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---Logopened Wed Oct 22 00:00:13 2008
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02:14<gpd>I am trying to rescue my myth box HDD using ddrescue -- but it says rescued: 662159 kB after 12 hours out of a 500G drive - should I give up?
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02:15<Guest931>gpd, is what is on there important?
02:15<SelfishMan>What brand and make of drive?
02:15<gpd>i can live without it - but am i right that it would take 500 days to fix?
02:15<gpd>it was a WD Caviar
02:16<SelfishMan>any clicking or strange sounds? Or is it just really slow to recover from?
02:16<SelfishMan>Also, what ddrescue options did you use?
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02:16<gpd>it says status: { DRDY ERR } and I/O errors with error UNC
02:16<gpd>constantly spitting out to syslog with that error
02:17<SelfishMan>That will happen. Only errors that ddrescue spits out to the console are important
02:17<gpd>i didn't specify any options to ddrescue
02:17<gpd>just went with the defaults -- is there something that might speed things up?
02:17<SelfishMan>Ah. That would probably help you actually
02:18<SelfishMan>-d will probably help
02:18<SelfishMan>and -A
02:19<gpd>there seems to be dd_rescue and ddrescue from two packages in ubuntu... must investigate
02:19<SelfishMan>-A is the important one. It will try a reasonable number of times to read the data and then writes a zero if it fails and continues. Without that action it will attempt to read that block an ungodly number of times
02:19<SelfishMan>use dd_rescue
02:19<SelfishMan>ddrescue is gddrescue. dd_rescue is good, gddrescue pisses me off
02:20<gpd>SelfishMan: -d ? don't see that option in man file
02:20<SelfishMan>Also, WD drives have issues with vibration when they fail so place it inverted on a well padded but solid service
02:20<SelfishMan>"-d/D use O_DIRECT for input/output (def=no),"
02:20<SelfishMan>dd_rescue only option I think
02:21<SelfishMan>apt-get install ddrescue will install the good one
02:21<SelfishMan>Hmm...not in the man file but shows when you run dd_rescue --help
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02:22<gpd>ok - got it - thanks
02:23<gpd>SelfishMan: why inverted?
02:23<SelfishMan>no problem
02:24<SelfishMan>gpd: Never did figure out why but it was one of the big things passed around and it does seem to work better. I never worked for WD though so I really can't say why.
02:24<SelfishMan>Next time buy a Seagate as they are far more reliable
02:24<gpd>ok -- will give it a shot - nothing to lose at this point! :) Freezer next...
02:24<SelfishMan>Then again, I'm biased ;-P
02:25<SelfishMan>Meh...freezer "trick" is just bad
02:25<gpd>good -- glad you said that! :)
02:26<SelfishMan>Hard drives stabilize at *higher* temperatures, not lower
02:26<SelfishMan>The freezer trick is really only good for drives where the head never actuates and stays in the parked position
02:28<gpd>as always there is some truth to the myth. thank you again! will go and set up the disk in the inverted position and try again.
02:28<SelfishMan>No problem. It's what I do and I get paid well to do it
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02:39<gpd> sudo dd_rescue -l /home/gpd/dd_rescue.log -d -A /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda1
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02:39<gpd>dd_rescue: (warning): O_DIRECT requires hardbs of at least 4096!
02:39<gpd>dd_rescue: (warning): We don't handle misalignment of last block w/ O_DIRECT!
02:39<gpd>SelfishMan: are those anything to worry about?
02:40<SelfishMan>remove the -d option then
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02:40<SelfishMan>-A is the important one, -d will just speed it up in certain situations
02:40<gpd>ok -- it starts well -- but then freezes after a few seconds -- :(
02:41<SelfishMan>See how it is doing after an hour. Failed drives can take days to pull data from even weeks if you really want to wait
02:41<gpd>Bad block: 238848
02:41<SelfishMan>You should know in the next few hours though
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02:42<gpd>hmm.. getting a stream of Input/output errors and Bad blocks. Balls. -- Oh well -- will let it run. Thanks again.
02:43<SelfishMan>I honestly think that -A should be default for dd_rescue
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02:51<Nicho>last tow weeks i run out of my visa card so linode inactivate my account. When I activate it again by click on Charge. But i see my destribution
02:52<SelfishMan>Eh?
02:52<Nicho>sorry, i didn't see distribution
02:52<Nicho>it just give me an option to add linode account. I don't understand
02:53<Nicho>anybody helps me?
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02:54<SelfishMan>Open a support ticket
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02:55<SelfishMan>I know the terms of service state that they account will be suspended if it is 10 days past due. I don't know how long they keep it around after that before removing it.
02:56<Peng_>I think removing bad accounts is a manual process.
02:56<Peng_>But what do I know?
02:56<SelfishMan>I'm sure it is manual knowing the staff. They are pretty careful and smart about what they do
03:00<Nicho>oh, all of my distributions have been remove.
03:00<Nicho>:(
03:00<Nicho>why?
03:00<SelfishMan>Don't know, you need to contact support.
03:01<SelfishMan>My guess is that your account was too far past due. I could be very wrong about that though.
03:01<Nicho>I think i lasted 2 weeks.
03:01<SelfishMan>Anyone have an automatic power transfer switch they want to sell of cheap? Something for a racK preferrably?!?
03:02<gpd>SelfishMan: Is there a way to try rescuing another area of the disk -- it seems to be bad in this area - or is it likely that the whole disk is equally screwed?
03:03<gpd>Currently my avg.rate is 90kB/s -- ie. it could take YEARS to rescue this drive! ;)
03:03<SelfishMan>Hard to say. Best bet is to just let it run unless you are hearing the click of death
03:03<SelfishMan>Odds are there are just parts of the disk that are bad but a watched pot never boils
03:04<gpd>just listed to it up close -- there are 'chirps' every few seconds...
03:04<SelfishMan>That's pretty normal sound. You would know the click of death as it will make a WD drive commit suicide by jumping off the table
03:05<gpd>ok -- not that! :)
03:05<SelfishMan>Yeah, it's loud and makes the drive actually move
03:06<gpd>shame the info doesn't give you a % complete... now i have to go and learn how to calculate it from blocks / ipos numbers that i don't understand
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03:09<gpd>hmm... 0.05% done after 30 minutes --- I should give up and forget about this data. focus on the fact that my REAL data is how only on ONE drive! :O
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03:13<internat1>!dns exception.our-lan.com
03:13<linbot>internat1: 65.49.60.90
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03:16<internat1>hmms
03:16<internat1>how do you fix the locales issue again?
03:16<internat1>where it says they dont exist or isnt set or something?
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03:20<internat1>and wow.. thats the fastest ive rerolled a linode :/
03:20<internat1>li30-90:~# uptime
03:20<internat1>03:20:44 up 8 min, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.37, 0.18
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03:41<internat1>woot
03:41<internat1>build script does most of what its meant to do..
03:41<SelfishMan>eh?
03:41<internat1>i had my new linode for a total of 8 minutes before it got rerolled
03:41<@mikegrb>lolz
03:41<encode>lol
03:41<fo0bar>lolz
03:41<SelfishMan>is that good?
03:41<internat1>well
03:41<internat1>impartial really
03:42<internat1>testing a build script that i put together when etch was the main one
03:42<internat1>tested it against lenny, and there was a few errors that need to be fixed
03:42<internat1>that and i havnt had time to build my own versions of proftpd/apache and postfix
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03:44<internat1>but regardless, exception.our-lan.com was born
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04:37<DephNet[Paul]>!dns shop.dephnet.net
04:37<linbot>DephNet[Paul]: 209.123.234.41
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05:36<markvandenborre>do you guys offer a plan that is usable as a vpn file server?
05:36<markvandenborre>we have a high quantity of small audio samples, with a quite low traffic quantity
05:36<markvandenborre>but linode doesn't seem to offer high quantities of storage
05:36<markvandenborre>even optional
05:36<markvandenborre>is there something I'm overlooking
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05:38<markvandenborre>6 Gb...
05:38<markvandenborre>I'm looking at 300 Gb...
05:38<encode>markvandenborre: submit a ticket to linode support asking them your question
05:38<markvandenborre>will do, thx
05:38<encode>they might be able to help you out
05:38<DephNet[Paul]>you can buy multiple 6GiB's
05:39<markvandenborre>SpaceHobo: don't think so either
05:39<encode>not currently, no
05:39<markvandenborre>P.S. I'm a really happy customer already for stuff that does fit my needs
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06:49<pi_>hi there
06:49<pi_>is it possible to have a CNAME record - tv.example.com point to justin.tv/abc
06:49<bob2>no
06:50<bob2>you can issue a HTTP recdirect, though (if it is HTTP you care about)
06:50<ph^_>you must either cloak or forward
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06:50<pi_>okay, thanks
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06:57<nicho>Anybody experience of losing all distributions after re-activate linode account? There's no reply for my tickets (wait along time...)
06:58<internat1>umm
06:58<internat1>define re-activate
06:58<internat1>and how long of down time was there
06:58<internat1>and only your intial ticket pages the admins, not any replies, and im doubting there awake yet
06:58<nicho>2 weeks suspend
06:59<nicho>I don't know what to do : (
07:00<nicho>anybody help pls
07:00<nicho>!
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07:02<internat1>wait for them to wake up?
07:02<internat1>although, you should have backups of all your stuff..
07:03<nicho>hmmmm, can u tell me how to do the backup?
07:07<internat1>no no.. asin you should have your own copies
07:07<internat1>linode dont do backups
07:08<nicho>internal1: thanks
07:09<internat1>although for the record im not an admin.. so id still speak to them
07:10<nicho>internal1: u know every company that provide online backup?
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07:55<linbot>New news from forums: Traffic between linodes counted in data limit? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3616>
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09:59<amok>what's a good way / tool to eliminate load from brute force SSH attempts?
10:00<bliblok>I use this approach: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/block_brute_force_attacks_with_iptables/
10:00<JWright>move your SSH port way up high
10:01<JWright>best answer: disable password authentication
10:02<amok>ok, lotsa good options
10:02<amok>thanks
10:02<JWright>a combination of all the above will serve you well
10:04<amok>yeah, was confused why my server was at high load with no mem/cpu/disk activity
10:05<JWright>truth be told, just moving your ssh port will eliminated 95% of brute force attempts
10:05<amok>just got that done, seems to be working
10:06<anderiv>JWright: agreed. I changed mine to a high port about a year ago and haven't had a single attempt since.
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10:08<Tallo>DenyHosts is my preferred way of dealing with SSH brute force attempts
10:09<Bdragon>(another nice trick is port knocking)
10:09<path->i just block everything but my home and work computer
10:09<path->s
10:12<nicktastic>Port-knocking is a nifty solution
10:14<Isvara>It's a cumbersome hack.
10:14<nicktastic>Cumbersome, yes. Hack, I disagree.
10:15<nicktastic>I said nifty, not practical. ;)
10:16<Isvara>You think a long-lived process parsing your logs and then futzing with your firewall isn't a hack?
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10:17<nicktastic>Like fail2ban or denyhosts?
10:17<Isvara>Yeah
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10:17<Bdragon>The implementation is not the idea
10:17<nicktastic>Bdragon: Aye
10:17<Isvara>The idea is a hack, too.
10:17<nicktastic>Fortunately, that's a matter of opinion.
10:18<Isvara>Why is that fortunate?
10:18<Bdragon>Yeah, but so are most of the TCP/IP improvements in the last X years. :P
10:18<Bdragon>(anyway....)
10:18<path->cause opinions are like assholes
10:18<path->everyone has one
10:18<A-KO>nobody's going to hack your ssh IMO
10:18<Bdragon>heh
10:19<A-KO>unless you're a dummy dumb and use stupid passwords
10:19<Bdragon>s/stupid/
10:19<Bdragon>s/stupid// rather
10:20<nicktastic>Also, most brute force attempts appear to be trying to crack root, so disabling root logins (which you should do anyway) goes a long way towards solving the problem.
10:20<MotoHoss>speaking of which(ssl and ssh and stuff)... which paste site do folks here prefer? I have a question.
10:20<Bdragon>p.linode.com is a good start :P
10:20<nicktastic>I use pastebin.ca out of habit
10:21<MotoHoss>k
10:21<Isvara>MotoHoss: Interesting segue!
10:21<A-KO>Keep in mind that nobody's trying to "brute force" your SSH when you see attempts on it in the log. Most of what you'll see are random internet bots and scans.
10:21<Isvara>I tried pastebin.ca, but it confused people when it put ', eh!' on the end of every line.
10:22<amok>my system graphs showed a constant network activity for over 16 hours straight
10:22<amok>looks good now though
10:22<amok>and my btmp file was over 150MBs
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10:24<MotoHoss>there it is --> http://paste.linode.com/1378
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10:25<Bdragon>Forget to set up bar's authorized_keys properly?
10:25<A-KO>that's what it sounds like to me
10:25<nicktastic>Isvara: wakka wakka :P
10:25<Bdragon>Or possibly forgetting to set ownership and permissions properly?
10:26<Bdragon>Need to chmod g=,o= authorized_keys
10:26<JWright>you needed to pastebin that?
10:26<MotoHoss>i thinks it's the auth keys deal. I got confused after I got foo working.. and I am not sure how to correct it. (i don't remember exactly what I did...
10:27<Isvara>The sshd man page tells you everything you need to do.
10:27<Bdragon>assuming public key authentication, you make an authorized_keys file in the user's ~/.ssh folder, and you put the appropriate public keys in it, one per line
10:27<MotoHoss>JWright: yep. good questions get good answers. I did that more for me than anyone else.
10:28<Bdragon>said file MUST have no permission bits set for group and other
10:28<jvaughan>am i right in thinking there was previously a newark <-> savvis routing issue that had been sort of fixed?
10:30<jvaughan>only i'm having some routing problems from my newark vps
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10:36<MotoHoss>excactly, i didn't setup the authorized keys properly for bar. thanks.
10:36<MotoHoss>s/excactly/exactly
10:37<Isvara>sed fail
10:38<zeroday>who is voting for who in the US elections this year?
10:39<A-KO>I
10:39<purrdeta>`I am voting for the best candidate
10:41<Isvara>I would vote for Barack Steve Obama if I was there.
10:42<tjfontaine>yay dailyshow jokes
10:43<@tasaro>speaking of voting, register to vote for the Rails Rumble --> http://railsrumble.com/login
10:45<Isvara>tjfontaine: Daily Show joke?
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10:46<path->http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml
10:46<Isvara>That's doesn't help much...
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10:57<JWright>I'm writing-in Mitt Romney
10:57<A-KO>write-ins don't count unless they're listed on the ballot as a valid write-in
10:57<A-KO>otherwise you might as well not even go
10:58<JWright>As far as the gov't is concerned, that may be true... as far as my opinions go, I don't really care, I just can't vote for either of the two options
11:02<Pryon>Note that there are more than two options on the ballot
11:03<JWright>Note the "might as well not even go" comment
11:03<JWright>I'm "throwing my vote away" just as much with an invalid write-in as I am with a 3rd party vote
11:03<Isvara>Note that Bush will cancel the election anyway
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11:30<tjfontaine>pfft
11:30<tjfontaine>you think your vote counts that way?
11:30<tjfontaine>it only counts if you wait in a line for hours on the first tuesday after the first monday
11:31<A-KO>hell I'm going to take off of work early, or go in late, to do it.
11:31<A-KO>not sure which yet
11:32<JWright>so, you don't want your vote to count?
11:32<path->http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/early.voting/?iref=mpstoryview
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11:34<path->"Posted Oct 30, 2008 11:10 AM"
11:34<path->awesome
11:34<path->i get to know the future
11:34<JWright>wooahhhh...
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11:37<linbot>New news from forums: Curses based apps showing garbage in putty in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3617>
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11:48<linbot>New news from forums: Curses based apps showing garbage in putty [FIXED] in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3617>
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13:25<tjfontaine>!cyborg cunt
13:25<linbot>tjfontaine: C.U.N.T.: Cybernetic Unit Normally for Troubleshooting
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13:35<JasonF>:-(
13:36<det>when "top" shows 100% CPU usage, what does that mean in terms of 1 of the machines cores ?
13:38<path->i think so
13:38<path->if you hit '1', it'll show the percentages for each core
13:40<det>I mean, 100% CPU use = what % of CPU use of a core?
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13:41<path->i think 100% cpu use == 25% on four cores
13:42<det>You're just guessing :-)
13:42<path->yes
13:42<jimcooncat>Can't Understand Normal Thinking
13:43<path->it could be 20% 20% %20 %40
13:44<scott>det: did you hit 1 in top yet?
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13:44<det>I don't know what that means
13:45<Isvara>det: He might be guessing, but he's right!
13:45<path->run top, press the 1 key
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13:46<det>Thanks.
13:46<det>I guess my questions is whether or not those numbers are real core use, or use of "my reserved slice" or something
13:46<Isvara>It's unfortunately that top seems to vary between Linux distributions.
13:46<path-> <1> :Toggle_Single/Separate_Cpu_States -- On/Off
13:46<path-> This command affects how the ’t’ command’s Cpu States portion is shown. Although this toggle exists pri‐
13:46<path-> marily to serve massively-parallel SMP machines, it is not restricted to solely SMP environments.
13:46<RyanG>single multiprocessor?
13:47<path->single processor with multiple cores?
13:47<RyanG>single mother procreating?
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13:47*SelfishMan procreates with ur mom
13:47<Isvara>path-: Perhaps it means it works also for multiprocessor architectures that are non-symmetric
13:47-!-paul is now known as Guest989
13:47<path->we have some software that is licensed for 1-2 cpu's and they don't care how many cores are in each cpu. which is a very good thing cause the prices get much higher for 3-4 cpus
13:48<RyanG>...
13:48<path->yea, i have no idea
13:48<RyanG>why would software change price
13:48<Bdragon>ooh kay...
13:48<RyanG>the more threads it needs to run
13:48<path->cause it's not free
13:48<RyanG>:
13:48<RyanG>:|
13:48<SelfishMan>path-: Does the software actually check how many physical CPUs there are or does it run on all of them and they only *charge* for the extras?
13:48<RyanG>uh, dynamic multithreading
13:48<Isvara>RyanG: Welcome to the Enterprise world!
13:48<anderiv>huh - did you guys see that Slicehost has been acquired by Rackspace?
13:48<RyanG>has been standard
13:49<RyanG>in the gaming / software world
13:49<path->i think it checks.. i dunno
13:49<RyanG>for some time
13:49<path->uses license enablers
13:49<anderiv>I wonder what (if any) affect that'll have on Linode's business.
13:49<path->wow
13:49<SelfishMan>My guess is a wave of people leaving slicehost very soon when rackspace screws it up
13:49<Isvara>RyanG: And per-core licensing has been standard in the enterprise world for many years
13:49<anderiv>SelfishMan: that was my guess.
13:49<path->is rackspace known to screw up?
13:49<RyanG>still doesnt make sens
13:49<RyanG>e
13:49<RyanG>theyre just ripping people off
13:50<SelfishMan>When they screw up they *really* screw up
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13:50<Isvara>RyanG: Surprise!
13:50<SelfishMan>Yes, there pricing is really high
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13:50<SelfishMan>s/there/their/
13:50<Isvara>Er
13:50<path->RyanG: any way to make software licensing more complicated... those enterprise companies have more bean counters and lawyers than developers
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13:51<Isvara>Ooh, Slicehost have 'slice' as a trademark.
13:51<path->(tm)
13:51<scott>so everyone that says slice here should get sued?
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13:52<Isvara>I'm not sure how they can claim that. I don't think trademark fields are narrow enough for them to do so, and "slice" in terms of CPU allocation is a common term.
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13:52<Bdragon>Man, that last drive was a wicked slice
13:52<anderiv>Bdragon: hah
13:52<@tasaro>i think they lost that claim
13:52<Bdragon>vars.myarray.slice();
13:52<Bdragon>Add a slice of lemon.
13:52<Isvara>tasaro: That hasn't stopped them putting it on the bottom of their homepage.
13:53<Bdragon>Also, there's a difference between a trade mark and a registered trade mark...
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13:54<SelfishMan>There are multiple trademarks on the word "slice"
13:54<Isvara>In the same domain?
13:54<Bdragon>Slice is a brand of iced tea, isn't it?
13:54<SelfishMan>Soda. Orange soda.
13:54<path->i guess thats why pepsi has sierra mist now
13:54<jimcooncat>lemon-lime
13:54<path->:)
13:54<Bdragon>oh right, soda
13:54<SelfishMan>http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=787uip.3.1
13:54<anderiv>SelfishMan: it's pop. Everyone knows that. :-)
13:54<path->not here
13:55<A-KO>http://kensingtonvictoria.com/blog/2008/10/22/this-is-why-you-dont-friend-your-boss-on-facebook/
13:55<SelfishMan>anderiv: exactly, hence why I say "soda"
13:55<Bdragon>gotta love TESS
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13:55<Isvara>LIVE
13:55<anderiv>Yah - even here in MN where "pop" is *the* term, I refuse to say it.
13:56<SelfishMan>I do the opposite of what the people around me expect and so many get pissed off and angry about it
13:56<nicktastic>Yay, iptables --flush locked up my linode.
13:56<SelfishMan>"creek" is "crick", "bag" is "beg", etc
13:57<path->better than calling it tonic
13:57<SelfishMan>nicktastic: I did that the other night. It will respond just fine under LISH but you broke the network connection
13:57*path- has cousins near boston
13:57<Bdragon>Heh, tonic
13:57<SelfishMan>Tonic? That only aplies if there is quinine in it
13:57<nicktastic>SelfishMan: No, it didn't respond under lish, nor the ajax console. It _locked up_. ;)
13:57<Isvara>nicktastic: It's not dead, it's just resting.
13:57<SelfishMan>You broke it.
13:57<Bdragon>or the foodservice term "Soft drink"
13:58<nicktastic>Uh huh
13:58<path->tonic is a northeastern thing.. but more northeast than nyc
13:58<SelfishMan>"Soft drink" is relavent
13:58<jimcooncat>path -- a northeastern thing?
13:58<path->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_drink
13:58<SelfishMan>"Soft drink" means the syrup, water and CO2 are mixed in the line
13:58<path->minerals!
13:59<Bdragon>Yeah, soft drink is also called "fountain pop" locally :P
13:59<path->i only know people in the boston area and they call it that
13:59<Bdragon>Much better than bottled imo
13:59<path->hrm
13:59<SelfishMan>Bdragon++
13:59<path->unless the fountain isn't set correctly
13:59<SelfishMan>Not as harsh as the bottled stuff
14:00*Bdragon spent about a year working at a local Taco John's (owned by best friend's parents)
14:00<jimcooncat>oh, boston. that's southwest of me. we say soda in maine.
14:00<Bdragon>Heh, yeah
14:00<anderiv>Taco Johns++
14:00<SelfishMan>Ew!
14:00<Bdragon>Calibrating the system
14:00<anderiv>there's not many of them around here, unfortunately.
14:00<Isvara>I wish you could get Tacos here.
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14:00<SelfishMan>Taco Johns = -10;
14:00<path->we only have taco smell
14:00<Bdragon>Heh, it's funny when the concentrate gets empty and causes a vacuum in the line
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14:00<Bdragon>the co2 goes nuts :P
14:01*Isvara goes home to not eat tacos
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14:01<jimcooncat>we need commander taco
14:01<Bdragon>and cowboy neal?
14:01<anderiv>jimcooncat: Cmdr Taco
14:01<jimcooncat>anderiv: thank you for the correction
14:01<anderiv>jimcooncat: :-)
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14:02<anderiv>heh - the exodus has begun: http://twitter.com/AmazingSyco/statuses/970833984
14:02<Bdragon>Canton's TJ is so cool.. Too small to exist, but we got grandfathered into the system :D
14:02<erikh>heh
14:03<Bdragon>http://www.tacojohnscantonsd.com/remodel/index.html
14:03*Bdragon should go give harlan a ding around the earhole for not using thumbnails
14:04<anderiv>!avail
14:04<linbot>anderiv: Linode360 - 29, Linode540 - 24, Linode720 - 24, Linode1080 - 7, Linode1440 - 5, Linode2880 - 3
14:04<eTiger13>can anyone point to instructions on how to setup virtual hosting with pureftp?
14:04*anderiv makes mental note to watch !avail over the next few days
14:04*scott stabs tasaro
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14:05<path->i wonder if they'll rename to CloudHost
14:05<KB1PYW>how did linode start??? who started it?
14:05<eTiger13>!avail he
14:05<linbot>eTiger13: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter.
14:05<eTiger13>!avail fr
14:05<linbot>eTiger13: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter.
14:05<eTiger13>!avail fremont
14:05<linbot>eTiger13: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter.
14:05<erikh>!avail-he
14:05<linbot>erikh: Fremont360 - 35, Fremont540 - 2, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
14:05<erikh>:)
14:06<Bdragon>(The remodel was mandated due to the Taco Seven program)
14:06<erikh>Bdragon: is that an elite fighting force of milk and tomato-base condiments?
14:06<path->KB1PYW: there was a wikipedia article.. but they are asses
14:06<eTiger13>how can i get my node transferred to fremont?
14:06<anderiv>eTiger13: support ticket.
14:06<path->KB1PYW: basically caker started it
14:06<anderiv>eTiger13: staff will queue up the migration and then you just hit the "migrate" button in LPM
14:07<Bdragon>erikh: Taco Seven is a unified style across the board for TJ restaraunts
14:07<erikh>damn
14:07<erikh>i had my hopes up too.
14:08<Bdragon>Not much on the interwebs about it, but there's a brief mention at the bottom of http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2005/07/25/story4.html
14:08<tjfontaine>stop fake hilighting me!
14:08<Bdragon>hahahahaha
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14:09<Bdragon>hey, it's aletha! http://www.tacojohnscantonsd.com/remodel/0164.JPG
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14:10<scott>tjf: tickle
14:10<KB1PYW>path-: thanks...
14:11<tjfontaine>Bdragon: see you summoned TJF now
14:11<TJF>stranger danger
14:11*mikegrb codes some more on TJF bot
14:11<TJF>i'm scared to ask
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14:12<scott>14:08 < tjfontaine> stop fake hilighting me!
14:12<scott>and just as you joined i sent that
14:12<Bdragon>Was talking about Taco Johns
14:13<tjfontaine>sure sure
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14:15<eTiger13>can anyone guide me on setting up multple anonymouse ftp servers with pureftp? i have separate IP addresses for each server
14:15<anderiv>eTiger13: have you asked the pureftp folks? You'll probably get a better answer than you will here.
14:16<@mikegrb>lolz
14:16<pi_>hey eTiger13 you're on #slicehost too lol
14:16<fo0bar>lolz
14:17<scott>lulz
14:17<eTiger13>yup. i got servers everywhere!
14:17<pi_>neat
14:17<eTiger13>slicehost, linode, mosso, dreamhost, godaddy
14:17<eTiger13>and even manage a few on rackspace
14:17<Bdragon>(no panix?)
14:17<anderiv>eTiger13: sheesh. Talk about confusing.
14:18<eTiger13>not really
14:19<scott>surely after experiancing linode you would leave the rest...
14:19<pi_>:)
14:19<eTiger13>i dont know. SH just got bought by rackspace
14:20<anderiv>eTiger13: all the more reason to leave, IMHO.
14:20<pi_>linode will buy rackspace soon
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14:20<@mikegrb>lolz
14:20<eTiger13>lol i want to see that happen, considering rackspace is probably at least 100 times the size of linode
14:20<fo0bar>lolz
14:21<pi_>caker is withdrawing his savings from an offshore bank as we speak.
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14:24<path->obama is using icontact.com
14:26<Battousai>is that bad?
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14:26<Battousai>looks bad
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14:29<path->someone in here use to work there
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14:29<path->not sure if he's here now
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14:34<@mikegrb>(jasonf)
14:34<path->yea!
14:34<path->i actually think it's just the delaware obama people that are using them
14:35<path->that national group looks to be using bluestatedigital.com
14:35<agentbleubleu>im running at consistently high cpu usage, typically 50% plus and when robots arrive this spikes above 100%. I need to do some maintenance on my application to reduce the load on the mysql queries (which is the main problem). What would be the best short term solution to keep the server up and running. Would increasing ram be of any help here?
14:35<path->are you using swap?
14:35<agentbleubleu>yes not it is not being used
14:36<path->umm, so you have swap configured.. but it isn't being used?
14:36<path->in that case, i don't think additional ram will help
14:36<agentbleubleu>ilooking at top, it does not get used
14:37<path->use the "free" command
14:37<path->it might be better to get another linode and install mysql on that and then point your webserver to that using the internal network
14:37<RyanG>also you might want to set up superquery or querycache
14:37<RyanG>depending on what youre running
14:38<path->i've used memcached and it's nice
14:38<path->if it's a php app, you can using something like APC (alternative php cache) or eAccelerator
14:38<agentbleubleu>as i recall memcached etc only help if the queries are similar
14:38<RyanG>or wp-supercache
14:38<path->that will cache the compiled scripts
14:39<agentbleubleu>yes its php
14:39<path->APC helps a lot
14:39<agentbleubleu>ok
14:39<path->i use that one some php stuff
14:39<path->it's easy to install too "pecl install memcached"
14:39<tozz>memcached only helps if you know how to implement it correctly :)
14:39<path->errrr
14:39<agentbleubleu>so this is not caching the myysql only the PHP?
14:39<path->i'm dumb.. i mean "pecl install apc"
14:40<path->i got confused
14:40<path->apc will cache your compiled php scripts
14:40<path->so you don't need to recompile them on every page hit
14:40<RyanG>you can also set up zend
14:40<path->you can adjust how much space you dedicate to the cache
14:40<RyanG>and recompile your php with it
14:40<path->yea, but apc is free and easy to install
14:41<RyanG>its also less effective
14:41<RyanG>:<
14:41<RyanG>but i mean
14:41<RyanG>no use for zend really
14:41<RyanG>if the php is well coded
14:41<path->http://us2.php.net/apc
14:41<@mikegrb>lolz
14:41<RyanG>but since youre getting 50%-100% lol
14:41<fo0bar>lolz
14:41<RyanG>im guessing it isnt
14:41<path->yea, its probably better than what he has now
14:41<agentbleubleu>prob not
14:41<RyanG>unless its ALL mysql
14:41<tozz>that's insanely high
14:41<RyanG>mysqladmin proc
14:41<tozz>unless it's a million visitor site
14:42<RyanG>ya
14:42<agentbleubleu>20K a day
14:42<RyanG>hmmm
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14:42<RyanG>what linode package do you have
14:42<RyanG>360?
14:42<RyanG>you definitely need to be running swap
14:42<agentbleubleu>really intense on all
14:42<RyanG>if youre getting 50%-100%
14:42<agentbleubleu>760 plus 90
14:42<RyanG>ahj
14:42<RyanG>ah
14:42<RyanG>hmmm
14:42<tozz>at that amount you need to look at your application imo
14:43<tozz>if you do more that 5 queries per page you're dead
14:43<tozz>:p
14:43<agentbleubleu>oh easy
14:43<RyanG>does it use any kind of indexing
14:43<RyanG>or quick reference setup
14:43<agentbleubleu>not sure what you mean
14:43<RyanG>because it sounds like its doing more work than it needs to
14:43<path->you should still use a php accelerator
14:43<RyanG>for example, if you query for example@example.com
14:44<RyanG>you can have your script index the first 4 letters
14:44<RyanG>exam
14:44<RyanG>then query the db
14:44<RyanG>and the db will have an index
14:44<RyanG>and it will locate it
14:44<agentbleubleu>ah yes
14:44<agentbleubleu>thats all good
14:44<RyanG>without needed to query all of the characters
14:44<RyanG>needing*
14:44<RyanG>through all the tables
14:44<RyanG>hmm
14:44<tozz>yeah, I install APC by default, there's absolutely no reason not to use (that I know of)
14:44<agentbleubleu>indexes are good
14:44<agentbleubleu>ok on apc
14:44<agentbleubleu>is it simply installed on the server
14:45<path->tozz, i think if you run wordpress and some supercache stuff, then you should exclude some things
14:45<path->but i haven't heard of any thing else
14:45<agentbleubleu>http://www.myplaylist.biz/
14:45<agentbleubleu>this is the site
14:45<path->i think apc makes a noticeable difference
14:45<tozz>path-: only run my own code so it's not an issue :)
14:45<tozz>absolutely
14:47<agentbleubleu>ok im instaling pecl install apc
14:48<agentbleubleu>error
14:48<agentbleubleu>sh: phpize: command not found
14:48<agentbleubleu>ERROR: `phpize' failed
14:48<path->you need php-devel
14:48<path->what distro?
14:48<agentbleubleu>debian 4
14:49<bob2>apc is /in/ debian
14:49<path->heh
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14:50<path->uhm, it is?
14:50<path->well i don't see it with apt-cache on ubuntu
14:51<bob2>hm, not in etch
14:51<agentbleubleu>so should i install apt-get install php-devel
14:52<path->i think it may be php5-dev
14:52<agentbleubleu>ok
14:52<path->you may also need apache2-dev
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14:53<agentbleubleu>hello:~# apt-get install php5-dev
14:53<agentbleubleu>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
14:54<path->i dunno about that
14:54<path->do you have php4 on that?
14:54<bob2>do what it suggests
14:54<agentbleubleu>5
14:54<agentbleubleu>dpkg --configure -a
14:54<agentbleubleu>like that
14:55<path->yea
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14:58<agentbleubleu>it seemed to reinstall webmin and dovecote
14:59<path->dpkg must have been interrupted during an upgrade and it probably needed to finish the configure process
14:59<agentbleubleu>ok
15:00<eTiger13>anyone running mulitple anonymous ftp sites on the same server?
15:01<agentbleubleu>what does this do apache2-prefork-dev?
15:01<bob2>you can run one ftp server on port 21, per ip
15:02<eTiger13>bob2: i have multiple ip addresses
15:03<bob2>what's your question?
15:03<eTiger13>how do i set it up?
15:03<tjfontaine>ftp is not hostname based like http
15:03<bob2>what is your goal?
15:03<eTiger13>i dont want it to be hostname based. i want it to be ip based
15:04<eTiger13>have 3 separate ftp sites on my server
15:04<bob2>by default your ftp server is going to be listening on all the ips, so in that sense you are done
15:05<eTiger13>it does listen, but it sends all the ip addresses to the same folder, not their individual ones
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15:08<agentbleubleu>path-: this is the error now on pecl install apc: http://pastebin.linode.com/1381
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15:11<path->yea, you need apache2-dev
15:11<path->that package has the apxs command
15:12<agentbleubleu>ok
15:14<SelfishMan>No, it has apxs2
15:14<SelfishMan>You need to give the path as apxs2, not apxs when installing the modules
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15:16<eTiger13>anyone else have an idea on how i can setup multiple ftp sites?
15:17<MotoHoss>eTiger13: you have multiple ip's? vsftpd will do it...
15:18<eTiger13>yes i do.
15:18<eTiger13>i have vsftp installed
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15:18<path->SelfishMan: i didn't think i had to specify that
15:18<MotoHoss>http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/en-US/Reference_Guide/s2-ftp-vsftpd-start-multi.html
15:19<path->i thought it detected it once the apache2-dev package was there
15:19<path->maybe i did.. it was a long time ago
15:20<agentbleubleu>SelfishMan: still getting error after installing all apt-get install re2c
15:20<agentbleubleu>apt-get install php5-dev
15:20<agentbleubleu>apt-get install apache2-prefork-dev
15:20<agentbleubleu>apt-get install apache2-threaded-dev
15:20<MotoHoss>eTiger13: also in the vsftpd docs... user_sub_token && local_root
15:20<agentbleubleu>how to set the path to apxs2
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15:21<JT>is there a promotion code available for linode for new service?
15:21<MotoHoss>eTiger13: that outta get ya goin in the right direction. ;-)
15:23<path->http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/574
15:23<path->agentbleubleu: ^
15:23<agentbleubleu>cheers
15:23<@tasaro>JT: the only current promos are on the prepay options
15:24<JasonF>JT: it's worth full price :)
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15:26<agentbleubleu>path- how would one apply this 'apxs' is not in your path. Try to use --with-apxs=/path/to/apxs
15:26<MotoHoss>prepay options avail with a support ticket right?
15:26<path->the pecl command is launching the ./configure script
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15:27<path->after installing the apache dev package, it's still not finding it??
15:27<agentbleubleu>no
15:27<path->http://pecl.php.net/package/APC/3.0.19
15:28<path->you might be able to go there download the package and manually run the ./configure script with the right args
15:28<path->but i'm not sure what else the pecl command does
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15:30<eTiger13>MotoHoss: if the vsftpd.conf doesnt have listen_address should I add it?
15:31<MotoHoss>eTiger13: yep... you are going to have a couple... .confs...
15:33<path->agentbleubleu: it looks like some people create a symbolic link in /usr/bin for apxs (ln -s /usr/bin/apxs2 /usr/bin/apxs)
15:33<MotoHoss>eTiger13: usr/share/doc/vsftpd/EXAMPLE/PER_IP_CONFIG/README
15:33<agentbleubleu>that sounds like a good idea
15:35<path->i also created a /etc/php5/conf.d/apc.ini file with the "extension=apc.so" line in it
15:35<agentbleubleu>same problem
15:35<path->something must be wrong with those apache2 packages
15:35<agentbleubleu>hm
15:36<path->you only want the dev package that matches the apache package you are running
15:37<agentbleubleu>these are all the ones installed so far apt-get install re2c
15:37<agentbleubleu>apt-get install php5-dev
15:37<agentbleubleu>apt-get install apache2-prefork-dev
15:37<agentbleubleu>apt-get install apache2-threaded-dev
15:37<agentbleubleu>/set up sym link from apxs2 to apxs
15:37<agentbleubleu>ln -s /usr/bin/apxs2 /usr/bin/apxs
15:37<agentbleubleu>apt-get install gawk
15:37<path->do you have apache2-mpm-prefork or apache2-mpm-worker installed?
15:38<agentbleubleu>dont think so
15:38<path->i think those dev package are supposed to match
15:38<agentbleubleu>apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker
15:38<agentbleubleu>i have this one
15:39<path->i'm not really sure about what matches what with these apache packages
15:40<agentbleubleu>think I should try installing apache2-mpm-prefork
15:40<path->well, it can mess up your site thats running
15:40<agentbleubleu>hm
15:40<path->there are different packages and config options because some stuff is thread safe and some isn't
15:43<path->i've never seen so many problems trying to install a pecl module
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15:44<path->it's supposed to be a quick easy thing
15:44<agentbleubleu>oh dont worry its me, i always am struggling
15:44<agentbleubleu>im still very new to linux and apache so its amazing i have gotten this far to be honsest
15:45<path->i don't think you want both apache2-prefork-dev and apache2-threaded-dev
15:46<agentbleubleu>ok can i remove them
15:46<linbot>New news from forums: no more response from server since ca 2 hours ? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3618>
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15:46<path->sure
15:46<agentbleubleu>how to do that
15:46<path->they are both supposed to provide the apxs2 program
15:46<agentbleubleu>ok
15:46<path->apt-get remove package-name
15:46<agentbleubleu>ok
15:46<agentbleubleu>cheers
15:47<agentbleubleu>which one you betting on being the one to remove
15:47<bob2>install build-essential
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15:50<path->i'm thinking you want the apache2-threaded-dev one because you are using apache2-mpm-worker (which is threaded)
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15:50<agentbleubleu>ok
15:52<anderiv>!avail
15:52<linbot>anderiv: Linode360 - 29, Linode540 - 25, Linode720 - 24, Linode1080 - 7, Linode1440 - 5, Linode2880 - 3
15:52<@tasaro>anderiv: whachu need? ;)
15:53<anderiv>just keepin' an eye on how many have been snatched by slicehost refugees :-)
15:53<anderiv>...for curiosity's sake.
15:53<mikeage>hehe
15:54<@tasaro>noticed a few.. twitter says there will be more ;)
15:54<anderiv>yes - I've been watching twitter as well. tasaro are you behind @linode?
15:54*JasonF works for Rackspace
15:54<JasonF>When I heard we were acquiring a Xen hoster, I was really hoping it was you guys.
15:55<path->tasaro: got banner ads on rackspace's site?
15:55<@tasaro>anderiv: caker and I mostly
15:56<SelfishMan>I still would like to request network/host status updates via twitter
15:56<SelfishMan>Just a quick "reboot: dallas214" would be nice
15:56<anderiv>SelfishMan: not a half bad idea.
15:56<@tasaro>we definitely need to address that, whether it is twitter or whatnot
15:57<JasonF>haha, each host can have it's own twitter account
15:57<SelfishMan>I've seen a few tweets about that
15:57<JasonF>dallas31 is down
15:58<SelfishMan>Wow. You know a SQL query is bad when just running "EXPLAIN..." takes over an hour to process!
15:58<JasonF>SelfishMan: that'd be a new one on me.
16:02<SelfishMan>The query is a nasty "select...from (select...group by...union select...group by...union select...group by...) as main group by...having...order by..."
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16:07<agentbleubleu>path-:I just did an distro update, during I got the message that the ssh key needed to be changed, I rebooted, now when I try and login on ssh i get the warning. It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. Question is how to generate the key for known_hosts?
16:11<panthar>O.o
16:11<panthar>Rackspace just snapped up Slicehost and Jungledisk
16:11<SelfishMan>Meh. Old news.
16:11<anderiv>panthar: yah, we've moved on.
16:11<anderiv>:-)
16:12<DeepInTheFire>agentbleubleu: yes if you had to recompute your RSA key the key signature changed
16:12<panthar>:p work keeps me from being within x hours of news
16:12<jimcooncat>Why wasn't this on Slashdot? I'm going to fire them.
16:12<agentbleubleu>DeepInTheFire: thanks, how to change it
16:12<panthar>jimcooncat: wait a year
16:13<bd_>in a few weeks they'll run a story on it
16:13<bd_>and then another, three hours later
16:13<DeepInTheFire>delete the old one from known_hosts presumably after you have confirmed that the new one you are recieving is correct
16:13<agentbleubleu>so just delete the old?
16:14<DeepInTheFire>yes the error should tell you what line in the file the offending key signature it
16:14<DeepInTheFire>*is
16:14<jimcooncat>I heart linode, but competition is good. So much for slicehost. We'd never sell out, right?
16:15<bd_>cloud.rackspace.com uses an invalid security certificate.
16:15<bd_>The certificate is only valid for www.mosso.com
16:15<bd_>haha
16:15<panthar>doh
16:15<anderiv>nice form.
16:15<eTiger13>dumb mosso
16:17<agentbleubleu>DeepInTheFire: cheers that worked
16:18<panthar>Slicehost = "cloudservers"?
16:18<panthar>err
16:19<panthar>*shrug* ok, mosso.
16:20<SelfishMan>no
16:21<panthar>Well I'm happy on my Linode Cloud 720
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16:31<eTiger13>i like how both slicehost and now here are talking about the buyout
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16:59<agentbleubleu>can one run multiple instances of myisamchk / repair
17:05<Karrde>sooo Solaris 9 has detected the current Solaris 10 install and asked me if I want to upgrade it
17:05<Karrde>do I trust it n/n
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17:13<Diego2008>Hello, I have 1 question before signing up. I need to set up a VPN with a server in Pakistan, is that possible?
17:13<path->linodes servers are all in the US
17:14<neale>it'd be slow
17:14<path->http://www.linode.com/avail.cfm
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17:14<path->anyone in the world should be able to sign up, as long as you have a credit card
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17:15<panthar>hah - I'm seeing a lot of this on the social networks: *cancels SliceHost account*
17:15*panthar replies to them all with links to linode.com
17:16<Diego2008>a little bit slow but maybe not so much
17:16<panthar>Depends how much speed you need
17:17<Diego2008>just short text reception
17:17<Diego2008>not videos or anything else
17:17<panthar>that would probably be fine
17:18<Diego2008>yes I guess
17:18<@tasaro>panthar: nice -- pimp out your referral code ;)
17:19<panthar>oo forgot about that
17:19*panthar edits some things..
17:19<MotoHoss>what's the name of the town in NJ where the servers are?
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17:20<jkwood>HoopyCat: You found kitten?
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17:22<MotoHoss>found it.
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17:42<Peng_>!avail-he
17:42<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 2, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
17:46<Pryon>lies!
18:00<Peng_>Wow, the Slicehost news is interesting.
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18:03<pi_>!avail-tp
18:03<linbot>pi_: Dallas360 - 7, Dallas540 - 2, Dallas720 - 12, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
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18:24<eTiger13>how does fremont still show 2 540 available? i thought i took one of the spots today
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18:24<eTiger13>and the 360s went fast
18:24<jkwood>!avail-he
18:24<linbot>jkwood: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 2, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
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18:38<bob2>bah, lish + ssh hung
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18:50<Adam12>Peng_: That slicehost news _is_ interesting.
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18:56<encode>what slicehost news?
19:02<Adam12>encode: http://www.slicehost.com/articles/2008/10/22/big-news-today
19:03<Adam12>encode: Looks like a win for Linode tho! :)
19:04<@mikegrb>lolz
19:04<booja>lol slice
19:04<fo0bar>lolz
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19:05<@mikegrb>lolz
19:05<encode>lol, slicehost is only two years old
19:05<fo0bar>lolz
19:06<Adam12>Yah
19:06<encode>still doesn't explain why so many people are walking away from slicehost as a result of the news
19:06<Adam12>If I was on the slicehost ship, I think I'd be bailing about now
19:06<encode>unless its something about rackspace i don't know
19:07<Adam12>I think it has a lot to do with RS. Their name generally is associated with $$$
19:07<Adam12>I think most people dealt with Slicehost the same reason as Linode... personalized support.
19:09<encode>yeah, a lot of comments in that news post seem to be worried about their future
19:09<erikh>you can't predict it
19:09<erikh>and jumping to conclusions is.. fairly stupid.
19:10<Adam12>erikh: Maybe
19:10<HoopyCat>erikh: hey now, i used to play Jumping To Conclusions a lot when i was a kid
19:10<erikh>heh
19:10<Adam12>HoopyCat: Wasn't that the game from Office Space ? :)
19:11<eTiger13>yeah considering SH lowered prices, not increased them
19:11<eTiger13>im keeping my slicehost account because i love rackspace. their support is amazing
19:12<eTiger13>at least on the dedicated end.
19:12<eTiger13>the support on mosso on the other hand sucks
19:12<eTiger13>which slicehost is becoming a part of. so maybe thats why people are walking away, because Sh is going to be under the Mosso banner
19:13<booja>I have a jump to conclusions mat
19:14<erikh>from what I read, the only difference in the short term is that a lot of money changed hands
19:16<booja>wonder who linode will sell out to :P
19:16<bd_>booja: your mom
19:16<erikh>free linodes for booja.
19:16<booja>my mum will pay in cookies
19:17<booja>good enough?
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19:44<internat1>*yawnles*
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20:45<det>Are the servers in the different data centered speced similar ?
20:45<det>the hardware ?
20:46<SelfishMan>Identical from what I can tell
20:46<Pryon>The ones in Fremont all have a burning joint on top of the rack
20:46<det>awesome, that's where I am moving!
20:46<bd_>heh
20:47*SelfishMan mumbles about Fremont elitists
20:47<avongauss>no wonder there is never any available....
20:47<bd_>det: new servers have somewhat newer hardware, I think.
20:47<path->that must be why the racks are all half filled
20:47<bd_>(very somewhat)
20:47<SelfishMan>!avail-he
20:47<linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 2, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
20:47<path->techs got distracted..
20:47*avongauss submits resume to HE to be an official cage monkey...
20:50<avongauss>just a comment on the slicey thing from before, Linode is definitely better, but I'm not sure the aquisition is a win for Linode though.
20:51<avongauss>They just gained capital they didn't have to wait to earn and access to more DCs if they choose to expand that offering.
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21:01<det>avongauss, what slicey thing
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21:02<avongauss>The Slicehost aquisition...
21:02<det>Whom aquired who ?
21:02<avongauss>Rackspace aquired Slicehost today
21:03<det>hmm
21:03<det>interesting
21:03<det>I was with Slicehost before Linode
21:03<det>Linode has definitely been nicer.
21:04<fo0bar>avongauss: oh! hah, I got a little worried when you made it sound like slicehost bought linode :)
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21:05<avongauss>fo0bar, my appologizes - not sure how I would feel about something like that either...
21:05*fo0bar has been with linode since late 2003, so he's a little biased
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21:10<CaptObvi1usman>slicehost acquisition?
21:10<CaptObvi1usman>sounds like a murder mystery
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21:54<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Spaces or tabs in your code in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2667>
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22:13<_grepper>anyone here hosting grails app?
22:13<tjfontaine>why what's up?
22:14<_grepper>nothing yet, I just wanted to know if my entry point Linode would suffice
22:14<tjfontaine>with diligence
22:16<_grepper>what you mean?
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22:31<r3z>Anyone use partimage?
22:35<encode>i've used it in the past, but not with my linode
22:35<encode>pretty sure finnix includes partimage
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22:36<r3z>Can you run it on a production system without downing it?
22:36*r3z hasnt used it and needs to clone a production box.
22:36<r3z>I am sure it will affect performance but better than downing the system.
22:37<bob2>I don't think you can get a consistent live copy without lvm
22:38<bd_>some filesystems support suspending i/o I think
22:42<r3z>Hrm no LVM on this box.
22:43<StevenK>r3z: You can clone a Linode
22:43<r3z>Not a linode.
22:43<r3z>Physical machine.
22:43<bd_>r3z: not while it's running, if you like your filesystem in one atomic piece
22:43<r3z>Ya.
22:43<r3z>Figured.
22:43<r3z>Damnt
22:44<bob2>suspending = leave all your writes stranded in cache until the copy is done?
22:44<bd_>bob2: more or less
22:44<bd_>and above some threshold force writes to wait
22:44<bob2>ah
22:44<bob2>was gonna say, that's a lot o ram
22:44<bd_>lvm uses something similar at the block device level to do live reconfigurations
22:45<bd_>but that only happens for a few milliseconds
22:47<det>I just migrated my Linode from Dallas to Fremont, and now my Linode won't boot. How can I find out why.
22:48<exor674>det: do you have xenify on?
22:48<exor674>(or is everything xen now?)
22:48<det>I don't know what xenify is
22:48<bd_>exor674: the new hosts will be xen, was the old host UML?
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22:48<bd_>does it fail to boot? or does it just not work when booted?
22:48<det>Fails to boot
22:48<det>but claims "Success"
22:48<bd_>det: log into lish and type logview
22:48<exor674>and is it not booting or is it just not accessable (e.g. which IP are you using? did you have static IP or DHCP?
22:48<det>I was already on Xen
22:49<det>ugh
22:49<bd_>ugh?
22:49<det>maybe the new host doesn't support my 64bit kernel
22:49<bd_>det: file a ticket :)
22:50<bd_>det: you can try using z - testing (pv-grub) with a custom-built kernel too
22:50<bd_>note that that method can't boot unattended
22:50<bd_>although if the 64-bit kernel isn't deployed maybe z - testing isn't either...
22:51<det>I get a kernel oops
22:51<det> xvda:<1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff889e5fd9fee8 RIP:
22:51<det> [<ffffffff80490880>] blkif_int+0xa0/0x210
22:51<det>PGD 0
22:51<det>Oops: 0000 [1] SMP
22:51<det>etc
22:51<det>I'll file a ticket
22:51<bd_>okay, that's a ticket bug :)
22:53<internat1>hmms
22:53<internat1>admins?
22:53<bd_>hm?
22:55<Peng_>...Slicehost has 8 GB and 15.5 GB slices how?
22:55<Peng_>I guess their servers have 16 GB of RAM? :P
22:55*Peng_ wanders off.
22:57<@tasaro>det: the host we migrated you to does not do 64 bit (yet)
22:57<@tasaro>want a quick migration to one that does?
22:57<det>Yes :-)
22:57<@tasaro>ok, 1 sec
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22:58<kilowhisky>hello
22:58<guinea-pig>mmm, whisky
22:58*guinea-pig drinks you up
22:59<kilowhisky>:)
22:59<kilowhisky>i'm currently a (mt) user
22:59<kilowhisky>i've been suffering from turtlish speed
22:59<guinea-pig>(mt)?
22:59<kilowhisky>and i was looking for a better service provider
22:59<kilowhisky>media temple, yes
22:59<guinea-pig>i've not heard of them
22:59<@tasaro>you're in the right place ;)
23:00<guinea-pig>why, nobody here has heard of them, either? :P
23:00<kilowhisky>ahhh
23:00<@tasaro>det: you're all set (click migrate again)
23:00<det>tasaro, just did, thanks.
23:00<kilowhisky>to be honest with u, i'm still trying to decide between slicehost and linode
23:01<guinea-pig>go for the trial option
23:01<opello>how will you decide?
23:01<det>kilowhisky, I was formerly with SliceHost, I prefer Linode by a fair margin
23:01<kilowhisky>ahhh
23:01<kilowhisky>i see
23:01<det>Servers are much faster and more RAM and Transfer for the same cost
23:01<kilowhisky>i'm a beginner for vps,, lack of server knowledge etc etc.. is there good tutorials?
23:01<kilowhisky>i see
23:02<det>tasaro, btw, it would nice nice if migration could work like this: copy host image while running, shutdown host, rsync differences, boot new host
23:03<det>To minimize downtime
23:03<guinea-pig>i think linode offers the refund if you cancel within the first 7 days. can't seem to find details on the website, though...
23:03<guinea-pig>det: why not get a second node for a day, and rsync yourself over?
23:03<kilowhisky>i mean tutorials for setting up server to get it ready-to-use
23:03<guinea-pig>yay per-day billing
23:04<internat1>interesting.. my brand new linode with nothing on it but clamav running. literally nothing else, just spiked io
23:04<internat1>enuff to trigger an alartr
23:04<HIghoS>The alerts are set really low.
23:04<guinea-pig>crontab?
23:04<HIghoS>You could sneeze and it would set it off.
23:04<det>internat1, maybe cron.daily ?
23:04<@tasaro>the default is too low (still)
23:05<@tasaro>7 day money back guarantee is right on the homepage
23:05<guinea-pig>i probably was looking too hard :P
23:05<Toba>guinea-pig: hiho from #xkcd
23:05<guinea-pig>eep
23:06<guinea-pig>Toba: i don't look there often. i'm in #geohashing more
23:06<kilowhisky>meh..
23:06<Toba>you can run but you can't hide
23:06<kilowhisky>.i'm signing up right now XD
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23:09<sleep_>on ubuntu, are missing many files.h
23:09<sleep_>stdio.h: No such file or directory
23:09<sleep_>like it
23:09<bd_>sleep_: install build-essential
23:09<guinea-pig>minor packet loss inside fremont, host 31
23:09<sleep_>thanks bd_
23:10<guinea-pig>well... 40%
23:10<sleep_>apt-get install build-essential
23:10<sleep_>correclty?
23:10<bd_>sleep_: yes
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:1:20: error: signal.h: No such file or directory
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:2:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:3:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
23:11<kilowhisky>sry guys,, whats pro-rated mean?
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:4:24: error: sys/socket.h: No such file or directory
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:5:19: error: netdb.h: No such file or directory
23:11<sleep_>piu.c:6:24: error: netinet/in.h: No such file or directory
23:11<bd_>sleep_: how are you invoking gcc?
23:11<@tasaro>kilowhisky: you only pay for what you use
23:11<bob2>sleep_: fyi use paste.linode.com in future
23:11<sleep_>gcc -o piu piu.c
23:11<bd_>sleep_: hmm, if build-essential is installed, those should all be present
23:11<sleep_>ok
23:11<sleep_>thanks
23:11<bd_>sleep_: are you using:
23:11<bd_>#include "stdio.h"
23:11<bd_>or
23:12<bd_>#include <stdio.h>
23:12<sleep_>you is very helpful
23:12<kilowhisky>so the total 26.39 includes for 2 months?
23:12<Peng_>kilowhisky: Yes.
23:12<kilowhisky>ahhh
23:12<bd_>kilowhisky: yes, after the 20th day of th emonth, you pay for the next month up-front as well
23:12<@tasaro>correct (the dates should be listed on the invoice)
23:12<path->yea, partial to the end of the month and then next month
23:12<bd_>sleep_: er, to confirm, was that error /after/ you installed build-essential? or before?
23:12*Peng_ goes back to being away.
23:12<kilowhisky>ohhhh i get it
23:12<sleep_>before
23:13<sleep_>i will install the build now
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23:13<guinea-home>grrr
23:13<bd_>ah ok then
23:13<sleep_>bd_ u have linode?
23:13<bd_>yes
23:13<sleep_>witch distro u use?
23:13<bd_>debian
23:14<sleep_>nice
23:14<sleep_>so bd_, u know how i can access the kde in my linode from my pc with win?
23:15<bd_>uh
23:15<bd_>usually one wouldn't want to do that >_>
23:15<sleep_>i really want access remote my linode
23:15<sleep_>grapich
23:15<sleep_>kde
23:15<sleep_>vncserver?
23:15<bd_>sleep_: there are basically no graphical server admin tools for linux
23:15<sleep_>or other method
23:16<bd_>even if you were seated at the machine, you'd end up opening a shell and text editor
23:16<sleep_>i want use programs for kde, in graphical
23:16<bd_>err
23:16<bd_>well, I don't know, I don't really use vnc like that :)
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23:16<sleep_>i wanna use torrent
23:16<sleep_>but in terminal is hard
23:16<guinea-home>tasaro: http://pb.linode.com/1382
23:17<bd_>rtorrent is nice once you get used to it
23:17<sleep_>yes, i got it
23:17<sleep_>but cant use it
23:18<sleep_>and java, how install the java, apt-get install java ?
23:19<bob2>learning to use rtorrent will probably be easier than having vnc and kde work over the internet
23:19<bd_>sun-java6-jre or something
23:19<bd_>and yeah
23:19<bd_>plus
23:19<bd_>kde + java is going to be a ton of RAM
23:19<bd_>not likely to work very well in 360mb...
23:19<path->time to upgrade
23:19<bd_>heh
23:19<bob2>haha
23:20<bob2>don't think you can get referer bonuses for upselling people, though
23:20<bd_>in particular - if you're thinking of using azureus, stop. You'll need at least 1G for azureus to run well.
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23:20<sleep_>well, where i can find help for rtorrent
23:21<sleep_>please, dont tell me google
23:21<sleep_>^^
23:21<booja>ok
23:21<bob2>what did you have trouble with?
23:21<booja>I won't tell you nussink
23:21<exor674>yahoo?
23:21<bd_>http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentUserGuide
23:21<bd_>http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks
23:21<booja>altavista
23:21<sleep_>i wanna be a seed
23:22<sleep_>where u from bd
23:22<bob2>sleep_: you realise you need permission from the copyright holder of whatever you want to seed, right?
23:22<sleep_>righ
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23:24<guinea-home>tasaro: whatever it was seems to have gone away now
23:24<kilowhisky>what type of distro, most of you guys use?
23:25<bob2>debian and ubuntu seem to be the most loudly promoted, after slackware???
23:26<kilowhisky>ooh theres ubuntu 8.04 lts
23:26<sleep_>fedora is nice too
23:27<sleep_>im using ubuntu 8.04 lts
23:27<kilowhisky>nice
23:27<kilowhisky>i was about to click that ;p
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23:29<linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: dallas76 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3619>
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23:40<golb>i migrated 3 of my linodes to ubuntu 8.04 lts from centos5
23:40<kilowhisky>wow... lots of work to setup
23:41<golb>i am happy i made the move though
23:42<kilowhisky>ya
23:42<kilowhisky>i'm excited too
23:43<@mikegrb>lolz
23:43<kilowhisky>but i'm kinda n00b with servers lol
23:43<fo0bar>lolz
23:43<A-KO>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3239352/Michael-Jackson-upsets-parents-by-moving-opposite-school.html < does not surprise me
23:43<@mikegrb>roflz
23:43<indigophone>rofl
23:43<fo0bar>roflz
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23:47<Pryon>!avail-he
23:47<linbot>Pryon: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 2, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
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23:47<Battousai>how are those still there?
23:48<path->what a sicko
23:48<CJ__>Announcement: Ragnarok Online has a free server! :D
23:48<bd_>Battousai: every time one is sold, the admins open up a single additional slot
23:48<indigophone>hi Pryon
23:48<Battousai>oh i see
23:48<Pryon>howdy indigophone.
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23:49<path->and whats wrong with his chin?
23:51<indigophone>i think the fremont linodes just evaporate into thin air
23:51<@mikegrb>lolz
23:51<booja>lol
23:51<fo0bar>lolz
23:53<kilowhisky>is there a good tutorial for installing apache on ubuntu 8.04?
23:54<Pryon>apt-get install apache2
23:54<Pryon>probably need a sudo in there, too
23:55<kilowhisky>ooh
23:55<@mikegrb>lolz
23:55<kilowhisky>thats it? lol
23:55<fo0bar>lolz
23:56<Pryon>This URL will probably be beneficial :-) https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
23:57<kilowhisky>thank you i'll look into it;)
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