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---Logopened Thu Nov 20 00:00:06 2008
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00:06<Peng_>Woah, I'm getting a lot of ssh attacks tonight.
00:06<tjfontaine>oh sorry
00:07<guinea-pig>eah, me too
00:08<guinea-pig>actually, all day
00:08<Peng_>I would prefer if it was at a time when I trusted my damn sshd_config wasn't gonna let someone bruteforce root.
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00:08<rubyruy>any recommandations for setting up a vpn that would work with osx?
00:08<rubyruy>on a debian linode
00:15<Peng_>Hmmm, I tried to disable parts of PAM to turn off password auth, and now I can't SSH in. :D
00:15<Peng_>Of course, the attackers are still successfully messing around.
00:16<Peng_>OTOH, "Permission denied for root" in my logs sounds better than "Authentication failure for root".
00:18<Peng_>Oh, good, fixed that.
00:20<irgeek>Peng_: Why turn off password auth in PAM? Just turn it off in sshd
00:21<Peng_>irgeek: Because if I turn it off in sshd, PAM will still do it.
00:21<libervisco>So many ssh attacks?
00:21<Peng_>Hmmm, I think my configuration is halfway-decent now.
00:22<Peng_>libervisco: ?
00:22<irgeek>PAM will still do what? If sshd isn't offering password auth as an option, clients don't even get to try.
00:22<libervisco>You said you're getting a lot of ssh attacks
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00:23<libervisco>How can you know if there's an attack?
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00:29<irgeek>I set up my motd to tell attackers to please call me if they are actively attacking my Linode. Since I never get calls, I figure I've never been attacked.
00:29<encode>i should do that
00:30<bd_>irgeek: that's not enough, they might enter through a route that doesn't display the MOTD
00:30<bd_>it's better to just block any packets that have the evil bit set
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00:30<irgeek>bd_: I'd do that, but I have users who run Vista.
00:31<bd_>Oh, well, then just clear the bit in iptables mangle
00:31<Schroeder2>bd_: a sane firewall implementation has that option turned on by default
00:31<atourino>night all
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00:32<bd_>Schroeder2: I should hope not! What if you intend to perform some minor mischief with it?
00:32<Schroeder2>yes, but that's not a particularly widespread need
00:32<Schroeder2>so it's better to leave that option on as the default
00:32<bd_>I suppose
00:32<Schroeder2>and let the few users who need to turn it off do so
00:32<Schroeder2>rather than leave it off as the default, and force the many users who need to turn it on to do so
00:34*irgeek despises world 2-3 in Super Mario Brothers
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00:35<Schroeder2>dammit, why does the RA application page take so long to download?
00:35<encode>because you're watching it
00:36<encode>go outside, watch the grass grow for a while
00:36<encode>its way more interesting
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00:37*Peng_ kicks Peng.
00:38<Peng_>Hurry up and reconnect, stupid X-Chat.
00:38<Peng_>Yeah...that was off-topic.
00:38<Peng_>libervisco: I read auth.log.
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00:40*Peng glares.
00:49<Peng_>Hmmm. I don't think DenyHosts is detecting the attempts anymore.
00:49<Peng_>Since I changed the config and now it's mostly just PAM logging them.
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01:32<irgeek>Oreo good!
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01:52<toronto>Hi guys. I've tried just about every other VPS provider since they started marketing them and now I'm about to try Linode (the first!). Does anybody know of a good promo code?
01:53<toronto>I plan to keep it for a few months if bandwidth is good so I don't mind coupons for longer contracts
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01:55<irgeek>I don't think they have any promotions going right now. There's a 10% discount for annual payments.
01:55<irgeek>What do you mean by "if bandwidth is good"
01:56<irgeek>Why do people keep dropping offline while I'm typing?
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02:17<BP{k}>because their own bandwidth isn't good?
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02:47<encode>irgeek: its a plague. emenating from your words. please stop typing
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02:56<bab>hello, ive added a second ip
02:56<bab>and i would like to make it my primary ip
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02:59<irgeek>I didn't type anything that time. :)
03:02<getsmart>hi guys
03:05<encode>irgeek: no, but clearly you thought about it
03:05<encode>hi getsmart
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03:11*irgeek hates dealing with spam
03:12*SelfishMan doesn't have a problem with spam
03:16<praetorian>sa deals with spam for me
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04:51<SelfishMan>Wow, a bug in a script was causing it to update a row in a sqlite db several times per second. Slowed the script down from about 25 queries/sec to about 0.20 queries/sec
06:03<HoopyCat>Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
06:07<@jadoba>I DON'T like SPAM!
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06:31<J-Node>Speaking of spam, Python has officially gone YouTube.
06:35<@jadoba>please, don't anyone say anything...
06:37<J-Node>Also heard Hormel is having a hard time keeping up with Spam production. All those layoffs, one would imagine. One would think even tofu would be better, that stuff blows dead bears.
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07:25<path->Would you like them here or there?
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07:47<irgeek>250 Hello []
07:51<irgeek>221 Response timeout. Closing connection.
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08:06<HoopyCat>ooh, new mathematica has comprehensive spline support
08:07<HoopyCat>hmm, doesn't look like it does full spline reticulation, as required in some simulations
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08:15<kev009_>I have a nice bit of sed to remove the hostname from some URLs: sed 's|http://url/dir/||' - how can I run this on a whole directory and replace the original files?
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08:20<jimcooncat>kev009_: use the find command
08:21<straterra>no need to
08:21<straterra>sed -i with some wild cards will work
08:25<jimcooncat>straterra: thanks for learning me something new!
08:25<kev009_>so to walk the current directory *?
08:28<straterra>kev009_: sed -i 'sedstatement' directory/with/files/*.filetype
08:28<kev009_>straterra: the directory has many levels would find "*.html" xargs be better?
08:30<straterra>Dependin on how complex it may be, you can
08:30<straterra>If it isn't in any kind of might have to use find
08:30<kev009_>well * wont walk the tree
08:31<straterra>are they scattered in random files?
08:31<straterra>with no common directory layout?
08:31<kev009_>yes many thousand html files in various directories from wget
08:32<straterra>Then jimcooncat was correct..use find
08:32<irgeek>find directory/with/files/ -iname "*.html" -exec sed -i 'sedstatement \{\} \;
08:32<straterra>I assumed they wree in a sensible layout hehe
08:32<irgeek>Oops. I dropped a tick after sedstatement
08:33<kev009_>I like xargs because I can do it parallel :-D
08:41<det>xargs breaks if you have files with spaces
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08:43<det>you can use find -print0 ... | xargs -0 ...
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08:46<yopp>How need a referal? $)
08:47<DephNet[Paul]>yopp, 23ee5bb489ef59dd9428264211752f3578f63949
08:49<yopp>how to trace DC's?
08:50<yopp>i.e. Linode aske me to choose location wtf.
08:50<DephNet[Paul]>as in where they are?
08:50<yopp>I wanna to trace route to this DC's
08:50<DephNet[Paul]>yeah, you can choose where your Linode goes
08:50<DephNet[Paul]>yopp, ^^^
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08:54<yopp>13/17/13/17 hops
08:55<yopp>223/159/139/145 ms ping
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08:56<yopp>and winner is... Newark!
08:57<yopp>13 hops/139ms ping
08:57<straterra>What applications are you going to use that are zomglatency sensitive?
08:58<yopp>tasaro: Russa, St. Petersburg.
08:59<yopp>TiEra Broadband ips
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08:59<yopp>download speed... wtf. 60kb/s from all servers.
09:00<straterra>Then something between you and the DC's are throttling
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09:02<Clorith>I rest my case
09:04<yopp>from cachefly 1mb/s
09:05<yopp>hm. strange
09:07<path->maybe they have a transparent proxy
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09:07<path->your isp
09:07<HoopyCat>cachefly has stuff in europe, which probably helps a bit
09:08<yopp>9 hops, 16ms ping.
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09:12<yopp>oh shit. no AXFR on Slicehost...
09:13<yopp>holy duck. :-[ ]
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09:13<HoopyCat>i've got a holy cow, some holy goats, and a large collection of holy fucking shit, but no holy ducks. i could probably order some from our supplier, but it'd be about a week.
09:15<HoopyCat>must break habit of doing select *
09:16<Clorith>slicehost seems so much like linode
09:16<Nivex>except not :)
09:16<Clorith>except they are a bit more pricy based on what yo uget for yoru money
09:16<yopp>HoopyCat: Nice choice. Holy ducks is much pretty than cows. Smaller and cheaper.
09:17<Clorith>holy ducks do NOT produce holy milk though
09:17<Clorith>which means no holy butter =(
09:17<yopp>but ducks produce holly eggs!
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09:19<Clorith>I wish there were good VPS providrs in europe =(
09:20<HoopyCat>baaah, i forgot to commit
09:22<atourino>you're already married.... you're commited already
09:23<Clorith>oh shit
09:23<Clorith>when'd it get this late
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09:26<jimcooncat>you're gonna miss tea with your mum
09:27<Clorith>I have to be at work in 30 minutes
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09:27<Clorith>and I've yet to bother getting out of bed
09:27<Clorith>guess I better do that then
09:28<jimcooncat>hell I thought you was in Europe. Or maybe you get up really late.
09:29<Clorith>I is in europe
09:29<Clorith>I dont start till 4pm today
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09:34<brother>yopp: but who needs eggs with holes in them?
09:35<yopp>Holy guys and girls?
09:35*brother punches a hole in yopp
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09:39*HoopyCat watches wiki spin up from a cold start
09:40<yopp>shit. 500+ dns records.
09:40*yopp tired with copy & paste
09:40<yopp>why i can't import zone file?
09:42<irgeek>yopp: Import a zone file where? In the DNS Manager?
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09:44<irgeek>One option is using the Linode API and a little quick programming to do the import.
09:44<@caker>you can import a zone file now -- just need to have a nameserver that allows axfrs serve it up while you import it
09:45<@caker>takes 5 minutes :)
09:45<yopp>caker: slicehost not allow axfr
09:46<@caker>yopp: well that's not my fault, is it? :)
09:46<Isvara>What happens if you import a zone file that has records not supported by the DNS Manager?
09:46<yopp>caker: sure.
09:46<@caker>yopp: if you *have* the zone file somewhere, set it up on your own nameserver and use the import tool
09:46<@caker>Isvara: armageddon
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09:47<HoopyCat>if you want, you can fling the zone file over here and i'll stick it up on my ancillary nameserver
09:47<yopp>caker: why you have so strange api? why not REST?
09:48<Clorith>gotta love custom made shit :D
09:49<Clorith>and now, I leave
09:49<Isvara>Where are the API docs?
09:49<yopp>caker: is it possible to migrate from slicehost xen to linode xen? without rsync and other full-of-sex utils?
09:49<@caker>yopp: because my way is better than everyone elses!
09:49<HoopyCat>uhh, wow, thanks google
09:50<mwalling>yopp: rsync.
09:50<@caker>yopp: without rsync, huh? I mean, you gotta get the data over somehow
09:50<@caker>yopp: rsync or a tarball is least painful, imo
09:50<mwalling>wow... i used 350 kWh in october, in november i used 925kWh...
09:50<mwalling>electric heat--
09:51<HoopyCat>mwalling: when i hear the comforting "fwoom!" of the furnace lighting, a counter starts incrementing in my head
09:52<mwalling>HoopyCat: NG or oil?
09:52<HoopyCat>(it's comforting, of course, because the lack of a "fwoom!" means it's going to get very cold and very expensive very fast)
09:52<HoopyCat>mwalling: gas forced air, non-direct-vent
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09:53<irgeek>yopp: There's a page on the wiki about putting together a custom distro: - You could probably just move your disk images from SH to Linode and get it to boot.
09:54<mwalling>HoopyCat: my parents old house had hot water baseboard... our last house had lp forced air... i hated it
09:54<HoopyCat>mwalling: i want to replace it with a nice efficient direct-vent furnace and then tear down the chimney and expand the kitchen and and and
09:56<irgeek>...and TWINS!
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10:00<HoopyCat><--- HE.NET IPv6 Certified Professional
10:01<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: me too <3
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10:01<HoopyCat>will need to do some actual work to get guru status :-)
10:01<emag>.oO( i *knew* HoopyCat was certifiable )
10:01*brother is HE.NET IPv6 Certified Guru
10:01<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: yeah the all nses ipv6 enabled is kind of a drag
10:02*JasonF is 2001:470:b87e::/48
10:02<HoopyCat>i have two ipv6-reachable nameservers in two distinct geographic locations, but one of 'em isn't ipv4-reachable, which is a pissa
10:03<@mikegrb>HoopyCat: I'm on the top 100 but you aren't :p
10:04<HoopyCat>mikegrb: ah, haven't done the Additional Tests yet
10:06<brother>Hmmm, neither the Explorer Test nor the Sage Test was there when I 'got certified'
10:06<brother>What is my password now....
10:07*Isvara wonders how he's getting through so much peak-time bandwidth when he's not even home.
10:07*HoopyCat wonders how Isvara's neighbor knows all the latest memes even without an Internet connection
10:08<Isvara>My neighbour is at work with me!
10:08<Isvara>Although I probably /should/ turn on some kind of WiFi encryption.
10:08<Isvara>La la la
10:09<HoopyCat>man, i love earworming people
10:10<Isvara>That's gross, man.
10:12<HoopyCat>i got mahna mahna stuck in someone's head via twitter yesterday... it's now up to:
10:12<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:12<HoopyCat>"Purchased all the "Manha manha"s I could off amazon: Cake, die lollipops,henri salvador,insideout a cappella,tatiana."
10:13<Isvara>Phenomenon... do dooo do-do do
10:13<irgeek>You go to hell Isvara. You got to hell and you die!
10:14<HoopyCat>to this day, whenever someone says phenomenon, i will reply with "do dooo do-do do"
10:14<HoopyCat>gets some damned odd looks from my classmates, but i'm used to that
10:15*irgeek does that too - though I try to do it in my head most of the time
10:16<HoopyCat>the question is, what is a mahna-mahna?
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10:16<Nivex>the question is, who cares?
10:17<Nivex>BEAT DRUMS!
10:21<HoopyCat>i should probably track down a mp3 of pinball number count... i think it's time for new hold music
10:21<straterra>put eminem as hold music
10:21<straterra>sure to scare old ladies away
10:22<Isvara>Pinball number count? Is that what that's called? Are we thinking of the same 'that'?
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10:22<HoopyCat>Isvara: one two three four five, six seven eight nine ten, eleven twelve
10:23*Isvara enabled psk2!
10:23<Isvara>But the usage logs at my ISP show all the traffic coming from my workstation's IP address.
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10:24<HoopyCat>and ground is on pin... seevvveen!
10:24<Isvara>I should implement my own graphs, but I don't really have anything to do it on.
10:24<Isvara>I think that's a bit too big to run on my router.
10:24<straterra>its not that big
10:24<straterra>just snmp queries
10:25<Isvara>I only have 16MB of RAM.
10:25<Isvara>And 6.9MB of disk remaining.
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10:26<Isvara>I have 3MB of RAM free.
10:27<straterra>is it a wrt or something?
10:28*Isvara does /etc/init.d/network restart... remotely. Odds on it coming back?
10:30<HoopyCat>doing network restarts remotely caused so much grey hair for me
10:31<reillyeon>If it happens fast enough, and gets the same IP, it should work.
10:31<Isvara>So often, "I'll fix it from here", was followed by, "I need the car keys."
10:31<Isvara>reillyeon: Static IP address.
10:31<HoopyCat>Isvara: my favorites were offices that were closed after 5pm
10:32<reillyeon>But ya, PPPoE connection remote restarts will be the death of me.
10:32<HoopyCat>"i need the car keys" turns into "i need to be there at 7:30am"
10:32<Isvara>reillyeon: Hmm. I guess this would have restarted PPPoE too, which I hadn't considered.
10:32<irgeek>I've done that a few times. The first time I took down the web server for a little ISP I worked for.
10:33<HoopyCat>worst part is that a reboot, by definition, generally won't fix it
10:34<Isvara>Hmm. My Mac isn't pingable. I wonder if I even turned it on today.
10:34<Isvara>Its WoL doesn't always seem to work, oddly.
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10:35<reillyeon>I used to have a problem with my laptop's power button, good thing it supported WoL.
10:35<Isvara>It has ceased to start.
10:35<Isvara>It worked last week.
10:36<DaveH>Hi all.. it appears our box is down.. should I post details here, or is there someone to PM?
10:37<HoopyCat>DaveH: which host are you on?
10:37<chesty>have you put in a ticket on the website?
10:37<irgeek>DaveH: 1) Did you try getting in with Lish? 2) If Lish didn't work, did you log in and check it's booted?
10:38<DaveH>hoopy: erm.. our host is preacher.. I'm not actually the box owner (I just have root on it).. but the box owner isn't on the net at the moment, so he asked me to come in here and check on irc
10:40<libervisco>My IO average so far is 600, but may climb higher as the other sites propagate (I've set the notifications threshold to 2000 now)..
10:41<libervisco>I love those graphs btw :)
10:41<HoopyCat>DaveH: haven't heard other reports of trouble yet. do you have a login at to access the dashboard, by chance?
10:42<DaveH>hoopy: no :( I've just text him to ask for the details
10:42<DaveH>there is no ping response from our IP
10:42<DaveH>and as such, no ssh acces
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10:43<mwalling>DaveH: what about to the host?
10:43<DaveH>ah hah
10:43<DaveH>here he is
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10:43<DaveH>'lo DD
10:43<DaveH>[15:41] <HoopyCat> DaveH: haven't heard other reports of trouble yet. do you have a login at to access the dashboard, by chance?
10:43<dungeon>Linode Status Plan IP Address Location Host Edit Remove (rename) dungeon Running Linode 720 & 12 GB Disk FREE (1 more) Fremont, CA, USA fremont22 Edit Remove
10:44<dungeon>according to the member's page, it's running
10:44<dungeon>I didn't witness it go offline
10:44<mwalling>can you access the host.
10:44<irgeek>The host is pingable. You may have hit a kernel panic
10:44<dungeon>The host IS?
10:44<dungeon>I can't ping it from another
10:44<DaveH>mmm.. it's not replying to ping here
10:44<dungeon>FLUX:/home/dungeon/folding $ ping PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
10:44<irgeek>The host, not your Linode.
10:44<HoopyCat>the host is
10:44<dungeon>it's not replying here either
10:44<dungeon>ahh.. so the host is, but the linode isn't?
10:44<dungeon>yet the linode claims it's running.
10:44<Isvara>You wouldn't be able to ping it if the kernel had paniced.
10:45<dungeon>fremont kernel?
10:45<irgeek>Your Linode's kernel.
10:45<HoopyCat>dungeon: yep... you can ssh to with your lish username/password and get to the console
10:45<dungeon>not linode ker...
10:45<dungeon>ahh.. okay
10:45<mwalling>dungeon: linodes run their own kernel independant of the host.
10:45<irgeek>Log into Lish and look at the output.
10:45<dungeon>okay, just gotta dig out my lish details...
10:45<irgeek>Same as the web interface, isn't it?
10:46<irgeek>ssh [username]
10:46<dungeon>kinda thought so, but it's not same username/pass - it's username@host whatever, ian't it?
10:46<HoopyCat>irgeek: not necessarily; you can have multiple linodes per account
10:46<HoopyCat>it's on the Console tab
10:47<irgeek>I guess it depends on how long you've had the Linode. New accounts get the standard linodexxxx logins I think.
10:47<HoopyCat>there's a spiffy ajax console link which'll drop you right to the console
10:48<dungeon> syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unknown facility name "imap" syslogd: unkno
10:48<dungeon>okay... something's barfed.
10:48<dungeon>gonna hoof it.
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10:50<HoopyCat>gotta run, bbl.. good luck!
10:50<DaveH>thanks for your help hoopy
10:50<dungeon>ta, HoopyCat
10:51<HoopyCat>dungeon: p.s. add DaveH a login to the dashboard on the users tab ;-)
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10:55<dungeon>ohh... good point
10:55*dungeon is an idiot!
10:55<DaveH>dd: I need to shoot out to drop a mate home... send me a text if you need me to do anything and I'll crack on with it when I get back
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10:55<dungeon>check #preacher
10:55<dungeon>it's done and up.
10:56<DaveH>good stuff
10:57*DaveH waves buhbye
10:57<DaveH>thanks for the help, folks :)
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12:02<erikh>dungeon: you're likely missing a /etc/services file
12:02<erikh>or worse
12:02<tjfontaine>a service!
12:04<erikh>tjfontaine: I was thinking "part of your root parition", but perhaps!
12:07<tjfontaine>I was just being facetious
12:09<dungeon>erikh: sorry? a /etc/services file?
12:09<erikh>dungeon: yes, it's what tells your network services that imap and port 143 are the same thing
12:09<dungeon>line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl TIOCLINUX called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called line_ioctl: tty0: ioctl KDGKBTYPE called
12:09<dungeon>getting lots of those
12:09<erikh>no idea what that is.
12:10<dungeon>preacher:/home/dave # more /etc/services # /etc/services: # $Id: services,v 1.15 2003/01/20 09:49:18 chmouel Exp $ # # Network services, Internet style # # Note that it is presently the policy of IANA to assign a single well-known # port number for both TCP and UDP; hence, most entries here have two entries # even if the protocol doesn't support UDP operations. # Updated from RFC 1700, ``Assigned Numbers'' (October 1994). Not all ports # are included
12:10<dungeon>nope... got that one
12:10<erikh>dungeon: grep imap /etc/services
12:10<dungeon>the issue was that I was trying to repoint all IMAP facility notices to another file in syslogd
12:10<erikh>is it in there?
12:10<dungeon>preacher:/home/dave # grep imap /etc/services imap 143/tcp imap2 # Interim Mail Access Proto v2 imap 143/udp imap2 imap3 220/tcp # Interactive Mail Access imap3 220/udp # Protocol v3 imaps 993/tcp # IMAP over SSL imaps 993/udp # IMAP over SSL
12:10<erikh>suddenly, things make a lot more sense.
12:10<erikh>dungeon: paste your syslog defs to
12:10<dungeon>but syslogd doesn't like "imap.* /var/log/imap.log"
12:11<erikh>"imap" is not a syslog facility
12:11<dungeon>nope. thought it was.
12:11<erikh>mail.* will likely work though.
12:11<dungeon>dunno how to redirect those facilities..
12:11<dungeon>erm.. nah, mail.* is heading to /var/log/maillog
12:11<dungeon>but imap messages aren't
12:11<erikh>what imapd are you using?
12:11<dungeon>I think they're stropping into secure or auth.log
12:11<dungeon>erm.. dovecot? I'll check
12:11<erikh>well, your daemon may log to several facilities.
12:12<dungeon>preacher:/home/dave # rpm -qa | grep dove dovecot-0.99.10-4mdk
12:12<erikh>auth.* for logins, mail.* for operations, etc.
12:12<dungeon>ah.. so alter the deamon to log to a different facility (like local6 or something) then redirect that in syslogd?
12:12<erikh>if you really want fine-grained control, look at something like syslog-ng
12:12<erikh>that would work as well.
12:12<dungeon>mmm... okay. not ehard of that.
12:12*dungeon <--dead-rat person
12:12<erikh>no worries
12:13<dungeon>anyone know of a good urpmi source for manrape9.1?
12:13<erikh>syslog-ng does everything typical sysloggers do, but it can also direct by regex, daemon, etc.
12:13*dungeon lusts regex
12:13<dungeon>Is this OK? (Y/n) y Installation failed, some files are missing: /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/syslog-ng-1.4.17-2mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libol0-0.2.23-2mdk.i586.rpm You may want to update your urpmi database
12:14<anderiv>sheesh - mandriva. Didn't know that was still around.
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12:15<erikh>dungeon: you should probably read about it first, heh
12:15<dungeon>aye, troo.dat
12:15<dungeon>righty - hometime now.
12:15<dungeon>ta for your help there, erik. Will look more into it.
12:15<dungeon>oh, anyone know if CentOS is offered for linodes?
12:15<anderiv>dungeon: y
12:16<DephNet[Paul]>yes it is, both 4 and 5
12:16<erikh>oh don't worry
12:16<erikh>linodes don't make it any less broken and outdated
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12:16*erikh couldn't resist.
12:17<dungeon>looking no, ta erik.
12:17<dungeon>looking no?
12:17<dungeon>looking NOW.
12:17<dungeon>sodding keybroad
12:17<erikh>oh neat, edge version supports PCRE.
12:18<dungeon>okay, hometime. later, all!
12:18*dungeon ponders on Centos5...
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12:25<irgeek>Stupid Airport. 6to4 tunnels work fine, but I can't get a tunnel through HE to come up. :(
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14:30<cu3edweb>Does linode have 64 bit os's available?
14:30<anderiv>cu3edweb: yep
14:31<cu3edweb>can I install archlinux as a 64 bit?
14:31<anderiv>currently only ubuntu, but you can also roll your own disk image and use that.
14:31<path->isn't there slamd64?
14:31<path->been awhile since i looked
14:32<cu3edweb>Is there a guide to roll your own disk image? I have never done that?
14:35<lucca>on a memory-starved system you'd want to go 32bit
14:35<lucca>32bit pointers are obviously 4 bytes; 64bit are 8. therefore if you can run the same thing within 4G of ram, 32bit is going to be more efficient space-wise.
14:36<lucca>as for slamd.... you're going to try benchmarking i/o intensive stuff on a linode?
14:36<lucca>ah i see
14:37<lucca>"slamd64" has nothing to do with slamd
14:37<lucca>...brillliant naming job there, heh
14:39<linbot>New news from forums: How to load balance larger sites with linnodes? in Performance and Tuning <>
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14:43<mwalling>path-: i gave them what they needed, never heard back
14:47<cu3edweb>Is there that much of a performance difference between 32 bit and 64 bit
14:48<lucca>assuming you have enough ram, it shouldn't make any difference, but that may vary between processor models
14:48<lucca>otherwise, look for the bottleneck
14:48<lucca>if your linode is swapping, that's the slow point independent of word-size issues
14:49<lucca>64bit really only makes sense on linodes if you have to support 64bit apps you don't have source for or something
14:49<lucca>heh, back on the older 64M linodes I kinda wished I could have 16bit processes, 286 protected mode style.
14:50<lucca>and yes, 286's had protected mode.
14:50<lucca>not that anyone ever used it
14:50<mwalling>lucca: Slackware Linux for the AMD64 :)
14:51<lucca>mwalling: heh, okay, fair enough
14:51<lucca>hm, haven't used slackware since 1995-6 or so :/
14:52<path->don't think it's changed much since then
14:52<lucca>that is a rather damning assessment.
14:52<path->i couldn't resist. :)
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14:58<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:58<Isvara>Does Slackware have PAM integrated yet?
14:59<mwalling>Isvara: Swiss Cheese Auth Modules?
14:59<cu3edweb>so as far as running django and between database queries I wouldn't see any benefit from 64 bit if I have enough ram?
14:59<Isvara>You're saying Slackware is a SCAM?
14:59<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
14:59<mwalling>Isvara: s/Slackware/PAM/
15:00<Isvara>Yeah, you're right, Slackware is a scam. A few people are fooled into using it, though.
15:00<mwalling>path-: slackware-current has KDE 4.1 in testing/, prolly be in 12.1+2
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15:01<path->i should try kde again one day
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15:07<lucca>hey, at least they migrated to using ELF binaries
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15:10<lucca>slack, rather
15:10<SelfishMan>Why does Slackware insist on fighting the modern world?
15:11<lucca>PAM modules are a great idea... executed poorly
15:11<mwalling>SelfishMan: modern != good
15:12<SelfishMan>mwalling: ancient != better
15:12<mwalling>lucca: exactly. Dropline (a gnome addon for slack, who packages pam) shipped a release with an always allow line in something for GDM
15:12<mwalling>something that major shouldnt be that easy
15:13<lucca>other distributions packing it are less susceptible
15:13<lucca>debian's conffiles system is very flexible in that way
15:14<lucca>assuming you are anal enough to always check what is going on during an update
15:18<mwalling>you like it
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15:18<scott>only from you
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15:36<Clorith>does anyone know any reliable VPS providers in europe ?
15:36<Clorith>preferably not hella pricy on the UK docklands, because I've already seen them, and the stability of those are crappy to say the least, and the price is ridicculus
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16:01<DephNet[Paul]>Clorith, XEN or OpenVZ?
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16:04<DephNet[Paul]>or god forbid VZ itself
16:04<SelfishMan>Not "crappy" means XEN doesn't it?
16:06<Battousai>i'm sure there are crappy xen providers
16:06<DephNet[Paul]>there are some not crappy OpenVZ hosts :P
16:06<DephNet[Paul]>i used to work for one, untill 1) they started overloading their nodes and 2) the owner started being an arse
16:06<SelfishMan>DephNet[Paul]: VAServ I assume?!?
16:06<SelfishMan>or whatever name they are using this week
16:07<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, yeah
16:07<DephNet[Paul]>how did you guess?
16:07<Clorith>either tbh
16:07<Clorith>although I do enjoy xen =P
16:08<SelfishMan>I've had a lot of nodes with Rus and his flavor-of-the-week company name off and on for years. They are better than Tektonic but I still don't use them for anything real
16:08<SelfishMan>I bought a node with VPSEmpire after he bought it but just before the stopped selling just to get a really cheap node for shipping backups to
16:09<DephNet[Paul]>this is where caker should expand next :P
16:09<DephNet[Paul]>if he did id get a couple extra linodes
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16:10<Clorith>I've said it before and I'll repeat it, linode needs an EU branch
16:10<SelfishMan>There are a few companies that have tried doing the storage VPS thing that had minimal resources but a lot of disk. I would like to see something like that happen but I'm betting for the price a dedicated NAS would be a better investment
16:10*SelfishMan stabs that evil thread
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16:13<SelfishMan>"Template::Plugin::GD::Graph::bars - Create bar graphs with axes and legends"
16:13<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, yeah, what i dont like is when he "goes out of his way" to help a client that "should never have had the support in the first place", that always seems to be the case when he has screwed up somehow
16:13<SelfishMan>dammit, wrong window
16:14<SelfishMan>DephNet[Paul]: I must say I've never had that problem. My nodes just work but then again I don't do anything that major with them. I consider them throw-away nodes.
16:16<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, best to with VAServ, when i was working with him i saw a node that had 8GiB of RAM, but he had sold almost 32GiB on that node alone
16:18<SelfishMan>I can believe it
16:18<path->our san product has a thin provisioning feature
16:18<path->where you can make volumes look larger than the actual disk
16:18<path->i now see where that can be useful
16:18<DephNet[Paul]>thats one of the reasons i like Xen so much now, you cant oversell the RAM
16:20<SelfishMan>Yeah, the whole "bursting" thing always seemed screwy to me. It isn't cost effective to have that much extra memory sitting around in the first place.
16:21<SelfishMan>I think he's hiring again if you need something to do
16:22<DephNet[Paul]>if he had done that then he would have needed atleast 64GiB on that node where he oversold by a factor of 4, i think that was his least oversold node
16:24<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, not being funny but id rather ingest my own scrotum than work for him again, i got paid about £4.50 ($9) an hour, thats less than minimum wage, even then i had to pretty much bitch at him daily to be paid
16:25<SelfishMan>But he offers free nodes for employees!
16:25<DephNet[Paul]>does he?
16:25<DephNet[Paul]>thats new as when i worked for him i had to pay for mine
16:25<SelfishMan>That's what the email he sent to customers said
16:25<SelfishMan>Wait, I think it said free or discounted node for referring the new employee
16:26<mwalling>caker gives free nodes :P
16:26<DephNet[Paul]>lol, probably discounted
16:26<SelfishMan>50% off this double price node?
16:27<DephNet[Paul]>at a rate of 0.01% discount
16:27<DephNet[Paul]>but hey, working for him taught me one thing xD
16:27<DephNet[Paul]>how NOT to treat your clients/staff
16:27<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, yep
16:28<DephNet[Paul]>if he needs more staff im suprised hes not asked for more indians from his outsourcing firm
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16:38<atourino>remind me not to get in you guys' bad side... sheesh
16:40<DephNet[Paul]>lol atourino, i doubt you would get on my bad side, and thats not as evil as i can be, i save that for my brother xD
16:40*SelfishMan swaps atourino's Linode for an OpenVZ node with burstable RAM
16:40<DephNet[Paul]>SelfishMan, that on one of Rus' nodes :P
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16:44<SelfishMan>Anyone know of a better looking way to graph data in perl? Something that isn't GD::Graph based?
16:46<erikh>SelfishMan: Imager?
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16:46<randallman>about how long it take for reverse DNS to get to theshore's DNS servers?
16:46<erikh>I think it actually sits on top of GD
16:46<SelfishMan>Does it look better?
16:46<mwalling>randallman: the declared time is ~24 hrs
16:46<randallman>i.e. I changed reverse DNS and about 3 hours later is still has not changed in theshore's NS's
16:46<randallman>Ahh ok thanks
16:46<bob2>randallman: ~day
16:46<erikh>no idea, I know we use it here but I haven't messed with the code yet.
16:47<randallman>Cest La Vie
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16:47<SelfishMan>GD::Graph::bars3d looks ok but still looks like 1980's graphics
16:50<ae5ir>it's not a bug, it's a feature.
16:52<SelfishMan>You know it's bad when excel produces better looking graphs
16:52<erikh>SelfishMan: the rrd 2.x series produces some wonderful stuff
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17:40<r3z>Anyoen have any good perl ebooks aimed towards admins?
17:43<erikh>r3z: the camel (Programming Perl) is a better resource than you might thing.
17:43<erikh>think, even.
17:43<erikh>also keep in mind perl was originally a tool for system administration, not application development. it's been a while, but a great deal of the examples in the camel are easily aimed at sysadminny tasks
17:43<erikh>and it's what, $30? worth it.
17:44<erikh>between that and mastering regular expressions, you'll likely get a firm grasp on text manipulation, period
17:44<tjfontaine>I thought it was a language for practical extraction of reports?
17:44<erikh>tjfontaine: it's a rubbish lister
17:44<erikh>or it's the insane amalgation of awk and sed with OOP features
17:44<path->i finally got gmail themes
17:45<tjfontaine>it's some dudes acid trip
17:45<r3z>the camel?
17:45<mwalling>they coming to /a/?
17:45<tjfontaine>r3z: oreilly book with the camel on it
17:45<mwalling>r3z: oriley press
17:45<erikh>r3z: "Programming Perl", from O'Reilly, has a camel on teh front.
17:45<erikh>written by larry wall.
17:45<tjfontaine>on acid.
17:46<erikh>tjfontaine: perl's basics are very, very elegant, it's just that lots of people have been using it for lots of different things, and it's grown beyond that.
17:46<erikh>compare C++.
17:46<mwalling>^^ perl
17:47<tjfontaine>erikh: I'm familiar
17:47<erikh>fair enough, just a perl apologist here.
17:47<tjfontaine>it has its uses, and it's where I started
17:47<erikh>too many people just blindly write off perl because someone else told them to
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17:47<tjfontaine>I've moved on though :)
17:47<erikh>I don't move on from languages ;)
17:47<erikh>i just get new ones to work with
17:47<tjfontaine>it's not my first choice for any project, unless there are only modules in cpan
17:48<atourino>perl is cool to write software with... a nightmare to maintain... that has been my experience... :/
17:48<tjfontaine>it's not bad to maintain if all you do is perl
17:48<erikh>I prefer it for web projects, or anything that needs a reasonable medium of processing and development
17:48<tjfontaine>or php
17:48<iobright>I'm taking over a pre-existing website and moving it to my own server. The site current redirects mail to off-site email addresses. What's the easiest way to maintain this functionality on a linode? I don't have a mail serverinstalled.
17:48<erikh>these days I use ruby for nearly everything else.
17:48<tjfontaine>iobright: postfix in smarthost mode
17:48<erikh>because it's like perl and smalltalk had a love child
17:49<SelfishMan>Don't insult perl and smalltalk like that
17:49<atourino>the thing is... that if there are more ways than one to do something... chances are the program you are stuck maintaining does not do them how you think it should
17:49<Clorith>so err, I kinda fell off the wagon, did we ever come to a europe vps conclusion? =P
17:49<tjfontaine>ruby > python > perl > php ;) to be offhanded
17:49<Battousai>> vb
17:49*SelfishMan stabs Clorith
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17:50*SelfishMan stabs Clorith again for thinking about responding
17:50<atourino>and it's hard to wrap your brain around someone else's logic... let alone wrestle with perl's flexible syntax sometimes...
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17:50<Clorith>well, you just suddenly jumped on to talking about some guy someone had worked for that sucked at it or something
17:50<SelfishMan>atourino: I'm a big supporter of writing unmaintainable code. If you can't fully grasp what everything does then I don't want you touching it.
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17:51<SelfishMan>Clorith: We were answering your question about the EU VPS provider
17:51<atourino>then perl is definitely for you
17:51<kev009_>um, perl is nasty
17:51<kev009_>ruby is a fad language
17:51<kev009_>python is where its at
17:51<SelfishMan>ruby is the VB of web languages
17:51<atourino>... for you...
17:52<SelfishMan>Drunken idiot just drove throught the front of the hardware store across the street
17:53<tjfontaine>hah ruby is a fad
17:53<Battousai>uh oh
17:53<Clorith>SelfishMan, really? it was rather comfusing then, lol
17:53<Clorith>how about a summary ? =P
17:54<Battousai>tjfontaine: don't /kill him ;)
17:54<tjfontaine>come here my sweet
17:54<DephNet[Paul]>Clorith, summary on a EU VPS provider?
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17:54<SelfishMan>$URLANGOFCHOICE sucks
17:55<SelfishMan>Clorith: VAServ/A2B2/Rus Foster has several "companies" offering nodes over there. They all suck.
17:55<tjfontaine>macruby is neat actually, if you're looking for platform integration
17:55*atourino sweets tjfontaine's here
17:55<atourino>that's anecdotal
17:55<DephNet[Paul]>Clorith, not VAServ :P
17:55<Clorith>I see, so not VAServ (never heard of'em to begin with any way)
17:56<SelfishMan>I don't know of any other VPS providers except for the guys the specialize in game servers
17:56<atourino>how about franchising linode?
17:56<atourino>for the EU market
17:58<Clorith>incredible how hard it should be to find one in europe...
17:59<Clorith>I guess the US market is too cheap for new ones to establish, so there's a wide range there (a LOT of new starter up ones I noticed), yet nothing for us poor europeans
18:01<atourino>maybe people are willing to put up with the increased latency to save themselves a few euros?
18:01<DephNet[Paul]>Clorith, there is that, and in the EU we have to pay VAT on purchases, while if we purchase from the states we dont
18:02<Clorith>not if your not part of the EU ;)
18:03<Clorith>go norway! haha
18:03<DephNet[Paul]>heh, true
18:03<path->wait until there is a global currency
18:04<SelfishMan>path-: Gold?
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18:04<path->they'll be unos
18:04<DephNet[Paul]>path-, they did say the Euro would be equal across the whole of the EU, yet each different country in the Eurozone charges a different amount of VAT
18:05<path->supposedly, that topic was part of the G20 meeting
18:05<path->as a way to avert future financial crisis
18:05<Clorith>unos...I like that
18:05<Clorith>I wonder what they'll look like...
18:07<Clorith>wouldn't taht just make a crisis taht erupts a major catastrophe worldwide ?
18:08<path->i think it's dumb
18:08<path->i don't think all the banks in the US buying eachother helped
18:09<DephNet[Paul]>we are getting that here too
18:10<Clorith>the government is buying banks here pretty much
18:12<atourino>how's iceland doing?
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18:13<Clorith>there's talk of iceland changing to the norwegian currency
18:13<Clorith>because they're screwed
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18:25<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:25<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:25<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:25<linbot>SelfishMan: *click*
18:25<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:25*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:26<SelfishMan>It's just not any fun without actual consequences
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18:27<tjfontaine>hahahaha, irony++
18:27<tjfontaine>you made my night SelfishMan
18:28<path->that should go on one of those silly irc quote sites
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18:28<tjfontaine>path-: I agree whole heartedly
18:28<linbot>guinea-pig: *click*
18:28<guinea-pig>just checkin'
18:29*linbot dispenses Tastykakes to everyone that isn't +qed
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18:35<Guest16>So I was playing with screen in the ajax lish console and I broke it, can I restart it or something :<
18:36<path->restart it?
18:36<Guest16>Well.. yeah :p
18:36<path->i think worse comes to worse, you can reboot your linode
18:36<Guest16>If just frozen/doesn't show what I'm typing
18:37<Guest16>Well it's nothing to do with the linode its just the ajax terminal
18:37<path->might be ^Q or ^S
18:37<path->flow control
18:37<Guest16>Hmm I will try
18:37<path->one stops and one start, i always forget
18:38<Clorith>S is start, isn't it ?
18:38<Guest16>How can I do ^Q in the ajax console..
18:38<Clorith>ctrl+Q ?
18:38<Guest16>Doesn't do anything
18:38<Guest16>I don't think the ^ commands work..
18:39<guinea-pig>the browser probably steals it
18:39<Guest16>Yeah when I hit Ctrl S I get the save page box
18:39<guinea-pig>^S should freeze :P
18:39<path->try lish
18:40<Guest16>Why :p
18:40<Guest16>Putty works fine I have no problem accessing my box
18:40<Guest16>Just the ajax terminal is broken
18:40<Clorith>when did you last restart your node ?
18:40<Guest16>The last time I needed to.. weeks ago
18:40<Clorith>I had this problem, and it was already resolved, but not live on my node because it hadn't been restarted isnce the update =)
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18:42<path->not putty per se
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18:42<path->the other ssh
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19:21<ajsharp>I just created a new linode account, and I'm a little confused as to how to set up my OS
19:21<path->you deploy a linode yet?
19:21<ajsharp>Can I just go to "Deploy a Linux Distribution", or do I have to create a Disk Image first?
19:21<path->just do the deploy thing
19:21<ajsharp>I haven't done anything yet
19:22<ajsharp>ah perfect that's what i was looking for
19:22<guinea-pig>... a mov?
19:22<path->things have changed slightly, but you should get the general idea
19:23<ajsharp>right yea
19:23<ajsharp>I assume all the distros are 32-bit unless they specify otherwise?
19:24<path->you probably don't want 64bit with a vm with limited memory
19:24<ajsharp>yea that's actually the main reason I came to linod
19:25<ajsharp>64-bit is murdering me with 256mb ram
19:25<path->for 64bit?
19:25<ajsharp>no for 32-bit
19:25<path->heh, ok
19:25<path->from slicehost(TM)
19:26<ajsharp>ha, yep, took the words outta my mouth
19:26<ajsharp>nice TM
19:26<path->check that out, i think some people have used that to copy their entire slicehost image
19:26<path->you'll need to update the ip address and whatnot
19:26<path->oh wait
19:26<ajsharp>well, my slicehost accounts are on older ubuntu distros
19:26<path->don't do that, then it'll be 64bit
19:26<ajsharp>so i may just start fresh
19:26<ajsharp>oh well
19:26-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*@] by FloodServ
19:27<ajsharp>i'm deploying rails apps, and im hoping to see much better memory consumption out of my app servers on a 32-bit box
19:27<path->the extra 100mb should help too
19:27<ajsharp>do you have any experience with ubuntu, or can you recommend 8.10 over 8.04?
19:28<ajsharp>I've been using gutsy for a while, but that's a bit old now
19:28<path->i'm using 8.10 on my desktop and 8.04 on my servers
19:28<exor674>I love these bugs haha
19:28<path->i figured that way, the servers will be stable for a long time
19:28<ajsharp>yea i see that have gutsy on here, but it's probably time to move up to heron
19:29<ajsharp>i think support for gutsy ends in like, not too long
19:29<ajsharp>i don't remember
19:29<path->i did the in place upgrade on my desktop from 8.04 to 8.10 and it worked well
19:29<path->had to mess with the video drivers some, but other than that.. it's been good
19:30<path->you could do the same with the 8.04 image
19:30<ajsharp>I think i'll just go with 8.04
19:30<tjfontaine>I have servers at work that went edgy -> hardy
19:30<tjfontaine>point by point
19:30<@caker>ajsharp: hello
19:30<ajsharp>caker; hello again
19:31<@caker>how's TN? :(
19:31<ajsharp>caker: told you i'd be back
19:31*caker misses
19:31<ajsharp>caker: how'd you know i was from TN?
19:31<@caker>hostname, and then my Linode superpowers
19:31<path->he probably saw your account activation
19:31<@caker>path-: auto activation yo!
19:32<path->i'm sure you still tail some log file :)
19:32<@caker>I so am
19:32<ajsharp>TN is good, where are you from?
19:32<@caker>I lived in Nashville for ~9 years up until last year
19:32<exor674>kernel_task using 16,777,216TB == best bug evah
19:32<ajsharp>yea i grew up in franklin, living there now and moving to west end in about two weeks
19:33<@caker>fancy :)
19:33<tjfontaine> you died this past march
19:33<@caker>I miss Fidos, Las Palmas, Baja Burritttto, and so many other places
19:33<tjfontaine>just thought you should know
19:34<ajsharp>Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985) .... Cowboy #2
19:34<ajsharp>best work of my life
19:34<ajsharp>caker: where do you live now?
19:34<@caker>southern NJ
19:34<ajsharp>wow, quite the change
19:35<Nivex>I haven't been to a Baja Burrito in quite awhile. I hear "Welcome to Moe's!" quite a bit now
19:35<ajsharp>Moe's....a Homewrecker == Insta-nap
19:36<@caker>Nivex: the owner is a colleague of mine
19:36<@caker>but I never went
19:36<ajsharp>of moes?
19:36<ajsharp>or baha?
19:36<@caker>yes -- of the Nashville ones, anyway :)
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19:39<@caker>well, I know the Baha guy, too (Troy, I think?) -- but we'd just shoot the shit
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19:39<@caker>damn .. I really miss Nashville restaurants
19:39<ajsharp>yea Fido's is a great place
19:39<ajsharp>Hillsboro village in general is just awesome
19:40<Xel>So caker, I hear that the deadline for storage nodes was pushed out to 2010.
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19:40<@caker>Xel: for you, yes
19:40<pmw>Hi, all.
19:40<SelfishMan>Storage nodes? I heard they were coming soon?
19:40<pmw>Can some linoder look at my linode and see what's wrong with it?
19:40*SelfishMan ducks
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19:41<@caker>pmw: ?
19:42<pmw>caker: It aborts SSH connections while initiating them but the webserver works, and I cannot log in through the console: the login process never gets to bash.
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19:42<pmw>caker: It was working fine earlier today, and as far as I know I didn't do anything.
19:43<@caker>which node?
19:43<pmw>Oh, also my IMAP server doesn't work anymore.
19:43<SelfishMan>I would bet that the SSH attacks have swamped your node a bit. Install DenyHosts or Fail2Ban when you regain access to it
19:43<Internat>is this a xenify issue again?
19:43<pmw>SelfishMan: It's not just SSH.
19:44<straterr1>Is that in newark, pmw?
19:44<pmw>And the graphs look fine; nothing looks out of the ordinary.
19:45<@caker>pmw: hrm ... nothing obvious from our end
19:46<pmw>I'll reboot it, then.
19:47<ajsharp>can anyone tell me, in my /etc/sudoers file, does this line give root access to the admin group: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
19:47<ajsharp>i.e. does the '%' specify a group instead of a user?
19:47*tierra impatiently waits for caker to slip up on details of storage nodes...
19:47<pmw>caker: Now it looks like it's not shutting down.
19:48<pmw>System Shutdown has been "in progress" for about two minutes now.
19:48<@caker>pmw: it will ... eventually it gives up and kills the domain at aroud 2.5min
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19:48<pmw>caker: Do you have any ideas of what might've happened?
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19:49<@caker>pmw: not with any certainty, no
19:49<pmw>All right.
19:49<@caker>pmw: I did issue two sysrqs -- one to dump mem and one to dump the tasklist
19:51<@caker>pmw: they didn't appear in console (maybe syslog sucked them in and logged them somewhere?)
19:51<@caker>or maybe the console was just dead
19:53<ajsharp>does anyone know, is there another "iptables" like tool that i should be using with ubuntu 8.04, or do i just need to install it via aptitude?
19:54<@caker>iptables is the tool
19:55<ajsharp>thanks, also, is there any difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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19:55<path->you can use "ufw" to manage iptables
19:55<SelfishMan>ajsharp: Not really
19:56<path->or shorewall and others..
19:56<ajsharp>cool, thanks
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19:56<path->i think one installs recommends or suggestions by default.. but they corrected that in 8.10?
19:58<path->caker, philly beer guy blog
19:58<path->google reader suggested that for me :P
19:58<@caker>I recently discovered
19:59<ajsharp>haha, that guy is nuts
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20:01<ajsharp>so i've just got the base of my ubuntu 8.04 node setup
20:02<ajsharp>and i ran free -m, and noticed that 100mb are already being used, whereas when i was using ubuntu 7.1, only like 40-50 were being used on a fresh install
20:02<ajsharp>granted, the ubuntu 7.1 is on a 64-bit machine
20:02<ae5ir>you mean 7.10, I assume
20:03<ajsharp>ae5ir: yes
20:03<guinea-pig>signifigant 0's
20:03<ajsharp>haha, yes indeed
20:03<ae5ir>well it represents a ten
20:03<ae5ir>not a one
20:03<guinea-pig>which is why it's 8.04, and not 8.4
20:03<guinea-pig>so it fits
20:03<libervisco>there's an "admin" group in my ubuntu-server (by default)
20:03<guinea-pig>eep! battery dies! bbiab
20:04<ae5ir>curse you, battery!
20:04<libervisco>but I need an "admin" user for admin@mydomain email, and it's conflicting
20:04<ajsharp>anyway, would you guess that the difference in "default" ram consumption is the result going from 64-bit to 32-bit, or b/c of the difference in distros
20:04<mwalling>use an alias.
20:04<libervisco>that is, wont let me adduser admin
20:04<mwalling>use an alias.
20:04<libervisco>mwalling, tried, but it apparently needs an admin user to alias
20:05<mwalling>you're doing it wrong
20:05<path->vim /etc/aliases; newaliases
20:06<libervisco>I put admin: in it
20:06<libervisco>in /etc/aliases
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20:11<irgeek>I don't think I've ever see caker wield the ban hammer before.
20:11*path- either
20:11<ajsharp>is there another tool other than 'top' for checking which process are using resources?
20:11<ajsharp>free says im using 251 mb ram, and i'm not running anything
20:12*Hobbsee wonders what that person did
20:12<path->is it used under "cached"
20:12<libervisco>he's french
20:12<@caker>ajsharp: Linux uses all free memory for caching
20:12<ajsharp>just mem
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20:12<ajsharp>ah...what do you all recommend for swap size on a 360 linode?
20:13<ajsharp>im using 256 right now
20:13<@mikegrb>default is good
20:13<path->thats good
20:13<irgeek>ajsharp: Mine's 128M
20:13<path->if you run free and see a big number under "cached", thats where all the memory is going
20:13<irgeek>If you really need a lot of swap, it's probably time to think about upgrading.
20:14<ajsharp>path: yea i'm only reporting 35 under cached
20:15<mwalling>caker: straterra broke it!
20:15<ajsharp>has anyone here built a recent version of ruby from source?
20:15<ae5ir>who determined that one lolbot wasn't enough
20:16<ae5ir>just wondered
20:17<mwalling>hmm, ratelimiting win
20:17<irgeek>ajsharp: Install procinfo and keep and eye on your swap in/out. If stays pretty low most of the time, you've got enough memory.
20:17-!-mode/#linode [+q *!*] by FloodServ
20:17<mwalling>mikegrb cheats
20:17<ajsharp>irgeek: thanks i'll check it out
20:18<jkwood>ajsharp: I did just the other day.
20:18<jkwood>What's up?
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20:18<straterr1>jkwood: I'm breaking shit :/
20:19<ajsharp>jkwood: was it a fairly painless process?
20:19<ajsharp>jkwood: the version in the ubuntu 8.04 repo is a bit outdated
20:19<jkwood>straterr1: Now, now.
20:19<jkwood>ajsharp: It was for me.
20:19<jkwood>Know bash?
20:19<ajsharp>yea pretty well
20:19<mwalling>jkwood: SB?
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20:20<jkwood>mwalling: Exactly.
20:20<mwalling>jkwood: dont say it too loud ;)
20:21<Pyromancer>anyone else getting inordinately hammered on their sshd?
20:21<jkwood>That's the build script I used. It's for Slamd64, so there's no way you can use it on Ubuntu.
20:22<mwalling>Pyromancer: inbound?
20:22<jkwood>However, it gives great ideas on some defaults.
20:22<Pyromancer>yeah I have over 150 new denyhosts over the past day
20:22<mwalling>Pyromancer: newark?
20:22<ajsharp>jkwood: did you build with ssl?
20:23<jkwood>ajsharp: Erm... Heck if I know.
20:23<jkwood>It should have it, I think.
20:23<jkwood>Pyromancer: Our dev server got hit for 8 hours this morning. The botnets are getting back at it.
20:23<libervisco>so this didn't quite work :P
20:23<mwalling>Pyromancer: 13:49 < straterra> server is being hammered with SSH attempts
20:24<mwalling>(EST, but hes in newark)
20:24<Pyromancer>they have been going at more for a little less than 24 hours
20:24<irgeek>libervisco: What didn't work?
20:25<libervisco>not sure, network went down when I restarted /etc/init.d/networking
20:25<libervisco>but I didn't reboot, is that mandatory?
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20:26<mwalling>are you running windows or upgrading your kernel?
20:26<libervisco>neither :P
20:26<mwalling>then no.
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20:27<libervisco>though I didn't quite get this sentence "Add the following info auto eth0 to the /etc/network/interfaces file"
20:28<libervisco>does it mean add that after auto eth0?
20:28<ang>hmm, outgoing traffic on my linode seems to be peaking at 1.45mbps
20:28<@caker>to where?
20:28<straterr1>My linode :P
20:28<irgeek>libervisco: Yeah.
20:28<ang>hits 1.45 on the graph and basicaly levels out
20:28<libervisco>I did so
20:29<irgeek>The network & broadcast lines are optional.
20:29<libervisco>it does also say "Reboot the linode server to get the static address set."
20:29<libervisco>which I didn't do..
20:29<@caker>libervisco: make sure you reboot 3 times
20:29<irgeek>Can you paste it to
20:29*jkwood recakers boot times 3
20:29<libervisco>paste what?
20:30<irgeek>Your /etc/network/interfaces
20:30<@caker>ang: paste a link for us and we'll download something from your Linode. I'm sure we can get that past 1.4mbps
20:31<path->we all can try :)
20:31<irgeek>Your IP isn't 192.168.x.x
20:31<encode>mine is
20:32<libervisco>you mean address line?
20:32<mwalling>mine is 7f000001. ddos me bitches!
20:32<irgeek>Unless you only want to communicate with another Linode over private IPs.
20:34<irgeek>libervisco: Is that really in the file, or did you scrub your IP so we wouldn't see it?
20:34<encode>my ip address is really 2130706433
20:34<libervisco>irgeek, it's really in :S
20:34<libervisco>I'm a noob I know :P
20:34<libervisco>but looking at ifconfig now
20:34<irgeek>libervisco: Read the last line on the wiki page you were following.
20:34<ang>nice big ISO
20:35<mwalling>encode: nice
20:35<libervisco>yeah.. though gives an error
20:35<path->i was getting 3M/s, now it's like 600K/s
20:36<mwalling>caker: *poof* ?
20:36<irgeek>I'm getting ~ 400K/s
20:36<libervisco>oh, works
20:36*jadoba is getting 3.4M/s ...
20:36<path->i ^c'd
20:36<path->didn't want slackware on my fs
20:37<ang>a friend runs a woot tracker from my linode, guess he's getting complaints of a lot of timeouts
20:37<@jadoba>wget -O /dev/null ...
20:37*path- grins
20:37<@jadoba>not actually saving it anywhere, so no IO bottleneck!
20:37<mwalling>path-: you mean you dont want the awesomeness
20:37<@caker>600k/sec from the download atlanta linode
20:38<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
20:38<path->i can't handle the awesomeness of slackware
20:38<linbot>hard to believe, I know
20:38<ang>you might recall I raised a ticket sometime back for some suckiness at gnax...i think it's the same situation
20:38*jkwood beats the other two bots with a stack of floppy disks
20:38<mwalling>peaked at just over 1/m, bouncing between 500...800, now back up to 1.5m
20:39<@jadoba>20:39:01 (2.99 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [691970048/691970048]
20:39<ang>some of us must be hitting a crappy route
20:41<linbot>New news from wiki: Configure Static IP <>
20:41<libervisco>looks like I don't necessarily need the network line?
20:41<libervisco>in iface eth0 inet static
20:41<ang>bouncing b/w 100 and 800 for me
20:41<mwalling>now that jadoba stopped, i'm > 3
20:41<irgeek>libervisco: If you put the correct numbers in, you'll get better results.
20:41<jkwood>Do I need to try this too?
20:41<mwalling>jkwood: sure
20:41<mwalling>oh, down to 1.5 now
20:41<@caker>ang: we do cap outgoing traffic to 35Mbit/sec (about 4.3MBytes/sec) on each Linode. We can adjust this if you need moaaar bitz
20:42<@caker>ang: want me to crank it?
20:42<jkwood>Bouncing around at 1 meg from
20:42<ang>but i'm more curious if there is really an issue or if my friend is on crack
20:42<irgeek>libervisco: address, netmask & gateway are required, that's all
20:42<straterr1>He's on zomgcrack
20:42<libervisco>irgeek, of course, but I'm not sure what to put in the network line, and seeing some examples here: seems like I don't have to
20:43<libervisco>oh ok
20:43*caker gives ang more rope
20:43<libervisco>thanks irgeek
20:43<jkwood>120 k/s from my laptop.
20:43<@caker>ang: you'll need to reboot to get the new raised limit
20:43<ang>ty, sir
20:44<jkwood>Well, that was entertaining.
20:44*jkwood Ctrl^C's both d/ls
20:46*mwalling goes back to reading redbooks
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20:49<memenode>still having in the name
20:49<memenode>maybe I should reboot..
20:50-!-memenode is now known as libervisco2
20:51<path->change your hostname?
20:51<libervisco2>er I meant
20:51<mwalling>libervisco2: you know thats your reverse dns, right?
20:51<libervisco2>wasn't static IPing supposed to show just the IP?
20:53<mwalling>not if OFTCs servers can resolve a PTR record for you
20:53<mwalling>which they can, because linode sets a default one
20:53<jkwood>memenode... it's perfect!
20:53<linbot>mwalling: yourmom
20:53<mwalling>libervisco2: btw, ^^ we know your ip
20:53<linbot>oh, snap!
20:53<mwalling>linbot: knock it off before i (have someone) knock you off
20:53<straterr1>I'll get him off!
20:53<straterr1>err, knock him off
20:53<reillyeon>Is it a robot revolt?
20:54<linbot>humans taste good
20:54<libervisco>heh ok.. never mind, I'm wasting time on unimportant stuff...
20:54<libervisco>what's the whole deal with configuring static IP then? :D
20:55<libervisco>(I never done it as you might guess.. just used what was given on slicehost)
20:55<reillyeon>You need to if you have more than one, or you don't trust DHCP.
20:55<libervisco>alright then
20:55<jkwood>linbot: You might be right.
20:55<mwalling>libervisco2: linode offers DHCP for instant on-ness, but all it does is assign you your default ip
20:55*jkwood tries to find a human to nom
20:55<mwalling>er, assigned ip
20:55<mwalling>jkwood: straterr1
20:56<libervisco2>okay :)
20:56<path->libervisco2: you have a domain name?
20:56<jkwood>Not sure that's safe.
20:56<libervisco2>17 currently added to my node
20:56<path->you may want to set your reverse dns
20:57<libervisco>great :)
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20:57<mwalling>its going to take 24 hours.
20:58<libervisco2>oh ok
20:58<mwalling>reconnecting to irc isnt going to fix it
20:58<libervisco>thanks :)
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21:00<libervisco>lot's of options on linode :P
21:00<mwalling>i thought slicehost was better?
21:00<libervisco>it wasn't :)
21:00<libervisco>so far I feel much better here
21:04<jkwood>linbot: Those free massages really are working. Good idea.
21:04*linbot slaps jkwood
21:04<libervisco>good there's no second bot shouting lo lz
21:05<libervisco>that was kinda overkill :P
21:05<ang>is there anyway to reset the network graph?
21:06<mwalling>libervisco: 21:05 [6oftc] [*] #linode *!* FloodServ! 1227230242
21:06<mwalling>thats why.
21:06<irgeek>libervisco: If your forward and reverse DNS match, many receiving mail servers will trust you more.
21:07<irgeek>Actually, if they don't match a small number of receiving mail servers will block you.
21:08<libervisco>oh you mean should match it?
21:08<irgeek>Which is really annoying when you're setting up a server in Egypt because the main ISP there doesn't understand DNS and requires upper-management approval to set rDNS.
21:09<mwalling>doesnt have to be mail.
21:09<mwalling>mine is you.
21:09<path->mine is a
21:10<libervisco>hehe cool
21:10<irgeek>libervisco: The actual content doesn't matter, as long as they match and your mail server announces itself as that name.
21:10<jkwood>Mine is lazy.
21:10<libervisco>I see
21:10<jkwood>Oh, and my server name is lazy too.
21:17-!-mode/#linode [-q *!*] by FloodServ
21:20<linbot>guinea-pig: *click*
21:25<linbot>irgeek: *click*
21:25<linbot>guinea-pig: *click*
21:26<linbot>irgeek: *click*
21:27<guinea-pig>i think it's broken
21:27<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
21:27*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
21:27<guinea-pig>yup, broken
21:29<purrdeta>IT isnt oped... It cant work properly
21:29<guinea-pig>how sad
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21:29<guinea-pig>back in my day, it was always opped
21:29<Shawnc>Hi, how do i make my second ip work properly?
21:30<Shawnc>like the rDNS works, but i can't use it for other things
21:31<ang>ok. I figured it out. and I'm embarassed to say it was my fault :)
21:31<@caker>ang: we must know what it was
21:32<jkwood>TELL US
21:32<ang>my lame firehol setup had protection strong on
21:32<Shawnc>Hey jkwood
21:32-!-Shawnc is now known as Canadia
21:32<Canadia>hows it going?
21:32<ang>wc -l /proc/net/ip_conntrack
21:32<ang>14573 /proc/net/ip_conntrack
21:32<jkwood>Just chillin with my bot-homies.
21:32<ang>before i took t off, it wasn't even hitting 3k
21:32<Canadia>the funny thing is, is that in June i moved to the states :)
21:33<booja>and now you're moving back?
21:33<Canadia>well, dad still lives up there
21:42<HoopyCat>jeez, how long can this phish song be?
21:46<guinea-pig>about 20 minutes?
21:46<path->do do doo do do do
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21:47*path- looks for some circus music
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21:47<guinea-pig>fair guess, i know they've got a few 20-minute recordings
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22:16<tjfontaine>osuosl died?
22:17<Hobbsee>oh dear
22:17*Hobbsee throws tjfontaine some duct tape
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22:20<tjfontaine>no email yet from them
22:21<tjfontaine>[11-20] 22:21 -!- [] Server Up 0 days, 0:15:06
22:22<path->Oregon State University Open Source Lab?
22:22<tjfontaine>seems like they rebooted our domu at osuosl
22:22<tjfontaine>did FN have a split?
22:23<tjfontaine> 03:22:28 up 16 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.03
22:23<path->i haven't been there in weeks
22:23<@caker>tjfontaine: not in any of the FN channels I'm in
22:23<tjfontaine>ok, then it was kept to our xen host from them
22:23<guinea-pig>FN=freenode or foonetic?
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22:27<tjfontaine>guess he lives up to that hostname
22:28<path->whats a larich?
22:29<path->Larich Pizza in cleveland?
22:29<irgeek>People who live in LA and make lots of money?
22:29<path->that comes up in google too
22:29<Clorith>ninja gmail, does it get better?
22:30*irgeek thinks having complete control over your own mail is better
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22:34<tjfontaine>path-: chiral backwards?
22:34<tjfontaine>ch being one char
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22:34<path->how tricky you are
22:35<tjfontaine>not I said the fly
22:35<tjfontaine>and there's a larich pizza in cleveland?
22:35<tjfontaine>so there is
22:35<tjfontaine>maybe I should try it for oftc
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22:36<path->you guys have meetings?
22:36<mrichman>Anyone have trouble with `gem install rails` on a 360MB VPS?
22:37<@caker>mrichman: I think a point version ago or so and gems ate memory like crazy
22:37<mrichman>i'll try gem update --system then
22:37-!-opello_ is now known as opello
22:37<tjfontaine>path-: not in person, some of the staff have met each other, but I live rather close to cleveland and could try it out and take a picture because of the name :)
22:39-!-encode_ is now known as encode
22:39<path->oh, i see :)
22:40<mrichman>caker: I am trying to update, but it just hangs at "Bulk updating Gem source index for:"
22:43<@caker>my guess is gems is eating memory and your machine is swap thrashing
22:43<@caker>what version of rubygems are you running?
22:43<@caker>... and, is it the latest version?
22:44<@caker>according to , 1.3.1 is latest
22:45<@caker>but I think it was 1.2.x that solved the memory-eating problem
22:47<@caker>gem -v should say...
22:48<mrichman>looks like i'm on 1.1.1 .. i'll try updating
22:50<libervisco>Ever since I started up on my linode my main hostname seems to be just "ubuntu", as my prompt is root@ubuntu, is there a way to change this without affecting all that's been set up?
22:50<path->man hostname
22:50<libervisco>I just generated a crt file for my mail server and it ended up showing "ubuntu" as it's name :S
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22:54<Pryon>Add an entry to /etc/hosts with your fully qualified domain name (FQDN) and then put your hostname in /etc/hostname then run 'hostname -F /etc/hostname'
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22:58<libervisco>thanks Pryon, also found this and bookmarked :)
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23:08<irgeek>Your hosts entry should look like 'x.x.x.x hostname' where x.x.x.x is your real IP.
23:10<libervisco>yeah, I just did x.x.x.x
23:11<path->you were able to buy
23:12<libervisco>no, :)
23:13<irgeek>Also, you only put the hostname part in /etc/hostname, not the domain part.
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23:14<libervisco>what the... the cert says it belongs to "ubuntu" again O_O
23:15<libervisco>maybe that's some thing...
23:16<irgeek>The kernel doesn't know about your updates.
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23:16<path->i created a cert from them and then forgot my password
23:17<libervisco>sysctl kernel.hostname says kernel.hostname =
23:18<@caker>one more glass of wine: cancel or allow?
23:18<libervisco>celebrate a new inquisitive customer :D
23:19<path->unless it's red, then you might regret it if N > 2
23:19<path->but that's me
23:19<libervisco>ah well, ubuntu or not.. the cert works..
23:19<irgeek>s/it's red/it's a crappy red/
23:19<libervisco>there are some warnings in the logs, but TLS works so my mail is more secure than ever I suppose.. and I'm also gonna set that matching RDNS :)
23:19<path->yea, probably
23:20<path->(about the wine)
23:20<path->you will get warnings from your client if the cert name doesn't match the hostname
23:20<@caker>Consuming said glass of wine and logging into your host: Cancel or Allow?
23:21*path- runs backup script
23:21<libervisco>path-, it does.. warnings are in the mail.log about not being able to get the cert from the file, but clearly it's still getting it or else it wouldn't work
23:21<libervisco>thunderbird is intercepting the cert and asking confirmation..
23:21<straterr1>Wait..I run Vista
23:21<straterr1>ALLOW! ALLOW!
23:22<irgeek>I've done some of my best admin work drunk.
23:22<path->libervisco: i think some thing is wrong
23:22<irgeek>libervisco: Or TLS isn't even being offered and whatever you're connecting with is falling back to no TLS.
23:22<libervisco>Why is it getting the certificate then?
23:23<irgeek>libervisco: If the CN of the cert doesn't match the hostname you're connecting to, Thunderbird will ask for confirmation every time you connect.
23:24<libervisco>not every time.. unless I add it as permanent.. hm
23:24<libervisco>here's from the logs:
23:25<irgeek>Even if you tell it to trust the cert.
23:25<path->or if you forget your password for cacert and let it expire and are too lazy to do anything about it
23:25*irgeek uses a 10 year self-signed cert.
23:25<path->i should just make a self signed one
23:25<path->maybe tomorrow
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23:26<path->does /etc/postfix/ssl/ exist?
23:26<libervisco>irgeek, it doesn't ask me again after I tell it to trust it
23:26<irgeek>libervisco: Adding the cert permanently will make the signature trusted, but the hostname mismatch will still be an error.
23:26<libervisco>path-, yes
23:27<libervisco>I wonder where it's coming from :S
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23:31<libervisco>it even says on "CommonName:"
23:32<path->then you need to use as the hostname
23:32<path->not necessarily on your linode, but in thunderbird
23:33<libervisco>I am
23:33<libervisco>just found a mispell in /etc/postfix/ tho
23:33<libervisco>.crt instead of .csr
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23:33<libervisco>that should take care of that one warning.. :)
23:35<libervisco>wtf.. did it again, even with "hostname" and kernel reporting it still says cert belongs to "ubuntu" :S
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23:39<irgeek>csr is a certificate signing request, not a certificate.
23:41<irgeek>libervisco: 1) Your hostname shouldn't be your domain. It should be a hostname. 2) Where are you seeing the certificate belongs to ubuntu?
23:41<libervisco>then there's something wrong with this guide..
23:42<libervisco>irgeek, in thunderbird when it asks me about it, "You have attempted to establish a connection with "". However the security certificate presented belongs to "ubuntu"."
23:43<irgeek>libervisco: Is that for fetching mail, or sending?
23:43<libervisco>and when pressing "view certificate" it says that common name is "ubuntu" as both "issued by" and "issued to"
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23:44<libervisco>I never wrote in "ubuntu" anywhere and hostname is no longer ubuntu so I've no idea where is it getting that..
23:44<irgeek>Postfix has nothing to do with fetching mail. That's you MDA configuration. POP3/IMAP server in other words.
23:44<libervisco>dovecot then..
23:45<irgeek>Ubuntu includes a facility to make self-signed certificates, based on your hostname. It did that before your changed the hostname.
23:45<libervisco>How to reset or change that?
23:46<irgeek>Which service do you want to configure first?
23:46<irgeek>libervisco: Which service do you want to start with? I'll walk you through the basics.
23:47<libervisco>well.. email; postfix and dovecot.. that's what I'm doing it for..
23:47<irgeek>Do you want to start with postfix or dovecot?
23:47<libervisco>oh, postfix
23:49<irgeek>First question: What is the name you tell Firefox to connect to send mail?
23:50<libervisco>I changed that from so I can also use it for RDNS (as you suggested earlier, to have them match)
23:50<irgeek>Ok. Step 1 in the guide is to create a CSR, which I assume you did. When asked for the Common Name, did you use
23:51<irgeek>Excellent. Then you took the CSR file and sent it to the certificate authority, right?
23:51<irgeek>And got a file back from them, right?
23:51<libervisco>yeah, it was a text to paste
23:51<libervisco>that jumbled thing :)
23:53<irgeek>Great. That's the actual signed certificate. There's also a key file which you created at the same time as the CSR. Put both of them into a directory. The "Ubuntu standard" place is in /etc/ssl/private
23:53<libervisco>oh, I put it in /etc/postfix/ssl/
23:53<libervisco>the key file was and csr was
23:53<irgeek>That's OK, but that certificate doesn't have to be postfix-specific.
23:53<libervisco>I see
23:54<libervisco>I can easily move them to /etc/ssl/private, sounds nicer :)
23:54<libervisco>anyway, I saved the final certificate as memenode-caroot.crt
23:54<irgeek>It'll make them easier to find later.
23:55<irgeek>Now, you need to put the key file and the certificate in there --you don't need the CSR though.
23:55<libervisco>I pasted this to the config (and changed locations accordingly)
23:55<libervisco>but there's probably something wrong there
23:56<irgeek>It doesn't matter, but I'd call it so you know which key goes with with cert.
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23:56<libervisco>right, makes sense
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23:57<irgeek>The first thing I see is that you're pointing at the CSR, not the certificate. They are not interchangeable.
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23:59<libervisco>yeah, that's the confused part on that guide.. I guess smtpd_tls_CAfile is then meaningless..
23:59<irgeek>Also, smtpd_tls_CAfile is not meant to be your signed certificate. That's how you specify the chain file for CAs that require them.
23:59<libervisco>ok, I fixed smtpd_tls_cert_file
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