:50<TimothyA>yay, works :)
21:50<TimothyA> do i associate specific users to specific domains?
21:51<Nivex>that's virtual domains
21:51<Nivex>if you google for "postfix virtual domains" there shoudl be some HOWTOs
21:52<TimothyA>this is all I really needed to know for now :)
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22:29<max>who is the admin?
22:30<path->the ones wiht @'s
22:30<path->@ for admin
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22:33<prepro_>hi, is there by any chance a member of the Linode Support Team available?
22:34<@linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
22:34<tjfontaine>and when they are they'll be able to help you faster
22:34<sungo>think of us all as deputized support team members.
22:34<prepro_>Well it's billing related, so I'd rather first get ahold of an @
22:34<path->if you need some immediate stuff, it might be better to file a ticket
22:34<sungo>we don't get paid but maybe we can help anyway :)
22:34<prepro_>Ok i'll just ask ! :)
22:35<prepro_>I just signed up for an account, but I am unable to login to the Member section
22:35<exor674>prepro_: they have to manually activate your account
22:35<prepro_>Now I can login
22:35*prepro_ sometimes stupidly impatient
22:35*prepro_ slaps himself
22:35<bd_>prepro_: someone was listening, perhaps ;)
22:35<sungo>So, they just activated your account :P
22:35<sungo>I did the same thing actually.
22:35<prepro_>No California yet ?
22:35<sungo>I tapped my fingers for 10 minutes then came in here.
22:35<bd_>Really, it should say "Your account is pending activation" or something :/
22:36<sungo>about 30 secs later, caker was all "I JUST ACTIVATED YOUR ACCOUNT> FFS"
22:36<bd_>prepro_: fremont's DC is out of power, apparently :/
22:36<prepro_>bd_: yeah, very unfortunate
22:36<prepro_>what would you recommend for somebody like me in California
22:36<prepro_>using it for personal usage
22:36<prepro_>which location that is
22:36<StevenK>prepro_: In lieu of Fremont, probably Dallas
22:36<bd_>prepro_: I had a linode in fremont for a while, and I live in maine, and cross-continent isn't /too/ bad
22:36<prepro_>roger, thanks
22:36<sungo>dallas is a great datacenter.
22:37<bd_>prepro_: atm 360s are only available in newark :/
22:37<prepro_>well it seems i can only chose Newark, NJ at NAC
22:37<sungo>which is also a fine datacenter :)
22:37<prepro_>i guess NAC is fine
22:37<bd_>540s are everywhere but fremont
22:37<jackc>nac is one of the best DCs in the US
22:37<prepro_>i've ran into some NAC folks in #nanog
22:37<prepro_>so ill chose it
22:37<bd_>prepro_: If you want to move to fremont when it's available, put in a ticket, and they can put you on a wait list
22:37<prepro_>oh, thats cool
22:37<prepro_>ill do that
22:38<prepro_>Where is FreeBSD selection :P
22:38<exor674>prepro_: linode :P
22:38<path->nac is nice.. if it really bugs, you can always file a ticket to migrate and they'll put you in a queue
22:39<StevenK>Wrong network :-P
22:39<tjfontaine>freenode is not free, try looking at some of their source code
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22:39<prepro_> ?
22:39<prepro_>sounds like we have a competitor
22:39<prepro_>ooh, domains available
22:39<bd_> <-- would work ? :P
22:39<prepro_>'s taken
22:39-!-Midicronica [] has joined #linode
22:39<jackc>set up a solaris host that gives out zones
22:39<jackc>id buy one
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22:40<prepro_>nah, too lazy
22:40<prepro_>ask linode to do it
22:40<StevenK> isn't taken.
22:40<path->i think there are some solaris hosting sites like that
22:40<bd_>StevenK: whois exists
22:40<bd_>solaris and at least one BSD work as domUs
22:40<path->linode's probably better though
22:40<jackc>path-: if you point me to one id love you
22:40<StevenK>bd_: Sure, since it's a squatter.
22:40<prepro_>how about: ?
22:40<jackc>path-: solaris has been doing it since the 80s, its WAY farther along
22:40<bd_>I hear they don't play well with LPM's image model or something, I don't know
22:41<path->just google for solaris vps
22:41<prepro_>oh gay
22:42<prepro_>i thought they did solaris
22:42<prepro_>based on the name
22:42*prepro_ keeps slapping himself
22:42<StevenK>A Solaris VPS would still since it still involves Solaris
22:42<StevenK>Er, still suck, even
22:43<jackc>if you hate solaris, then you dont know how to use it
22:45<prepro_>anyways guys
22:45<prepro_>i'm gonna head out from work
22:45<prepro_>a guy from work suggested linode, and i'm booted up now
22:45<prepro_>that was fast :)
22:45<prepro_>~10 minutes for the entire process including ordering
22:46<@tasaro>now you must tell someone
22:46<prepro_>i would also recommend, if somebody kick a note to Linode Staff, it would be nice to put up a standby page
22:46<bd_>Or they will summon the wolves
22:46<prepro_>if your account is waiting activation
22:46<bd_>note: tasaro is staff
22:46<Adam12>Wow. That ajaxTerm is sweet.
22:46<@tasaro>then we wouldn't get any new people in here
22:46<prepro_>Hi Tasaro, just a pointer up there. I was worried in the beginning I did something wrong :)
22:47<prepro_>tasaro: hehe, true :)
22:47<prepro_>ill be back though
22:47<prepro_>yes, the AjaxTerm is awesome too
22:47*prepro_ much appreciated
22:47<prepro_>see everyone later
22:47<bd_>tasaro: you could put an iframe with a CGI-IRC session inside on the standby page
22:47<prepro_>quit thx-everyone
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22:47<path->that would get annoying quick
22:48<tjfontaine>force them to join #linode but +q'd so we can abuse them
22:48<@linbot>path-: Newark360 - 19, Newark540 - 21, Newark720 - 14, Newark1080 - 12, Newark1440 - 8, Newark2880 - 4
22:48<path->that's like four this evening
22:48<bd_>"Join #linode and type !activate 34rr89ejwk342 to enable your account"
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22:49<exor674>Join #linode and type the following information
22:49<exor674>credit card number, mothers maiden name, hometown, first pet, social security number, bank account details
22:49<path->!activate l33td15c0unt5
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22:52<avongauss>I thought they all had new 3G iPhones and used the new Linode Activation App to activate new accounts.
22:54<bd_>Wouldn't said app then be purchasable on the itunes store/?
22:54<tjfontaine>no they have the enterprise program too
22:56<internat>oh god.
22:56<internat>we really are geeks.
22:56<avongauss>I'm not saying you're wrong, but what makes you say that?
22:57<internat>The idea of an iphone linode activation app..
22:57<path->who said it's an idea?
22:57<tjfontaine>I'm sure it's been discussed :)
22:57<internat>and now you know why my point stands.
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22:57<@caker>hell yeah it has :)
22:58<internat>how well does the linode members section render in an iphone?
22:58<avongauss>Sounds practical actually...
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23:00<internat>oh im glad im on holidays.. on that note i shall return.
23:00<Pyromancer>internat, the interface renders very well on an iphone actually
23:00<avongauss>He interrupts his vacation to get on IRC and check the #linode channel - he calls us geeks... ;)
23:01<internat>haha. my holidays is spent in this channel :P
23:01<internat>so is my work time :P
23:02<internat>i dont think id call it an interuption, id call it a way of life :P
23:02<internat>AND, i never said you were geeks, i said we all are :P
23:02*internat aways
23:07<avongauss>Internat needs a 3G iPhone with an IRC client and the TTY terminal app.
23:10<TheFirst>iphone/itouch terminal apps are near useless
23:10<exor674>the iPhone needs to accept bluetooth keyboards!
23:10<avongauss>I haven't tried it, but did hear they had one available. I would get an iPhone, but I can't bring myself yet to go back to AT&T for wireless.
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23:33*TofuMatt would like, though probably rarely use, a terminal app
23:34<TofuMatt>the potential for hilarious typos, as great as the iPhone's keyboard and correction facilities are... the potential for typos is just too large
23:35<exor674>TofuMatt: the iPhone almost made me tell my mom I was waiting for a hussy
23:35<TofuMatt>you think the iPhone is a hussy?
23:39<SeishinMoon>iPhone is win :D
23:40<robg>oh noes, linodes dns isn't patched :(
23:40<SeishinMoon>uh ohs
23:41<bd_> <-- leaked already too :/
23:43*avongauss depreciates the use of DNS in favor of direct IP addressing.
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23:49<internat>lol. A iphone witha term app would be kewl, but yeah, without the proper keybaord feedback i think it could be disasterous..
23:50<@linbot>det: Linode360 - 19, Linode540 - 29, Linode720 - 23, Linode1080 - 15, Linode1440 - 10, Linode2880 - 5
23:50<det>how do you get it to tell you locations?
23:50<internat>tbh, when i get an iphone, and that will probably be soon, im really looking for a portable email client.. But id love it if they would sort out the 3g modem business.. thats the other thing i want
23:50<@linbot>det: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
23:51<@linbot>internat: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 7, Dallas720 - 9, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
23:51<@linbot>internat: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
23:51<@linbot>internat: Newark360 - 19, Newark540 - 21, Newark720 - 14, Newark1080 - 12, Newark1440 - 8, Newark2880 - 4
23:51<@linbot>internat: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 1, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 3, Atlanta1440 - 2, Atlanta2880 - 1
23:51<det>How often are there 360 or 540s available in Fremont ?
23:51<internat>barely ever :(
23:52<charlie>i had one a few months ago
23:52<internat>i think at the moment they only come up when people leave? but you would have to confirm that with the admins.
23:52<charlie>moved to newark though
23:52<avongauss>I believe they are waiting for more power to become available in Fremont.
23:52<det>Why is Fremont the most popular?
23:52<Peng_>I doubt it is
23:52<Peng_>Well, define "popular".
23:52<internat>i like freemont cause its nice latancy to AU
23:52<StevenK>Me too
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23:53<charlie>fremont had the highest latency from minnesota for me
23:53*StevenK hugs his Fremont node
23:53<charlie>and newark had the lowest, so i went with newark
23:53<StevenK>charlie: Minnesota and Newark are extremly close, aren't they?
23:54<det>Is there a tool to test latencies? Or where can I get IPs to test manually ?
23:54<StevenK>And ping
23:54<charlie>det: ping
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23:54<charlie>you can get a list of the locations of the nameservers on some page, all the 4 name servers are at the different datacenters
23:55<det>I'll use links in that thread to ping, thanks.
23:55<StevenK>det: As in, open a terminal or command prompt and run 'ping'
23:55<charlie>!ping can haz latency?
23:56<det>I wonder why linode plans offer more for price than slicehost.
23:57<Peng_>Because Linode is awesomer than Slicehost?
23:57<Peng_>Slicehost is much newer. Maybe that has something to do with it.
23:58<charlie>you should see linode's plans when they first came out XP
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