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---Logopened Mon Aug 11 00:00:44 2008
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01:34<straterra>Tis quiet
01:34<rsdehart>somewhat, yeah
01:34<rsdehart>it's only been 2 hours since anyone's said anything :-)
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01:49<linbot>New news from forums: ssh over proxy ISA server. in General Discussion <>
01:53<MrRx7>I'm busy making a overly complex home network, for fun ofc
01:56<booja>I can't remember my forum password
01:56<booja>but someone needs to tell that guy that google really does work
01:56<booja>I found in the first click :/
01:58<MrRx7>looks like more pain than its worth
01:58*Peng_ eats a mint.
02:09<booja>depends on if you want access to your system or not
02:10<booja>I could have used this about 4 years ago when I was stuck in a restrictive network :)
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02:23<maqr>my newark is down
02:23<maqr>very frustrating
02:23<maqr>been having network problems all night i guess
02:23<maqr>and its back, kind of
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02:35<ijustam>mornin linoders
02:36<booja>you just am what
02:36<ijustam>i, just am
02:38<booja>you interweb therefore you am
02:38<booja>me fail english? that's unpossible!
02:38<ijustam>i bent my wookie :(
02:38<booja>you beat the smart kids though
02:39<ijustam>man im hungry
02:39*ijustam wants more sausage
02:40<ijustam>i broke my linode earlier
02:40<ijustam>i was doing some nano work
02:40<ijustam>i mis-typed and next thing i know my linode was rebooting
02:40<ijustam>yeah :|
02:42<booja>I really need to get something to blacklist people hammering ssh
02:44<Aero187>booja: fail2ban
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03:25<raistlinthewiz>any one aware of a mysql bug/my.cnf problem, mysql tops my cpu crazy
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04:04<Internat>god damm i hate stupid microsoft proxies.. cant tunnel ssh over stupid ntlm authenticated pos
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05:20<linbot>New news from forums: Django site - need to send emails - 100% newb in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
05:21*Peng_ hugs irssi.
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05:41<raistlinthewiz>my ubuntu lts, forks lots of /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
05:42<raistlinthewiz>and swaps to death
05:42<raistlinthewiz>anybody meet the issue before?
05:42*ijustam got nothin
05:42<raistlinthewiz>when apache gets a web request it starts forking & swapping to death
05:42<ijustam>i run neither ubuntu nor apache :\
05:42<fuzzie>well, it's normal for apache prefork to fork, obviously
05:42<raistlinthewiz>and my system gets non-response
05:42<raistlinthewiz>is it normal to fork +20
05:42<fuzzie>if you're swapping to death then it sounds more likely to be the scripts you're running?
05:43<fuzzie>i think the default is to fork 10 or so at startup, and then more for every request.
05:43<fuzzie>you can change that in the apache configuration, though.
05:44<fuzzie>or if you don't need php, swap to an apache setup which isn't mad.
05:44<raistlinthewiz>then ill check my php scripts
05:44<fuzzie>if you think apache itself is causing the memory problems then you might try lighttpd or similar, but it's more likely to be your scripts.
05:44<raistlinthewiz>can it be related with my maxclients setttings?
05:45<exor674>what is that set to?
05:45<raistlinthewiz>ill just check it
05:45<fuzzie>if you want to stop it from forking so much, then yes, reduce MaxClients.
05:46<raistlinthewiz> <IfModule mpm_prefork_module> StartServers 1 MinSpareServers 1 MaxSpareServers 5 MaxClients 64 MaxRequestsPerChild 4000 </IfModule>
05:46<raistlinthewiz>heres my config
05:46<fuzzie>MaxClients is high by default because forks are pretty lightweight, but not if they're serving iffy php scripts.
05:47<raistlinthewiz>and btw is perfork MPM or worker MPM better?
05:47<fuzzie>for php, you probably need prefork.
05:47<raistlinthewiz>MaxClients 64
05:48<raistlinthewiz>ill try a higher value
05:52<exor674>... higher would be bad
05:54<raistlinthewiz>mm some document says
05:54<raistlinthewiz>MaxClients ≈ (RAM - size_all_other_processes)/(size_apache_process)
05:57<exor674>and if you are thrashing, increasing it would be bad
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06:05<raistlinthewiz>lowered it to 25
06:05<raistlinthewiz>will try now
06:14<raistlinthewiz>one more question
06:14<raistlinthewiz>i have also many mysqld forked
06:14<raistlinthewiz>around +20
06:14<raistlinthewiz>is it normal also?
06:17<chesty>I'm guessing php isn't sharing mysql connects, but starting one per process
06:17<chesty>but that's a guess
06:21<raistlinthewiz>do you know a workaround then?
06:22<chesty>some libraries use connection pooling
06:33<MrRx7>well the work around would be to code in mysqli_close(); everytime
06:34<MrRx7>you'd still be internally DOS'ing your ever if it had extreme load but, I get pretty high traffic and I have yet to see any issues that were caused by the number of mysql connections
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06:41<Grant>Hey allllll
06:41<raistlinthewiz_>mm i can't seem to mount my newly created parttion
06:41<raistlinthewiz_>mount /dev/xvdc /mnt/yedek/
06:41<raistlinthewiz_>doesnt work
06:42<Dave>raistlinthewiz_: have you restarted your linode since creating it?
06:42<raistlinthewiz_>yep many times
06:42<chesty>raistlinthewiz: have you put a filesystem on it?
06:42<Dave>and have you added it to the profile?
06:42<raistlinthewiz_>checked the /dev to see if device exists
06:42<raistlinthewiz_>but it does not
06:43<Dave>sounds like its not added to the profile then
06:43<chesty>raistlinthewiz: dave is talking sense
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06:43<raistlinthewiz_>hmm ill check it once more
06:44<raistlinthewiz_>ill reinstall my ubuntu lts and this time ill use another disk for stroing my www & mysql data
06:45<Dave>thats ott...
06:45<Dave>over the top
06:46<Grant>So, I am curious, how to increase my java vm memory limit?
06:47<Dave>Grant: maybe?
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06:48<Dave> looks a better url tbh
06:48<Grant>Thanks, Dave
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06:50<tensai>hello, how long take to create user after payment?
06:50<Dave>tensai: its manually activated, you're going to need for them to wake up
06:51<Dave>its 6:50 now, so give them a couple of hours
06:52<tensai>right, CET vs EDT...
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08:16<kaon>Hello All.
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08:22<kaon>Hello All.
08:23<kaon>I have a question. Can someone please help.
08:23<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
08:25<kaon>i have setup CENTOS, i have installed Direct Admin on it.
08:26<kaon>I have shifted the database and files from the old host to here too.
08:26<kaon>but I dont know how to setup DNS related things so that my domains start working on my linode.
08:26<kaon>I am lost here.
08:26<kaon>I dont know anything on DNS and tried to search, read forums here but still couldnt figure it
08:27<DeepInTheFire>kaon: do you run your own DNS or do you have it hosted somewhere?
08:27<kaon>I understand that I need to register my name server with domain registrar so that and point to an ip address
08:28<kaon>DeepInTheFire: I dont know you mean. I can run DNS on my Linode. There is an option in Linode to manage DNS
08:28<kaon>my domains are with
08:28<DeepInTheFire>Ok better question do you use the DNS panel in direct admin?
08:29<MrRx7>to use linodes dns, you will need a domain via a domain registar
08:29<MrRx7>then you would point the domain's primary name servers to linodes name servers. you can go from there
08:29<MrRx7>or you can use a 3rd party like
08:30<MrRx7>and just do A records that point to your ip address
08:30<kaon>can i setup my own nameservers, like and
08:30<kaon>I would love to do that.
08:31<kaon>DNS panel in direct admin can be used too.
08:31<DeepInTheFire>kaon: you can but are you already using the DNS features in direct admin?
08:31<kaon>I havent configured any DNS in direct admin yet.
08:32<DeepInTheFire>kaon: can you tell us the domain and we can find out where your DNS currently lives
08:32<kaon>yes sure.
08:32<kaon>it is
08:32<kaon>current host did everything. That VPS is semi managed. But I want to learn and setup on linode.
08:33<DeepInTheFire>well it looks like it was run on your old host as your .com entry and ns1 entry are the same IP
08:33<kaon>let me tell you wat my current host did, he gave me TWO IP and then I went to namecheap and there registered name server ns1.pearlweb and ns2.pearlweb using those ips
08:35<kaon>then I updated my domain name records to point to ns1.pearlweb and ns2.pearlweb and then sites started working, like
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08:35<kaon>what do i have to do with linode?
08:36<DeepInTheFire>I would suggest using either the linode DNS manager or the DNS section of direct admin
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08:38<kaon>DNS Administration section of direct admin already has some records. So I guess it would be easy if I use it.
08:38<kaon>can you please tell me the steps that I should follow.
08:38<kaon>I guess I have to register ns1.pearlweb and ns2.pearlweb with my domain registrar with ip address? Correct?
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08:38<Hobbsee>kaon: i doubt people here tend to use direct admin - you'll probably need to refer to the help documents with it
08:39<DeepInTheFire>well if the IPs are correct for your linode then all you should need to do is go to namecheap and change your nameservers hosts/IPs
08:39<kaon>@Hobbsee: I dont need to use DA. I can use Linode DNS.
08:39<kaon>ok great.
08:39<kaon>i will try that
08:40<DeepInTheFire>and yes I have no idea what you should do exactly in Direct Admin and if you are looking for something specific on that you should go ask them
08:44<kaon>ok. Thanks.
08:44<kaon>Thanks for your time.
08:54<kaon>Thanks. Its working.
08:54<kaon>Thanks alot
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08:58<Mikef``>Morning guys :]
09:00*Hobbsee pops the bubblewrap
09:00*guinea-pig replaces the bubblewrap with fresh unpopped supply
09:01*DeepInTheFire plays a round of bubblewrap and scores 154 for a new highest score
09:01<fuzzie>pop pop pop.
09:02<guinea-pig>nicely done, DeepInTheFire!
09:03*guinea-pig replaces the bubblewrap one more time... Hobbsee, you're up!
09:03*Hobbsee pops madly
09:03*Hobbsee keeps popping, including popping the guy who insists that there are no stupid people.
09:04<guinea-pig>the winner is DeepInTheFire!!!
09:04<Mikef``>omg guys
09:04<Mikef``>u shoulda seen it friday
09:05<guinea-pig>i saw many its friday
09:05<Mikef``>we got so much bubblewrap in at work..its crazy..loads and loads :o
09:05<guinea-pig>pffft, that's nothing
09:05<Mikef``>Is too :{
09:05<guinea-pig>i had to unload a trailer full of peanuts
09:08*Mikef`` gots Kubtuntu working :o
09:08<Mikef``>it doesnt come with games tho like Ubuntu does..that or I can't find them >.>
09:08<Mikef``>My internets been down for like over a week :[
09:09<guinea-pig>kubuntu is exactly the same as ubuntu, just with a different set of starting packages installed
09:09<guinea-pig>you can choose to install the exact same things from the repositories
09:09<DeepInTheFire>I am sure that if you ask apt it will use its supercow powers and will find you some games
09:09<Mikef``>It didn't have games >.<
09:09<StevenK>It does
09:09<Mikef``>I know DeepInTheFire, but i dont gots internet to use apt >.<
09:09<StevenK>I know this, since kubuntu-desktop pulls them in
09:09<Mikef``>Mayb they have games on the cd?
09:10<Mikef``>that u can set as a repo or something :X
09:11<Hobbsee>install kdegames
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09:17<HoopyCat>tell me have you seeeen the marvelous brrreadfish?
09:22<Mikef``>Hobbsee: thanks *adds to todo.txt* :D
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09:23<kaki>hey all
09:23<kaki> have some stupid question:)
09:23<Mikef``>Morning kai :]
09:23<Mikef``>Ask away :d
09:23<kaki>how can I backup a directory using rsync that next time it will only backup new files?
09:24<kaki>and not overwrite the whole directory
09:24<HoopyCat>kaki: by default, rsync will do that
09:24<kaki>for sure?
09:25<kaki>will rsync remove files (next backup) which is not in the directory?
09:25<HoopyCat>kaki: it's like askin' steak and shake if their burgers and milkshakes are good... rsync is famous for the Delta-Transfer Algorithm :-)
09:25<HoopyCat>kaki: it can, if you specify --delete
09:26<HoopyCat>kaki: the man page is a good read
09:26<kaki>a last question
09:26<kaki>I know but you are better
09:26<Hobbsee>kaki: more than one word per line?
09:26<kaki>rsync will be done by crontab and I would like to get email notification when the backup is finished
09:27<HoopyCat>kaki: you can add some amount of verbosity, which will spit stuff to stdout... cron will then mail the output to you
09:28*caker replaces you with a very small shell script
09:28<HoopyCat>Don't know how to make love. Stop.
09:29<Mikef``>Idk if that helps or not, but I tried :$
09:29<kaki>lets see
09:30*Mikef`` crosses fingers :x
09:31<m0>I am considering moving to a different node
09:31<kaki>I think there is smth easier
09:31<m0>newark is really jumpy
09:31<Mikef``>Its too hard?
09:31<Isvara>Whoa. NITI got bought by IBM?
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09:33<Mikef``>Morning jm.
09:33<kaki>mikef: no but I didnt want to run a script
09:34<Mikef``>kaki: oic..well it uses crontab and crontab works good for me >.<
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09:36<Mikef``>Well unless rsync has that feature built in, wouldnt you have to d o this? o.O
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09:36<Mikef``>Morning meff
09:39<HoopyCat>reverse incremental backups? it backs up only the stuff that hasn't changed? :-)
09:39*HoopyCat looks at the mail spool and the collection of backup tapes and hmmms, a powerpoint presentation forming in his mind...
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09:46<raistlinthewiz>i've tracked down my problem to mysql
09:46<raistlinthewiz>the mysql just eats my memory on
09:46<raistlinthewiz>linode 360
09:46<raistlinthewiz>after first web page hit, it just eats my all memory
09:47<raistlinthewiz>anyone running mysql on his linode360?
09:47<raistlinthewiz>i tried but can't start the mysqlserver
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09:50<raistlinthewiz>anyone hit the issue alrady?
09:50<Nivex><3 rdiff-backup
09:50*StevenK <3's duplicity
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09:50*cruxeternus <3's rsnapshot
09:53<linbot>cruxeternus: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
09:53*Mikef`` <3's linbot
09:54*cruxeternus <3's popping BubbleWrap.
09:55*Mikef`` doesnt >.>
09:55*TJF_ <3's bacon
09:56<Mikef``>bacons <33
09:57*Mikef`` might be getting internet soon :D
09:57<Dave>we still havent got rid of Mikef`` :(
09:57<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: i'm running mysqld without any problems oncesoever
09:57<Dave>raistlinthewiz: how big is your database, and how insane are your queries for that to be happening/
09:58<Mikef``>we still havent gotton rid of Dave :[
10:02<Nivex>alright you two, take it outside
10:02<Mikef``>Didn't you hear Dave...caker promoted me to the Linode getting rid of me now :D
10:02<Mikef``>Dw Nivex :P
10:02<raistlinthewiz>hoppycat are you on linode 360?
10:02<raistlinthewiz>and which distro u use?
10:03<raistlinthewiz>dave; im just running wordpress
10:03<Mikef``>Don't worry* :d
10:03<raistlinthewiz>at least try to run
10:03<raistlinthewiz>i moved from a shared host where the queries and wordpress was fine
10:03<raistlinthewiz>but here the mysql just gets crazy
10:03<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: i've got two 360's, one with centos, one with ubuntu. plus a physical machine with 256mb of RAM a few feet from me which... actually, isn't running mysql.
10:03<raistlinthewiz>so your ubuntu runs mysql or?
10:04*TJF_ runs mysql
10:05<Dave>raistlinthewiz: honestly, a wordpress database should not be killing a mysql database... tried a fresh database and seeing what happens?
10:05<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: yep. i'm reasonably sure a nontrivial number of people are running mysql on 360's
10:05<raistlinthewiz>ill give it a try now a fresh wordpress
10:05<raistlinthewiz>ill see what happens
10:05<TJF_>if tjfontaine was here he'd ask what the logs tell you
10:05<Dave>wow, my sentance didnt make much sense
10:05<Nivex>does Wordpress have an SQLite mode?
10:07<Nivex>superb :)
10:08<Nivex>hmm, I _assume_ that 2 years passing means it's actually working, but I can't find any proof of that
10:09<raistlinthewiz>s it safe to use myisam instead of innodb?
10:09<raistlinthewiz>i read about that innodb consumes memory
10:09<Dave>innodb is better for transactional shit, you will most likely want myisam
10:10<row>myisam for basic non relational databases otherwise most likely innodb is what you want.
10:10<Mikef``>Anybody here use dyndns on windows?
10:10<row>myisam does not have enforced referential integrity
10:10<Dave>row: I find innodb quite slow#
10:10<row>where as innodb does
10:11<Mikef``>actually, nm..imma get insulted. :X
10:11<Dave>especially on large databases
10:11<row>Dave: what do you call large?
10:11<row>Maybe badly designed db?
10:11<Dave>lots of data
10:11<raistlinthewiz>myisams suits for wordpress?
10:11<Dave>thousands of rows
10:11<row>I don't have any nutty dbs to comment on I will be honest, but I have never noticed any issues on current innodbs
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10:12<Dave>I have one :)
10:12<row>But yeah I only use innodb for transactions/enforced refs
10:12<Mikef``>Morning jcn
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10:12<Dave>It was innodb, and querys were taking 30 seconds +, converted to myisam, and got it down to < 1 second
10:12<Mikef``>Morning bliblok
10:12<bliblok>Morning all
10:12<row>Also innodb does not do full text indexes don't forget
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10:12<row>another con
10:12<row>but anyway
10:12<Mikef``>Morning prae :o
10:13<Dave>if the data is important, and you are doing a lot of inserts/updates, I would say innodb, otherwise just go for myisam
10:13*Mikef`` bbs
10:13<row>Dave: imo all data is important :P
10:13<Dave>row: on a wordpress install nothing is important ;)
10:13<row>I am sure some wordpress users would say otherwise.
10:14<Dave>they would be mistaken!
10:14<Nivex>bloggers are interesting creatures
10:14<raistlinthewiz>so if i say skip-innodb in my.cnf
10:14<raistlinthewiz>mysql will use myisam?
10:14<raistlinthewiz>by default?
10:14<row>it uses myisam by default anyway
10:14<row>innodb will block innodb full stop afiak
10:15<row>skipping innodb wont increase performance
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10:15<row>if that is your worry, if your table type is myisam having innodb enabled wont make a difference
10:16<Nivex>but it will prevent inno from chewing up memory and disk space
10:16*Mikef`` wants a blog :{
10:17<cruxeternus>#linode isn't good enough for you?
10:17<Nivex>Mikef``:, blogspot, etc...
10:17<Mikef``>No i just mean it would be nice to have :S
10:17<row>I am sure I would never be arsed to write in one
10:17<Mikef``>Nivex: I would rather host my own :o
10:17<Nivex>Mikef``: so what's stopping you?
10:18<Mikef``>Nivex: dunno how :[
10:18<Mikef``>Got any good links for me? xD
10:18<cruxeternus>Nivex: Laziness is stopping him. :P
10:18<Nivex>romeo tango foxtrot mike
10:18<row>er I don't know how to respond to that
10:18<row>you have a server yet you don't know how to set up a website?
10:18<row>suppose you need to start somewhere.
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10:19<Nivex>row: we don't know that Mikef`` actually has a linode.
10:19<row>this is very true.
10:19<raistlinthewiz>i freash install mysql then try to use the but it just fails
10:19<row>and server != linode
10:19<Dave>Mikef``: doesnt have a linode
10:19<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: what happens when you don't use and just use the default?
10:19<row>it could be a normal machine
10:19<Dave>raistlinthewiz: define fails
10:20<raistlinthewiz>default cnf
10:20<raistlinthewiz>makes my linode swap to death
10:20<Mikef``>Nivex: its okay..i wasnt asking for help ffs
10:20<raistlinthewiz>apache starts not responding because of mysql swaps swaps ..
10:20<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: considering my.cnf is more than four years old, i'd not expect it to work without some manual adjusting
10:20<Mikef``>Ill figure it out eventually :X
10:20<Dave>raistlinthewiz: have you done something silly like not allocated all availible memory in your linode config?
10:20<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: pastebin the output of "ps auxwww" ?
10:20<Nivex>Mikef``: what did I say about XD?!
10:20<Nivex>!lart Mikef``
10:20*linbot tosses the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch at Mikef``
10:21<raistlinthewiz>i alloctaed all memory to my linode
10:21*Mikef`` googles holy hand grenade lart
10:22<raistlinthewiz>sec ill give pastebin for ps auxwww
10:22<Mikef``>ic :s
10:23<Mikef``>Nivex: you said rtfm and i said its okay i wasnt asking for help lol
10:24<Nivex>lol how do i ignore someone XD
10:24<Mikef``>Nivex: /silent +host/nick
10:24<Dave> /ignore nick works for me
10:24<Dave>on irssi
10:25*Nivex apparently fails at humor
10:25<HoopyCat>i am serious hoopycat. this is serious #linode.
10:25<Nivex>HoopyCat: Well played, sir.
10:25<Mikef``>HoopyCat: wtf??
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10:27<tobin>Hi all. I received a support ticket saying that I had a botnet controller on my linode. I do not have recent backups, and I am worried about losing info. I have set my linode to single user mode and logged in via lish. i also remounted to read/write using: mount -o remount,rw / (however I am not sure why I need to do this other than I was told to do so :) ) I am very new to all this and would love some help.
10:27<Nivex>Mikef``: You are clearly meme deficient. Please go acquire some culture.
10:27<Mikef``>Nivex: o.O
10:27*Mikef`` googles
10:27*Nivex headdesks
10:28*Mikef`` too
10:28-Nivex:#linode-Mikef`` is now shitlisted
10:28<cruxeternus>hah, nice script
10:28<fuzzie>tobin: Well, you ought to be able to backup from there.
10:29<Toba_>i approve
10:29<HoopyCat>tobin: what sort of info are you looking to save?
10:29<tobin>Everything from my original linode
10:30<Dave>tobin: which is what? http docs? database? anything else?
10:30<tobin>no, that should do it
10:30<cruxeternus>might be easiest to boot into a Finnix Rescue profile, and rsync everything off it
10:30<Dave>most stuff you can just copy off, I think to get mysql tables, you will need to start mysql, though I may be wrong on that
10:30<tobin>I am mostly worried about a blog and forum I have on my linode
10:31<bliblok>tobin: You may want to consider backuping everything you explicitly need to another computer, and reinstall the linode from scratch.
10:31<HoopyCat>tobin: the rule of thumb is that anything executable should be considered tainted and shouldn't be transferred over or executed on the "fresh" system
10:31<TJF_>needs moar security
10:31<cruxeternus>your rule of thumb is my matter of life or death
10:32<Dave>you probably want to upgrade your forum and blog scripts too
10:32<JasonF>I wouldn't trust any of the php code (blogs, forums, etc) without them being specifically checked for maliciousness
10:33<HoopyCat>doing a dump of the database (mysqldump or pg_dump or whatever your database engine uses), transferring that elsewhere, then installing/reconfiguring the stuff you need from scratch and restoring the database dump should usually do it
10:33<Mikef``>I made a php counter the other day :D
10:33<Mikef``>Its pretty cool :o
10:34<tobin>Thanks. How would I boot into Finnix. Do I just change device /dev/ubda to Finnix?
10:34<fuzzie>One thing you can do is do the backup and then resize the disk image to the smallest possible size, then install into a new disk image, so you can make sure your new install works for you with your backups before deleting the old data.
10:34<cruxeternus>No, create a new Configuration Profile, with the Finnix root, kernel, and initrd. Then add your partitions as secondary partitions to the profile.
10:35<tobin>I have resized the original to about half, so there is room
10:36<Hobbsee>Nivex: actually, we know that Mikef`` *doesn't* have a linode.
10:36<fuzzie>You can mount the old disk image from a new install, also; but it's not a good idea to copy anything but your databases, since as people have said, your scripts/executables might be infected.
10:36<cruxeternus>!vote Mikef`` off the island
10:37<Nivex>Hobbsee: oh well. problem is solved. Just makes me wish real life had such an efficient /ignore :)
10:37<tobin>for run level, do I need to do init=/bin/bash again?
10:37<fuzzie>tobin: Not for Finnix, no.
10:37<Hobbsee>Nivex: indeed. i wish bip had an ignore, too :(
10:38<raistlinthewiz>hey hoppycat:
10:38<raistlinthewiz>here it is
10:38<tobin>and do I need a swap Image for /dev/ubdb?
10:38<Dave>that looks like a lot of apache processes
10:39<cruxeternus>tobin: it wouldn't hurt
10:39<raistlinthewiz>its default config for apache
10:39*Mikef`` sighs
10:39<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: that doesn't look THAT bad... what does free say?
10:40<raistlinthewiz>root@lichking:/var/www/ free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 360 355 4 0 0 19 -/+ buffers/cache: 335 25 Swap: 511 128 383
10:41<JasonF>Don't feed the trolls, my friends. If an @ wants Mikef`` gone, they'll make him gone.
10:41<JasonF>Use /ignore liberally rather than giving him more ammunition.
10:42<straterra>Newark ftl
10:42<Nivex>JasonF! as I live and breathe. How's VA?
10:42<cruxeternus>straterra: again???
10:42<TJF_>uh oh
10:42<JasonF>And, by the way, there's not a need to /notice the channel when you /ignore someone.
10:42<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: i'd advise poking at the server pool size settings in httpd.conf
10:42<straterra>Again? Constantly
10:42<JasonF>Nivex: it's OK. It's not NC, but the company I'm working for is good.
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10:42<Mikef``>JasonF: stop calling me a troll.
10:43<raistlinthewiz>1 sec
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10:43<Mikef``>and JasonF, I've been pretty productive lately.
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10:45<raistlinthewiz>is this also normal?
10:45<Bishop>I got a strange problem. I was trying to login to my server, so I used lish through putty but screwed up the password on the system itself the first time. Now it won't accept any input to put in the user name. AJAX is acting the same way. btw, I can ssh into it just fine but I haven't set up user root ssh so thats a no go. Any way to reset the lish console or am I just going to have to reboot the server from the linode page to reset th
10:46<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: i'd say you've got a forkapalooza goin' on over there.
10:46<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: how much traffic are you handling, and do the logs say anything interesting?
10:46<Bishop>next to no traffic and I can't access the logs because I don't have root ssh setup.
10:47<Nivex>Bishop: unless you set up sudo, resetting the root pw requires a reboot
10:47<TJF_>Bishop: reboot
10:47<Bishop>it's got to be a tty/lish problem.
10:47<JasonF>Bishop: if you can't use the box, you should reboot
10:47<JasonF>you lose all the benefits of not rebooting when the system is completely broken
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10:49<Bishop>damn, that was weird. I was logged in through lish so I should have seen the shutdown message but there was nothing till it came back up and did the kernel checks.
10:49<raistlinthewiz>not much
10:49<raistlinthewiz>its just forks when my blogs main page is hit
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10:52<raistlinthewiz>ill try centos
10:52<JasonF>changing distros
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10:52<JasonF>won't fix your problem
10:53<tobin>so now I have 2 Configuration Profiles (My Centos 5.0 Profile, and Recovery - Finnix) and 3 Disk Images (256 Swap Image, Centos Disk Image, and my backup). What do I need to do to get the essential files backed up?
10:53<JasonF>you have to learn how to properly admin a linux system
10:53<raistlinthewiz>it maybe because of specific versions i use jason
10:53<JasonF>linode is unmanaged, and if you don't know how to manage it, you should either learn or find a managed service
10:53<raistlinthewiz>so işlll change if so
10:53<HoopyCat>raistlinthewiz: it sounsd like there might be some config settings that need adjusted to make things work right... you might want to see if the wordpress folks have any advice for running it in low-memory situations
10:54<fuzzie>tobin: you're going to want to boot into finnix, mount your disk image, and then get your files out somehow - you can use rsync within finnix, or temporarily install an ssh/web server, or etc. but we probably can't walk you through it all.
10:54<TJF_>raistlinthewiz: hang in there, it's probably something simple
10:55<raistlinthewiz>yep tjf
10:55<HoopyCat>every day is exactly the same / every day is exactly the same / there is no love here and there is no pain / every day is exactly the same
10:57<pcc>recently changed my reverse dns but hasn't propagated to the dns server (checked with dig +trace), how long does it usually take?
10:57<tobin>I understand. Thanks for the help!
10:57<Dave>pcc: several hours
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10:58<raistlinthewiz>TJF_ found something?
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10:59<TJF_>raistlinthewiz: ?
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11:00<raistlinthewiz><TJF_> raistlinthewiz: hang in there, it's probably something simple
11:00<TJF_>just past experience :)
11:00<TJF_>i'm using mysql and apache2 with no problems
11:01<raistlinthewiz>with ubuntu lts?
11:01<raistlinthewiz>actually i have runned with debian with noproblems but ubuntu lts its somewhat weird
11:02<JasonF>It's just a matter of getting it tweaked.
11:02<Dave>raistlinthewiz: that looks severly wrong for all of your swap and ram to be used like that
11:02<JasonF>Those setups are just really generic things, and you have to configure it properly for a low-ram environment.
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11:02<raistlinthewiz>jasonf i tried fucking lots of tweaks but no change somehow
11:03<JasonF>did you restart the services?
11:03<raistlinthewiz>i know how to ;)
11:03<JasonF>I'd reccomend looking at a few places:
11:03<TJF_>i wonder if it's a wordpress setting causing it to loop out
11:03<JasonF>are you running wordpress?
11:04<JasonF>raistlinthewiz: you should install wp-cache.
11:04<JasonF>step 1: install wp-cache
11:04<raistlinthewiz>tried it
11:04<JasonF>google should be able to tell you how
11:04<raistlinthewiz>actually tried wp-super-cache
11:04<raistlinthewiz>no change
11:04<JasonF>okay, install it, leave it installed
11:04<JasonF>you gotta attack it from multiple places :)
11:05<JasonF>step 2: edit your apache2 config, set startservers to something like 5 and maxclients to something like 30
11:05<JasonF>make sure you're editing the proper section for the forking model you're using
11:05<raistlinthewiz>tied also
11:05<JasonF>(most likely prefork)
11:05<raistlinthewiz>m using the perfork
11:05<JasonF>now, edit your /etc/mysql/my.cnf
11:05<JasonF>and knock down all the ram usages
11:05<chesty>if it was me, i would disable all wordpress plugins, even install a blank, clean wordpress
11:05<JasonF>to something extremely small
11:06<raistlinthewiz>disabled all the plugins
11:06<raistlinthewiz>jason done it also tried both inndb and myisam
11:06<TJF_>if it was me i'd use blogger :P
11:06<JasonF>raistlinthewiz: okay.
11:06<JasonF>raistlinthewiz: pastebin your my.cnf
11:06<raistlinthewiz>anyway im alrady yum updating my new centos
11:06<JasonF>and pastebin a "ps aux"
11:06<raistlinthewiz>y latest was
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11:08<JasonF>that actually looks pretty good
11:08<JasonF>raistlinthewiz: output of free -m?
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11:09<raistlinthewiz>root@lichking:/var/www/ free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 360 355 4 0 0 19 -/+ buffers/cache: 335 25 Swap: 511 128 383
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11:10<JasonF>you're really close to having it tweaked out well. I certainly wouldn't give up now.
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11:26<Bishop>anyone know a good openvpn tutorial with use with linode and a second ip?
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11:26<Dave>Bishop: any openvpn tutorial would do
11:26<Dave>but alas I know of none, try google?
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11:27<Bishop>I found a couple on there but I thought maybe someone had a recomendation.
11:27<JasonF>Bishop: I don't know of one, but I've been tempted to do that mysel
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11:30<wilyOoOoO>is there some way to subscribe to a feed for datacenter availability? or have the bot do a private message if we "subscribe" to it for that announcement?
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11:31<bliblok>wilyOoOoO: The recommended method I believe is to buy a linode at another datacenter, then submit a ticket to have it moved.
11:32<JasonF>wilyOoOoO: yeah, what bliblok said. Just buy the linode now, and immediately file a ticket to get moved into the first open slot at the other dc
11:32<JasonF>just don't fall in love with your IP, it'll change
11:32<wilyOoOoO>the only IP I ever feel in love with was a .0
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11:32<wily>I ran the DNS allocation and had a route that spanned a class C assigned
11:32<wily>it was a 100% valid IP
11:33<wily>but it was funny to see some routers throw it away as an invalid source address
11:33<Nivex>wily: a /23 or the like?
11:33<wily>I couldn't access the USPS site because of that
11:33<wily>Nivex: yeah, I think it was quite a bit bigger than that... our new /18 from ARIN IIRC
11:33<Nivex>wait... he lolz'ed without being prompted
11:34<wily>I made a /22 or /23 of that for our DSL subscribers, part of which was static :)
11:34<JasonF>Nivex: /ignore anyone lately?
11:34<Peanu1>Do I need to use BIND or will the DNS manager suffice?
11:34<Nivex>JasonF: right
11:34<JasonF>wily: we always purposefully blacklisted .0, .1, and .255 addresses
11:34*Nivex thwaps himslef
11:34<JasonF>even when valid
11:34<wily>JasonF: how rude
11:34<JasonF>wily: I mean as dhcp/static for our users
11:34<Peng_>Peanu1: Am I missing some backlog? The DNS manager is quite powerful, but you may need to run your own DNS server depending on your needs.
11:35<JasonF>not as incoming blocking
11:35<wily>JasonF: oh, not at your routers though?
11:35<JasonF>i.e. we had like a /22
11:35<Peanu1>Peng_: oh ok, thanks
11:35<wily>yeah and you'd break it up into /24s effectively
11:35<JasonF>and we didn't give out .0, .1, or .255
11:35<JasonF>we didn't break it up
11:35<JasonF>we just didn't give out the "weird looking" addresses
11:35<wily>yeah, I follow
11:36<wily>it probably saved you some headaches
11:36<JasonF>it was internal only
11:36<JasonF>but we did it when we had a user go "wtfbbq" when they got a .1
11:36<wily>Bishop/Dave I've got our OpenVPN docs that we use here, they are more geared towards the VPN back into our office, but they may have enough info to get you there
11:37<wily>since they are mediawiki I can post them to the community wiki... lemme check licenses
11:37<wily>any suggestions on where those could go?
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11:37<wily>I've wanted to refactor them a bit... but it does cover bridge setup
11:37<HoopyCat>wily: that's what SHE said
11:38<HoopyCat>... i'll go back to idling now
11:38<wily>which is what I think we use to get our colo to office bridge
11:40<Dave>wily: just stick it under tricks and tips?
11:40<Dave>tbh that wiki needs a good reorganising
11:41<wily>Dave: yeah that looks reasonable enough
11:42<wily>you need it right this minute or will it be of use to you this afternoon?
11:42<wily>I've got to clean out a few hostnames and stuff before making it public
11:42<Bishop>wow, thanks wily
11:42<Dave>wily: I dont need it at all :)
11:42<wily>no copyright on the wiki eh?
11:42<wily>Bishop: same question as above :P
11:43<Bishop>I would love it if I could get your info. I don't know where it should go though.
11:43<wily>any staffers want to comment on intended copyright for the wiki? just attribution share alike? public domain? GFDL?
11:43<wily>Bishop: I think Dave is right, under tips and tricks
11:43<wily>pending movement after some kind of reorg effect
11:43<wily>good enough for now
11:43<wily>how much RAM is there on a 360?
11:43<Bishop>sound good to me.
11:44<wily>really? is that what the numbers mean?
11:44<wily>god I'm dense some times
11:44<Bishop>we all have our days.
11:44<Dave>there doesnt appear to be any licensing, but I would imagine its the creative common one or something similar
11:45<wily>Dave: yeah I noticed
11:45<wily>I'm just a stickler for those kinds of things and it'd be minimal effort on linodes part
11:45<wily>assuming there isn't some infighting regarding licenses
11:45<wily>you know how nerds and their licenses can get
11:45<wily>*cough* ESR *cough*
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11:47<Peng_>I hope you have a license for that gun. :)
11:47*Peng_ hides.
11:48*cruxeternus attaches another tracking device to Peng_
11:48<Bishop>nope, but the extra ammo makes up for it.
11:49<sd122>So hypothetically if I lost my root password and couldn't get in, even with console access, can the linode support team reset my root password or transfer my files to a new instance?
11:49<cruxeternus>The Linode Manager has a tool to reset the root password.
11:49<wily>you could add space and another distro and pull the files that way
11:49<HoopyCat>sd122: you can reset your root password on a non-running system through the dashboard
11:49<wily>or that
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11:49<wily>making it easy and stuff
11:49<sd122>thanks guys
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12:01<sd122>Do any of you guys use an encrypted filesystem using dm-crypt? Is the dm-crypt kernel module available with the Linode Xen instance?
12:01<sd122>Not for booting, just for data.
12:02<Battousai>looks like it
12:02<sd122>thanks Battousai
12:02<wily>Login successful
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12:02<wily>trying to setup and account on the wiki :|
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12:03<wily>I imagine someone knows since the login prompt when you try to create gives an error
12:03<wily>and it gives you the username and password to use
12:03<wily>odd stuffs
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12:11<linbot>New news from wiki: Main Page <>
12:12<bd_>sd122: if you supply an initrd it'd probably work for boot as well
12:12<bd_>wily: the password popup is an antispam measure
12:13<wily>bd_: I gathered, it's more confusing than a captcha though
12:13<wily>just odd, but whatever :)
12:14<wily>edit mercilessly and refactor at will
12:15<bd_>wily: simpler to set up, and apparently effective :)
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12:17<linbot>New news from wiki: OpenVPN <>
12:19<Bishop>thank you wily, you are a god send.
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12:28<ugarit>my centos5 bash session seem to time out after a few minutes of inactivity. how do I resolve this?
12:28<wily>Bishop: just make sure to update it with whatever you figure out?
12:28<wily>screen would probably do it
12:29<wily>spinner almost certainly would
12:29<@caker>ugarit: turn keepalives on in your ssh client, and in the ssh server
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12:30<wily>PuTTY has an option for it too
12:30<wily>on the client side of things
12:33<Peanu1>Can I host hardcore porn on my Linode?
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12:34<ugarit>caker: what's the diff between keepalive and tcpkeepalive?
12:35<ugarit>do I need to set clientaliveinterval to 60?
12:36<sd122>Does anyone have an IP in Atlanta or Freemont that I could get ping times from? Trying to figure out which would serve as best backup for dallas.
12:36<@caker>sd122: --^
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12:38<sd122>thanks guys
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12:42<r3z`>hehe noone answered Peanu1
12:42<Peanu1>I'll take it as a yes
12:42<fubarza>hi guys, wondering if somebody can help me. my linode is running centos 5 and i installed the development tools and development group which removed my kernel and installed a kernel from the centos repos. is it possible i can get the linode kernel back?
12:42<markvandenborre>why would I deliberately allocate less memory to my linode than what I could give it?
12:43<Peng_>markvandenborre: Masochism? :)
12:43<markvandenborre>I don't see the use of that option in the control panel
12:43<@caker>markvandenborre: testing?
12:43<Bdragon>fubarza: Doesn't matter, the linode kernel doesn't live in the filesystem anyway.
12:43*caker shrugs
12:43<wily>markvandenborre: simulating a really weak host
12:43<fubarza>ah ok
12:43<markvandenborre>yeah, I guess :)
12:43<Peng_>Peanu1: Sure, as long as you don't break the law, or spam people with it or crash your host or something.
12:43<Peng_>Peanu1: See the ToS.
12:43<fubarza>so i can safely reboot my linode?
12:43<Bdragon>fubarza: Yep
12:43*cruxeternus unsafely reboots his linode.
12:44<fubarza>Bdragon: thanks
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12:55<TIBSlaptop><TIBSlaptop> linode
12:55<TIBSlaptop><TIBSlaptop> is crap
12:55<TIBSlaptop><TIBSlaptop> use
12:55<TIBSlaptop><TIBSlaptop> better
12:56<cruxeternus>Nice advertising.
12:56<cruxeternus>Having trouble getting customers, I take it?
12:56<TIBSlaptop>just linode staff
12:56<TIBSlaptop>are all rude
12:56<cruxeternus>You must be, to be joining this channel and spamming.
12:57<cruxeternus>And you would be the first person to *ever* complain about Linode staff being "rude"/.
12:57<TIBSlaptop>ok that dont makesnese
12:57<Battousai>i did sneeze actually
12:57<@caker>TIBSlaptop: who was rude to you?
12:58<Peng_>I don't think anyone minds if you're rude to spammers. :)
12:58<Isvara>Cor! I could get a 64MB VPS.
12:58<TIBSlaptop>ang on
12:58<TIBSlaptop>scrolling back
12:59<TIBSlaptop><Hobbsee> they charge your credit card, each month?
12:59<TIBSlaptop><Hobbsee> did you see paypal on that list?
12:59<bd_>Hobbsee isn't staff.
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12:59<TIBSlaptop>comments like that
12:59<Battousai>Hobbsee is not staff, and i can't see much rudeness in that context
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12:59<TIBSlaptop>theres more
12:59<pbryan>Quick poll for Linode users: Lightweight web server .lighttpd, nginx, or ___?
12:59<Battousai>pbryan: lighty
12:59<Mikef``>lol..that minivds site stinks xD
12:59<sd123>Anyone have a WHT coupon code?
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12:59<TIBSlaptop>its the fact i was asking a question and he was being quite bitchy about nit
12:59<Battousai>(personal preference)
13:00<Mikef``>u get like no ram >.>
13:00<@caker>TIBSlaptop: just for the record, only those with @s are staff members.
13:00<bd_>no ram = your neighbors are swapping like mad = IO? What IO?
13:00<Peng_>pbryan: I happen to use Lighttpd, but I'm sure Nginx is worth checking out too.
13:00<Battousai>for heavyweight, i prefer apache
13:00<pbryan>Battousai: Are you disheartened by the when-will-it-ever-release 1.5 release?
13:00<Isvara>64MB RAM, 1GB disk space, 300MHz CPU. Hi, 1994 called -- it wants its servers back!
13:01<Peng_>pbryan: They're working on 2.0 too now. :D
13:01<Battousai>pbryan: not really, since i don't use it for much anymore
13:01<TIBSlaptop>i got my own hosting company
13:01*fuzzie throws a low-power embedded box at Isvara.
13:01<cruxeternus>TIBSlaptop: Only caker, tasaro, jadoba, and mikegrb are staff. The rest of us are sometimes a bit unstable. :P
13:01<pbryan>Peng_: I know! A complete rewrite without 1.5 release seems like the death of Lightty.
13:01<TIBSlaptop>and ive never had any problems with with my current provider
13:01<Battousai>it's open source
13:01<Battousai>no open source project has ever died
13:01<TIBSlaptop>but i was looking into linode
13:02<cruxeternus>Battousai: They only fade away.
13:02<Battousai>except freebsd
13:02<pbryan>It just quietly went into a dusty corner...
13:02<Battousai>freebsd is certainly dead
13:02<TIBSlaptop>but i was happy with the reply i got
13:02<bd_>Isvara: I'm coding for a 22mHz CPU with 512kb of RAM. You've got it easy :)
13:02<Isvara>fuzzie: Can I keep that?
13:02<cruxeternus>Battousai: Wait, I gotta call Netcraft to check.
13:02<fuzzie>Isvara: noooo. :(
13:02<Battousai>bd_: arm?
13:02<Peng_>pbryan: It is a bit worrying, but I'm sure it won't be the death.
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13:02<bd_>Battousai: a Z80 variant
13:02<Donovan>Hey, setting up SPF. In the DNS Manager, TXT record, is the Name field just for my purposes only and everything goes into the Value field? (v=spf1 a mx ~all)
13:02<fuzzie>i think bd_'s life would be infinitely better if it were arm.
13:02<bd_>I wish it was arm
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13:03<Peng_>Donovan: I think the name field is for the subdomain.
13:03<Battousai>they don't make arms that slow anymore ;)
13:03<TIBSlaptop>caker if i was u , i would get rid of cos he is not gonna get u customers acting like that...
13:03<bd_>"General purpose registers? Whassat?"
13:03<Isvara>I grew up on ARM. It's super lovely.
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13:03<fuzzie>I grew up on 286 protected mode. Twisted forever. :(
13:03<bd_>I would kill for a second accumulator :|
13:03<Isvara>Child abuse.
13:03<Isvara>bd_: What are you using?
13:04<bd_>(HL' doesn't count)
13:04<pbryan>fuzzie: heh
13:04<Isvara>Oh, Z80-ish.
13:04<Donovan>Peng_: Ah, that would just be my domain name with a period after it, thought that was the other possibility, thanks ;)
13:04<bd_>Isvara: Rabbit R2000
13:04<pbryan>fuzzie: "Enhanced memory" ring any bells?
13:04<TIBSlaptop>ive got 3 boxa
13:04<TIBSlaptop>ffs laptop keys
13:05<ravi>TIBSlaptop: why do you say linode is crap? what's the reason?
13:05<Peng_>Donovan: Err, don't put your full domain in. If you want the record to be on "", just put in "foo". If you want it to be on "", put in nothing.
13:05<TIBSlaptop>debian freebsd
13:05<TIBSlaptop>ravi cos the response i get from simple questions
13:05<TIBSlaptop>i wouldnt say thats customer service..
13:05<Donovan>Peng_: Gotcha. I'm just setting up the SPF record, so blank it needs to be, then. Thanks.
13:05<bd_>TIBSlaptop: It's not. It's service, from other customers.
13:06<ravi>TIBSlaptop: where?
13:06<TIBSlaptop>wot is
13:06<cruxeternus>TIBSlaptop: Does your provider have a more helpful _community_ support IRC?
13:06<cruxeternus>Where at?
13:06<Mikef``>TIBSlaptop: Don't feel so bad... Hobbsee is way meaner to me.
13:06<TIBSlaptop>i got my own irc
13:06<JasonF>This channel is going downhill the larger Linode gets :-(
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13:06<ravi>JasonF: create new cliques
13:06<bd_>TIBSlaptop: Most of the people in #linode are, like you, not linode staff, and their comments, responses, and inane ramblings should not be treated as representing linode. Including me :)
13:06<cruxeternus>TIBSlaptop: What's the server/channel?
13:06<Battousai>JasonF: you should totally start a ##linode, freenode style
13:06<Peng_>JasonF: Sorry about that. :P
13:06<JasonF>Battousai: rofffles.
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13:07<Mikef``>Hi simlun
13:07<TIBSlaptop>cruxeternus they have forums
13:07<JasonF>so does linode
13:07<cruxeternus>Where's the IRC channel?
13:07<TIBSlaptop>and ticketing
13:07<Battousai>and a wiki?
13:07<bd_>ticketing isn't community support
13:07<bd_>ticketins is provider support
13:07<HoopyCat>from the "Contact Us" link on
13:08<JasonF>if you're looking for "official" support
13:08<JasonF>you gotta go through "official" channels
13:08<ravi>It is the collective _wisdom_, you get here.
13:08<JasonF>the only official people in here are caker, mikegrb, tasaro, and jadoba
13:08<TIBSlaptop>ive got 3 servers
13:08<wily>and snarkery
13:08<TIBSlaptop>non vps
13:08<ravi>not the oft rehearsed pseudo-polite diatribe
13:08<TIBSlaptop>in telehouse uk
13:09<TIBSlaptop>debian , freebsd and openbsd
13:09*tasaro dubs JasonF 'official' for the rest of the day
13:09<HoopyCat>i can ride my bike with no handlebars
13:09<bd_>JasonF: So, how long until native ipv6?
13:09*bd_ waits for the 'official' response
13:09<Isvara>HoopyCat: Where does the bell go?
13:10<HoopyCat>Isvara: usually the loud crashing sound and the scream of pain meets the audio notification requirements
13:10<JasonF>tasaro: I'll bill you.
13:10<JasonF>bd_: ipv6 is a fad.
13:10<TIBSlaptop>is shit
13:10<Dave>is telehouse london or manchester? I get confused with telehouse and telecity
13:10*cruxeternus his holding out for ipv8
13:10<HoopyCat>TIBSlaptop: i get a bunch of errors at the top of that page; you should check it out
13:10<wily>hell ipv4 is a fad ;)
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13:10<TIBSlaptop>london dave
13:11<TIBSlaptop>HoopyCat i know
13:11<Peng_>Screw IP, we should just use websites for everything.
13:11<HoopyCat>awesome celeron-based server, too ;-)
13:11<TIBSlaptop>got an amd server
13:11<TIBSlaptop>n duel core..
13:11<JasonF>Linode is officially deprecating layer 3.
13:11<bd_>TIBSlaptop: /var looks dangerously full there... :)
13:11<Isvara>Does anyone else have to resist saying te-LE-ci-ty instead of te-le-CI-ty?
13:12<TIBSlaptop>which im gonna clear out when i get time
13:12<HoopyCat>jasonf: that's ok, i mail ipv6 packets to chicago every weekday
13:12<Mikef``>Isvara: whats the differences?
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13:12<TIBSlaptop>DoSs aload of packets to him HoopyCat
13:12<Isvara>Mikef``: The former sounds, as cruxeternus said, like 'felicity'.
13:13<Isvara>It's a bit like Penelope vs antelope.
13:13<Dave>Isvara: I think its just you
13:13<TIBSlaptop>work this out
13:13<Mikef``>u understand
13:13<HoopyCat>TIBSlaptop: the MTU is one ounce and i'd have to drive to the post office to really DDoS someone
13:13<Mikef``>thanks Isvara :]
13:13<TIBSlaptop>im on a mobile network connection on t-mobile in the uk
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13:13<TIBSlaptop>ive only ever been assigned 4 different ips since connecting
13:14<TIBSlaptop>i wonder if all customers are the same..
13:14<Dave>TIBSlaptop: I get loads of IP addresses from them
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13:14<linbot>caker: Linode360 - 22, Linode540 - 10, Linode720 - 13, Linode1080 - 8, Linode1440 - 6, Linode2880 - 4
13:14<TIBSlaptop>dave u on mobile connection ?
13:15<Dave>not currently, but I am occasinoally
13:15<Peng_>Isvara: What about pronouncing Penelope like antelope?
13:15<JasonF>caker: how many linodes have you guys sold now?
13:15<TIBSlaptop>using the little white dongle thing
13:15<Dave>nah, using my phone
13:15<Isvara>Peng_: It's... also weird.
13:15<wily>caker: that needs to list per data center
13:16<Battousai>the linode office needs one of those signs like they used to have at mcdonalds
13:16<wily>ohhh yeah
13:16<TIBSlaptop>strange how im only assigned 4 same ips address's
13:16<wily>you know, I actually saw that
13:16<linbot>JasonF: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
13:16<Battousai>"Over 50 billion sold"
13:16<linbot>JasonF: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
13:16<wily>yeah I know it is on the web site
13:16<Mikef``>theres 50 billian linodes?
13:16<linbot>SpaceHobo: Linode360 - 22, Linode540 - 10, Linode720 - 13, Linode1080 - 8, Linode1440 - 6, Linode2880 - 4
13:16<Mikef``>thats like
13:17<Mikef``>a lot D:
13:17<Isvara>Mikef``: INCONCEIVABLE!
13:17<Mikef``>I know :o
13:17<Mikef``>Yes Toba_ ?
13:17<Toba_>shut up. please.
13:17<Mikef``>Why don't you.
13:18<Battousai>oh right
13:18<Mikef``>I'm not even talking to you...
13:18<Battousai>the ignore
13:18<Battousai>i thought mikegrb was causing trouble again
13:18<JasonF>Battousai: I just implemented one of those myself
13:18<JasonF>13:18 Ignoring ALL from Mikef``
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13:18<Peng_>Donovan is /ignoring everybody. :(
13:19<Toba_>ahhh sweet peace.
13:20<Dave>Toba_: the problem is, when he starts being irritating, and people respond to him, you get confused
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13:28<sd122>Hey guys, thanks for all your help today. I just signed up for an account.
13:29<cruxeternus>Welcome aboard.
13:29<Mikef``>Grats sd122 :D
13:29<fuzzie>welcome to the madhouse :p
13:29<cruxeternus>For Customer Service purposes, can you rate our service? ___ Rude ___ Not Rude
13:29<Mikef``>nice one cruxeternus .
13:30<sd122>I had linode back in the UML days (a while ago), and it was enjoyable then, so now I'm back :-)
13:30<Peng_>Great. :)
13:30<fuzzie>some of us are still in the UML days. :P
13:30<cruxeternus>sd122: It was enjoyable while you were gone too, you just didn't notice. :P
13:30<Peng_>fuzzie: And we like it that way!
13:30<fuzzie>yes. my preeecciiiooouuusss.
13:30<cruxeternus>You old geezers.
13:30*cruxeternus gets off your lawn.
13:31<Mikef``>they are old >.>
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13:35<sd122>Are any more linodes scheduled to come online in Atlanta? Can I move there after they do?
13:35<Dave>sd122: they are out of power
13:35<@tasaro>yes / yes
13:35<@tasaro>Dave: no, that is fremont
13:35<Dave>il just go eat some food
13:36*Pryon slurps on some sweet, sweet Fremont electrons.
13:36<avongauss>I don't know why, but that I always strikes me as funny - they are out of power.
13:36<sd122>I'd hate to have to buy power in CA, what a mess
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13:38<Pryon>avongauss: because the DC is run by Hurricane Electric?
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13:38<avongauss>Partially, it's just the "out of power", "waiting for more power", etc.. How can a DC be out of power? ;) I know, its capacity, but it just seems
13:38<avongauss>funny every time I see.
13:39<wily>amps are resources
13:39<wily>aint got enough amps
13:40<wily>you aint gonna run no mo servers
13:40<tierra>yeah, going to have to ship more power in
13:40<wily>by the ENERGON CUBEFUL
13:40<Pryon>HoopyCat can beam them some energons from his garage-rooftop microwave complex
13:42*wily has them delivered by WRC car
13:42<HoopyCat>sorry, zoning and planning commission wouldn't approve it, and even if they did, the electricians union would shut me down
13:42<wily>escorted by a detachment of Mechs
13:42<wily>as needed
13:42<Pryon>That's what the lasers are for
13:43<wily>Pryon: I've determined that all the sci fi lasers people have been waiting for
13:43<wily>are actually tracers from the M134 Gatling
13:43<wily>it fires so fast it looks like blaster fire :x
13:44<Pryon>pew pew
13:46<wily> shows it pretty well
13:47<wily>you can skip the first minute or so
13:47<wily>future weapons did a good bit on it
13:47*Pryon will be skipping all of it until he gets out from behind the work wall of fire
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14:11<linbot>New news from forums: how do i mount separate partitions and not loose data? in General Discussion <>
14:12*caker likes his women like he likes his data
14:12<JDLSpeedy>seams like there was a hicup at dallas just now
14:12<wily>loose eh
14:13<wily>is loose data the traffic routed by a promiscuous network interface?
14:14<JDLSpeedy>wily: ?
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14:15<wily>JDLSpeedy: was mocking the typo/bad grammar of the forum posting
14:15<wily>lose is the word they are looking for
14:15<wily>e.g. they lose at grammar
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14:15<wily>or, their grasp of English is very loose
14:16<wily>but not much chance their data is loose or that it would be in danger of becoming loose
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14:32<linbot>New news from forums: Multiple IPs- controlling which one remote sites see[SOLVED] in General Discussion <>
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15:06<raistlinthewiz>hey anysupport personals here?
15:06<raistlinthewiz>how much will it take if i wantted to upgrade my linode?
15:07<Peng_>What do you mean?
15:07<Peng_>You file a ticket (I think), wait for the admins to set it up, shut down your Linode, and press a button.
15:07<raistlinthewiz>got a linode 360 and want to upgrade it to a better plan
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15:07<raistlinthewiz>i ask whats the estimated time for the process
15:08<wily>how much 'time' will it take
15:08<@caker>shipping us bottles of jack help to expedite the process
15:08<n00bwork>so, i've got a question about adding users to accounts
15:08<raistlinthewiz>and 1 more question
15:08<n00bwork>i want to add a user to my linode accout that can do shutdown/reboot only - but "Access" seems to imply they could reset root password as well
15:08<rsdehart>hmm jack.
15:08*rsdehart runs to the post office.
15:08<raistlinthewiz>if i upgrade, i got a disk that i have backups
15:09<raistlinthewiz>can i have it moved also
15:09<wily>n00bwork: you could give them sudo under shell access...
15:09<n00bwork>wily: same effect as having root password
15:09<wily>you can lock down sudo a bit more
15:09<n00bwork>well see
15:09<wily>and they would use their own pass, not roots
15:09<n00bwork>it's for when the server crashes
15:09<n00bwork>i want to give him the ability to reboot it via lish or manager
15:09<rsdehart>you can grant shutdown/reboot to a user in sudoers
15:09<wily>they can ssh into lish
15:10<wily>log into the console
15:10<@caker>n00bwork: add their ssh key to lish
15:10<wily>then reboot
15:10<n00bwork>caker: ty, you're a god
15:10<@caker>n00bwork: and they'll only hav access to what Lish provides...
15:10<n00bwork>that's exactly what i wanted
15:11<@caker>raistlinthewiz: your entire setup (disk images, config profiles, etc) moves with you when you upgrade. It's literally one button
15:12<raistlinthewiz>ah ok
15:12<n00bwork>caker: jsut to clarify, a LISH password is set only to lish and not the linde parent account, correct?
15:12<@caker>n00bwork: yes. But, there's only one Lish user account, and it only has one password. Hence why I suggested using Lish keys
15:13<n00bwork>ok, thanks
15:13<@caker>but, I think you get the jist
15:13<HoopyCat>rsdehart: alcoholic beverages cannot be mailed through the united states postal service
15:13<Battousai>neither can cash
15:14<Battousai>but cash in beer bottles can be mailed
15:14*HoopyCat pays his RG&E bill with depositable Genny Cream Ale cans
15:14<rsdehart>HoopyCat: I was being figurative. Can't mail what you don't have anyway
15:14<wily>HoopyCat: not true, only to certain states
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15:14<wily>oh... um... may be USPS
15:14<wily>but you can UPS and FedEx, just not certain states
15:15<wily>like KY, where protectionist burbon laws rule :x
15:15<HoopyCat>rsdehart: well, there may be a liquor store between home and the post office; there is here, at least :-)
15:15<wily>on the upside, we have drive through liquor stores
15:15<@caker>heh .. FL did, too
15:15<HoopyCat>wily: indeed, it's USPS-specific and beyond the normal liquor/wine laws
15:15<@caker>I love the irony of that
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15:15<rsdehart>HoopyCat: yeah there's somewhere I can pick up some Jack between here and there, but I'm not leaving work for another 3 hours or so
15:16<wily>caker: yeah it is pretty funny to me too, the first time I went to one I was cracking up
15:16<HoopyCat>iowa has the drive-thru liquor stores too; closest we have is a drive-thru keg/beer store
15:16<wily>I think they thought I was high, then again, I may have been, hard to say on a night I get drive through liquor
15:16<wily>it is liquor & beer here... though I do live in IN now across the river and you can't even buy beer on Sunday
15:16<wily>it's WE TODD DID
15:17<Nivex>wily: are you sofa king?
15:17<HoopyCat>if your trunk is deep enough, just put the keg barrel in the trunk, have 'em drop the keg in there, buy a couple bags of ice at the tops on the way home, and back the car into the driveway. instant kegger without having to lift anything
15:17<wily>SOFA KING
15:17<wily>WE TODD DID
15:17-!-wily is now known as wilyking
15:18<wilyking>HoopyCat: while you're at it, put a tarp in your pickup bed, fill it with water, instant redneck pool party!
15:18<HoopyCat>fortunately, i drive an old prius, so this doesn't work for me.
15:18<HoopyCat>wilyking: i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
15:18<raistlinthewiz>wow caker that was really fast service;9
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15:19*tasaro flexes.
15:19<raistlinthewiz>linode rocks;)
15:20<wilyking>I have a newsletter?
15:20<raistlinthewiz>im migrating to linode540 now guys, this is what the customer service is, ask for it and get it 5 mins:) ill blog this
15:21<HoopyCat>wilyking: your ideas are sound and nothing can possiblay go wrong; you oughta therefore have a newsletter
15:21<wilyking>HoopyCat: I have a blog I regularly fail to post on, does that count?
15:21<HoopyCat>wilyking: pah, we all do. however, direct mail gets RESULTS!
15:22<raistlinthewiz>is it better to use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS 64 Bit ?
15:22<raistlinthewiz>or plain 32 bit?
15:22<raistlinthewiz>i mean is it optimized for performance?
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15:22<wilyking>HoopyCat: I'd rather stab my eye out with a jaggedly cut network cable than send junk mail or spam
15:23<bd_>64-bit has more registers and can assume more instruction set available (CMOV, etc) but bigger cache footprint
15:23<HoopyCat>wilyking: i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
15:23<wilyking>I'd probably then become a blind kung fu master and go on my worldwide spammer killing spree
15:23<wilyking>the lesser spammers may get off with simple bitch slaps
15:24<Battousai>why blind?
15:25<wilyking>because I stabbed my eyes out with a jagged patch cable
15:25<wilyking>rather than spam
15:25<wilyking>kinda like those monks that self immoliated
15:25<wilyking>in protest
15:25<wilyking>same deal
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15:43<Pryon>Hmmm. The big scary note in the wiki about qmail not being free software is incorrect.
15:44<fuzzie>now it's only often-legally-ambigious software, hooray
15:45<@mikegrb>the parts about it sucking still stand afaik
15:45<wilyking>djb has issues
15:45<@mikegrb>or has it had a release in the last 10 years?
15:45<fuzzie>mikegrb: we can patch it now!
15:45<fuzzie>to, you know, entirely replace it with postfix.
15:45<path->like dspam
15:45<path->no releases.. just lots of patches
15:45<linbot>New news from forums: latest coreutils pkg in Arch Linux semi-broken in General Discussion <>
15:45<@mikegrb>fuzzie: thats my kind of patch
15:46<raistlinthewiz>mysqld_safe tops my cpu
15:46<raistlinthewiz>so strange
15:46<Pryon>how is being in the public domain "often-legally-ambiguous"?
15:47<@caker>raistlinthewiz: is that a fresh install of mysql? I think that's an ubuntu bug. Stop mysql, kill mysql_safe, and restart mysql and it should be fine
15:48<wilyking>Pryon: because public domain is not legally defined or protected
15:48<fuzzie>Pryon: it's not 'in the public domain', it's published with a notice which says it is.
15:49<wilyking>hence the whole reason for copyleft in the first place instead of public domain
15:49<fuzzie>well, no, copyleft is quite different
15:49<wilyking>the creative commons guys have a lot of info on this
15:49<fuzzie>but it's certainly the reason for things like the MIT license.
15:49<wilyking>copyleft is a form of copyright
15:49<wilyking>public domain is, in some sense, the lack of copyright
15:49<fuzzie>which tries to do something public-domain-style which actually has legal teeth.
15:50<wilyking>also a good example
15:50<wilyking>I always wondered what the problems with public domain attribution were until I read up on it a bit
15:50<raistlinthewiz>caker; yes its a fresh install
15:51<raistlinthewiz>afteri kill & restart
15:51<raistlinthewiz>and open my page with php&mysql
15:51<raistlinthewiz>it just againthe same
15:51<raistlinthewiz>ill now see mysql slow log
15:51<raistlinthewiz>try to see the buggy query
15:51<raistlinthewiz>today ialso deployed a centos and it was nearly the same
15:52<raistlinthewiz>bah slow logs show nothing
15:52<wilyking>sounds like a code issue
15:53<raistlinthewiz>yep seems but it was running perfeclty on another host
15:53<@caker>is slow logging enabled? :)
15:53<raistlinthewiz>nop its not normally
15:53<raistlinthewiz>i just enabled to see whats on
15:53<raistlinthewiz>can it be that my database structure sucks?
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15:53<wilyking>raistlinthewiz: yes
15:53<raistlinthewiz>actuallyits a wordpress installation which was running nice on a shared host
15:53<raistlinthewiz>actuallyits a wordpress installation which was running nice on a shared host
15:53<wilyking>hmmm, that shouldn't be a big deal
15:53<wilyking>unless you've got a lot of wack plugins
15:54<wilyking>did you try repairing the database and restarting mysql?
15:54<linbot>funkytastic: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
15:54<raistlinthewiz>illtry repair now then
15:54<linbot>funkytastic: Dallas360 - 35, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
15:54<@caker>collect them all.
15:54<linbot>funkytastic: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
15:54<linbot>funkytastic: Newark360 - 40, Newark540 - 8, Newark720 - 13, Newark1080 - 8, Newark1440 - 6, Newark2880 - 4
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15:56<wilyking>raistlinthewiz: you can look at the phpmyadmin thing too and see the server connections...
15:56*HoopyCat adds "nearby bus stops" link to the geoprocessing engine
15:56<raistlinthewiz_>umm nice idea
15:57<raistlinthewiz_>which commadn to use for repair db?
15:59<wilyking>I cheat and use phpmyadmin
16:00<Peng_>Wait, 35 in Dallas and 40 in Newark? How did that happen? Weren't there like 22 total a little while ago?
16:00<raistlinthewiz_>m sure now its the wordpress/or wordpress db is faulty
16:00<raistlinthewiz_>my other dbs and phpmyadmin
16:00<raistlinthewiz_>and bigdump script just works
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16:00<raistlinthewiz_>maybe i got a faulty sql dump from my old host
16:01<path->Peng, when a girl linode and a boy linode love eachother..
16:02<Pryon>can't keep their minds on nothin' else
16:02<raistlinthewiz_>phpmyadmin just works i have to track the problem with wordpress
16:02<raistlinthewiz_>any knows a phpprofiler?
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16:03<raistlinthewiz_>willyking, where does phpmyadmin got an option for repair databasE?
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16:04*Peng_ leaves.
16:05<wilyking>raistlinthewiz_: somewhere off the main page, poke around :)
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16:06<raistlinthewiz_>ill also try a fresh wordpress install and move my wp_posts
16:06<raistlinthewiz_>see if i can handle
16:11<raistlinthewiz_>kay fresh wordpress just runs
16:11<raistlinthewiz_>my database is somewhat corrupted
16:12<@caker>what did you use to export the DB? Did you export indexes?
16:12<@caker>or import them?
16:12<raistlinthewiz_>i exported using phpymadmin
16:12<@caker>that doesn't say much :)
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>with default config lemme say
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16:13<raistlinthewiz_>Add IF NOT EXISTS
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>Add AUTO_INCREMENT value
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>Complete inserts
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>Use hexadecimal for BLOB
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>with thisoptions
16:13<raistlinthewiz_>is therea better way to export from a shared host? idont have ssh access, just php
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16:14<r3z`>caker, Doubt you want to answer this but how much do you guys pay for a rack in ATL?
16:14<@caker>we rent by the sq/ft
16:14<r3z`>Looking to get some windows boxes colo'd
16:14<raistlinthewiz_>whopppss it seems strange, i got a fresh wordpress-db and tried to run it with my old wp files, and it sucks. seems like my wordpress files are sucking
16:14<@caker>there's a <new> pricelist somewhere on gnax's forum
16:15<r3z`>Need a place in ATL. I have used 55 marietta st before but was never involved in the money end of it.
16:17<r3z`>Do you guys like gnax?
16:17<r3z`>I had a friend who had servers there and wasnt too happy with them
16:17<r3z`>this was quite a number of years ago though.
16:17<@caker>it's fair.
16:24<raistlinthewiz_>wow at last it works
16:25<Dave>raistlinthewiz_: it was wp, and not the db?
16:27<raistlinthewiz_>whopps itwas wp
16:27<raistlinthewiz_>some plugini guess
16:28<raistlinthewiz_>lol i gave my whole day debuggıng the problem :D
16:28<raistlinthewiz_>my lovely blog :)
16:29<Dave>fatal error
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16:45<r3z`>caker, what kind of servers do you guys run? dell, HP, beige boxes?
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17:05<maqr>caker: last night my newark linode was spiking in ping, but my load has been very low lately (which is good), was it actually some kind of nac issue?
17:06<@caker>maqr: not that I noticed
17:06<straterra>I was having issues with Newark too
17:07<Battousai>caker: there was an flap, outside of nac
17:07*mikegrb's ur mom
17:07<Battousai>she's used to it
17:08*guinea-pig confirms Battousai's statement
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17:27<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Offer domain registration? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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18:01<el_syn>PSA: gmail fucked, not just you
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18:22<zeroday>works over imap
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18:34<r3z`>caker, Do you have a price list for gnax?
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18:34<r3z>I know you said they may be on the forums but I cant find it.
18:35<r3z>Registration is disabled on the forums too so I dont know if there is something I cant see.
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18:45<jraidan>*tap tap* ... this thing on? :)
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18:54<jraidan>just popping in hopping to chat with someone about their experiences w/ Linode... thinking of moving some stuff there
18:54<jraidan>hoping, even
18:54<Battousai>it's been disappointing. nothing ever crashes.
18:55<Battousai>i like chaos
18:55<jraidan>well, that's the experience I'm looking for... because crashes do eventually happen :)
18:55<jraidan>even to the best, a crash will come
18:56<jraidan>I want to hear from someone that's had it happen. how was it handled. response time. how quickly things were back up. how much work to get things back operational afterwards, etc.
18:56<fuzzie>well, what kind of crashes are you looking for?
18:57<Battousai>for network incidents, they're at the whim of the datacenters
18:57<jraidan>don't want them. want to hear about someone's experience with one at linode
18:57<fuzzie>hardware failure just gets disks swapped around, unless all disks fail in which case you're handed a shiny new node due to the no-backups thing. network problems are quickly dealt with.
18:57<Battousai>for hardware related incidents, the linode staff will respond quickly
18:57<fuzzie>haven't encountered anything else.
18:58<Battousai>there may be the odd random host kernel panic once in a blue moon, but a reboot and five minutes later you're usually back up with no problems
18:58<Dave>they have redundant hardware for hardware failures I believe
18:58<@caker>there are spare hosts at all of the datacenters
18:58<jraidan>I've got about 600 domains between 12 servers, my own hardware, colo'd locally... want to get rid of my own hardware. bitch of it is the ~7000 or so email accounts that I currently host. those folks freak when I have downtime.
18:59<@caker>disk failures occur, and noone even notices -- hot swap and all that.
18:59<Battousai>but you notice
18:59<@caker>We had one double disk fault in our history, many years back (maxtors .. ugh).
19:00<fuzzie>jraidan: well, you can buy multiple nodes and do IP failover via linode within a datacentre, but obviously once in a bluemoon connectivity issues happen
19:00<jraidan>any thoughts on datacenter choices? as far as responsiveness, reliability, etc. ?
19:00<@caker>for hosts going bananas, we'll usually set up migrations off to another box, or we'll move the entire raid to another host
19:00<bd_>jraidan: atlanta blocks port 6667, note. apart from that, it depends on where you/your users are relative to the DC
19:01<jraidan>customers all over. location really doesn't matter... aside from you guys thinking one dc is better than the other for how quickly they manage problems
19:01<Dave>fuzzie: to counter that, you could have a node in another dc, with a lower priority mx records for your domain, and have that deliver mail to your primary node
19:01<jraidan>I'd likely be running my secondary services (dns/mx/etc.) from a 2nd dc
19:01<fuzzie>Dave: i hate having to manage spam in those kind of setups :<
19:02<Dave>jraidan: linode can do your dns for you
19:02<jraidan>prefer to do it myself :)
19:03<fuzzie>well, linode will also slave to you, which is really nice
19:03<@caker>you can also slave our nameservers to yours
19:03<@caker>and program it through the API
19:03<fuzzie>but obviously that's all optional
19:04<jraidan>was going to try out a baby linode, get a feel for it. really just wanted to make some contact, get a feel for how you guys do things. I'm just sick of having my own hardware.. being tied to a colo.
19:15<r3z>caker, you see my message earlier?
19:15<@caker>I haven't read scrollback yet .. what's up?
19:16<@caker>oh .. gnax
19:17<@caker>r3z: well .. here's the b/w pricing: ... you'll need to search/contact them for space and power
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19:18<bd_>caker: registration required and disabled on the former link
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19:22<@caker>I think you just need to register first, log in, and then hit that link, no?
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19:22<@caker>lame .. "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator." .. wth?
19:23<bd_>yeah :/
19:26<pygmalion>anyone watching the olympics
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19:27<HoopyCat>pygmalion: i will be once local news is over
19:29<r3z>caker, I would probably start out with a 1\4-1\2 cabinet.
19:30<@caker>r3z: yeah .. no clue.
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19:32<linbot>New news from forums: ssh over proxy ISA server. in General Discussion <>
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19:48<r3z>caker, rent me some space ;)
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19:52<m0>I am getting lagspikes on my linode again
19:53<m0>I checked my MTR and its only 1% packet loss
19:53<m0>Not only me, all the users connected to the server
19:56<m0>The only thing I could do is send a ticket
19:56<jcn>why don't you?
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20:53<HoopyCat>do linode domUs support the HCF instruction? it is required for security purposes.
20:56<mendel>Only in Atlanta
21:01<HoopyCat>mendel: speaking of sudden fire, were you anywhere near the explosions sunday morning?
21:01<mendel>No, we're down by dufferin and bloor. We could've heard it if we didn't sleep like rocks though
21:01<avongauss>you know, mentioning the word explosions in this channel might cause a panic after Houston... ;)
21:02<HoopyCat>mendel: it looked pretty big, indeed. :-/
21:02<HoopyCat>avongauss: pah, no worries of a datacenter-wise HCF :-)
21:03<mendel>avongauss: Well,
21:06<avongauss>that's not an explosion, that's a bbq...
21:06<avongauss>I spoke too soon, that is an explosion.
21:07<HoopyCat>taste the meat, not the heat
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21:10<glauber>hello o/
21:10<glauber>someone know if i can run my own kernel on a xen host?
21:10<HoopyCat>avongauss: originally, when trying to figure out exactly where the propane depot was, i was having trouble because the TFS dispatch log put the incident at the end of an airport runway right in the middle of a residential area near the intersection of two of canada's busiest highways less than a kilometer from a large shopping mall frequented by unsuspecting families
21:11<HoopyCat>avongauss: however, after zooming in, i realized that was a propane depot, and i smacked my forehead.
21:11<HoopyCat>glauber: not at this time, although you can load modules
21:12<glauber>right, HoopyCat will this be available sometime?
21:14<HoopyCat>glauber: the linode folks have said it may be a possibility, but i don't know where it is on the to-do list. however, if something is missing, it can sometimes be compiled in on request. what're you looking for?
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21:15<glauber>HoopyCat: need some things like iptables, bind i guess can run them trough modules
21:16<HoopyCat>glauber: hmm, iptables is (almost certainly) in there... take a look at /proc/config.gz to see what's in there
21:16<mendel>avongauss: that video is of a big propane bleve here this past weekend, it was crazy -- but only two fatalities, believe it or not
21:16<mendel>one of them a firefighter
21:17<Clorith>I'm thinking of running my own nameservers (for use with ipv6 rDNS), what would be most beneficial to do, storing the details in a mysql table, and allow the places with the nameservers access to connect to the database, or remotely pushing the new zonefiles every time they are updated? (the latter means I wouldn't haev to keep checking at set intervals, but could push when I update)
21:19<HoopyCat>Clorith: #2 is the standard way to do it; when you bump up the serial number, the master server will send a notify to all the servers in the NS records, which makes it quick n' easy
21:19<HoopyCat>Clorith: btw, you can use linode's nameservers as slaves for ipv6 rdns zones
21:20<Clorith>well, I don't intend to use a tunnel broker, I'm gonna use 6to4 trough the NRO, and last time I checked this, I was told that I couldn't use linodes nameservers for this :P
21:21<HoopyCat>Clorith: they don't support PTR records as *masters*, but as slaves, they'll happily submit :-)
21:21<Clorith>so how would I do that? :P
21:23<HoopyCat>Clorith: add a new domain zone -> and slave -> masters:;
21:25<Clorith>ok so that really didn't make me any wiser (I've never done that before, the only thing i've done is simply using bind to delegate the rDNS)
21:26<HoopyCat>Clorith: which part's flummoxing, the setting up the master zone in your bind or setting up the slave zone in dns manager?
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21:26<Clorith>I guess the slave part with using linode
21:27<glauber>HoopyCat: thanks a lot
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21:28<HoopyCat>Clorith: it's just like adding a master zone, but instead, you select the "slave" option under "type"
21:29<Clorith>I see
21:29<Clorith>I'll give it a shot
21:29<Clorith>does taht mean I'd only need one nameserver my self ?
21:29<HoopyCat>Clorith: yep
21:30<Clorith>oh this is excellent indeed
21:30<Clorith>thanks =D
21:30<Clorith>I learn somethign new every day in here
21:30<HoopyCat>saves a decent amount of PITA you betcha
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21:35<jnraptor>hi, i just signed up for a linode 360 with the wht aug promo
21:35<jnraptor>does this mean i pay for august and get sep free?
21:35<jnraptor>it's my 2nd time with linode
21:35<mendel>what is the name of the dallas datacentre?
21:35<bd_>mendel: ThePlanet
21:36<Clorith>I haven't seen the promo my self, so I'm not sure
21:36<mendel>there's four theplanet datacentres in dallas
21:36<mendel>i wonder if i can narrow this down
21:36*mendel is making a map
21:37<HoopyCat>mendel: this one would appear to be "dllstx2"
21:38<avongauss>haven't verified this yet myself, but also I believe everything is supposed to be served under the same AS now with ThePlanet. That might
21:38<avongauss>be why we saw that temporary Houston routing a couple of days ago.
21:39<Clorith>so which nameserver would you say is the "best" ?
21:39<Clorith>I've never seen any other then bind in action, so I wouldn't know
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21:40<HoopyCat>Clorith: i use BIND, but i'm pretty much just feeding two ipv6 rdns zones to linode's servers, so it doesn't matter that much
21:41<Clorith>I'd be using it as a rDNS for 3 nodes =)
21:41<HoopyCat>mendel: you can see the wavy line on the front of the building from the satellite image. nice.
21:41<Clorith>I do love my nodes, it's like a drug
21:45*HoopyCat considers sleep
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21:47<Clorith>I've been doing little of that, the olympics are on after all =P
21:48<HoopyCat>my wife wakes up at 5:30am, and we have three cats; if i want any chance of getting a good spot on the bed, i gotta do what i gotta do
21:49<coleslaw>Good evening. I'm at my wit's end with installing qmail on debian... I keep messing it up.
21:49<coleslaw>Is there a qmail installation for dummies manual?
21:50<Clorith>I see your problem
21:50<HoopyCat>i'm not a qmail user, alas
21:50<Clorith>coleslaw, repository isntall? :P
21:50<Clorith>I love repositories
21:50<coleslaw>what about postfix? (I messed that one up too)
21:50<Clorith>as long as it's not a yum one, I hate yum
21:50<HoopyCat>i do note that mikegrb just posted a collection of qmail patches in a blog post today; if he's awake, perhaps he'll pipe in
21:51<Clorith>there are some rather god postfix guides available on google though, although i managed to screw up when using a guide as well
21:51<Clorith>that's why I just use sendmail and forwarding aliases xD
21:51<HoopyCat>coleslaw: i have postfix installed, but i just use it for virtual maps
21:52<coleslaw>I don't understand why its so difficult...
21:53<coleslaw>or it may just be my lack of experience
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21:55<coleslaw>I think I'll give it another try tomorrow night... my brain is fried
21:55<coleslaw>Thanks :)
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21:56<HoopyCat>never underestimate the value of sleeping on it
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21:58<Clorith>so I'm using a guide for setitng upbind (I've only used ones that've aready been ready for use I jsut add the stuff in my own config file)
21:58<Clorith>and I'm not sure of what I'm doing, it told me ot add my domain and my network address here, what does this have to do with me wanting to make rDNS for ipv6'es, conssidering it might be rDNS'es from variouse domains I have ?
21:59<Clorith>I'm in the named.conf.local though, so I dunno xD
22:02<HoopyCat>speaking of sleeping on it, i'm going to bed
22:02<Clorith>sounds good
22:02<HoopyCat>catch me in the morn and i'll flang you some configitronic pastebions
22:03<Clorith>Will do if I fail ;)
22:03<Clorith>I'll go vigilantee adn see what I can mix up no though
22:03<Clorith>learning by failing, an excellent concept
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23:19<voxadam>Talk about a lively channel tonight...
23:20<jcn>can't talk. baking cookies.
23:20<voxadam>How domestic of you.
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