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---Logopened Thu Sep 18 00:00:16 2008
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00:38<iobright>about how long does it take for a cname record to start working?
00:42<m0>a day or so
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00:45<iobright>k thanks
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00:51<CaptObviousman>I usually see them uptake in under 6 hours
00:52<CaptObviousman>oh, cname? if you control the dns server it should be immediate I htink
00:56<iobright>no, they must not be because I added some records a few minutes ago and it's still not working
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00:57<troy>iobright: did you update the serial number of the zone and restart/reload bind?
00:58<nicho>Hi all. Can anybody tell me about add new subdomain?
00:58<troy>iobright: i take it you are running your own dns?
00:58<iobright>troy: no, I'm using linode's
00:59<troy>iobright: ahh, the records refresh every 15 mins, however you may need to wait for the TTL to expire if you have a cached lookup
01:00<bob2>nicho: what do you want to do?
01:00<bob2>iobright: if it's a completely new record, it should be visible to most people in < 15 minutes
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01:00<iobright>awesome, thanks guys
01:00<bob2>(obviously not to people who have tried to access it and received "doesn't exist, foo'" recently)
01:02<nicho>bob2: add subdomain
01:02*troy takes a deep breath
01:02<bob2>nicho: subdomain could mean one of two things
01:03<bob2>nicho: are you trying to create an actual subdomain, delegating via NS records, or do you want "" to point at your linode?
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01:05<nicho>Now I've got a domain host with linode and i want to create a subdomain and point it to my linode account
01:05<bob2>so, the latter?
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01:06<nicho>bob2: what do u mean?
01:06<bob2>so, you want "" to point at your linode?
01:06<bob2>, "A/AAA records"
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01:14<nicho>bob2: it's a very helpful doc, thanks bob2
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01:22<iobright>can somebody ping and see if you get a response?
01:23<StevenK>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=41 time=240 ms
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01:23<iobright>alright, it's not working from my own computer, what's the deal with that?
01:24<bob2>perhaps your home network/isp (stupidly) blocks ping
01:24<exor|zzz>8/w 11
01:24<iobright>no, I can ping the regular domain, I guess it doesn't know how to resolve it yet
01:24<iobright>I'm not very familiar with how the DNS change propogates across the country
01:24<bob2>ping will make that obvious
01:24<Eman>dns is magic
01:25<bob2>by not displaying the correct ip and/or failing with "unable to lookup name"
01:25<iobright>right, but it worked for StevenK but not for me, but I can ping, just not the cname
01:25<iobright>wow, lots of buts
01:26<bob2>you can tell if dns is the problem by reading what ping says
01:26<bob2>or running 'host'
01:27<iobright>it says it's unable to resolve
01:38<iobright>so I guess it will start resolve in an hour or so, but I'm not sure why
01:39<iobright>do servers throughout the world cache the ip addresses of every website in existance?
01:39<bob2>an hour or so is optimistic in this case
01:40<bob2>you requested the name from isp's dns server, and linode's said "no idea"
01:40<bob2>so your isp's name servers will remember that for some time
01:40<bob2>nameservers only cache the names they lookup
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01:48<Joshy>wow its quiet in here...
01:48<Joshy>Oh Hi! @_@
01:48*exor|zzz sets off firecrackers
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02:10*SelfishMan randomly types linode IPs into his browser to see what types of sites people run
02:10<SelfishMan>Favorite so far:
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02:14<SelfishMan>There are a bunch of default apache sites
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02:16<encode>haha @
02:16<encode>i bet you can't guess mine
02:18<SelfishMan>no idea
02:19<mikeage>I'll bet you can guess mine...
02:19<SelfishMan> scares me. spammer-like?
02:19<SelfishMan>Mine is one of the posted IPs. Well, one of mine.
02:20<SelfishMan>so is
02:21<mikeage>wow, this is addictive...
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02:21<encode>you need to automate it
02:21<SelfishMan>Isn't it though?!?
02:21<SelfishMan>doing it manually is more fun
02:21<encode>a script to connect on port 80, render the page to an image, and save the image somewhere
02:22<mikeage>there's an .exe at if anyone's feel brave... or stupid
02:22<SelfishMan>I never could find anything that worked well for that
02:22<SelfishMan>mikeage: I saw the same thing but server_core.exe seemed dangerous and it really small in size.
02:23<encode>mikeage: don't really have any expendable VMs at the moment
02:23<encode>maybe another day
02:23<mikeage>that's why they make disassemblers
02:23*SelfishMan launches a malware test vm
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02:24<SelfishMan>A bunch of default drupal sites too
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02:25<mikeage>of course, even if you have the original source... there's always the people who enter to watch out for
02:25<SelfishMan>I think that goes against linode policies somehow
02:26<mikeage>who wants to see the linksys logo
02:26<SelfishMan>it's a video
02:26<Eman>lol meatspin
02:26<mikeage>oh, yeah, and the redirect :)
02:26<SelfishMan> is hosted on a linode
02:26<mikeage>well, there's your admin laughing
02:27<Eman> <3
02:33<SelfishMan>HoopyCat's? ->
02:33<Eman>wikifur? on caker's linodes?
02:35<SelfishMan> concerns me. Many spammer domains will do the exact same thing
02:37<mikeage>give a 400 bad rquest?
02:37<SelfishMan>Yep. Exact same format.
02:39<SelfishMan> is an example of a actual spam domain
02:39<mikeage>why? why would they both with a web server at all?
02:40<mikeage>I've never used this site before, but has some interesting facts, if true...
02:40<xorl>Eman: what's that site a mock up?
02:40<Eman>its my default, no vhost page
02:40<SelfishMan>Typically the site has their "unsubscribe" stuff but it has to be a very specific URL. The domain is two random words that aren't normally together and the reverse is mail.something
02:42<SelfishMan> is blacklisted by a couple hosts
02:43<mikeage>well, mail.something isn't too weird; google has a cache indicating a parked domain
02:44<SelfishMan>As someone that does a lot of anti-spam work, this system has too many characteristics of spammers
02:45<SelfishMan>I hope it isn't though
02:46<mikeage>fair enough; I'll defer to your expertise. It's not my site :)
02:46<SelfishMan>I don't show a recent history of spam but there are a few things from three months ago for that IP
02:47<SelfishMan>Meh. I'm sure Linode will deal with it if there are any complaints
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02:49<SelfishMan>OK, after that horrific site I'm done.
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02:52<mikeage>it's been fun
02:53<SelfishMan>I didn't even make it halfway through before I found traumatic stuff.
02:53<SelfishMan>So, on a less blinding topic
02:53<SelfishMan>Anyone running mailing list software? recommendations? Is mailman the standard?
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02:58*mikeage watches the tumbleweed roll by
02:58*SelfishMan listens to the crickets chirp
02:59<mikeage>well, time for me to get back to work
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03:17<SelfishMan>You triggered the bot
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03:20<booja>got the 5pm sleepies
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05:35<erikh>s/collective responsibility/mob rule/
05:35<erikh>s/mob rule/cargo cult/
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05:44<@jadoba>SpaceHobo: i'm right there with ya, bro
05:45<erikh>eh, i'm just routinely impressed with people that somehow correlate censorship with some kind of stupid filter
05:45<erikh>in practice it just doesn't work, and many communities thrive just worrying about the real troublemakers
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05:52<@jadoba>individuals and entites
05:53<@jadoba>maybe they are 'people', but they are in no way human
05:53<@jadoba>yes, just pushing that point
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07:15<mikeage>has anyone ever used atop?
07:15<Karnaugh>the ORDBMS?
07:15<mikeage>the process monitoring utility
07:16<Karnaugh>then no
07:16*Hobbsee uses htop.
07:17<mikeage>I've been using htop, but I'm looking for something that can identify disk IO per-process
07:17<mikeage>apparently this atop can do it, but it seems to need a kernel patch
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07:51<jman>Hey, folks, I've narrowed my VPS choices down to Linode and a couple of others.
07:51<jman>I think I see that Linode allows users to compile their own kernel modules. Is that right?
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07:52<jman>Anyway, Linode looks fantastic, especially comming from VPSLand.
07:53<jman>(I just spent five days of ticketing back and forth before they finally agreed to kick the dom0's ntpd. My fave was, "can you prove that your server is 11 minutes slow?")
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07:54<Dave>jman: I believe you can
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08:24<@jadoba>Dave: those are some awesomely supportive words, keep it up!
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08:25<@jadoba>jman: yes, linodes on Xen hosts have the ability to load custom-compiled kernel modules
08:25<@jadoba>UML does not offer this capability.
08:26<@jadoba>all new Linodes are on Xen hosts, we do not offer UML linodes for new accounts or migrations.
08:27<HoopyCat>except where prohibited by claw. dr. claw.
08:27<Dave>jadoba: not even if asked nicely?
08:28*jadoba doctors HoopyCat
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08:29<tozz>only basement hackers use Xen
08:29<@mikegrb>mmm cake
08:29<jman>jadoba: Thanks for the info! I'd already settled on Linode, but that's icing on the cake.
08:29<tozz>sorry, it never gets old, I laugh every time I think about him :p
08:30<Dave>tozz: I dont even have a basement
08:30<Dave>or a garage
08:30<Dave>I do have a shed...
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08:32<HoopyCat>i have a basement and a garage, but no shed.
08:33<Dave>who wins? how do we settle this?
08:33*HoopyCat bonds with Dave, creating a stable man compound
08:33<Dave>I suppose I rent
08:34<tozz>I think the shed overpowers the garage
08:34<tozz>still leaves the basement though
08:34<path->i have no basement, no garage, but TWO sheds!
08:35<@jadoba>i has a bukkit
08:35<path->and i'd rather have one, cause the second one is kinda annoying and needs to be re-shingled
08:35<tozz>now that's just greedy path-
08:35<tozz>give one of those sheds to HoopyCat imo
08:35<path->i didn't put it there, it came with the place
08:35<Dave>jadoba: a bukkit? I know what they are! Thats naughty
08:35<path->yea, i'll just throw it on my roof and drive 8hrs
08:35<path->probably get 2mpg
08:36<HoopyCat>technically speaking, our garage acts as a large shed
08:36*path- goes to make coffee
08:46<jetlag>I have a basement, a garage, and a PODS.
08:47<jetlag>And my backspace key doesn't work in screen.
08:49<jetlag>ah, set Control-H in putty
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09:15<jman>Colorful place.
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09:50<TJF>caker: new projects are exciting, any clues?
09:50*path- thinks nas or kvm
09:51<atourino1>two chicks at the same time
09:51<TJF>if it involved chicks it would be more than two i think
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09:53<atourino>there are other appendages you know
09:53<atourino>like fingers
09:53<jman2>Next question: What's the latest x86_64 kernel?
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10:08<tjfontaine>TJF: chicks with dicks itym
10:08<TJF>tjfontaine: noooo!
10:09<TJF>tjfontaine: but it most likely involves a robe and wizard hat
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10:18<HoopyCat>"Earliest we have is 10am on Wednesday, October 27..." "Hmm, I've got class that day. Do you have anything on a Thursday?" "Let's see... 10:15am on October 16?"
10:18<bob2>unique time metric ftw
10:19<tjfontaine>is this a doctor?
10:19<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: how'd you guess? :-)
10:20<tjfontaine>mine is always convinced that if I scheduled for a friday I *always* want friday
10:21<path->my dentist does that
10:21<Dave>I just dont go see dentists or doctors
10:21<Dave>oh, that reminds me I need to ring my gran
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10:22<TJF>I'm convinced dentists do more harm than good
10:23<HoopyCat>my dentist schedules appointments six months out, and it's a very interactive process. generally happy with that process.
10:26<TJF>i went to a dentists twice a year until i was 18. always needed some sort of work done. didn't go back for 10 years until i broke a molar and didn't need any other work done besides a crown.
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10:27<HoopyCat>18 is a weird age for dentistry. i had no cavities at all until i turned 19 or so, and now i'm averaging about 0.75 per year
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10:28<TJF>buy a high end electric toothbrush and fire your dentist
10:29<Dave>I have had no fillings, but then again I havent been for ... 9 years
10:30<TJF>see! dave knows what's up
10:30<Dave>il go if/when something starts hurting/falls out
10:32<path->i use to get cavities until i quit smoking
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10:32<path->but i still go for cleanings
10:32<bob2>I'd've thought nicotine would be a bacteriocide
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10:37<linbot>New news from blog: Randy Estelow joins Linode <>
10:38-!-mode/#linode [+c] by caker
10:38<path->oh my
10:38<Karnaugh>what are you doing
10:38<Bdragon>Right click accidentally?
10:38<tjfontaine>bob2: ?
10:38<bob2>tjfontaine: I know nothing!
10:41-!-mode/#linode [-ntc] by ChanServ
10:41-!-mode/#linode [+ntc] by ChanServ
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10:43<HoopyCat>wow, +c rocks
10:44<Isvara>IRC does color??
10:45<path->irc clients can
10:45<Bdragon>And it was so widely abused that many irc servers implement a channel mode for filtering it back out...
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10:47<bob2>oh man chatroom
10:47<schmichael>restelow: welcome!
10:47<restelow>thank you everyone
10:47<schmichael>restelow: in case you haven't noticed its best for productivity to never enter this room
10:48<restelow>i'll keep that in mind
10:48<atourino>caker: give the man his ops
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10:49<atourino>welcome restelow! now we know who to pester on hardware failures :D
10:51<path->may your hardware failures be few
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10:52*Schroeder just spit-valved on his foot
10:55-!-mode/#linode [+o restelow] by ChanServ
10:55-!-mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker
11:06<tjfontaine>mikegrb, caker: <li>Bandwidth pooling between Linodes under an account<li> on front page needs a closing tag :)
11:06<exor|zzz>well,i is the site claiming to be xhtml?
11:07<exor|zzz>if its claiming to be html, thats legal
11:07<tjfontaine>if it wants to look pretty it has the closing tag :)
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11:08<@caker>I always do that .. fixed
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11:10<Bdragon>Implicit closing tags are allowed by sgml derived languages, but not by xml derived languages, bla bla
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11:14<@linbot>New news from forums: Linode icon for linking in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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11:29<Isvara>"xml derived languages"? You mean "XML". AFAIK, there have been no languages derived from it. There are, of course, plenty of XML _applications_.
11:30<Dave>depends on the dtd, innit
11:34<anderiv>huh. new staff. Cool!
11:34<anderiv>restelow: nice work! :-)
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11:49<Pryon>Thank you, snort, for consuming 50% of my memory and informing me that people are talking to my ircd. What would I do without you?
11:53<Dave>apt-get remove snort
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11:58<Pryon>Dave: invoke-rc.d snort stop is working for now while I take a peak at the conf
11:59<Pryon>But I think it's leading in that direction.
11:59<Isvara>Heh. That reminds me of an age where everyone was suddenly getting into "personal firewalls". I got an angry e-mail from an irate, yet ignorant, customer who was complaining that we were trying to "hack" his PC. His evidence for this were logs from his personal firewall, which had presumably alerted him to this fact, showing that whenever he FTP'd anything from a server we hosted, something made a port 20 connection back to him.
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12:07<agentbleubleu>does anyone know if such a thing as a 'universal' backend interface exists, something like a users version of phpmyadmin, which could be bolted onto web applications, instead of building a unique one for each app etc?
12:07<SelfishMan>I think I'm still going through Linode withdrawals
12:08<SelfishMan>agentbleubleu: There are several modular frameworks to abstract SQL queries but in the end you are better off just writing your own
12:08<agentbleubleu>but im being lazy these days, can you point me to some
12:08<Isvara>agentbleubleu: Your question isn't clear. What do you want to do?
12:09<SelfishMan>I know of them but don't know of any specific names. I'm not a big fan of frameworks.
12:09<SelfishMan>Just google for "$LANG framwork"
12:09<agentbleubleu>have a backend interface, like a control panel for a web app. so that admins can change content without building one
12:09<Isvara>Oh. You want Django, then.
12:10<Isvara>You define your data model and it gives you an admin interface for free.
12:10<agentbleubleu>ok sounds like the ticket
12:11*SelfishMan is still debating if that is a spammer on Linodes network or not
12:11<jkwood>SelfishMan: Which on?
12:12<SelfishMan>It has a history of not being nice and the website is exactly like what spammers do for their "opt-out really means opt-in for more" stuff
12:12<SelfishMan>Sorry, I just noticed that tab in my browser and it made me start thinking about it again.
12:18<SelfishMan>Anyone know of any themes for Mailman?
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12:23<Schroeder>OBJECTIVE FACT: If Gil Hodges does not get into the Hall of Fame this year, I will be chopping some testicles off
12:23*SelfishMan protects his vital parts
12:24*jkwood steals SelfishMan's jar
12:25<mikeage> lol; I thought you'd gotten tired of that for the day
12:25<mikeage>I guess just for a few hours
12:25<SelfishMan>Ah! lol botz!
12:25<@mikegrb>omg TJF quit!
12:26<SelfishMan>He quit OFTC?
12:26<TJF>mikegrb: one week to go!
12:26<TJF>not fontaine
12:26<SelfishMan>sorry, yeah, realize that now
12:31<SelfishMan>Favorite spammer domain of the day: Love the name for some reason
12:31<mikeage>I guess was taken
12:32<SelfishMan>And that is not the website content I was expecting
12:32*mikeage isn't trying
12:33<Pryon>scantily-clad ducks and cows?
12:33<SelfishMan>LOL Money is the name of the bad youtube rap video
12:33<Pryon>or hot duck on duck on cow action?
12:33<SelfishMan>no, that was not a bot trigger
12:33<SelfishMan>Pryon: It's all about the DDC action
12:33<SelfishMan>This is so bad it's actually funny and catchy
12:34*SelfishMan transcribes the lyrics because they are so complex
12:35<SelfishMan>"lol money money lol lol lol lol money money lol..."
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12:40*jkwood parries with "Fuzzy Llama Funny Llama Llama llama duck"
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12:41<linbot>New news from forums: Serious security risk with Lish in General Discussion <>
12:42<anderiv>hrm, interesting.
12:43<SelfishMan>Little bit but not that big
12:43*anderiv goes off to verify that behavior
12:44<ph>although maybe not that serious in a direct manner, it's pretty worrying
12:45<SelfishMan>Security is all about risk mitigation and an 8 character password even knowing the username will take some time if it is actually random.
12:47*Pryon needs a PDA that can run xkeepass
12:48<Pryon>er. keepassx
12:49<ph>SelfishMan: indeed, but the fact that someone has actually coded such a serious "potential" risk is scary
12:49<ph>ok, so this time it landed on 8 characters, but what if it had been 2? or 1?
12:50<SelfishMan>I'm betting the person that made the web interface isn't the same person that wrote LISH though. Or someone has edited it
12:51<@caker>it's not our fault .. the bug is in chpasswd, it looks like
12:51*jkwood bugs caker
12:51<tsp>if lish is based on openssh, it could also be the crypt policy the distro is using
12:51*SelfishMan cakers jkwood
12:51<daniel>I need some help setting up my unrealircd and anope services....I've put an A record in bind9 for "irc" and "services", but irc nor services is coming up (when I try to connect to using the irc ports)
12:52<daniel>but when I just connect to it works fine
12:52<daniel>any ideas why?
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12:54<@caker>really weird... chpasswd is generating a hash, that ends up matching on the first 8 chars of the password, even if you pass more of the password in when authenticating. It's not just truncating the password
12:56<tsp>how is that possible?
12:56<@caker>ok, it uses an old style of password encryption, looks like
12:56<tsp>probably des
12:56<SelfishMan>Either the hash algorithm has issues or part of the algo is to chop it
12:56<tsp>some systems have that as default
12:57<path->could use mysql auth with md5
12:57<ph>is there any reason for using chpasswd over passwd [user] (or the other way around?)
12:57<path->we were looking at converting our ldap auth crap to that
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12:57<SelfishMan>Does it only match the first 8 or do the first 8 for some reason match? I mean, if you type 9 or 10 characters does it still match?
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12:57<@caker>the latter
12:58<tsp>SelfishMan: some old encryption methods do that, and some unixen still keep them as default for compatibility
12:59<daniel>when using the graphs, is CPU % the amount that I use or the all other linodes too? Cause it's saying that usage is 30.5% O_O
12:59<SelfishMan>tsp: I know but was curious about the way in which it fails (algo or implementation)
12:59<SelfishMan>daniel: Your usage only
13:00<daniel>SelfishMan, meh, oh, I think I know why (was compiling last night) thanks :D
13:00<SelfishMan>Either that or I'm on two of the most unused hosts ever running at a whopping 1% usage
13:01<SelfishMan>I was mad when I granted someone access to one of my RBLDNS zones and the usage jumped from 0.5% to 1%
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13:02<ph>oh noes
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13:04<Isvara>Did anyone realise Wireshark has Lua embedded?
13:05<path->if you set a public key for lish, will password auth still work?
13:05<SelfishMan>path-: Yes from what I have seen
13:07<path->seems logical.. just curious
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13:17<daniel>SelfishMan, would you know anything about why my domain isnt working?
13:18<daniel>I added the irc to the liode DNS manager
13:18<daniel>i added it to my config in bind, restarted bind, etc.
13:18<SelfishMan>Sorry, IRC isn't my thing
13:18<SelfishMan>does even resolve?
13:21<Isvara>Why do people who want help never give their real domains?
13:21<daniel>Isvara, I didnt think it mattered, ok so
13:21<daniel>uhmm no it doesnt
13:21<daniel>but it should..
13:21<daniel> does, but for some reason even with the same settings services nor irc subdomains register
13:21<daniel>I gtg, Ill bbs :)
13:22<daniel>actually I dont have to leave it
13:22<daniel>any ideas lol?
13:22<Isvara> 86400 IN A
13:22<Isvara>Well, it resolves at least.
13:22<bliblok>daniel: Wait for a while
13:23<DephNet[Paul]>daniel, its resolving for me
13:23<Isvara> NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname...
13:23<Isvara>And it works.
13:23<daniel>...uggh thanks I guess I was just a little impatient :)
13:23<jkwood>daniel: Downside of the dns system: The changes have to propagate.
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13:23*Isvara slaps jkwood
13:24<jkwood>Kind of like in the 1700-1800s, newspapers got passed around. Depending on where you lived, you might get it 6 months after it was printed.
13:24<Isvara>Enough of the DNS propagation nonsense already.
13:25<tjfontaine>we're not going to take it anymore!
13:25*linbot slaps jkwood
13:25<jkwood>But, not a right to know this instant.
13:26*Isvara is so mad he might blog furiously
13:26<Isvara>But certainly not before dinner.
13:26*jkwood is so blog mad he furious mightly
13:27*Isvara is so mighty he made blogs mad
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13:48<linbot>Redgore: Linode360 - 68, Linode540 - 65, Linode720 - 22, Linode1080 - 17, Linode1440 - 12, Linode2880 - 8
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13:49<SelfishMan>"I`m not shure if the Spam Assassin is running or not. How can I verificate this?"
13:49<SelfishMan>That's from an english major
13:50*jkwood verificates SelfishMan
13:50*SelfishMan shures jkwood
13:50<jkwood>Nivex: They make good Microphones.
13:51<jkwood>Note that that's Microphones with a capital M.
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14:48<r3z>Non Linode question: Anyone got some good information on how to capture kernel panics to a log or dump file?
14:50<@caker>r3z: you have a few options... best one, IMO, is to have serial console connected to something that can do logging for you
14:51<@caker>r3z: another option would be to use netconsole .. but I've had mixed results with it
14:52<r3z>That is what I was afraid of.
14:53<r3z>No way to generate a dump file or anything?
14:53<r3z>I know serial is the best but this is at a customers site and I dont know if they can get one setup.
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14:54<r3z>I was reading somewhere and it appeared that you can setup kdump to capture it?
14:54<notben>there are some kernel patches to enable crash crash dumps, but it'd mean a custom kernel
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15:11<daniel>OK, back, so anyone active now that has setup anope on their box before?
15:13<Eman>anope is easy
15:14<Eman>what do you need to know?
15:17<schmichael>anyone know if streaming a tar to sshfs or curlftpfs works without first writing the tar locally?
15:18<Pryon>if sshfs or curlftpfs can take input on stdin, I don't see why not
15:18<schmichael>yeah, i guess i should just test it
15:19<schmichael>i'm just trying to stream backups directly to DH's new backup service without writing them to disk first
15:19<schmichael>and DH's backup service only supports FTP or SFTP (not plain old ssh for rsync)
15:19<Pryon>tar cvf - foo | sshfs?
15:21<schmichael>(sshfs mounts a remote host via sftp)
15:21<schmichael>so you don't just stream to it
15:21<schmichael>i'll test it out... who needs io tokens anyway
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15:28<daniel>Eman, check this out
15:28<daniel>Any ideas?
15:33<Eman>did you set up a link block in unreal for services?
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15:38<daniel>Eman, yes
15:39<daniel>How do I restart services & unrealircd? (May be thats what I need to do)
15:39<tjfontaine>usually you just need to reload the config for the ircd to notice the new connect block
15:41<daniel>Hmm not sure, cause I have an oper block for myself with userhost *@* and I get the "* No O-lines for your host" error which shouldnt be right
15:42<Eman>on the console, ./unreal rehash
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15:52<tjfontaine>status nicks ftl
15:52<Battousai>you disapprove of battmobile?
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15:53<Battousai>it has two meanings
15:53<tjfontaine>I've never seen you /nick to it :)
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16:04<jkwood|utterlyinsane>How do you like me now?
16:04<jkwood|utterlyinsane>Ew... long ircnick ftl.
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16:05<jkwood>15:04 [oftc] -bot( Penalty of 0 days, 11:14:07 added to your timer for nick change.
16:05<jkwood>Well crap.
16:05<jkwood>I got TWO of those.
16:06<@jadoba>shouldn't have made the second one then
16:09<daniel>What's considered "bad" I/O and CPU % for linode360?
16:14<jkwood>daniel: That's highly suubjective.
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16:14<jkwood>If you're compiling, then high cpu is more acceptable than when you're just serving static web pages.
16:14<daniel>jkwood, estimation this way I know what to expect and whats to hgh, etc. I'm running ircd w/ services + LAMP
16:15<jkwood>Bittorrenting will ramp your I/O up.
16:15<tjfontaine>-M and your life will be happier
16:15<daniel>True, I am no longer compiling (which is the real reason why im asking)
16:15*Nivex 's I/O is probably through the roof right now
16:15<tjfontaine>substitute A with L or N and even more happier
16:16<daniel>What causes I/O to go high?
16:16<Nivex>I wonder if my g7 character is still active
16:16<tjfontaine>reads and writes
16:16<Eman>mediawiki will go OM NOM NOM NOM io
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16:46<Peng_>SpaceHobo: Oh god. You had only stopped lozing by accident? Damn Peng_ for bringing it up.
16:47*jkwood interjects SpaceHobo's twit
16:47<Peng_>SpaceHobo: Writing an ignore rule and occasionally getting you guys quieted by FloodServ is easier and funnier.
16:47<Peng_>Err, lolzing*
16:48<Peng_>SpaceHobo: Also, I don't use it.
16:48<Peng_>Well, I do sometimes.
16:58<Xel>mike, caker, tasaro: Any of you folks around?
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17:00<tjfontaine>what did you break now?
17:00<Xel>You :P
17:00<SelfishMan>Ugh. I have to fake some corporate letterhead and other documents to pretend to be a business to get netsol to release a domain back into my control for a business that didn't maintain their records and lost all the credentials. This sucks.
17:01<SelfishMan>and I think I just admitted to an intent to commit fraud
17:01<jkwood>I think you did.
17:02<Battousai>don't worry, this channel's logs are only indexed on google
17:02<SelfishMan>Is it fraud if I'm faking the stuff for the company that owns the domain and has the same name? It's the same company but netsol says they are in indiana not montana so they refuse to talk to us without proof.
17:03*SelfishMan googles "SelfishMan Fraud"
17:03<bd_>SelfishMan: I guess if you're acting with authorization as an agent of the company... *shrug* IANAL :)
17:04<Battousai>teehee anal
17:04<SelfishMan>It's the typicaly crap. We have to fax them a signed letter from the principle of the business on letterhead that has the info they want to see on it. Not faking legal documents directly, just using "old" letterhead.
17:04<tjfontaine>dude you said I ANAL
17:05<SelfishMan>so did you
17:05<tjfontaine>but I was quoting
17:05*tjfontaine ^5s Battousai
17:06<jkwood>"Anything you say can and will be taken out of context and used to embarass you in public."
17:08<Xel>Be back latah...
17:09<SelfishMan>Wow, a 12 year old invented a new solar cell that has 500 times the light absorption as a standard solar cell and 9 times more than cutting-edge cells
17:09<bd_>I'll believe it when he actually builds it
17:09<jkwood>If SelfishMan had those specs, we could finally say he was bright.
17:09<SelfishMan>Same here but still, looking at the design it looks like it will be at least half that effective
17:10<SelfishMan>linbot: Hold me
17:10<bd_>mhm, I'm sure whatever he designed is quite impressive for his age - but also because of his age (and because he's talking about his own invention) I can't really put any weight behind those numbers
17:10*linbot lights some candles and puts on romantic music
17:10<linbot>I've been waiting for this for a long time...
17:11<SelfishMan>He isn't the one showing those numbers, others are. He already won a $25k scholarship for it
17:11*SelfishMan rubs his nipples
17:14*linbot burns his eyes out with a flaming pencil
17:18*charlie rubs linbot's nipples
17:19*SelfishMan raises an eyebrow
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17:22*linbot burns SelfishMan's eyebrow
17:22*Internat wavles to restelow.. Welcome tot he crazy house :)
17:23*SelfishMan gives linbot a beer as a peace offering
17:24<SelfishMan>I love linode
17:24<SelfishMan>CPU usage on a overloaded server ->
17:25<SelfishMan>Half the services on a "comparable" system had the cpu running at a minimum of 75% for two cores
17:27<Battousai>i think that graph is (c) Linode, LLC
17:27<Battousai>proper attribution plzktnx
17:27<path->heh, can you do better than that?
17:28<SelfishMan>The previously mentioned graph is the sole property of Linode, LLC. Duplication or distribution without prior written cosent is stricly prohibited. If you experience an increased desire to gamble the consult your physician immediately.
17:28<path->while true; make bzImage; make clean
17:28<tjfontaine>coset cogent
17:29<Battousai>sin sin cosin sin 3.14159
17:29<jkwood>Error: Not enough arguments.
17:30<SelfishMan>I laughed so hard when I first watched the RLS medication commercial that said "frequenty side effects include ... increased desire to gamble, upset stomach ..."
17:30<HoopyCat>i see the conversation has gone off on a tangent
17:30<SelfishMan>Battousai: Nerds? Nerds 2 maybe?
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17:31<SelfishMan>sin sin cosin sin 3.14.159
17:31<jkwood>HoopyCat: You ain't heard the 2^-1 of it.
17:31<SelfishMan>I swear that's where I've heard it
17:32<Battousai>it was a simpsons gag once
17:32<SelfishMan>ignore the second .
17:32<tjfontaine>ignore the man behind the curtain
17:32<jkwood>I thought it was a stardate.
17:32<Battousai>??google sin sin cos sin 3.14159
17:33<Battousai>how does that work in here?
17:33<SelfishMan>!google "sin sin cos sin 3.14159"
17:33<linbot>SelfishMan: Search took 0.21 seconds: MathNotations: sec tan cos sin 3.14159 - Math Team Cheers and Math ...: <>; Dara Hazeghi - Re: ada/9033: sin , cos function problem: <>; e^x dy/dx e^x dx cos sec tan sin 3.14159 … | vanillaskies's Xanga ...: (3 more messages)
17:33<Battousai>there ya go
17:33<Battousai>!calc sin sin cos sin 3.14159
17:33<linbot>Battousai: sin(sin(cos(sin(3.14159)))) = 0.745624142
17:33<Internat>Battousai: uve played that drinking game as well?
17:33<Battousai>i don't need games, to drink
17:34<SelfishMan>Drinking games are what you do when you are trying to get someone else drunk
17:34<Battousai>my drinking game is "see how long before you pass out"
17:34<Internat>we had a drinking game baseda rround that saying..
17:34<Internat>if somone started saying it.. everyone had to have said atleast 1 digit or more of pii before we got to the end or it was drinkies time for them
17:35<SelfishMan>You finished your beer! You won!
17:35<SelfishMan>What did I win? Another beer!
17:35<Internat>so you would be sitting there and all of a sudden youd just here somone start saying it.. and then everyone would just yell 9
17:35<path->not 3?
17:36<bliblok>!calc pi
17:36<linbot>bliblok: pi = 3.14159265
17:36<bliblok>!calc pi - 3.14159265
17:36<linbot>bliblok: pi - 3.14159265 = 3.58979291 * 10^(-9)
17:36<Internat>nup.. last digit..
17:36<jkwood>!calc 3 ohms in puppies
17:36<SelfishMan>!calc square root of pi
17:36<linbot>jkwood: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:36<linbot>SelfishMan: square root(pi) = 1.77245385
17:37<Internat>ie the 9 in 3.144159
17:37<bliblok>Internat: There is no last digit in pi.
17:37<Battousai>!calc square root of -1
17:37<linbot>Battousai: square root(-1) = i
17:37<HoopyCat>!calc arctan(1)*4
17:37<linbot>HoopyCat: arctan(1) * 4 = 3.14159265
17:37<charlie>!calc 3 ohms in liters
17:37<linbot>charlie: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:37<Battousai>!calc e
17:37<jkwood>!calc 3 ohms in SelfishMan's underwear
17:37<linbot>Battousai: e = 2.71828183
17:37<tjfontaine>!calc 1 charlie in the lake of fire
17:37<linbot>jkwood: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:38<linbot>tjfontaine: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:39<jkwood>!calc monkeys in a barrel
17:39<linbot>jkwood: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:39<exor|school>!calc c in furlongs/fortnight
17:39<linbot>exor|school: the speed of light = 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs / fortnight
17:39<Battousai>that's a shitload of furlongs
17:39<SelfishMan>!calc number of horns on a unicorn
17:39<linbot>SelfishMan: number of horns on a unicorn = 1
17:39*path- likes the gas conversions
17:39<charlie>!calc c
17:39<exor|school>!calc number of horns on 50 unicorns
17:39<linbot>charlie: the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s
17:39<linbot>exor|school: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:39<jkwood>!calc number of children in a schoolbus
17:39<linbot>jkwood: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:39<path->!calc 3.5 dollars per gallon in euro per liter
17:39<linbot>path-: 3.5 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.646303777 Euros per liter
17:40<charlie>whoa, that's a really smart calculator
17:40<Battousai>wow gas is cheap in euroland
17:40<HoopyCat>o'er here in the engineering side of things, we prefer to call it approximately 1.803 terafurlongs per fortnight
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17:40<path->if you used euroland money in dollarland
17:40<jkwood>!calc 84 gigabytes in libraries of congress
17:40<linbot>jkwood: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:40<SelfishMan>!calc answer to life, the universe and everything
17:40<linbot>SelfishMan: answer to life, the universe and everything = 42
17:40<SelfishMan>Google confirms it so it must be true
17:40<exor|school>!calc 120mph in furlongs/dat
17:40<linbot>exor|school: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:40<exor|school>!calc 120mph in furlongs/day
17:40<linbot>exor|school: 120 mph = 23 040 furlongs / day
17:40<charlie>!calc the answer to life
17:40<linbot>charlie: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:41<bliblok>!calc answer to life, the universe and everything ohm * the number of horns on a unicorn volt
17:41<linbot>bliblok: (answer to life, the universe and everything ohms) * the number of horns on a unicorn volt = 42 m^(4) kg^(2) s^(-6) A^(-3)
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17:41<HoopyCat>i don't have any problem using F as the abbreviation for furlongs as well, since you usually have a shitload of furlongs but not that many farads
17:41<Battousai>the answer to life is one-third the answer to life, the universe, and everything, so therefore 14
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17:41<HoopyCat>bliblok: you win
17:41<charlie>!calc 1/3 * the answer to life, the universe and everything
17:42<linbot>charlie: (1 / 3) * the answer to life, the universe and everything = 14
17:42<charlie>Battousai's statement is correct.
17:42<bliblok>HoopyCat: Thank you.
17:42<exor|school>what the hack was that answer...
17:42<tjfontaine>hack hack hack
17:42<SelfishMan>!calc gmail pounds of spam per month
17:42<linbot>SelfishMan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:43*jkwood hacks tjfontaine
17:43<charlie>google needs to open source their algorithms for their calculator
17:44<Xel>I don't think that it uses an algorithm :P
17:44<tjfontaine>there are examples of this for python and ruby already
17:44<tjfontaine>go use google to find them
17:44*charlie imagines a shiny multitouch calculator that has the ability to find the answer of life times the number of horns on a unicorn volt
17:44<tjfontaine>ruby units
17:44<charlie>tjfontaine: does it need network to access google though
17:44<bliblok>The great thing with google calculator is that it is unit aware.
17:44<SelfishMan>!calc the answer to life, the universe and everything in furlongs
17:44<linbot>SelfishMan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:44<tjfontaine>charlie: no
17:45<exor|school>!calc 120mph in furlongs/second
17:45<linbot>exor|school: 120 mph = 0.266666667 furlongs / second
17:46<HoopyCat>i think a unicorn volt is going to be really really big, since it's defined as joules per (~6.242E18 unicorns per second) or so
17:46<exor|school>!calc 1 furlong/hour^2 * 1 fortnight
17:46<linbot>exor|school: (1 (furlong / (hour^2))) * 1 fortnight = 18.77568 m / s
17:46<jkwood>I could code a calculator like that in Ruby in a couple hours.
17:46<charlie>!calc 2000000000000002-2000000000000001
17:46<linbot>charlie: 2 000 000 000 000 002 - 2 000 000 000 000 001 = 0
17:46<jkwood>As a matter of fact, I just might.
17:46<exor|school>!calc (1 furlong/hour^2 * 1 fortnight) in furlong/hour
17:46<linbot>exor|school: (1 (furlong / (hour^2))) * 1 fortnight = 336 furlong / hour
17:47<HoopyCat>... if i recall correctly, which i hope i do, considering i've got an exam on unicorn volts, amperes of magic, and siemens of power supply smoke
17:47<SelfishMan>!calc number of bored people per irc channel
17:47<linbot>SelfishMan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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17:48<jkwood>Siemens of power supply smoke? That's brilliant!
17:49<HoopyCat>jkwood: i believe conductance is provided by smoke. removing smoke from a circuit will cause its resistance to increase.
17:49<charlie>tjfontaine: yeah i can't find something like google calculator written with ruby
17:50<jkwood>It makes perfect sense.
17:50<tjfontaine>because you fail
17:50<bliblok>Does anyone know where the volt*Ohm=m^(4) kg^(2) s^(-6) A^(-3) comes from?
17:50<tjfontaine>you just have to be able to get each unit you want to the their base conversion unit
17:50<HoopyCat>bliblok: yes
17:51<bliblok>I can understand the s and A part.
17:51<charlie>tjfontaine: thanks for the link
17:51<charlie>but i don't fail so much that i accidetnally kill off 4,441 users
17:51<tjfontaine>you should how well I fail at killing 1 user
17:51<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
17:51<charlie>*you should see
17:54<HoopyCat>bliblok: basically, for the tl;dr crowd, volts = joules/coulombs. joules being a unit of force heads down the road to kilograms per square meter
17:55<HoopyCat>bliblok: now, the ohm is volts over amps, which is why everything gets all doubly
17:56<HoopyCat>bliblok: if you'd just obey ohm's law and *divide* volts and ohms, i'd not have to write you this ticket for unit abuse. *scribble scribble*
17:57<Pryon>you'll lose your badge if you keep saying joules == force, though
17:57<bliblok>As you may have noticed, I wasn't actually trying to calculate something, getting a wierd result was a positive thing.
17:58<HoopyCat>Pryon: durr, yes, you're right. i'm hungry and brain-melty. joules == work, or force * distance
17:58<HoopyCat>otherwise you'd never get that damned meter in there
17:58<Pryon>energy, baby
17:59*jkwood energy's Pryon
18:01*HoopyCat moves jkwood one meter
18:01*SelfishMan looks back at this window and just sees "otherwise you'd never get that damned meter in there"
18:01<SelfishMan>I'm scared
18:01<Pryon>I'm scarred
18:02<SelfishMan>Oh that's it! It's on now!
18:02<jkwood>Apparently, Pryon has ALREADY had the meter in there.
18:02<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:02<SelfishMan>I am actually LOL 'ing right now
18:02<linbot>Pryon: *click*
18:02<jkwood>Well, so much for that.
18:02<SelfishMan>Uh, drop the 'ing
18:03<jkwood>!rr spin
18:03<linbot>*SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<jkwood>There is is.
18:03<SelfishMan>is is?
18:03<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:03*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:03<jkwood>is isn't.
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<linbot>Pryon: *click*
18:03<SelfishMan>is isn't?
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<Internat>the bots shooting blanks again :P
18:03<SelfishMan>kicked too many times by girls on the playground back in first grade I guess
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:03<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:03*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:04<linbot>scorche: *click*
18:04<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:04<Internat>yeah see your only game to do this whilst hes not opped :P
18:04*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
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18:04<SelfishMan>Can linbot be clicked for flooding?
18:04<SelfishMan>Internat: rejoining the channel is such a hassle
18:05<SelfishMan>Revenge of the lol botz
18:05<Internat>yar! today be talk like a pirate day yarrr1
18:05<tjfontaine>no tomorrow, you silly .au'r
18:06<Internat>19th/9 is today
18:06<Internat>just cause your all fucking backwards :P and slow :P
18:06<Internat>you guys dont have to worry about the world ending today, cause itrs already tommorow in australi a:P
18:06<SelfishMan>It's tomorrow there already? I guess that means we just need to see if Internat is in here to tell if the world will be destroyed by the LHC tomorrow
18:07<tjfontaine>they collide tomorrow?
18:07<Internat>oh, there doing the LHC thing again tommorow?
18:08<SelfishMan>We don't know. After the initial test that everyone was talking about they said "sometime in the next 30 days we will start running it"
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18:09<SelfishMan>What I want to know is how do you calculate the probability of something that has never (to our knowledge) happened yet?
18:09<SelfishMan>They claim there is a substantially greater chance that you will spontaneously combust while shaving tomorrow morning than there is of destroying the world
18:09<jkwood>SelfishMan: With a lot of calculations.
18:09<Pryon>You can calculate (or measure) the probabilities of known constituent events and then add or multiply them appropriately
18:09<bd_>SelfishMan: you assume it's happened already
18:10<bd_>or rather
18:10<SelfishMan>Show me the numbers!
18:10<bd_>they're making assumptions based on cosmic rays
18:10*Pryon shows you "the number"
18:10<bd_>that said
18:10<bd_>If current particle physics theory is correct, we have nothing to worry about. If it's not, we have no idea what'll happen. <-- hard to apply probability here :D
18:11<Battousai>it's awful arrogant of the naysayers to believe humans can generate enough power to cause such destruction
18:11<SelfishMan>It's awful arrogant to assume that we can't cause such destruction
18:11<Battousai>nah, that's humble
18:11<Xel>I've found that even people who believe in predestination look both ways before crossing the street....
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18:12<SelfishMan>I don't hear them being humble. I hear them saying that they are certain there is almost no chance of it happening
18:12<Battousai>i just use the crosswalk and those signs that tell you to go
18:12<Battousai>because then if i get hit i gets the money
18:12<SelfishMan>I just cross and kick any car that gets too close
18:12<Battousai>ah, new york city
18:12<SelfishMan>but then I'm in a small town where I win even if I jump in front of them
18:13<SelfishMan>Dented a guys truck one time and he called the cops. The officer ticketed him and asked me not to do it again. I told him if they brush by me that close then I'm kicking in self defense. He laughed and walked away.
18:15<Xel>Yea, I'd finish with the running you over part if you kicked my car.
18:15<SelfishMan>Is it a nice car?
18:15<Xel>"He jumped out of nowhere and tried to karate kick my car! I think he was high or something - why else would you attack a car?"
18:15<Xel>Not really.
18:15<SelfishMan>Then I'll let you keep it so you can live in it after we go to court
18:15<Xel>Dead people can't sue.
18:16<Xel>Only their relatives can.
18:16<Xel>I've almost been hit a few times as a pedestrian.
18:16<SelfishMan>I had an ex that used to try to run me over all the time. I learned how to bounce off the hood of a car without getting hurt real quick that way.
18:17<Xel>... What kind of psychopath women do you date?
18:17<SelfishMan>Besides, I only kick at crosswalks and the rest of the time I try not to jump in front of the car
18:17<HoopyCat>i had to use a shopping cart to defend myself against an impatient SUV crossing the parking lot at wegmans. i had all day, store security had all day, and eventually, after 20 minutes, he gave up trying to have me arrested
18:17<SelfishMan>Xel: She was really fun when we were together
18:17<Xel>SelfishMan: Did you torture hobos together?
18:17<Pryon>Yeah, but is crazy sex worth having to dodge cars?
18:18<jburd>Aren't both fun?
18:18<SelfishMan>Pryon: I didn't have to dodge cars until *after* we broke up. I didn't know she was the psychotic type until then either
18:19<Internat>yeah ive had ex's that i thought were sane until i broke up with them..
18:20<SelfishMan>I found out that when you hear "I love you too much..." RUN
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19:00<SelfishMan>That's naughty!
19:01*DephNet[Paul] wonders why his bit torrent port is showing as firewalled when the port *should* be forwarded
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19:07*SelfishMan forwards all of DephNet[Paul]'s bittorrent traffic to the meat spin linode
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19:10<Internat>meatspin is fun on a linode?
19:11<SelfishMan>There is a linode doing the meatspin thing, yes
19:11<Internat>fun = rin
19:11<Internat>rin = run
19:11<SelfishMan>Found it last night while typing random Linode IP's into my browser
19:12<SelfishMan> <- NSFW
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19:12<DephNet[Paul]>you have no life SelfishMan :P
19:12<SelfishMan>I was curious what other people were doing for sites and then I found that and a spammer and a whole lot of default apache pages
19:13<SelfishMan>I'm sorry. "Alleged" spammer
19:13<Ttech2>more lolz people. :/
19:13*DephNet[Paul] wonders if SelfishMan found my ip
19:14<SelfishMan>I just looked at starting at the top working down
19:14<SelfishMan>I would have done the whole /24 but I found things that scared me so I quit
19:14<DephNet[Paul]>no, you have not
19:15<SelfishMan>I still can't eat after those traumatic events
19:15<DephNet[Paul]>im on 207.192.x.x :P
19:15*HoopyCat eats SelfishMan's dinner
19:16<Peng_>...I don't remember what meatspin is.
19:16<SelfishMan>Peng_: You don't want to
19:16<Peng_>SelfishMan: Well yeah.
19:16<Peng_>I think meatspin is the one shock picture I've never dared to look at.
19:17<DephNet[Paul]>its not a pic tho
19:17<DephNet[Paul]>its a video
19:17<Peng_>I see
19:17<SelfishMan>It's a video that never ends
19:18<SelfishMan>I had never seen meatspin before I found that IP and I hope to never see it again
19:19<Peng_>Now I'm curious, but I'm still not gonna look.
19:19<Peng_>That's awful that someone used it as his default web page.
19:19<SelfishMan>You have no idea how awful it is
19:19*SelfishMan weeps quietly in the corner
19:21<Peng_>Really? It's bad? Compared to what?
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19:24<DephNet[Paul]>well Yahoo says its 2 guys
19:24<DephNet[Paul]>but one of them isnt a guy ;)
19:24<SelfishMan>it's...hypnotic...sort of
19:27<Internat>in reasonaly words.. without going into too much detail.. can somoen explain what it is.. sinc eim at work and cant lok at it
19:27<SelfishMan>a certain body part going round and round and round during certain acts...yeah
19:27<SelfishMan>So, anyway, how about those Mets?
19:28<Internat>ah.. in that case i can guess the body part...
19:28<Internat>fair enuff then :)
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19:28<Internat>dunno about the mets, but how about that local weather..
19:28<SelfishMan>yeah, that local weather you just never know what it's going to do next
19:28<Internat>i recon, and the local sports team seems like there having a great season.
19:29<HoopyCat>indeed, especially since that offseason trade with the packers
19:29<HoopyCat>aww crap, sorry
19:30<Internat>see now uve gone and ruined it
19:30*Internat throws linbot at HoopyCat
19:30<Internat>!insult HoopyCat
19:30<linbot>HoopyCat - You are nothing but a culturally-unsound enema-bucketful of pickled slurpee-backwash.
19:31<Peng_>linbot: I'd rather ratch meatspin than read that. (I bet.)
19:31<Peng_>(But I'm not going to watch it and find out.)
19:31<SelfishMan>NO, reading that was better
19:31<@jadoba>Brett should take lessons from Seinfeld, Tim Allen and Pink Floyd and quit what he is best at while he's still the best
19:31*jadoba stirs the pot and walks away...
19:31<Peng_>linbot: Oh shut up, I know "I'd" is not a valid command.
19:32<SelfishMan>By they way, MS has stopped running the Seinfeld commercials since they were such a flop
19:32<Peng_>Neither is "Oh", apparently.
19:32<Peng_>SelfishMan: Oh, too bad.
19:32<Peng_>I only saw them twice.
19:44<TofuMatt>anyone here have a reasonable amount of lighttpd/FastCGI experience?
19:45<TofuMatt>I want to switch over to lighty from Apache2 (the mpm-itk version), but I want each vhost to run its fcgi scripts (PHP, Python, and Ruby) as a different user than the web host
19:45<Peng_>TofuMatt: You can spawn the FastCGI programs yourself instead of having Lighttpd manage it.
19:46<Peng_>TofuMatt: I think suexec stuff is possible, but not as easy as with Apache.
19:46<TofuMatt>yeah, that's what I've been doing with PHP
19:46<Peng_>TofuMatt: The #lighttpd channel on Freenode is quite helpful.
19:46<TofuMatt>oh, I stay as far away from suExec as I can
19:46<TofuMatt>Thanks Peng
19:46*Peng_ shrugs.
19:46<Peng_>TofuMatt: Good luck. :)
19:46*Peng_ wanders off
19:48<SelfishMan>I seem to remember suexec under apache would run the script as the user that owned the script?!?
19:48<SelfishMan>Of course I could totally be smoking crack with that thought
19:48<TofuMatt>It does, I believe
19:48<TofuMatt>suExec isn't as flexible as I want
19:48<SelfishMan>So what's the issue then?
19:49<SelfishMan>oh wait, I have it backwards. sorry
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19:50<TofuMatt>suExec checks for things like "is this directory writable by others?" and "is this setguid?"
19:51<TofuMatt>If you have multiple users uploading to a sites' folder
19:51<TofuMatt>then suexec won't work
19:52<TofuMatt>I wish that lighty just had a similar system as mpm-itk
19:52<TofuMatt>i.e. each vhost drops privileges to a user you specify... at least the option would be nice
19:53<Internat>apache suexec is quite awesome
19:53<Internat>you specify in the vhost config the user/group
19:54<Internat>and if perms on files, and users and groups dont match exactly it doesnt run..
19:54<TofuMatt>I know what it does ^_^
19:54<Internat>because my users can only upload via ftp, and its all virtual users by proftpd, i set the uids manually :)
19:54<Internat>ie proftpd sets the uids for me :)
19:54<TofuMatt>My users upload via sftp, because ftp is for n00bs :'(
19:55<TofuMatt>But that does sound nice
19:55<TofuMatt>the proftpd part
19:55<HoopyCat>hmm, how much for a large plate of fibbonachos?
19:56<TofuMatt>oh god
19:56<TofuMatt>it just keeps getting worse
19:56<SelfishMan>oh wow
19:56<SelfishMan>That's pushing it
19:56<SelfishMan>and I thought meatspin was a low point!
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20:00*SelfishMan wonders about the possibility of a XKCD style theme restaurant
20:00<TofuMatt>I would eat there a lot ^_^
20:01<TofuMatt>-5 geeks points for "XKCD" and not "xkcd" ;-)
20:01<TofuMatt>Spoken like a true geek. +10 geek points.
20:02<SelfishMan>I have the Sudo shirt
20:02<HoopyCat>"We recognize the inconvenience the move to Microsoft Live@edu for MCC.s student email accounts has caused everyone and we appreciate the patience shown. ETS has been in constant communications with Microsoft to identify and resolve the problems we have encountered."
20:03<HoopyCat>you sleep with the dogs, you wake up with embarrasing photos on the internet and a nickname you'll have until you die
20:03<SelfishMan>So that's where the name HoopyCat came from
20:04*avongauss still doesn't understand why universities, especially with computer science programs, outsource their e-mail.
20:04<Battousai>cheaper than paying grad students
20:04<Internat>cause its cheap
20:05<Internat>i agree
20:06<Battousai>there are a lot of ways to screw up mail on a network like that
20:06<Internat>some san space.. , a few postfix servers and yoru good :)
20:06<SelfishMan>Why? When you outsource it you are shipping it off to someone that already does that so thei overhead is lower. If you do it yourself you have to buy the hardware, train the people, maintain the hardware and software, upgrade it, etc.
20:06<HoopyCat>it's free
20:06<Battousai>with universities you need to watch the viruses and spamses
20:06<bd_>Isn't google's thing free for universities too?
20:07<SelfishMan>universities don't have a spam problem they have a piracy problem
20:07<Battousai>google's thing is free for everybody
20:07<bd_>Battousai: well, not for large numbers of users or their advanced features
20:07<avongauss>if they don't have a computer sciences department, I would agree SelfishMan - they do, I think having students run it is part of the learning experience.
20:07<SelfishMan>that's why there are federal mandates being put in place that require them to run systems in their network to log all p2p and other "piracy mediums"
20:07<Battousai>that's got nothing to do with email
20:07<SelfishMan>avongauss: I agree with that part of it
20:08<bd_>CS and administration are a bit different, perhaps... IT makes a lot of sense though
20:08<SelfishMan>but that also assumes that the students are competent and can be trusted not to abuse it
20:08<HoopyCat>it's very, very difficult to beat "free", especially when it's the vendor's solution to their not-free system being suckful
20:09<SelfishMan>That has everything to do with email. Instead of spending money and resources on stopping spam and viruses they now have to spend it on making sure the latest hannah montana album isn't being shared
20:09<Internat>you mean miley cirus :P
20:09<Nivex>cyrus, like the mailer
20:09<HoopyCat>(they previously used msexchange, which... uhh... well, let's just say the only access was via the exchange web thing)
20:09<SelfishMan>No, I mean hannah montana
20:10<HoopyCat>(at least with live@edu i can use IMAP)
20:10<SelfishMan>!fight miley cyrus vs hannah montana
20:10<bd_>HoopyCat: gmail supports imap
20:10<SelfishMan>or whatever the damn command is
20:10<Internat>maybe not..
20:11-!-exor|school is now known as exor674
20:11<HoopyCat>bd_: i know, but if it's a tossup between vendor-you-already-use-that-sucks-ass and new-vendor-that-all-the-students-already-use, always go with the former
20:11<Nivex>linbot: help googlefight
20:11<SelfishMan>!google fight miley cyrus vs hannah montana
20:11<linbot>SelfishMan: vs: 905000000, montana: 237000000, hannah: 90400000, cyrus: 68900000, miley: 59500000
20:11<SelfishMan>!google fight "miley cyrus" "hannah montana"
20:11<linbot>SelfishMan: miley cyrus: 28200000, hannah montana: 21700000
20:11<exor674>!google fight "miley cyrus" "ha...
20:12<HoopyCat>sorry, had to close it before something bad happened
20:12<SelfishMan>Oh, ok, miley cyrus it is. Last I saw Hannah Montana was the more popular name
20:12<exor674>!google fight rats cats
20:12<linbot>exor674: cats: 171000000, rats: 49200000
20:12<Internat>becuase she released an album under her own name
20:12<HoopyCat>cats rule; rats drool.
20:12<SelfishMan>!google fight lol lolz
20:12<linbot>SelfishMan: lol: 600000000, lolz: 12000000
20:12<HoopyCat>!google fight cats dogs
20:12<linbot>HoopyCat: dogs: 242000000, cats: 171000000
20:12<exor674>!google fight girls boys
20:12<linbot>exor674: girls: 675000000, boys: 444000000
20:13<SelfishMan>!google fight "I should have kissed" "I shouldn't have kissed"
20:13<linbot>SelfishMan: I should have kissed: 8290000, I shouldn't have kissed: 10400
20:13<SelfishMan>There's your xkcd reference
20:13<Internat>!google fight "i should" "i shouldnt"
20:13<exor674>!google fight "2 girls 1 cup" "1 girl 2 cups"
20:13<linbot>Internat: i should: 1170000000, i shouldnt: 5930000
20:13<linbot>exor674: 1 girl 2 cups: 3860000, 2 girls 1 cup: 1540000
20:13<Nivex>!google fight "blogging accident" "chainsaw accident"
20:13<linbot>Nivex: blogging accident: 3550000, chainsaw accident: 823000
20:13<SelfishMan>!google fight meatspin "2 girls 1 cup"
20:13<linbot>SelfishMan: 2 girls 1 cup: 1540000, meatspin: 142000
20:14<exor674>!google fight goatse tubgirl "2 girls 1 cup"
20:14<linbot>exor674: 2 girls 1 cup: 1540000, goatse: 810000, tubgirl: 302000
20:14<Internat>ok i think weve done the google fights enuff now
20:14<SelfishMan>!google fight "I walked home alone" "We had the best night ever"
20:14<linbot>SelfishMan: We had the best night ever: 8610000, I walked home alone: 3500000
20:14<SelfishMan>!google fight pirates ninjas
20:14<linbot>SelfishMan: pirates: 99100000, ninjas: 1460000
20:15<SelfishMan>Ha! Ninjas suck!
20:15<HoopyCat>!google fight "ray kurzweil" "cory doctorow"
20:15<linbot>HoopyCat: cory doctorow: 1270000, ray kurzweil: 463000
20:16<SelfishMan>!google fight google cuil
20:16<SelfishMan>Google crashed
20:16<HoopyCat>cuil is still around?
20:16<SelfishMan>It never was around. People laughed at it and left
20:17<HoopyCat>like snakes on a plane
20:17<SelfishMan>I lasted about five minutes in that movie and quit watching it
20:18<HoopyCat>g'nite folx! *z*
20:18<SelfishMan>!google fight hoopycat selfishman
20:18<linbot>SelfishMan: selfishman: 3190, hoopycat: 3130
20:19<praetorian>!google praetorian selfishman
20:19<linbot>praetorian: Search took 0.23 seconds: Day changed --- Log opened Sun Jul 20 23:59:01 2008 00:01 ...: <>; Day changed --- Log opened Sun Jul 06 23:59:01 2008 00:32 ...: <>; Logs:URLs for #linode: <>; Logs:#linode:2008:08:24: (2 more messages)
20:19<praetorian>!google fight praetorian selfishman
20:19<linbot>praetorian: praetorian: 1280000, selfishman: 3200
20:19<SelfishMan>Doesn't count when you use a dictionary word!
20:20*SelfishMan wonders how many of those results are IRC logs
20:20<praetorian>praetorian: is not a dictionary word..
20:21<daniel>who's really good at math?
20:21<exor674>daniel: 5 + 5 is 25128172717726632623
20:21<SelfishMan>!dict praetorian
20:21<linbot>SelfishMan: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Praetorian \Pr[ae]*to"ri*an\, a. See {Pretorian}. [1913 Webster]; wn: praetorian adj 1: of or relating to a Roman praetor; "praetorial powers" [syn: {praetorial}, {pretorian}, {pretorial}] 2: characteristic of Praetorian soldiers in respect to corruption or political venality; "a large praetorian bureaucracy filled with ambitious...and often sycophantic people makes (1 more message)
20:21<bd_>5+5 = 0
20:21<bd_>(mod 1)
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20:21<charlie>!google fight chuck SelfishMan
20:21<linbot>charlie: chuck: 109000000, SelfishMan: 3190
20:21<charlie>what now?.
20:22<Nivex>!google fight "chuck norris" "mister rogers"
20:22<linbot>Nivex: chuck norris: 15200000, mister rogers: 1860000
20:22<exor674>!gogle fight "your mom" "your dad"
20:22<exor674>!google fight "your mom" "your dad"
20:22<linbot>exor674: your mom: 27800000, your dad: 16300000
20:22<SelfishMan>!calc e ^ pi - pi
20:22<linbot>SelfishMan: (e^pi) - pi = 19.9991
20:22<charlie>!calc pi^pi^pi^pi
20:22<SelfishMan>What was the math question?
20:22<linbot>charlie: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:22<charlie>!calc pi^pi
20:22<linbot>charlie: pi^pi = 36.4621596
20:23<daniel>Does anyone know how to do this problem?
20:24<Nivex>!calc (1 furlong/fortnight) in (kilometers/hour)
20:24<linbot>Nivex: 1 (furlong / fortnight) = 0.000598714286 kilometers / hour
20:25<bd_>daniel: probably. But what matters is whether /you/ know.
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20:25<SelfishMan>That's easy
20:25<daniel>bd_, i dont which is why im asking
20:25<bd_>daniel: now, since that's an online test, I expect it's open-book.
20:25<daniel>its not a simple * 2 thing
20:25<daniel>it is, but that table pattern is not covered in this chapter
20:25<daniel>for some odd reason
20:26<bd_>Go read your textbook and review until you know how to do it.
20:26<bd_>Or go contact a TA and ask for help.
20:26<bd_>You shouldn't be relying on others to do your tests for you :)
20:26<daniel>the only way i can learn is i know the answer
20:26<daniel>its just ONE querstion
20:26<bd_>daniel: No, that won't teach you anything.
20:26<daniel>bd_, it taught me php, c, and mysql
20:27<daniel>oh and a tiny bit of sys admining
20:27<bd_>That'll give you a correct answer on the test. Or an incorrect answer if someone decides to lie (ps, the answer's 94.32 kilopounds!!!1!)
20:27<Battousai>1.21 jiggawatts
20:28<bd_>anyway, here's a hint: you only need two entries from the table.
20:28<bd_>now go study hooke's law
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20:29<SelfishMan>The answer is the answer to life, the universe and everything minus the number of horns on a unicorn
20:29<SelfishMan>and hoopycat thought that would be useless!
20:29<Nivex>hooker's law?
20:29<SelfishMan>get the money up front?
20:31<SelfishMan>!calc the answer to life, the universe and everything minus the number of horns on a unicorn
20:31<linbot>SelfishMan: the answer to life, the universe and everything minus the number of horns on a unicorn = 41
20:32<SelfishMan>screw this, i'm out
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20:33<daniel>bd_, its a college algebra community college course i doubt theyll introduce hgooks law
20:33<bd_>daniel: they must've covered it somewhere, although perhaps not with that name
20:34<bd_>anyway, feel free to google it
20:34<bd_>in fact:'s_law
20:38<daniel>i did
20:38<daniel>and they didnt cover it
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20:39<bd_>well, *shrug* read the wikipedia article. all you need is on the first page
20:39<@caker>bd_: I haz pv-grub patch
20:40<@caker>but I haven't messed with it yet...
20:40*bd_ looks forward to playing with it :3
20:41<@caker>it's on the hosts in its non-no-partition-incompatible state
20:41<@caker>er .. s/in// :)
20:42<bd_>is that the z-testing thing?
20:42<bd_>hmm - any idea where it expects menu.lst?
20:42<@caker>no clue. It just dumps one into the grub prompt
20:43*bd_ goes to build a pv-ops linux kernel locally to test
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20:44<ibreca>does Linode offer smtp?
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20:44<opello>no, but you can run a mailserver on your linode
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20:45<ibreca>ok. thanks! > opello
20:46<DephNet[Paul]>opello, or use Google Apps
20:46<bd_>caker: was it built for 32 or 64-bit?
20:46<bd_>pv-grub that is
20:46<@caker>32 .. I couldn't get the 64bit version to compile
20:47<opello>DephNet[Paul]: and dozens of other options
20:47<@caker>but I figured 32 was good enough to get my fix
20:47<DephNet[Paul]>opello, true, Google works well enough for me
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20:52<bd_>caker: ok, just need to make sure I use the same arch with whatever I upload
20:54<@caker>bd_: I expect boot logs :)
20:56<bd_>note to self, don't forget ARCH=i386 :|
20:56<bd_>where is CONFIG_XEN hiding, anyway...
20:57<@caker>There's a new top-level Virtualizaton section in menuconfig, I noticed
20:57<@caker>bd_: you know you can search in menuconfig with / ?
20:58<bd_>I do now... but it's apparently missing some dependency and not listed.
20:59<bd_>need 64G memory model -> PAE
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21:10<bd_>I probably should've disabled all the drivers that I'm definitely not going to be using before starting this build. :|
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21:39<@caker>bd_: !!!
21:40<bd_>caker: oho, you were watching? :)
21:40<bd_>... I probably left too many drivers enabled here
21:40<bd_>oh hey, OOPSes!
21:40<bd_>probably related to leaving everything enabled
21:41*bd_ shall report to lkml (this is latest linus tree I'm running)
21:42<bd_>I'll try to tee this somewhere :|
21:42<@caker>ssh user@host logview
21:43<bd_>nice, I didn't expect that to work :)
21:43<@caker>all of the commands work like that, too
21:44<bd_>hmm, I'd prefer a full log for the lkml folks if they need it... I'll see if I can use a horrible hack to grab it
21:44<@caker>a full log? logview gives all of the current session, and the last 250 (I think) of the previous boot
21:44<Nivex>so, who here is going to Ohio LinuxFest?
21:44<bd_>100 lines it was
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21:45<bd_>-> Showing last 100 lines from current boot
21:45<@caker>oh .. weak
21:45<bd_>it got the bug, but I'm now piping the screen session into a file to get the whole thing :)
21:45<@caker>I have the file -- want me to post it to pastebin?
21:45<@caker>I noticed an OOPs like 3 lines into the boot, too
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21:46<bd_>caker: it's logging now, so I'll have it in another 20 secs or so :)
21:46<bd_>... argh
21:46<bd_>need to attach when it's running :|
21:47<bd_>and/or -T doesn't help
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21:47<bd_>yes, -T is a bad idea
21:48<@caker>bd_: want to try that kernel once outside of pv-grub ?
21:48<bd_>caker: I can fire it up in KVM I guess
21:48<@caker>I can stick it on the host for a moment
21:48<@caker>can you post it somewhere, where I don't have to figure out how to loop mount a partitioned image?
21:48<Ttech>I died
21:49<bd_>sure one sec
21:50<bd_>looks like one OOPS, one PANIC, and early on a WARNING
21:50<bd_>(warn_on_slowpath or something)
21:50<bd_>or rather, xen_mc_flush
21:51<@caker>usb* certainly is verbose
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21:51<bd_>I disabled some drivers to speed up the build a bit, but left plenty in too
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21:52<@caker>bd_: ok -- z-testing now points to your kernel
21:52<bd_>partly to see what'd happen, partly because disabling them all would've taken a while
21:52<bd_>caker: instead of pv-grub? okay
21:52*bd_ boots
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21:53<bd_>caker: pv-grub is unrelated
21:54<ijustam>is it a problem if i chose debian etch as the install, then dist-upgrades to lenny?
21:54<@caker>I'll switch it back
21:54<bd_>ijustam: nope, but read the release notes for debian lenny so you know if you need to do any prep beforehand
21:54<ijustam>well, i upgraded months ago and i forgot linode uses a custom kernel
21:54<ijustam>and it never occured to me to ask until right now
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21:55<bd_>ijustam: oh, that shouldn't be a problem
21:55*bd_ is running debian testing on the linode-provided kernels
21:56<@caker>bd_: could try ...
21:57<bd_>caker: okay, I'm preparing a bug report first though
21:59<Nigel>caker: any news on the whole network file store?
21:59<bd_>where does one get /proc/ksyms data from in a non-bootable kernel, I wonder
22:00<@caker>Nigel: it's a secret, still
22:00<guinea-pig>caker: any news on the secret network file store?
22:01*guinea-pig pokes his head in
22:01*guinea-pig pokes his head back out
22:01*guinea-pig does the hokey-pokey and declares himself a drunk hick and passes out
22:01*Nigel really wants it... :)
22:02<bd_>caker: z-testing back on pv-grub now?
22:02*bd_ waits for the forced-domU-kill
22:04<@caker>there you go :)
22:04<bd_>thanks :)
22:04<bd_>sysrq b doesn't work after that panic last I tried
22:05<@caker>CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y ?
22:05<bd_>hmm, what was the default...
22:05<bd_>oh, yes, y
22:06<bd_>caker: boot success!
22:06<bd_>fsck failure
22:06<bd_>how does that work in the normal configs o_O
22:07<bd_>there's no /dev/xvd*, no udev running yet...
22:07*bd_ mknod
22:08<bd_>that's better
22:09<bd_>oh, wrong console
22:09<bd_>caker: sysrq t :)
22:09<bd_>once I saw getty there I realized the problem :)
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22:10<@caker>uml: tty0, xen: tty1, pv_ops: hvc0
22:11<bd_>hat @ vanilla vi
22:12<@caker>vim-tiny screws with me bigtime
22:14<bd_>still missing something
22:14<jkwood>I read anytime instead of bigtime, and couldn't figure out what the heck you were talking about.
22:15<bd_>caker: what's the major/minor of that? I'll add it through finnix, but that's still on xen
22:15<bd_>nm, it's in static finnix dev
22:15<@caker>ll mnt/dev/hvc0
22:15<@caker>crw-rw---- 1 root tty 229, 0 2008-04-24 12:49 mnt/dev/hvc0
22:17<Nigel>caker: hey, well what about IPv6 at HE? :)
22:17<bd_>here goes...
22:17<bd_>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid finnix hvc0
22:17<bd_>finnix login:
22:17<bd_>(not actuall finnix)
22:17<bd_>okay, now to try BSD
22:18*bd_ <-- approximately zero BSD experience
22:18<path->what madness are you speaking of?
22:18*bd_ is attempting to run the first ever BSDnode :3
22:18<@caker>path-: we're hacking the gibson
22:18<path->oh noes
22:19<path->i tried bsd in 1998 i think :/
22:19<bob2>wow, neat
22:20<bd_>instant boot failures oO
22:20<bd_>I'm an idiot
22:20*caker bonks
22:20<bd_>*sets pv-grub kernel*
22:21<Nigel>bd_: can we have that in writing? Signed confession etc?
22:21<Ttech>Uptime 2w 2h 56m 27s <-- not bad for a home server
22:22<bd_>turns out I need the BSD CD after all. it'd be nice if the tutorial had mentioned that. Or said what /dev/ld0i is
22:22<bd_>or wd0d
22:22<bd_>I'm going to assume it wants the CD first.
22:23<Nigel>so does this mean I can have a winnode? :)
22:23<bd_>Nigel: nope
22:23<bd_>pv-grub doesn't get full hw emulation
22:23<purrdeta>heh I love BSD
22:23<Nigel>bd_: damn you! :)
22:24<bd_>don't blame me! Blame caker for not having a kvm beta yet! ;)
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22:24<path->so you're booting grub with xen and then booting other stuff thats grubable?
22:25<bd_>but only if it's xennable really
22:25<bd_>because grub can grub anything xen can xen
22:26<bd_>but xen can't xen something just because grub grubs it
22:28<bd_>caker: what version of xen is on dallas98?
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22:28<@caker>bd_: 3.3.0 and then some
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22:34<bd_>here I am, forgetting to copy the kernel into place :|
22:34<@caker>does finnix rock, or what?
22:35<bd_>and in fact, this site doesn't link to the kernel \o/
22:35*bd_ tosses in some other one at random and hopes for the best
22:36<bd_>ah, needs modification
22:37<bd_>oh, there's the proper kernel
22:37<@caker>bd_: what are you following?
22:38<bd_> in my case
22:38<bd_>maybe netbsd has better instructions - I don't know the BSD device naming, and so it's hard to match things up with the txrx xen config
22:39<bd_>disk = [ 'phy:/dev/wd0e,0x1,w', phy:/dev/cd0a,0x2,r' ]
22:39<path->bsd is so ugly
22:39*path- grins
22:39<bd_>^^^ I'm not too familiar with xen, but will it choke if linode passes it the linux naming scheme?
22:40<bd_>I know on EC2, with their disk configuration stuff (EBS) you have to specify the disk device names differently
22:40<@caker>no clue
22:40<bd_>well one way to find out
22:42<@caker>what do wd and cd signify?
22:42<bd_>nooo idea
22:42<@caker>... as he downloads bsd :)
22:42<bd_>best way to learn is to play with it :)
22:43<bd_>if this succeeds I guess next will be opensolaris with zfs root or something <.<
22:43<@caker>what else runs xenified?
22:43<@caker>plan 9?
22:44<bd_>does it need a GUI?
22:44<path->wd is harddrive i think
22:44<path->too long ago
22:44<@caker>Western Digital?
22:44<bd_>Writable Disk?
22:44<path->not in that way :)
22:44<@caker>ok .. and cd is cd?
22:44*path- shrugs
22:44<bob2>haha gnumach-1-branch-Xen-branch
22:45<bd_>HURDnode! :o
22:45<bob2>itym gnu/hurdnode
22:46<bd_>rock: directory entry would overflow storage
22:46<bd_>rock: sig=0x5850, size=36, remaining=28
22:46<path->fd is floppy
22:46<bd_>netbsd-XEN3_DOMU.gz ohohoho
22:46<path->sd .. probably scsi disk..
22:47<path->you'd think one could find a decent page from google
22:48<path->i should go to bed
22:48<ijustam>does... linux need.. "optimizing" over time?
22:48<ijustam>like.. does it step on its own feet if its been installed for awhile?
22:49<Ttech>ijustam, not that I know of
22:50<ijustam>im just noticing some old stuff on my system
22:50<ijustam>stuff from like.. june 07
22:50<jkwood>Depends on how you upgrade stuff.
22:51<ijustam>That's something else that bothered me... I've gone through 2 or 3 upgrades
22:51<jkwood>If you just compile and dump, you can hose your stuff.
22:51<ijustam>So I didn't know if my system had legacy junk still laying around or not
22:51<jkwood>What distro?
22:52<jkwood>Upgrades with apt?
22:52<jkwood>Then I wouldn't be terribly worried.
22:52<jkwood>What is that command... dist-clean?
22:52<bd_>can only boot x86 32 PAE kernels, not xen-3.0-x86_32
22:52<ijustam>Actually, I have a relatively large list of "obsolete" packages
22:52<ijustam>but last time I purged those I had a lot of residual problems
22:53<jkwood>Oh, I see.
22:53<ijustam>Some are there because I installed stuff outside of apt
22:53<ijustam>so apt doesn't see why I have them installed
22:53<bd_>yeah, needs PAE to run with a 64-bit hypervisor
22:53<jkwood>And that's where your problem probably lies.
22:53<ijustam>But otherwise, I'm probably fine optimization-wise?
22:53<jkwood>Note that I speak as a Slackware user.
22:53<jkwood>Yeah, you'll no doubt be fine.
22:54<@caker>possible to compile *bsd kernels under Linux?
22:54<StevenK>caker: I guess it is, given the kfreebsd project for Debian
22:55<@caker>kfreebsd appears to be debian on top of a bsd kernel
22:55<bd_>StevenK: that can bootstrap
22:55<bob2>kfreebsd bootstrapped from freebsd
22:55<bd_>and, I don't know, I'm not a BSD person :|
22:55*bd_ switches over to solaris for now
22:55*bob2 pukes at bd_
22:56<bd_>I have a KVM (full hardware virt) BSD image here... freebsd though, not netbsd. and I don't know how to roll installer images
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23:07<@caker>once more please?
23:08*Ttech is missing his brain, can someone help me find it?
23:08<bd_>caker: hmmmm
23:08<bd_>xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory
23:08<bd_>is that host or guest side, I wonder
23:08<@caker>bd_: hold off for a sec
23:10<@caker># xm create -f /linodes/linode12491/xen.conf -c
23:10<@caker>Using config file "/linodes/linode12491/xen.conf".
23:10<@caker>Error: The file "/dev/vg1/linode12491-80076" is already used
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23:10<Battousai>what's with those numbers nowadays?
23:10<bd_>I suppose I've turned up a bug in the management software? :)
23:10<Battousai>there's no personality to them
23:10<@caker>lsof doesn't think that's in-use
23:10<bd_>Battousai: since a single login account can have multiple linodes on it...
23:11<Battousai>i remember the good ol' days when linodes could be named mclovin
23:11<bd_>caker: would that see users that are kernel threads?
23:11<@caker>looks like no
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23:13<@caker>I can't figure out what has that in use
23:13<Battousai>try rebooting
23:13*Battousai ducks
23:14<bd_>Battousai: rebooting the dom0 is a ... bad idea >_>;
23:14<bd_>hmm, 80076 is the new solaris CD one... I've only even booted a profile with that attached once
23:15<@caker>bd_: sigh .. maybe dupe 80076 and then blow it away?
23:15<bd_>dupe running
23:16<@caker>don't forget to fix your config profile
23:17<bd_>just did :)
23:17<bd_>broke again >_>
23:17<bd_>I see what's wrong
23:17<@caker>hrm, same thing
23:17<bd_>caker: I guess it doesn't like it when I list the same image twice? :)
23:17<@caker>ah, that'd do it!
23:18<bd_>I wasn't sure where solaris wanted the image, so... *shrug*
23:18<bd_>it'd be nice to allow that with read-only images at least
23:18<@caker>blame Xen
23:19<bd_>solaris imploded instantly
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23:19<@caker>not even a banner first
23:19<bd_>caker: how do you mount the finnix image multiple times?
23:19<bd_>and, it might be possible to trick it with dm... *shrug*
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23:21<@caker>good point .. we're using the same features/flags that the r/o setting sets
23:22<bd_>I wonder if I copied the wrong kernel
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23:29*Peng_ chomps on the CPU
23:29<bd_>hmm, enough playing with this for today, I guess
23:29<bd_>tomorrow I'll try installing things locally
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23:52<Internat>ppl are trying to run solaris on xen?
23:52<SelfishMan>Why does AOL insist on putting ads at the bottom of every PAYING customers email?
23:54<Internat>... ur with aol?
23:54<bob2>omg asl
23:54<Pryon>because even *they* know their customers suck and deserve no better
23:54<SelfishMan>I don't use AOL but someone that just emailed me does
23:54<Pryon>probably a parent and now I'm going to hell
23:55<Internat>!google 30kg in lbs
23:55<linbot>Internat: Search took 0.17 seconds: YouTube - Girl doing pullup with 30kg (66 pounds) added weight: <>; I'm 30 kg (60 pounds) overweight :( What should I do? - Yahoo! Answers: <>; Interim Order for 30-kg (65- lb ) Rated Child Restraint Systems in ...: (3 more messages)
23:55<jkwood>!calc 30kg in lbs
23:55<linbot>jkwood: 30 kilograms = 66.1386787 pounds
23:55<jkwood>!calc 30 kg in stone
23:55<linbot>jkwood: 30 kilograms = 4.72419133 stone
23:56<Internat>oh.. calc.. my bad
23:56<SelfishMan>!calc jkwood's mom in kilotons
23:56<linbot>SelfishMan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:57<SelfishMan>Pryon: Not one of my parents but this person is still old
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