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---Logopened Thu Oct 23 00:00:15 2008
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00:11<golb>if I have 3 linodes in different data centers, are the bandwidth also pooled?
00:11<A-KO>no
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00:14<SelfishMan>Bandwidth pooling? Is that happening now?
00:14<neale>man, somebody must be pegging the disk on my host
00:15<bd_>A-KO: are you sure?
00:15<bd_>SelfishMan: yes, but it's not reported on the panel yet
00:15<SelfishMan>When did this happen? Linky?!?
00:16<bd_>cf http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3345
00:16<neale>Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 74.7%id, 25.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
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00:18<SelfishMan>Hmm...
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00:20<@tasaro>it is pooled
00:20<@tasaro>whether the nodes are in the same dc or not
00:20<Peng_>There were Fremont360s available today?
00:21*Pryon migrated to one
00:21<golb_>\o/
00:21<SelfishMan>There are two 540s now
00:21<A-KO>oh? I didn't know that tasaro
00:22<A-KO>I figured it'd be seperate
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00:26<yinkei>If i get a 540, is it easy to downgrade/upgrade?
00:26<SelfishMan>yes
00:26<yinkei>fully automated? or is a ticket required?
00:27<SelfishMan>a ticket is required for the one-click migration but you can always get a second node of the new size and move everything manually
00:27<yinkei>i assume it is the case for moving to another DC as well?
00:28<SelfishMan>yep. same rules apply except for your IP(s) will change too
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00:33<kilowhisky>does deleting a current distro work as a *foramt*?
00:34<bd_>kilowhisky: deleting the disk images will, effectively
00:34<kilowhisky>how do i do that?
00:34<kilowhisky>just delete from the dashboard?
00:36<Peng_>Thank you TCP for recovering from temporary network issues. :)
00:36<bd_>kilowhisky: yeah
00:36<kilowhisky>aye aye
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00:39<eTiger13>can someone help me with apache? these are my conf files. domain1 seems to time out and domain 2 loads what domain 1 should
00:40<bd_>these?
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00:40<SelfishMan>Make sure you have a proper "NameVirtualHost *" option in your config
00:41<SelfishMan>Does domain1 resolve to an IP? Is Apache listening on that IP?
00:42<eTiger13>do i need "NameVirtualHost * " with the wildcard?
00:42<SelfishMan>Yep
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00:43<SelfishMan>It only needs to be in the default sites config file ouside of the <VirtualHost> section
00:43<eTiger13>should that replace line 55?
00:43<SelfishMan>line 55 means nothing without seeing the config
00:44<@mikegrb>lolz
00:44<eTiger13>lol :grins: thought i pasted but guess i didn't: http://pastebin.com/m5a123693
00:44<fo0bar>lolz
00:45<SelfishMan>Are you binding it to a specific IP?
00:45<eTiger13>just removed everything that has been commented out to make it easier to read for here.
00:45<eTiger13>yeah, my node IP
00:46<bob2>timing out = dns is messed up
00:46<SelfishMan>OK, then it needs to be "NameVirtualHost xx.xx.xx.xx" as specifying the port tends to spit out errors
00:46<bob2>or apache isn't listening on that ip
00:47<eTiger13>bob2: they are cloned in the dns and pointed to the same ip
00:47<kilowhisky>could u guys visit http://kilowhisky.com and tell me if you see "It Works!" as well
00:47<SelfishMan>If you run "a2ensite domain2 && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload" it should work
00:47<bob2>then they wouldn't exhibit different behaviour
00:48<SelfishMan>Yep
00:48<kilowhisky>coool
00:48<eTiger13>SelfishMan: the way i have the config setup now?
00:49<SelfishMan>Yeah
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00:50<eTiger13>well both sites are resolving to the default now
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00:50<SelfishMan>Did you remove the port numbers in all the VHost config files?
00:52<eTiger13>yup
00:52<SelfishMan>should work then unless you broke something else in your config
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00:52<SelfishMan>What do the logs show?
00:52<SelfishMan>tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log
00:53<gsf>my linode on newark41 is acting odd
00:53<gsf>stop and go doing simple things like opening mutt
00:54<gsf>got headroom on ram and idle cpu
00:54<gsf>anyway, no biggie, on my way to bed, just thought i'd mention it
00:55<gsf>in case anyone else is seeing similar
00:55<eTiger13>logs for domain 2 are empty
00:55<SelfishMan>when you visit domain2 do the logs show the hit in domain1?
00:56<SelfishMan>and did you actually run "a2ensite domain2 && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload"?
00:56<eTiger13>yeah
00:56<eTiger13>says its alrady enabled and i see it in sites-enabled
00:57<SelfishMan>Should work then
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00:58<eTiger13>yeah logs for domain1 show both but domain 2 is empty
00:59<eTiger13>this is frustratin
00:59<bob2>pastebin your real config files
00:59<SelfishMan>You are missing something then. Post your actual config files from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and the output of apache2 -M -S
01:00<eTiger13>whats that last part supposed to do?
01:00<SelfishMan>Shows the loaded modules (both compiled and dynamic) and checks your vhost config
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01:06<eTiger13>does nothing
01:07<eTiger13>well does something
01:07<eTiger13>displays this which i believe is bad: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
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01:12<bob2>pastebin your real config files
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01:13<SelfishMan>I think I hear an echo in here :-P
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01:18<eTiger13>apache2.conf: http://pastebin.com/m5c4cf976
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01:20<SelfishMan>Adding a vhost normally with a stock install of apache2 just requires creating the config file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ then running "a2ensite CONFIGFILE && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload" and that is it
01:20<yinkei>does anyone know any coupons for linode? I'm interested in trying them out
01:20<eTiger13>default in sites-available: http://pastebin.com/m705e65be
01:21<bd_>yinkei: there are some posted on webhostingtalk from time to time
01:21<MotoHoss>this err: ${APACHE_RUN_USER} seems that the envvars file is not correct...
01:21<bd_>but often there are none outstanding
01:21<yinkei>bd_: yeah they seem to have expired.
01:21<yinkei>I'm currently using slicehost but noticed that linode give you more for the same $
01:21<bob2>eTiger13: did you touch 00-default?
01:21<eTiger13>secondsite in sites-available: http://pastebin.com/m20131ef1
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01:22<eTiger13>000-default in sites-enabled points to default in sites-available
01:22<bob2>and that still isn't your real config files
01:22<eTiger13>MotoHoss: thats what i was thinking
01:22<SelfishMan>OK, those aren't the unmodified config files
01:23<@tasaro>yinkei: the only current promos are for prepaying -- we do offer a 7 day, 100% money back guarantee
01:23<SelfishMan>Do you only have one IP on your Linode?
01:25<eTiger13>yes. they are unmodified as in the only thing changed is the names and numbers but they have been kept the same relative to each other
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01:25<pb>hello
01:25<pb>any support from linode?
01:25<Pryon>ehlo
01:26<SelfishMan>are you binding anything to 127.0.0.1:80?
01:26<pb>im signing up for linode 2880
01:26<pb>and when i finish up te registration
01:26<pb>it says We're sorry, no plan was found that could match your request. Please narrow your selection and try again.
01:26<@tasaro>pb: one sec, lemme look
01:26<pb>thanks
01:27<eTiger13>!avail
01:27<linbot>eTiger13: Linode360 - 22, Linode540 - 26, Linode720 - 23, Linode1080 - 4, Linode1440 - 3, Linode2880 - 2
01:28<pb>it says 2 more available for 2880
01:28<eTiger13>SelfishMan: should i be?
01:28<SelfishMan>No. But since you aren't, change the NameVirtualHost line to "NameVirtualHost *" and the <VirtualHost> lines in each config file to "<VirtualHost *>"
01:28<@tasaro>pb: try now?
01:28<SelfishMan>then run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
01:28<MotoHoss>what doe your ports.conf look like?
01:28<MotoHoss>s/doe/does
01:29<eTiger13>default install
01:29<pb>in firefox or ie?
01:29<pb>Please check for this email and follow the instructions to continue the registration process.
01:29<pb>thanks tasaro
01:29<@tasaro>np
01:29<pb>how long will my subscription be online?
01:30<SelfishMan>It can't be a default install. Something has been changed because a default install works quick and easy. I'm betting it is because of the vhost IP thing
01:31<bd_>pb: since a staffmember is around, I'd estimate around 30 seconds from when you reached tht screen. Go check your email again ;)
01:31<eTiger13>changed to wildcard for the namevirtualost and virtualhosts and they still point to the same place
01:32<SelfishMan>OK, you modified somewhere else then. What does your ports.conf look like?
01:32<pb>i see it
01:32<pb>continuing the registration
01:32<pb>i mean, once ive done payment and all
01:32<pb>how long will i be able to login to my server
01:33<bd_>pb: oh wait, you were at email confirm, not billing confirmation
01:33<eTiger13>http://pastebin.com/m407314cc
01:33<bd_>well, once you finish the entire process, it goes to manual confirmation
01:33<bd_>and the staff has a running competition on how fast they can confirm accounts...
01:33<pb>wow
01:34<bd_>and tasaro seems to be around, so I'd guess it won't be too long? :)
01:34<pb>btw, my irc buddy referred me to you guys
01:34<bd_>(unless there's a red flag from the billing software, in which case they'll ask for additional information and etc)
01:34<yinkei>do they phone you?
01:34<yinkei>or just via email?
01:34<@tasaro>e-mail
01:35<eTiger13>pretty empty
01:38<pb>tasaro
01:38<pb>already finished the sign up
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01:39<pb0>sorry
01:39<pb0>tasaro u got my msg?
01:39<@tasaro>no
01:39<pb0>Congratulations!
01:39<pb0>Thank you for submitting a membership application!
01:39<pb0>We will be contacting you soon to validate your membership. In some cases we will ask you additional details or require you to fax us a signed membership agreement. Membership applications with no response within 48 hours will be denied.
01:40<pb0>i also received email from billing
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01:41<kilowhisky>if i get error when typing, sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql php5-mysql phpmyadmin, is this bc/ its down?
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01:44<pb>tasaro : -- Your account is currently pending activation --
01:44<@tasaro>pb: are you getting my /msg ?
01:44<pb>OH pm
01:44<@mikegrb>lolz
01:44<pb>sorry havent done irc in a browser lol
01:44<fo0bar>lolz
01:44<pb>lawl
01:44<Pryon>kilowhisky: depends on the error
01:45<kilowhisky>oh..
01:45<kilowhisky>it says
01:45<kilowhisky>Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main php5-common 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1
01:45<kilowhisky> 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.46 80]
01:45<kilowhisky>there are like 4 more errors just like that
01:45<bd_>the mirror's out of date
01:46<bd_>remove the us. bit
01:46<bob2>have you 'sudo aptitude updated'd lately?
01:47<SelfishMan>Yes, apt-get update is your friend
01:47<kilowhisky>oh.. i've just installed this whole thing, i'm new to this stuff
01:47<kilowhisky>i see
01:48<kilowhisky>ding
01:48<kilowhisky>it works now
01:48<SelfishMan>First thing I recommend on *any* distro is to update it. Under Ubuntu you can just run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' to do this
01:49<kilowhisky>i see
01:49<SelfishMan>Like with any OS it is never completely up-to-date when you install it
01:49<kilowhisky>right
01:50<SelfishMan>Except gentoo but who really wants to wait 3 days to find out if the new version even works
01:50<@mikegrb>lolz
01:50<kilowhisky>lol
01:50<fo0bar>lolz
01:51<kilowhisky>ahh
01:51<kilowhisky>the beauty of vps
01:51<kilowhisky>i'm kinda gettin used to it
01:53<MotoHoss>aptitude works well for me. I left synaptic and apt behind.
01:54<yinkei>does gentoo really take 3 days to compile/install?
01:54<@mikegrb>lolz
01:54<yinkei>lol
01:54<fo0bar>lolz
01:54<A-KO>yinkei: not really
01:55<yinkei>probably an hour?
01:55<A-KO>couple of hours
01:55<A-KO>X takes a while, if you use X
01:55<A-KO>if you're talking in regards to linode, same as everything else
01:55<A-KO>compile times make it a bit slower overall but it's not too bad
01:55<SelfishMan>yinkei: http://www.xkcd.com/456/
01:56<bob2>also your nodemates will hate you
01:56<A-KO>not really
01:56<A-KO>your nodemates will never know
01:56<A-KO>if Gentoo severely impacted linode performance, they would not have it available for use
01:56<@mikegrb>lolz
01:56<yinkei>lol they shoudl tell you who your nodemates are, so you can knock on their door when they're too loud
01:56<fo0bar>lolz
01:56<SelfishMan>Gentoo + shared environment = NOT COOL
01:57<A-KO>SelfishMan: like I said, if it impacted linodes in any way I'm sure they would remove it from availability
01:57<SelfishMan>You use Gentoo on your Linode, don't you?!?
01:58<A-KO>yes, yes I do
01:58<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
01:58<SelfishMan>Couldn't tell at all!
02:01<yinkei>is fermont the only DC linode has in the west coast?
02:01<@tasaro>yes
02:03<kilowhisky>is it possible to have a different A-record(pointed somewhere else) on root domain and still have a sub-domain pointed on my linode acc?
02:04<SelfishMan>sure
02:04<bob2>yes
02:04<encode>random question, if i have files on a server for which i don't have root access, files are owned by my user account, permissions 600, how can i delete them?
02:04<kilowhisky>i see
02:04<encode>i keep getting permission denied
02:05<bob2>give yourself write permission to the dir they are in
02:05<bd_>encode: deletion is about the permissions of the directory
02:05<bd_>you need write and possibly execute access to the directory
02:05<bob2>(so, slightly confusingly, you can delete files you can't read(
02:05<SelfishMan>+x? why?
02:05<bd_>SelfishMan: traversal
02:06<SelfishMan>hmm
02:06<bd_>[bd@satoko bd] touch test/x
02:06<bd_>[bd@satoko bd] chmod 0600 test
02:06<bd_>[bd@satoko bd] rm test/x
02:06<bd_>rm: cannot remove `test/x': Permission denied
02:06<bd_>basically
02:06<bd_>on directories:
02:06<bd_>+r lets you opendir/readdir
02:06<encode>bah, i tried chmod to 700, didn't work, but chmod u+x does work
02:06<encode>odd
02:06<bd_>+w lets you alter files in it
02:06<bd_>+x lets you address anything under it
02:06<bd_>+w is useless without +x
02:07<encode>ok
02:08<encode>thanks guys!
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02:11<kilowhisky>T_T sorry again guys, if i have a subdomain, where is the dir in the ftp? do i just connect as subdomain.domain.com in the first place?
02:13<bob2>ftp doesn't do host-based virtual hosting
02:14<bob2>if you have one ip, you can have one directory hierarchy exposed via ftp
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02:14<LinodeJavaUser>Hi, Everyone!
02:15<kilowhisky>ahhh...
02:15<kilowhisky>i see
02:15<LinodeJavaUser>I need some help with setting up my very first linode
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02:16<Pryon>and staying connected to IRC
02:16<SelfishMan>Maybe they were upset about not getting an immediate response?!?
02:20<ae5ir>wtf, you mean you didn't answer 'em before the question was asked?!
02:21<ae5ir>This is inexcusable.
02:21<SelfishMan>Sorry. Won't happen again. Please don't hit me again!
02:21<ae5ir>:D
02:21<ae5ir>Pryon, hit SelfishMan.
02:22<dvgrhl>LinodeJavaUser should not be allowed
02:22<dvgrhl>only hardcore irc nerds need apply
02:24<pi_>omg dave grohl! you're a linode user?
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02:26<Peng_>SelfishMan: I can't remember, do you still want Fremont nodes?
02:26<Peng_>(Not that I can help or anything. I just don't remember.)
02:27<SelfishMan>Sort of. I have half a rack in Fremont so I'm not hurting for one
02:27<SelfishMan>But if something popped up that I wanted when I was in the right mood I would probably take it maybe
02:27<Peng_>OK :)
02:27<SelfishMan>Still two 540s available I think
02:27<SelfishMan>!avail-he
02:27<linbot>SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 3, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
02:27<SelfishMan>three?!?!
02:28<Peng_>When did that happen?
02:28<Peng_>s/When/Why/
02:28<SelfishMan>Today'ish
02:28<StevenK>SelfishMan: Aren't you after a Fremont node or two?
02:28<Peng_>Well yeah.
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02:29<ITgopher>Hi, Guys!
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02:29<ITgopher>Hi!
02:30<ITgopher>I am trying to setup my very first Linode with Ubuntu. Is there a handy how-to manual somewhere to follow, sort of a "for Dummies" style?
02:31<Peng_>ITgopher: I'm sure there are a lot of Ubuntu and Linux tutorials. You don't really need something Linode-specific.
02:31<ITgopher>Thanks, Peng_
02:31<KB1PYW>ITgopher: what type of stuff are you trying to do?
02:32<SelfishMan>Just make sure they are Ubuntu tutorials and not something more generic or specific to another distro
02:32<KB1PYW>Peng is right though, linode is really just linux.. so any docs you get will be relevant
02:32<ITgopher>My very first question is how big of a disk image size should I pick in the Distro Wizard...
02:32<SelfishMan>I see a lot of people asking how to do something and saying they followed a howto for another distro and now things don't work
02:32<Peng_>Remember that VPSes are memory-constrained, so if you're planning to run Apache, MySQL or anti-spam stuff, you should read about optimizing them for low-memory environments. Again, not Linode-specific.
02:33*Peng_ goes back to being away.
02:33*KB1PYW likes lighttpd
02:33<@mikegrb>lolz
02:33<ITgopher>I don't even have Linux running yet LOL
02:33<KB1PYW>lighttpd 4 life
02:34<yinkei>KB1PYW: is it simple to set up?
02:34<KB1PYW>yes, very
02:34<ITgopher>All I need to know is how much of my linode memory I should allocate for the disk image size
02:34<ae5ir>"I'm trying to fix my yugo. I got a manual for a kia and did everything it said to do, now my engine just fell out. Help plz"
02:34<@mikegrb>lolz
02:34<ITgopher>LOL @ae5ir
02:34<SelfishMan>Personally I think that apache's config is easier to read and understand but lighttpd performs better typically
02:35<SelfishMan>ae5ir: rm -rf /etc should fix that
02:35<ae5ir>oh wow
02:35<KB1PYW>SelfishMan: I setup apache the other day for some performance testing, and I was lost (because I'm out of it).. so it is waht you are used you
02:35<ae5ir>thx
02:35<yinkei>lighttpd doesn't support mod rewrite?
02:35<yinkei>i think
02:35<KB1PYW>ITgopher: you can just do 11776 for your disk and 512 for swap
02:36<SelfishMan>For the record, *don't* run that command!
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02:36<KB1PYW>yinkei: it absolutely does
02:36<@mikegrb>lolz
02:36<ITgopher>KB1PYW: won't that use up all my available storage space? I would have thought I have to leave some for a rainy day LOL
02:36<SelfishMan>ITgopher: I recommend a gig less than half so you can clone the image while you are learning and not have to recreate everything if you mess up
02:36<SelfishMan>Oh, and 256 for swap
02:37<KB1PYW>ITgopher: you could do that... i wouldn't worry about it, personally
02:37<SelfishMan>ITgopher: You can resize the disks at any time but there will be a bit of downtime for the resize
02:37<ae5ir>with all that laughing out loud, I hope no one's trying to sleep nearby like is the case here
02:37<KB1PYW>SelfishMan: good idea..
02:38<ITgopher>ae5ir: Sorry for disturbing... Shhht!
02:38*SelfishMan ponders poking the lol botz
02:38<ae5ir>nice
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02:38<ITgopher>SelfishMan: I think that is a really good idea.
02:39<ITgopher>I'll go try that now...
02:40<SelfishMan>!rr
02:40<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
02:40<SelfishMan>!rr
02:40<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
02:40<SelfishMan>!rr
02:40<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
02:40<SelfishMan>!rr
02:40<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
02:40*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
02:40<SelfishMan>Ha!
02:40<SelfishMan>Is there a reason that linbot has been firing blanks for the last few weeks?
02:41<StevenK>He's not been op'd?
02:41<SelfishMan>nope
02:41<SelfishMan>Must have had too many kicks in the yamsack
02:42<eTiger13>ok ive got my virtualhosts almost working. without www the site goes to the right place but with it, it doesn't. what do i have to add to make it redirect to www always?
02:43<ITgopher>Alright... 12,288 / 2 = 6,144 - 1,024 = 5,120MB for the disk image and 512MB for the swap file. Sound good enough?
02:43<SelfishMan>Sounds like you need a ServerAlias directive
02:43<SelfishMan>ServerName www.domain.com, ServerAlias domain.com
02:46<ITgopher>Hmmm, can anyone also tell me if there is much of a difference whether I am using the regular Ubuntu 8.04 distro or the 64-bit?
02:47<eTiger13>ITgopher: mostly the memory size limit i think.
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02:48<eTiger13>serveralias works but keeps the address the same. do i need to do a rewrite to redirect it to www.?
02:48<ITgopher>eTiger: Thanks! Which in my particular case won't make that much of a difference with 360MB of RAM, anyway, right?
02:49<SelfishMan>Yes
02:49<kilowhisky>arggg...
02:49<SelfishMan>ITgopher: There is no real reason that I can think of to use the 64-bit version of the distro
02:49<kilowhisky>sftp pain in the butt
02:50<@mikegrb>lolz
02:50<ITgopher>SelfishMan: Thanks a bunch. I think I am ready to hit that "Submit" button now LOL
02:50<SelfishMan>ITgopher: Do it! You won't be disappointed!
02:51<@mikegrb>lolz
02:51<ITgopher>SelfhishMan: Ya think?! LOL
02:51<eTiger13>ITgopher: only 360?
02:51<kilowhisky>where can i find my domains root dir in sftp
02:52<ITgopher>eTiger: Yes, I am going cheap for now. Let that baby grow with time...
02:52<ITgopher>... with the correct care, of course.
02:52<eTiger13>kilowhisky: depends on how you have it setup and which server you are running
02:52<indigophone>What happened to your last baby?!?
02:52<indigophone>You killed it!
02:53<indigophone>You monsteeeer
02:53<kilowhisky>T_T i've setup everything but i got real stuck on ftp
02:53<kilowhisky>*Sftp
02:53<ITgopher>indigophone: I ate it
02:53<kilowhisky>i do get a list of directories when i get connected to sftp
02:53<indigophone>ITgopher, and you didn't share with me :((
02:54<ITgopher>ingigophone: That would be canibalism!
02:54<kilowhisky>and.. thats as far as i know
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02:58<ITgopher>Ok, I have Linux running. Now what?
02:58<eTiger13>how do i tell what size linode i have?
02:58<ITgopher>... Just kidding ...
02:59<eTiger13>nevermind. found it in billing
02:59<ITgopher>eTiger: Aren't all the details along the ... Oh, OK
03:01<ITgopher>Alright, gents! Thank you very much for your help but I need'a znoozzzzz.... Goodnight!
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03:13<eTiger13>ok back to my virtual host. would i do a rewrite in the sites-available file to redirect not www to the www url?
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03:15<SelfishMan>Sure
03:15<SelfishMan>I prefer to put my rewrite rules in my .htaccess but to each their own
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03:22<agentbleubleu>has anyone seen this before in top, 'lookup-domain-d' what is it for?
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03:33<lighty4life>ok
03:33<lighty4life>it is way too late for me to be up
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03:36<eTiger13>does this not work: http://pastebin.com/m30407172
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03:58<buckie555>I would like to be able to download my linode image to a remote destination so that I have a complete off node backup. Does anyone know how I can do this?
04:02<MotoHoss>rsync for the data ....
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04:05<buckie555>But it's taken me some time to get the configuration (os and package patches and apps setup) to a stage that I can use it to quickly setup new nodes and now I'd like to clone the entire image and store it somewhere safe locally
04:06<MotoHoss>if example.com is the default vhost and www.example.com is another vhost anything else foo.example.com will go to default example.com in a single ip setup.
04:06<MotoHoss>rsync will do exactly what you need it to.
04:08<buckie555>Unless I've missed something I thought that rsync backs up specified folders. If I use that then when I setup a new linode won't I need to setup the os all over again before copying the archived files across. I was hoping to avoid this
04:09<buckie555>On my windows machines at home I use acronis true image to take a complete snapshot off all partitiions on a node and then in the case of a bad failure I can be up and running in an hour by just installing the images on another physical machine
04:10<buckie555>I was hoping that the disk image resides somewhere as a file and that I could shutdown the linode and download the image file by sftp or similar
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04:12<buckie555>Is this possible?
04:13<MotoHoss>that I don't know about. All I need is the data... in /etc /var /home and after aptitude update i am back in business... with a few keystrokes.
04:14<SelfishMan>buckie555: Short answer is no, it isn't that simple
04:14<SelfishMan>You have to shutdown, boot another profile or finnix recovery instance, then dd the image across the net
04:15<SelfishMan>Or you could use the Linode clone feature which will duplicate the disk image onto the same host
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04:15<buckie555>Oh OK. I was wondering how about if I shutdown the node. Duplicate it via the control panel. Then startup the original node. From there can I access a file that represents the duplicated node?
04:15<SelfishMan>but that isn't really a backup to protect from failure as much as a backup to protect from the "oh crap I ran rm -rf / by accident" moments
04:15<buckie555>sorry - when I said node - I meant image
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04:16<SelfishMan>Yes, you can access the cloned image *if* you configure the profile to see it as a disk before booting it
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04:17<CrAzYnEwGuY>Hey
04:17<buckie555>any pointers on where I should be looking to read up on this?
04:17<SelfishMan>Not that come to mind. It's pretty easy really
04:17<CrAzYnEwGuY>I just signed up, but have noclue which server would better as im in AUS
04:17<SelfishMan>!download
04:17<linbot>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636
04:18<SelfishMan>CrAzYnEwGuY: Try the endpoints in that
04:18<buckie555>how do I configure the profile to see it as a disk image before booting it?
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04:19<SelfishMan>buckie555: Edit the profile then under the 'Drive Setup' section set one of the devices to that image then save and boot the profile
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04:21<CrAzYnEwGuY>My connection isn't exactly fast, Dallas or Newark? I'm guessing a ping to those links would give a good indication?
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04:23<buckie555>selfishman - thanks for the help, I'll give it a try and see how I get on. Hopefully I'll never have to use the remote image, it's just belt and braces incase the linode I'm on has a unrecoverable hardware failure or the company disappears off the face of the planet. Thanks for all your help.
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04:24<SelfishMan>buckie555: I recommend grabbing a baseline image when major changes are made and then just running rsync to keep the data current
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04:25<buckie555>sounds like a plan
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04:36<CrAzYnEwGuY>bugger, too much choice with linux distros :P
04:37<SelfishMan>Go with Ubuntu 7.10
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04:38<CrAzYnEwGuY>I've been using ub8
04:38<SelfishMan>then use that
04:38<Eman>Ubuntu Wanking Walrus?
04:39<DephNet[Paul]>7,10 SelfishMan, thats a year old
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04:40<SelfishMan>I know but it works. Too many problems with 8.04
04:40<DephNet[Paul]>wait a few more days and 8.10 will be out :P
04:40<Eman>i use Windows 2003.4
04:40<Eman>:D
04:41*DephNet[Paul] spits on Windows
04:42<CrAzYnEwGuY>is there any benefit to using 64bit on linode?
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04:44<SelfishMan>CrAzYnEwGuY: No
04:44<SelfishMan>unless you use software that is 64-bit specific
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04:47<@jadoba>yawn...
04:49<SelfishMan>I'm sure it is but nothing I've seen actually utilizes those enhancements on a Linode
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04:51<SelfishMan>So, are you saying there is a measurable gain running a 64-bit distro on a Linode?
04:52<SelfishMan>That didn't really answer the question though
04:53<SelfishMan>Is there a measurable gain running the Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit image on a Linode vs the 32-bit image?
04:54<SelfishMan>Well that is really the question then
04:54<SelfishMan>Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 64-bit and the amd64 stuff whenever possible
04:55<SelfishMan>Although it wasn't long ago I couldn't run the latest stable build of perl on a 64-bit node because of several known issues
04:56<SelfishMan>I highly doubt anyone will see any major improvement with a 64-bit image on a Linode
04:57<booja>epeen
04:58<SelfishMan>The issue with Perl was memory leak related at the time not to mention several packages were unusable
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06:26<mikeage>does anyone here use php-fastcgi?
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06:53<golb>yes
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07:16<Eman>i just LOVE how ie7 crashes when you go download things on sourceforge
07:17<SelfishMan>boo
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07:30<A-KO>Eman: that's your computer
07:30<A-KO>not IE
07:30<Eman>then how come its happened on multiple new installs?
07:31<Eman>different hardware, different machines, winxp vs win2k3
07:32<A-KO>Not sure, but it doesn't occur here. I use IE7/IE8/FF3/Chrome regularly (with IE7 and Chrome dominating my daily usage) and have never experienced that with sf, which I download a lot of projects from both at home and at work.
07:32<A-KO>across XP SP2/SP3 and Vista/Vista SP1
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08:28<rc1985>hello! on the web interface linode is saying to me that Im using all my space. df -h shows im using only 12%. so, should trust on df -h over linode?
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08:28<StevenK>Two different meaursements
08:28<A-KO>the website simply says that you've allocated all of your space available to a distribution
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08:29<Ercan>Hello
08:29<A-KO>hi
08:29<rc1985>A-KO: I see. so it is not about usage.
08:29<A-KO>nope
08:29<rc1985>:]
08:29<rc1985>thank you
08:30<Ercan>i vant irc hosting
08:31<Ercan>your server best speed ?
08:31<Ercan>hi
08:33<A-KO>Ercan: This is community support, but if you want to host an IRC server look at the requirements for the network you're wishing to link up to and go from there. I know a lot of networks put bandwidth requirements within linode's grasp but depending on the size can get pretty hefty.
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09:24<pb>lo
09:24<pb>ne1 knows how to mount a colinux ext3 image in linux?
09:26<path->mount /image /mnt
09:27<Isvara>As loopback devices dealt with automatically now?
09:27<Isvara>s/As/Are/
09:27<path->probably not
09:27<path->i'd imagine that'd be in the man page
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09:28<pb>okay let me rephrase my question
09:28<path->mount -t ext3 -o loop /foo.img /mntpoint
09:28<pb>i have a colinux image
09:28<path->what is that?
09:28<pb>and i want to migrate that to my linode server
09:29<pb>can i do that?
09:29<Isvara>mount /imagefile /mnt -t ext3 -o loop=/dev/loop0
09:29<path->http://thegrebs.com/~michael/custom_howto/
09:29<path->check that out
09:30<path->maybe you could just boot your linode with finnix and write your colinux file to the linode
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09:30<path->you might need to boot your colinux with finnix to access the disk image file with dd
09:31<pb>@.@
09:31<pb>im confused
09:31<path->you have colinux running somewhere already?
09:31<Isvara>pb: Then you should probably get someone to do it for you, or you'll cock it up in unexpected ways.
09:32<pb>someone from support?
09:33<mikeage>golb -- are you still around?
09:34<path->pb, i don't think someone from support will do this for you
09:34<path->do you have colinux running already?
09:34<pb>yes
09:34<pb>i have it on another pc
09:35<pb>i also have the ext3 file XD
09:35<path->well, you can't just upload an ext3 file to linode
09:35<path->i'm not that familiar with colinux
09:35<pb>i rarred to to multiple files
09:35<path->but you could use the custom howto to boot your linode with finnix
09:35<pb>4GB to 700mb
09:36<path->then scp your ext3 file to the linode
09:37<path->then use "dd if=ext3.img of=/dev/xvdb" or whatever the device is on your linode
09:37<path->after you unrar it
09:37<path->i'm not sure if rar is in finnix
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09:37<path->then you might actually be able to boot your colinux image
09:38<path->you'll need to change ip addresses and fiddle with the fstab and inittab, but it might work
09:38<wklnfgwd>hi. does the linode kernel remount / as ro when anything encounters an IO error, or what?
09:38<path->linode doesn't, but the linux kernel does
09:40<wklnfgwd>oh, i see. it's a mount option. errors=remount-ro.
09:40<path->did that happen to you?
09:40<wklnfgwd>yes.
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09:41<path->tune2fs -l /dev/xvda |grep "Block size"
09:41<wklnfgwd>i have some apparently-corrupted mysql tables, and mysqlcheck --repair provokes an IO error. and i can't remount rw.
09:41<path->what is your block size?
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09:41<path->mysql repair shouldn't cause io errors like that
09:42<wklnfgwd>Block size is 1024.
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09:42<path->there is an older xen bug with 1024 block size
09:42<path->your host may be older
09:43<wklnfgwd>i get "attempt to access beyond end of device" in syslog.
09:43<wklnfgwd>e.g. http://rafb.net/p/fWIv4W97.html
09:44<wklnfgwd>(when i run mysqlcheck)
09:44<path->you should convert your filesystem to 4k blocks
09:44<path->there is a tool to do that
09:44<path->i'm trying to find the link
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09:45<mikeage>does anyone know if there's a way I can find the _total_ memory used by several processes? I.e., their memory + the memory shared between them counted only once?
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09:46<path->https://www.linode.com/members/linode/images_convert.cfm
09:46<path->wklnfgwd: ^
09:46<wklnfgwd>path-: i found ("ext fs 1024 4k block size convert") a page on the linode forum that... ah. thanks!
09:46<path->yea, they made it a hidden tool
09:47<path->you'll need to shutdown your node, and it does a fsck before
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09:48<wklnfgwd>ok. i guess i should backup my data first.
09:48<path->can't hurt
09:49<tozz>oh, I had some old 1024 blocks too
09:49<tozz>need to fix that then
09:49<path->i heard they fixed it in xen, but they need to reboot the host and i guess they don't just go around rebooting hosts
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09:49<pb>how do i add packages in my fedora 6
09:50<path->yum install package
09:53<wklnfgwd>path-: you rock. thanks. we have backups from last night, and are just taking another right now, then we'll try the converter.
09:54<path->thank linode staff, they made the tool :)
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09:58<straterra>TOOL!
09:59<@tasaro>46 and 2
10:00<pb>yum is slow at updating is that normal?
10:02<@mikegrb>yes
10:06<pb>which ftp server you guys recommend? yum install?
10:06<pb>XD
10:07*path- pictures SpaceHobo in a pirate costume
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10:11*jkwood has pictures of SpaceHobo in a pirate costume
10:12<jkwood>$950.23.
10:12<jkwood>Pretty much.
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10:56<@tasaro>Rails Rumble voting open --> http://railsrumble.com/
10:56<@tasaro>Random voters are winning amazon.com gift certs
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11:01<ferik2>how quickly do MX records propagte ?
11:01<ferik2>propagate
11:02<anderiv>ferik2: same as any other DNS record really. It all depends on the configuration of the server.
11:02<@jadoba>tasaro: can I vote?
11:02<anderiv>ferik2: usually, pretty quick, though.
11:02<ferik2>if I gave you a domain name, could you verify what you see ?
11:03<anderiv>ferik2: sure
11:03*path- is creating a cypherpunk login for one of the entries
11:03<ferik2>anderiv: I am seeing issues 12 hours later or more
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11:04<path->http://assassin.r08.railsrumble.com/games/be9e9750f3942a33df831b7b9c925d35a0c5a533
11:04<@jadoba>ferik2: which one of your linodes' rDNS is not working correctly?
11:05<ferik2>thinkingdiver.com
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11:05<ferik2>it worked from some smtp servers, not from others
11:06<anderiv>ferik2: http://p.linode.com/1383
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11:07*jadoba might need coffee this morning...
11:08<ferik2>anderiv: so it looks good, right ?
11:08<ferik2>anderiv: must have eventually propagated
11:09<ferik2>ferik2: thank you
11:09<anderiv>well there are certainly plenty of MX records. I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, though. You're the only one that can decide that.
11:09<anderiv>ferik2: talking to yourself?
11:09<ferik2>:)
11:10<ferik2>anderiv: it's supposed to look like that, thank you. I didn't know the dig command
11:10<anderiv>ferik2: cool. dig is a great tool.
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11:14<r3z>Wow Rackspace bought slicehost?
11:15<anderiv>r3z: old news, man.
11:15<anderiv>:-)
11:15<anderiv>that was *so* yesterday
11:15<anderiv>they bought JungleDisk as well.
11:15<anderiv>I'm more bummed about that then slicehost, as I'm actually a pretty heavy JungleDisk user.
11:16*r3z has never used jungledisk
11:16<anderiv>it's basically a front-end for Amazon's S3. It's used for performing backups.
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11:18<r3z>ya
11:18<r3z>caker, any update on linode backup solutions?
11:22<@tasaro>r3z: actively being developed
11:22<det>r3z, rsnapshot or rdiff-backup to your home machine :-)
11:22*r3z needs a solution pretty soon.
11:22<zeroday>rsync.net
11:22<r3z>Iam looking at just using a 1and1 hosting package to get the 120gb for $5\month
11:22<zeroday>£4 a month = win
11:23<r3z>I could care less about the hosting but looks like cheap storage.
11:23<JasonF>you'll get cancelled for that
11:23<r3z>I can setup software to backup over FTP.
11:23<JasonF>look at jungle disk + s3
11:23<r3z>Bleh I can front a website heh
11:23<r3z>I have 2 domains still registered with 1and1 I dont use.
11:23<JasonF>i know people who've done it and gotten caught, so *Shrug*
11:23<det>jungledisk was just bought by rackspace along with slicehost :-)
11:24<r3z>Ya.
11:24<Isvara>r3z: You *couldn't* care less. Yeesh.
11:24<JasonF>det: I work for Mailtrust, a division of Rackspace
11:24<JasonF>so, yeah :)
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11:24<r3z>Used to have a friend work for rackspace.
11:24<r3z>Well guy I knew online atleast.
11:24<@mikegrb>lolz
11:24<r3z>Cant even remember his name now.lol
11:24<fo0bar>lolz
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11:24<@mikegrb>lolz
11:24<r3z>lol ftw
11:24<fo0bar>lolz
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11:25<Isvara>lollerskates
11:25<r3z>I gotta back up my wifes stuff from a windows box.
11:25<r3z>Mostly pictures and so forth
11:25<Isvara>Pictures, eh? Eh? EH?
11:25*Isvara nudges
11:25<JasonF>seriously. I use s3 for backup with a custom script I wrote
11:26<lakin>My company needs access to a few remote windows installations for stuff like: testing sites in different versions of IE, etc. Now, a single linode account doesn't allow me to run multiple OSes at the same time by default right? But would it be feasible to install Ubuntu, and then Xen to achieve it? (Now I'm running Windows on Xen on Ubuntu on Xen on (Linode's server OS))
11:26<r3z>Pictures of my kids dumbass!
11:26<r3z>:-p
11:26<ferik2>I have an old host that's not Xen and a new host that's now set up the way I like it (and is Xen). What's the best way for me to keep an archive of the old before I de-comission it and an archive of the new Xen host before I go live with the new web site. Possibly archives that I could upload in some way and start up ASAP if needed to ?
11:26<JasonF>when/if I can get Jungle Disk for cheap/free I'll probably change to that. Hell, I probbaly would've bought it if I known it existed before writing my own
11:26<r3z>heh
11:27*path- goes to get more coffee
11:27<zeroday>r3z: why not just join up to rsync.net and set up a daily/weekly cron to encrypt and copy the data over?
11:27<zeroday>they also do geo-redundant backups
11:29<r3z>rsync too expensive.
11:29*r3z is looking for cheap ;)
11:29<r3z>Jungledisk does look like a good alternative ;)
11:29<zeroday>you get what you pay for
11:30<zeroday>$1.60 p/m, how is that expensive?
11:30<JasonF>I've had no problems with S3, and I trust that when jungledisk is ported to Rackspace/Mosso Cloud Files, that it'll be pretty great, too.
11:30<zeroday>per gig
11:30<JasonF>zeroday: it's more expensive than s3, for sure
11:31<zeroday>s3 doesnt support rsync without extra apps
11:31<zeroday>otherwise i would have used them
11:31*ferik2 if wondering if someone read his question :)
11:31<ferik2>I have an old host that's not Xen and a new host that's now set up the way I like it (and is Xen). What's the best way for me to keep an archive of the old before I de-comission it and an archive of the new Xen host before I go live with the new web site. Possibly archives that I could upload in some way and start up ASAP if needed to ?
11:32<tierra>rsync.net has always been a ripoff... I remember getting a 50% off rsync.net card at Defcon 12 or 13, and it was still more expensive than bqbackup.com
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11:32<anderiv>ferik2: you can download an image of your linode.
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11:32<tierra>it still is more than twice the price
11:32<zeroday>meh, they seem fine to me
11:32<zeroday>£4 a month, cant complain
11:33<zeroday>if the UK -> US exchange rate went in the US' favour, I might worry
11:33<ferik2>anderiv: how ?
11:33<tierra>in fact, it's more than 3 times the price of bqbackup.com right now
11:33<anderiv>ferik2: one sec...there's a howto somewhere in the forums
11:34<A-KO>http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10106&Itemid=1 < mmmmmm
11:35<r3z>zeroday, I have about 50GB of tuff to backup
11:35<anderiv>ferik2: do you have another *nix box to work from?
11:35<anderiv>ferik2: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2709
11:36<zeroday>heh
11:36<anderiv>ferik2: if so, you can just follow that tutorial, but instead of copying from one linode to another, you're copying from one linode to your other linux box.
11:36<JasonF>zeroday: I had 20G in s3, and my bill was $3.78
11:36<JasonF><3 cheap storage
11:37<JasonF>(Rackspace Cloud Files will be one penny per GB cheaper)
11:37<JasonF>wheeeeeeee
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11:37<Isvara>What's the interface to S3?
11:38<anderiv>Isvara: http
11:38<JasonF>Isvara: api-based.
11:38<JasonF>I'm using s3cmd as a client
11:38<zeroday>another reason I didnt sign up to S3, they dont accept Solo cards for payment
11:38<Isvara>Ah, so you can't serve directly from it?
11:38<zeroday>yet they accept that for amazon shop
11:38<anderiv>Isvara: yes, you can.
11:38<JasonF>but you can use something more abstract like duplicity or jungle disk
11:39<Isvara>So I could use it for something bigstaticfiles.mydomain.com?
11:39<Isvara>s/something/something like/
11:39<JasonF>yessir.
11:39<anderiv>Isvara: yes, for sure.
11:39<JasonF>you pay for the data transfer
11:39<Isvara>I'll have to look into that, then.
11:39<JasonF>$.10/gig for transfer
11:39<JasonF>from s3
11:39<JasonF>Isvara: or check out the new mosso cloud files thing... it automatically puts the files into the Limelight CDN /ad
11:39<Isvara>Oh?
11:39*Isvara looks
11:40<JDLSpeedy>does connecting within the linode with your linode ip count towards bandwidth?
11:40<anderiv>JDLSpeedy: huh?
11:40<Isvara>How's it compare pricewise? And is S3 distributed enough to be a CDN?
11:40<anderiv>JDLSpeedy: you mean loopback connections?
11:40<anderiv>Isvara: S3 != CDN
11:40<r3z>JDLSpeedy, from another linode or from the same linode?
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11:40<Isvara>S3 just has one serving location?
11:41<anderiv>Isvara: though Amazon announce a month ago or so that they're working on a CDN
11:41<JDLSpeedy>r3z: same
11:41<anderiv>Isvara: no, they have several DCs around the globe, but it's not robost enough to be considered a "true" CDN.
11:41<anderiv>Isvara: Akamai-style CDN anyway.
11:41<JDLSpeedy>anderiv: the IP that linode assigns us, if you connect with that ip inside the same linode
11:42<A-KO>JDLSpeedy: no
11:42<JDLSpeedy>A-KO: ok thanks
11:46<JasonF>Isvara: price is cheaper
11:46<JasonF>real problem is that the new cloud files has no real clients yet
11:47<ferik2>anderiv: yes, I have another linux box to work from
11:47<Isvara>Looks more expensive. $0.15/GB for the storage and $0.22/GB for the bandwidth.
11:47<JasonF>I didn't see the b/w costs
11:47<Isvara>It's in the pricing chart
11:49<ferik2>anderiv: dumps through ssh a node A disk to another node B disk.
11:49<anderiv>ferik2: yes
11:49<ferik2>anderiv: what if I don't want to dump it to a device but to a file, is that possible ?
11:49<anderiv>ferik2: ^^
11:49<ferik2>anderiv: great, thank you
11:49<anderiv>sure
11:50<JasonF>Isvara: I'm just going by what was told in the big press event
11:50<JasonF>I haven't looked that in-depth at it
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11:56<Isvara>Oh, I can ping alex-becketts-laptop.local
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11:59<ferik2>anderiv: I would need ext2fs drivers on a mac to be able to mount that, right ?
12:00<anderiv>ferik2: yes, assuming you're using ext[2|3] on your linode.
12:01<ferik2>anderiv: thanks a lot for your help today
12:01<anderiv>ferik2: sure thing
12:02<ferik2>anderiv: on a linux system, would I be able to mount this image (in a file) as if it was on a device or do I need to dump it on a device first
12:03<anderiv>ferik2: you can do something like: mount -o loop /path/to/img /path/to/mountpoint
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12:07<amok>If I add a rule to iptables from the command line does it only reside until a restart to iptables?
12:08<Pryon>yes
12:08<anderiv>amok: correct
12:08<amok>ok, thanks
12:08<anderiv>amok: or iptables --flush
12:08<anderiv>amok: that'll nuke it as well.
12:09<amok>k
12:11<JasonF>the concept of "restarting iptables" doesn't exist in every distro, amok
12:11<JasonF>just fyi :)
12:11<anderiv>JasonF: good point.
12:11<JasonF>in fact, I think it's a redhat-ism
12:12<JasonF>I'm pretty certain debian/ubuntu have no iptables initscripts
12:12<Pryon>there's always foowall (i.e. shorewall)
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12:12<Pryon>s/i.e./e.g./
12:12<path->ubuntu comes with ufw
12:12<m0unds>i use my own script for firewalling my linode running 8.04
12:13<path->so there's a /etc/init.d/ufw script
12:13<m0unds>initializes iptables with allowed ports and reads from a blacklist and whitelist
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12:23<indigophone>hi Pryon
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13:17<ferik2>anderiv: anyway I can checksum the dd before and after ssh copy ?
13:18<Isvara>Tricky
13:20<Isvara>Actually, it looks like you can run md5sum on a block device.
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13:45<ferik2>should I install 64bit libraries on a XEN debian or normal ?
13:45<Pryon>what kernel are you running?
13:45<ferik2>the basic one that came with debian 4.0 on Xen on Linode
13:45<bd_>ferik2: if you're on the default kernel you'll only eb able to use 32-bit
13:46<ferik2>bd_: thanks
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14:22<A-KO>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms08-067.mspx
14:22<A-KO>for those that run Windows
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14:23<anderiv>A-KO: yah - I just told my WSUS server to re-synchronize to see if I can push that out yet to all my systems.
14:23<A-KO>yeah it shouldn't affect the internet much
14:23<A-KO>but internal LANs, lulz
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14:27<anderiv>!avail
14:27<linbot>anderiv: Linode360 - 46, Linode540 - 26, Linode720 - 23, Linode1080 - 10, Linode1440 - 7, Linode2880 - 5
14:27<anderiv>!avail-tp
14:27<linbot>anderiv: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 12, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
14:27<jkwood>!no-avail
14:27*linbot slaps jkwood
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14:32<KB1PYW>linode link on the front page of techcrunch
14:32<KB1PYW>i hate techcrunch..
14:34<pi_>what's the command for russian roulette again
14:34<pi_>!spin
14:34<pi_>!roll
14:34<kilowhisky>hi people
14:34<anderiv>!rr
14:34<linbot>anderiv: *click*
14:35<pi_>ah
14:35<pi_>!rr
14:35<linbot>pi_: *click*
14:35<kilowhisky>Toronto, ON / Mostly Cloudy / 49¡ÆF 9¡ÆC / Humidity: 54% / Wind: SW at 3 mph
14:35<kilowhisky>holy shoot its cold
14:35<anderiv>kilowhisky: hello
14:35<pi_>!wz KUL
14:35<kilowhisky>hey hey!
14:35<kilowhisky>does anyone know what tumblr is?
14:36<anderiv>sure
14:36<kilowhisky>if i want my root domain to host that
14:36<kilowhisky>do i edit "blank" and "www" a-record?
14:36<kilowhisky>and keep the sub-domains connected to linode to keep it workin
14:37<kilowhisky>oh
14:37<bd_> for some reason my font has 00B0 and 2103, but no 2109
14:37<kilowhisky>Toronto, ON / Mostly Cloudy / 49°F 9°C / Humidity: 54% / Wind: SW at 3 mph
14:37<kilowhisky>does that make any difference?
14:37<kilowhisky>;p
14:38<anderiv>huh - it's 49F here as well.
14:38<kilowhisky>where u from?
14:38<anderiv>Minneapolis
14:38<kilowhisky>Minneapolis, MN / Mostly Cloudy / 51°F 11°C / Humidity: 57% / Wind: E at 16 mph
14:38<kilowhisky>ya
14:39<kilowhisky>i'm not used to farenheits
14:40<kilowhisky>aye
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14:41<A-KO>I use F and C interchangeably
14:41<A-KO>it's weird and confusing at times, on all fronts.
14:41<@mikegrb>lolz
14:41<A-KO>lol
14:41<fo0bar>lolz
14:42<A-KO>Like, if I talk to some people in other countries, sometimes they assume I'll just speak in F and they need to do the conversion to C since I'm American. My phone reports temperature in C, PC is set to C, so when people ask me what temperature it is I do a conversion for them. And of course, I live around F all the time so I can generally use both.
14:42<A-KO></random tidbit>
14:42<kilowhisky>pain in the butt ;\
14:44<A-KO>I learned it from using temperature reporting tools on my PC, having spent a lot of time in overclocker forums and on forums that had a primarily non-US-based group, I learned it quickly.
14:44<tjfontaine>SpaceHobo: warewolf?
14:44<A-KO>yeah I do things like that
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14:44<A-KO>10C = 50F, 32C ~ 90F or so
14:44<tjfontaine>awooo warewolves of ...
14:45<A-KO>it generally gets the point across, I'm never exact, but never too far off
14:45<@mikegrb>lolz
14:45<A-KO>lol
14:45<fo0bar>lolz
14:45<exor674>21C go! <_<
14:45<kilowhisky>ya 25+..
14:45<jkwood>tjfontaine: THERE wolf.
14:45<Pryon>!calc 25 celsius in fahrenheit
14:45<linbot>Pryon: 25 degrees Celsius = 77 degrees Fahrenheit
14:45<tjfontaine>THERE!
14:45<@mikegrb>lolz
14:45<A-KO>lol
14:45<fo0bar>lolz
14:45<kilowhisky>ha
14:45<exor674>!calc 50 celsius in fahrenheit
14:45<Pryon>That's just getting comfortable!
14:45<linbot>exor674: 50 degrees Celsius = 122 degrees Fahrenheit
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14:46<A-KO>!calc 92 fahrenheit in celsius
14:46<linbot>A-KO: 92 degrees Fahrenheit = 33.3333333 degrees Celsius
14:46<A-KO>eh close neough
14:46<@mikegrb>lolz
14:46<A-KO>lol
14:46<fo0bar>lolz
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14:46<exor674>needs moar threes!
14:47<tjfontaine>moar cores
14:47<kilowhisky>how difficult would it be, to setup an irc server on my linode 360
14:47<A-KO>Intel is answering that call tjfontaine, with their 80-core CPU that as of yet does not run a modern OS..
14:47<exor674>80 core?
14:47<A-KO>yes
14:47<tjfontaine>so it runs VAX?
14:48<@mikegrb>lolz
14:48<A-KO>actually I don't think it runs anything really important at this point, lol. I thin kthey're still working on some basic stuff and power management, etc.
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14:48<fo0bar>lolz
14:48-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*@feh.colobox.com] by FloodServ
14:48<tjfontaine>sigh
14:48<@mikegrb>roflz
14:48<tjfontaine>rofl
14:48<@mikegrb>thanks tjfontaine <3
14:48<tjfontaine>first order of business, deploy new services
14:48<tjfontaine>mikegrb: no problemo
14:48<@mikegrb><3
14:48<tjfontaine>hi wklnfgwd
14:49<path->loz
14:49<wklnfgwd>hi.
14:49<path->fail
14:49*path- hides
14:49<wklnfgwd>path-: (the converter is now "in progress")
14:51<jkwood>kilowhisky: I don't know. Have you ever set up an irc server before?
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14:51<kilowhisky>nope.. setting up linode was first time for me.. but i thought it would be worth a try
14:51<kilowhisky>something challenging
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14:53<wklnfgwd>it's pretty trivial to set up an irc server.
14:53<A-KO>unrealircd
14:53<tjfontaine>not that you should
14:53<A-KO>it's probably one of the more complicated ones though
14:53<kilowhisky>i see..
14:53<tjfontaine>ircds may be trivial to set up, they are non-trivial to secure
14:53<A-KO>yeah
14:54<kilowhisky>ahh
14:57<kilowhisky>which competitive vps service provider would you pick, besides linode
14:57<tjfontaine>linode
14:58<tjfontaine>iow I wouldn't
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15:03<kilowhisky>aye
15:06<wklnfgwd>success!
15:09<Peng_>!avail-he
15:09<linbot>Peng_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 3, Fremont720 - 1, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
15:09*Peng_ hides
15:09<Peng_>Ooooh, a 720
15:10<Peng_>If only I had money. Or wanted a Fremont720.
15:10<tozz>hehe
15:10<bd_>'or'?
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15:14<tozz>hm, I was looking at CDN plans and there's a mention of anycast, is it something I would setup on the server? (not really into the whole dns thing) :)
15:15<tozz>I get the idea and purpose, just not the setup
15:16<bd_>heh, anycasting isn't something you can do unless you own the address space and the network links yourself :)
15:16<bd_>you could put geolocation logic on a dns server that you run on the linode, I guess, but you'd be writing that yourself, probably
15:17<tozz>ok, but the whole purpose is for the visitor to resolve the closest server as I understand it
15:17<tjfontaine>oftcdns
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15:18<tozz>wouldn't my CNAME have to point to something special then?
15:18<bd_>tozz: well
15:18<bd_>if the CDN is taking care of anycast
15:18<bd_>then just follow their docs
15:18<bd_>:)
15:18<bd_>usually you'll CNAME to something they give you
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15:19<tozz>ah, so the request acutally passes me and then it's handled
15:19<tozz>so no matter where in the world I would be the dns resolve would be the same but the server would not
15:19<bd_>well the point of the CDN is it's going to handle most of your requests
15:19<bd_>so basically your dns config will say 'ask this CDN over here'
15:20<bd_>and then a miracle happens
15:20<bd_>and then the user gets the image or whatever
15:20<tozz>yeah, ok
15:20<tozz>worried for nothing
15:20<tozz>thanks :)
15:20<@mikegrb>s/miracle/fskin brillian miracle/
15:20<tjfontaine>orly
15:20<@mikegrb>ja
15:20<@mikegrb>CDN is magic stuff
15:20<@mikegrb>just ask luca
15:21<bd_>I always wonder how CDNs can locate cached copies in other nodes without creating too much lookup traffic/latency...
15:21<@mikegrb>that's the magic part
15:21<bd_>:o
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15:23<exor674>bd_:gerbils!
15:23<exor674>lots of trained gerbils
15:23<bd_>oh
15:23<bd_>makes sense
15:25<jkwood>Not THAT kind of trained gerbil.
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15:37<@mikegrb>http://thegrebs.com/~michael/linode_chuck_norris_approved.png
15:37<@mikegrb>fsk
15:37<@mikegrb>they changed it
15:38<@mikegrb>I promise Chuck norris was one of the links when I went to take the screen shot :/
15:39<@mikegrb>there we go
15:39<@mikegrb>png replace
15:39<@mikegrb>d
15:39<path->whatcha been smoking?
15:39<@mikegrb>path-: http://thegrebs.com/~michael/linode_chuck_norris_approved.png
15:39<jkwood>mikegrb: Verra nice.
15:39<path->:)
15:39<path->out of band!
15:40<@mikegrb>yes linode has out of band chuck norris access
15:40<@jadoba>and cloning...
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15:42*jkwood clones jadoba's chuck norris access out of band
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15:44*jadoba chucks jkwood's band out of norris clone access
15:45<@jadoba>... or something
15:45<nokess>hi all ... need some advice
15:45<nokess>I've installed mod_python
15:46<nokess>what do I need to add to the apache conf
15:47<nokess>LoadModule directive for mod_python
15:47<jkwood>jadoba: You understand! ^5
15:47<nokess>to start
15:47<@jadoba>jkwood: that's what I do... it's my job
15:48-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*@feh.colobox.com] by FloodServ
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15:48<@mikegrb>lolz
15:48<exor674>aww! (lol)
15:48<fo0bar>lolz
15:49<@mikegrb>careful, I sick tjfontaine on you
15:49<nokess>the /etc/httpd/modules doesn't seem to have mod
15:49<nokess>_python.so (or whatever the mod_python module is named)
15:50<nokess>I am running CentOS and have installed mod_python through yum
15:51<nokess>ah damn ...
15:51<nokess>mod_python.so is there in modules
15:51<nokess>sorry ...
15:52<nokess>oh how I miss windows !
15:52<exor674>....! blasphmy!
15:53<path->yea, with windows you just reboot
15:53<path->three times
15:53<jkwood>nokess: That's what you get for running CentOS.
15:53<nokess>seriously ain't remote desktop so much cooler then an ssh terminal :)
15:53<path->no
15:53<path->it's too slow
15:53<jkwood>http://instantrimshot.com
15:54<SelfishMan>Um...no comment
15:54<jkwood>nokess: you have NO idea.
15:54<SelfishMan>I'm running an openvpn tunnel to use remote desktop to connect to a remote desktop to connect via SSH to a server right now
15:54<SelfishMan>So, basically, they all suck
15:54<path->real men don't use mice
15:55<path->real women too
15:55<SelfishMan>Who said anything about using a mouse?
15:55<SelfishMan>Keyboard shortcuts FTW
15:55<nokess>real men don't use computers too ... they prefer a woman's company
15:55<path->yea, i'd rather not
15:56<nokess>:)
15:57<nokess>ok back to being a woosy ... what's the loadmodule directive for mod_pythion?
15:58<@mikegrb>LoadModule python_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_python.so
15:58<@mikegrb>or wherever
15:58<SelfishMan>a2enmod python?!?
15:58<@mikegrb>will also need to SetHandler mod_python
15:58<path->he's using centos
15:58<SelfishMan>Oh. I'm sorry.
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15:59<path->on one is perfect
16:00<nokess>thanks .... LoadModule python_module modules/mod_python.so worked
16:01<SelfishMan>Hmm...where is the centos trigger when you need one?!?
16:01<jkwood>! people still use CentOS?!?!
16:01<SelfishMan>Yay!
16:01<SelfishMan>almost as funny as the Slackware trigger
16:02<SelfishMan>Uh... Slackware
16:02<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
16:02<SelfishMan>I ... Slackware
16:02<SelfishMan>ha!
16:02<jkwood>!meme mikegrb
16:02<jkwood>Whoops.
16:02<jkwood>! people still use mikegrb?!?!
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16:10<nokess>how much swap size is recommended?
16:11<nokess>I m on a linode 360 and
16:11<nokess>am trying to decide whther to set the swap
16:11<nokess>to 360 or 720
16:12<Peng_>I used 512 MB. :P
16:13<A-KO>I've got 256
16:13<A-KO>it really depends on what you'll be doing
16:13<Peng_>IMO 256 or 360 is a good idea.
16:13<exor674>I generaly do 512 but get worried if I use any
16:14<@mikegrb>lolz
16:14<booja>lol I'm running 256 on my 540
16:14<fo0bar>lolz
16:14<booja>whoops :D
16:15<nokess>centos recommends swap equal to or doublr the ram
16:16<nokess>http://www.centos.org/docs/4/html/rhel-sag-en-4/ch-swapspace.html
16:16<booja>good thing I'm not running centos then, heh
16:17<nokess>what are you on?
16:17<jkwood>Using double the ram is an outdated concept.
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16:19<path->i wouldn't use any more than 256mb and if you use any of that, you should upgrade your linode plan to accomodate your needs
16:19<SelfishMan>I fully agree with path-
16:20<path->\o/
16:20<nokess>makes sense
16:20<path->i just like making the \o/ thingy
16:20<SelfishMan>256MB is more than enough but 512MB is a little IO aggressive. 512MB is only good when you need it to save your ass while you learn your needs.
16:20*SelfishMan sweeps the node with a 512MB swap under the rug
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16:26<linbot>New news from forums: firehol issues in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3620>
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16:27<booja>nokess: slack is what I run
16:27<booja>because I hate myself, according to SOME people
16:28<jkwood>And it Just Works (TM)
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16:28<jkwood>Well, I'm out, folks. Take care.
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16:29<booja>seeya wood
16:30<nokess>whats the difference between restart and reload (https can be restart or reload .. )
16:30<nokess>https = httpd
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16:32<Palintheus>nokess: http://mail.lon-capa.org/pipermail/lon-capa-admin/2004-July/000606.html
16:32<path->reload send the HUP signal to the httpd process
16:33<Palintheus>fwiw I just googled 'httpd restart vs reload'
16:33<path->restart will stop the httpd process and then start it again
16:33<path->google is amazing
16:33<tjfontaine>depends on the init script really
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16:33<tjfontaine>traditionally restart is stop && start
16:36<nokess>ah ok ... I must google more before using the humans here
16:37<booja>depends, if you know the right questions to ask goog is awesome
16:37<Palintheus>I was just commenting that I didn't know and that's where I found it ;)
16:37<booja>otherwise, not so much
16:38<nokess>yeah, sometimes it is just wasier to ask here then Google ... sometimes it's just plain laziness :)
16:38<nokess>*wasier = easier
16:38<TofuMatt>No, I like wasier
16:39<TofuMatt>way + easier
16:39<nokess>:how about wsr
16:39<booja>now you're taking it too far :P
16:39<nokess>ts wy shrtr
16:40*booja stabs nokess
16:40<Pryon>wayne shorter?
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16:40<nokess> '<
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16:41<booja>cousin wayne
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16:41<booja>someone cut him off at the knees
16:41<booja>nick name is tripod now
16:42<tjfontaine>I was born a tripod
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16:42<booja>hurrr
16:43<nokess>which one is the real mysql?
16:43<nokess>sudo yum install mysql-server
16:43<nokess>sudo yum install mysql
16:43<nokess>sudo yum install mysql-devel
16:43<anderiv>nokess: mysql-server
16:43<anderiv>that will install mysql (which is the client) as well.
16:44<anderiv>nokess: mysql-devel installs the mysql libraries, which you really only need if you'll be compiling something against mysql.
16:44<nokess>ah ok ...
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16:47<nokess>does this install the 32 bit or the 64 bit version of mysql?
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16:47<tjfontaine>it installs what's right for your distro
16:48<nokess>hmm ...
16:48<tjfontaine>if you're running a 64bit kernel, and installed the 64bit version of the os, then maybe the distro compiled it with as much support for 64bit that mysql offers
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16:49<tjfontaine>if you didn't make a concious effort to select a 64bit distro, you're likely going to get 32bit version
16:49<tjfontaine>conscious
16:50<nokess>I used the linode distro wizrd to install CentOS
16:50<nokess>is that 64 bit or 32 bit?
16:50<nokess>*wizrd = wizard
16:51<tjfontaine>I only see one option currently for a 64bit os on the deploy wizard, and that's Ubuntu 8.04
16:51<HoopyCat>i believe it's 32-bit, although if you're logged in, uname -a will give you the kernel version and architecture
16:52<nokess>uname -a says
16:52<nokess>Linux li49-167 2.6.18.8-linode10 #2 SMP Sat Jul 19 20:24:32 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
16:53<HoopyCat>that'd be a 32-bit kernel
16:53<nokess>oh ...
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16:54<nokess>wonder why linode doesn't use a 64 bit centos distro ...?
16:56<Pryon>Not much good unless you're getting a linode with > 3GB RAM
16:56<HoopyCat>probably because noone has asked and/or most people are still choosing the 32-bit option for ubuntu even with the 64-bit image available
16:56<tjfontaine>or have very specific applications that benefit from full 64bit ops
16:57<nokess>hmm ...
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16:58<bd_>64-bit code requires (somewhat) more memory, remember
16:58<bd_>due to larger pointers
16:58<nokess>don't program compiled for 64 bit run fatser?
16:58<bd_>nokess: it depends
16:58<bd_>they have a larger cache footprint due to larger pointers
16:58<bd_>but
16:59<bd_>they have more general purpose registers
16:59<tjfontaine>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Pros_and_cons
16:59<bd_>and a more sane calling convention
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17:00<nokess>guess until there are more 64 bit programs out there, migration will be slow ...
17:00<bd_>nokess: well in point of fact
17:00<bd_>most programs don't benefit much from enlarged integer types, or more address space
17:01<bd_>however LOTS of programs can use the extra registers
17:01<bd_>and the extra registers don't take any work to take advantage of :)
17:01<HoopyCat>in a low-memory VPS situation where you have plenty of CPU but not a lot of memory, i'd say 32-bit is probably the win
17:01<bd_>yeah
17:01<bd_>I'd agree there
17:01<bd_>otoh on my laptop, where I have 2.5G of RAM, I go all 64-bit :)
17:02<HoopyCat>it's all tradeoffs :-)
17:02<nokess>I am bit confused ... is the only adv of a 64 bit more memory capacity and beeter memory utilisation
17:03<nokess>and not better cpu utiliation?
17:03<bd_>nokess: basically, 64-bit itself gives bigger integers (Which is nice in some cases) and bigger pointers (which is nice if you're dealing with multiple gigabytes of data at a time)
17:03<bd_>on amd64 specifically,
17:03<bd_>they fixed a major problem in i386 /at the same time/ as they introduced 64-bit
17:03<bd_>namely, the severe shortage of general purpose registers - ie, temporary working space for the cpu
17:04<bd_>the i386 only had... 5 or 6 I think?
17:04<bd_>and even freeing up one more could have a measurable performance improvement (this is what -fomit-frame-pointer does)
17:04<bd_>the amd64 architecture roughly doubled the number of general purpose registers
17:04<bd_>reducing the amount of movement between registers and memory that is needed
17:05<bd_>however, there are some disadvantages
17:05<bd_>the increased number of registers theoretically increases the performnce impact of userspace->kernel transitions
17:05<bd_>and the use of 64-bit pointers increases cpu cache pressure, possibly resulting in more cache misses
17:05<HoopyCat>also, if your application does a lot of big math that doesn't fit in 32 bits very well (some crypto algorithms, etc), you'll probably see a significant boost
17:05<bd_>so whether it's a win or not isn't clear-cut in all cases
17:06<tjfontaine>even though there are more GP regs, doesn't the compiler still have to know to use them?
17:06<bd_>tjfontaine: Yes. Which it does.
17:06<bd_>:)
17:06<bd_>If you're building for amd64, the compiler knows all about those registers
17:07<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: gcc is on it like pigs on a compost heap
17:07<tjfontaine>well, if you're building for 32 on amd64 not much good the GP regs do
17:07<bd_>and gcc's worked on ppc and other register-rich cpus for ages
17:07<nokess>you should add what you said to the wikipedia article :)
17:07<bd_>so they can just take that over
17:07<bd_>tjfontaine: you aren't allowed to use the extras in 32-bit mode
17:07<nokess>"The main disadvantage of 64-bit architectures is that relative to 32-bit architectures the same data occupies more space in memory"
17:07<bd_>it'd be a security issue otherwise - a 32-bit kernel wouldn't know to save and restore them
17:07<tjfontaine>bd_: meh, that's no fun :)
17:07<nokess>according to wikipedia
17:08<bd_>nokess: yes. because of the larger pointers
17:08<tjfontaine>you just *now* read that?
17:08<nokess>so I guess you guys might be right that it isn't suitable for low memory vps
17:08<tjfontaine>I pasted that before bd_ had to explain the whole article :)
17:08<bd_>nokess: well, again, it really depends on your application
17:08<tjfontaine>unless you're doing lots of specific math operations :)
17:08<nokess>sorry, missed the link tjfontaine
17:09<nokess> :p
17:09<HoopyCat>there's tradeoffs other than performance to consider, as well... for instance, if your dev platform is 64-bit and you desire binary compatibility between that and your production platform, there you go
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17:10<bd_>OTOH, it's not too hard to cross-compile for 32-bit on an amd64 platform
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17:10<bd_>the other way around is sheer hell, of course
17:13<HoopyCat>up next, #linode debates whether thin crust or thick crust is the optimal pizza base
17:13<tjfontaine>clearly it's stuffed crust
17:13<tjfontaine>why is the 3rd party never represented!
17:13<bd_>HoopyCat: half and half
17:14<Nivex>stuffed crust!
17:14<HoopyCat>thin crust if i'm having it delivered; thick crust if it's homemade
17:15<HoopyCat>tradeoffs, you see
17:16<nokess>how about no crust pizza all the way ...
17:16<HoopyCat>that's what i usually end up with on the bottom of the oven when i try to make pizza :-(
17:18<nokess>oh ... I thought I didn;t make any sense with that last comment of mine ... glad somebody did ;)
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17:19<Pryon>as long as there's no pineapple involved, nobody has to get hurt
17:20<Pryon>(pizza, not processors)
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17:31<nokess>how do I configure a domain name with my linode?
17:32<anderiv>nokess: register a domain, point it at a DNS service of your choosing.
17:32<anderiv>nokess: you can use linode's DNS service if you'd like.
17:32<nokess>ok, I have a domain name ... i'd like to use the linode DNS manager ... can you guide me from there ?
17:32<anderiv>nokess: nope - I've never used it :-)
17:33<anderiv>I use a third-party dns provider.
17:33<nokess>no probs - just give me the basic idea ...
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17:38<Pryon>nokess: If you go to the DNS manager page, there's probably a link for "Add an new domain zone". That'd be a good place to start
17:39<bob2>nokess: http://jadoba.org/lindocs/dns-manager-primer.html
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17:53<Pryon>It's "normal" for the CPU graph on a xen node to read 10% when the machine's idle, right?
17:53<chuck_>My Linode just died unexpectedly O_o
17:54<kilowhisky>what happened?
17:54<panthar>Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
17:54<kilowhisky>do u guys think that it would be ok to run an irc server, LAMP, *very* personal blog?
17:54<kilowhisky>on linode 360
17:55<panthar>Sure
17:55<kilowhisky>w00t
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17:55<panthar>That's more than enough, unless you are hooking the IRC server into EFNET
17:55<Pryon>Are you saying that the blog will contain incredibly intimate details of your life or that very few people will use it?
17:56<@mikegrb>lolz
17:56<kilowhisky>LOL
17:56<chuck_>;-)
17:56<kilowhisky>i mean like *low-traffic*
17:56<Pryon>ah.
17:56<chuck_>Okay, my Linode is up, but I can't ssh to it >_<
17:56<kilowhisky>irc server will be personal as well
17:57<Pryon>Yeah, a 360 can handle that (*is* handling that) with no problems
17:57<kilowhisky>cool
17:57<kilowhisky>~_~
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17:59<kilowhisky>its easy as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IrcServer this?
17:59<kilowhisky>i thought it was like 1000 steps
18:00<panthar>A standalone IRC server should be pretty easy to set up
18:00<amok>Do I need to check on a program-by-program basis if I need to do a restart after a logrotate on that program's logfile?
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18:01<bob2>if you install from source, remember you need to be on the ircd's security list you know when to upgrade
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18:01<Pryon>kilowhisky: If you're going to use ircd-hybrid, I'd install the ubuntu package (you're running ubuntu, right?)
18:01<kilowhisky>yes sir
18:02<Pryon>yeah, then there's no point in building from source unless the ircd you want to use isn't packaged or you have some other perverse reason
18:02<kilowhisky>theres ubuntu package?
18:02<Pryon>apt-cache search ircd
18:02<Pryon>Or use whatever the ubuntu package thingy is to search
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18:03<Peng_>It might be a better idea to use a preexisting IRC network...
18:03<kilowhisky>um..
18:03<Peng_>It'll be more reliable and run by people who know what they're doing. (well, hopefully)
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18:04<Peng_>That's not meant as an insult, but it takes knowledge and effort to run an IRC network well, so why do it if someone else can?
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18:05<kilowhisky>right
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19:01<kilowhisky>linode = impressive speed!!
19:02<Peng_>:)
19:03<@mikegrb>lolz
19:03<kilowhisky>lol i just cant compare this to (gs) media temple i used to have
19:03<fo0bar>lolz
19:05<booja>welcome to the future
19:05<booja>we have hoverboards
19:06<@mikegrb>lolz
19:06<kilowhisky>lol
19:06<fo0bar>lolz
19:06-!-bssteph_ is now known as bssteph
19:06*bob2 smacks booja with a sports almanac
19:07*Peng_ smacks bob2 with a hoverboard.
19:07*Peng_ breaks it.
19:07<Peng_>:(
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19:12*Peng_ shrugs and goesb ack to being aweay
19:12<Peng_>?Typing that went well.
19:12<booja>drinking is going well for you peng?
19:13<atourino1>it's thursday night here.... it must be friday already somehwere in the globe
19:13<atourino1>:D
19:13-!-atourino1 is now known as atourino
19:14<bob2>everywhere east of like germany
19:14<Peng_>Yeah. GMT+1 and east.
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19:16<booja>it's friday in .au
19:16<booja>10:15am even
19:17<kilowhisky>Toronto, ON / Mostly Cloudy / 46°F 8°C / Humidity: 64% / Wind: W at 3 mph
19:18<A-KO>ha
19:18<kilowhisky>freezing
19:18<kilowhisky>T_T
19:18<A-KO>9C/48F here
19:18<kilowhisky>where are you guys all from?
19:18<A-KO>and I'm like 12 hours southeast from Toronto :D
19:19<kilowhisky>oh
19:19<@mikegrb>lolz
19:19<kilowhisky>and where is that lol
19:19<fo0bar>lolz
19:19-!-KB1PYW [~KB1PYW@nmd.sbx00837.newyony.wayport.net] has joined #linode
19:19<kilowhisky>sorry i didnt take geography class
19:19<KB1PYW>hi
19:19<kilowhisky>heya
19:20<KB1PYW>linode 4 life!
19:20<KB1PYW>i got it tattooed
19:27<booja>kilowhisky: .au = australia :)
19:27<kilowhisky>oh
19:27<kilowhisky>i used to live in australia
19:27<kilowhisky>beautiful country
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19:30<atourino>so... perfect excuse to start drinking! it's friday! (somewhere)
19:30<atourino>:D
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19:31<Eman>Amount of traffic used 10286090 MB
19:31<Eman>:D
19:31<kilowhisky>what did u do there
19:31<@mikegrb>lolz
19:31<kilowhisky>lol
19:31<fo0bar>lolz
19:32<booja>no drinking for me tonight :(
19:32<booja>I have to drive 500km
19:32<booja>damnit!
19:32<@mikegrb>lolz
19:32<A-KO>lol
19:32<fo0bar>lolz
19:33<A-KO>that's a little less tahn I'm driving tomorrow night
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19:35<booja>at least I'm not riding
19:37<HoopyCat>holy crap, i'm almost out of e-mail to deal with
19:38<kilowhisky>can anyone plz browse to http://blog.kilowhisky.com for me? i'm trying to see if i have configured subdomain correctly
19:38<kilowhisky>i've just put random index.php file so if anyone see anything other than a blank page, its setup ok
19:39<Peng_>kilowhisky: WFM (I get a PHP error) :)
19:39<kilowhisky>perfecT!
19:39<kilowhisky>thats what i've thrown in
19:39<kilowhisky>woohoo
19:39<HoopyCat>nominal over here, too
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19:41<kilowhisky>aye
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19:41<kilowhisky>could you refresh just once more? and tell me if you see a phrase instead?
19:41<Pryon>Tennis Anyone?
19:42<kilowhisky>do you see "Hello Anyone" ?
19:43<Pryon>indeed
19:43<kilowhisky>w00t
19:44<kilowhisky>glad it works
19:45<Pryon>note that using the IP address instead of the domain name leads to the default page
19:46<kilowhisky>um
19:46<kilowhisky>sry i didnt quite get what you've just said
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19:53<Peng_>kilowhisky: Going to http://66.246.138.42/ shows a different page.
19:53<kilowhisky>yea just a "It Works!"
19:53<kilowhisky>right?
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19:54<kilowhisky>i'm trying to figure out how to host my root domain to tumblr
19:54<kilowhisky>to make it look like kilowhisky.com/tumblr
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20:27<bd_>http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2008/10/big-day-for-ec2.html interesting
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21:01<Bdragon>Uh oh.
21:01<Bdragon>Infocon went yellow
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21:10<MotoHoss>how does one see avail for dallas?
21:10<StevenK>!avail-dallas
21:10<linbot>StevenK: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 12, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
21:10<Palintheus>!avail-tp
21:10<linbot>Palintheus: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 1, Dallas720 - 12, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0
21:10<Palintheus><_<
21:10<Palintheus>>_>
21:10<MotoHoss>thanks.
21:14<kilowhisky>!avail-newark
21:14<linbot>kilowhisky: Newark360 - 41, Newark540 - 22, Newark720 - 10, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 8, Newark2880 - 6
21:15<bd_>!avail-he
21:15<linbot>bd_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 15, Fremont720 - 6, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0
21:15<StevenK>Woah
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21:18<Pryon> /nick StevenK Keanu
21:18<StevenK>There's actual nodes in Fremont
21:18<BP{k}>"Do not trust your eyes, they can deceive you"
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21:27<amok>Is there a good reason to keep a smtp server going if I have all my mail being handled elsewhere?
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21:31<Battousai>smtp servers are leet
21:31<Battousai>all the reason you need
21:31<Bdragon>Hahahaha yeah right..
21:31<Bdragon>SMTP is about the unsexiest service ever
21:32<Pryon>ident
21:32<Pryon>or echo
21:32<Pryon>*those* are unsexy
21:32<Battousai>also daytime
21:32<Bdragon>na, they're just "considered harmful" :P
21:32<Bdragon>(like goto)
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21:34<amok>I guess I can just try it off
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21:38*HedgeMage peeks in
21:38<HedgeMage>how is everyone tonight?
21:40<eTiger13>fine.
21:40<Bdragon>tired
21:40<eTiger13>anyone know of a way to make subversion clean? as in not create .svn folders in every folder but store those in a mirrored directory?
21:41<bd_>eTiger13: that's not supported in vanilla subversion
21:41<bd_>you could write a FUSE filter to hide them I guess
21:41<StevenK>Or have two - a checkout and an export
21:41<eTiger13>know of any other version control thats cleaner?
21:41<bd_>eTiger13: hmm
21:41<bd_>you could try svk
21:41<bd_>I don't know if that's still actively developed, it's been years since I last used it
21:43<eTiger13>random question but if someone paid you a few bucks to try out netflix or blockbuster online, would you?
21:43<guinea-pig>they'd have to pay more than a few bucks to buy me a supported OS to view the online content
21:44<Bdragon>mercurial uses a single toplevel .hg folder...
21:44<guinea-pig>stoopid netflix
21:44<bd_>Bdragon: git does the same
21:44<bd_>(except it's .git obviously)
21:44<Bdragon>monotone uses a sqlite database
21:45<Bdragon>(I can't remember if it dumps extra stuff into the checkout or not..)
21:45*Bdragon checks..
21:45<Bdragon>ahh, monotone uses a toplevel _MTN folder
21:45<Bdragon>and the database file
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21:47<eTiger13>are those hard to install/manage?
21:48<Bdragon>Nah, they're all distributed
21:49<Bdragon>mercurial's the easiest imo
21:52<eTiger13>hows it compare to svn?
21:52<Bdragon>Much easier than svn? I had no trouble setting up some repos...
21:53<bd_>OTOH the distributed models can be a bit confusing at first if you're used to centralized models
21:53<Bdragon>Yeah
21:53<bd_>for a single working copy there probably won't be much difference htough
21:53<bd_>except that you won't need a seperate repository
21:53<Bdragon>It's a different mindset
21:53<bd_>yeah
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21:56<Northwood>i installed debian from netiso and set the networking, but cannot connect to the internet or ping other hosts
21:57<bd_>netiso? on a linode?
21:58<Northwood>no on my other server
21:58<Northwood>on linode it work out the box
21:58<bd_>oh, well, maybe there's no dhcp server set up or something *shrug*
21:58<Northwood>should i have one if only static public ip
21:59<Northwood>i installed centos then vm server and now put debian on it as vps
21:59<eTiger13>you put a vps on a vps?
22:00<Northwood>no i have dedicated server and create my own vps on it
22:00<eTiger13>oh ok
22:03<eTiger13>is your networking or vmware not setup right?
22:03<Northwood>it should be ok working for centos, redhat and a windows xp
22:04<Northwood>i have set the public ip, netmask, gateway ip and nameservers for the debian
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22:08<MotoHoss> hmm #debian might be able to help.
22:10<Northwood>true, but i was working on the linode too and thought asking here not harm :)
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22:26<chuck_>My Linode isn't working at all :-(
22:28<chuck_>I try to SSH to it from two computers, one works, one times out, and MySQL connections over the private IP aren't working half of the time
22:28<MotoHoss>i ususally ask multiple places (though I attempt not to ask on the same channels in diff networks &<)
22:31<chuck_>ArchLinux is just generally a really shitty OS template to use on Linode unfortunately.
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22:51<archwolf>Hiya, everyone.
22:51<archwolf>I have what I would call (I guess) a networking question regarding my Linode...
22:52<archwolf>Basically, I have two OSes set up (freshly installed)... one Debian 4.0 (for me), and one Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (for a friend). I was wanting to have each OS on a seperate IP (if that's even possible), so my friend's Ubuntu install is at one location/subdomain, and mine (Debian) is on another. Is that possible, and if so...how?
22:55<archwolf>Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, I really wanted to get this working, if it's even possible.\
22:56<supergear>i think you need another node
22:56<supergear>i could be wrong tho
22:56<atourino>you can only have one "machine" running at a time per node
22:56<archwolf>I see.
22:57<atourino>so... if you want both OSs working at the same time, you will need to add another linode
22:57<archwolf>Ah.
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22:59<path->if you add another linode, you can clone the disk image to it if it's part of the same account
22:59<path->so you don't have to recreate stuff
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23:06<archwolf>Thanks for you help, guys.
23:06<archwolf>I appreciate it. =)
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23:11<atourino>I alwaqys forget about being able to clone images
23:11<atourino>never needed to, but it's good to know i can
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