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---Logopened Wed Sep 24 00:00:15 2008
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00:08<Pryon>Can't get to the console and host load is at ludicrous
00:08<Pryon>I hope it's not me
00:09<SelfishMan>What host?
00:09<Pryon>, but I don't think that's the real host name
00:09<jkwood>Ludicrous speed!?!?
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00:10<Pryon>Ah, seems back to normal
00:10<Pryon>Host load is still high, but I'm getting a respnse now
00:10<jkwood>Well, at least it didn't go plaid.
00:12<mendel>Pryon: what's your load average? :)
00:12<mendel>i suppose that's still not representative
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00:13<ijustam>Does anyone have a script that will shut down the eth interface is bandwidth usage is too high?
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00:13<Pryon>mendel: 10 minute avg is 1.25
00:13<SelfishMan>Not that I know of but it would be really easy to do
00:13<Pryon>I don't think it was me
00:14<ijustam>SelfishMan: yeah, just didn't want to do redundant work
00:15<ijustam>i'll probably make something over the weekend
00:16<SelfishMan>Just query the XML stats that linode provides and have it perform an ifdown if they are too high. You will of course have to turn it back on though
00:16<ijustam>i was thinking of making it a cron job to run at 2am eveyr day or s.
00:17<ijustam>2am my time, at least
00:17<ijustam>midnight server time
00:17<ijustam>i assume bandwidth totals reset at midnight on the 1st of the month
00:21<ijustam>^-- still valid?
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00:22<charlie>tasaro: Your cryptic "Malicious Activity" complaint was very confusing, I can't exactly find out what's wrong with it, could you tell me?
00:25<charlie>oh, they think something malicious is happening on *my* box..
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00:25<charlie>that's kind of strange, the ident for the connection says "mudoo" but i don't have a usernamed mudoo
00:25<charlie>*user named
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00:30<Trunet>do you have any promotional code active right now? I want to migrate from amazon ec2 and I'd like some discount.
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00:31<charlie> idk if they work, but there
00:31<Trunet>all is expired
00:32<Trunet>caker. you always post promotional coupons in wht
00:32<Trunet>give one :)
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00:32<Trunet>more storage will be nice
00:33<bd_>Trunet: there's a service in the works for NAS storage, but it's still very hush-hush on the details, it seems.
00:34<Trunet>no problem
00:34<Trunet>I just want to sign up a 1440 plan
00:34<bob2>don't think there are any promo codes atm
00:35<Trunet>2 month free will be nice
00:35<bob2>will or "would be"?
00:35<Trunet>(I'm brazilian, sorry for my english)
00:35<Trunet>(always learning)
00:35<charlie>bob2: haha
00:35<bd_>Trunet: most(?) of the time there are no promotion codes... they usually post them on webhostingtalk when they do have them
00:36<Trunet>I see
00:36<jkwood>Trunet: I haven't seen a single promotion code since I signed on here.
00:37<jkwood>There are referral codes, although I don't know how often those get used.
00:37<jkwood>I haven't used one, anyway.
00:37<charlie>if you want a service that'll give you tons of free space for registering, check out if you don't need IRC access or as flexible of cancellation rules as linode as:
00:37<bd_>the referral codes don't give any kickback to the person signing up, I don't think
00:37*charlie referred someone, i think they have like a month so far
00:37<charlie>bd_: they do if the person you refer keeps it for three months or something
00:37<Trunet>I'd search a lot, read a lot and likes linode
00:37<bd_>charlie: to you, or to that person?
00:37<Trunet>I don't want another vps host
00:37<Eman>ive got a 2 month promotion card that i havent decided on who's gonna get it
00:38<charlie>Trunet: then please accept that linode doesn't have any promotions at this time (that we know of)
00:38<Trunet>yes, I know...
00:38<Trunet>do you like linode?
00:38<bd_>(remember, most of the people aren't staff here - there might be a super secret discount code we don't know of ;)
00:38<jkwood>I love my linode.
00:38<charlie>bd_: if i refer someone who keeps their account for 3 months, then i get some credit
00:38<bd_>charlie: right - but /they/ don't
00:38<bd_>which is my point :)
00:39<jkwood>I use it to serve my website, as an IRC platform, and torrenting.
00:39<jkwood>erm... for, that is.
00:39<charlie>well yeah, that's not how referrals work though, i don't think
00:39<bd_>jkwood: linux ISOs and creative commons media, right?
00:39<charlie>yes i've read that
00:39<jkwood>I'm permanently seeding an iso for Slamd64.
00:39<charlie>i mean referrals don't usually give something to the person being referred
00:40<jkwood>I occasionally pull a tv show that's on the net for free anyway, but that I can watch in my non-internet apartment.
00:40<bd_>some of them do though (Hi, dreamhost!)
00:40<bd_>and anyway the discussion came up when Trunet was looking for a discount, which being a referee wouldn't turn into :)
00:40<Trunet>I used dreamhost, liquidweb vps, amazon ec2(right now)
00:40<jkwood>If your dream is to have someplace that occasionally serves websites, and that you can get for free, then sure, DH is a great deal. ;)
00:40<bd_>Dreamhost still hasn't bothered deleting my account after I cancelled
00:41<Trunet>I hate liquidweb vps... slowwwwwww
00:41<charlie>bd_: are you paying anymore?
00:41<bd_>charlie: nope
00:41<bd_>all my quotas are zero
00:41<bd_>and my billing rates
00:41<charlie>bd_: haha
00:41<bd_>that doesn't seem to have hit the actual web hosts :)
00:41<StevenK>bd_: You can still log in and cause havoc? :-)
00:42<charlie>well, i need sleep, i think i probably have a math test tomorrow or something like that
00:42<Trunet>the dallas dc of linode is theplanet?
00:42<bd_>Trunet: yes
00:42<charlie>Trunet: yeah
00:42<bd_>^^^ links for ping/speed testing
00:42<Trunet>Is this datacenter that fas fire issues?
00:42<charlie>fremont is hurricane electric, newark is net access corporation, and i'm not sure what atlanta is
00:42<charlie>Trunet: no, that's houston
00:42<bd_>StevenK: it's great, I've filed tickets to let them know (which was hard, because their ticketing system isn't designed for this) but they sort of shrugged it off
00:42<jkwood>Yeah. Dallas was not affected by the fires, no.
00:43<bd_>Trunet: also the datacenter that did blow up was fixed :)
00:43<Trunet>mtr for there is nice from brazil
00:43<bd_>(not linode's DC)
00:43<charlie>does anyone know if houston was affected by the hurricane?
00:43<Trunet>I know that
00:43<jkwood>Atlanta is NAP, I think. Or something like that.
00:43<bd_>charlie: it didn't go down, if that's what you meana
00:43<bd_>I hear they switched to generator power, but that's about it
00:43<charlie>ah, well thats good, another downtime would be pretty bad for them
00:43<jkwood>Houston may have been too far north.
00:43<jkwood>I know Dallas was.
00:44<charlie>yeah dallas definitely is/was
00:44<Trunet>so everybody loves linode
00:44<Trunet>I think I'll have to sign up
00:45<Trunet>without a discount coupon
00:48<Trunet>give me some referral code bd, charlie or jkwood
00:48<Trunet>I'll referral the first that post
00:48<charlie>code: 46cb6d6e7ae42fc9414f6c0c83a65045e67a2ea5
00:48<jkwood>Well, that was quick.
00:48<Trunet>charlie wins
00:49<charlie>jkwood: i had my browser open to the linode profile page coincidentally, i was looking up the status of my current referral :P
00:49<jkwood>I don't mind. I may never give a referral, and that's okay with me.
00:50<jkwood>I'm in it for linbot.
00:50<charlie>it's pretty easy to refer people usually, i know a lot of people who have needs for VPSs
00:50<exor|zzz>I wish linode gave us free pizza
00:50<bob2>exor|zzz: $20 credit is like 2 pizzas!
00:51*linbot gives exor|zzz a large pepperoni
00:51<charlie>if only linode account credit was real money we could spend on pizza
00:52<jkwood>Well, in a sense, it IS real money.
00:52<Trunet>Maybe they can deliver in Brazil?
00:53<jkwood>Think of it this way. Say you spend $3.10 a day on cigarettes. If you give that up, and put that money in a coffee can instead, you'll have over $11,000 in ten years.
00:53<Trunet>How many time they activate my account? I already receive a payment receipt email
00:54<jkwood>Trunet: They want to make sure you're a real person.
00:54<Trunet>No, I'm a bot
00:54*jkwood pours coffee down jadoba's tubes
00:54<jkwood>Most of the time, they activate your account within 15 minutes or less.
00:54<Trunet>That is in IRC talking(speaking bad english) and buying a VPS
00:55<Trunet>I'll wait a little more
00:55<jkwood>Which is why I'm caffeinating jadoba.
00:55<jkwood>There for a while, the average activation time was like 30 seconds.
00:56<bob2>the mean was mean
00:56<Trunet>some of you has a panel installed?
00:56<Trunet>cpanel, plesk or something else?
00:56<jkwood>Most of us just use the Linode Profile Manager.
00:56<jkwood>It's not Plesk or Cpanel, but it does the job.
00:56<jkwood>Well... it does SOME jobs.
00:56<bd_>or rather, it does an entirely different job
00:56<jkwood>I admin everything commando-style.
00:57<Trunet>It's to reseller
00:57<bd_>note: pending new accounts probably don't page anyone
00:57<Pryon>jkwood: TMI
00:57<bd_>Trunet: you could use whatever you used on EC2?
00:57<Trunet>some users don't have *nix abilities
00:58<Pryon>Trunet: those people should use two cans and a string
00:58<Trunet>in EC2 I just have one small instance
00:58<Trunet>with EBS and one IP
00:58<bd_>Trunet: did you have some kind of control panel for it?
00:58<Trunet>not right now
00:58<bd_>oh, nevermind then :)
00:58<bd_>I don't use panels, so I can't really recommend one... :|
00:58<Trunet>no problem
00:59<jkwood>Hmm... Who forgot the standard "please note that you are gaining root access on a Linux box that you configure yourself" warning?
00:59*jkwood blames path-
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01:01<Pryon>I stopped doing that as the ultranoobs seemed to be staying away
01:03<Trunet>thanks for you all guys
01:03<Trunet>have a good night
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01:11<Peng_>Hmmm. So if I never ate again, I could like buy a car in 10 years? And a house in 200?
01:11<jkwood>Peng_: Depends on how much you spend on food.
01:12<jkwood>If you're eating nothing but Ramen, then I'm afraid that's a no-go.
01:12<jkwood>McDonald's Dollar menu... yes.
01:14<Peng_>I dunno how much I spend on food. I'm afraid to count.
01:14*Peng_ wanders off.
01:14<jkwood>The car wouldn't be a Chevy Aveo. That's for sure.
01:17*SelfishMan throws a day old McRib at jkwood
01:18*jkwood gladly eats it
01:19<SelfishMan>As nasty as they are I have to have one every few months when they bring it back
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01:21<jkwood>Me too.
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03:35<Peng__>Oh damn. Dallas is finally becoming more reliable than my ADSL. :(
03:36<Eman>at least you arent on pppoe dsl
03:39<Peng_>What *is* PPPoE?
03:39<Peng_>I think I was on PPPoE, but a support tech told me to twiddle a setting and now I'm on something slightly different.
03:39*Peng_ shrugs.
03:40<Eman>username / password login stuffs
03:40<SelfishMan>PPPoE and PPPoA are the dominant technologies on ADSL connections
03:40<Eman>its pretty much high speed dialup
03:40<SelfishMan>Once in a while you see bridged or routed configs bu it's pretty rare
03:40<Eman>with all the same reliablilty
03:42<Eman>they do bridged dsl here, but it costs 4x the amount
03:42<SelfishMan>And do they bridge it and still make you do PPPoE?
03:43<SelfishMan>From a provider standpoint PPPoE is nice because it uses all the same methods of accounting as traditional dialup (PPP)
03:43<Eman>you get your own virtual circuit id and it looks just like a long ethernet connection
03:43<SelfishMan>Radius auth and acct makes it integrate seemlessly into any existing PPP environment
03:43<Eman>my isp never even bothered upgrading their billing system when they added dsl
03:43<SelfishMan>I've seen some that use a bridge through the DSL but the computer still has to do PPPoE to connect
03:44<Eman>it still counts hours and multiplies by my "hourly rate" of $0.00
03:46<Eman>all their user utilities are via telnet
03:46<Peng_>Maybe I'm not PPPoE then.
03:47<Eman>does your router just do dhcp to get an ip?
03:47*SelfishMan DHCPs Peng_
03:50<Peng_>My router uses DHCP to get an IP from my modem, which probably uses DHCP to get an IP from my ISP.
03:50<Peng_>My LAN isn't pretty. I plugged them in and they mostly worked, so.. :P
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03:50*SelfishMan cringes
03:51<Internat>my network is convaluted, but atleast i know how its set up :)
03:52<Eman>same with mine
03:52<Internat>adsl/pppoe on the modem.. which does its own Nat to the 192.168.1.X network.. which has in the dmz.. is my linux firewall, which then routes to the interface, and dishes out 192.168.0.x addresses
03:52<SelfishMan>I'm a firm believer that one of the biggest problems with security these days is too many devices that can just be plugged in out of the box without any additional config.
03:52*Peng_ coughs
03:53<Peng_>Hmm, why does it take 30ms to ping my modem?
03:53<SelfishMan>My outbound traceroute is a minimum of 6 hops before I even reach my ISP
03:53<SelfishMan>Peng_: Wireless probably
03:55<Peng_>SelfishMan: What wireless?
03:55<SelfishMan>Oh. That is really bad then
03:56<Peng_>It takes 1ms to ping my router, than another 30ms to cross tow 2 meter CAT 5 cable connecting them.
03:56<Eman> my home made lazyness
03:56<Peng_>the 2*
03:56<SelfishMan>Not too bad except for the homemade network splitter
03:57<SelfishMan>Not a long run to the other end I take it?
03:57<Eman>about 40feet max i'd guess
03:57<SelfishMan>That isn't too bad then
03:57<Eman>i'd run a second line, but the ceiling is drywalled up
03:58<SelfishMan>Damn I've done that kind of stuff too much!
03:58<Eman>like my 10 year old dsl modem? :(
03:58<SelfishMan>As long as it runs
03:58<SelfishMan>The technology hasn't changed that much anyway
03:59<Eman>i cant even use it to its fullest speeds
03:59<Peng_>Wait a minute. I can usually ping the outside world in, say, 90ms. If 30ms is just the modem, if that was solved, it would be 60ms?!
03:59<SelfishMan>Pretty much
04:00<Eman>from here (detroit area) to fremont: 75ms
04:01<SelfishMan>62ms to fremont, 78ms to dallas, 84ms to newark
04:01<Peng_>I'm not sure what's going on. I got a new modem a few months ago (for no real reason), and that improved things.
04:01<Peng_>Err, it improved my latency to the outside world, I mean.
04:02<SelfishMan>Peng_: What is the RTT to your first hop? The firewall type device?
04:02<Eman>42ms to newark, 53 to dallas
04:02<Peng_>SelfishMan: What do you mean? If I ping my router?
04:03<SelfishMan>Your config is You->router->modem->the rest of the world, right?
04:03<Eman>tracert to and put it on the pastebin so we can see?
04:03<tozz>taling about speed, I've had this problem a while now and haven't found a solution. If I use my web server to host a file I get ~500kb/s down, that's ok (usually around 1mb/s for downloads closer to home) but when I download using SSH/SFTP I barely touch 100kb/s
04:04<Eman>sftp is always been slow for me
04:05<Eman>but then again, i usally only get about 150-220 from my linode
04:05<tozz>is the encryption that's terribly implemented or is it just the protocol? I would really like to know the reason :)
04:05<Peng_>SelfishMan: Right.
04:05<SelfishMan>Then ping your router
04:06<Peng_>SelfishMan: 1ms
04:06<SelfishMan>tozz: Encryption overhead
04:06<SelfishMan>Turn off encryption and try it and I bet the speed is pretty much where it is without SSH/SFTP
04:07<tozz>but seriously, that much overhead? sheesh :)
04:07<SelfishMan>It can detect some cabling issues and other strange problems
04:07<Peng_>Anyway, like I said, I'm very confused. IIRC, with my old modem, I could ping it in 13ms. With the new one, RTT to the outside world dropped by like 20ms. But how can that happen when 17ms is added right at the beginning?
04:07<SelfishMan>The ANL one is better but I can't remember the address
04:07<Peng_>SelfishMan: What is that, Java?
04:07<bob2>tozz: run top on both ends and see if cpu is the bottleneck
04:07<SelfishMan>Googling for "miranda anl" will probably work but that just looks wrong
04:07<tozz>yeah, gonna do that now actually
04:07<SelfishMan>Yeah, Java
04:08<bob2>tozz: also, scp is shit (if that's what you mean by ssh) - try rsync over ssh and it will probably be on-par with http (modulo cpu issues)
04:08<Peng_>SelfishMan: You mean ?
04:08<Peng_>SelfishMan: The otehr page links to it. :P
04:08<SelfishMan>That's the one
04:08<Peng_>I don't have Java.
04:08<SelfishMan>Like I said, googling for "miranda anl" is just not something you want in your history
04:08<Peng_>If the cable connecting the modem and router was faulty, that could cause this, right?
04:09<Peng_>That cable has been in use for six years, so..
04:10<tozz>bob2: I use a piece of software called sftp-drive, it connects over ssh and initiates a sftp-server (part of openssh)
04:10<Eman>sftp drive is slow as shit
04:10<bob2>rsync is probably still faster
04:10<tozz>Eman: got any other recommendation for a win user?
04:10<Eman>windows file copying + sftpdrive = ohgodhowdidthishappen
04:10<tozz>hehe, I use total commander though
04:11<tozz>still affected by windows but not as severe
04:11<Eman>nah, i havent found anything that creates a drive like sftpdrive does
04:11<tozz>kk, it's blazing fast locally between virtual servers though ;)
04:12<tozz>guess I'll live with it
04:12<tozz>it's not cpu related at least, no usage indication at all
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04:15<bob2>stock openssh doesn't include the null cipher, but you can rebuild it if you're interested
04:19<Eman>it could be the linode itself not having the cpu or w/e to allow it to run at full speed
04:20<bob2>didn't top just exclude that?
04:20<Eman>oh i didnt see that
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05:41<agentbleubleu>using grep to get some returned mails from Maildir, I want to get mails with the error "Reason for failure 571 Message Refused" at the moment I have this :grep -r '^From:' /home/linkbuildingassociation/homes/support which gets all mails, now how to refine it so it only gets details with error above?
05:43<chesty>i would suggest perl
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05:45<agentbleubleu>can you give a more detailed answer svp
05:49<chesty>do you know perl?
05:52<chesty>then you are asking me to do it for you, no?
05:52<encode>much as I hate to admit it, perl isn't the answer. grep can do the job just fine, its just defining the regexp that agentbleubleu needs help with
05:52<encode>and the regexp still needs to be written if he's going to use perl anyway
05:52<agentbleubleu>yes this is what i suspect
05:53<chesty>grep usually looks at one line at a time
05:53<encode>chesty: have you ever read grep's man page?
05:53<chesty>i can visualise how to do it in perl, not grep
05:53<encode> -C NUM, --context=NUM
05:53<encode> Print NUM lines of output context. Places a line containing -- between contiguous
05:53<encode> groups of matches.
05:54<chesty>so, what is NUM? 10, 20, 30?
05:54<chesty>is it always the same
05:55<chesty>what do you do with all the lines between the match and match+NUM?
05:55<encode>agentbleubleu: why aren't you just running grep against that exact error message?
05:55<encode>grep -r 'Reason for failure 571 Message Refused' *
05:55<agentbleubleu>erm i tried nothing came up
05:55<agentbleubleu>i will try again
05:56<encode>so... how do you know there are emails in that maildir with that return code?
05:56<chesty>i assumed the error message didn't have the From info
05:56<agentbleubleu>i can see them
05:56<agentbleubleu>on ^to
05:56<encode>agentbleubleu: try it with -i in case you don't have the case quite right
05:57<chesty>just grep for 571 for a test
06:00<agentbleubleu>grep -i '571' /home/linkbuildingassociation/homes/support
06:00<agentbleubleu>this has nothing
06:00<agentbleubleu>nor other combos
06:01<chesty>because it's maildir isn't it?
06:01<chesty>ls home/linkbuildingassociation/homes/support
06:01<agentbleubleu>sec i chech
06:01<chesty>ls /home/linkbuildingassociation/homes/support
06:01<chesty>looks very spammish
06:02<agentbleubleu>how do you mean
06:03<chesty>link building is a way of propelling your website higher in the search engine rankings
06:03<chesty>usualy because they have ads or affiliate stuff on the page
06:04<agentbleubleu>not at all
06:04<agentbleubleu>anyone with a website would like better rankings
06:04<agentbleubleu>in say the real estate market
06:04<chesty>because they are selling stuff
06:05<chesty>they want an unnatural boost in ranks
06:05<agentbleubleu>well many people fo
06:05<agentbleubleu> they want to compete thats all
06:05<agentbleubleu>not if there all at it
06:05<agentbleubleu>which they are
06:06<chesty>maildir has a file for each mail
06:06<chesty>you need to find the right directory, and use a wildcard '*'
06:06<chesty>assuming there isn't millions of files
06:07<agentbleubleu>I have seen tha :)
06:09<agentbleubleu>but seo and link building is propagandairised by google to be spam, it's not if the others are all doing it and you havea better service or content. and in truth google is pretty dam poor about pushing the real good content to the top
06:10<agentbleubleu>they have a nice little biz of the back of pushing people down :)
06:18<HoopyCat>SEO is a scam; "success" is generally based on rankings for very specific searches, and in my experience, real people rarely search for those things
06:19<chesty>HoopyCat: google tell you how many times are specific search term is used, they target the higher ranking ones
06:19<chesty>the higher searched ones
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06:20<HoopyCat>chesty: usually, if i accidentally hit one of those and notice that i'm getting crap for results, i'll search for something else :-)
06:22<HoopyCat>disclaimer: our SEO consists of sitemaps, using robots.txt as a cattle prod, and having damned good content, which works surprisingly well
06:23<chesty>one site seo is great, link building is cheating, and if google catch you, they'll slap you
06:24<chesty>onsite seo
06:26<HoopyCat>i want google to return, as hit #1, the most relevant (to me) single object possible. if it can't, it oughta just say "eh, ain't nothin' good here, ask your friends"
06:26<encode>hehe. I guess that business model will now have to include building a better search engine that takes over the world
06:26<agentbleubleu>hehe, well. I dont make the rules google does. but I can give you real examples, to show you what the world really looks like.
06:28<chesty> has bolded "link building services", but googling for that term, they are nowhere to be found
06:28<chesty>great service
06:30<agentbleubleu>you cannot expect to reach no1 for a competitive term without good links. and despite the logic, sometimes people only link when something is controversial or upsets them, thus if mum and pup joe who make the best pies in london want any biz, they have to compete with people who are controversial and at top, maybe because they are simply bad. The logic is not as sound as one would hope. and is favored for those that will
06:30<agentbleubleu>I have not bothered to rank that site well,
06:30<agentbleubleu>if i wanted it top it would be believe me
06:31<HoopyCat>note to self: rocwiki needs a pie page
06:31<encode>mmm pie
06:32<@mikegrb>mmm cake
06:32<encode>people still use pie??
06:32<HoopyCat>i've got pie on the brain
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06:33<HoopyCat>2 pi is one full pie
06:33<HoopyCat>time for shower, bbiab
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06:51<HoopyCat>i've got a busy day today, and my leg aches; i think it's two-bus day
06:56<HoopyCat>i'm exploring the use of the relative arrivals of busses 11 and 91 at the northbound station as an entropy source; they both arrive at roughly the same time. if i make the 11->91 transfer, it's a 1; if i have to wait for the 50, it's a 0
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09:25<puretcl>Hi. Any known problems in Dallas? our dallas52 machine appears to be down.
09:26*bob2 is live via dallas and hasn't notioced any problems
09:26<@caker>puretcl: it's a DNS problem on your end. Your website comes up fine for me via the IP
09:27<puretcl>Thank you!
09:32<puretcl>Confirmed your diagnosis, caker, thank you for saving me anxiety :)
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09:39<Pryon>"I'm not a doctor, but I play one on IRC."
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10:26<Rafael>Hello, I'm trying to access my account via SFTP (in ubuntu nautilus) but I'm not able to
10:26<Rafael>does anybody knows how to do it?
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10:34<zeroday>you should use the same credentials as ssh
10:35<zeroday>Rafael: ^
10:35<zeroday>whats the actual problem?
10:35<zeroday>any error messages?
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10:42<Rafael>hold on
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10:56<linbot>New news from forums: Add PV-Grub as a domU kernel in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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11:25<jetlag>Any power monkeys here? Is 130V input at the wall too much?
11:25<tjfontaine>to a ups or direct?
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11:25<Bdragon>Generally stuff is made to handle 115-130V for that class of voltage
11:26<jetlag>My cheapo UPSes all went on battery and I'm trying to figure out why
11:26<Bdragon>Do you have a janitor?
11:26<jetlag>My SmartUPS tells me it's getting 129-131.
11:26<jetlag>No, home office.
11:26*tjfontaine would kill for that kind of power
11:26<Bdragon>Or other person who may be physically unplugging stuff?
11:27<Bdragon>right sorry, 110
11:27<Bdragon>129-131 is a bit of an overvolt
11:27<Bdragon>120V was the old standard IIRC
11:28*tjfontaine regularly gets under 110 to his UPS
11:29<Bdragon>120 or 115 is "normal" I think
11:29<tjfontaine>we have particularly shitty electricity on the edge of town
11:29<Bdragon>Ha, I'm 7 miles out of town and we have nice power and dedicated coop peoples
11:29<Bdragon>We have more reliable power than the town does
11:29<Bdragon>it's kinda funny really
11:29<Bdragon>Town has at least twice as many outages than the rural grid
11:30<path->the ups should go on battery if it's over a certain treshold
11:30<tjfontaine>I start the day at 120, by noon I'm teetering on 110 and the UPS's click in for undervolt
11:30<Pryon>destroy all AC units in your neighborhood
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11:31<Pryon>I think the place I live is wired poorly. I can tell when a job is going to the printer because the lights in the office flash whenever the printer is warming up.
11:32<Bdragon>Laser printers are really good at sucking power on startup
11:33<Bdragon>ups's HATE laser printers :P
11:33<Bdragon>hee hee
11:33<Pryon>The UPS and the printer are on the same circuit. It's a 50% chance the UPS will go to battery on the first print job if it has been idle for a while.
11:33<Pryon>But no, the printer is not plugged into the UPS
11:33<tjfontaine>only 50%? you're doing well
11:33<Bdragon>Yeah, if it were, the ups would go into a fault mode as soon as the printer starts warming up :P
11:34<tjfontaine>our new Ricoh makes all the workstations go to battery on every print
11:34<jetlag>I guess it's time to replace these Tripp Lite Specials with SmartUPSes
11:34<Isvara>Bdragon: That's why they're called "frickin'" laser printers
11:34<tjfontaine>pc load letter? wtf does that even mean?
11:34*Isvara smash
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11:36<jetlag>When a mommy and daddy love each other very much...
11:37<tjfontaine>they go to the store
11:37<Pryon>s/store/cabbage patch/
11:37<Battousai>that would be angelina jolie, buying up the third world kids
11:38<Draicone>What, adopting kids is popular again? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things >_>
11:38<tjfontaine>you're supposed to do do the agatha christie "brown babies" voice when you say that
11:39<Battousai>well aged
11:40<Bdragon>(from )
11:40<Pryon>wrong output voltage, too :-)
11:41<jetlag>The SmartUPSes were bought specifically so we could turn their sensitivity way down because the genny puts out a Chinese waveform
11:41<Bdragon>The concept is still good :P
11:41<Pryon>Bdragon: indeed
11:42<Pryon>What is a Chinese waveform?
11:42*Bdragon is guessing "sawtooth" :P
11:42<jetlag>something like this /-___/\/\/\/-__--__-_?/\/\/\/????|/\/\?
11:43<tjfontaine>clearly that's the heroes symbol
11:43<Bdragon>Are the ???'s where it's showing multiple lines on the scope? :P
11:43<tjfontaine>the "light" if you will
11:44<Pryon>You need to keep a defibralator (battery-powered) next to your generator
11:45<jetlag>I'll need the defribulator the next time it blows up a battery on self-test
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11:49<purrdeta>procmail is fun :P
11:49<purrdeta>sorry. I am random sometime...
11:49*Pryon reseeds purrdeta
11:49<Pryon>Hmmm. That sounds bad.
11:50<jetlag>And that's how you make babby
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11:52<panthar>There seems to be some disagreement between the dropdown in the linode panel vs the list of kernels then you get when clicking the link next to that dropdown...
11:52<panthar>What is the correct "Latest 2.6 series"?
11:52<tjfontaine>latest *stable* xen
11:53<panthar>ah ok
11:53<tjfontaine>although I have no problems on the highest number either
11:53<panthar>was for the uml or whatever was used before?
11:53<tjfontaine>not sure what latest is for uml without looking
11:53<Pryon>that looks right
11:53<panthar>ok that makes sense why I don't see it in my dropdown then :)
11:54<panthar>I've been having weird issues with the newer kernels so I'll stick with the "Latest 2.6" for now.
11:54<tjfontaine>what kind of issue?
11:54<panthar>Strange lockups and exceptions that freeze the machine
11:55<tjfontaine>how [in]frequent?
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11:55<panthar>It's happened twice in the past 3 days - first a bad ELF header on a file then some error about tainted memory during login
11:57<panthar>And it was only after I tried one of the newer kernels.
11:58<tjfontaine>just out of my own pure curiosity, which host are you on?
11:58<tjfontaine>ok thanks :)
11:59<panthar>I'll give the "Latest" a shot for a while and hopefully that takes care of things.
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12:09<linbot>New news from forums: Backups - again in General Discussion <>
12:10<jetlag>Now if only links were clickable in putty this would be perfect.
12:14<panthar>My VT100 doesn't have clickable links either.
12:14*jadoba is still waiting for links to be clickable in notepad
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12:15<panthar>Yeah, I've used that.
12:15<panthar>Putty itself does not....
12:16<panthar>But, there's a version that does
12:16<panthar>PuTTy Tray
12:16<panthar>Think of it as Putty++
12:16<jetlag>100% more malware?
12:16<panthar>Nah, it's open sores like putty
12:17<Dave>panthar: thats informative
12:17<panthar> if you're curious
12:17<Dave>although I do not want any sores opening
12:17<panthar>Yeah, those tend to cause leaks.
12:18<panthar>But if you want to add a little fluff to PuTTy, it's a nice little version.
12:21<atourino>hehe... i was just reading on putty variations:
12:22<dice>TWSC is my solution.
12:22<dice>TWSC will do the open link menu thing, and is a fun launcher for the session configs I tend to acquire.
12:23<dice>Terminal Window ShortCuts, I think.
12:24<panthar>Discontinued and rolled into "SSC"...
12:24<panthar>Looks like a nice little launcher
12:24<panthar>quick and simple
12:24<jetlag>Multiple solutions, yay #linode
12:24<dice>panthar: I've been using it for years now. It's fantastic for me.
12:25<dice>alt+\, then select the session, hit enter, and good to go.
12:25<dice>I did end up creating a Putty.lnk file that opens putty maximized that's called by twsc.
12:26<panthar>I might give the new version of that (SSC) a try since they said they left TWSC with some bugs
12:27<panthar>looks about the same, but supports a few more apps
12:27<panthar>could be a great generic launcher
12:35<jetlag>Vista's Consolas seems less readable than Courier New, way to go MS.
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12:37<SelfishMan>Something happening with dallas71?
12:37<dice>Bitstream has been a recent experiment.
12:38<dice>I mostly like it, except for l/1.
12:38<dice>Which look very, very similar.
12:38<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: apparently you broke it
12:39<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: I certainly won't rule that out but the node isn't doing anything now that it hasn't been doing for the last three months except running insanely slow with a high iowait
12:39<Dave>SelfishMan: dallas71 is fine
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12:54<Isvara>Hmm. About 10 seconds to execute ' shell' on newark1.
12:54<Isvara>It should only be about a second.
12:55<tjfontaine>ur doin it wrong
12:55<Isvara>Quite possibly, but I don't see how.
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12:55<sventunus>hi everyone
12:56<sventunus>am trying to install virtualmin on a linode360 running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS 64-bit
12:56<sventunus>the installer quits with a fatal error upon installing virtualmin-base
12:56<sventunus>the tail of my log mentiones an error trying to run dpkg-configure
12:56<sventunus>anyone knows how to solve this issue?
12:57<tjfontaine>paste the whole error to
12:57<tjfontaine>and paste us the url
12:59<sventunus>thanks! :-)
12:59<sventunus>this should be the one:
13:00<tjfontaine>The filesystem / could not be remounted with quotas enabled. You may need to re
13:00<tjfontaine>is the problem
13:00<sventunus>yes, I figured
13:00<sventunus>but how can I fix this?
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13:00<tjfontaine>and your terminal cut off the rest of the message, you need to remount / with the permissions to have quotas
13:01<sventunus>su can I just umount / and then mount / with some option while the system is running?
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13:02<Isvara>sventunus: You need the remount option.
13:03<sventunus>thank you Isvara
13:03<sventunus>could you clarify a bit more please?
13:03<sventunus>don't know exactly what I should do :-s
13:04<Isvara>Probably something like: sudo mount -o remount,quota /
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13:04<Isvara>But check the manpage
13:04<sventunus>ok thank you very much, I will
13:06<jetlag>So can other nodes on the same system clobber my io?
13:06<SelfishMan>jetlag: Only on Thursdays
13:07<jetlag>I was told my site on newark4 was slow at some random point in time last week
13:08*SelfishMan quickly checks the calendar
13:08<SelfishMan>Well, it's only Wednesday so you should be safe
13:09<SelfishMan>But yes, someone can hose your IO if they try really hard. Are you sure it wasn't your node having issues?
13:09<jetlag>Maybe it was last Thursday
13:09<jetlag>I dunno. My graphs are pretty flat
13:12<Isvara>I have a suggestion for the root DNS zone:
13:12<Isvara>rog IN CNAME org.
13:12<SelfishMan>Isvara: I think that would make the entire TLD implode
13:13<SelfishMan>I don't think PIR could handle it. Their zones are pretty messed up
13:13<jetlag> 13:13:32 up 110 days, 1:15, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
13:13<Isvara>Who are PIR?
13:14<daniel>jetlag, how many hits does their site get?
13:14<jetlag>like 10/day
13:14<SelfishMan>Public Interest Registry. They are kinda sorta part of Afilias
13:14<SelfishMan>The people that control the .ORG TLD
13:15<Isvara>I don't think it'd affect them, and it'd save me having to learn to type properly, so let's do it!
13:16<SelfishMan>They have TTLs all over the place in the zone and it makes no sense
13:16<daniel>meh, I want my load down to 0 when there's 50,000 people on my site heh :D
13:16<daniel>Does linode offer uhmm custom packages? In case I want the power of 2 linode2880's without the extra space or bandwidth? (OK, so may be a little bit more bandwidth but mostly the ram?)
13:16<jetlag>actually more like 100/day but you get the idea.
13:16<row>rog cnamed to org would only work when typing org as the domain.....
13:17<SelfishMan>That too
13:17<jetlag>daniel: you can purchase additional resources
13:17<row>as everyone would have to have their records set up to cname everything to rog and you can't cname @ in a zone file either
13:17<row>be insanely messy
13:17<row>and completely retarded
13:17*SelfishMan looks at .ORG TLD zone and declares anything using ns[1-4] to be evil
13:18<daniel>jetlag, yeah I know, but meh that gets expensive. :P
13:21<jetlag>Hmm... what should I bind nicklist scroll to?
13:21<Isvara>row: Nonsense. It's not CNAMEing @. I'm talking about the /root/ zone, not a TLD zone.
13:21<Isvara>And "´╗┐rog cnamed to org would only work when typing org as the domain" is nonsense too.
13:22<SelfishMan>purple...that is all
13:22<row>Isvara: you sure?
13:22<row>never tried it I will be honest
13:22<jetlag>When I read "rog" the rest of the sentense reads in a Chinese accent for some reason.
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13:37<jetlag>The UPSes came back up
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13:52<jetlag>Seems to me there should be a way to poke the freshclam daemon into updating "now"
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14:00<tjfontaine>jetlag: certainly it checks immediately on restart
14:01<path->freshclam -v
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14:01<tjfontaine>what does verbose have to do with anything? :)
14:01<path->check the virus database revisions and see the output
14:01<path->it doesn't do anything really
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14:03<tjfontaine>ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log).
14:03<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Strategy: Registrar, Linode, or 3rd party in Linux Networking <>
14:03<tjfontaine>wth does that even mean
14:03<path->maybe the file or dir doesn't exist?
14:03<tjfontaine>Received signal: wake up
14:03<tjfontaine>ClamAV update process started at Wed Sep 24 13:29:36 2008
14:03<tjfontaine>main.cld is up to date (version: 48, sigs: 399264, f-level: 35, builder: sven)
14:03<tjfontaine>daily.cld is up to date (version: 8324, sigs: 35415, f-level: 35, builder: arnaud)
14:04<tjfontaine>it does :)
14:04<jetlag>I get that when I try to run it manually when the daemon is also running
14:04<path->file must have a write lock
14:04<jetlag>I noticed the daemon responds to HUPs and ALRMs nicely.
14:05<tjfontaine>yes I was just about to tell you :)
14:05<tjfontaine>Received signal: re-opening log file
14:05<tjfontaine>and then on its way
14:05<jetlag>I guess freshclam needs to be restarted when I upgrade anyway
14:06<tjfontaine>are you not in dallas?
14:06<path->sounds logical to restart a daemon after upgrading it
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14:06<jetlag>I'm in newark
14:06<tjfontaine>k, so much for my free clamd :)
14:07<jetlag>freshclam should be a nice daemon and restart itself when I poke it and there's a new version on disk
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14:08<xithor>Quick question about the service... I know you can "Deploy multiple Linux distributions." Does this imply you can, for example, purchase a Linode 360 and run two vms with 180mb of memory?
14:08<SelfishMan>xithor: No. One instance at a time
14:08<xithor>Ok, that's what I figured... Never hurts to ask, eh?
14:08<SelfishMan>Think of it as "dual booting" your linode. No different than a desktop
14:09<jetlag>UML FTW
14:09<xithor>A shame, really. Would be an excellent feature.
14:10<Pryon>Nested VMs don't work so well, AFAIK
14:10<SelfishMan>One of these days I will test it
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14:11<bliblok>xithor: What would you use that for?
14:11<jetlag>UML in xen seemed to work fine.
14:11<xithor>Would be useful for redundancy on servers that don't require much memory.
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14:12*SelfishMan spams AOL
14:12<xithor>Wouldn't necessarily help if the entire box, or network connection went down, but could certainly be handy if a daemon were to kick the bucket.
14:13<SelfishMan>If your daemons are failing then you are doing something wrong
14:13<SelfishMan>or just using the wrong daemon
14:13<xithor>Right. Thanks.
14:14<SelfishMan>Anyone know if there is a command to flush all paged blocks back to RAM?
14:14<bliblok>You'd be better off with a system that restarts the daemon upon problems.
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14:14<bliblok>SelfishMan: swapoff?
14:15<SelfishMan>OK. Wasn't sure if that did it in a nice way and really didn't want to find a bunch of blocks "missing"
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14:22<r3z``>Anyone good with wordpress?
14:22<jetlag>apt-get install wordpress ?
14:22<SelfishMan>r3z``: Sure. What's the problem?
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14:25<r3z``>Can someone check and tell my why noone can leave comments or view a specific post and also why rss isnt working?
14:25<r3z``>err can you ;)
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14:25<SelfishMan>Looks like your rewrite rules aren't happening
14:26<SelfishMan>make sure you enabled mod_rewrite and have allowed the .htaccess to override that
14:26<jetlag>"; //--> Code corrupted. Insert fresh copy.
14:26<jetlag>That's probably not good either
14:27<SelfishMan>Where are you seeing that error?
14:27<jetlag>at the bottom of the page
14:27<r3z>Ya I saw that.
14:27<SelfishMan>Oh, yeah
14:27<SelfishMan>That's the stat counter though so it's not the main problem
14:28<r3z>I dont have a .htaccess
14:28<r3z>Should I?
14:28<r3z>err nevermind
14:28<SelfishMan>r3z: It will build one for you
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14:28<SelfishMan>You may need to go back into one of the options pages and force it to rebuild the rewrite stuff
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14:29<SelfishMan>Your statscounter code is all escaped and the angry backslashes are killing it
14:30<jetlag>Or turn the rewrite stuff off
14:30<SelfishMan>pretty urls are a good thing though
14:33<jetlag>I like the don't-expect-this-link-to-last attitude the question mark brings
14:33<r3z>mod_rewrite might not be enabled
14:34<r3z>I am checking now
14:34<jetlag>a2enmod rewrite
14:34<SelfishMan>a2enmod rewrite
14:34<SelfishMan>then force-reload apache2
14:35<SelfishMan>you will probably have to make wordpress build the rules again
14:36<r3z>Hey if you enable mod_rewrite it works. Who knew? :-p
14:36<jetlag>I like how Wordpress is really user friendly until it completely breaks without any reasonable error messages
14:37<SelfishMan>It tries to do the best it can to make sure the page still displays but the apache error logs typically have a bunch of stuff explaining why
14:37*r3z goes off to make stattrracker xhtml compatible
14:37<r3z>err statcounter
14:40<jetlag>I like how MySpace basically simulates the Internet circa 1996 but with 100x the bandwidth
14:41<r3z>Checkout my aol homepage profile thingie!
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14:42<jetlag>fpevcg grfg
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15:00<jetlag>I keep losing PuTTy Tray. "Oh yeah, it's in the tray"
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15:03<kambiz>good afternoon .... quick question ... I just setup a new host ... and it appears I cannot connect to arbitrary ports that I might have open on my node .... is it possible to open this up?
15:04<Eman>are you in atlanta?
15:04<Eman>your linode i mean
15:04<kambiz>also ... port 22 appears to be intercepted and sent off to this bizarre "lish" interface ... ... no I set it up on the dallas node.
15:05<bd_>kambiz: you're connecting to the wrong IP
15:05<@caker>kambiz: console != ssh. You want to ssh into your Linode's IP address. Not the host it resides on
15:05<kambiz>I see
15:05<bd_>the is your host, not your own linode, and its lish is to help you bail out in case you break your networking or ssh config :)
15:05<kambiz>my mistake may have been going to the node my linode resides on.
15:06<bd_>the correct IP address should be on the 'network' tab on the platform manager thingy
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15:07<kambiz>hmm ...
15:07<kambiz>doesnt seem to be the case ...
15:07<@caker>as root.
15:08<Pryon>kambiz: Have you started sshd on your linode?
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15:09<kambiz>openssh-daemon (pid 2491) is running...
15:09<Pryon>bd_: I imagine you saying "thingy" with an Edmund Blackadderesque accent
15:09<bd_>probably not, actually :|
15:10<kambiz>when I go to the IP address of my linode ... it drops me into a lish ... with a screen session around it ... the one shell itself seems to be tied to the console of the linode ....
15:10<bd_>kambiz: where are you sshing into?
15:10<Pryon>that's the host, not your linode
15:10<bd_>that's not your linode
15:11<bd_>go to the linode manager, click the network ta
15:11<bd_>the address next to eth0 is what you want
15:11<kambiz>ok ... trying
15:11<@caker>it's also on the "Linode Manager" page
15:11<@caker>next to each Linode :)
15:11<Pryon>STFU noob
15:12<kambiz>thanks ... I feel like a dumbass
15:12<@caker>Pryon: make me a sandwich
15:12<Pryon>sudo no
15:12<Pryon>sudo mv caker sandwich
15:12<@caker>sudo sudo
15:12<bd_>fix sudo
15:14<kambiz>pretty slick setup ... so the is the you-just-fucked-yourself protection .... thanks again.
15:14<@caker>it be the console
15:14<@caker>and then some (can issue jobs from the lish prompt, too)
15:14<linbot>caker: "lish" could be allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
15:14<Eman>i wish i could find IPMI cards for the old hosts you guys sold off
15:14<jcn>caker: the linode homepage isn't reflecting the most recent blog post...
15:14<@caker>Eman: how many?
15:14<Pryon>kambiz: Just to make sure - my rude remark was directed at caker, not you
15:15<jcn>"lish" could be allows you to perform certain actions...
15:15<Eman>umm i'd need 6
15:15<jcn>"could be allows?"
15:15<@caker>jcn: it's a factoids thing
15:15<Eman>nobody sells them and supermicro was all "cant get it for you"
15:15<@caker>Eman: ok .. I have two :/
15:16<Eman>interested in selling?
15:16<@caker>I don't see why not. I messed with them over a week or two, and they've been sitting in static bags ever since
15:18<Eman>how much and where/how do you want the moneys?
15:18<Pryon>the scrooge McDuck pool will do nicely
15:19<kambiz>pryon: you mean you weren't calling me a NOOB? :( I was happy for a minute to elicit such an appropriate response. :-)
15:19<Pryon>kambiz: You may be a linode noob, but that'll wear off shortly
15:19<@caker>Eman: I see some on ebay.... ?
15:20<Eman>i was told the 2.0's wont work in the older boards
15:20<jetlag>here's my voltage graph
15:20<@caker>lemme find mine
15:21<kambiz>ok ... bye for now ... I might setup my xchat and/or bip to login to this channel automagically in the future.
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15:21<jetlag>My electrocutician is tellin me over 126 is bad juju
15:22<Eman>jetlag: mine floats around 135
15:22<Pryon>jetlag: you're on the grid, right?
15:22<bd_>It's allowed to vary a bit, I think.
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15:22<jetlag>yah, ze grid
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15:23<jetlag>some other dude said it could go up to 144 though
15:23<@caker>Eman: SuperMicro BMC2
15:23<jetlag>I'm all like hey, this isn't Canada here, we have standards
15:24<Eman>caker, and those work in the old hosts?
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15:25<@caker>well .. I bought them ages ago. Probably around host30 or something
15:25<@caker>my plan was to replace the console units when them across the board... and that they'd work in everything. But don't quote me on that
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15:26<@caker>anyway, it worked out that console units were cheaper per port than these little things
15:27<@caker>it's this: , except an older rev
15:27<Battousai>i'll take 8!
15:27<@caker>mine don't have the pins sticking up on the right side
15:28<Eman>those should work then
15:28<@caker>"To order, contact your distributor. This product is only available through Supermicro."
15:28<@caker>seems like they're still selling?
15:28<Eman>i had been looking for
15:28<Eman>cause its linked from the page about the server
15:29<Battousai>50 bucks booo
15:29<@caker>ah ...
15:29<@caker>well, those are not what I have
15:29<@caker>email SuperMicro .. they're usually very responsive
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15:46<Marius>How do you unsuspend a user over linux? (as in, ssh and ftp access is blocked)
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15:58<Fried_>Marius: if the account is locked you can unlock it with "usermod -U username"
15:58<Fried_>-L locks the user
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16:00<linbot>New news from forums: My Linode went down and I dont know why in General Discussion <>
16:00<SelfishMan>So that whole power thing from earlier
16:02<SelfishMan>about 126 is bad but happens frequently. Ever wonder why your incandescent bulbs burn out so often? Ever wonder why those "long life" CFLs die every year? It's because they are rated for 115 volts nominal. If you go to the hardware store and look at regular incandescent bulbs you will see the "long life" or "commercial" bubls are rated at 130V nominal and they will last longer.
16:02<SelfishMan>If a single leg of your power frequently floats above 135V then you will have issues
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16:15<daniel>Is there any new news about the backups for linodes?
16:16<tjfontaine>you meant he new linode NAS that's in the works?
16:16<SelfishMan>Yep. My linode is backed up frequently at random intervals around the 15 minute step tick
16:16<@caker>there is no spoon
16:17<SelfishMan>Oh, you mean news about Linode doing the backups that you should be doing for you
16:17<Fried_>Amazon S3 ftw
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16:17*SelfishMan suddenly feels old
16:20*bd_ has recently switched from duplicity->s3 to rsyncing to EBS
16:21<jcn>what is ebs?
16:21<bd_>amazon's persistent block device thing for EC2
16:21<jcn>ah. but isn't that limited in size?
16:21<bd_>basically I spin up an EC2 instance, attach the block device, rsync everything across, then kill the EC2 instance
16:21<bd_>jcn: well, you can allocate up to 1TB...
16:21<jcn>oh i didn't know that.
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16:22<bd_>interestingly, it's actually slightly cheaper than S3 for raw storage (but has lower reliability in theory)
16:22<bd_>(geographically distributed storage vs raid5, is the general idea)
16:23<SelfishMan>bd_: What EC2 image are you using or did you roll your own?
16:23<bd_>I'm actually using the same image I made a while back to merge duplicity incremental backups into a full backup (self-rolled debian+duplicity), I'm just not using the duplicity part anymore
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16:25<bd_>although really any image would work
16:25<bd_>I should probably roll one with a newer rsync so I can use the incremental file scanning feature of rsync 3
16:25<SelfishMan>Yeah, I have my own images but I'm always curious what everyone else is running
16:26<bd_>the script I'm using now doesn't care as long as rsync and ssh are installed :)
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16:30<path->bd_: you do any type of encryption or signing with the ebs stuff?
16:30<bd_>not yet
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16:30<jcn>so why rsync vs duplicity?
16:30<bd_>dm-crypt might be interesting
16:31<bd_>jcn: I kept forgetting to purge the older backups, and decided I didn't need to be keeping them around anyway
16:31<bd_>also duplicity is slooooow
16:31<bd_>plus I was bored and wanted to play with the APIs a bit :)
16:31<jcn>more to the point.
16:32<jcn>i'm trying to figure out a good/easy backup solution for my linode.
16:32<bd_>well I could post the script I'm using, if it'll help
16:32<tjfontaine>write done by hand everytime you make a change :)
16:33<jcn>bd_ that'd be awesome, just to see your approach
16:33<bcc>brackup is pretty good if you want to use S3...
16:34<bd_>a sec
16:34*bd_ removes secret keys
16:34<atourino>from one of the FreeBSD security guys:
16:35<atourino>Im looking at it myself
16:35<bd_> <-- it should be noted I don't usually use ruby, so there may be ugliness afoot :)
16:36<bd_>also, make a file /root/backup-exclude with whatever you want to exclude from the backkup
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16:39<bd_>btw, anyone know how to query a remote ssh server for its public key programattically, or change the location of ssh's config directory?
16:39<jcn>and does that preserve permissions and things in the files that are backed up? i assume so since it's just straight rsynch
16:40<bd_>jcn: yeah, it's rsyncing with -a so all that's preserved
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16:55<jcn>bd_: cool, thanks. i'll check it out.
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17:35<daniel><SelfishMan> Oh, you mean news about Linode doing the backups that you should be doing for yo
17:35<daniel>yes that :P
17:36<linbot>New news from forums: Delete in General Discussion <>
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17:48<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] rm -rf / in /dev/random <>
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17:51<eurotrash>Evening. Just wondering, which of the datacenters has the fastest peering to mainland Europe. Is it NJ or TX ?
17:54<@caker>Probably NJ
17:54<@caker>eurotrash: --^
17:54<eurotrash>thx fellas !
17:56<Daniel_G>i can tell you it is NJ, at least to Scotland, i tried a few and NJ has worked out best...
17:58<charlie>i've had some people report from europe, and generally all the other datacenters, that they've had higher than normal latencies to my linode in NJ
17:58<charlie>it's not the most direct route iirc
17:58<eurotrash>tried out the files. amazingly fast. I'm a new customer for sure. NJ seemed to be the fastest to Berlin
18:00<Daniel_G>well i dont know about latencies, but i definitely get the fastest download speeds downloading large files from my VPS
18:01<Daniel_G>my 8MB connection caps out 24/7
18:01<Daniel_G>except when my BS broadband provider is traffic shaping :\
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18:26<bliblok>NJ is the best for me here in Norway.
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18:31*linbot slaps jkwood
18:32*cruxeternus linbots jkwood
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18:36<Marius>bliblok, silly norwegian
18:36<Marius>I personaly find dallas to be the best link ;P
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18:50<KB1PYW>what is the bandwidth cap for traffic leaving a slice?
18:50<Daniel_G>this sint slicehost! but the answer is your bandwidth is allowance is combined up and down
18:50<Bdragon>Max traffic - traffic entering ;)
18:51<KB1PYW>oh sorry, old habits die hard..
18:52<KB1PYW>so at a point in time, the max bandwidth is.. what/
18:52<Bdragon>you really meant bandwidth?
18:52<Bdragon>As fast as you want..
18:53<Bdragon>The amount of data you can transfer in a month is limited. How fast you can do so is not.
18:53<KB1PYW>hmm, are you sure?
18:54<atourino>bdragon it's limited by the physical abilities of the network interface.. routers etc
18:54<Bdragon>yeah yeah...
18:54<Daniel_G>well its a shared connection, so you can cap it out, but when someone else on the node starts to use the connections your allowance will drop as his goes up, if you follow...
18:54<Bdragon>Several megabytes per second is not uncommon..
18:54<KB1PYW>for sure
18:54<KB1PYW>for realy????
18:55<KB1PYW>oh man...
18:55<Bdragon>I've always found it limited by the links between / the OTHER end of the connection...
18:55<Daniel_G>the max ive seen going into my linode is 25MB/s
18:55<Daniel_G>that was an ubuntu torrewnt
18:55<Bdragon>Yeah, really the disk io is gonna be a limitation long before the network interface is, imo
18:57<bd_>Daniel_G: If each linode on a host maxed out their connections, they'd each get about 3.2 megabytes/s
18:58<bd_>(assuming linode 360)
18:58<Bdragon>Assuming the data you want to transfer is in ram already, you can make the other end drink from the firehose :P
18:58<Bdragon>What's REALLY fun is playing with the backend network :D
18:59<Bdragon>(same dc only, nonmetered, IANA private range ips)
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19:05<linbot>New news from forums: Can't get WinSCP working in General Discussion <>
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19:09<bliblok>Any staff available to aktivate an account now? (I friend of mine just registered for a linode)
19:10<@caker>I activated one a few minutes ago...
19:10<bliblok>Is it activated when it shows as a pending referral?
19:11<@caker>yup. You won't get the referral bonus for 90 days
19:11<bliblok>I know.
19:11<bliblok>He just logged in now, thank you for thank you for the swift service.
19:12<KB1PYW>caker; can i get a confirmation about the bandwidth leaving a node? is it capped?
19:13<@caker>KB1PYW: yes, it is, but we can configure it, if need be. Public network interface is limited to 35mbit outgoing. Incoming it's not limited
19:13<charlie>caker: how often do you activate them? like, at what times?
19:13<charlie>i got my first linode pretty late in the evening and i was really surprised that it was activated in like seconds
19:13<@caker>charlie: as soon as a sign up comes in, usually
19:14<charlie>do you get some alert?
19:14<KB1PYW>thanks caker..
19:14<charlie>KB1PYW: do you use ham radio?
19:14<@caker>yeah, we race to active accounts, and keep stats on activation delay, num of signups activated, etc
19:14<KB1PYW>i am an op, yup
19:14<charlie>caker: really, or are you being sarcastic?
19:14<@caker>charlie: no, dead serious
19:14<charlie>if you're being serious, that's pretty cool tbh :P
19:14<KB1PYW>should be
19:14<KB1PYW>ppl don't want to wait
19:14<@caker>our phone system at work announces a new signup
19:15<@caker>our staff irc channel does, as well
19:15*caker is winning
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19:15<charlie>the linode office looks really cool btw, that sucks that you couldn't paint a huge linode logo on the wall :P
19:16<KB1PYW>ok, i'm headed home..
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19:17<samall2>hi all
19:17<charlie>hey samall2
19:17<samall2>is this chat for helping new users ?
19:17<@caker>what's up?
19:17<samall2>i make new order today
19:18<samall2>add all info and now cant login
19:18<samall2>Registered Users
19:19<samall2>-- Your account is currently pending activation -- have this
19:19<@caker>samall2: we sent you an email requesting additional information. Should I resend it?
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19:20<samall2>i make order yaster day server 360 ok whene make new one today new server not work
19:21<@caker>one moment
19:21<samall2>In regards to this order, we will need a signed authorization from the credit cardholder before being able to activate this account. Please copy the credit card holder's license (front and back) and the credit cardused (front and back) and fax to 1-(615)-250-4945 (fax) or email Please complete this within 48 hours, or this signup will becancelled and the charges voided.
19:21<samall2>this is last mail
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19:22<@caker>samall2: correct.
19:22<samall2>whats ?
19:22<@caker>samall2: we require the additional information requested in that email address to activate this account.
19:23<samall2>old one work normall
19:23<charlie>since when can you do bandwith pooling? how can i set that up?
19:23<samall2>new not work
19:23<@caker>charlie: it's been that way since the start. There's nothing you need to do
19:23<bd_>samall2: Did you send that signed authorization?
19:24<samall2>yes i do
19:24<charlie>caker: oh
19:24<samall2>and try rest my password 3 time
19:24<panthar>I'm getting low on bandwidth. Can I pool some of charlie's?
19:24<samall2>i make like old one
19:24*charlie gives panthar some fresh bandwith
19:25<samall2>i have mail now
19:25<samall2>new mail
19:25<panthar>Me too!
19:25<@caker>samall2: yeah, you're good to go
19:26<panthar>It's something about enlarging my penis though :/
19:26<samall2>Linode Order Status200f
19:26<@caker>samall2: try logging in now, please
19:26<samall2>this is fast help
19:26<samall2>many thanx
19:26<DephNet[Paul]>panthar, i keep getting ones to enlarge my breasts :( im sure i cant get much bigger that a LLL :/
19:27<samall2>i want asked somthing
19:27<samall2>is this servers anti for DDOS ?
19:27<@caker>samall2: no. You get DDoSed, I cancel your account
19:28<samall2>no have man
19:28<samall2>asked only
19:28<DephNet[Paul]>but wont the network still be flooded by the DDoS caker?
19:28*panthar is scared when someone is planning on being DDoS attacked
19:28<@caker>DephNet[Paul]: null route
19:29<DephNet[Paul]>caker, good answer :P
19:29<samall2>your server websystem , dns
19:29*caker ddoss ur gatewayz
19:29<samall2>any servers anti DDos
19:29<bd_>samall2: there are four dns servers, they'd have to DDoS all of them...
19:30*panthar smurfs your teardrop ports
19:30*caker bets he has more machines than you
19:30<bd_>caker: personally, or including those belonging to linode-the-company? >.>
19:31<samall2>i have ISP is veery bad tell me not have good firewall
19:31<@caker>bd_: one and the same!
19:31<bd_>caker: I thought legally they weren't one and the same? :)
19:31<samall2>how to anti my servers from this ?
19:32<panthar>samall2: don't get in ircbot fights on warez channels
19:32<DephNet[Paul]>bd_, they are if caker is self employed
19:32<bd_>samall2: If a DDoS is aimed at you specifically, then linode is not the service for you; you'll need something much more expensive to absorb a DDoS and keep going. If it's aimed at someone else, it'll be taken care of, but you might see a few minutes of downtime until the null routes go in.
19:32<bd_>DephNet[Paul]: WEll, if Linode is a LLC, then the assets would be considered seperate, I think?
19:33<bd_>I know caker's the founder, and probably owns most if not all of the company, but the point of the LLC is to keep business assets /and liabilities/ seperate from the person running it, right?
19:33<@caker>LLC is a pass-through to its owners (in my case, just me)
19:34<DephNet[Paul]>bd_, not sure about how it works in the US, but here in the UK if i form a LLC then the creditors can go after the owner for unpaid debts
19:34<bd_>Ah, so we're going by how many servers are included on your personal tax forms, then? :)
19:34<Daniel_G>DephNet[Paul]: are you talking about an LTD?
19:34<bd_>DephNet[Paul]: I'm not really an expert on the subject... what I'd heard is as long as the owner hasn't been obviously negligent or whatever, then they're insulated.
19:34<bd_>But I'm no accountant :)
19:34<DephNet[Paul]>a Ltd or PLC then no, the buck stops with the company, as that is a seperate legal entity
19:35<samall2>i want anti ddosattack
19:35*Battousai purchases the rights to caker's LCD
19:35<bd_>samall2: You're not going to get it for $20/mo
19:35<panthar>samall2: then you need to go with something expensive
19:35<tierra>the details vary from state to state too when it comes to LLCs and S-corps...
19:36<samall2>is this machine add before roter or add in ISP ?
19:36<@caker><-- 60 hours since my last cig *flex*
19:36<@caker>switching to crack.
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19:37<DephNet[Paul]>Daniel_G, no, Ltd's are a step up the ladder, the creditors are unable to go after directors, but for a LLC (fairly new to the UK) the creditors are able to go after the directors
19:37<bd_>samall2: what?
19:37<Daniel_G>i literally do not know what to say to that caker :P
19:37<Palintheus>caker: \o/
19:37<@caker>Palintheus: ^5
19:37*caker gets wasted and logs into Daniel_G's host
19:37<@caker>... as root
19:37<DephNet[Paul]><-- 8 years since last cig *bows*
19:37<Daniel_G>DephNet[Paul]: yeah i know all that, so what do you think is the UK equal of an LLC then?
19:37<Battousai>are there any regular users on the hosts?
19:38<bd_>samall2: I don't know what you're trying to ask...
19:38<Battousai>aside from linodes i would imagine
19:38<@caker>Battousai: one.
19:38*tierra doesn't think that samall2 knows what he wants... that, or his english is very poor
19:38<Peng_>ISTM smoking is popular among people in the hosting industry.
19:38<@caker>besides the normal distro bs
19:38<DephNet[Paul]>Daniel_G, an LLC or simple self employment :P
19:38<@jadoba>caker: so, just a normal wednesday night for you?
19:38<@caker>jadoba: except for the hookers
19:39<@jadoba>oh, no hookers tonight?
19:39<@jadoba>thats a shame
19:39<@caker>nono .. 2 more than usual
19:39<booja>hook.. line.. sinker
19:39<tierra>20 minutes to delete a folder... I've never been very fond of NTFS
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19:41<Daniel_G>ive never been a fan of anything coined by MS
19:41<tierra>I admit, I have... Visual C++ has always been top-notch
19:41<Battousai>nice debugger
19:42<tierra>but other than that, yeah, not much else
19:42<booja>ntfs... you're doing it wrong
19:43<tierra>I'm rebooting, I think some process hooked into explorer has some file lock open or something
19:43<tierra>this folder isn't going anywhere
19:45<@caker>Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for changes to take effect.
19:45<bd_>tierra: process explorer ftw :)
19:46<tierra>I usually use that to debug my own app, heh
19:47<tierra>I've got unlocker installed too, but it never popped anything up
19:48<tierra>totoisesvn doesn't always play nice with repos with 40,000+ files, and certainly hates it when I do anything with my working copy from within Cygwin
19:54<bd_>tierra: tortoisesvn may have a different idea about native line endings than cygwin's version
19:54<bd_>or there may be a large enough version difference that the working copy format was upgraded for one of them I guess
19:55<tierra>na, it's because I can never get cygwin to properly set the right file permissions on NTFS drives, and any file a process in Cygwin writes to gets changed to 000, then tortoise starts complaining
19:56<tierra>(and yes, I played with all the ntea options in Cygwin
19:57<bd_>ah :|
19:57<tierra>but you are right, if I used the command line SVN client in cygwin, it would do checkouts with unix line endings vs tortoise with dos newline endings
19:57<tierra>but I never mix the two
20:00<tierra>I use cygwin for anything that involves stuff like find & replace in all files of this type or whatever (some perl/find magic usually comes into play), or when I need to use the command line patch utility (TortoiseMerge kind of sucks at patching when there's conflicts involved)
20:01<tierra>... or if I just want to use a bash script for something
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20:18*caker haz 64-bit pv-grub
20:21<tjfontaine>can haz moar bitz
20:21<tjfontaine>64bit grub will boot 32bit kernels?
20:21<Battousai>why would you boot a 32bit kernel?
20:21<Battousai>do you hate america?
20:22<tjfontaine>Battousai: clearly I want flash on my linode
20:22<Battousai>don't forget java in firefox
20:22<Battousai>ahem, iceweasel
20:24<tjfontaine>Battousai: you forgot the eula notice when you said firefox
20:24<Battousai>i tried to paste it but my client's buffer doesn't go that far
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20:28<Battousai>better whip out the akill stick
20:28<Battousai>i hear *!*@* is a good target these days
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20:28<Battousai>i guess it's just *@* for akills
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20:29<@caker>Knight Rider: cancel or allow?
20:32<tjfontaine>Battousai: I'll stick with tcpkill for now
20:32<@caker>poor Val
20:32<HoopyCat>Venting prevents explosion.
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20:34<@caker> !!
20:35*tjfontaine cries
20:35<tjfontaine>please to be having new ideas?
20:36<encode>new ideas about what?
20:36<tjfontaine>for movies
20:36<HoopyCat>my god, it's like rule 34ing santa claus, but without the tact and artistic value
20:37<kenichi>poor santa had it coming though
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20:39<@caker>Oxygen supply at 50%
20:39<tjfontaine>can you really drive while staring at a tv in your car, or at the pulsing red light?
20:41<HoopyCat>i dunno, but today's Amazing Driver of the Day was talking on a cellphone and adjusting a nav system at the same time
20:43<tjfontaine>who took the remote?
20:46<HoopyCat>anyway, tomorrow is my late day, so off to beta-test methocarbamol. g'nite folx!
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21:10*exor674 really wants a set lish keys API call <_<
21:10*caker notes
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21:14<tjfontaine>are there new api methods since my initial release?
21:16<@mikegrb>not yet
21:17<tjfontaine>okey dokey smokey
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21:50<daniel>Does linode offer services to work against DDoS attacks? Like hardware firewalls, etc.?
21:53<atourino>I dont think they do... if you get ddos often you get your account cancelled
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21:53<SelfishMan>Three strike rule
21:53<path->they buy rackspace in places that have stuff for that
21:54<path->and they buy big uplinks
21:54<SelfishMan>You get DoSed, You piss linode off, you piss me off, you're out
21:54<atourino>thats selfish man
21:58<bd_>Well, if you want to take a DDoS head-on and keep running... you'll need to pay more than $20/mo :)
21:59<guinea-pig>why... are you planning on being DDoS'd?
21:59<guinea-pig>or just slashdotted?
22:00<Battousai>distributed request of service
22:01<StevenK>I wouldn't call slashdotted a DDoS. It looks like legitimate traffic, for a start.
22:01<@caker>UDP FIRSTPOST.80
22:02<atourino>so caker... you quitting cold turkey or got some sikrit wepon?
22:02<Battousai>crack it seems
22:02<@caker>cold turkey
22:02<@caker>+ crack
22:02<atourino>thats harsh
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22:02<Eman>crack smoking vps host? what is this? tagbridge? :p
22:03<booja>cold crack turkey
22:03<atourino>crack:caker::turbo button:486 PCs
22:03<booja>heh TRUBO BUTAN
22:04<atourino>I think that for the most part that button was a placebo
22:04<path->caker, congrats on taking the big step
22:04<Eman>a correctly connected turbo button set the cpu to run at 4.77mhz
22:04<guinea-pig>it wasn't a turbo button, it was a slow button, labeled backwards
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22:04<@caker>path-: thanks. So far, so good
22:05<Eman>i had a p150 in an older case with a turbo button, i connected it to the fbs(i think) and it would switch between 150/166
22:05<daniel>guinea-pig, dont plan on being DDoS, but it's always a possibility
22:05<atourino>yeah man... congrats on the intiative
22:05*atourino rolls initiative
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22:05<Battousai>how long has it been caker?
22:05<daniel>I want to minimize that affect immediately. Any tutorials or articles that are under any one of your bookmarks? ;)
22:05<Battousai>4 hours?
22:06<@caker>Battousai: 2.5 days :)
22:06<path->no faith in this room, sheesh
22:06<Battousai>you know what they say
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22:06<Battousai>the first 75 years are the hardest
22:06<Eman>daniel: the only way is to not give out accounts on your box that'll get abused :p
22:06<daniel>Eman, so if I'm the only user on my box I'll be cool?
22:06<Eman>you dont get randomly ddosd
22:06<Eman>you'll only get hit if you piss someone off
22:06<daniel>Eman, I'm referring to my low-key private IRC server, that may get big. (potential) :P
22:07<daniel>Meh, there's always script kiddies who think they're cool.
22:07<Eman>13 users isnt getting ddos'd
22:07<daniel>Eman, I know I know haha
22:07*caker thinks ur mom is cool
22:07<Eman>5 if i dont count services
22:07<daniel>wait my server doesnt even have 13 users xD
22:07*atourino thinks caker's mom is hot
22:07<daniel>But yer, eventually that number will get to 200, but I mean anyone can just DDoS yas right?
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22:08<Eman>it depends on who you piss off
22:08<path->not anyone, i don't have a billion node botnet at my disposal
22:08<booja>that you're willing to admit to on irc at any rate
22:08<atourino>you cant really control who gets on your irc server and there will always be fighting among your users...
22:09<path-> k lines, lots of them
22:09<atourino>still gets the traffic
22:09<Eman>gzlines, unreal parses them faster
22:09<daniel>gzlines > klines for unreal? heh
22:09<booja>nobody gets through
22:09<Eman>and really, most people arent going to wase their time ddosing you
22:10<atourino>they have probably bigger people to extort
22:10<Eman>and usually they're smart enough to realize the ircd's owner isnt their target
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22:14<path->"Plumbing: Leaks are present , the water meter is disconnected and the washers are missing." == someone stole all the copper piping from the house
22:16<Eman>detroit real estate listings?
22:16<path->no, i saw some comment on some news article about $1 HUD homes and did a search in my area
22:17<Eman>you can buy an entire block in detroit for $50
22:17<path->apparently if HUD can't sell a house at normal prices for more than 6 months, they put it up for $1
22:18<path->and i guess that attributes to some of the financial problems
22:18<path->kinda weird how all this came up right before elections
22:18<Eman>i'd buy an entire block and build myself a underground bunker or something
22:18<booja>hud homes?
22:18<path->i've wondered about that.. buying some wearhouse type place and putting some strong garage doors on it
22:19<path->housing urban development
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22:19<path->look, they use cold fusion :)
22:19<Eman>holy shit
22:20<Eman>30 pages of houses for under $1000 in detroit
22:20<path->there are five for my area
22:20<path->i know there are more crappy houses
22:20<path->they just aren't owned by hud
22:21<path->knock down the house and keep the empty lot
22:22<Eman>ten grand and i could buy half the city
22:22<booja>I want hud in .au :(
22:22<path->then you can have financial instability as well!
22:23<daniel>What do I need installed in order to have PHP able to send mail (dont need to receive mail, I plan on using GMail App for that)
22:23<booja>I was reading a report that said there are 750 houses for rent in sydney at the moment
22:23<booja>agents are getting death threats
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22:24<path->daniel: you'd still need to install a MTA to send mail out
22:24<path->unless you configure php to use gmail's smtp server
22:24<path->mail transfer agent
22:24<Eman>we got a letter this week that says our property value has dropped 16grand in the last 3 years...
22:24<path->like postfix, sendmail
22:24<daniel>or postfix
22:24<Eman>well kept late 50s neighbourhood too :?
22:25<daniel>yer, what would you recommend me installing?
22:25<path->or postfix
22:25<path->debian or ubuntu?
22:25<daniel>pfft, who uses bloated ubuntu? :P
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22:26<daniel>I mean as a server.. ;)
22:26<booja>ubuntu?? people still use that?!?
22:26<path->it's not bloated if you don't install everything and the server version comes lean
22:26<StevenK>How is Ubuntu bloated?
22:26<erikh>all's good with my ticket now, i'll closei t
22:26<erikh>caker: thanks for the help, btw.
22:26<path->anyhow, i think the debuntu packages ask if you just want to use it to send mail
22:27<daniel>path-, it's asking me if I want to setup for "Internet Site" or a "smarthost". Which do you think?
22:27<daniel>smarthost i sfor sending mail..
22:27<daniel>but I may want to be able to receive in the future..
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22:28<path->i think you can just edit the config file later
22:28<path->there are lots of postfix howtos out there
22:29<daniel>yup, reading one now, thanks
22:30<G>hey since when did we have bandwidth pooling?
22:30<booja>bandwidth pooing?
22:31<bd_>G: I think it's been an unofficial policy for ages
22:31<G>on the front page: "Bandwidth pooling between Linodes under an account "
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22:34*Pryon takes a dip in the bandwidth pool
22:35<booja>come on in, the waters fine?
22:36<Pryon>It's deep, anyway. I've used about 1% this month and I think it's my busiest month yet, bandwidth-wise
22:36<Peng_>Yeah, bandwidth pooling has been around forever. It's probably just more prominent now because Slicehost added it.
22:38<daniel>Does anyone recommend anything better than munin for site statistics?
22:38<daniel>err more than just site MySQL, mail, stats, etc.
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22:40<ReSync>Hello, how come when i added a extra ip to my package now i cant connect ssh to my old ip
22:40<ReSync>now it only lets me connect to the new one and not my first one
22:40<ReSync>all i did was buy it
22:40<ReSync>added extra
22:41<G>ReSync: you need to configure it
22:41<ReSync>didnt know i had to configure it
22:41<path->you should configure both statically instead of using dhcp
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22:43<erikh>so, interesting question folks
22:44<path->HA! one of the reasons older banks have such large lobbies is so customers don't flow out on the street. people might think it's a bank run.
22:45<erikh>eh, nevermind
22:45<erikh>there's nothing wrong with this box, i'm bringing it back up
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22:48<daniel>Anyone here have success form going to a LAMP server to a nginx server?
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22:50<ReSync>after i set up the configuration
22:50<ReSync>how do i start it?
22:50<ReSync>like i changed /etc/network/interfaces
22:50<ReSync>just save and exit?
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22:56<Adam12>daniel: Any reason why you are considering this exactly? nginx is nice and fast, but drop in replacement for apache, it is not.
22:56<daniel>Adam12, why wouldn't it be a replacement?
22:57<daniel>And, I'm justlooking for the best bang for my buck. :) If a little 256slicehost can take care of digg, why couldnt my monster 360 do the same ;)
22:57<Adam12>daniel: Well, when I say drop in, I mean configurations aren't interchangable (such as if you were switching from apache to litespeed)
22:57<Adam12>If you are configuring everything by hand, then yes, nginx goes like a bat out of hell and is definitely worth it
22:59<daniel>Well yeah, I'd be doing all of the switching, but meh I guess it isnt that hard, I would just remove php5 and all of it's packages plus apache2, keep mysql and all of the files then add nginx + php5 fcgi
23:00<Adam12>It's not bad. I don't run much PHP so I've only dabbled with fcgi, but it proxies to mongrel great!
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23:10<rainkid>i have a runaway sql query that is causing the disk to thrash. can't su to kill the process due to not having available io_tokens.
23:10<rainkid>could prefer not to restart the linode. is there anyway else i can kill this process run-amok?
23:11<bd_>you could try a lish login, but that requires IO as well (particularly if it's swapping to death it's unlikely to work)
23:11<bd_>there are sysrq commands to kill off most of the processes in the system, but they're likely to leave your system in a state requiring a reboot anyway...
23:11<rainkid>it's been swapping to death the past 10 minutes =P
23:12<bd_>right, you'll probably need to reboot it :|
23:12<rainkid>hope that doesnt corrupt my db =(
23:12<bd_>killing the process would have the same effect :)
23:12<bd_>try this first though:
23:12<bd_>sysrq s
23:12<bd_>sysrq u
23:12<bd_>sysrq s
23:12<bd_>wait abit
23:12<bd_>that'll force the filesystem into read-only mode
23:12<bd_>and flush all changes to disk
23:12<rainkid>im not root
23:12<bd_>rainkid: from lish
23:13<rainkid>let me give it a shot
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23:18<@tasaro>rainkid: i just boosted your tokens -- can you kill it now?
23:19<SelfishMan>Really Stupid Elephants In Ugly Boxers
23:19<rainkid>let me kill it now
23:20<rainkid>killed. thank you tasaro.
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23:21<bd_>note that if you did that sysrq your filesystem is now readonly and you'll need a mount -o remount,rw / to make it read-write. Also if you have multiple filesystems some may have been unmounted...
23:21<rainkid>i'll keep note of that for next time (hope there wont be a next time)
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23:26<darkk>can I run openvpn on linode ?
23:26<SelfishMan>darkk: Yes. Works well too
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23:30<darkk>Does Linode 540 have 540Mb of RAM or is it ram+swap? Do linodes have any swap?
23:30<Palintheus>if you configure them to have swap they will
23:30<Peng_>darkk: 540 MB of RAM. You can use some of your disk space for swap if you want to.
23:31<tjfontaine>probably should
23:31<Battousai>tj and his fud
23:31<Battousai>don't you know that swap causes thrashing?
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23:31<tjfontaine>the memory listed for each node is the amount of actual host memory allocated to your node (no overselling of the host)
23:31<tjfontaine>Battousai: doh how can you ruin my plans so
23:32<bd_>Battousai: the linux memory manager likes to have some swap, even if it's not much
23:32<Battousai>i wasn't being serious
23:32<avongauss>-really- likes to have...
23:32<darkk>is my disk space bare block device or is it just part of filesystem ?
23:32<Battousai>damn near needs to have
23:33<tjfontaine>darkk: block devices
23:33<bd_>LVM volume
23:33<bd_>avongauss: smugmug has swap on /ramdisks/, just to make it happy
23:33<tjfontaine>as far as your node is concerned it's a block device
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23:34<darkk>and if it's LVM - it's even better.
23:34<tjfontaine>you don't have interaction with the host beyond the web configuration, you don't need to worry about such things beyond knowing it's hardware RAID1 + BBU
23:34<bd_>darkk: LVM on the implementation level. You don't see that inside your node.
23:35<avongauss>bd_: I believe it - I've made the mistake of being stubborn and not giving it any before... still hurts
23:35<bd_>It just looks like a straight block dev
23:35<tjfontaine>(you can if you choose to make them PVs)
23:35<bd_>tjfontaine: sure, I guess.
23:35<bd_>snapshotting's about the only reason to do so though
23:35<bd_>and apparently that's under development for the LPM..
23:36<tjfontaine>telling him about lvm only serves to confuse his questions, all he needed to know was that they appear as block devices to his install(s)
23:36<SelfishMan>Is there some trick to getting bind to forward queries to rbldnsd?
23:37<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: reboot 3 time
23:37<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: tried that, no luck
23:38<darkk>does host server provide any statistics about resource (RAM and CPU) usage or do I have to install some monitoring system myself ?
23:38<Peng_>darkk: You can see CPU, network and I/O in the dashboard.
23:38<tjfontaine>you can see 24hr and 30day reports of what peng_ said
23:38<bd_>darkk: CPU usage yes, it doesn't know what your node's doing with RAM
23:39<darkk>yep, I thought that XEN does not know if RAM pages are commited but wanted to be sure :)
23:39<bd_>basically it hands your node a chunk of RAM at boot, and then doesn't touch it until it's shut down
23:39<bd_>right :)
23:39<bd_>xen has some baloon drivers to hand memory back to the system - but linode doesn't use that feature. You get all your ram at boot, and keep it.
23:39<darkk>anyway, thanks everyone, seems, I've found wonderful hosing provider with great community :)
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23:47<Caydel>hi all - anyone awake?
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23:47<`James>Hi guys.
23:48<Peng_>Caydel: Perhaps
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23:49<Caydel>I have a domain set up on my linode, and it is working fine. I want to use a subdomain, however. I've created an apache virtual host for it... however, do I need to add anything to the DNS record to get it working?
23:49<Peng_>Caydel: Yes
23:49<Peng_>Caydel: Add an A or CNAME record for it
23:50<tierra>you can use a wildcard if you don't have other subdomains under other IP addresses
23:50<Caydel>ok. A CNAME would be the correct choice, since the subdomain is on the same IP, correct?
23:51<tierra>A/AAAA records I think are the standard
23:51<Caydel>tierra: really? how would that be entered?
23:51<Peng_>Personally, I'd use a CNAME, but people usually use A.
23:51<Caydel>what's the advantage of using a CNAME?
23:51<Caydel>and how do I set it up with a wildcard?
23:52<tierra>for wildcard, just add "*" with the IP to your record (I don't know if that works with CNAME)
23:54<Caydel>ok, thanks!
23:54<Caydel>set it up... let's see if it works
23:56<Caydel>does it usually take some time for the DNS to work? I added the * A record... but no cigar yet
23:56<Caydel>still can't connect to the server, apparently
23:56<Palintheus>yes it has to propogate to the name server you are using
23:56<tierra>depends on your DNS server your computer is requesting it from, and what your timeout settings are
23:57<tierra>uh, what was linbot's command...
23:57<tierra>Palintheus: thanks
23:57<linbot>tierra: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
23:58<Caydel>hmmm... this subdomain should not be cached anywhere. The main domain was moved over several days ago, and is working fine. this subdomain has never been requested before
23:58<tierra>you can use dig to make sure it's right
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23:59<tierra>are you using Linode's dns btw? it takes up to 15 minutes to propage your settings to Linode's DNS servers
23:59<Caydel>yes, I am
23:59<Caydel>that's probably the root of the delay then
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