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---Logopened Wed Aug 27 00:00:17 2008
00:01<Tanner>i cant figure this out
00:04<CaptObviousman>the answer is "cheese"
00:06<charlie>Tanner: do you mean if you get a second linode, are you able to use the first linode's db server on the second?
00:06<charlie>or are you not in the database conversation and talking about something completely different? :P
00:07<spasmface>hey sorry this is a question about another server: the provider provides a host, i have a domain name, but im not sure how to link them, like with a nameserver
00:07<spasmface>they dont offer the dns manager like linode does
00:07<spasmface>so im not sure what to do
00:08<spasmface>ive been looking at opendns but i dont know what im doing
00:09<spasmface>apparently i can setup my own records and use my domain registrar's service or something but im not sure either
00:10<goodwill1120>caker: how is the status now?
00:10<goodwill1120>should I init a reboot on my guest to get it working?
00:10<@caker>goodwill1120: it should be fine
00:12<goodwill1120>seems looking fine now
00:12<goodwill1120>let us know if you are putting xen 3.3 up again
00:13<goodwill1120>so we could expect what would happen
00:13<bob2>spasmface: opendns is unrelated
00:13<Tanner>i mean
00:13<bob2>spasmface: who is your registrar?
00:13<Tanner>if i get a new linode and want to back it up too
00:13<Tanner>so i need another acc
00:13<Tanner>and got to pay more
00:13<Tanner>or is that one fine for both of them?
00:14<bob2>if you want another linode, you need to pay for another linode
00:14<bob2>Tanner: oh, s3?
00:14<bob2>Tanner: no, it doesn't care from where or from how many locations you access it
00:15<bob2>spasmface: dunno if they offer free dns hosting or not
00:15<bob2>spasmface: if not, you can use something like or (or linode) to do so
00:15<goodwill1120>anyone: I am using mac terminal, via lish seems backspace not working
00:16<bob2>yes, the terminal that comes with os x is shit
00:16<goodwill1120>actually its when I have connected inside the console its not working
00:16<bob2>apparently "iterm" is better
00:16<bob2>or use xterm
00:16<goodwill1120>haha ok anyway, but anyway I could fix it?
00:17<bob2>installing something else is simpler
00:17<Tanner>so i still cant figure it out bob2
00:17<bob2>figure out what?
00:20<spasmface>thanks bob2
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00:28<@linbot>SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0
00:28<@linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
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00:44<nicha>anybody knows how to install cpanel? now m using Fedora 9.
00:45<bob2>doesn't cpanel provide support as part of your annual fee?
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00:46<Pryon>According to the install docs, they'll install it for you for no charge
00:47<SelfishMan>I doubt many people here use cpanel
00:48<bob2>wow, that's pretty impressive
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00:48<Pryon>bob2: Yeah - you install one of the (2) supported distros, give 'em the root password and wait. That's pretty nice of them.
00:49<Pryon>But the installer seems like a fire and forget operation anyway.
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01:06<goodwill1120>I think the backspace problem only happens if you connect via lish
01:06<goodwill1120>ssh is fine
01:06<goodwill1120>ssh direct to host I mena
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01:30<nicha>anybody knows how to install and use phpmyadmin? m using fedora 9
01:31<spasmface>yum or apt-get ?
01:31<Pryon>You should be able to search for phpmyadmin in whatever package manager fedora uses
01:31<Pryon>more likely to be yum
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01:32<nicha>i don't know where can i start
01:32<Pryon>yum install phpmyadmin perhaps?
01:32<nicha>now i installed phpmyadmin already
01:33<nicha>but i don't know how can i start?
01:33<nicha>anybody knows?
01:33<Pryon>Do the authors of phpmyadmin produce documentation?
01:34<nicha>yeah, i guess!
01:34<Pryon> might be worth a look
01:35<Pryon>google is your friend
01:35<Pryon>Their search engine is, anyway
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02:47<@linbot>New news from forums: An interesting article about Xen and swapping in Performance and Tuning <>
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03:07<agentbleubleu>when I: dig mx i get this: ;; ANSWER SECTION:
03:07<agentbleubleu> 38400 IN MX 5 : how would one change this to
03:11<Peng_>Edit your DNS records?
03:12<agentbleubleu>Peng_: the master dns does not say just
03:13<agentbleubleu>but i will look at that now in virtualmin
03:13<Peng_>Err, what? You've checked's MX records?
03:13<Peng_>If you've changed something, the old value might still be cached somewhere .
03:18<agentbleubleu>yes erm, i been playing with it and today that mail server stopped working, proberbly smething todo with add the domains to the dns section in the linode control panel, i found the dns in virtualmin, so will edit that and see how it goes
03:19<bob2>use "dig mx @localhost" on the dns server
03:25<agentbleubleu>this "dig mx @localhost" , seems to bring up the same info as dig mx
03:25<bob2>then your zone file is misconfigured
03:26<agentbleubleu>i have made changes and that mail account still does not connect
03:26<bob2>using virtualmin is only compounding the problem, btw
03:28<agentbleubleu>well maybe but im a novice and this was the quickest way over that hurdle
03:28<bob2>everything seems broken, so that seems false :)
03:28<agentbleubleu>i give you that
03:29<bob2>getting postfix going, without virtualmin is about 20 minutes work
03:29<xorl>dns replication
03:29<bob2>bind is less
03:29<xorl>*whipes forehead&
03:29<xorl>powerdns 2 minutes.
03:30<bob2>(based on not knowing what posftix problem you are having)
03:33<agentbleubleu>i dont know, mail for that account only ( i have others on the system all ok) broke this morning. im thinking its something to do with a conflict created by editing the /etc/hostname with hello, im not sure but i suspect the hello.myplaylist is now conflicting with mail.myplaylist (which was in the dns)
03:33<agentbleubleu>if that makes any sense whatsoever
03:34<bob2>and no, the conflicting stuff makes no sense :)
03:34<bob2>and could not affect a single account unless you had some weird config
03:34<bob2>what does "broke" mean
03:35<agentbleubleu>the email account will not connect to the server
03:35<agentbleubleu>times out
03:35<bob2>what does that mean?
03:35<bob2>postfix is unrelated to imap
03:35<bob2>and pop
03:35<bob2>if that is what you are refering to
03:35<bob2>as are mx records and the contents of /etc/hostname
03:36<bob2>so your issue is that connections to your pop server time out?
03:36<agentbleubleu>only on that account
03:36<bob2>define time out then
03:36<agentbleubleu>erm not sure rings a bell
03:37<bob2>what imap server did you reinstall?
03:37<bob2>er, install
03:37<agentbleubleu>says connection times out on port 143
03:37<bob2>it sounds a lot like reinstalling Debian and not using virtualmin would be a big time saver
03:37<agentbleubleu>no idea virtualmin did it, im sure its dovecote
03:38<bob2>ok, for future reference, phrasing your original question as "Hi, connecting to my imap server on port 143 times out", rather than all the dns and mailname and stuff would be way less confusing
03:38<bob2>pastebin the output of 'sudo netstat -plnt ; sudo iptables -Lvn'
03:38<agentbleubleu>There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the settings for account "Myplaylist" or try again.
03:38<agentbleubleu>The server error encountered was: The connection to the server "" on port 143 timed out.
03:39<agentbleubleu>ok thanks
03:39<bob2>also, dovecot and imap are unrelated to using a server to send out emails
03:39<bob2>so if that is your goal, you can save a lot of time right now :)
03:40<agentbleubleu>its just mail stopped working
03:40<agentbleubleu>erm having trouble with sudo iptables -Lvn
03:40<agentbleubleu>iptables -Lvn this works
03:41<agentbleubleu>sorry this works netstat -plnt
03:41<bob2>oh, you're logging in as root
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03:42<agentbleubleu>hello:~# iptables -Lvn
03:42<agentbleubleu>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
03:42<bob2>iptables -L -v -n
03:42<bob2>damn you whoever complained about my use of whitespace
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03:44<bob2>well, dovecot is fine
03:44<bob2>perhaps something on your local machine or network is breaking it
03:45<bob2>or virtualmin trashed its' config
03:45<agentbleubleu>restarted and even set up a new email account for that domian which also would connect to from my local machine
03:45<bob2>reall, if your goal is "be able to send and receive emails, and access them via imap", you'll save time by reinstalling without virtualmin
03:46<bob2>well, no one can debug that without login details
03:47<agentbleubleu>i think its a dns problem because it was working fine, then broke on its own time
03:47<agentbleubleu>yesterday i added the domains in the linode dns section
03:48<bob2>dns doesn't cause user-specific imap network timeoutes
03:49<bob2> has 3 A records
03:49<bob2>two of them don't have imap servers
03:49<bob2>add an A record for pointing at the one that does, then configure your mail client to use
03:54<agentbleubleu>bob2: when you say point to the one that does, i dont know what you mean, or which one has imap, all i have is the ip in my config
03:54<bob2>no they don't
03:55<bob2>well, that is not the zone file the internet is getting
04:02<agentbleubleu>i just added it let me update it
04:03<bob2> 7200 IN NS
04:03<bob2> 7200 IN NS
04:03<bob2>fix those name servers
04:03<bob2>or tell your registrar to use a different set
04:03<agentbleubleu>i cannot tell register anything, but how do you mean fix them?
04:03<bob2>you need a sysadmin
04:03<bob2>you tell the registrar to use some set of nameservers
04:03<bob2>currently it is using that
04:03<bob2>you need to tell it to use the nameservers you are really intending it to use
04:03<agentbleubleu>that is the master, the slave is then picked up by linode or my virtualmin
04:03<bob2>what is the master?
04:03<agentbleubleu>in order to use omnis dns manager you have to set the NS to their ones
04:03<bob2>then you need to update your dns settings in the "omnis dns manager"
04:03<bob2>instead of in your local zone files
04:03<bob2>unless you told them to slave to ""
04:03<internat1>any admins arround?
04:03<internat1>im interested to know how big the waiting list for a 360 in dallas is
04:03<Peng_>internat1: There are 45 available right now.
04:03<@linbot>StevenK: Dallas360 - 45, Dallas540 - 33, Dallas720 - 22, Dallas1080 - 6, Dallas1440 - 5, Dallas2880 - 3
04:03<Peng_>internat1: You mean Fremont?
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04:03<agentbleubleu>in omnis i have 3 a records, 1 is pointed at my ip, yesterday i added 2 more to point to the ip of &
04:03<internat1>yeah i did.. but i actually just realised i dont need it
04:04<Peng_>Heh, okay
04:04<internat1>probably need a 540 in freemont shortly though..
04:04<bob2>agentbleubleu: that is a bit silly
04:04<agentbleubleu>i did this because when i checked the dns setup the system said i had no glue
04:04<bob2>that is not related to glue
04:04<agentbleubleu>and in order to have glue add those a records
04:04<bob2>get rid of them
04:04<agentbleubleu>ok deleted
04:04<bob2>why not just use linode's servers?
04:05<agentbleubleu>i did not know how
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04:14<internat1>anyone else on dallas63 at the moment?
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04:54<mdcollins>hello all
05:07<agentbleubleu>v strange, only effects one domain on my linode, but not only was imap client not able to login (since just today) but I have just noticed that mod_rewrite is going really slowly if at all on that same domain, could DNS issues cause both these problems?
05:09<agentbleubleu>i have rebooted the linode !avial
05:10<Peng_>DNS does not affect the speed of mod_rewrite.
05:11<Peng_>Well, BIND could be hogging CPU or something and slowing down Apache, but "DNS" is just a protocol.
05:12<Peng_>Or maybe your DNS issues are causing you to be sent to another server, and this other server is slow.
05:12<agentbleubleu>top - 05:11:58 up 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.31, 1.48
05:12<agentbleubleu>the server is working
05:13<agentbleubleu>but when mod_rewrite is called
05:13<agentbleubleu>it slows to a grind
05:13*Peng_ shrugs
05:13<Internat>probably means your rewrite conditions suck
05:14<agentbleubleu>this is definitely one of those days i should have stayed in bed
05:14<agentbleubleu>no they are fine
05:14<Internat>oabviously not
05:14<agentbleubleu>and working on other domains on the same sevrer
05:14<agentbleubleu>just this domain affected
05:15<agentbleubleu>personally i blame you lot
05:15<fuzzie>well, there's got to be something at fault. maybe you're running heavy scripts? what's the load average like when it's being slow? :)
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05:15<agentbleubleu>load average: 0.04, 0.31, 1.48
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05:55<agentbleubleu>update, its not mod_rewrite, but any call to the site without www. grinds to a halt vs
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05:55<SelfishMan>That sounds like mod_rewrite still
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05:55<agentbleubleu>not sure?
05:56<agentbleubleu>what for?
05:56<Internat>actually nm
05:56<Internat>i thought i remembered something about u saying had multiple ips
05:57<agentbleubleu>it must be some dns problem because the imap client is failing too
06:01<agentbleubleu>mod_rewrite is working ok, but any call it made to the non www version caused the script to grind to a halt thus me thinking it was mod_rewrite, but now i see its simply any call to the non www domain that will take over a minute
06:03<Internat>yeah that aint dns
06:15<SelfishMan>What IMAP client?
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06:15<SelfishMan>Well, you have multiple issues going on then
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06:16<agentbleubleu>but only on this domain
06:16<agentbleubleu>others ok
06:16<SelfishMan>Your script has issues
06:16<agentbleubleu>sure its fine
06:17<SelfishMan>Your mod_rewrite rules are screwed up, your apache config is screwed or your script is broken
06:18<SelfishMan>This isn't DNS. DNS is pretty basic. If and resolve to the same IP then it isn't DNS.
06:18<agentbleubleu>yea what a coincidence all happened over night
06:18<agentbleubleu>could it be this /etc/hostname
06:18<agentbleubleu> hello
06:19<agentbleubleu>sorry in pico /etc/hosts
06:19<agentbleubleu>not hostname
06:21<SelfishMan>Again, it isn't DNS related
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08:00<bob2>agentbleubleu: imap is failing because has three A records, but only two of them have IMAP servers
08:01<path->sounds like a dns problem
08:01*path- couldn't resist
08:01<bob2>dns misconfiguration
08:01<path->why run two imap servers?
08:01<agentbleubleu>i removed the 2 other ones from the master dns
08:02<bob2>yes, the change will take up to days to propagate
08:02<agentbleubleu>another site went down too
08:02<bob2>this is one of many reasons not give your server a domain name
08:02<agentbleubleu>where do you do that
08:02<bob2>(you need to be a lot more specific when describing problems)
08:02<Clorith>oh excellent
08:02<Clorith>bob's here :D
08:03<Clorith>you rememebr my nameserver thign from yesterday? well, I added the allow-transfer inside the zone part of my config, but it's still getting the non-authorative zone error
08:04<agentbleubleu>another site about 2 hours after I noticed the first stop working, IMAP and non www problem
08:04<agentbleubleu>so another site also went iffy
08:04<bob2>"stop working"
08:04<bob2>you have 3 A records for
08:04<bob2>EVERYTHING is going to be fucked up until that is fixed
08:05<bob2>Clorith: I can't remember what the line from your logs was
08:05<Clorith>bad zone transfer request: '': non-authoritative zone (NOTAUTH)
08:06<Clorith>well, that one I can guess would get the error, that's, which isn't in the allowed section
08:06<Clorith>but ns1 is also getting that same error
08:06<Clorith>and I did add the ns1 ip
08:07<agentbleubleu>is down for others?
08:07<Clorith>just slow, but up
08:07<agentbleubleu>down here
08:07<Clorith>I like the color scheme on that site :o
08:08<agentbleubleu>oh im going to tunnel through the linode to see if its a problem whith the network
08:08<bob2>you have a zone block in your bind configuration, right?
08:08<Clorith>probably not
08:09<Clorith>I'm setting it up to delegate rDNS to my ipv6
08:09<Clorith>so the zone section is for an ipv6, not a domain
08:09<bob2>then bind doesn't know anything at all about
08:09<Clorith>I suck at this
08:09<Clorith>I know
08:09<bob2>I thought I said to put the allow-transfer block in the zone block
08:10<bob2>anyway, pastebin
08:10<Clorith>oh, I was probably just reading the parts I wanted to read xD
08:10<bob2>you have to read all of them for it to work!
08:11<Clorith>ok so I'll need to make a zone for, but how will I be able to use linode as a slave for my ipv6 zonefile then ?
08:11<bob2>bind lets you have an arbitrary number of zone {} blocks
08:11<bob2>one per zone it is supposed to know about
08:12<Clorith>that's the only zone I've added
08:12<Clorith>wrong ?
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08:12<bob2>the whole file
08:13<bob2>I'm a bit lost
08:13<Clorith>that's the entire file
08:13<bob2>if you have not added /any/ confguration for, what did you think bind was going to do?
08:13<bob2>or you trying to slave some other servt?
08:13<Clorith>named.conf.local which is the file named.conf tells me I should use
08:13<bob2>er, server
08:13<Clorith>I'm trying to use linodes nameservers as a slave
08:13<bob2>but what are you trying to use as the master?
08:14<Clorith>err, my node
08:14<Clorith>I was following a guide, I guess the guide wasn't any good
08:14<bob2>but it has no configuration for
08:14<bob2>pastebin your swiftbnc zone file
08:14<Clorith>I have no zone file for that
08:15<Clorith>only the one for that ipv6 I have in the pastebin there
08:15<bob2>what data do you want it to server for
08:16<Clorith>technically, I woudl want to be the master zone
08:16<Clorith>and using ns* as the slaves
08:16<Clorith>so I wouldn't have to run more then the one nameserver my self
08:18<Peng_>Why do you need to run your own nameserver at all?
08:18<Clorith>because it makes it easier to manage the ipv6 rDNS'es
08:19<Clorith>I then use mysql and a cronjob to check for new ips to add to the zone, and it takes it from there
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08:19<Clorith>also, learning new things is always fun
08:19<Clorith>except when you screw them up, like me, hehe
08:20<bob2>yes, I understand you want to use linode's nameservers as slaves
08:20<bob2>but you haven't given the /master/ the zone data
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08:21<Clorith>ok, so I will need to delegate a zone to bind, and that should fix it ?
08:21<bob2>no no
08:21<bob2>you don't have a zone file
08:21<bob2>that is your root problem
08:22<bob2>note that you can happily use your bind server for ipv6 rdns and still have act as master for another domain
08:22<bob2>(ie you can easily have linode master for
08:22<Clorith>well, I would need to run 2 nameservers then, wouldnt I ?
08:22<Clorith>for the ipv6 I mean
08:23<bob2>then you would run
08:23<bob2>I don't know what you are thinking of, but one bind instance can serve any number of zones
08:23<Clorith>that I know
08:23<bob2>where a zone is a domain or a rdns zone or ...
08:23<agentbleubleu>bob2 you said, 'this is one of many reasons not give your server a domain name' where do you allocate the server a domain name?
08:23<Clorith>but the way I've done my ipv6 is bu 4to6, and I intend to use NRO with it, as that's the way I know how to do it
08:24<Clorith>an they require 2 nameservers minimum, with a zone for your ipv6
08:24<bob2>agentbleubleu: I mean, you should have called your server, instead of
08:24<bob2>Clorith: yes, obviously
08:24<bob2>Clorith: you run one
08:24<bob2>Clorith: linode runs 4
08:24<bob2>Clorith: then you have 5
08:24<agentbleubleu>bob2 ok where do i change this?
08:24<Clorith>but I would need to send the ipv6 zone to linode
08:24<Clorith>that's where I'm a bit lost
08:25<bob2>agentbleubleu: lots of places, now
08:25<bob2>unpicking all the things you and virtualmin have done will be tricky
08:25<bob2>Clorith: that bit is easy
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08:25<bob2>Clorith: login to linode control panel -> dns manager -> import a zone -> follow prompts
08:26<bob2>all done
08:26<agentbleubleu>in the linode rdns section i have my reverse dns as is this incorrect?
08:26<Clorith>but I will have to do that every time I make changes then ?
08:26<bob2>but your ipv6 rdns zone has absolutely nothing at all to do with
08:26<Clorith>the guide said I had to use a domain like that =s
08:26<Clorith>oh well
08:27<bob2>I have no idea what you or the guide are talking about
08:27<Clorith>I'll just say screw the guide and do as you jsut told me :P
08:27<Clorith>does the ipv6 zone look ok theough? xD
08:27<bob2>your options are: a) learn how to configure bind and write zone files by hand, configure linode as secondaries or b) use linode only and configure it all through the web interface
08:27<bob2>I haven't seen the ipv6 zone
08:27<Clorith>oh right
08:28<bob2>just the named.conf config
08:28<Clorith>taht's the one I ment
08:28<bob2>that looks fine, but that is the trivial bit - all zone{} blocks look like that
08:30<agentbleubleu>bob2: what is the best thing for me to put into the rdns on the linode control panel, currently it is
08:30<Clorith>the import a zone still wants a domain
08:30<bob2>yes, it lies
08:30<bob2>it really wants a zone
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08:31<bob2>agentbleubleu: that is unrelated to your current issues
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08:31<agentbleubleu>ok, but still is that correct?
08:32<bob2>it depends on lots of other things
08:32<bob2>it is probably ok
08:33<Mikef``>aww..poor marius can't get his BNC site working ):
08:33*Mikef`` thinks he should outsource.
08:33<Clorith>Mikef``, it works just fine
08:33<Clorith>I'm playing with bind
08:34<bob2>then you need to tell your tunnelbroker or whoever to use ns[1234] as ns records for the zone
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08:36*Mikef`` bets he's using HE
08:37<SelfishMan>Is Mikef`` being cocky?
08:37<Clorith>Who is using HE ?
08:37<praetorian>or rather, He-Man
08:37<SelfishMan>Isn't he the same person that typed 'rm -rf /' on his node?
08:37<HoopyCat>praetorian: heman, of course, is the credited author of psalm 88 in the bible
08:38<SelfishMan>Isn't that the one where heman goes to hell?
08:39<praetorian>HoopyCat: i meant He-Man as i corrected ;)
08:39<jcn>so, can someone explain to me the practical uses of an ipv6 tunnel at this point?
08:39<StevenK>SelfishMan: Yes, Mikef`` is.
08:40<HoopyCat>definitely a bit of a downer, that psalm 88
08:40*SelfishMan beats Mikef`` back into his place
08:40<bob2>jcn: nerdom, interesting to setup and nerdom
08:40<SelfishMan>Yep. Heman goes to hell.
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08:40<bob2>jcn: plus you can get spam over ipv6 from
08:40<jcn>bob2: that's it?
08:40<bob2>what is the point of anything in life?
08:40<Peng_> should be up soon!
08:41<SelfishMan>jcn: Soon will go live!
08:41<bob2>eventually ipv6 will probably take over
08:41<HoopyCat>jcn: R&D, resume-building, and being able to have public IP addresses on a residential connection
08:41<SelfishMan>It just went private beta a few days ago
08:41<bob2>some people find it interesting to play with such things
08:41<bob2>and have custom rdns on rc
08:41<agentbleubleu>bob2 does this look like it is correct
08:43<jcn>hoopycat: how does the public ip on a residential connection thing work?
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08:43<bob2>agentbleubleu: afaict
08:44<Peng_>agentbleubleu: "as far as I can tell"
08:44<HoopyCat>jcn: i don't have to use NAT with IPv6, so i don't. i've got a /64 allocated for my home LAN, and the computers randomly splay themselves around it
08:45<SelfishMan>jcn: Just run a few portscans on 2001:470:1f0f:33::dead:beef and see how well it works
08:45<jcn>and packets reach it by running through the v4 internet until they hit a v6 tunnel, which then routes packets to the right place?
08:45<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: that one wasn't random ;-)
08:45<Peng_>jcn: More or less
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08:46<bob2>jcn: hoopycat's pc <-ipv6-> router <-ipv4-> tunnelbroker <-ipv6-> google
08:46<HoopyCat>jcn: packets go across the v6 internet until they hit my tunnel broker, at which point they go through a v4 tunnel originating from behind my NAT
08:46<Clorith>free porn for ipv6 users
08:46<Clorith>who DOESN'T want ipv6
08:47<jcn>i was going to set it up on my linode for kicks, but couldn't actually figure out why i'd want to.
08:47<HoopyCat>so my SSH session to IRC goes something like my PC <-ipv6-> my ipv6 gateway <-ipv4-> crap-ass NAT <-ipv4-> cable modem/internet/etc <-ipv4-> tunnelbroker <-ipv6-> my linode
08:48<HoopyCat>jcn: free read-only usenet access via NNTP
08:48<HoopyCat>(usenet is basically illegal in my jurisdiction, you see)
08:48<SelfishMan>You're in Verizon territory aren't you?
08:48<jcn>that sounds like a reasonably good reason.
08:49<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: nope, democratic people's republic of new york
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08:49<SelfishMan>Yep, ban that usenet and keep the interwebs kiddie porn free
08:49<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i can never tell with those damned downstate accents, but i think it's something about chili prawns
08:49<Mikef``>14:37 < SelfishMan> Is Mikef`` being cocky?
08:49*Isvara just finally got native IPv6 working on his ADSL.
08:49*Mikef`` isnt
08:50*Mikef`` beats you back over the head >.>
08:50<SelfishMan>kitty pr0n?
08:51*Clorith wonders if his isp has native ipv6
08:51<SelfishMan>No, they don't
08:51<Clorith>no surprise there
08:51<Clorith>shame, they're the leading provider in norway =(
08:51<HoopyCat>Clorith: ask 'em. perhaps it'll get it on their mind :-)
08:51<Clorith>but hey, I dont complain fibre interwebs with 2MB/sec down 1MB/sec up
08:51<SelfishMan>Less than 1% of end-user ISPs have native v6 so odds are you don't have it available but harass them anyway
08:52*Isvara complains at 400-something k up.
08:52<SelfishMan>MB or Mb?
08:52*Mikef`` complains at 500k upload
08:52<jcn>i don't think i'm nerdy enough to want to spend the time setting up v6 at home.
08:52<Clorith>it wasn't a typo
08:52*Mikef`` <3s 8meg dl :d
08:52<HoopyCat>as far as availability goes, asia > europe > united states
08:52<bob2>that's not a very useful statistic, 1% of isps probably have > 40% of subscribers
08:52*Peng_ <3s his 1.5 Mbit ADSL! Whoo!
08:52<Peng_>(that's down, not up)
08:53<Isvara>jcn: It took a fraction of the time it took to get the stupid Linksys modem to work.
08:53<HoopyCat>as with most things, we're kinda at the ass end of innovation over here
08:53<SelfishMan>bob2: Not my statistic.
08:53<jcn>isvara: tell that to my time capsule.
08:53<SelfishMan>Isn't it something like 0.0024% of traffic on the net is IPv6?
08:53<Isvara>jcn's time capsule: It took a fraction of the time it took to get the stupid Linksys modem to work.
08:53<SelfishMan>jcn: I'm sorry.
08:54<Clorith>I once peaked at 1.8MB/sec uploading to a guy in the US :D
08:54<Isvara>SelfishMan: I just got IPv6 for the free porn.
08:54<SelfishMan>Ironically, Apple tries to use IPv6 tunnels for the back to my mac service
08:55<HoopyCat>if apple starts hitting IPv6 hard, it'll only be a matter of time before all the kids are using it to be cool
08:57<bob2>SelfishMan: higher
08:57<bob2>utorrent betas enabled ipv6 on your machine by default
08:58<HoopyCat>i am amazed at how easy it is to enable on a windows box, given ipv6 infrastructure on the LAN
08:58<jcn>yeah, i suppose getting it working on my home network would be more useful than it working on my linode.
08:58<Clorith>can I ask you all an opinion (concerning irc management :P)
08:58<SelfishMan>'less than one hundredth of 1% of Internet traffic is IPv6... equivalent to the allowed parts of contaminants in drinking water.'
08:58<@linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
08:58<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: still, it's the contaminants that make drinking water delicious.
08:59<bob2>SelfishMan: an incorrect statistic, alas
08:59<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: That's what I say! I hate really heavily filtered water
08:59<Clorith>any awy, I've got a user, he was perm akilled abotu a year ago for sending out nude pictures/videos of a girl (partially nude to begin with, with a message in the video saying to pay him 800 bucks or it would all go online)
08:59<Clorith>he was reported to the police for attempted blackmail back then
08:59<Clorith>he is now back with a new ISP
08:59<Clorith>is it biased of me to want to remove the user permanently with his new ISP as well ?
09:00<SelfishMan>Not your problem
09:00<HoopyCat>Clorith: i'd say that's akill evasion
09:00<Clorith>it was being sread on a network where 90% of the userbase are like 14 years old as well
09:02<Clorith>thought so hoopy
09:02<HoopyCat>Clorith: in general, you intend to akill a person (or a country), you're just limited with technology to being able to akill a hostmask
09:04<Clorith>eh, I was tryign to reason with him first, informing him he was not welcome and should leave
09:04<Clorith>he started comparing it to stealing vodka in a shop...
09:06<HoopyCat>i've determined that people spend too much time trying to weasel out of having to kick asshats in the kiwis.
09:07<Clorith>I just get sick of everyone taht tries to protect whoever is a source of problems, so I try to be diplomatic to prevent it
09:07<Clorith>of course, one bad words aimed at me and they're gone xD
09:07<HoopyCat>akill them too >:-)
09:08<Clorith>oh, this is fun
09:08<Clorith>he evaded 2 minutes later
09:08<Clorith>stupid UK isps all being dynamic
09:08<sveiss>only the crappy ones
09:08<Dave>Clorith: they arnt all dynamic
09:08<Clorith>BT is dynamic
09:08<Dave>I can think of 3 straight off who arnt
09:09<Clorith>and they own the entire infrastructure pretty much
09:09<Clorith>sky are
09:09<Dave>2 ISP's
09:09<Clorith>and aparently there's one caleld that is
09:09<sveiss>Clorith: those being one of the crappy ones (and the one I'm stuck on right now...)
09:09<Dave>and they own the infrastructure, but they dont assign IP's
09:09<Clorith>sveiss, BT ?
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09:09<sveiss>Clorith: yes
09:09<Dave>I work for a UK isp who dish out static addresses
09:09<sveiss>(though I use three as well - they're a mobile phone operator who sell datacards too)
09:09<Clorith>yeah, BT is bad tbh, since the actual hostname doesn't take yo uanywhere usefull in case of abuse etc
09:10<Clorith>I wonder how many three users are o nthe network...
09:10<Clorith>only 6
09:10<Clorith>I could do a wide ban on that I guess...
09:11<Clorith>oh well
09:11<HoopyCat>sign SSL keys for the six people that don't suck and have them use those to connect; akill anyone who doesn't produce proper authentication on connect
09:11<Clorith>I'll just idle and take him when he evades again/laugh at his appeal posts
09:12<Clorith>exactly hoopy
09:12<Clorith>now then *turns attention back to this ipv6 zone*
09:12<HoopyCat>wowsa, college football opening weekend
09:13*HoopyCat prepares his Brent Musburger Drinking Game shotglasses
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09:14<Clorith>you dont have a beer helmet ?
09:14<shibu>hello, i would like to signup for a new account, but want to know how backups are handled... in their faq, it says backups are our responsibility
09:14<Clorith>Indeed they are
09:14<HoopyCat>i had a beer helmet when i was a kid, but i don't any more.
09:14<shibu>how does everyone here do backups
09:14<Clorith>shibu, you manage everything yoru self
09:15<Clorith>I just leave some space free and make a clone of the distro image
09:15<HoopyCat>shibu: i use rsync, although i've been considering looking at rsnapshot
09:15<Clorith>which isn't a good way of doing it of course
09:15<HoopyCat>Clorith: doesn't protect against host failure
09:15<Clorith>I know
09:15<Clorith>but my only big fear is me breaking the node my self xD
09:15<shibu>rsync it to some other server?
09:17<shibu>i guess you cannot pay them extra to make backups for you is it
09:17<HoopyCat>shibu: you could buy a second linode on another host. :-)
09:17<Peng_>JDLSpeedy: You weren't killed by the tropical storm, were you?
09:17<shibu>slicehost seems to provide backups for extra $
09:17<zeroday>hello all, how do i change the number of times postfix tries to send a message?
09:17<Peng_>shibu: Yes, they do. Linode doesn't.
09:17<shibu>Hoopy: good idea
09:17<Dave>zeroday: edit the postfix config?
09:17<zeroday>seems like it tries only twice, but with graylisting, the email is never recieved
09:17<HoopyCat>zeroday: messages have a lifespan; you edit the amount of time
09:18<HoopyCat>zeroday: sounds like it's not running the queue frequently enough
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09:19<zeroday>i did google for a solution, but didnt find one which is why I'm asking here
09:19<@tasaro>shibu: fwiw, there is a storage/backup service in the works
09:19<HoopyCat>shibu: there has been some amount of demand for a bulk storage service; however, being paranoid, i probably wouldn't 100% trust it anyway. it wouldn't protect against datacenter or company failure, although i could probably get away with weekly instead of daily backups :-)
09:19<Peng_>tasaro: But backups would still be up to the user, right?
09:20<bob2>zeroday: it'll try lots of times, and for days
09:20<HoopyCat>shibu: i don't think linode is going away any time soon, and datacenters relatively rarely destroy themselves, but i enjoy paranoia.
09:20<@tasaro>Peng_: i think that is still being decided, but i believe we are leaning towards leaving it in your hands
09:21<bob2>zeroday: if mail is going missing after two retries, it sounds like a problem on the remote end
09:21<@tasaro>shibu: and may be helpful
09:21<bob2>zeroday: but your logs will tell you what happened for sure
09:21<zeroday>bob2: i monitored my log, after trying twice, it stops
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09:22<HoopyCat>maximal_queue_lifetime (default: 5d)
09:22<bob2>I would be very very surprised
09:22<bob2>zeroday: are you sure you checked all your logs?
09:23<shibu>thanks guys I was wondering if to go with linode ot slice, I think i've decided with linode
09:23<zeroday>i'm gonna send an email to yahoo and monitor the log while it sends
09:23<shibu>will make backups to s3 or something
09:23<StevenK>caker: Re, my ticket. Duh, I should have thought of that. :-(
09:23<shibu>btw, plan to run zimbra mail server.. anything i should look out for
09:24<HoopyCat>zeroday: note that it might take longer than you'd expect; look at "mailq" to see the status and age of the messages
09:24<@caker>StevenK: did it work?
09:24<HoopyCat>i think it waits, like, 15 minutes or so before retrying
09:24<StevenK>caker: Just about to try it
09:25<bob2>doesn't it have some sort of backoff?
09:26<HoopyCat>bob2: yeah, rest assured that any open source MTA has had a committee of propellerheads design a statistically ideal backoff algorithm for queue retries
09:26<HoopyCat>except for sendmail, which is -q1h :-)
09:27<Mikef``> <--Lol
09:27<HoopyCat>minimal_backoff_time (default: 1000s)
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09:28<LinodeJavaUser>sorry got disconnected
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09:29*HoopyCat gets out the duct tape
09:29<LinodeJavaUser>is it easy to upgrade from 720 to 1080 later on if needed to? I am initialy signing up with 720
09:30<LinodeJavaUser>this is shibu, sorry got disconnected
09:30<Dave>LinodeJavaUser: yeah
09:30<Dave>just raise a ticket
09:30<fuzzie>yes, although it's possible you might have to move datacentres (and so IPs) if there's no 1080 available in the datacentre your 720 is in.
09:31<fuzzie>otherwise it's just a support ticket and then button-clicky magic.
09:31<LinodeJavaUser>Dave: will there be a downtime for upgrade, just a quick reboot I guess?
09:31<HoopyCat>fuzzie: or you can wait. :-)
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09:32<Peng_>LinodeJavaUser: There will be a little bit of downtime, since you'll be transferred to another machine.
09:32*HoopyCat wonders if RG&E would entertain moving the gas meter outside...
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09:39<StevenK>caker: That has sorted it, thanks.
09:39<exor674>I have to wonder
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09:39<exor674>when one migrated, when does their "slot" on the source host free up
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09:41<shifuimam>hello boys
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09:50<HoopyCat>i don't think there's any motivation whatsoever for someone to modify my messages in traALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
09:50<Peng_>exor674: Immediately, I imagine. Unless it was UML.
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10:10<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
10:10<HoopyCat>can slackware do this?
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10:13<cabot>just created a new linode.. where do I find the root password?
10:14<Peng_>cabot: You set it during creation.
10:14<@caker>when you deploy Linux
10:14*scott deploys caker's mom
10:15<cabot>is it different than the Lish Password
10:15<cabot>can i reset the root password from the dashboard
10:16<Nivex>In Soviet Russia, your mom deploys y... oh wait... :)
10:16<@caker>Nivex: heh
10:16<scott>so wrong
10:16<cabot>got it
10:17<shifuimam>someone help me out here...who is this?
10:17<TJF_>my mom deployed me
10:17<shifuimam>the character, that is; she looks familiar
10:17<HoopyCat>shifuimam: from the fifth element
10:18<Peng_>shifuimam: Fifth Element?
10:18<shifuimam>ah THAT'S it
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10:22<Nivex>Leeloo Minai Lekatariba Lamin-atchai Ekbat Desebat
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10:23<cabot>how should I allocate disk images? i am putting this into one large disk
10:23<cabot>will it be able to make copies of disks?
10:23<cabot>or duplicate them if I have space available
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10:25<Peng_>Can you do it with your Linode on?
10:25<cabot>and i can increast the size of images too correct? i.e. if i want to delete one image and add it on to the other image later
10:25<cabot>i think needs shutdown
10:26<cabot>if i have two images, can i have one image in one distro, and the other image in another distro
10:26<Peng_>cabot: Sure, but you can't boot them both at the same time.
10:26<Dave>you cant boot them at the same time though
10:29<zeroday>hmm strange, i can ping ipv6 sites from my linode, but i cant access them via my ssh tunnel
10:29<zeroday>i used to be able to access them before :/
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10:38<panthar>Can we get IPv6 IPs?
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10:39<Dave>panthar: through a 3rd party, yes
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10:39<panthar>ah like the hurricane tunnel, etc?
10:39<Dave>yeah, I use hurricane
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10:39<@linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: dallas83 in System and Network Status <>
10:41<zeroday>Dave: do you browse ipv6 sites via your ssh tunnel?
10:41<Clorith>wow, at least it was their favorite bug and not one they hate
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10:51<cabot>hi does the basic install of any server come with no apache, php etC?
10:52<zeroday>no, you have to install them yourself
10:52<cabot>ah, crap
10:52<@caker>ah crap? It's one line
10:52<zeroday>anyone know why i can ping ipv6 sites from inside my linode, but when i try to browse to it via my ssh tunnel, it doesnt find the address?
10:53<zeroday>it used to work before, dunno what changed
10:53<Pryon>Yeah, but he has to type with a toothpick superglued to a contact lens
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10:53<@caker>apt-get install apache2 php5 mysql-server <-- LAMP install. done.
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10:54<cabot>also does it run any kde or something into which i can vnc
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10:54<cabot>or is it plane jane unix
10:54<cabot>linux i mean
10:55<Pryon>It's whatever you install
10:55<Pryon>I've never tried, but I hear that vnc is probably not the way to go unless you've got infinite patience
10:56<Isvara>If you had KDE installed you'd be better of just using X remoting.
10:56<cabot>i am running centos which uses yum
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10:58<cabot>yum install apache2 did not work
10:58<cabot>i guess need to configure the repositoresi as well
10:58<@jadoba>cabot: we create the distro images with the lowest possible amount of pre-installed software so that our customers will not have to start removing things they do not need in order to start using their linode the way that they want
10:58<Majes>RSS a lil slow for Dallas83
10:58<Pryon>yum install bacon
10:59<cabot>Pryon: whats bacon
11:00<Pryon>the most perfect food
11:00<HoopyCat>Majes: it normally takes a little while for things to stabilize on a freshly-rebooted host; consider "oops, haven't fscked in six months, time to do a nice complete fsck" times 40
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11:00<Majes>fair enough
11:00<atourino>not fair
11:00<atourino>i just got here
11:01<Majes>just reminded me I haven't set up my crons on it yet, lol
11:01<cabot>jadoba: i would like to quickly get started on apache php and mysql on my centos install. I guess I need to first configure the yum repositoreis then?
11:01<HoopyCat>cabot: a cut of porcine meat, typically taken from the belly in the united states although other regions vary. it's often cured and smoked, then sliced and packaged for easy breakfast frying.
11:02<@caker>cabot: I googled it. First hit: yum install httpd php mysql mysql-server php-mysql
11:02<atourino>hey congrats to Linode for sponsoring Rails Rumble
11:02<@caker>atourino: :)
11:02<Pryon>Nivex: :-)
11:03<Majes>yum install debian
11:03<Pryon>almost as good as bacon
11:03<HoopyCat>cabot: the repos are usually pre-configured OK; try "yum search apache" to find apache, or listen to caker for he has the google :-)
11:04<cabot>thanks gus
11:05<cabot>can 5.0 be upgraded to 5.2 ? should be fine?
11:05<cabot>i mean centos
11:07<HoopyCat>it should work... can't remember how to do it, but i think i've done it before
11:07<HoopyCat>i'd do it before installing other stuff, in the name of efficiency, of course
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11:16<Peng_>Not to start this again, but...
11:16<Peng_>!nickometer __-_-_-__
11:16<@linbot>Peng_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "__-_-_-__" is 99.95%.
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11:17<Nivex>still no magic 100%
11:17<StevenK>!nickometer \|/-\|/
11:17<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\|/-\|/" is 99.97%.
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11:20<StevenK>!nickometer ____\|/-\|/____
11:20<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "____\|/-\|/____" is 99.98%.
11:20<Peng_>Sorry, but the current record is 99.996%.
11:21*StevenK has another idea
11:21<Nivex>!nickometer ____\|/war3zd00d\|/___
11:21<@linbot>Nivex: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "____\|/war3zd00d\|/___" is 99.98%.
11:21<StevenK>!nickometer o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O
11:21<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O" is 99.994%.
11:21<Nivex>!nickometer ____\|/oO0Oo\|/___
11:21<@linbot>Nivex: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "____\|/oO0Oo\|/___" is 99.98%.
11:22<StevenK>!nickometer ____\|/-\|/____o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O____\|/-\|/____
11:22<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "____\|/-\|/____o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O____\|/-\|/____" is 99.996%.
11:22<Nivex>!nickometer ____\|/oO0Oo\|/____
11:22<@linbot>Nivex: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "____\|/oO0Oo\|/____" is 99.98%.
11:22<Nivex>I"m stuck
11:22<cdlu>!nickometer ç
11:22<@caker>you know .. linbot responds to /msg
11:22<@linbot>cdlu: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ç" is 14.4%.
11:22<Peng_>Whoo-hoo, a tie!
11:22<Nivex>caker: but then we couldn't work off each other :)
11:22<StevenK>Indeed! Finding 100% by collaboration!
11:23*StevenK is trying to figure out how to make his last effort even more brutal
11:23*StevenK has an idea, though
11:24<Peng_>"My last idea, only twice as long"?
11:24<StevenK>!nickometer الإعدادات
11:24<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "الإعدادات" is 99.995%.
11:24<HoopyCat>StevenK: append [at_school]{{AFK}}
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11:24<StevenK>It's the word "Settings" in Arabic
11:24<charlie>!nickometer ?????????????????[at_school]{{AFK}}
11:25<charlie>grr linbot gives me an error for the [at_school] part
11:25<charlie>!nickometer ?????????????????(at_school){{AFK}}
11:25<@linbot>charlie: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "?????????????????(at_school){{AFK}}" is 99.992%.
11:25<Peng_>Aww, I only got 99.996%.
11:26<StevenK>!nickometer وحدة إطلاق سطح مكتب قائمة على الفوضى____\|/-\|/____o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O____\|/-\|/____
11:26<@linbot>StevenK: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "وحدة إطلاق سطح مكتب قائمة على الفوضى____\|/-\|/____o0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0Oo0O____\|/-\|/____" is 99.998%.
11:26<charlie>leik zomg
11:26<atourino>well played chap
11:26<charlie>try reading the source for the nickometer module
11:26<StevenK>But that's cheating
11:27<StevenK>Now to figure out how to wring 0.002% out of it
11:27<atourino>i bet the 100% is only awarded to a certain nick... mikegrb
11:27<Nivex>I haven't been able to FIND the source for the nickometer module
11:27<charlie>!nickometer mikegrb
11:27<@linbot>charlie: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "mikegrb" is 0.0%.
11:27<charlie>!nickometer charlie
11:27<@linbot>charlie: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "charlie" is 0.0%.
11:28<atourino>I wouldve lost in that bet
11:28<charlie>Nivex: this might help, though i don't think its used in supybot as supybot is written in python:
11:28<charlie>atourino: yeah you would've :P
11:28<charlie>wanna put money on it now? ;-P
11:28<Nivex>charlie: I was using that one but it didn't seem to behave the same way
11:28<atourino>sure! but i will bet on the 0%
11:30<Nivex>ah, I think I found it
11:31<StevenK>Nivex: Spill
11:34<StevenK>Hm. I think 99.998 is a cap
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11:42<StevenK>Right. One needs a *large* score to get 100.0
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11:52<Pryon>If the comment in the code is accurate, reaching 100% is not possible
11:52<Pryon>But I'm too lazy to read the code
11:54<JDLSpeedy>Peng: im still here
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12:34<HoopyCat><3 friends... "we never hang out any more!" "that's 'cuz we're usually in bed when you propose hanging out." "let's have a dinner night!" "ok, weeknights are out during the foreseeable future, and there's football too... how's 4:30pm after the early NFL game sound?" "dude, we don't eat before 8pm" "..."
12:37<HoopyCat>p.s. that nickometer unicode test crap is death to my terminal :-)
12:40<cruxeternus>!nickometer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:40<@linbot>cruxeternus: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is 99.996%.
12:41<panthar>!nickometer !**!&$*&!#^*!&^($*^(^$(^#*&^##
12:41<@linbot>panthar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!**!&$*&!#^*!&^($*^(^$(^#*&^##" is 99.996%.
12:44<panthar>!nickometer '); DELETE FROM USERS;
12:44<@linbot>panthar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "'); DELETE FROM USERS;" is 99.97%.
12:44<@jadoba>!nickometer lame nick-o-meter
12:44<@linbot>jadoba: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "lame nick-o-meter" is 96.1%.
12:45<panthar>!nickometer P@nTh@R
12:45<@linbot>panthar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "P@nTh@R" is 78.7%.
12:48<@caker>linbot: unload Nickometer
12:48<@linbot>caker: The operation succeeded.
12:48<SelfishMan>Thank you!
12:48<@linbot>cruxeternus: *click*
12:49<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
12:49<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
12:49-!-SelfishMan was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!]
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12:49*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
12:49<cruxeternus>I knew you couldn't resist.
12:49<SelfishMan>Yep. Now I'm betting a few others join in because it's human nature.
12:49<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
12:49<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
12:49<@linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
12:50<SelfishMan>I'm thinking one more and then *bang*
12:50<emag>SelfishMan: try it only 3 more times!
12:50-!-SelfishMan was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!]
12:50*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
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12:50<SelfishMan>lost that bet
12:50<emag>SelfishMan: try it 7 more times!
12:51<emag>ok, wimp, 6!
12:51<SelfishMan>you first
12:51<emag>nah, i'm more of a spectator
12:51<emag>that's me... a milksop
12:54<@linbot>pygmalion: *click*
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13:36<Peng>Errr what?
13:36<Peng>I think SSH just died.
13:36<Peng>Heh, irssi's last words were "[Lag: 6.65]".
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13:37<commmmodo>hi, i'm about to sign up for linode hosting, and I need help configuring my server for a RoR app. is anyone here interested in that sort of work? thanks
13:37<Peng>Hmm, I can ping Peng_ fine.
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13:38<Peng>Now I can't.
13:38<aaronpk_>where did dallas70 go? anyone else having trouble with it?
13:38<Peng>mtr reports quite a lot of packet loss on the last hop.
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13:38<Peng>aaronpk_: Network issues apparently.
13:38*Peng pokes caker.
13:38<Dave2>I'm having trouble with dallas70 too
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13:38<Dave2>I think I'm on 70 anyway
13:38<Peng>caker: Who's DDoSing Dallas now?
13:39<Peng>i'm on dallas62.
13:39<Dave2>nope, 71 im on
13:39<tierra-cgi>weird that one of my Dallas nodes is fine while the other isn't
13:39<Peng_>SSH is working a bit.
13:39<aaronpk_>i lost my ssh session a few minutes ago
13:39<Peng>Yeah, I wrote that like 5 seconds ago. But still.
13:39<Peng>tierra-cgi: It might be a DDoS that's only saturating one switch.
13:40<Peng>[17:39:52] * Ping reply from Peng_: 99.58 second(s)
13:40<Peng_>SSH is all caught up now.
13:40<aaronpk_>traceroute shows it's fine up until dallas70
13:40<Peng_>Still a lot of packet loss.
13:40<Peng>aaronpk_: Mm-hmm.
13:40<aaronpk_>last entry in traceroute before it times out: ( 67.656 ms 67.372 ms ( 65.483 ms
13:41<Dave2>aaron, try tracerouting to your actual host
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13:41<Dave2>bye me
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13:42<Peng>SSH feels really dead now.
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13:42<aaronpk_>Dave2: is the last host seen again
13:43<erikh>emag: looks like you're getting DoSSed again :)
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13:43<Peng>Here they go
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13:43*Peng grabs Peng_
13:43<cabot>hello, just installed appache, and started it, but i cannot seem to view the page from the server's ip address
13:43<Peng>Packet loss is much higher now.
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13:43<Peng>cabot: You're not in Dallas, are you?
13:43<cabot>yes, in dallas
13:43<JDLSpeedy_>Peng: yes
13:44<Peng>It went from like 65% to 90%.
13:44<JDLSpeedy_>im in dallas too
13:44<Peng>cabot: Yeah, well, it might be because Dallas is being DDoSed or something right now.
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13:44<tierra-cgi>yeah, I've been seeing 100% loss this entire time
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13:44<Peng>JDLSpeedy_: So you're not dead from the tropical storm?
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13:44<percy>hi all.. is dallas70 having issues?
13:44*Talman raises an eyebrow. "Who pissed off whom, and why are they always in Dallas?"
13:44<gpd>dallas71 ???
13:44<Peng>percy: Network issue
13:44<JDLSpeedy_>Peng: nope
13:45<Peng>gpd: Network issue (presumably DDoS)
13:45<percy>ahhh. fun.
13:45<Peng>JDLSpeedy_: That's good. :)
13:45<Zotnix>Ah, okay. Hehe
13:45<gpd>ugh :(
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13:45<apache>go figure, another ddos
13:45<Talman>Needs more IP fallover to Newark and Fremont.
13:45<Peng>(we assume)
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13:45<Nivex>Needs more cowbell?
13:45<Talman>That goes without saying.
13:45<aaronpk_>it isn't possible to do IP failover between different data centers is it?
13:46<percy>well.. as long as it's not my linode.. i guess it's better than hearing, "everything's fine.. your box must be borked"
13:46<Talman>Seriously, though, is down too? I need to screw with DNS.
13:46<SelfishMan>Ugh. Node mysteriously down.
13:46<cabot>but i Cannot also access the index.html in /var/www/html using lynx localhost
13:46<commmmodo>hi, i'm about to sign up for linode hosting, and I need help configuring my server for a RoR app. is anyone here interested in that sort of work? thanks
13:46<Talman>Unknown on the IP fallover, actually. I would think so.
13:46<tierra-cgi>aaronpk_: *nope
13:47<tierra-cgi>has to be the same datacenter
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13:47<SelfishMan>aaronpk_: In order to do IP failover you need an IP to exist in multiple DCs so basically, no.
13:47<percy>it's doable as long as they're broadcasting the routes to the blocks.. i think.
13:47<aaronpk_>well that isn't particularly useful then is it?
13:47<SelfishMan>Service failover is possible though.
13:47<Peng>commmmodo: This channel is pretty helpful, but I don't know how many of us are experienced with RoR.
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13:47<djweezy>dallas having issues?
13:47<Peng>commmmodo: A Xen VPS is just another Linux box, so you can use a generic tutorial.
13:47<Peng>djweezy: Yes
13:47<Talman>You could say that.
13:47<djweezy>Peng: any ideas whats up?
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13:47<aaronpk_>network issue apparently
13:48<SelfishMan>They nuked dallas71 it looks like
13:48<Peng>djweezy: We can assume it's another DDoS, but there's been no official word
13:48<Talman>Also, just pick the RoR install how-to for your distro, commmmodo.
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13:48<Peng>Poor Peng_.
13:48<aaronpk_>djweezy: yea, pretty much
13:48<Nivex>fudge, where?
13:48<Peng>"Remote host closed the connection"? Why?
13:48<SelfishMan>I find it funny that only part of the Dallas network is non-existent
13:48<JDLSpeedy_>out of 60 pings, i got 1 recieved and it was up in the 2000ms
13:48<Talman>I am curious to know what is being DDoSed so much, actually.
13:48<tierra-cgi>aaronpk_: it is still useful for many situations, but it's not like you could do IP failover between 2 datacenters with any hosting provider
13:48<Peng>I'm having much more success. Packet loss is only like 80%.
13:48<JDLSpeedy_>Im connected via Linode Web IRC
13:48<sbyrne>Trouble in Texas?
13:49<aaronpk_>how are you supposed to handle situations like this for a high availability setup then?
13:49<Peng>Man, JDLSpeedy had been idle for like 11 days, and now this stupid DDoS ruined it.
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13:49<JDLSpeedy_>which is dallas
13:49<Peng>sbyrne: indeed
13:49<SelfishMan>100% loss between dallas77 and dallas71
13:49<SelfishMan>and it's back
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13:49<sbyrne>I assume Linude staff is aware?
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13:49<djweezy>im back in
13:49<commmmodo>thanks Peng, Talman, i was hoping to hire someone to set up postfix, at the least. do you guys have someone in the community who is familiar with this stuff?
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13:49<JDLSpeedy_>Peng: what you trying to say?
13:49<Talman>What time is it in the lower 48?
13:49<erikh>linude; i'd pay to see that.
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13:50<Talman>commmmodo... are you familiar with Linux system administration? At all?
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13:50<SelfishMan>Talman: Somewhere between 10:50 am and 1:50 am
13:50<Dave2>looks fixed?
13:50<JDLSpeedy_>Peng_: why you put me into the picture?
13:50<Talman>1:50 AM?!
13:50<commmmodo>Peng, Talman: i am comfortable with the basics, like setting up imagemagik and the other packages i need. i just am low on time. i had to do a mail server config a few years ago, and it was a nightmare...
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13:50<Talman>* commmmodo: Use an apt based distro. apt-get postfix. Done. *
13:51<SelfishMan>Mail servers are easy.
13:51<Dave>SelfishMan: your mom is easy
13:51<JDLSpeedy_>looks like part of dallas is back up
13:51<commmmodo>sounds good Talman, Selfishman, Peng, i will do that then. do you guys ... hahahaha
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13:51<Talman>The biggest headache I had with postfix was TLS authentication. :)
13:51<SelfishMan>Dave: I know, what's your point?
13:51<HoopyCat>wait, dallas was broken?
13:51<sbyrne>commmmodo: Do you need vhosts, usernames from a database, or other complex things?
13:51<Dave>no point
13:51<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Your mom was broken
13:51<commmmodo>sbyrne: no vhosts, root is fine, i need mysql, nothing else
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13:52<Talman>Also, spinrite for Windows: Should this touch my hard drive?
13:52<Dave>commmmodo: apt-get install mysql5-server
13:52<mitc0185>Can anyone confirm that dallas was broken?
13:52<Zotnix>hoopy: Yeah, for a little bit.
13:52<SelfishMan>Steve Gibson is an idiot
13:52<Dave>mitc0185: yeah, was
13:52<SelfishMan>Index that Google
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13:52<Dave>SelfishMan: yeah he is
13:52<Zotnix>Like... 10 minutes at the most.
13:52<Talman>I'm aware that he is.
13:52<Talman>But does his stuff work? :)
13:52<sbyrne>commmmodo: Does Postfix have to do anything with MySQL?
13:52<commmmodo>ah, i think when I did postfix before the apt-get wasn't up to date or something and i had to build by hand for what they needed.. as i said, it was traumatic
13:52<aaronpk_>wow.. my cpu usage chart on the linode manager dropped to 0% during that outage. i assume that's cause the host was unreachable from the monitoring program?
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13:53<commmmodo>sbyrne, sorry when you said usernames from a database, i read "usernames FOR a database" my bad...
13:53<aaronpk_>postfix + mysql is a really good way to do it. you can add users without editing conf files that way.
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13:53<Talman>commmmodo sounds like a web developer.
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13:53<commmmodo>ok cool thanks aaronpk_
13:53<Talman>s/he needs a sysadmin.
13:53<commmmodo>hahaha shut up Talman ;)
13:53<percy>so.. who was getting ddos'd?
13:53<aaronpk_>let me point you to a tutorial
13:53<percy>which customer?.. hehe.. let's kill him.
13:53<Talman>Or, the time to learn how to be one.
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13:54<sole>my linode keeps dropping ssh sessions and will not respond to requests, as well as killing everything that was using the interweb inside the sessions, but still responds to http/pop/smtp requests?
13:54<aaronpk_>commmmodo: look for the "Virtual Users And Domains With Postfix, Courier, MySQL And SquirrelMail" for your linux distro
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13:54<commmmodo>aaronpk_ gotcha, thanks for the link
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13:54<sole>by kill i do not mean kill, it just disconnects :|
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13:55<HoopyCat>sole: there was a brief network burp for some dallas hosts a few minutes back
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13:56<sole>this happens quite a bit :|
13:56<Peng>Dallas was down for like 15 minutes.
13:56<sole>and it will be non-responsive to ssh requests for about 5 minutes
13:57<sole>but i can still make all the http connections i want :|
13:57<HoopyCat>sole: ok, then it's probably not that then. can you get in via lish and see if anything looks weird when it happens?
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13:57<sole>haven't tried lish, will try it next time it happens :|
13:57<percy>just wondering.. if i purchased another linode and just used the clone functionality in the web portal, I'd theoretically have a backup I could just "start up" in the case of failure right?
13:57<percy>assuming the other linode was on another machine..
13:58<SelfishMan>percy: Yes. I use that feature often.
13:58<percy>yeah.. I'm thinking of doing that...
13:58<percy>just wondering how reliable it was..
13:58<HoopyCat>Peng: i wonder if it was a theplanet issue; i tunnel ssh and IRC over IPv6 via the HE dallas tunnelbroker and things were fine for me. hmm.
13:58<Talman>I think there's even IP fall over or whatever.
13:59<Peng_>HoopyCat: Huh
13:59<Talman>1) What's a tunnelbroker.
13:59<Peng_>You can't fail IPs over between data centers.
13:59<HoopyCat>sole: familiarizing yourself with tcpdump would probably be a good idea, to figure out where stuff's dying... also, top is a useful command sometimes
14:00<Peng_>Talman: IPv4 to IPv6 tunnels.
14:00<Talman>Then how can you have high availablity. :(
14:01<bd_>percy: shut down your linode before cloning - afaik there's no provision to ensure it's an atomic snapshot
14:01<sole>HoopyCat: i doubt it could be anything huge larding up the system, i host a tiny personal thing and use irc on it :[
14:01<percy>yeah.. i'd definitely do that..
14:01<bd_>or use rsync to copy from within it (this will consume your bw quota but be a lot more controllable)
14:02<hachi>did we just have another network outage?
14:02<HoopyCat>Talman: DNS-based failover is a good start. certainly having inter-datacenter IP failover makes it *easier*, but i wouldn't consider it *better* since it involves adding a lot of Complex Network Parts (tm)
14:02<Peng_>hachi: Yes
14:02<percy>suggestion: how about a linode service that automatically shuts down your linode and backs it up to another linode automatically as per a schedule you define in the linode manager?
14:02<Peng_>caker: So...what happened to Dallas?
14:03<Talman>Does Caker live?
14:03<bd_>HoopyCat: moreover, inter-DC IP failover won't help if you have a DDOS hitting the DC
14:04<bd_>and if you don't, intra-DC failover is good enough
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14:05<HoopyCat>i'm personally rather a fan of anycast, but that's Not Going To Be Cheap, No Sir
14:06<bd_>HoopyCat: you'd just anycast the DDOS :)
14:06<bd_>and then all of the DCs can go down at the same time
14:07<commmmodo>hey Peng, Talman: do you guys have a distro to recommend? i've only used ubuntu server before.
14:07<HoopyCat>bd_: if you can afford anycast, you can afford some nice DDoS-mitigation hardware. :-) that said, if you've got five datacenters to take out, all things being equal, you're going to need five times the traffic...
14:07<Talman>That's what I use.
14:07<bd_>HoopyCat: true, but if the DDOS does succeed, then you're totally dead in the water
14:08<bd_>also, I assume you mean anycast, then tunneling?
14:08<bd_>as TCP doesn't really like straight anycast
14:08<bd_>in which case you'll increase latency a good bit
14:09<Talman>What is this ... anycast?
14:09<HoopyCat>bd_: most of my experience has been with stateless UDP apps. ;-)
14:09<hachi>you can actually do some awesome tricks using anycast with HTTP And then stuffing a redirect into a single response packet
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14:10<HoopyCat>Talman: announcing the same /24 or whatnot from completely different locations
14:10<HoopyCat>Talman: BGP-based load balancing and failover, basically
14:11<Talman>I sees.
14:11<Talman>I haven't gotten a ping reply in 60 seconds. I love my cell phone.
14:11<Peng>Oh dammit. irssi screwed up.
14:12<Peng>It forgot to reconnect to two networks.
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14:12*apache stabs bitchx with a pike for not reconnecting to the network i had it on :(
14:13<percy>wow.. rick astley on the linode ivr.. *chuckle*
14:13*Talman gets a 2x4 for apache, since s/he is using bitchx.
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14:13<ijustam>so i found out that running screen inside of lish is a small disaster
14:13<Talman>That's... ... :(
14:13<Peng>3 networks
14:13<Talman>So screen won't run inside itself? :)
14:13<Peng>Talman: It will
14:13<hachi>sure it can
14:14<hachi>you have to be smart enough to use it like that
14:14<ijustam>i ran screen inside of lish and trhen it suddenly became unresponsive
14:14<Talman>I was going to say, I'm doing it right now.
14:14<ijustam>im a screen noob so i didnt know wtf
14:14<bd_>ijustam: C-a a to issue a C-a to the inner one :)
14:14<Peng_>irssi isn't quite as bad as X-Chat, but almost.
14:14<bd_>ex: C-a a d (detach inner screen)
14:15<Peng_>X-Chat takes 20 minutes to realize it's pinged out, but it reconnects reliably.
14:15<HoopyCat>hachi: that is beautiful. i figure that, given sufficient inter-node cooperation and mad custom code, it might be possible to do it without redirects, but i believe the redirects will be less likely to release deadly radiation
14:15<TJF_> <-- barack roll for those keeping score
14:15<bd_>SCTP would probably work nicely like that, what with its support for multiple IP address end points
14:15<Peng_>irssi takes 300 seconds, which is kind of a bad thing. Most IRC networks use 480 seconds, so the connection might be sort of alive, but irssi will disconnect.
14:16<bd_>14:15 lag_max_before_disconnect = 5min
14:16<bd_>^^^ change that then :)
14:16<hachi>HoopyCat: you can actually do roughly the same trick by serving dns from anycast addresses, and letting it do redirects at the dns layer
14:16<hachi>problem with that is you end up routing for the resolver, not the web browser... but it's cheaper :)
14:17<HoopyCat>TJF_: oh god, my kidneys
14:17<Peng_>bd_: What's the syntax for using a number of seconds? Just "123"?
14:17<HoopyCat>hachi: nod... it's all tradeoffs. :-)
14:18<hachi>is there a feed or some other news source to get network status updates for linode?
14:19<hachi>I do appreciate this IRC channel, but when my phone starts telling me about an outage, I'd also love to feed it whatever linode's network status is
14:19<HoopyCat>hachi: the system and network status forum is good for advice of reboots and protracted network issues; for the ones below 15 minutes, IRC seems to be the way
14:20<percy>so... any centos gurus wanna make a few quick bucks? I just bought another linode and would rather hire someone to setup a backup box for me rather than do it myself.. (no time.. and I'm lazy)
14:21<bd_>Peng_: probably
14:21<hachi>but neither the forum nor IRC are machine parsable or anything close to it
14:21<Peng_>bd_: Next time there's a DDoS, if I never reconnect, or irssi explodes, I'm blaming you. :P
14:21<bd_>Peng_: ifconfig eth0 down and see how long it takes :P
14:22<HoopyCat>hachi: it might be a good idea to stick a box with nagios in your home or office and monitor your linode and its host and default gateway
14:22<hachi>that's what I do
14:22*percy uses argus for monitoring..
14:23<hachi>still doesn't tell me if it's my fault
14:23<HoopyCat>hachi: if the host and/or default gateway are down, it's probably not your fault. :-)
14:23<HoopyCat>unless, of course, it's a problem between you and the datacenter
14:23<hachi>oh, you mean the gateway on the far end
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14:25<HoopyCat>hachi: nod... the default gateways are different network elements than the hosts, so that'll help discriminate between a host/switch belch and a network problem, too
14:25<HoopyCat>you could just spend all day IRCing from your linode, which is, alas, what i do.
14:26<hachi>I don't
14:26<hachi>I use my box in SF to IRC
14:27<hachi>so, do you have any thoughts on a similar parallel for monitoring the gateway in an ipv6 setup?
14:28<hachi>cause you can't just hard-code it... router adverts and whatnot
14:28<HoopyCat>hachi: it's a bit more of a problem, because the "host" and "default gateway" have number of IPv4 hops in the middle in most current tunneling situations.
14:29<HoopyCat>plus, yeah, there's more dynamicity involved
14:30<hachi>I /am/ dynamic
14:33<HoopyCat>'tis a field for research, i figure.
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14:35<Peng_>Oops, I should turn mtr off. It's sent 964 packets.
14:36<Dave>Peng_: pffft, I pinged a customer 60k times overnight
14:36<Dave>last night
14:37<Mikef``>how do you restart networking on debian? it doesn't seem to like me :x
14:37<Mikef``>-bash: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory
14:37<Palintheus>tab-complete ftw
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14:38<cruxeternus>Oh look, it's the return of BubbleWrap.
14:38<Mikef``>i thought it was /etc/init.d/network restart. thanks guys.
14:38<scott>dont forget ls
14:38<Mikef``>hi crux :]
14:38<@caker>access denied
14:39<scott>oh yeah, grats to caker on his new kid
14:39<Mikef``>caker has a kid? o.o
14:39<scott>well, the kid that is coming
14:39<cruxeternus>caker = dad?
14:39<@caker>no, that'd be mikegrb
14:39<cruxeternus>mikegrb is your kid?
14:39<scott>yeah, with mikegrb's wife
14:40<Mikef``>caker and mikegrb=married?
14:40<scott>you would think that sometimes
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14:42<Mikef``>can somebody give me a site to ping6? he one im trying said network unreachable. :\
14:42<Pryon>I thought you were all in to freebsd now?
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14:42<Mikef``>freebsd just pisses me off..i got a friend with one of those >.<
14:43<ijustam>i used to use bsd
14:43<ijustam>once my IDE controller comes in ill be using it again
14:44<ijustam>and my power supply
14:44<Mikef``>ijustam, know an ipv6 addy i can ping6?
14:44<ijustam>sure don't :\
14:45<Pryon>people here sure have the hots for ipv6
14:45<ijustam>i thought of adding ipv6 support
14:45<ijustam>but then i thought, "meh, too lazy"
14:45<ijustam>and that was that
14:45<Peng_>caker: So, what happened to Dallas?
14:46<ijustam>Host key {stuff} blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1))
14:46*Mikef`` googles then
14:46<HoopyCat>ijustam: pwnd
14:46<bd_>also mtr -6 >>>> ping6 :3
14:47<Mikef``>ty bd_
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14:48<Mikef``>connect: Network is unreachable
14:48<kickit>new account holder here
14:48<kickit>anyone got a sec for a quick question?
14:48<bd_>Mikef``: sounds like your ipv6 tunnel's not up
14:48<Mikef``>geeze..i wonder what i did wrong. *looks around*
14:48<Pryon>kickit: another one, you mean?
14:48<Mikef``>i just edit /etc/network/interfaces with nano then restart networking, right?
14:49<kickit>another one? not sure what you mean
14:49<kickit>at any rate...
14:49<kickit>about ssh
14:49<ijustam>blacklisted due to old version of keygen
14:49<Pryon>You asked a question already. Just being a dork
14:49<HoopyCat>Pryon == git
14:49<Clorith>ok so I found my self a new guide so I know I set up my ipv6 rdns properly, and I'm confused...again xD
14:49<Pryon>kickit: ask away
14:49<kickit>what is the default username and pass for a new account holder? is this root and pass being something you setup?
14:50<Clorith>you sett it up your self
14:50<Clorith>but it would be root, yes
14:50<HoopyCat>kickit: during the deploy, you set a root password; it'd be root and that password
14:50<Mikef``>marius, just use
14:50<Clorith>I wont use and their stupid vhosts
14:50<kickit>so the password that you setup when signing up with a new account via the web interface? or must i go through lish and set this up myserlf?
14:51<bd_>kickit: There's a 'distro wizard'. It'll prompt there.
14:51<Clorith>I am doing this my self because I DONT want those anoying hosts
14:51<bd_>(that's the easy way, you can use finnix and lish if you're bored :)
14:51<HoopyCat>Clorith: IN PTR
14:51<erikh>"how can I automate attacks on new linode hosts?"
14:52<Clorith> <--- I jsut found that
14:52<Clorith>and it's got so many different kinds
14:52<kickit>okay, i see the distro wizard, thx
14:52<erikh>IPv6 CIDR isn't much better
14:53<Clorith>well, I'm using 4to6 (as stated many a time), so I'm not sure which of the examples would apply to me
14:53<Clorith>like one of the examples requires 2 zones and stuff...
14:54<Clorith>so confused =(
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14:54<Mikef``>Marius u dumdum
14:55<ijustam>so i told ssh to disable root login
14:55<ijustam>does it just deny eveyr opassword?
14:55<Mikef``> hosts your rdns and you can set your own ptr and aaaa records, you dont need to use their vhost ;)
14:55<ijustam>because i can enter root to the username prompt
14:55<HoopyCat>ijustam: yep
14:55<Mikef``>click rdns on their site.
14:55<ijustam>HoopyCat: k
14:55<Clorith>now THAT is an example I can relate to :D
14:56<Clorith>does that use linodes nameservers (import zone config on the dns manager?)
14:56<bd_>Mikef``: the DNS manager hosts rdns too :P
14:56<bd_>although it might need to be in a slave config
14:57<HoopyCat>Clorith: add a new domain zone -> slave,
14:57<HoopyCat>Clorith: btw, add IN NS records for ns3 and too. *fixes that*
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14:57<kickit>okay... was able to successfully ssh into the new box after doing this... thx for the help folks!
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14:59<Clorith>I see
15:00<Clorith>I've bee nstrugglign with this for a disturbingly long time, haven't I? :P
15:00*apache fingers Clorith
15:00<HoopyCat>Clorith: yeah... in fact, i think i pastebin'd that exact example a month ago too :-)
15:00<Mikef``>bd_, nto ipv6
15:01<Clorith>well, my firefox has a habit of crashing and not storing it's tabs/history
15:01<apache>firefox lol
15:02<apache>some reason my google toolbar disapeared and i cant close the add-ons window :S
15:02<apache>dont realy want to restart ff to fix it lol
15:02<apache>brb food
15:03<Zotnix_>HoopyCat: I think I am slightly clever.
15:03<SelfishMan>fingering? Eh?
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15:03<Mikef``>still can't get my tunnel working *sighs*
15:03<HoopyCat>Zotnix_: somehow, my wife follows two people on twitter: me and you. that's cleverness.
15:04<SelfishMan>Mikef``: rm -rf /
15:04<Zotnix_>HoopyCat: Hah. I need to update that more too :(.
15:04<Zotnix_>HoopyCat: ;)
15:04<Mikef``>I just might have to SelfishMan
15:04*Zotnix_ waits for the "I see what you did there"
15:04<Clorith>Mikef``, and yo uare complaining about me ?
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15:04<HoopyCat>Zotnix_: i see what you did there
15:05<Mikef``>CLorith, when did i complain about you? o.O
15:05<Mikef``>your like my bestest friend :D
15:05<SelfishMan>Get a room you too
15:05<Zotnix_>HoopyCat: Hehe.
15:07<lapluviosilla>Hey all! One quick question if you don't mind. Does linode's network support multicast? We're thinking of setting up a JBoss and MySQL cluster. Perhaps we'll also need LCDS and a load balancer. Thx!
15:08<JasonF>Hey all! One quick question if you don't mind. Does linode's network support multicast? We're thinking of setting up a JBoss and MySQL cluster. Perhaps we'll also need LCDS and a load balancer. Thx!
15:08<JasonF>(the irc channel supports multicasting)
15:08<JasonF>ba-da ching!
15:08<JasonF>I don't know, lapluviosilla
15:09<HoopyCat>lapluviosilla: hmmmm... my hunch says no, but indeed, that's a new one. curiously, more people ask about IPv6 :-)
15:09<JasonF>I have ipv6
15:09<JasonF><3 tunneling
15:09<cruxeternus>ipv6 is the next HD-DVD... wait for ipv8
15:09<SelfishMan>I hate CSS
15:09<bd_>I'm pretty sure the firewall rules only alloc point-to-point stuff
15:10<lapluviosilla>Heh heh, yeah. We were going to use Amazon EC2 cloud hosting originally, but it seemed almost impossible to get any sort of cluster going even with unicast.
15:11<@caker>-p IPv4 --ip-src -j ACCEPT , pcnt = 2 -- bcnt = 656
15:11<HoopyCat>lapluviosilla: each datacenter has a backend network that can be used for free transfers between linodes in that datacenter, so if unicast is an option, there you go
15:12<@caker>never mind ... :)
15:12*HoopyCat locks caker out due to a typo
15:13<lapluviosilla>Most hosting services don't allow multicast anyway so we'll just have to go with unicast. Thx!
15:14<Peng_>caker: Wait, now I know you're here! What happened to Dallas?
15:15<@caker>Peng_: DDoS; user has been asked to depart from Linode
15:15<Peng_>caker: OK. :)
15:15<@caker>three strikes.
15:15<@caker>(this time, anyway).
15:15<Peng_>So the user was involved in some of the other recent DDoSes?
15:17<@tasaro>none of the recent, has previous TOS ticket(s)
15:19<Peng_>Dallas network issues have sure gotten more frequent recently.
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15:20<kickit>hi another question from the linode n00b
15:20<bd_>Peng_: Needs bigger tubes.
15:21<bd_>And in parallel, not series.
15:21<kickit>if i use linode's dns, instead of installing bind myself, where do i find the nameservers for my account?
15:21<bd_>kickit: ns[1234]
15:21<kickit>that's for all accounts?
15:21<Peng_>kickit: yes
15:21<kickit>thx bd_ Peng_
15:26<Pryon>I'm really not a git, but I shouldn't IRC when I'm cranky.
15:27<JasonF>caker: feature request for linode DNS manager: you should let me do my IPv6 reverse lookup records :)
15:27<JasonF>I wonder if those, by definition, have to be accessable over ipv6?
15:28<avongauss>no, they do not, but it would be nice if they were...
15:28*Mikef`` figured out problem.
15:28*tasaro holds back.
15:28<JasonF>I should just learn how to write the zonefile for those P
15:28<avongauss>let it out... ;)
15:28<xorl>hey JasonF :)
15:29<JasonF>hey xorl
15:29<xorl>from love-sources
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15:48<SelfishMan>I need a good laugh
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15:49<SelfishMan>staff type peoples: can you give me access to Mikef``'s linode so I can undo a bunch of his hard work?
15:49<ijustam>there's your laff
15:50<avongauss>How can they give something they don't have? Last I saw, he didn't have a Linode for the last month.
15:50<SelfishMan>Seriously? Then why is he in here? Aren't there laws against that?
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15:50<avongauss>Now you're asking a good question, it just happens to be one that I cannot answer...
15:50<SelfishMan>Aha! We meet again!
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16:01<HoopyCat>ijustam: "I Love How--" "--ie Mandel's Comedy"
16:01<SelfishMan>I don't get it
16:02<ijustam>Howie Mandel
16:02<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: he's the host of deal or no deal
16:02<SelfishMan>I hate double sided DVDs
16:03<SelfishMan>What's deal or no deal?
16:03<Dave>they hate you too
16:03<Dave>a shit tv show
16:03<SelfishMan>Dave: Well that was just mean!
16:03<SelfishMan>What's wikipedia?
16:03<Dave>I'm not here to make friends!
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16:04<SelfishMan>The only good part of Deal or No Deal is when the people realize they got greedy and now are only taking home $100.
16:06<SelfishMan>OK, so Carnegie Mellon has developed a way to verify self-signed certificates to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks. They use a peer-to-peer 3rd party system. Isn't that a little like existing methods?
16:06<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: Britney Lewzader's epic No Deal on a $365,000 and a lifetime's supply of cotton swabs is definitely a symptom of what's wrong with society these days
16:06<SelfishMan>I mean, the only difference between a self-signed and a full cert is that someone else signed it validating your (non)existence.
16:07<HoopyCat>i mean, sheesh, ear crust sucks
16:07<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: haven't read the full details, but it sounds a lot like the PGP web of trust to me
16:07<SelfishMan>Al those cotton swaps and she turned them down? wtf?
16:07<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: they were probably name-brand ones, and not the crap-ass store-brand ones i buy that have a 10% defect rate
16:08<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: Yeah, that's what it looks like but still, if I'm having someone else validate it then how is it different?
16:09<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: if done right, it doesn't involve trusting a single third party whose interest is primarily financial
16:09<SelfishMan>I guess that's the only benefit then
16:09*SelfishMan downloads plugin now
16:10<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: it's a big benefit, actually. i trust three people i work with and a couple guys i watch football with a hell of a lot more than i trust verisign, you know?
16:11<SelfishMan>Nobody trusts Verisign but they still pay them. Bastards.
16:12<SelfishMan>Hopefully a bunch of sites start using this soon as Firefox 3 has major issues with self-signed certs. I had 75 exceptions before I rolled back to FF2
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16:12<vendorhost>any admin here ? I need help
16:12<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: oh, i'd trust them with my money. i just don't trust them not to trust anyone who gives them money, you know?
16:13<HoopyCat>vendorhost: they're usually around this time of the day (they're the ones with ops); ask away and they'll probably show up :-)
16:15<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: you can add exceptions for known-good self-signed certs, you know
16:15<SelfishMan>I know but I was tired of adding them, you know
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16:16<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: FF2 doesn't have the awesomebar, you know
16:16<SelfishMan>I use the oldbar plugin to disable the awesome bar in FF3, you know
16:17<SelfishMan>Ha! When I opened FF3 and went to addons it gave me an error about the mozilla SSL cert and blocked the page. Payback you jerks.
16:17<SelfishMan>I hope they forgot to renew their cert
16:17<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: you're a luddite with no sense of the ever-present force of progress, and your soul is made of cinderblocks and that ucky yellow expanding insulation, you know
16:18<SelfishMan>What's your point?
16:18<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: i dunno, i was just thinking of cinderblocks.
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16:19<percy>ahhh.. how i love my iphone.. it has no signal while my razr does..
16:20<emag>percy: clearly you have an agenda against apple. why are you such a hater?
16:21<emag>you're deliberately blocking signal...
16:21<SelfishMan>Haven't you heard? Some engineers did a bit of testing and found that the iPhone 3G has comparable signal strength as most phones.
16:21<SelfishMan>So it must be you.
16:22<emag>and you could just use wifi anyway
16:23<percy>hah... yeah.. ;)
16:23<percy>i'm on wifi for now, but no incoming calls.. :(
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16:23<emag>that's unpossible!
16:24<ijustam>you need the iTenna
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16:24<ijustam>the proprietary apple version of an antenna
16:24<pkwong->ahh.. yes.. actually, i'd love to have a femtocell in my house.
16:24<emag>it's cooler because the hip people use it as a fashion accessory
16:24<ijustam>i have a kernel upgrade waiting
16:24<ijustam>really dont feel like rebooting
16:25<pkwong->hey.. just curious.. are any of you guys developers with some spare time for consulting?
16:25<emag>i'd just like at&t to get off their asses and offer UMA like t-mob
16:25<pkwong->actually, they offer IMS
16:25<pkwong->IMS > UMA
16:25<SelfishMan>Um, how can you have a kernel upgrade waiting on a linode? The kernel is not part of the distro
16:25<pkwong->unfortunately, IMS implementations are few and far between.
16:26<SelfishMan>And since when do you have to reboot for a kernel upgrade?
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16:26<SelfishMan>except on linodes that is
16:26<ijustam>not linode
16:26<ijustam>on local machine
16:26<Clorith>finally got around to doing what hoopy told me earlier with the nameservers xD
16:26<pkwong->ya know.. i jailbroke my iphone and there's nothing i've done that requires the jailbreak.. lol.. (just noticed)
16:26<Clorith>let's hope I did it right =P
16:27<SelfishMan>OK, so why do you have to reboot to apply it? What half-baked distro are you running?
16:27<SelfishMan>ijustam: Linux != Windows
16:27<avongauss>Uh, what distro do you not need to reboot in order to upgrade the kernel?
16:27<ijustam>i dunno, every time ive upgraded the kernel it's wanted me to reboot
16:27<bd_>avongauss: anything with kexec
16:27<bd_>(technically true, but useless)
16:27<avongauss>bd_: showoff... ;)
16:27<SelfishMan>I've never had to reboot to upgrade a kernel
16:28<avongauss>then you've only installed the kernel upgrade, it's not running until you reboot.
16:28<SelfishMan>Kernel version reports the new version every time
16:29<bd_>there's been some early experimental work on serializing userspace state on lkml
16:29<bd_>SelfishMan: in uname -a?
16:29<ijustam>yep just upgraded
16:29<ijustam>now it wants a reboot
16:29<bd_>then either you reboot and forgot about it, or it's lying somehow
16:29<ijustam>to be fair
16:29<ijustam>uname -a reports a new version
16:29<bd_>the linux kernel does not support upgrading without a reboot.
16:29<bd_>never has, never will
16:29<ijustam>but it still wants a reboot.
16:29<bd_>well, maybe it will. but it never has.
16:30<SelfishMan>so uname lies? evil.
16:30<bd_>what about /proc/version?
16:31<ijustam>gets annoying after awhile.
16:31<ijustam>especially since they like to push out kernel upgrades eveyr few weeks.
16:31<ijustam>and knowing my string of luck usually something breaks upon reboot
16:32<bd_>they need to implement that live kernel patching thing
16:32<ijustam>you can be the ambassador who talks to torvalds about that
16:32<bd_>it's already been implemented, but as a horrible hack :P
16:32*avongauss gets scared every time he hears live updating of kernels or patching running kernels...
16:33<bd_>plus it requires work on the build infastructure side more than the kernel proper
16:33<bd_>build/deploy rather
16:33<SelfishMan>I've had to patch a windows system while it was live. Now those were the days.
16:33<bd_>avongauss: your kernel is already doing some minor self-patching
16:33<avongauss>not my kernel, it's lazy.
16:33<bd_>eg, replacing spinlocks with nops and vice versa
16:33<bd_>all recent kernels will do that kind of operation at boot
16:33<bd_>(and on cpu online/offline)
16:34*ijustam has no idea what's going on
16:34<bd_>a spinlock is a synchronization structure the kernel uses on multiprocessor machines
16:34<bd_>they're not needed if you only have one processor
16:34<bd_>in years past, the kernel had to be configured for uniprocessor at build time if you wanted to disable them
16:34<bd_>but now it just patches them out at boot
16:35<bd_>replacing them with a NOP sequence - one that has no effect, but fills up the however many bytes the spinlock invocation took
16:35<bd_>incidentally it picks the NOP sequence based on the model of CPU - different NOPs are faster on different CPUs
16:37<bd_>they call this the 'alternatives' system fwiw
16:41<Clorith>HoopyCat, I love you man!
16:42<Clorith>in a manly masculine friends kind of way of course
16:44<HoopyCat>Clorith: send jpg for personalized response
16:44<Mikef``>but not more than you love me, right? :P
16:44<Clorith>why, of course
16:44<Clorith>would you prefer it with, or without, a thong ?
16:46<Clorith>just tailed my logfile and saw the axfr completed :D
16:46<Clorith>so now, I can use instead of using my own at all, or will I need to asign the master one in any event ?
16:48<HoopyCat>just publish ns1-4
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16:55<Clorith>not sure I knwo what that means, but ok!
16:55<Clorith>now if only I could remember the address for the page I want xD
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17:09<bob2>Clorith: publish 1-4 = tell nro to delegate rdns for that block to ns1,2,3,
17:09<Clorith>thats' what I thought
17:09<@linbot>New news from forums: NFS on private IP halting the boot process in Linux Networking <>
17:09<Clorith>except I can't find the nro page any more
17:10<Clorith>I thought it was
17:10<Clorith>but it isn't
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17:14<icebrian>g'd evening... question: i'm running a linode360 with slack 12.0 + apache + php (etc)... everything fine except dates. Specifically months that contain i8n charcters show up all wrong... could this be slack related?
17:15<icebrian>yay (or not)
17:15<Internat>jadoba: re dallas63: according to iostat, over 40% of things were in iowait.. so i think someone was either swapthrashing, or chewing lots of io :)
17:15<icebrian>humm what should I look into ?
17:15<icebrian>search... research...
17:15<icebrian>point in the right direction .. :)
17:16<bob2>well, you need to mention your terminal font and the os you are logging in from
17:16<bob2>also what what "wrong" means
17:16<icebrian>ah... but I mean i8n charc in months show up wrong in web sites
17:16<Clorith>bob2, you wouldn't happen to know the link for the NRO's ipv6 reg page, do you? :P
17:16<icebrian>I don't mind about console
17:17<bob2>don't know what you mean, sorry
17:17<icebrian>if you can.. take a look at this page:
17:17<icebrian>you will notice the months contain a weird character...
17:18<icebrian>my CMS is set-up correctly with all enconding... my doubt now is where the translation for the months is coming from since the CMS does not contain any translations
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17:20<shifuimam>so can i change the size of my linode without destroying it?
17:21<Clorith>you mean partition it ?
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17:21<Clorith>or upgrade?
17:21<shifuimam>well, wheni created it for some unknown reason (i'm retarded) i only used half of my linode
17:21<shifuimam>it's 12GB total
17:21<shifuimam>so i have 6GB of unused space
17:22<shifuimam>or would it better just to format it and use it as a second partition for data/sftp/whatever
17:22<Clorith>you could change the patition size, or you could make a 2nd image with the remainign 6GB and mount it
17:22<shifuimam>you mean copying the 6GB image onto the second part
17:22<HoopyCat>shifuimam: if you shut your linode down, you can resize it from the dashboard :-)
17:23<shifuimam>and it wont' impact anything?
17:23<shifuimam>besides the server downtime, obviously
17:23<HoopyCat>shifuimam: well, it'll make the partition either bigger or smaller
17:23<Clorith>wont impact at all
17:23<shifuimam>well ok then
17:23<shifuimam>i guess i'll just do that
17:23<HoopyCat>shifuimam: all your data will be there[1] when it's done, and life'll be good :-)
17:23<shifuimam>i can't run two distros at once, correct?
17:23<HoopyCat>[1] always back up your data first
17:23<anderiv>shifuimam: correct
17:23<HoopyCat>shifuimam: you can have two distros installed, but only one thing can boot at a time
17:23<anderiv>shifuimam: only one running kernel per linode.
17:24<shifuimam>i don't really have a need for a second distro/kernel, so it sounds like adding the 6GB to my current 6GB is the best route to go at this point
17:24<shifuimam>wow...i finally hit 1% of my monthly bandwidth :(
17:25<anderiv>shifuimam: heh - I rarely go above 3% on my 360.
17:25<shifuimam>i think it's that high only because i was uploading a 1.2GB file this morning via SFTP
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17:27<Clorith>was .net, not .org
17:30<webPragmatist>shifuimam: two episodes of what?
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17:49<arooni_____>my site is loading extremeley slow... i tried restarting apache + mongrel... but it doesnt seem to make a difference... there are 128MB free according to free -m...
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17:55<Pryon>arooni_____: URL?
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17:56<Pryon>You're right. Slow to load (still loading)
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17:57<arooni_____>[Wed Aug 27 14:56:25 2008] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting
17:57<arooni_____>how do i fix that
17:57<arooni_____>looks to be an annoying apache error
17:57<Battousai>raise the maxclients setting?
17:57<arooni_____>should i destroy keep alive?
17:57<dennistt>I'm wondering how to see the io stats on a xen host
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18:00<Pryon>arooni_____: what's your current setting for maxclients?
18:00<arooni_____> MaxClients 20
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18:02<arooni_____>what do you think Pyron
18:03<Pryon>Not sure. Apache seems to think you need to increase that number. Is your site busy?
18:05<schmichael>stupid question time
18:06<schmichael>do i need to install ntp on a xen host?
18:06<Dave>not if you dont want to
18:07<schmichael>will my clock stay synced without it?
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18:07<Dave>i believe so
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18:09<Pryon>not a dumb question at all, btw
18:11<erikh>schmichael: if you have multiple hosts that talk to each other alot, consider wiring ntpd in a fashion that gets them to sync off each other
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18:12<schmichael>erikh: thanks but i'm not worried about subsecond drift or anything like that
18:12<schmichael>just want to make sure that my xen node doesn't slowly get significantly out of sync
18:12<Dave>afaik the hosts run ntp
18:12<arooni_____>my site is still loading really slow... but now there are no errors in apache's or mongrel's log... :(
18:12<schmichael>it appears so as my clock was right
18:13<schmichael>can RoR sites load quickly?
18:13*schmichael ducks
18:13<jcn>no. no they can't
18:13<schmichael>and suddenly the room is engulfed in flames
18:13<Dave>SpaceHobo: dont let mwalling hear you say that
18:14<Dave>no probs, buddy
18:14<schmichael>for the record my xen node is 0.1337 seconds off
18:15<Pryon>arooni_____: restarting apache?
18:15<Dave>he is running a RoR app off apache?
18:15<Pryon>AFAIK, yes. I'm completely ignorant of RoR, what's the problem with using apache?
18:16<Dave>im not totally sure about RoR, but isnt lighthttpd meant to be teh way to go?
18:17<Dave>I dont think there is a problem as such, I honestly dont know myself, but I always thought that the RoR guys tended to stear away from apache
18:17<Dave>awesome, my typing today is attrocious
18:17<Dave>spelling too
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18:20<Dave>arooni: what distribution?
18:21<arooni>Dave, debian etch
18:21<Pryon>seems more responsive, now
18:21<arooni>[Wed Aug 27 15:21:29 2008] [error] [client ::1] client denied by server configuration: /htdocs
18:21<arooni>what does that mean
18:22<arooni>pygmalion, yeah but the logged in portions doesnt owrk
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18:28<Pryon>arooni: probably something in a <Directory> option involving /htdocs
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18:36<Dave>arooni: not working at all? or working slowly?
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18:54<arooni>anyone use mod_rails? i went through setup instructions, installed it, added document root... restart apache, but nothing happens when i hit my url?
18:54<Dave>is it enabled?
18:54<Dave>e2enmod mod_rails or something most likely
18:54<Pryon>arooni: which distribution are you using?
18:55<arooni>Pryon, debian etch
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18:59<arooni>anyone know how to solve a 403 error with mod_rails?
19:00<Pryon>where'd you get mod_rails? I don't see it in any etch packages
19:00<arooni>from source
19:01<Pryon>is there a link to a conf file enabling mod_rails in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
19:03<purrdeta>What would be the best way to share and collaborate on notes for a college course/
19:04<Pryon>meet at the library
19:04<bob2>just don't use jspwiki
19:05<bob2>arooni: isn't mod_proxy a lot more common?
19:05<HoopyCat>i enjoy the coffee shop; libraries are too quiet for me to think proprely
19:05<Pryon>are there any IM systems that have a usable whiteboard ?
19:06<purrdeta>yes well hahaha
19:06<purrdeta>any wiki you smart people recommend?
19:07<HoopyCat>mediawiki's kind of the industry standard, and it's pretty good
19:07<icebrian>mediawiki does not allow permanent deletes, doesnt allow you to edit password, delete users
19:07<icebrian>for personal use there are better ones
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19:09<purrdeta>icebrian: you have a favourite few you would tell me about?
19:09<cruxeternus>dokuwiki is pretty nice for personal use
19:09<cruxeternus>I haven't used it yet, but am planning to
19:09<icebrian>purrdeta, I don't sorry... im using mediawiki and regret my decision... but im too far along to change now
19:09<kso3>hello all
19:09<icebrian>never looked in to other options
19:09<cruxeternus>hi kso3
19:10<cruxeternus>purrdeta: MoinMoin might be your thing too
19:12*purrdeta uses the thingy to compare Moin and doku
19:12<purrdeta>thank you all :)
19:13<icebrian>I usually also hear about twiki and phpwiki
19:13<arooni>anyone know hot to fix: [Wed Aug 27 16:13:29 2008] [warn] proxy: No protocol handler was valid for the URL /. If you are using a DSO version of mod_proxy, make sure the proxy submodules are included in the configuration using LoadModule.
19:14<bob2>don't use twiki
19:14<bob2>or phpwiki
19:14<bob2>arooni: you're using mod_proxy and mod_rails?
19:15<arooni>bob2, i have both enabled yes
19:15<Pryon>arooni: make sure the proxy module for the particular protocol you're using is loaded as well
19:15<bob2>arooni: why?
19:15<Pryon>doh. I guess that's what the error message says :/
19:23<Dave>also how did you install rails? did you do gem install rails?
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19:28<Dave>arooni: read ?
19:30<Dave>although I would install gems from apt, it has version 0.9.0 in it
19:31<charlie>does anyone have any good promo codes for a new linode?
19:31<Dave>apparently apache 1.3 is recommended over 2.0 because of fastcgi issues
19:31<Pryon>linode does promo codes?
19:32<charlie>click add a new linode on the linode manager and there's a promo code box
19:32<charlie>i'm using the second month free code, bah
19:33<Pryon>well whaddya know
19:33<charlie>hmm i may actually keep this server after i'm done using it to test git, i've been wanting a nice arch server to play with
19:34<arooni>does mod_rails usually need more memory than 3 mongrels? i'm finding i'm using swap when i usually didnt b4
19:35<erikh>mongrel used to crash on you a lot?
19:35<bob2>mod_rails will probably use as much memory as n mongrels
19:35<erikh>you probably have a leak
19:35<bob2>where n = max number of apache children
19:35<erikh>and mod_rails isn't crashing, so you're never reclaiming that memory
19:36<erikh>typical problem when doing dynamic content with apache modules
19:37<erikh>either that or you're just caching a lot more than you thought you were.
19:38<bob2>goddamn offlineimap
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19:39<Dave>arooni: how did you install rails?
19:40<arooni>Dave, um as a gem
19:41<Dave>I dunno, lower the amount of children apache can have? :)
19:41<straterra>Use a condom
19:42<Pryon>e2moden propylaxis
19:42<Dave>or switch to lighttpd or something
19:43<booja>apachectl use-protection
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20:17<kickit>anyone having troubles ssh'ing into their accounts (or even lish'ing for that matter)?
20:17<kickit>either of those methods produces an "Operation time out" for me (for the last 10 minutes or so)
20:17<LazyGun>just started happening
20:18<LazyGun>thought my linode had I rebooted it :)
20:18<kickit>okay... well, at least it's not just me!
20:18<LazyGun>yeah that didn't help so much
20:18<LazyGun>started to panic, then saw you say that
20:18<bob2>which dc?
20:18<LazyGun>host 64
20:18<Talman>... what.
20:18<Nivex>I can't reach mine in Newark, but traceroute seems to show it in TWC's cloud... again
20:18<Talman>My connection isn't stable enough to check.
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20:19<Talman>What's going on with the network issue, anyway? Is Fremont being fragged like Dallas?
20:20<LazyGun>my tracert quits after leaving comcast
20:20<kickit>mines in Newark as well
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20:21<LazyGun>it can't even leave atlanta
20:21<LazyGun>gets to here:
20:21<Talman>fragged. As in I'm getting a timeout on my host.
20:21<Nivex>who is "ISPrime, Inc." ?
20:21<LazyGun>and then times out
20:21<Nivex>that's my last good hop
20:21<kickit>this happen often with linode??
20:21<LazyGun>first time for me in about a year
20:22<LazyGun>and last time it was hurricane electric having a fit
20:22<kickit>i just signed up today, and now the suckers down... yea!
20:22<Talman>Hmm, just told that two US sites got to my server via traceroute.
20:22<Talman>Dallas had one this morning.
20:22<LazyGun>i can't get to
20:22<kickit>has anyone emailed linode about this yet?
20:22<LazyGun>which implies the interwebatron has vomited :)
20:22<LazyGun>not yet
20:24<kickit>email sent
20:25<kickit>right in mid-config of the ol' server
20:26<LazyGun>heh I was just fixing a qmail install
20:26<LazyGun>and thought I had b0rked the OS
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20:28<kickit>uggg... all of this choice caffine i just injested is rushing through my body, and it shall all be wasted!
20:29<@tasaro>We don't see any issues from here.. submit your traceroutes or mtrs if you'd like us to take a look
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20:29<LazyGun>in a support ticket?
20:29<LazyGun>i don't think it's linode in my case, I just can't get to hurricane electric from here
20:29<HoopyCat>both atlanta and dallas feel crisp for me
20:29*Nivex hopes someone recognizes that IP
20:30<SelfishMan>What IP?
20:31<HoopyCat>Nivex: ... weeeird
20:31<kickit>traceroute submitted
20:31<kickit>what's an mtr?
20:32<Nivex>mtr is a different traceroute program
20:32<Nivex>HoopyCat: that reeks of a routing problem at newark
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20:33<HoopyCat>LazyGun: that's dying pretty close to you... it'll probably re-route around it shortly. 'tis reachable from here:
20:33<@tasaro>LazyGun: like you said, yours looks like a global crossing issue -- way upstream from Fremont
20:33<LazyGun>thanks :)
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20:35<kickit>tasaro: did you get a free moment to check out that traceroute i posted in my support ticket?
20:35<Nivex>kjotte@polaris:~$ dig
20:35<Nivex>kjotte@polaris:~$ dig
20:35<Nivex>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 42405
20:36<Nivex><StrongBad> That is not a good prize
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20:36<kickit>it basically dies after: (
20:36<HoopyCat>Nivex: eh, someone forgot to put in an A record :-)
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20:37<Nivex>;; Query time: 1639 msec
20:37<Nivex>it should have come back quicker than that
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20:38<HoopyCat>if your ISP is having trouble reaching NAC-related stuff, that could slow it down a bit
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20:38<Nivex>something big happened. I saw splits on freenode that happened about the same time
20:38<Nivex>in concert with the other stuff reported here... something big happened
20:39<Nivex>mind you, this is the Internet, so we may never know what.
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20:39<kickit>pesky inter-tubes!
20:39<HoopyCat>yeah, the internet is dying, etc, etc
20:39<LazyGun>the hamster took a break :/
20:40<kickit>who told that hamster to stop running in it's wheel!
20:40<HoopyCat>Nivex: the curious part is that you and i are on the same backbone, basically
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20:41<kickit>BTW anyone in here installed wpmu before?
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20:46<kickit>i seem to be getting some sort of errors during install (nothing is showing in logs) and i am returned a blank screen, instead of an error message. I went into the php.ini and truned display_errors = On but still no luck
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22:48<TheFirst^>something odd going on with routing to dallas?
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23:05<pkwong->any centos admins wanna do some quick-ish consulting?
23:06*pkwong- being lazy.
23:07<mendel>there's a joke for me to make here but i'm going to pass on it :D
23:07<mendel>(hey, pkwong :)
23:07<pkwong->hey buddy! :)
23:07<pkwong->how's life?
23:08<mendel>is good! crazy busy, but good, all settled in in toronto now. how about you?
23:08<pkwong->heh.. going to hawaii for a month on wed.
23:08<pkwong->(and getting paid to do it.. lol)
23:08<pkwong->yeah.. i'm in construction now..
23:08<pkwong->i have a gc company.
23:09<pkwong->doing the dave and busters flagship store.
23:09<pkwong->general contractor.
23:09<mendel>hah, wow, you get around :)
23:09<pkwong->you're in toronto? hah! I envy you.
23:09<pkwong->yeah.. i got sick of IT.
23:09<mendel>yeah, it's.. a much better fit than ottawa was. :)
23:10<pkwong->lots of hot female types in toronto.
23:10<mendel>I thought I did! started an MBA and got out of THAT after a month, i'm now managing IT at a 20-person web company here and things are going great
23:10<mendel>there's one on the couch beside me, in fact, with a familiar looking ring :)
23:10<pkwong->I'm getting married too..
23:10<mendel>I guess it's been a while since we caught up :)
23:10<pkwong->but the ring prices scare the hell outta me..
23:11<pkwong->it seems like a not so good investment considering the economy and all.. hehe.
23:11<pkwong->she'd kill me if she read that.
23:11<mendel>heh, we kept it simple :)
23:11<pkwong->ugh.. I love ebayers..
23:12<pkwong->I bought a gsm-sip gateway and the idiot then tells me it only works with 2g sims..
23:12<pkwong->so i popped a 3g sim into it and it works.. kinda.
23:12<pkwong->damn thing won't forward calls to my pbx..
23:12<pkwong->it's broken.
23:13<mendel>got sick of IT, you say :)
23:13<pkwong->and that's why i love buying things on credit card.. Chargeback time!
23:13<pkwong->haha.. i only do it for myself.. kinda.
23:13<pkwong->well.. i sorta half do it.. stuff i don't wanna do (like build a backup server) i'm trying to sucker someone into doing for cash.. lol
23:14<pkwong->i'm cloning my existing linode for now.. but i really need to set up rsync and mysql sync.
23:14<pkwong->that was the "fishing for a consultant" thing..
23:14<bob2>if it claims to be a gsm gateway, not working with usims or umts doesn't seem to be unfair
23:15<pkwong->well.. it actually does.. (after a firmware upgrade)
23:15<pkwong->the guy shipped it to me without any labeling on it..
23:15<pkwong->then tried to sell me the "3G" version for twice the price..
23:15<pkwong->gotta love ebayers.
23:16<pkwong->i decided i was gonna stick the sim into the gateway and then route the calls to my new cell phone..
23:16<pkwong->recording all calls thru the pbx...
23:17<pkwong->i could also just port the number, but i can't seem to find a reliable voip provider..
23:17<pkwong->porting out / into providers seems to be the issue... they don't wanna make it easy.
23:18<pkwong->so mendel, management, huh?
23:18<pkwong->i never pegged you to be the pointy haired boss type.
23:20<mendel>that's why I bailed on the MBA
23:21<pkwong->haha.. ok.
23:21<mendel>right now, i've got one guy reporting to me, and i'm as hands-on as he is
23:21<pkwong->so he can't bullshit you.. lol.
23:21<mendel>but it's nice to have that level of... decision authority, I guess? after those years at Mitel
23:21<pkwong->you guys doing iphone dev perchance?
23:21<mendel>the company is FreshBooks:
23:22<mendel>online invoicing, time tracking. as it turns out we've got someone doing an iphone app *for* freshbooks, but we're not an iphone dev *company*
23:22<pkwong->is he a consultant?
23:22<pkwong->or does he work for you guys ?
23:23<mendel>works for us
23:23<mendel>does integration work, generally, learned obj-c for the iphone app
23:23<jcn>ah freshbooks, everyone seems to love your product.
23:23<mendel>:D thanks
23:23<pkwong->if you know anyone who's looking for a quick project, let me know... i'm looking for an iphone developer..
23:24*pkwong- has 2 projects going on now..
23:24<mendel>dunno anyone offhand, our guy's almost certainly too new at it
23:24<pkwong->yeah.. it seems to be hard to find anyone with those skills these days.. i've been looking too.
23:27<pkwong->chug chug cloning linodes just takes forever.
23:27<pkwong->i will say that i've been pretty happy with mine though..
23:27<pkwong->linode that is.
23:29<mendel>I finally moved the whistleboard (remember that from earthquake? augh) from dreamhost to mine, it's holding up surprisingly well :)
23:30<pkwong->yeah.. i'm surprised the linode is holding up.. i've never really trusted virtualization until now.
23:32<pkwong->so.. how does this ip failover thing work?
23:32<pkwong->do i actually have to configure something?
23:33<pkwong->brb.. gf calling.
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