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---Logopened Fri Sep 26 00:00:02 2008
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00:33<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:33<avongauss>Speaking of the cake and crew, any particular reason they went to a no ops listed mode?
00:33<avongauss>yes mike, thank you.
00:33<SelfishMan>no ops listed mode?
00:34<SelfishMan>I see four of them (no caker)
00:34<avongauss>I was afraid of that, bip must be messed up then...
00:34<avongauss>let me bounch it, brb.
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00:35<avongauss>that's weird and better now...
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01:03<andy>oh look mikegrb
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02:31<SelfishMan>Adding a column to a table with 5 million rows == epic suckage
02:31<bob2>quick, schedule the downtime to start 5 minutes ago
02:31<SelfishMan>No downtime as it isn't a customer node.
02:31<SelfishMan>The funny thing is, the webpage still shows data just fine except a little slow
02:31<bob2>transactions ftw
02:31<SelfishMan>innodb serves a purpose sometimes
02:31*SelfishMan ponders the irony of the failure to load
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05:08<linbot>New news from forums: Can I have for linux-2.6.26-linode13 kernel? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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05:10<BOON>any body?
05:14<BOON>how can i access the phpmyadmin?
05:14<BOON>i logged in to the panel
05:14<BOON>but no place we can manage db
05:15<SelfishMan>This is an unmanaged service
05:15<SelfishMan>Which means that if you want phpmyadmin then you need to install phpmyadmin on your node yourself
05:15<BOON>but can we export db?
05:16<BOON>use command line??
05:16<Karnaugh>you're lost
05:16<SelfishMan>Again, this is an unmanaged service so you can manage everything on your node that you have installed
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05:26<SelfishMan> hard is it to understand that unmanaged server means you basically get a piece of (virtual) hardware and an OS install CD and told "have fun"
05:26<bliblok>Depends on whether or not you're a moron.
05:27<G>Put it this way, it's DIY server admin :)
05:27<SelfishMan>The funny thing is that I seem to see those types of inquiries at this time of day more than any other time
05:28<SelfishMan>Middle of the night for the US
05:28<G>afternoon in asia is the key one
05:29<bliblok>Let's put it this way then: People have a different level of intelligense and understanding of how webhosting works. For some understanding the concept of VPSs is simple, for some it takes a few days and a lot of silly questions.
05:30<SelfishMan>G: I prefer the longer description since the thought of installing Linux scares the crap out of many people
05:30<SelfishMan>and if you can't handle that then you aren't ready to manage the system yet
05:30*scorche wonders where BubbleWrap went off to
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05:31<SelfishMan>I can't even remember his latest nick
05:31<scorche>i think it was SpaceHobo
05:33<SelfishMan>So, 2 hours and 3 minutes after I started adding a new column to a 5 million row table it finally finished. 30 seconds later I realized that I created it as char(31) instead of char(32).
05:33<SelfishMan>I want to cry
05:35*SelfishMan wonders if the last character in an md5 hash is really *that* important
05:36<SelfishMan>Oh well. I guess I'll just have to wait for this transaction to finish. Again.
05:37<bliblok>SelfishMan: If you just use it to compare to another hash, comparing the first 31 chars should work fine.
05:38<SelfishMan>I was debating that but figure I should just do it right
05:40<SelfishMan>China will run out of IPv4 address space in 838 days but says the world will run out in 769 days. I think someone is hording addresses in China!
05:41<Dave>not really, we have a bunch of IPs that are unasigned
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05:41<Dave>but we are getting more customers, that will be assigned them
05:42<Dave>we will probably have a load by the time the unallocated space runs out
05:42<bliblok>China has an evolving economi, with an extreme amount of people that will be using the internet as their economy and society evolve.
05:43<bliblok>SpaceHobo: So will IPv6.
05:43<Dave>I have a /29 that I dont really need :)
05:43<SelfishMan>IPv6 has already failed
05:43<SelfishMan>Your /29 isn't going to help the world at all
05:44<Dave>no, but it will help 7 other people
05:44<SelfishMan>Meanwhile, I still hold a couple /23s and I think a /20
05:45<SelfishMan>If IPv4 will be exhausted well within three years then there is no chance for IPv6 to be fully deployed and functional by then.
05:46<Dave>unused blocks will be reclaimed before then
05:46<SelfishMan>Sweet! I'm the lowest latency IPv6 tunnel on one of the NY endpoints
05:47<Dave>it is just delaying the inevitable though
05:47<Dave>either that or we just nat, and nat, and nat...
05:47<bliblok>IPv6 is a far better solution then NAT will ever be.
05:48<Dave>we can always nat more
05:48<Dave>its an joke at work :(
05:49<Dave>speaking of which, I need to relocate to there
05:49<SelfishMan>I honestly think those first 16 or so /8s that were just given out to the big companies aren't needed anymore. I know for a fact that a couple of them are just using the /8 space for systems that are being NATed
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06:07<HoopyCat>how is linnode formed?
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07:11<Peng_>SelfishMan: You own multiple /23s and a /20? Why?
07:13*Peng_ borrows a /32.
07:14<Dave>oh, Im managing a /14 and a /19 as of next week
07:14<Dave>how exciting
07:15<Dave>I work for an ISP
07:15<Dave>I didnt reilise our address space was that big
07:15<Peng_>I don't know how large any of those are. Is there a cheat sheet somewhere?
07:16<Dave>a /14 is 262,144
07:17<Peng_>Oh, good point. I found a table on Wikipedia th -- yeah, that one.
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07:42<Peng_>I was the last person to talk, and then the channel went back to being dead.
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07:43<Alucard>you're arrested for murder
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07:45<atourino>the voices made me do it
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08:46<rapboy21>naber sýnýz mýllet
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09:16<goodwill1120>will one day linode consider providing windows hosting? :)
09:17<goodwill1120>as I know Xen can run Windows Hosting via VT support
09:23<Levia>You're probably not making friends, goodwill1120 :P
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09:24<Dave>neither are you Levia
09:24<Levia>apparently not
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09:32<Karnaugh>Xen doesn't run windows properly
09:32<Karnaugh>HVM rapes resources
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10:02<darkk>isn't it strange to have windows support at LInuxNODE ? :)
10:06<Guest1728>Good morning
10:08<Guest1728>Depends on what part of the World I guess :)
10:09<Guest1728>Have a question about moving files from and to Linode via command line scp or sftp ssh
10:10<Guest1728>ssh is working fine
10:11<Guest1728>Can login via Putty or SFTP client
10:11<Guest1728>However, when trying to use scp or sftp from the command line they do not work
10:11<Guest1728>Specifically, with sftp
10:11<Guest1728>Get the following error:
10:12<Guest1728>Connection refused Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
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10:12<caker>Guest1728: what host are you using to connect to?
10:13<Guest1728>It doesn't seem to matter
10:13<caker>no, I mean, what is the host you're connecting to..
10:13<Guest1728>The name or type?
10:14<caker>the hostname.
10:14<Guest1728>It's also a Linux host
10:14*caker bonks
10:14<Palintheus>are you using your linode's IP to ssh to?
10:14-!-mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ
10:14<atourino>are you connecting to your linode directly or are you connecting to the host that hosts your linode
10:14<atourino>thats what he means
10:15<Guest1728>I login to my Linode
10:15<Guest1728>via Putty ssh
10:15<Guest1728>Then try to transfer files to or from the other machine via sftp on the command line
10:15<@caker>ah, and then try to scp elsewhere... and that's what's failing?
10:15<@caker>I'd blame the other machine then :)
10:15<Palintheus>putty doesn't support scp natively does it?
10:16*caker bonks Palintheus
10:16<Guest1728>Isn't Putty essentially just providing a terminal window into the command line on the machine?
10:16*caker TSRs SpaceHobo
10:17<Guest1728>You know, all these years I've known of scp and WinSCP. Completely overlooked or forgot about pscp
10:18<@jadoba>Guest1728: can you SSH to the other machine from your linode?
10:19<Guest1728>It produces the same error
10:19<@jadoba>OK, this might blow your mind, but... from within your linode, can you try to ssh into LISH on your linode's host?
10:19<@jadoba>if it gives the same error then we know it is an issue within your linode
10:19<Guest1728>That is definitely recursive :)
10:19*atourino loves recursiveness
10:20<@jadoba>but you get a console on the guest
10:20<atourino>but if he then ssh's into his linode from the host... then it would close the loop
10:20<@jadoba>i tried this with screen
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10:20<Guest1728>Working on...
10:21<@jadoba>i forget how, but it involved two screens, a couple windows on each screen and 'screen -xr'
10:21<@jadoba>Guest1728: did it work?
10:21<Guest1728>May have just found something; checking into...
10:24<Guest1728>Even though the HWADDR address line was removed from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, which had prevented the console from launching, the same problem is back now.
10:25<Guest1728>I wanted to try the console first
10:25<Guest1728>But currently it will not launch
10:25<@jadoba>oh, hey phil!
10:26<Guest1728>Hey Tom!
10:26<@jadoba>but, were you able to successfully ssh to your host from your linode?
10:27<Guest1728>After that HWADDR address line was removed from etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 the console (and other things) worked normally, but now the ame problem is back, which seems odd?
10:27<Guest1728>Trying that next
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10:31<Guest1728>BTW, if the nope was because it should have been a "Hey Jim!" You, Tom, and Mike were on the ticket; sorry :)
10:31<@jadoba>yep heh
10:34<Guest1728>Ok. Just try to Linode to Linode suggestion; same error message
10:34<Guest1728>From within the Linode, from Putty
10:35<Guest1728>Actually, hold on.
10:35<Guest1728>Let me try again.
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10:37<@jadoba>check the oputput of 'ifconfig', then check your routing with 'route -n' and finally, check your firewall rulesets with 'iptables -L -vn'
10:38<Guest1728>Tried again; same result
10:38<@jadoba>can you connect out at all?
10:38<atourino>can you issue a wget
10:38<Guest1728>iptables was set using the script provided in the wiki; also, iptables isn't blocking ssh, because I can login via Putty or any FSTP clinet
10:39<@jadoba>but it might be preventing outbound new connections
10:39<Guest1728>wget works
10:39<@jadoba>wait, what wiki?
10:39<Guest1728>Seems to have something to do with ssh
10:39<Guest1728>Linode's wiki
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10:42<Guest1728>Just tried wget; works fine
10:45<@jadoba>well, I don't know what else to tell you, this is an odd error
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10:46<Guest1728>I just tried sfto on one of our other servers
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10:46<Guest1728>Exactly the same command, same syntax, works fine.
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10:46<Guest1728>Here's what's interesting...
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10:47<Guest1728>I also just tried it on a SliceHost VPS; same error
10:47<Guest1728>Is it possible that it has something to do with the Xen setup?
10:47<@caker>very very doubtful
10:48<Guest1728>The server I just tried it on where sftp worked is not a Xen machine, just straight Red Hat
10:48<Guest1728>Let me try it from my Red Hat machine into Linode
10:48<@caker>Guest1728: <-- paste the output of this stuff there: ifconfig; route -n; iptables -L -n
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10:51<Guest1728>From my non-Xen Red Hat machine into Linode sftp just seems to produce a no response; no error, but no prompts or text either.
10:51<Guest1728>Grabbing that config info. for you.
10:55<Guest1728>I don't have to use any special command to past multiline info. into IRC here, just paste it, correct?
10:55<@caker>do NOT paste in here
10:55<@caker>paste into
10:55<@caker>and then provide us the link
10:56<Guest1728>Just FYI, I had x'd out any info. that shouldn't be public...
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10:58*caker taps foot
10:58*tjfontaine sings jeopardy themesong
10:58<@jadoba>itym whistles
10:58<cruxeternus>It has words????
10:58*jadoba humms jaws theme music
10:59<tjfontaine>you don't have to have words to do solfeggio
10:59*cruxeternus sings the Munckin Song from the Wizard of Oz.
11:00<tjfontaine>I was all wtf munckin
11:00<cruxeternus>Oh, sorry. My ba.
11:00<Guest1728>I'm already logged into my Linode manager, but when I go to do the paste it is asking for login info., and the login info. for the Linode Manager is not being accepted.
11:00<@jadoba>username no, password spam
11:01<@caker>the user/pass was in the dialog box, btw :)
11:01<Guest1728>Still running on too little sleep :)
11:01<Guest1728>I saw it too :)
11:01<@jadoba>caker: i think we ought to put it as default text in the text box so that people actually read it from time to time :)
11:02<@jadoba>and then they have to delete it, so they know it is there...
11:02<@caker><blink><font size="+9999999" color="red">USER: no, PASSWORD: spam</font></blink>
11:02<@jadoba>that might just work
11:03<@caker>Guest1728: you ok?
11:04<Guest1728>I'm here, and ok :)
11:04<@caker>and the rest?
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11:04*cruxeternus quickly makes 6 more pastes.
11:04<Guest1728>Grabbing and pasting now.
11:04<@caker>Guest1728: here's the easy way to determine if it's your firewall: iptables -F; then try to sftp
11:05<Guest1728>FYI, already tried that
11:05<Guest1728>I'll try again just for good measure
11:05<@jadoba>caker: that would not work if the input policy is to drop
11:05<Guest1728>Will hold off then
11:07<@jadoba>Guest1728: just do this: 'ifconfig; iptables -L -n; route -n', copy it and paste it as another pastebin
11:08<Guest1728>Was just about to paste the rest
11:08<Guest1728>but can do it that way as well
11:09<purrdeta>quick #linode poll: G-U-I or gooey?
11:10<@mikegrb>ur mom is gooey
11:10*jadoba gooies caker
11:10<@caker>Guest1728 is teh slow
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11:10*caker moves on
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11:15<Guest1728>ifconfig wasn't in my path
11:15<Guest1728>past coming up.
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11:19<Guest1728>Ok. Admittedly a long time for a simple config paste, but it has been updated.
11:19<StevenK>Guest1728: Nope, ifconfig is in /sbin
11:20<Guest1728>I know; it's already been pasted
11:20<Dave>you need to be root to run ifconfig
11:21<Guest1728>Already logged in as root; thanks :) Already run and pasted, just slow getting it done.
11:21<StevenK>Dave: No you don't
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11:23<Fried>you only need root to make changes with ifconfig
11:23<@jadoba>i see the trouble, perchance
11:23<@jadoba>in your pastebin, look at lines 70 and 88
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11:24<praetorian>4/z 38
11:24<Dave>dave@mars:~$ ifconfig
11:24<Dave>bash: ifconfig: command not found
11:24<@jadoba>run it as root...
11:24<Dave>I know
11:24<Dave>11:20 < Dave> you need to be root to run ifconfig
11:24<@caker>what's a root?
11:24<Guest1728>I see it
11:25<Dave>caker: plants have them
11:25<Guest1728>Dumb question...
11:25<@jadoba>caker: also, people in England have them
11:25<Dave>I dont have a root
11:25<Guest1728>Why does that not affect Putty or a FSTP client?
11:25<@jadoba>i meant 'men' in england have them
11:25<Dave>I'm a man, and I'm in England, and I have no root
11:27<Guest1728>I was just speaking with a vendor in the UK yesterday, did not ask him about root, though...
11:27<Dave>I've been known to vend upon occasion
11:27<@jadoba>my mistake about lines 70 and 88... forgot which pastebin i was looking at...
11:28<Guest1728>No problem
11:28<Guest1728>Also, I was just about to say, those lines (70 and 88) in my pastebin would apply to incoming and not outgoing connections, I think...
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11:30<Guest1728>Jadoba: Still pretty good coincidence, even if you were looking in the wrong paste bin, the lines matched :)
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11:35<jacmkno>Hello, in, do they preinstall a linux distribution?
11:35<jacmkno>when you buy a new vps?
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11:36<anderiv>you'll need to deploy one of several pre-made images they make available.
11:36<anderiv>or, you have the option of rolling your own distro if you'd prefer.
11:37<Peng_>Deploying an image takes about 2 clicks, so it's pretty much equivalent to preinstalled. You just get to choose which distro.
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11:38<jacmkno>But the image deployment is done through a web tool from
11:38<DephNet[Paul]>is it worth buying Zend Studio?
11:38<Peng_>jacmkno: Yes
11:39<Dave>DephNet[Paul]: no
11:39<Guest1728>jadoba: Update... Earlier I said that things were better, but still not quite normal when logging into the Linode via sftp from my Red Hat machine. Actually, I forgot that I was logged into that machine as a non-root user. So when I added the user@ to the login it worked fine. I'm actually logged into the linode via sftp right now. So it is definitely an outgoing, as opposed to incoming problem. Sorry I didn't get that right the first t
11:39<DephNet[Paul]>Dave, why not?
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11:39<Dave>DephNet[Paul]: there are a ton of free php ide's out there
11:40<Dave>and who the hell needs an ide for php anyway?
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11:40<DephNet[Paul]>Dave, that work on CentOS? and that are not a pain to install?
11:40<Dave>eclipse has a php plugin
11:41<Dave>which is what I use
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11:45<jacmkno>After I buy the VPS, how much time does it pass before I can actually use IT?
11:45<@caker>jacmkno: about 10 seconds
11:46<jacmkno>that's good service....
11:46<atourino>caker is faster than his mom
11:50<jkwood>Which I've heard is necessary in Arkansas.
11:51*jkwood waves at all his southern neighbors
11:51*cruxeternus necessaries jkwood
11:52<Guest1728>jadoba: Any thoughts?
11:52<atourino>bada bing!
11:57<@jadoba>Guest1728: for one thing, port 22 is not being allowed out, it seems
11:57<Guest1728>Right, I x'd out the actual port
11:57<Guest1728>It's the one with all the x's
11:57<Guest1728>It is enabled
11:58<@jadoba>right, but output rules are for new connections going out _from_ the linode
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12:00<Guest1728>Even so, it is set to accept
12:00<Guest1728>The actual port, not 22
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12:03<@jadoba>add this rule before the "kill all other output" rule in order to allow your linode to reach other IP addresses on port 22:
12:03<@jadoba>iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
12:04<@jadoba>after adding that to your firewall script, run it
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12:13<Isvara>Anyone know much about how iptables works in dom0?
12:14<Isvara>With respect to traffic to/from domUs, that is.
12:15<Guest1728>jadoba: That did the trick!
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12:15<@jadoba>Isvara: ... why?
12:15<@jadoba>Guest1728: k
12:16<Guest1728>Makes perfect sense now that you've pointed it out, but I guess my mind was thinking only from an incoming connections standpoint.
12:16<@caker>Guest1728: iptables -F <--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
12:16<Guest1728>Thanks again, and hope that you have a great rest of afternoon and weekend :)
12:17<Guest1728>Thanks, caker; I did that :)
12:17<@caker>jadoba: ^5
12:17<@jadoba>caker: <3
12:17<@jadoba>Guest1728: thanks, you too
12:17*atourino feels caker's Homicidal Tendencies Index raising
12:18<@jadoba>atourino: i told him that he can kill me all he wants, as long as he doesnt pick up a cigarette
12:19<atourino>nice! In other news, Linode is looking to hire a replacement for jadoba
12:19<atourino>must be willing to die for the company
12:19<@tasaro>yes, so caker can kill more than once before getting to mikegrb and I
12:19<Isvara>jadoba: Why what?
12:19<@jadoba>atourino: theyve been doing that since my first week here
12:21<atourino>tasaro: you still have restelow as buffer in case jadoba pushes up the daisies
12:24<daniel>Can someone help me out? For some reason my disk I/O went through the roof :|
12:24<daniel>I'm not updating, compiling, etc.
12:24<daniel>Just running LAMP + UnrealIrcd
12:25<avongauss>who wouldn't want a cigarrette after commiting a nice satisfying homicide?
12:26<tjfontaine>who do I get to kill?
12:26<avongauss>what are your options?
12:26<@jadoba>daniel: it corresponds to your CPU graph
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12:26<avongauss>then you have a bit of a drive or flight ahead of you, how about I just meet you at the Irish pub then?
12:26<daniel>Right, my CPU jumped
12:26<atourino>daniel: did you issue a reboot? it seems it occurs at a 4am... do you have a scheduled script on cron?
12:27<tjfontaine>avongauss: done and done
12:27<daniel>atourino, I do have a scheduled cron that runs hourly
12:27<daniel>no reboot
12:27<@jadoba>dont need to reboot
12:27<daniel>the cront hat runs hourly is just a simple PHP script doing two simple Queries
12:27<@jadoba>updatedb is disabled by default, iirc?
12:27<daniel>my cpu usage spiked to 4.0% during the same time
12:28<daniel>updatedb? How would I know?
12:28<tjfontaine>no that's what it is
12:28<@jadoba>locate foo
12:28<atourino>i didnt mean to issue a reboot... i just wanted to know if he had rebooted at that time :)
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12:40<daniel>li41-43:/home/ircd/unreal/conf# locate updatedb
12:40<daniel>locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory
12:40<Isvara>Anyone know how to find out which vif a domU is using?
12:43<Dave>daniel: try updatedb first?
12:44<tjfontaine>no, if the file isn't there, then the it's likely not the cron job that's runnign every night
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12:48<Dave>perhaps he has a cron job that deletes it afterwards?
12:49<atourino>do you have any cronjobs that update your installed packages?
12:50*atourino is going out on a limb here
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12:51<@mikegrb>how about ls /etc/cron.daily; cat /etc/crontab; cron -l root
12:51<atourino>btw follow Adm. Ackbar on twitter. He's funny.
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12:58<daniel>atourino, no
12:58<daniel>It just does a php script that performs two SQL queries
12:59<daniel>updatedb just seems to...hang
12:59<path->Successful nicotine dependency recovery is in maintaining the motivations, dreams and patience needed to allow: (1) the physical mind time to re-sensitize itself and re-adjust to functioning normally again; (2) the subconscious mind time to encounter and re-condition the bulk of its nicotine feeding cues that triggered brief anxiety episodes in an attempt to gain compliance; and (3) the conscious mind time to either allow years of defensive dependency rationaliz
12:59<path->that sure is wordy
13:14*Peng_ ansers for fun
13:14<Peng_>answers* :(
13:19<path->when they ask if my linux servers are used at work, home, or both; where does linode fit in?
13:19<Peng_>I said home.
13:20<path->for hardware type, i'm going to put :)
13:20<path->virtual isn't one of the choices
13:28<aaronpk>but is? :P
13:28<path->other: ___________
13:29<avongauss>sounds more like personal or business use.
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14:03<grifix>Hello Everybody. I have a quick cuestion is there any api currently in linode to do dynamic dns update. I have seen references about this in the forum but no solutions. Thanks In advance
14:04<@caker>grifix: the perl bindings have an example script which does exactly that
14:05<grifix>caker much apreciated for the info :D
14:05<nicktastic>Bandwidth usage is calculated as inbound + outbound?
14:05<@caker>nicktastic: y
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14:09*tjfontaine beats the shit out of itunes
14:10<@caker>"Shall I reorder your entire library according to the incorrect ID3 tags" -- why, yes .. thank you iTunes!
14:11<tierra>"Shall I cache all your busted ID3 info for file you removed from the library, but re-added with fixed tags" ...
14:12<tierra>I hate iTunes, but my mac has a closer headphone jack and my headphones have a short cord, heh
14:12<tjfontaine>"shall I not play the recently imported mp3s, despite vlc and quicktime playing them just fine?"
14:12<tjfontaine>itunes 8 has been an improvement for me
14:12*nicktastic enjoys xmms and foobar2000.
14:13<nicktastic>And of course easytag.
14:13<tierra>I've spent most of my time in Pandora recently though
14:13<tjfontaine> > pandora :)
14:13<tierra>but I still jump back to itunes
14:14<linbot>New news from forums: Looking for general web site security advice in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <>
14:14<tierra>meh, my Pandora is fairly well trained with I think more than 30 stations now, so I get a good variety
14:15<tierra> is good when I want to listen to a specific song or really want to check out a new artist
14:16<tjfontaine> is really good as long as you're keeping up to date with your listening preferences, so the itunes plugin works great for that
14:16<tierra>I have that installed
14:16<tjfontaine>I use the iphone app while on the road
14:17<tierra> <- working on 28,800 plays now ;)
14:18<@jadoba>tjfontaine: it got b0rked on the switch to new firmware :(
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14:19<tjfontaine>jadoba: really?
14:19<@jadoba>it did on mine
14:20<@jadoba>doesnt play a thing
14:20<tjfontaine>it's always been picky
14:20<@jadoba>it flat-out will not play a single song, just dies
14:21<tjfontaine>mine doesn't die
14:21<tjfontaine>have you tried reinstalling it?
14:21<path->did you reboot
14:21<path->three times?
14:22<@jadoba>no, only two
14:23<@jadoba>i should try three?
14:34<nicktastic>Is the bandwidth counter reset on the first of every month?
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14:55<tjfontaine>tierra: I'm only half that many plays
14:55<m0unds>i'm at...1 7th that many
14:55<m0unds>but then again, i deleted my 4 year old acct awhile back and then started a new one
14:57<linbot>New news from forums: Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS local mirrors in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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15:16<Eman>caker you around?
15:17<Eman>i got a reply from supermicro
15:17<tjfontaine>what did they say
15:17<Eman>Hi Eric,
15:17<Eman>There is no replacement for SMC-0001 IPMI card. Thank you.
15:19<Eman>so now im all 'wtf'
15:19<@caker>well, my cards say: BMC2 rev 1.01
15:20<@caker>did you ask them what works in the MB you have?
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15:42<HoopyCat>noon on saturday seems like a nice relaxed time for an event to start, until you run things backwards and realize it means waking up before 4am
15:43<tjfontaine>bad HoopyCat
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18:07<mrd>Does anyone have Adobe's Flash Player plug-in installed on a Linux machine that is willing to test something for me?
18:08<Adam12>mrd: I'll test. Ubuntu x64.
18:08<mrd>Adam12: Private message okay?
18:09<Adam12>mrd: Yes
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18:13<kupesoft>What's the best hassle-free PHP forum software (in your humble opinions)?
18:13<kupesoft>the more lightweight, the better.
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18:16<mrd>Adam12: Thanks!
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18:24<DephNet[Paul]>kupesoft, i use SMF from Simple Machines
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18:28<kupesoft>DephNet[Paul]: Thanks for the suggestion, but the license agreement is too ugly.
18:28<DephNet[Paul]>kupesoft, how so?
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18:32<atourino>punbb or fluxbb?
18:33<Adam12>Nice to see Linode sponsoring Rails Rumble again :)
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18:35<kupesoft>atourino: Perfect but not file attachments. I guess I'll just phpBB...
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19:10<pleia2>stupid cat
19:10<@mikegrb>hi kittey
19:10<pleia2>he's trying to eat my dinner
19:10<pleia2>he wanted to tell #linode (he even changed the channel!)
19:10<@mikegrb>no, gus is on the stairs
19:11<pleia2>SpaceHobo: oh! clever
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19:51<weezy[blinkenshell]>is dallas having problems?
19:51<Ttech>weezy[blinkenshell], not sure...
19:51<weezy[blinkenshell]>dallas64 to be exact
19:51<Ttech>meff is having problems.
19:53<weezy[blinkenshell]>it keeps internitently having connection issues
19:54<weezy[blinkenshell]>last 10 mins or so
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19:55<mario>hi all
19:56<mario>anybody willing to help a total newbie?
19:56<charlie>mario: sure
19:56<Adam12>mario: shoot
19:56<weezy[blinkenshell]>mario: whats up
19:56*atourino hazes the n00b
19:56<weezy[blinkenshell]>give me t3h rootorz
19:56<mario>thank you, first of all
19:57<mario>I was trying to follow the guide
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19:57<weezy[blinkenshell]>just use copy paste not virtualmin
19:58<mario>got stuck where it says pico /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
19:58<weezy[blinkenshell]>on debian?
19:58<mario>debian, right
19:58<mario>[then put in the correct IP addresses like this]
19:58<charlie>mario: what's the problem with it?
19:58<weezy[blinkenshell]>do "ls /etc/apache2/"
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19:59<mario>wonder which IP adrdresses is referring to
19:59<weezy[blinkenshell]>that file wont exist its somewhere close but not there
19:59<charlie>weezy[blinkenshell]: err, no, he's right
19:59<charlie>in debian, /etc/apache2/sites-enable/ should exist in a default apache2 install
19:59<JDLSpeedy>is it just me, or is dallas haveing frequent connection issues with one of there routes?
19:59<weezy[blinkenshell]>JDLSpeedy: me too
20:00<weezy[blinkenshell]>charlie: iirc there isnt a folder in debian, just a text file
20:00<charlie>weezy[blinkenshell]: hmm?
20:00<weezy[blinkenshell]>its /etc/apache2/somefile
20:01<JDLSpeedy>trying to get some data for the Linode guys
20:01<weezy[blinkenshell]>not /etc/apache2/somefolder/somefile
20:01<pleia2>weezy[blinkenshell]: no, he's right
20:01<charlie>it's /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default, i'm 100% sure
20:02<mario>i can ope and edit this file
20:02<weezy[blinkenshell]>as root?
20:02<mario>but i dont kno how exactly
20:03<mario>dont understand what the guide is suggesting
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20:03<Adam12>mario: I think the line below that is what they want you to add
20:03<Adam12>the NameVirtualHost one
20:03<Adam12>since the line after that is ctrl-x which will exit you from pico
20:04<Adam12>*:80 will match all requests on all ips to port 80. Should be fine.
20:04<mario>I have to substitute NameVirtualHost *:80 with something, this what i guessed
20:04<Adam12>What's in there now? Can you put it on a pastie?
20:06<mario>when i open it, first line is NameVirtualHost *:80 as expected from the guide
20:06<Adam12>I'd leave as is and continue.
20:06<Adam12>Is there maybe a <VirtualHost> entry below it ?
20:07<mario>yes, <VirtualHost *>
20:08<mario>if i leave it as it is
20:08<mario>and follow the guide
20:08<mario>once I restart Apache
20:08<mario>I get
20:08<mario>errors and warns
20:09<SelfishMan>Your default site config should include NameVirtualHost * then the next line should be <VirtualHost *> followed by all the default config
20:09<SelfishMan>each additional site should NOT include NameVirtualHost * and should start with just <VirtualHost *>
20:11<mario>seems it is like that
20:11<mario>let me try to paste the errors i get
20:12<mario>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Fri Sep 26 20:11:49 2008] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *443 -- ignoring!
20:12<weezy[blinkenshell]>you need a colon
20:12<mario>[Fri Sep 26 20:11:49 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
20:13<mario> waiting [Fri Sep 26 20:11:53 2008] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *443 -- ignoring!
20:13<mario>[Fri Sep 26 20:11:54 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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20:16<mario>ok, issue *:443 solved
20:16<mario>still I get the warning
20:16<eld101>anyone know what the issue was with ewr yesterday evening?
20:16<mario>[Fri Sep 26 20:11:54 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
20:17<SelfishMan>Are you using <VirtualHost *> or <VirtualHost *:80>?
20:17<SelfishMan>The virtual host setting needs to be the same as the NameVritualHost one
20:17<mario>now *>, i'll try *:80>
20:18<charlie>does anyone know of an unrarring tool for ubuntu
20:18<SelfishMan>charlie: unrar
20:18<weezy[blinkenshell]>apt-get install unrar
20:18<bd_>p7zip-rar works too!
20:19<mario>ty selfish, now no warnings
20:19<charlie>Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
20:19<charlie>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
20:19<charlie>is only available from another source
20:19<bd_>charlie: make sure multiverse is enabled
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20:19<charlie>oh wait, i'm in debian, sorry
20:20<bd_>non-free the
20:21<charlie>thanks :-)
20:23<mario>wow, i'm in php admnin! not too bad for the first night! (Italian time) Ty all
20:24<weezy[blinkenshell]>is it over https?
20:24*atourino should be out drinking
20:27<eld101>any one know what happened to newark last night?
20:27<bd_>eld101: DDoS yes
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20:28*charlie may follow that https phpmyadmin guide
20:28<eld101>figured..... I could access but so slow I gave up
20:28<eld101>as it a linode, or something else in the datacenter?
20:29<charlie>I'm fairly certain the target was my Linode.
20:29<weezy[blinkenshell]>were you being naughty?
20:29<eld101>who did u piss off lol
20:29<charlie>eld101: the people that broke into my linode earlier in the day
20:30<eld101>how did they get in?>
20:30<eld101>I only ask cause ive been working on my security
20:30<weezy[blinkenshell]>threw a brick at his firewall and it put a whole
20:30<eld101>and im a newb
20:30<charlie>i'm not sure, probably a week password somewhere
20:31<atourino>use month passwords... they are stronger
20:31<eld101>do you allow root login via ssh?
20:31<SelfishMan>Fail2Ban and DenyHost people. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
20:31<Nivex><3 denyhosts
20:31<eld101>ive heard of deny hosts.....
20:32<eld101>easy install for a newb?
20:32<eld101>on CentOS
20:32<weezy[blinkenshell]>fail2ban probably isnt hard
20:32<weezy[blinkenshell]>wasnt for me, but im not on centos
20:33<charlie>eld101: no
20:33<charlie>ah great, my new laptop power cable just broke.
20:33<eld101>charlie: what does it involve?
20:34<charlie>eld101: that was in response to the root logins over ssh
20:36<eld101>charlie: ahhh, good :)
20:36<eld101>whats better, denyhosts or fail2ban ?
20:37<weezy[blinkenshell]>fail2ban imo
20:37<encode>whats better, chicken or beef
20:37<encode>different ways of doing the same thing
20:37<eld101>clearly beef :)
20:38<eld101>currently my firewall consists of just a few rules that only allow the ports I use, ie http and ssh
20:38<eld101>I want to start to beef that up a bit though
20:41<atourino>eld101: unless your firewall starts bridging networks that probably all you need really
20:42<eld101>The only thing I want to add is something to block ass the brute forcing to ssh
20:42<eld101>ass = all
20:43<Adam12>eld101: Change the port ;)
20:43<eld101>thought about that too....
20:43<eld101>I guess 99% of those wont actually scan for the ports, they just assume 22
20:44<eld101>thats probably the easiest things to do then
20:44<mario>here i am again... guide says: upload via SFTP to your base directory /: using cyberduck, that is Mac OS software
20:44<Adam12>mario: What's your OS ?
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20:44<mario>Ubuntu 8.04
20:45<mario>my client
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20:45<Adam12>or sftp from a console
20:45<mario>what you would suggest? ah, ok
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20:45<atourino>winscp as well
20:46<weezy[blinkenshell]>scp from terminal
20:47<mario>will try and let you know
20:49*atourino fail2ban's caker
20:52<LiquidAtom>Does anyone know if Wordpress uses any other ports other than 80? Because when I turn IPTables on, it fails to load, though everything else on my webserver loads.
20:53<LiquidAtom>Uses localhost.
20:53<weezy[blinkenshell]>i is t, ya
20:53<Nivex>Could you elaborate on "fails to load"
20:53<bd_>LiquidAtom: replace your DROP and REJECT targets with LOG targets and see what it's doing?
20:54<LiquidAtom>Nivex, It doesnt load, it just hangs, doesn't go anywhere, I cant refresh, load a different page..
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20:54<Nivex>hmm... I'd say apache's error log would be the best first place to start then
20:54<atourino>do you use any form of spam filter? maybe askimet?
20:55<LiquidAtom>bd_, I dont have any DROP or REJECT entries (yet)
20:55<LiquidAtom>And atourino, no, I havent set that up.
20:55<bd_>LiquidAtom: add a -j LOG at the bottom then I guess?
20:55<LiquidAtom>just that on its own?
20:56<bd_>well, I don't know how you're writing the rules
20:56<bd_>iptables -A whatever -j LOG probably
20:56<bd_>do you have an accept rule for everything over loopback?
20:58<LiquidAtom>Its working now.
20:58<atourino>good job bd_! awesome mind powers
20:58<LiquidAtom>It wasn't working this afternoon before I stopped the service O.o
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21:05<mario>it is ok from console the command: scp sourcefile username@host:directory/destinationfile ?
21:05<mario>seems scp is not recognized
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21:20<Lustra>Cannot find glib2 development libraries, aborting. (Install libglib2-dev?) - when i try it says package not found
21:22<Lustra>is it libglib2.0-data o_O
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21:49<Lustra>im trying to wget a folder, but im getting: Cannot write to `bitlbee-1.2.3.tar.gz' (Permission denied). after i use wget, and it doesnt downlaod.
21:50<Lustra>nvm works now
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