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---Logopened Fri Nov 07 00:00:41 2008
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02:27<Clorith>This might be a problem...was su
02:28<Clorith>was supposed to send my sister to school...she leaves at 7.25...I wake up at 8.20 xD
02:28<Clorith>there's nobody in the hosue though, so I'm hoping she left on time =P
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02:51<getsmart>hi guys
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05:14<agentbleubleu>is there any problems setting the rdns to just domian,com or would it be better if it was something like (and why)?
05:16<bliblok> works
05:16<bliblok>No problems that I'm aware of.
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07:50<Lithram_>so my desktop machine only has one outlet for attaching harddrives/cdroms, right
07:51<Lithram_>and one cable can hook up two things (so ither cdrom and a hdd, or two hdds and no cdrom)
07:51<Lithram_>which is a bit of a hassle when you have more then one hdd, aye? What would you lot recomend, looking for a new mainboard that can hold more, or a pci-express card to manage more?
07:51<Lithram_>we all know yo ucan never get the same performance out of an external hdd as you would one hooked up internally
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07:55<Isvara>Are you sure?
07:55<Isvara>I thought that wasn't necessarily true any more.
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07:56<Isvara>I thought eSATA could keep up with most current HDDs.
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07:57<praetorian>dont you hate that when you /wc in the wrong window.
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08:03<Clorith>Isvara, well I have the asus p5 mainboard right now, nad it's only got one =(
08:03<Clorith>I guess I -could- get sata hdd's, but it's such a hassle when the current 2 aren't and ahving to transfer content you know
08:08<Isvara>Oh, sure, I wasn't advising you, just updating you ;-)
08:08<Clorith>god that gets anoying in the long run...any way =P
08:08<Clorith>and well, it's just a microsoft descktop I use for games/torents
08:09<Isvara>It's *supposed* to be annoying!
08:09<Isvara>So people stop saying it.
08:09<Clorith>gotta love them 2.5 MB/sec down, 1.8MB/sec upload home connections, eh? ;)
08:09<Clorith>well, I wouldn't say it unless I actualyl did laugh out loudly there ;)
08:09<Isvara>I refuse to believe that people do.
08:10<Clorith>some of us actually know not to use lame internet acronyms unless they are truthfull
08:10<Clorith>I know, it's not a widely known fact, but it happens :P
08:10<Isvara>In fact, in the majority of cases I suspect that people have a 'lol' key where the rest of us have a '.' key.
08:10<Clorith>I have to run to the shower or else i'll be late for work
08:10<Clorith>yay for bringing laptops to work ;)
08:10<StevenK>Running in the shower may not work
08:10<Isvara>Don't use the laptop in the shower, either.
08:10<Clorith>I found out the IT guys forgot to secure the high speed wireless yesterday
08:18<A-KO>holy shit
08:19<A-KO>Ballmer pitched the idea of a remote possibility of IE using Webkit
08:19<Isvara>Uh huh.
08:19<A-KO>that's pretty insane if they actually do it, lol
08:20<Isvara>He actually didn't pitch it. Someone asked him about it, and he said they'd looked into it.
08:20<Isvara>I doubt it has any chance of happening, thankfully.
08:21<A-KO>for Ballmer to say they'd look into it is a bit of a change for MS though.
08:21<Isvara>Talk is cheap.
08:22<A-KO>but it's Ballmer
08:22<A-KO>MS has been doing a LOT more open source work lately
08:22<Isvara>Fine, so talk is cheap and sweaty.
08:22<A-KO>it remains to be seen of their intentions
08:22<Isvara>Don't kid yourself.
08:22<A-KO>don't kid myself what?
08:22<Isvara>MS "open source" isn't the same as the rest of the world's open source.
---Logclosed Fri Nov 07 08:29:08 2008
---Logopened Fri Nov 07 08:29:17 2008
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08:29<Luca1>'m getting
08:29<Luca1>traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
08:30<mwalling>Luca1: it seems to be over
08:30-!-You're now known as mikegrb
08:30<mwalling>mikegrb: is use of lethal force authorized?
08:30<Luca1>i can't past my traceroute here...
08:30<Luca1>but now i'm on the server...
08:30<Luca1>some minute ago
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08:30<Luca1>simply my server connection gone away...
08:31<Luca1>i had check with traceroute and mrt and all work fine...
08:31<jdlspeedy_>o, good now
08:31<mwalling>Luca1: 08:30 < mwalling> Luca1: it seems to be over
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08:32<Luca1>thank yu
08:32<Luca1>thank you
08:32<jdlspeedy_>mwalling: i know when dallas having issues when my putty drops connection, LOL
08:32<mwalling>jdlspeedy_: exactly
08:32<Luca1>exactly :-)
08:32<Luca1>but now look fine...for me almost..
08:33<mwalling>4 of us here in the office use my linode
08:33<jdlspeedy_>and i have 2 linodes on dallas
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09:05<sagasw>hi, I want to know, if I feel one location is slow for me, could I switch to another location?
09:05<sagasw>Now I am in fremont.
09:08<JWright>open a ticket (I assume... I've only been here a week or two)
09:12<path->sagasw: test each DC using links in that forum post
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09:53<JasonF>mikegrb: i'm reminded of the 4chan "count to five for boobs" threads re: your twitter
09:55<BP{k}>which would have made sesame street a lot more interesting for sure ;)
09:55<tjfontaine>hell ya
09:55<tjfontaine>I wants that episode
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10:01<Clorith> aaaaaaand we're at work
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10:16<tjfontaine>hi BP{k}
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10:29<anderiv>BP{k}: mornin'
10:32<BP{k}>hmm time to play demolition derby with /dev/gf greenhouse >:-)
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10:46<jimcooncat>BP{k}: your gf is a device? cool
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10:46<path->ls: cannot access /dev/gf: No such file or directory
10:47<jimcooncat>path, look under /mnt
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10:48<jimcooncat>mount gf
10:48<jimcooncat>mount: can't find gf in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
10:49<path->no /mnt/gf
10:49<path->i probably need /dev/life
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11:02<path->6 months after ubuntu 8.04 is released, vmware esx officially has support for the guest os
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11:13<sagasw>does anybody use the google blogger in linode? how to setup sftp?
11:15<sagasw>I get reason, the permission is wrong.
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11:33<Isvara>Compare the user you're sftping as with the permissions on the location you're sftping to.
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12:01<linbot>New news from forums: Linux distro for newbies? in General Discussion <>
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12:22<atealtha>can I safely shrink the disk and memory usage of a linode while it's running?
12:22<atealtha>at least the disk so I can make a new vps
12:23<A-KO>you can only shrink the disk when the node is off
12:23<anderiv>atealtha: nah, you can't resize a mounted partition
12:23<atealtha>ok thanks
12:24<anderiv>atealtha: with regards to memory, shrinking that won't help you at all, as you can only run one instance at a time anyway.
12:25<anderiv>as an aside, I really wish ZFS was available natively in linux.
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12:29<atealtha>anderiv, really? ahh completely disregard my question then
12:32<anderiv>atealtha: :-) no prob.
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13:16<nights>got a quick question if its ok to ask
13:16<@caker>!ask away
13:16<linbot>Don't ask to ask; just ASK
13:16<nights>I just got my linnode, got a few things installed
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13:17<nights>I am trying to fire up a game server and connect to it, just trying to test what kind of ping I would have on the game server, but even though I launch the server it looks like the ports are still closed, I can not connect, but when I do a netstat it says the port is open
13:18<nights>is there something I need to do as a new user to be able to fire up applications that open ports?
13:18<JWright>what distro?
13:18<@caker>which distro? some have a firewall preinstalled
13:18<JWright>did you install a firewall?
13:18<nights>not yet, wanted to test this first
13:18<nights>all I installed was some libraries to run the game server and the server itself
13:19<@caker>nights: can you pastebin "netstat -pln" to please ?
13:19<nights>ok brb
13:22<nights>ok its in there
13:23<JWright>is the game server running?
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13:23<nights>its ioUrbanTerror
13:23<@caker>udp 0 0 .. ok, so it's bound to everything
13:24<@caker>any firewall rules? "iptables -L -n"
13:24<erikh>doesn't q3a have other ports it needs open?
13:24<nights>I dont think so, I ran this from my home system and only opened up 27960
13:25<erikh>fair enoujgh.
13:25<nights>nothin in iptables
13:25<erikh>did you load a map? :)
13:25<erikh>ok, heh.. just checking all the obvious ones
13:26<nights>coppied a basic server.cfg file
13:26<nights>running a map that comes with the game
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13:27<nights>I want to install a firewall later, but I thought I would just run the game first to make sure I can connect
13:27<JWright>does nmap report a service listening on that port?
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13:28<nights>kinda a bit of a newbie, I just installed nmap
13:28<nights>what options should I issue it to check
13:29<erikh>a udp scan is gonna take a week
13:29<nights>anything else I should check?
13:29<@caker>nmap -sU -p27960 localhost
13:29<@caker>or something
13:30<erikh>hold on, i have some tools that should be able to get a player list from a q3 server (if they still work)
13:30<nights>I tried changing the port to something lower
13:30<nights>but that also did not work
13:30<nights>ok says its open
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13:30<nights>state open service quake3
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13:33<nights>ok I just tried putting it on port 80 figuring that had to not be blocked at any firewall external to my linode but I cant connect to that either
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13:41<jkwood>That's because 80 is a privileged port.
13:42<jkwood>You're going to have a deuce of a time trying to get anything to work there.
13:42<@caker>urmom has a nice privileged port
13:43<jkwood>caker: You would know. You're weren't privileged to use it.
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13:44<nights>anything else you think I should try?
13:47<SelfishMan>quake3 server on port 80? That's great until someone pops that IP into their browser and the quake server crashes. At least it used to die on GET requests
13:48<Eman>its probably been fixed by now
13:48<nights>well I tried a bunch of other random high numbered ports too and none of them work
13:48<path->just run the quake server as root
13:48<Eman>with quake3 being gpl
13:48<nights>even though nmap on the box reports its as open
13:48<path->maybe it's your client
13:49<nights>sheilds up reports it as closed, and cant open telnet to that port either
13:51<@caker>it's UDP, not tcp
13:51<@caker>udp 0 0
13:52*jkwood telnets to caker's UDP port
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13:57<nights>ok now it just started working
13:57<nights>no changes to client
13:57<nights>but just started connecting
14:00<nights>hmmm my ping really jumps all over the place when connected
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14:17<mikegrb>HoopyCat's friend fail
14:20<Peng_>Augh! Will everybody stop breaking Dallas? :(
14:21<HoopyCat>mikegrb: i was drunk!
14:21<anderiv>My luck seems to be continuing - neither of my linodes have been affected by the issues this last week.
14:21<Nivex>caker does dallas?
14:22<erikh>get that on film
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14:22<HoopyCat>dallas? i thought CBS cancelled it
14:22<erikh>nah, I hear J.R. is making a comeback.
14:23<HoopyCat>can't be sure, 'course, but some come backs suck.
14:24<jkwood>HoopyCat: This one does.
14:24<HoopyCat>c-c-c-cbs breaker
14:25<HoopyCat>sorry, still bitter after they didn't broadcast my "CAN'T BEAT SHIT" sign at the football game
14:26<erikh>well, you can't, at least not more than once
14:26<erikh>it'll just fly everywhere
14:26<erikh>and the networks have a strong committment to avoid publishing false truths
14:27<jkwood>erikh: I think you just described how they come up with new show ideas, though.
14:27<HoopyCat>this was back when the buffalo bills showed signs of brilliance towards the beginning of the season and then quickly started faltering and sucking rocks
14:27<erikh>hey, I just tell it, I don't define it
14:27<HoopyCat>as opposed to now, when they... oh, nevermind
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15:23<HoopyCat>do i dare take my car to an instant oil change place?
15:23<tjfontaine>just make sure they don't cut off any plastic
15:23<Eman>do it yourself? only takes an hour at most
15:24<tjfontaine>how much do you make an hour?
15:24<HoopyCat>Eman: i can't fit under the infernal thing
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15:36<path->i trust my local gas station/garage over the jiffy lube
15:36<SelfishMan>optimize table foo; 2 hours 34 minutes and counting
15:36<path->and i'd check the oil level after leaving. i knew one guy who didn't and they only put a quart in.
15:37<anderiv>I do my own oil gives me a good excuse to spend a relaxing evening in the garage with a beer or three :-)
15:37<tjfontaine>or 10
15:38<tjfontaine>or 20
15:38<path->i use to.. but for 19.95 and 20min.. i'd just as well let someone else do it
15:38<SelfishMan>One of our local oil change places also does tires and recently got caught gluing a BB inside the valve cap and then would charge people for new tires a week or so later when they "had a flat"
15:38<path->i did my own brakes last time.. they charge a little more for that and it's worth my time.
15:38<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: haha
15:38<anderiv>path-: yes - brakes are quite easy as well.
15:39<SelfishMan>The part that pissed me off was that they stole that idea from me. The guy that was doing it was someone I used to get in a lot of trouble with in high school and I showed him to do that
15:39<path->and i've got disc brakes all around :)
15:39<anderiv>path-: I figure I don't save any money (or time) by doing my own oil changes. For about the same price as jiffy lube, though, I'm able to put in much higher-quality oil.
15:40<Eman>the last time i had a shop change my oil, they trashed the threads on the oilpan's drainhole
15:40<anderiv>also - with the oil that I run, I can go 10k between changes. So that's a time-saver I guess.
15:42<Eman>10 seconds with an airdrill and i get an $800 repair
15:43<anderiv>Eman: yah, they should have never touched the plug with an air tool.
15:43<SelfishMan>That's almost as stupid as the guy I watched use an air drill to put in spark plugs
15:43<anderiv>Lugnuts, yes, but not the drain plug.
15:44<SelfishMan>Take them out with one sure but putting in? No. Not unless you use a rubber surgical hose
15:45<Eman>i ended up having a friend weld a plate with a new drain over the hole
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15:48<mwalling>i worked at a jiffy lube for 6 months...
15:48<Clorith>that did NOT sound bad...nooooo not at all...
15:49<mwalling>hundais have little dust covers over the oil filter on the passenger side of the engine...
15:49<mwalling>we had a pile of them in the lower bay
15:49<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: see!
15:50<SelfishMan>Never worked in one but did get someone fired from one. That relationship ended real quick after that.
15:50<mwalling>the new mazda 3 and 6 were even worse... they had this gawdaweful skidplate...
15:50<Eman>my brother works at a chrysler dealer changing oil
15:50<mwalling>it usually ended up leaving the bay being held up by zipties
15:50<Eman>he says they never put the skidplates back on
15:51*caker leaves the skidplate off all the hosts
15:51<tjfontaine>they thake the jiffy out of the lube
15:51<HoopyCat>as much as i like the idea of getting an oil change done quickly without an appointment or anything like that, i kinda don't want to have anything bad happen
15:51<SelfishMan>Does that make easier access for the cage monkeys when they want to steal RAM?
15:51<HoopyCat>and if there's one vehicle that invites bad things happening, it's mine
15:51<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: vehicle?
15:52<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: '01 toyota prius
15:52<erikh>HoopyCat: firestone can do it almost as fast
15:52<tjfontaine>that thing even uses oil? :)
15:52<erikh>and i've had good experiences with them, they just flat out turn me down when they aren't equipped to do the work
15:52<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: 2 out of 4 drivetrain-related objects do. one's the engine, the other is the transwarp drive
15:53<path->tjfontaine: it starts the motor after the first ten feet of road
15:53<tjfontaine>path-: :)
15:53<HoopyCat>the dealer charges $26 for an oil change... alas, they're a wee bit slow
15:53<path->26 isn't bad
15:54<erikh>yeah, it really isn't
15:54<Eman>you could always get a car with a 2 stroke diesel... no need to change the oil ever
15:54<path->get some ramps and do it yourself
15:54<tjfontaine>stands > ramps :)
15:55<SelfishMan>Prius? Isn't that one of the fake hybrids?
15:56<erikh>the prius is the best of a bad commercial lot, from everything I've read.
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15:57<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: this is making me want to change it myself now. :-)
15:57<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: you're welcome :)
15:58<path->it's not really that hard
15:58<SelfishMan>I'll change it for you
15:58<path->just make sure you put the drain plug back before filling
15:58*SelfishMan coughs
15:58<Eman>and dont use any air tools to put it in :p
15:59<mwalling>tjfontaine: lower bay pit > stands
15:59<tjfontaine>s/ to put it in//
15:59<tjfontaine>mwalling: if you have one :)
15:59<mwalling>tjfontaine: got a shovel and a trench box?
15:59<HoopyCat>tjfontaine: looks like it is for the newer version of the prius, alas, but hell, can't be that much different, eh?
15:59<tjfontaine>mwalling: heh
16:00<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: fundamentally the same, grab the manual from your local auto lot while you're picking out the tools
16:00<mwalling>(my father in law has a small pit in his shed/garage... its lined with steel plates for his creaper... works quite well
16:00<path->you should find that at pepboys or some auto place
16:00<tjfontaine>that one should be at your autozone
16:00<tjfontaine>mwalling: but what if you can't move the car? jack it up while you dig?
16:01<path->tunner underneath it
16:01<mwalling>no, the pit is perm...
16:01<mwalling>its part of the shed (he lives in the sicks
16:01<Eman>you know what else is fun? driving all winter with no coolant
16:01<path->if i had a bunch of land in the sticks.. i'd have a pole shed with a pit
16:02<tjfontaine>and a lift!
16:02<tjfontaine>and a paintball area
16:03<tjfontaine>and a lake
16:03<mwalling>HoopyCat: also, any place that sells oil is required to collect it, so you can take it back anywhere after you change it
16:03<tjfontaine>or use it in a heater
16:03<mwalling>(at jiffy lube, we heated the bay and the water for the adjacent car wash using the waste oil)
16:03<Eman>city's recycling program here picks it up every 2 weeks with the cans and bottles
16:03<path->we don't have that in de.. our recycling centers have oil bins
16:04<tjfontaine>How to Build a $500 Oil Burner ... For $36!
16:04<mwalling>HoopyCat: oh, and strap wrenches work better then the cap wrenches
16:05<tjfontaine>ya for sure
16:05<SelfishMan>It's actually illegal to recycle in my town
16:06<mwalling>oh wait... toyota... take that back
16:06<Eman>my city profits from the recycling
16:06<mikegrb>it's illegal not to recycle here
16:06<SelfishMan>Several local businesses have tried to sue the city over it and the courts ruled that the city has the right to collect the profits themselves for all the glass bottles from the bars
16:06<mwalling>the cap wrenches, or the spring loaded "spider claws" are better. not much room to get a strap wrench around up in there
16:06<path->not illegal here, but our landfill is full
16:06<SelfishMan>We ship most of our trash down to Wyoming where nobody will ever see it
16:07<path->we can take glass bottles back to the liquor stores, but i suspect many people just throw them in the recycling bins or trash
16:08<SelfishMan>caker: Any old hosts about to be up for sale?
16:08<@caker>we have a few AMDs that were never put into production
16:08<@caker>new in box!
16:08<SelfishMan>Why weren't they put into production? Any specs/prices?
16:08<mwalling>caker: you going to become an approved supplier so i can buy some?
16:08<tjfontaine>common platform
16:08<Eman>what socket?
16:09<tjfontaine>your moms socket
16:09<Eman>yes yes, shes rated E for everyone etc
16:09<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
16:11<Clorith>that's a new one
16:11<Clorith>it's good
16:15<SelfishMan>I don't get it
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16:17<Bdragon>0 = "never gonna"
16:18<SelfishMan>In every group there is always one person that is willing to try to explain a joke!
16:19*SelfishMan hides
16:19<Clorith>statistics provided by a selfish person ^
16:19<Bdragon>Of course :P
16:19<SelfishMan>What are you saying?
16:20<Clorith>I knwo what I'm saying, but what are you saying?
16:20<SelfishMan>Are you calling me selfish?
16:20*HoopyCat gives your mother up
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16:22<Karrde>karrde@file-02:karrde$ ssh rogue
16:22<Karrde>You don't exist, go away!
16:22<Karrde>I do beleive my user ID has been taken away.
16:23<bob2>something broke nss
16:23<SelfishMan>The chess program?
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16:24<Clorith>SelfishMan, you called yoru self selfish
16:24<Clorith>I was just pointing it out ;)
16:24<SelfishMan>I did no such thing!
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16:27*SelfishMan stops screwing with people
16:27<SelfishMan>For now at least
16:28<Clorith>for now, we all know yo ucan never truly stop
16:28<Clorith>it's an addiction, and it's oh so sweet
16:35<mwalling>Linux js22-3 #1 SMP Thu May 17 14:00:09 UTC 2007 ppc64 ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux
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16:44<tjfontaine>bad linny
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17:06<mwalling>hmmm... if you use Samba as a PDC, can it still push windows installers to domain clients?
17:06<SelfishMan>Not really
17:06<anderiv>mwalling: I doubt it.
17:06<anderiv>mwalling: that's a AD/Group Policy feature which I doubt Samba supports.
17:07<SelfishMan>The AD support is minimal even in the bleeding edge versions
17:07<tjfontaine>samba4 supports AD/GPO
17:07<SelfishMan>I tried 4 about a month ago and it supported about 5% of what I wanted to use
17:07<path->publishing/assigning apps is a GPO thing
17:08<path->the polcies get put in \\server\sysvol
17:08<tjfontaine>well \\realm\sysvol
17:08<path->don't you need a windows machine to run the mmc stuff?
17:08<path->yea :)
17:08<mwalling>we have a collection of machines that aren't supported by CorpIT, and arent on the corp network... they're for students to use in classes we offer... instead of someone going computer to computer installing software, figured building our own small domain and DC, and using that to push would be easier to manage
17:09<path->you can install the ad tools on an xp machine and vista is needed for the 2008/vista policies
17:09<SelfishMan>I'm still waiting for something on Linux equivalent to Parallels
17:09<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: huh?
17:09<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: you mean like parallels or vmware?
17:09<SelfishMan>parallels specifically
17:09<mwalling>and since i dont want to have to figure out how to justify Server 2k3 to sourcing for computers that aren't in IT's database, i thought just using samba would be easier
17:09<path->you need the msi's to do the assigning thing and we only use it on small stuff
17:09<SelfishMan>WINE is crap for most stuff
17:10<path->we have a framework of scripts that manage everything
17:10<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: what portion? vmware has a host file transfer and unity (rootless) support
17:10<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: under linux
17:10<path->CorpIT probably has volume license keys already for everything
17:10<SelfishMan>I want to be able to run Windows apps under Linux and have them actually work
17:10<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: virtualization has worked for years under linux
17:11<path->vmware workstation/player
17:11<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: you mean you want apps to appear as apps in your desktop? vmware has that
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17:11<path->i use it on my desktop at work for stupid crap
17:11<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: For windows? And does it actually work?
17:11<tjfontaine>for linux and windows and mac
17:11<path->vmware workstation 6.5 has the option but it doesn't work
17:12<tjfontaine>it requires perfect storm of options on the host
17:12<SelfishMan>That sounds like a VM though and that isn't what I want or need
17:12<path->to break apps out of the vm and have them side by side with linux windows
17:12<tjfontaine>path-: what was your test environment?
17:12<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: wtf do you think parallels is?
17:12<path->windows xp guest and ubuntu 8.04 host
17:12<Clorith>anyone know anything about cpp ? I'm having a ahrd time including a string and a variable in the same argument =/
17:12<tjfontaine>path-: weird, it worked for me
17:12<path->my vmware fusion does it, but it's annoying
17:12<path->so i don't use it
17:13<path->i probably had an old vmware tools or something
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17:13<path->maybe it was some lame xorg setting
17:13<SelfishMan>tjfontaine: My understanding is that parallels is more like WINE where it doesn't actually run a full copy of the OS but emulates it
17:13<SelfishMan>I could be wrong there
17:13<tjfontaine>SelfishMan: you're wrong.
17:13<path->i think parallels emulated the full deal
17:14<SelfishMan>Are you allocating a fixed amount of RAM to it or does it burn the apps required mem plus a bit of overhead?
17:15<SelfishMan>The issue is I have a very specific app that is windows only I want to run on a few Ubuntu desktops. It runs fine under WINE for the most part but on a certain screen always shows a severe warning
17:15<SelfishMan>OK, so parallels isn't the way to go then
17:16<path->running the app under a vm is still going to not exactly run it on the host
17:16<SelfishMan>What do you mean?
17:16<path->well, it'll be in an isolated environment
17:16<path->using cpu and mem
17:16<path->but still in a vm
17:16<SelfishMan>It runs over the network as is but I need it to run and not display that damn error
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17:17<SelfishMan>With minimal overhead
17:17<path->get the free vmware server and play with it, that's my recomendation
17:17<SelfishMan>I have that but that isn't going to do it
17:18<SelfishMan>There are 15 clients that need to run this app. It's the catalog app for a library.
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17:18<SelfishMan>WINE almost does it but nothing seems to fix that error message which is nothing useful
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17:18<path->are library apps are all web based now \o/
17:19<SelfishMan>I'm trying to get this library to move to Koha but that won't happen for a while
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17:29<Pryon>!calc 1ev in kilocalories
17:29<linbot>Pryon: 1 electron volt = 3.82929365 * 10^(-23) kilocalories
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17:32<Nivex>!calc 1 erg in kilocalories
17:32<linbot>Nivex: 1 erg = 2.39005736 * 10^(-11) kilocalories
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17:43<mwalling>!calc 1 egg in potatochips
17:43<linbot>mwalling: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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18:29<Nivex>!calc 1 imperial assload in metric fucktons
18:29<linbot>Nivex: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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18:32<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Manually edit zone files? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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18:50<Peng_>Shit. I did get an SSH attacker while DenyHosts was down again.
18:50<Peng_>1179 login attempts.
18:52<Peng_>Another 280-somethng attempts from another IP.
18:52<Peng_>DenyHosts sucks.
18:52<Peng_>Heh, these were all within the last 2 hours too. If only I had checked DenyHosts earlier. :)
18:53<CaptObviousman>iptables rules ftw?
18:55<Nivex>I have a rule that limits any given IP to 3 SYN per minute
18:56<Nivex>in concert with denyhosts, it's very nice
18:58<SelfishMan>I recently finished building a blacklist for SSH that effectively denies access after I log a sufficient number of attacks.
19:01<Clorith>errm, doesn't iptables do that as well ?
19:01<bob2>it can
19:01<Peng_>I sometimes to SSH in several times in a minute though.
19:02<erikh>what's wrong with key only?
19:02<erikh>less software, same access control!
19:02<erikh>considerably easier-to-read iptables rules!
19:02*taupehat_ looks with skepticism
19:02<erikh>taupehat_: hi
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19:02<Peng_>erikh: Even if they were futile, thousands of SSH hack attempts would still be a waste of resources.
19:03<taupehat>sup erikh
19:03*taupehat fighting with ldap query
19:03<taupehat>same old ;)
19:04<erikh>fun times.
19:05*Peng_ shoots DenyHosts, SSH, PAM and, uh, TCP/IP and port 22.
19:06<Peng_>(to clarify, I shot both OpenSSH and SSH the spec.)
19:08<erikh>Peng_: dunno, I have it setup to instantly reject non-key auth, so it happens damn quick
19:08<erikh>so quick that my load average doesn't even change
19:08<erikh>and I, like you, get thousands of them
19:08<bob2>pretty sure ssh delays the rejection so it looks like it did a password check, though
19:08<erikh>no, it tells you that it won't accept keyboard-interactive auth
19:08<erikh>very quickly
19:09<erikh>try it: ssh
19:09<path->what about
19:09<erikh>oh noes.
19:09<path->oh no, now you will get spam.. sorry :(
19:10<erikh>heh, no, that address gets the fast path to /dev/null.
19:10<erikh>mostly because I enable it for about 5-10 minutes after I sign up on a new site that needs an email address
19:10<erikh>and then disable it again
19:11<linbot>New news from forums: Add PV-Grub as a domU kernel in Feature Request/Bug Report <> || Keeping time on Xen Linodes in General Discussion <>
19:11<path->good idea :)
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19:13<Peng_>Right! erikh was the one who inspired me to try to turn off password auth in the first place.
19:13<Peng_>But I failed. :\
19:13<Peng_>Well, not entirely, but anyway
19:13<erikh>fairly certain I turned PAM off in sshd's configuration and then disabled keyboard interactive auth
19:14<erikh>I may have had to comment some stuff out in the sshd PAM definition
19:14<erikh>(because it's capable of interfereing at certain levels regardless of what sshd wants to do)
19:14<bob2>debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
19:14<Peng_>I disabled PAM, but that caused LANG to stop getting set, and I gave up.
19:15<path->i think i left pam alone, there was an option for password auth
19:15<Peng_>In fact, I chopped down my sshd_config a lot, but I was also afraid I might've made it insecure or something, so... I gave up.
19:15<Peng_>path-: I tried that, but PAM would do password auth anyway.
19:16<erikh>bob2: judging from the dbeug output I just saw, ssh (client) tried keyboard-interactive, but sshd just dropped it, like iptables drops a network packet
19:17<bob2>ah, ok
19:17<erikh>damnit, your attempt to render insecurity in me requires me to reinstall all my ssh keys
19:21<Battousai>dd if=/dev/zero of=supersecure_rsa count=2048
19:21<Battousai>the debian way
19:22<taupehat>apt-get remove --purge linux*
19:23<erikh>apt-get remove --purge apt*
19:28<path->i wonder how much this guys S3 bill is
19:28<booja>holy shit
19:29<taupehat>keep clicking
19:30<taupehat>no hehz?
19:30<mikegrb>mmm cake
19:30<path->looks like the images are hosted somewhere else
19:31<booja>coral cache
19:31<taupehat>and they don't have our local rag there
19:31<taupehat>ice holes
19:32<booja>interesting to see the format for newspapers is very similar everywhere
19:32<path->copy cats
19:34<booja>anyone know what the voter turnout % was?
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19:37<path->65248522 obama and 57282821 mccain
19:38<path->around 300000000 citizens according to wikipedia
19:38<path->well census population
19:39<path->i think they said 130000000 was registered, or thats what they thought would turnout
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20:01<after>was there a reboot in the hurrice eletric server?
20:07<Battousai>well fwiw, they haven't posted such a notice in the systems status forum
20:08<linbot>New news from forums: RedHat & AMD Demo Live VM Migration Across CPU Vendors in General Discussion <>
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20:56<dvgrhl>anyone here upgrade to 8.10 ubuntu server?
20:59<Peng_>Several people on the forum have.
20:59<guinea-pig_>it was fun!
21:00<dvgrhl>I am doing it now
21:00<mwalling>i upgraded to slackware
21:03<dvgrhl>trip-report: so far, all is well
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21:15<J-Node>I did it to one of the workstations. Had to remove compiz, it conflicted with the old Intel D845G video, would never finish logging in.
21:16<guinea-pig_>compiz on a server? no thanks
21:16<guinea-pig_>oh heyh
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21:17<dvgrhl>done upgrading to 8.10, that was fast and easu
21:18<dvgrhl>lol, damn have to adjust some settings now
21:49<dvgrhl>so the upgrade broke my virualhosts a little, but it was an easy fix to get them back
21:50<dvgrhl>instead of doing <virtualhost *> I had to do <virtualhost (ip_address):80> in my sites-enabled
21:50<bob2>what happened?
21:50<dvgrhl>well, all domains were pointed to my /www/var folder
21:51<dvgrhl>and the virtual host files weren't doing what they should have
21:51<bob2>do you use etckeeper?
21:51<dvgrhl>but changing to use the ip fixed it
21:51<dvgrhl>the Ubuntu forums don't have an answer for why this happened, just how to manually get around it for now
21:51<bob2>hopefully someone reported it
21:52<bob2>with a diff of what the upgrade did wrong
21:52<dvgrhl>yeah, I probably will report it with some good details just in case
21:52<bob2>instead of just complaining on the forums that it was never fixed</rant>
21:52<dvgrhl>haha, no one ever does that
21:52<bob2>ps etckeeper is awesome
21:53<dvgrhl>I have no idea what it is
21:53<dvgrhl>googling now
21:53<bob2>it puts /etc in git or hg or bzr
21:53<dvgrhl>oh hot damn, that is awesome
21:53<bob2>and hooks apt, so it commits before and after every package change
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21:54<dvgrhl>I use svn for coding, but repositories in general for something like that is way awesome
21:56<dvgrhl>that almost brings a tear to the eye
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21:56<dvgrhl>I'll have to set that up
21:57<son_gokou>can someone help me?
21:58<dvgrhl>with what?
21:58<son_gokou>with begining to use a server
21:58*dvgrhl flees
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21:59<dvgrhl>is this your first time to set anythign like this up?
22:00<dvgrhl>then I suggest Ubuntu
22:00<dvgrhl>good forums and lots of articles via google
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22:01<dvgrhl>and good info on the Linode forums
22:01<dvgrhl>you just want to set up a web server?
22:02<son_gokou>yes... I'm on dashboard.cfm
22:02<son_gokou>I selected Ubuntu 8.10
22:05<dvgrhl>oh, good
22:05<dvgrhl>then you are on the way
22:06<son_gokou>how can I access the server by ftp, per example?
22:10<Clorith>you need ot isntall a ftp daemon for that
22:12<son_gokou>how can I do that?
22:13<Clorith>once you have your server deployed, you want to SSH into it, and install stuff, yo ugot ubuntu, which is great, nothing is easier to configure (in my opinion) =)
22:13<Clorith>You have a SSH client I take it ?
22:14<son_gokou>I have and SSH client on my local machine (putty)
22:14<son_gokou>is this?
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22:15<Clorith>Yeah, putty is perfect
22:18<Clorith>dvgrhl, did yo ureally flee? =P
22:18<son_gokou>where is located the ip adress? and the login?
22:19<Clorith>the IP address can be found on the "network" tab on the linode manager
22:19<Clorith>the username/password would be root/whateveryouchose
22:20<son_gokou>yes...I'm in
22:21<Clorith>well, now you should do an update on the repositories
22:21<Clorith>do: aptitude update
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22:23<son_gokou>root@li18-190:~# aptitude update
22:23<son_gokou>like this?
22:24<son_gokou>-bash: root@li18-190:~#: command not found
22:24<son_gokou>it appears this
22:24<Clorith>apt-get update
22:24<Clorith>do that instead then
22:25<son_gokou>now it worked
22:25<Clorith>ok so you wanted a webserver, right ?
22:26<path->you should get winscp for home to transfer files. its like ftp but secure.
22:26<son_gokou>yes that's right
22:26<Clorith>path, what do you think, apache or lighttpd ?
22:26<path->i use apache.. there are probably more guides for it. but maybe lighttpd is easier. i'm not sure.
22:27<Clorith>that's what I was thinking...I don't have much experience with lighttpd though
22:28<Clorith>let's go with apache then xD
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22:29<Clorith>son_gokou, php and mysql as well?
22:29<son_gokou>let's go!
22:29<son_gokou>php and mysql is not needed for now
22:29<son_gokou>because the webpages I have doesn't use it
22:30<Clorith>let's start with apache then, your actual web "server"
22:30<Clorith>apt-get install apache2
22:32<son_gokou>it's done
22:33<Clorith>aaaaaaaand, I guess an ftpd is needed...
22:34<son_gokou>I guess so
22:35<Clorith>anyone else want this one? xD
22:36<son_gokou>what should I do to install an ftpd ?
22:37<Clorith>why am I the only active person =(
22:37<Clorith>apt-get install vsftpd
22:38<son_gokou>I don't know... I'm active too but I don't understand too much :)
22:39<Clorith>now you want to configure al lof this =/
22:39<Clorith>I recomend google for that :P
22:40<son_gokou>is there still many things to configure?
22:40<Clorith>errm, you've installed what you need, but you need to configure it
22:41<Clorith>that's for the ftpd
22:41<Clorith>oh, you also watn to add a new user
22:41<Clorith>don't use root ;)
22:41<Clorith>so use the command: adduser PickAUserNameHere
22:42<son_gokou>thanks :)
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23:17<jkwood>Or, just adduser. It'll prompt you for the user name.
23:17*jkwood chimes in WAY late
23:18*Internat gives jkwood a cookie
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23:28<tjfontaine>jkwood: red latern award
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23:32<jkwood>tjfontaine: Indeed.
23:35<exor674>note to self... if you are feeling lazy
23:35<Clorith>yes ?
23:35<Clorith>too lazy to note your self? =P
23:35<exor674>it's not a good idea to add a -j DROP rule to the top of your router's iptables
23:35<exor674>when your router is downstairs
23:36<exor674>I had to *gasp* get up and molest it at the console
23:41<dvgrhl>I am grilling a steak
23:41<dvgrhl>didn't mean to leave things hanging
23:42<Clorith>all good
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23:45<dvgrhl>cool, it will be a good steak though
23:45<Clorith>I'm hungry now...
23:46<dvgrhl>me too :)
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